Andrea Tantaros pwned Taylor West on Fox and Friends

[Zhiloreznik]

Statistics abuse as usual :)

[Nixmix24]

Notice how Taylor couldn't back up a single talking point she was trying to force through... Why am I not surprised...

[funk7000]

Tantaros ended up being correct.

[apollo13jim]

Andrea is a real American.

[hoserPhalanx]

God I love Andrea

[buttflosshaha456]

That bitch on the right (not Andrea) is just trying to make the insurance companies look like something they're not, Andrea is just giving REAL statistics. You would have to be stupid to believe the wrong person.

[RapsAlive]

I don't know why West is smiling- she embarrassed herself.

[jargainjones]

andrea, I would marry her without knowing her. Got damn shes smart and yumzers. lol.

[bush1tman]

75% of families want a public option? I think they want free health care and do not realize they will be forced to buy it. Or they will be forced into permanent poverty to get Fed subsidies for their healthcare. As soon as republicans take over the congress again they must reverse everything on healthcare democrats do or get rid of them and get new people in until it's done.

[eirefrance]

Well, the poll numbers on the public option depends on how the question is posed. But, hey, its more fun to pretend the insurance companies are doing a great job than facing a real issue. Yeeeee-hah!!!!

[deadcrow]

The healthcare system is broken because of government interference in the guise of regulation. More government interference is not the solution. Demonizing the insurance industry is not the solution.

If Congress was to use its power to regulate interstate commerce, and remove the state restrictions on interstate insurance commerce, then we would all have over 1700 insurance companies to choose from. Competition and Choice without socializing the health care system. What a concept!

[eirefrance]

Have you ever read about the history of monopolies and trusts in the US vs. Europe?

[deadcrow]

What does 'monopolies' have to do with a public option discussion? Oh yeah, the public option is the Ultimate Monopoly. Especially if it is designed intentionally to get rid of private insurance companies, like the bills going through congress are designed.

Not to mention that this is all unconstitutional. The federal government does not have the power to create, take over, or insure a health care system. If you can find it in the Constitution, please provide the link.

[eirefrance]

You done thumping your chest? I just want to know if you've read anything about the history of monopolies. I assume you aren't in favor of monopolies, right?

[deadcrow]

@eirefrance Especially not Government created monopolies. You will not win any argument here forwarding some anti free-market, pro big government idiocy. Big government is the ultimate monopoly. Monopolies are usually bad, and should be regulated at least, if allowed at all. Including Government monopolies.

Have you read the Constitution? Where in it do you find the authority to create a public option?

[eirefrance]

You aren't gouing to win any argument by telling me what I'm going to say. So shut the fuck up with your preaching and answer one goddamn question: Have you read about monopoly history?

[deadcrow]

@eirefrance I thought it was clear from my discussion of monopolies, that I am familiar with them. But, if you would rather dwell on that, then I guess I must be direct to shut you up about this.

Yes, I have read about monopolies and other government messes in school and in my own studies over the years.

[eirefrance]

Can you answer a question without loading the damn language? "And other government messes"? Seriously? You had to add that, I assume, to make sure the other believers don't question your commitment to the cause? You wouldn't want anyone to assume you're thinking for yourself, or what? Anyway, now that thats out of the way, did you ever read about why monopolies and trusts appeared in the US in the early 20th century while waiting till the late 50s to appear in Europe?

[deadcrow]

@eirefrance Are you done counter preaching, and pontificating about nothing so that you can maybe get to your point. Please, tell us your wisdom about monopolies, without asking me at every half point if I'm following.

[deadcrow]

@eirefrance AFAIK monopolies have been with us throughout all of history. And America specifically, was dealing with them in the 19th century, and Europe and China even before that. So, if you have a link to writings that back up your assertion that monopolies "wait[ed] till the late 50s to appear in Europe", that would be great.

[eirefrance]

Ok, you're right, I was too broad there. I'll limit it there to attempts to respond to monopolies. Such as the Sherman and Clayton Anti-Trust Acts, and Article 85 of the Treaty of Rome. Now the Sherman Act was passed in 1890 and Article 85 (or 81) was passed in 1957. They essentially cover the same thing (covert attempts to fight competition through collusion and price-fixing), but are separated by 70 years.

[eirefrance]

I got tipped to this fact from the book "Playbooks & Checkbooks" by Stefan Syzmanski, but thought it was an interesting fact and researched it a bit more myself. What Syzmanski (an economist) says is that while the US and Europe are essentially the same in that both are a series of small state entities (nations or states), the US state system meant that interstate trade was far less regulated than the protectionism found in European nations.

[eirefrance]

European protectionism meant that monopolies like Standard Oil could not form there, while in the US, a freer market facilitated the formation of cartels, monopolies and trusts. So, my whole reason in bringing this up is that monopolies, historically, form when the govt leaves the businesses alone to collude among themselves. Yeah, it doesn't connect directly to health insurance. I'm just smacking down on some fundamentalist libertarianism.

[eirefrance]

Oh, and you might want to read what Marxists have to say about Monopoly Capitalism. You might find yourself (GASP!!!!!!) agreeing with a dirty Marxist swine. Oh, the world, its so complicated, no matter how hard we try to label and pigeon-hole it.

[deadcrow]

@eirefrance You have missed a few key points about monopolies. Monopolies form because of overt and/or covert government action. It is Government regulation, tariffs, etc that create the environment that allow the formation of a monopoly. This is not entirely avoidable, so regulations must also arise to control or remove these monopolies.

[eirefrance]

Well, monopolies can also form in restricted markets. Your house only has one set of water pipes running to it. The owner of those pipes has a monopoly on your water sales. Its not economically, and often physically, feasible for a different set of pipes to run to your house. Or, the necessary capital to enter the market may limit who can enter (see hurricane insurance) forming an effective monopoly.

[deadcrow]

Yes, that's called natural monopoly, which is what I meant when I said that monopolies are "not entirely avoidable, so regulations must also arise to control or remove these monopolies."

[deadcrow]

@eirefrance

Marx 's view of capitalist monopolies was incomplete, and did not allow for the cause/effect relationship between government and the formation of a private monopoly. Further, his theories about public monopolies superiority was proven wrong when the USSR collapsed.

A monopoly is bad whether private or public. At least private monopolies can be taken to court, and broken up if necessary.

[eirefrance]

Well, Marx's view of capitalist monopolies assumed that any state system would ultimately have to be destroyed. Which is why true communism is post-state, something people forget when they quote the dictionary definition of communism.

[deadcrow]

All this to admit that monopolies are bad, and that even government intentionally created monopolies must and will fail.

There is no such thing as true communism if your group is much larger than 15 or 20 people. Even then, it is prohibitively difficult to completely prevent your group from ever forming a leader. Beyond 15 or 20 people though, you will find it impossible to prevent leadership roles from occurring, out of necessity. Thus ends the much lauded "true communism".

[deadcrow]

But really, what was your point? All you have done, while quoting Marx, is seem to prove that socialization through government monopoly is neither desired nor actually achievable.

[deadcrow]

@eirefrance So, to bring this back to health care. The states have been allowed through the inaction of the federal government to create effective state-wide monopolies. The fed has the power to end this, and provide us with competition, through the interstate commerce clause .

But instead, the federal governments solution is a public monopoly. This is both the wrong solution, and unconstitutional.

Another bigger scarier monopoly is NOT the solution

[deadcrow]

@eirefrance What does "monopolies" have to do with the 1700 insurance companies that are not allowed to operate in another state. Other than the fact that the governments bad regulation has caused effective local monopolies.

[DeepSpaceFunk9]

what an ugly DETESTABLE CUNT that

tantaros is & i'm talking about her aurra..

this BITCH makes my skin crawl !!!!

[deadcrow]

I was tempted to remove this comment, since it so directly offensive, But I wanted others to see the quality and class of the opposition

[deadcrow]

LOL. DeepThroatFunk9 replied, then thought better of it, and removed his reply. But I thought you should see it anyway. Here is his comment, as sent to my email:

Ohh i STAND by my words..

you repubs are the new COMMIES !!!

you give a damn about this country !

since your criminals got booted out of power !

[sca719]

Taylor West is a crazy liberal that made no sense.

[IdiotsForObamaCom]

you can always tell who the bimbo democrat is in these debates...it's so obviousl

idiots4obama com

[deadcrow]

Dan, why did you remove your comment? I saw it in my email from YouTube, and thought it was good. Sorry for the lip sync problems, but Andrea still pwns Taylor, even if her lips aren't synced

[Poole1Dan]

I removed it cause I confused Taylor West, the woman who Andrea powned, with Taylor Battle, who is a star basketball player for the penn state nittney lions. See, I'm a sports junkie, and sometimes I get peoples names messed up and say the wrong thing. Its a really bad habit that I'm trying to snap. /:

But anyways, yes, Tantaros still powned West even though the video was out of sync, which is no big deal seeing as alot of videos on youtube are out of sync.