Selfishness of human organism, permanent hapiness, pain

[mate6mty]

Happiness is a concept for Bliss. Bliss is a state you can stay in if you follow bliss ,you dont pursue BLISS

[MonacoRocha]

Happiness ?? What a strange fucking word.. Everybody has their own way of trying to get it.. Happiness is like a sexual orgasim. Doesn't last a long time , very brief moments then its gone/

[Parodys]

your heading "conversations on UG on human nature" is a mistatement in itself..no such thing as human nature,their is only human behaviour.

[Parodys]

your heading "conversations on UG on human nature is a mistatement in itself..no such thing as human nature,their is only human behaviour.

[blackwavy]

Selfishness is a vice but it favors you because people are confused and why should allow yourself to be humiliated by them. Myself is all I have in this world. When one lives in the light, they give just to give and think nothing of it but they don't lose themselves to it. When you are selfless, you help others and not help yourself because you are the most important, a small piece of the Creator. You have to hold part.

[bucketbotable]

ug is the einstein of understanding this body/ mind complex.

[deekaljin]

I've always been saying that happiness does not exist, and have always been subject of attach cuz of that. so i am glad I finally come across this video. good to know am not the only one.

[Enrique6299]

I finally understand Krisnamurti:

Happiness is what is happening.

[fictitiousarts]

yeah, _________________ was.

[khmerraps]

i used to think UG was full of shit but now that i think about it. after reading more from j.krishnamurti ... i can look at the two and take in what works and discard what does not. the funny thing is that when he says there's nothing to be gained, he's exactly right.

discern but do not discriminate.

[jpandyaraja]

actually your initial reaction is quite

right....both krishnamurtis are full of

shit.....brought together they created

super shit..!!!!

[Gregorian1112]

"discern but do not discriminate."

The best reply I've seen in youtube.

I think that there's nothing to be gained from J, but it's all the same

I have studied J and I do listen to his lectures from time to time.

[jcsi1958]

"discern but do not discriminate"

That´s wonderful.Thank You.

[superwhuffo1]

He tells it like it is....this man is telling the truth....everything from the intellect and everything that projects the supernatural or spiritual state is bullshit....for more truth check out videos by superwhuffo1 and wildmanthe1st

[lwouldliketoknow]

Im not sure what race or nationality this man is of, but it helps his believability, Id believe anything he said with an accent like that, he sounds wise and knollegable. :-)

[Gungfuwarrior]

U.G = awesome

[DiedLongTimeAgo]

What I am interested in is - How the hell this vid has only 420 views, when the other one posted by rb180269 at that same time has 12,399? "enlightenment"? Oh and these two idiots could easyly send themself messages... for Gods sake...

[unparlor]

So, don't trust people or governments that tell you that you should be selfless and altruistic. They want your (natural) power.

[yadsik]

Is your statement sarcastic? If so, a government that wants you to be selfless and altruistic is still not to be trusted, all desires are brought on by thoughts, a govenment that desires is mortal, trust only the immortal conciousness inside yourself, the selflessness doesn't come from commands of others but from ones self.

[unparlor]

No, I mean this. Besides, don't trust your immortal conciousness, i.e. just thoughts. Selflessness does not exist.

[yadsik]

Not thoughts, do not trust your thoughts, they come from your brain, your brain is physical and dual it is an illusion, it will give you delusional answers but the truth comes only from your conciousness, maybe you are confused, Conciousness is interchangable with soul, understand?

[unparlor]

Maybe you are confused. There is no soul. What you interpret as conciousness is your thought. Everything you recognize and interpret you do through the knowledge you have about it, through thinking. There is no truth and if there is you cannot know and understand it. Your thoughts/brain is the only instrument you have and there is nothing beyond 'mind'.

[yadsik]

People have argued about conciousness for millenia, I do not know where you are comming from so it is hard to tell you what I mean, Consciousness is a quality of the mind generally regarded to comprise qualities such as subjectivity, self-awareness, sentience, sapience, and the ability to perceive the relationship between oneself and one's environment projected onto your atman.

[yadsik]

Atman is an essence of things that does not depend on others; it is an intrinsic nature. The non-existence of that is selflessness". Atman literally means "self", but is sometimes translated as "soul" or "ego" for those who do not comprehend the concept, if you already know I am sorry for the patronization.

[unparlor]

it's obvious that you didn't listen to and/or understand U.G.

[yadsik]

My subjects carry much further out than what UG was talking about however they stem from a relevent point.

[unparlor]

You can fool and falsify yourself and others, but not me.

[yadsik]

Can you just stop responding? If you are going to say I am false, give evidence.

[unparlor]

Why should I? Enjoy your search for the 'truth'...

[unparlor]

The evidence that the 'atman' exist is yours to give.

[yadsik]

I experince the feeling of being, therefore the atman is being projected onto.

[unparlor]

Please give evidence, no mention of some fancy feelings.

[yadsik]

Consciousness does not arise from matter but is a symptom of the soul, which is an irreducible element of reality.

[unparlor]

You are only repeating what you read or heard. Where is the evidence that a soul exist? Where is the evidence that consciousness exist? You have only your memory of what someone else told you or wrote in a book. What the life force really is you can never know/experience.

[yadsik]

Where is evidence that you are not alive? You are asking me to proove somthing that I live in each day, like asking a fish to give evidence of the water he swims in. If you want documented evidence go to papers on NDEs.

[unparlor]

You are fooling yourself. That's fine with me.

Just like God is irrelevant, the soul, which does not exist or even if it does, is irrelevant, if I am alive or not is irrelevant.

As long as you live in a fantasy/illusion and in hope and want to reach a goal (i.e. a desire) and want to bring about a change (of yourself or the world) the life force/energy, which you cannot understand and experience, cannot operate in you. That is the only thing that is relevant.

[yadsik]

Your problem is that you think the whole world revolves around your ideas, you think of an idea and stick with it, try not thinking, only when you look at the world as a newborn baby will you understand what it realy means.

[unparlor]

A newborn baby does not see anything (does not know what it is looking at)

Live in your own fantasies and enjoy it.

[yadsik]

Exactly.

[unparlor]

And you can never go back to that state (of a newborn baby) as you are constantly translating and interpreting (and keeping your thoughts going).

[yadsik]

Thoughts are the root of ignorance and ignorance is the root of all evil. The practice of becoming like a newborn baby is simply training thoughts to end and instead let wisdom replace it. You make nice arguments but please stop using absolutes, they shackle you.

[unparlor]

How do you know that you are a newborn baby?

[yadsik]

I didn't say become a newborn baby is said, "only when you look at the world as a newborn baby."

[unparlor]

How do you know how a newborn baby looks?

How do you know that you look at the world as a newborn baby?

What is wisdom?

Why do you want this and what will you do with it?

[yadsik]

We know how a newborn baby looks because we know that a new born baby does not judge. You will know that you look at the world as a newborn baby when it happens, you will just know what it feels like, it may even be painfull (Recounting UG's transformation in London). Wisdom is knowledge of what is true or right coupled with just judgment as to action, when you can look at the world with no judgement you will be wise.

[yadsik]

The goal of wisdom is at the end of all of man's desires, when a man realises that duality is not the answer he will seek knowledge and then upon realisation that that doesn't answer his question he will seek wisdom.

[unparlor]

Your so called wisdom is a human concept which has nothing to do with the life force which cannot be known.

Maybe you will some day find out that whatever you do and desire in order to find your 'wisdom' will prevent and block the life force to operate in a natural way in your life so you would flower into something which is unique and extraordinary.

Maybe some day. All the best.

[yadsik]

Wisdom is not a human concept, for it does not come from our knowledge but from the true view of nature. I have no idea what this life force you are talking about is, so please explain.

[unparlor]

There is only energy / life force.

All those terms like higher energy, wisdom, love, god, sefirot (tree of life), magickal energies, enlightenment, moksha / freedom, transformation, physics (understanding), etc are human interpretations, human concepts, descriptions, BUT they are not the real thing. All there is is energy and this cannot be described, or understood. You cannot say anything about it.

So all those terms are fantasies and thought induced illusions, which is the matrix.

[unparlor]

As long as you want to get and desire wisdom, love, enlightenment, etc. as long as you are searching for wisdom (which is a desire to be wise and is the same as a desire for material goods) you are living in an illusion, the matrix. This is all induced by thought, through desire. Thought is really the enemy and it is impossible to get rid of it with the help of thought.

And the real thing, the energy, is blocked by it to bring you in a natural state and you stay in the illusion, the matrix.

[unparlor]

Energy is all there is. It is there already, there is nothing to get, there is nothing to do.

[yadsik]

I understand what you are saying, in order to get wisdom love and enlightenment you must stop desiring. I have heard this before, this is Buddhist teachings (Yes I know Buddhist is a label). I am a buddhist and this is the same as my beliefs, you must stop wanting and just 'be', do you concur, YES/NO?

[unparlor]

It is impossible to stop wanting and desiring.

Why do you want to stop wanting? Wanting to stop wanting is wanting.

[unparlor]

First of all wisdom, love, enlightenment, etc do not exist.

Second, wanting to get wisdom, love and enlightenment, etc is a desire and wanting.

[yadsik]

You do not want to stop, thats the trick, you simply observe your desirable thoughts and allow them to pass, by doing this you are training yourself to see these thoughts as useless and and they are simply discarded. Enlightenment is simply awakening to the truth, UG's Calamity is his transformation, afterwards he was awakened and spoke complete wisdom.

[unparlor]

You don't have to observe or do anything. Otherwise there is always your goal in your mind, a desire for the 'truth'. Desire has to burn itself up without your doing something. There is nothing to get, nothing to be changed, nothing to be transformed, nothing to be free from.

[yadsik]

You are hypocritical,you insist on typing messages.OH typing is not the truth well youll be trapped in the matrix forever NO!Well I suppose the only thing to do is just lie on the floor and stop doing everything,no breathing that's not real, no living because it's not real,lets just lie on the floor and rot to death. The Buddha explored your path, he found that there is nothing to be gained from it, I know plenty of enlightened beings who started by following Buddha, but none who follow UG.

[unparlor]

All those so called 'enlightened' people can fool themselves and you, but you won't get anywhere or anything except perhaps some fancy feelings. In the meantime you live in hope that something will happen.

It is so difficult apparently to accept that you don't have to do a thing and cannot do a thing. Only if you really realize that you realize that you just live.

[unparlor]

Not doing something in order to obtain something is the same as doing something. You see, when you realize that there is nothing to get whether by doing something or not doing something, your realize that there is no way out. You don't have and cannot change something or yourself. So the only thing that's left is that you live. That's it. Nothing to change nothing to gain.

[yadsik]

I have had many Kenshos in my life time that have enlightened me. There is scientific evidence that Meditation can produce happiness that never ends, if you want to believe what some other guy says then do so, but you are doing just what UG didn't want you to do, listening to him. UG obviously shows human emotions and is clealy jealous of those who he cannot be like, sure he speaks alot of truth but if what you say is what he believes then he is still a pṛthagjana and so are you.

[unparlor]

Very good of you that you are blasting UG.

One last quote from him

You have to brush everything aside to find out. Your problem is not how to get something from somebody, but how to reject everything that is offered by anybody.

[yadsik]

Why do you still quote UG if you insist on me rejecting everything offered by anybody UG included. Where I come from we have a word for people who do that.

[unparlor]

I don't insist on you to reject everything. Do what you like.

The difference is that you are still in the middle of a search.

You believe that by doing something like meditation, observing your thoughts and other things you can get something like wisdom or permanent happiness. You will always be dependent on other persons to tell you (by reading books or listening to them) what to do.

[unparlor]

I am at the end of the search. I did almost everything you can think of, christianity, judaism, kabbalah, meditation, shamanism, magick, gurdjieff, mouravieff, etc.

[unparlor]

I found out myself that there is nothing to it all, except for fancy feelings.

I now know that the energy (life force) cannot be interpreted or understood and that you don't and can't do a thing to get something which is not there.

I have tremendous faith in the energy that it will sort it out and just live. The thought process si slowing down and life becomes easy and simple. That's enough for me.

[yadsik]

1. Actually I meditate based on my own experience, influenced by the Buddha when he asked us not to go by other's words but only your own.

[yadsik]

Actually I meditate based on my own experience, influenced by the Buddha when he asked us not to go by other's words but only your own. "Come, Kalamas. Don't go by reports, by legend, by traditions, by scripture, by logical conjecture, by inference, by analogies, by consistency with your own laws, by probability, or by the thought, 'This contemplative is our teacher.' When you know for yourselves that 'these mental qualities are unskillful;

[yadsik]

these mental qualities are blameworthy; these mental qualities are criticized by the wise; these mental qualities when acted on lead to harm and suffering' then abandon them. When you know for yourselves that 'these mental qualities are skillful; these mental qualities are blameless; these mental qualities are praised by the wise; these mental qualities when acted on lead to well-being and happiness' then keep following them."

[unparlor]

Good luck!

[dylanskriloff]

you repeat UG's words, almost word for word, as if he is speaking through you. This hardly seems like a good sin. Especially in context that you write "you are only repeating what you read or heard."

[unparlor]

That was long ago.

[dylanskriloff]

you are repeating UG's thoughts and getting a thought-based electrical/sexual charge from doing so...meanwhile saying "thought is the enemy".

[unparlor]

That is nonsense

[luckylangerie]

you are dancing on the tip of a daisy wearing yellow pantaloons and teasing dragonflies.