Kevin and Alex talk about Diggdown fiasco on Cranky Geeks

[JenPirante]

I completely forgot that Revision3 used to charge. Wow. I didn't care about that since I didn't get to watch my podcasts until the weekend anyway. But wow. Memories.

[highlander2107]

I remember watching this episode back in 2007.

THUMBS UP if you want to see Kevin and Alex on CrankyGeeks again!!!

[stvh1]

Cheap Mother Fuckers ! And the guy from LA go back to LA !

[vacationboyvideos]

Kevin Rose is hot

[ninjai1984]

John C Dvorak is awesome, he always gives people a hard time, but it's all in good fun.

[bigDtex79]

that last comment by the commentator was really uncalled for....."i don't believe a word of it....whatever", WTF dude!

[mvandeven]

the fact you referred to him as "the commentator" means you aren't familiar with john dvorak or his shtick. you should perhaps look into what it is that he does and how he does it. it's his way of having fun with people.

[jnscollier]

That commentator is a dick.

[qpzy]

krose is very smart.

[MeBeMat]

I remember this time, suddenly diggnation started coming out a few days earlier, why should people be so bummed about this when technically they're getting for free what used to be charged for and Rev3 instead take the cost of no membership charging to get potential revenue from the advertisers.

This is why i love Rev3 over normal tv channels, they actually take into account the viewer

[uggf]

Dvorak is a douche, he did not give them time to answer. An his finale comment "I don't believe a word of it." is ignorant, because in the end they made the right decision and give it for free to everybody.

[svinballekrok]

That old dude can't talk and he's a fucking twat. Cranky old man, just go to bed and be quiet..

[caviconpoder]

clearly you don't know who Dvorak is...

[AbelNOON]

lol dvorak is legend piss off u haters...

[scorpio209]

old mans a douche

[JimmyJamJack]

John Dvorak (the host) is doing his job as a journalist. I think it's VERY legitimate to ask about the seeming hypocrisy. I think Kevin and Alex are great innovators, idea guys, too. What's the difference between them complaining about lost revenue and Bill Gates back in the 70s when people were making copies of the paper-tape that his Altair Basic was on? And we know where Gates ended up. Dvorak can be an asshole, but not this time.

[ltsAboutJesus]

The host is just an asshole. Their explanation is clear and frankly fair. They could be assholes about the revenue loss and sue the shit outta that guy pirating but they just want him to stop unless he could provide the stats that sponsors pay big bucks for. Fuck that old host. Hes not half as incoherant as he acts.

[bl4xb0x1]

They are actually old friends, man. Dvorak is actually among the old honorguard from the TechTV days. Just to let you know.

[ltsAboutJesus]

friends you get along with or friends you actually like? Anyways thanks for that info. I love Kevin. He's a genius.

[vahnx1337]

Well the show is now free like Kevin said.

[CanuckProductions]

The reason they got pissed at Diggdown was that Diggdown didn't share the viewer information (how many DLs), so they couldn't show those viewer numbers to sponsors. Mirrornation does the same thing, except they send the download information to Rev3, so it's all cool.

[BIZZ3LL]

Seems a bit hypocritical of them to say "They support pirating, just not our stuff." Seems like when it's their money, it's totally different.

[kronos6948]

Well, now it's free all the time. You don't have to be a subscriber to get Diggnation as soon as it comes out. As far as I can tell from what they're saying though, they had no problem with other people hosting the video, just don't make money off of it.

[Dr0rpheus]

Thing is, I don't think DiggDown was making money off it, were they? They didn't have contracts with Digg's advertisers, right? The big hoopla was because DiggDown was getting video content and not reporting numbers, thereby keeping Rev3 from making money for those content downloads.

The Creative Commons license is exactly the reason why we can get clips of Digg on YouTube with no problem, so I think Dvorac kinda missed the point, as usual.

[boobyman]

Even if they're in on it for the money it really doesn't matter. They quit doing tv because of - podcasts. "limitless ideas", and for free. I don't think Kevin and Alex will allow Rev3 to turn diggnation into a "pay per view" kind of deal.

[RevRoach]

They have adds now to pay for all the biz sh*t so I see no reason (unless I wanna help out) to give them any money at any time.

They started free, they added the advertizers to make money, they got their money, I should still be able to get them under the plan at the start.

Whats next, just do it for money, be a turn-coat to the ways of the net.

information need to be free.

[vahnx1337]

I download it from Mirrornation. I'm not paying to have it a few days early. I want it when it comes out.

[Errornix]

The host is a dumb-dumb.

[takua108]

Dvorak FTW.

[pjx]

i don't mind paying a little bit of money to rev3 to keep the show going and help out. it's pointless for people to complain when they get it free a couple days later.

[Pachuco88]

Jeez, why does it matter if you pay to get it two days early? Let them make some money then we can keep getting it.

[phoneunlisted]

also, cocks

[mrjole]

Two cheap gypsies! Just watch the video again. Kevin contradicts him self.

First he said" we have people who pay to get Diggnation early" and later he claims "only way they get paid is to get the viewer numbers to marketers".

What is it now? The money people pay to get it early is not good enough to be counted as revenue?

[arch3type]

What Kevin wants us to do, is at some point during the week, watch a stream from Revision 3. You can download it early and not pay for it, wait for it to be public on Revision 3, and then watch it there to boost their numbers and help them. There is NOTHING wrong with that

[richiestang78]

The show is free, who cares wait two extra day and you got it. Rev3 is a business and must make money to continue, bandwidth doesn't grow on trees guys.

[Glugory]

Yes, ignore the fact that they acknowledge that their ad revenue pays for this now. They don't NEED the money from us anymore. They're doing fine without it.

[richiestang78]

Your a dumbass, the whole point is that when you download the show from somewhere else they lose download counts and in turn lose ads and in turn lose money. RedvsBlue does the same thing with the people that pay along with a dozen other podcast/internet shows.

[Glugory]

If they offered it to everyone on the same day then they wouldn't have the problem of people downloading from somewhere else. They're doing it to themselves you twat.

[Carnage85]

whats the problem of waiting some days to get it free..?!

[fishfishstinkx]

mirrornation bitches

[TonyK4]

What does any of this matter. As long as I can see Diggnation on a weekly basis i'm happy

[mrjole]

Cheap skates. Just like the "don't send us beer send us money" stunt. I say "Yeah Right

[Carnage85]

no one forces you to do it....

[mrjole]

Fakers. It is all about money. They could care less for the numbers.

They should just admit it.

[mpeirson]

Rev3, themselves, are violating the creative commons license, btw.

[christoscamaro]

Watch the first 7 episodes of diggnation. Alex has pirate stickers on his laptop, and Kevin admits to downloading a video that wasn't even in theaters yet. (or dvd)

I can totally understand what they are saying re: statistics here though. So cut out the 'middle man'. Gimme diggnation video on saturday, for free. also pimp beerfordiggnation more than you currently do.

Nice office btw.

[fredhh232]

before diggdown went down, the guy running it said in its forums that he was working on a script to report those numbers to revision's system. I don't know if that was true or not.

[420am]

Why not ask diggdown to report the downloads from their site so Rev3 can add those to their reports? Bullshit.

[Glugory]

At one point I read something that Jay Adelson said about this. Apparently they didn't report the numbers to them in "the right way" or some shit. I guess part of it is that they can't verify the numbers themselves, thus advertisers don't accept them and yadda yadda yadda.

[Ashkc88]

Digg/Diggnation fans just don't understand business, 'nuff said.

[azarate418]

They should fix the camera angles. You don't really understand that kevin is to the right of alex because of the angle of hte camera. should have a wide shot.

just an opinion.

[bs0l]

I thought the guy from Diggdown didn't make money at all for it? He just took donations to stay running?

[Glugory]

This is true. This also just goes to show that Kevin doesn't really understand what is going on. Which is fucked since it heavily concerns his show!

[Ashkc88]

Well, Diggnations "took donations" to give it early.

[bs0l]

They're not really donations at all, you are paying for a service that you download weekly a couple days early. It's a charge pretty much.

[le0pardomgwtfbbq]

I'm glad Dvorak called them out on it. However, I'll believe it when I see it happen..