I just get so annoyed with people trying to ignore everything just because it may make their lives a little harder. But some people refuse to accept anything. Give them a soap opera on the tele and theyll be happy, but give them fact and evidence and their brains shut down.
Fantastic. This is proper comedy genius. Intelligence is not always shown from comedians but this video is proof that not everyone in the world is completely stupid. And for anyone still doubting the existence of climate change, i have just one thing to say to you. Open your eyes! The entire planet is changing and the evidence is incontrivertable. Yet you still insist that the scientists are all lying. So the ice caps are just magically dissappearing, are the? No.
@DeathlyHall0ws7 You nailed it! For the idiots who keep saying scientists are lying about climate change.....maybe you should go explain to Aussies on the east coast and people in and around Bangkok why it's raining when it's not supposed to.
@rayme07 A couple of direct quotes from you "Global warming isn't happening, whatever the scientists say". This is blatant ignorance of well respected, peer reviewed scientists who have been able to secure more funding because all the evidence points to them being correct. I believe this is called "the arsene venger method". Ignoring video evidence and all possible ways of telling what is happening in order to stick to what you think makes you feel cozy.
Also check out The Juice Media Rap news; Al Gore finally accepts Lord Monckton's challenge to a highly uncivilized debate over the issue of anthropogenic climate change, as we count down to the Copenhagen Climate Conference - aka COP15 - in a special extended edition of ~RapNews, .
RAYME07- It is reason enough to not listen to your poorly informed opinions when one spells Greenhouse Effect as AFFECT. In any event, this is not a topic of opinion but rather science and fact regardless of political affiliation, religious belief or strata in life.
Why on earth would any scientist or politician want to be taken in by some crazy wrong idea that implies MASSIVE change, huge cost, lifestyle changes that will inconvenience most of the electorate, and shows them up to have failed and still be failing in their duty to act in our best interests, unless there was overwhelming evidence for it being true? I can't imagine anything more politically ridiculous. Here's another you may like: try putting "Brigstocke Climate Swindle" in your search bar :-)
The temperature of the earth has not risen ,in fact it has gone down, in the last 8 years. I do not want the Earth to be damaged for my children and grandchildren. Show me Pure Science in the pursuit of the answer to this question, not Political Science trying to prop up a half truth.
Perhaps climate change is a half-truth, but it is something I wouldn't want to gamble on. I have children. I want a guarantee from the powers that be that destructive climate change is not going to happen as a consequence of human irresponsibility. And I think that is perfectly reasonable.
This is great! tw2org Data can be interpreted many ways, CO2 is vital to plant Photosynthesis! How many ways can you interpret using "phony or Altered data" to fit a predetermined political agenda! It's time to take the emotion/fanaticism out of science and get back to basics. Politics Emotion/Religion and science were never meant to walk hand in hand.
CO2 is up 38% from its pre-industrial norm and rising another 1% each year and a half. The issue: Is fossil fuel energy safe? In other words, will the planet be healthy no matter how high CO2 rises? To 50%? 80%? 100% higher than the pre-industrial norm? None of you skeptics have proven the safety of fossil fuel energy; if we follow your advice and you're wrong, the results are catastrophic. What you ask of the world is a gamble, an irreversible and possibly calamitous gamble. Not cool.
I know it's irresistible, but if you pile into the climate change is / isn't happening argument on here - or if you're choosing to announce your research in the comments section of a comedy sketch - then you'll probably look a bit silly. :-)
I kinda agree, but the majority of informed scientists have been too quiet in confront climate change deniers, so it's important to try to correct their erroneous assertions wherever you find them. Not because we think they'll care about scientific reality more than the latest misinformation from Beck, Limbaugh, Inofe, etc., but because others who are truly on the fence may be paying attention.
(part three)....I do believe however, that we will run out of resources such as food and water well before humans have to worry about extinction. Oh, and the earth is billions of yrs old no 1000s and its never experienced anything like the curse of the ignorant, greedy and self-centred human race!
There is no way in heck we will run out of resources there is too many people going green and too many conservation parties out there helping keep those resources fresh and ongoing. The human race has a heart we aren't some demolition group ready to kill everything. So how do you feel about calling yourself ignorant, greedy and self-centered.
You are either naive or stupid. All the science points to the human race being destructive re climate. The human race is a greedy, warmongering and irresponsible race. The human race has overshot. The human race has followed a certain road to where selfishness rules, and you are ridiculed if you try to advocate equality.
Well apparently the human race is trying to change. There are many people going green or recycling you just have to look. With that happening I do not see global warming happening. There are storms throwing snow like crazy that is not global warming and certainly global warming did not cause it no matter what the scientist say. The only thing is we need to get other countries to go green. But it shouldn't be taxed right out of our pockets in a recession.
We know the processes are ongoing, but we continue, as in Copenhagen, to ignore the signs. It is straightforward, but maybe I mistook 'feel' for 'think'.
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Its ok apology accepted I know how people including myself get when it involves politics and such. Have you ever realized that when they show the decline of ice- shelves its in the summer months when they are supposed to decline and when it turns winter they stop it is quite interesting really using hot summer months to show it. Once it turns winter it stops.
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Continued: And again the greenhouse affect I have not seen other than in china which can be fixed. Everything else I have looked at and know for a fact humans are trying to save those animals using conservation and such. The destruction of rain forest again the countries need to be tought to replant. I see it this way global warming is not as bad as they say and will more than likely never get that way. People are already changing thus no global warming that is my perspective. Have a good day.
(part two)....Climate change WILL alter all ecosystem processes. after the ocean has heated past a certain point, the great ocean conveyor belt (which drives all processes, from wind to rain to biological productivity) will stop and the planet will go into an ice age.
Ice age hmmm sound familiar. much like we are having now its called winter. The earth is going through a cycle. You will see. But hay I am not stopping you from believing what Al gore brainwashed you into thinking. Its your life. And its mine so I am believing there is a cycle.
You carry on believing that. Beliefs are different from knowledge based on fact. Do you want to gamble with climate change, or is your 'belief' based on scientific fact? Al Gore has not brainwashed me into anything. I repeat: are you prepared to accept that destructive climate change is possible? If not, I'd like to hear why. If so, your attitude is utterly irresponsible.
I certainly would like to gamble with it. But it does not mean that I cant go green by myself why do we have to have government telling us to go green and taxing us poor in this recession. I take care of the environment but nothing is going to change my mind about global warming.
There are a lot people dedicated to the stance that 'nothing is going change my mind'. It'd hardly be sensible to expect them to gain much depth or perspective with regard to something that's not right under their nose. If you don't see global warming, you see snow, then that's probably you. If you're interested, you might explore the difference between weather and climate, to start with. (Or ignore those with a better understanding than you and lobby for the right to believe what you like.)
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I do not see how climate and weather are different. For the climate to change so does the weather. Just like Al gore and his followers say, Climate change = warmer weather meaning they both tie into each other. The reason why I believe what I do is because I have studied it and believe the scientist have falsified climate change.
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What makes your understanding better than mine what makes you so sure that climate change is really happening. I don't see tapes showing ice melting but I do see ice/snow falling here in the US and in the poles. Its freezing again because its winter. Just watch this next summer they will be back at it again saying the ice is melting even though it is supposed too during that time. I hope you have a good day.
I wasn't referring to myself - I think it's generally a good idea to look to the thousands of people who've (a) achieved the very rigorous standards necessary to get into this area of research and (b) devoted decades of their lives to investigating climate from every possible angle. Collectively, they have massively more experience and understanding than you or me. If you want to believe they're all frauds and that you know better, that's up to you, but you're really missing out. Keep studying.
There's plenty of photographic evidence of long term ice melting at the poles and greenland. One of the biggest concerns is that long term ice is melting, which has been around for decades or more, but is now melting every summer. The overall average ice cover is also reducing, leading to knock on effects such as decreased reflectivity and of course increasing sea levels. Global warming means average increase in temp, not increase everywhere all the time. Also more extreme weather patterns.
Consider the difference between sleep and persistent vegetative state for decades. Or between having no water for a day and having no access to water. Or between throwing a six a couple of times and using a dice that always roll six. There's more to the difference than duration.
All I read from nasa was that climate is data taken from a region and the weather of that region over a period of years. All in All it still has to do with weather, like how much rain that region got or how dry it was. The key word is region meaning they arn't taking data of the climate from a global scale. In my eyes there is not that big a difference in from climate to weather. That's just me.
@rayme07 Here's a video that might make clear why the fact that you had a cold winter doesn't disagree with climate change, if you're still wondering.
@rayme07 Weather is local, climate is global. If you're at a casino and you lose 5000 dollars on 25 different slot machines, and I observe you winning 25 dollars on one particular slot machine, it would be ridiculous for me to say that proves you were having a winning night.
@romeosevendelta I mean, hell, their names are practically the same in that their both suggesting we can combat some vague aspect of the world. But if you think you can influence an entire planet, go right ahead and try. But, i guarantee you, you'll be sorely disappointed.
OK whoever the hell posted this comment obviously knows NOTHING about the ecosystem processes on which the existence of this planet relies.Global warming IS happening, Just because our generation may not experience the end of the human race doesn't mean that it isn't happening! how many species, habitats and systems have already been destroyed by humans? the world can't handle "anything we throw at it"- it is not an endless resource.....tbc
Cycling is happening. How many species, habitats and systems have been saved due to us humans and our CONSERVATION groups that helped this earth. And with that said if we can make endless resource the earth can handle anything we throw at it.
Yes you can. As long as you regrow, replant, repopulate and control what is being taken out of the environment you can have endless resources. Why do you think when loggers go out into the forest and chop down trees they replant a tree for everyone they take down. To keep the forest healthy and in about 10 to 15 years or longer they can go out and re harvest.
No I am saying here in the US and if we take that accomplishment to brazil and indonesia and teach them conservation then maybe they can keep their resources.
Yes I think so, for every tree taken out there has to be a tree planted in its place. For example if there was a 1000 trees taken out there has to be a 1000 planted. It helps the forests and gives a better cleaner resource in the future.
There ought to be no question in anyone's mind that human activities are having a destructive impact upon the environment and living systems of this planet.
Spot on. It's such a simple requirement, isn't it? Why is most of the world's population in denial about this? They seem to be quite happy to gamble on the future of their children.
No offense but rather than go with your sophisticated analysis, it would be much better if the world went with the conclusions of every major scientific organization, as well as 1000s of inidividual scientists and 100s of governments involved in the IPCC reports. Educate yourself. As for how well the world is handling CO2, have you checked out coral reefs recently? Anthropogenic climate change is real, despite the head-in-the-sand and cynical, business-as-usual perspectives of various deniers.
No offense taken. I have done my own research and have done a lot. From both sides of the major scientist the ones that believe and the ones that don't and to me the ones that say we are having a cycle seem more correct. I am big with the reefs and have found that there is more to reef destruction that just heating of the earth. Reefs get over fishing, trash, tourism and more that destroy them not heating to one to two degrees. I believe climate change is real I just dont see it happening now.
I'm glad you've looked into the issue but it's not an either/or with respect to climate cycles and human-influenced climate change. The issue is whether the latter is on top of any other changes, and that's what the vast majority of research shows (e.g., see Kaufmann et al. 2009. Recent warming reverses long-term Arctic cooling, Science 325: 1236-1239).
ether way I do not see climate change happening. But I will focus more on what is really destroying the reefs, overfishing, poaching, tourism and lots of trash. I hope you have a good day. =)
Are you blind? Are you happy to gamble with your children's future? So you agree that the reefs are being destroyed by human activity... Just extend that premise one little step further, and you might actually see that human activity is helping to destroy the ozone layer. The simple chemical equations that illustrate the effect of greenhouse gases on the atmosphere are debatable, are they? Your attitude is typical of the complacency of so many people. PAY ATTENTION TO THE SCIENCE, YOU PILLOCK.
I am the future Im only in my late teens. I agree that humans are part of reef destruction but I just do not see global warming happening that is just my view on it and nothing is going to change it. Like I said before if we take too much Co2 out of the air the trees wont have enough and I strongly think we are on that road. When the government lets me choose when to go green and not tell me than I will.
Yes, other factors affect reefs (and this is my own particular area of expertise), but again, the vast majority of reef scientists believe that CC is already increasing the freq. of thermally-induced coral bleaching, causing decreased growth and mortality, and that decreases in pH (i.e., increased acidity) will continue to occur due to CO2 absorption by seawater, making it harder and harder for corals, not to mention many other calcareous and non-calcareous species to thrive.
AGW is refuted 6 ways from Sunday, your consensus is a myth paid for by govt regulation & Stipend to those with the "right" conclusion, Models are programmed to show the "right" conclusion, temperature drives carbon emissions as shone by ice core records, not vice versa, & solar activity drives temperature, Nasa Data was tampered with by Obama's Science Czar who was found out by Canadians, & The Global temp only ever rose 1 degree since the industrial revolution, but hasn't for the past 9 years.
Your one correct statement is that in the geologic past, temp. increases preceded CO2 increases, but that was due to diff. processes before humans started to massively pump out CO2, and that geologic record in no way refutes that CO2 is a greenhouse gas, something that's been known for hundreds of years. About solar activity and climate change, that has been repeatedly refuted and is now just a canard.
No I'm correct on every statement, your ignorance of these facts cannot refute them. That's not how scientific inquiry works. The deadly warming since the industrial revolution amounts to ONE DEGREE, and stopped after the New Millennium. The suport of AGW Theory has been a requirement for funding from the Govt, which DOES NOT FUND DISSENTING at all much less equally. The Data HAS BEEN TAMPERED WITH, at Nasa & in "Climate-Gate" and elsewhere. Stop ignoring truths for their inconvenience...
How exactly could the sci. consensus be a conspiracy? Tricking all those govs that have very little else in common, and all those scientists, who are trained to be intellectually skeptical and competitive, to agree to sign on to false statements? Conspiracies only work when there's a small no. of people in the know. Science works very diff.-- people are actually rewarded more for persuasively challenging, via sharing of info. and peer-reviewed analysis, than for affirming the status quo.
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LOL, You assume there ACTUALLY IS a "Consensus" hah! There isn't. Hundreds of CLIMATOLOGISTS have been until recently SILENCED. This was caused by selective funding due to self interest & or ignorance on the parts of Govt's.
I'm quite aware of the requirements for conspiracy to actually work. Govt.s have no honor.
Just Look Into the Dissenting perspective, I have a small collection of articles under Tiny Url /AsdBlogDebunkingAGW
& Lord Monckton's St. Paul speech is indispensable.
What exactly is your area of expertise asderathos? You act very knowledgeable, yet you ARE stating incorrect information. I would just like to know your background, since those of us scientists who are studying climate change and are actually able to UNDERSTAND the findings provided to us by other scientists are the true knowledgeable ones in this situation.
Do pardon me, I did actually flub one of my facts
It is corrected by the St. Paul speech of Lord Monckton to which I defer the title of correctitude
I retained the Correlation of sun spots with warming trends as causation, when of course that is speculation, One such as myself (with limited capacity) should stick to the point of falsified data (on many a front)
Would you suggest a Title & only a Title grants one the gift of comprehension? Do have a look at Monckton's Speech & my links.
We have good reason to ignore some people's ideas. It's fine to listen to people like Monckton, but do also investigate his ideas, and also explore the thousands of intelligent, eloquent, rational arguments against virtually everything he says. He plays to people's fear of some great conspiracy, to their insecurity and greed as opposed to their sense of justice or perspective, to the manufactured spectre of 'communism' replacing 'freedom', etc. It's all a bit peurile. But thanks for the link. :)
There is conspiracy theory and then there's Ideology half covered relying on ignorance of the ppl
(Obama is still not a Socialist to a great many ppl! for instance)
The Falsehoods of AGW & the ideologies of men in power pursuant to the goal of greater Governance of the UN nudging national sovereignty as the constitution has been nudged, are well supported by the facts
It is how we came to be where we are, that we are loathe to be compared or even use the same terms as lunies like Alex Jones.
Oops, I deleted Joe's comment by mistake. Sorry Joe. Here it is again in its full glory. (I especially like the bit about separating science and state. What could be worse than allowing decision-makers access to facts, information and understanding of how things work?)
Higher temps cause CO2 increases but the incease happens around 800 years after. The fact 20th century CO2 rises match tem rises shows warming is man made.
Temps fallen in the last 10 yrs? !!! Though 1998 was a peak, global temps have risen significantly between 99 and 09 - last ten years. 2000-99 is the warmest decade on record.
To believe that the Medieval Warm Period is warmer than the last 50 you have to ignore all the evidence those rises were local rather than global.
I agree Joe. The government shouldn't fund science, leaving it so that the only place scientists can get funding is from corporations, which have proven themselves to have absolutely no agenda and never be biased or selective in the results they publish :)
Who's talking, besides Hugh Dennis?
jettison27 1 day ago
@mxgirl918 Im glad you agree. Thanks :-)
I just get so annoyed with people trying to ignore everything just because it may make their lives a little harder. But some people refuse to accept anything. Give them a soap opera on the tele and theyll be happy, but give them fact and evidence and their brains shut down.
DeathlyHall0ws7 2 weeks ago
haha! genius!!
mxgirl918 2 weeks ago
i feel slightly sad about this because it sounds like he was a journalist there. its scarily true. even about Ban Ki Moon
daleksec666 2 months ago
Fantastic. This is proper comedy genius. Intelligence is not always shown from comedians but this video is proof that not everyone in the world is completely stupid. And for anyone still doubting the existence of climate change, i have just one thing to say to you. Open your eyes! The entire planet is changing and the evidence is incontrivertable. Yet you still insist that the scientists are all lying. So the ice caps are just magically dissappearing, are the? No.
DeathlyHall0ws7 5 months ago
@DeathlyHall0ws7 You nailed it! For the idiots who keep saying scientists are lying about climate change.....maybe you should go explain to Aussies on the east coast and people in and around Bangkok why it's raining when it's not supposed to.
mxgirl918 2 weeks ago
Clever AND funny.Thanks for the laugh.
mrbrianmccarthy 1 year ago
@rayme07 A couple of direct quotes from you "Global warming isn't happening, whatever the scientists say". This is blatant ignorance of well respected, peer reviewed scientists who have been able to secure more funding because all the evidence points to them being correct. I believe this is called "the arsene venger method". Ignoring video evidence and all possible ways of telling what is happening in order to stick to what you think makes you feel cozy.
shmooman15 1 year ago
ever heard a song by Brad - lyrics go
when we hear the thunder and the lightning,
when we hear the falling of the trees,
when we see that we have all been foolish
should have listenened closer and believed.
Never mind what you heard, never mind what you heard
cos it's all gone now.
Liorte1973 1 year ago
brigstok at his best.
tornadoe13 1 year ago
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I wished Doctor Who was on television in my coutry. Until then I will continue to watch it online at lastnightstvshows (.) com
fortunatebyword44 1 year ago
Brilliant work!
Also check out The Juice Media Rap news; Al Gore finally accepts Lord Monckton's challenge to a highly uncivilized debate over the issue of anthropogenic climate change, as we count down to the Copenhagen Climate Conference - aka COP15 - in a special extended edition of ~RapNews, .
thejuicemedia 1 year ago
Yes - excellent - "People, please, research the truth. Nowadays it isn't tough to do." Nice delivery :-)
DrBerninski 1 year ago 2
this it pure genius!
oliverraine456 2 years ago 2
this is hilarious
madasamadthing 2 years ago 4
such an amazing bit of poetry. thanks for putting this up = )
bassplayinglurker 2 years ago 21
very clever. unlike denialists. who are "something very unpleasant indeed"
andy765gtr 2 years ago 4
This is brilliant.
galaward 2 years ago 18
RAYME07- It is reason enough to not listen to your poorly informed opinions when one spells Greenhouse Effect as AFFECT. In any event, this is not a topic of opinion but rather science and fact regardless of political affiliation, religious belief or strata in life.
dude1234567777777 2 years ago
Fossil fuels are here today, but nuclear energy is here to stay.
KarlJohanson42 2 years ago
Why on earth would any scientist or politician want to be taken in by some crazy wrong idea that implies MASSIVE change, huge cost, lifestyle changes that will inconvenience most of the electorate, and shows them up to have failed and still be failing in their duty to act in our best interests, unless there was overwhelming evidence for it being true? I can't imagine anything more politically ridiculous. Here's another you may like: try putting "Brigstocke Climate Swindle" in your search bar :-)
DrBerninski 2 years ago
The temperature of the earth has not risen ,in fact it has gone down, in the last 8 years. I do not want the Earth to be damaged for my children and grandchildren. Show me Pure Science in the pursuit of the answer to this question, not Political Science trying to prop up a half truth.
1200intell 2 years ago
Perhaps climate change is a half-truth, but it is something I wouldn't want to gamble on. I have children. I want a guarantee from the powers that be that destructive climate change is not going to happen as a consequence of human irresponsibility. And I think that is perfectly reasonable.
schmoegler 2 years ago
The steps of the scientific method are to:
Ask a Question
Do Background Research
Construct a Hypothesis
Test Your Hypothesis by Doing an Experiment
Analyze Your Data and Draw a Conclusion
Communicate Your Results You can not take a conclusion or idea and work backwards to get the desired result.
1200intell 2 years ago
This is great! tw2org Data can be interpreted many ways, CO2 is vital to plant Photosynthesis! How many ways can you interpret using "phony or Altered data" to fit a predetermined political agenda! It's time to take the emotion/fanaticism out of science and get back to basics. Politics Emotion/Religion and science were never meant to walk hand in hand.
1200intell 2 years ago
CO2 is up 38% from its pre-industrial norm and rising another 1% each year and a half. The issue: Is fossil fuel energy safe? In other words, will the planet be healthy no matter how high CO2 rises? To 50%? 80%? 100% higher than the pre-industrial norm? None of you skeptics have proven the safety of fossil fuel energy; if we follow your advice and you're wrong, the results are catastrophic. What you ask of the world is a gamble, an irreversible and possibly calamitous gamble. Not cool.
tw2org 2 years ago 2
This is brilliant - incrediably funny. It's just a tragedy that the topic is so serious and important.
annemcmenamin 2 years ago
This is great, but it´s time for us to get a grip on reality I think.
LOOK AT THE F--KING DATA!
arbide2 2 years ago
What data?
smttysmth02gt 2 years ago
The scientific data.
arbide2 2 years ago
Exactly. What scientific data?
smttysmth02gt 2 years ago
IPCC, NSIDC, and ERBE data, for example.
arbide2 2 years ago
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Oh. You mean the people manipulating data, omitting information, and excluding thousands of scientists.
smttysmth02gt 2 years ago
I don´t think that you understood my standing on this subject.
We seem to be on the same page.
arbide2 2 years ago
Seen this thanks to Andrew Revkin of New York Times, who writes some weighty articles re global warming
To me, has pretty much all you need to know re the Copenhagen talks: excellent.
DocMartinHK 2 years ago
This is so Seuss! We just got finished doing Seussical the Musical so it is fresh in our minds. Great sketch.
And I agree -debating the topic here is counterproductive to this particular video- people should just enjoy this for what it is, politics aside.
RockTheFacts 2 years ago
Thanks for your comments about the sketch.
I know it's irresistible, but if you pile into the climate change is / isn't happening argument on here - or if you're choosing to announce your research in the comments section of a comedy sketch - then you'll probably look a bit silly. :-)
DrBerninski 2 years ago
I kinda agree, but the majority of informed scientists have been too quiet in confront climate change deniers, so it's important to try to correct their erroneous assertions wherever you find them. Not because we think they'll care about scientific reality more than the latest misinformation from Beck, Limbaugh, Inofe, etc., but because others who are truly on the fence may be paying attention.
drb803 2 years ago
(part three)....I do believe however, that we will run out of resources such as food and water well before humans have to worry about extinction. Oh, and the earth is billions of yrs old no 1000s and its never experienced anything like the curse of the ignorant, greedy and self-centred human race!
MsEliseGodwin 2 years ago
There is no way in heck we will run out of resources there is too many people going green and too many conservation parties out there helping keep those resources fresh and ongoing. The human race has a heart we aren't some demolition group ready to kill everything. So how do you feel about calling yourself ignorant, greedy and self-centered.
rayme07 2 years ago
You are either naive or stupid. All the science points to the human race being destructive re climate. The human race is a greedy, warmongering and irresponsible race. The human race has overshot. The human race has followed a certain road to where selfishness rules, and you are ridiculed if you try to advocate equality.
schmoegler 2 years ago
My comment (above) is in response to rayme07...
schmoegler 2 years ago
Well apparently the human race is trying to change. There are many people going green or recycling you just have to look. With that happening I do not see global warming happening. There are storms throwing snow like crazy that is not global warming and certainly global warming did not cause it no matter what the scientist say. The only thing is we need to get other countries to go green. But it shouldn't be taxed right out of our pockets in a recession.
rayme07 2 years ago
I must say I retract any personal remarks you may have suffered from me. I apologise for my unduly aggressive opposition to your points.
However, I would like to ask you to bare in mind the following:
schmoegler 2 years ago
The rapid decline of the ice-shelves.
The amount of destruction without replacement of rain forest.
The deterioration of the ozone layer in recent decades.
The number of species becoming extinct every year (or every few minutes).
The increase in the number of hurricanes in the Caribbean/US.
The increase in use of fossil fuels which contributes to the greenhouse effect like a thermal blanket.
Steve.
schmoegler 2 years ago
We know the processes are ongoing, but we continue, as in Copenhagen, to ignore the signs. It is straightforward, but maybe I mistook 'feel' for 'think'.
Peace and love,
Steve.
schmoegler 2 years ago
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Its ok apology accepted I know how people including myself get when it involves politics and such. Have you ever realized that when they show the decline of ice- shelves its in the summer months when they are supposed to decline and when it turns winter they stop it is quite interesting really using hot summer months to show it. Once it turns winter it stops.
rayme07 2 years ago
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Continued: And again the greenhouse affect I have not seen other than in china which can be fixed. Everything else I have looked at and know for a fact humans are trying to save those animals using conservation and such. The destruction of rain forest again the countries need to be tought to replant. I see it this way global warming is not as bad as they say and will more than likely never get that way. People are already changing thus no global warming that is my perspective. Have a good day.
rayme07 2 years ago
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Sorry it sounded rude youtube does not let u type that much so I kind of had to get it to the point. =)
rayme07 2 years ago
(part two)....Climate change WILL alter all ecosystem processes. after the ocean has heated past a certain point, the great ocean conveyor belt (which drives all processes, from wind to rain to biological productivity) will stop and the planet will go into an ice age.
MsEliseGodwin 2 years ago
Ice age hmmm sound familiar. much like we are having now its called winter. The earth is going through a cycle. You will see. But hay I am not stopping you from believing what Al gore brainwashed you into thinking. Its your life. And its mine so I am believing there is a cycle.
rayme07 2 years ago
You carry on believing that. Beliefs are different from knowledge based on fact. Do you want to gamble with climate change, or is your 'belief' based on scientific fact? Al Gore has not brainwashed me into anything. I repeat: are you prepared to accept that destructive climate change is possible? If not, I'd like to hear why. If so, your attitude is utterly irresponsible.
schmoegler 2 years ago
I certainly would like to gamble with it. But it does not mean that I cant go green by myself why do we have to have government telling us to go green and taxing us poor in this recession. I take care of the environment but nothing is going to change my mind about global warming.
rayme07 2 years ago
There are a lot people dedicated to the stance that 'nothing is going change my mind'. It'd hardly be sensible to expect them to gain much depth or perspective with regard to something that's not right under their nose. If you don't see global warming, you see snow, then that's probably you. If you're interested, you might explore the difference between weather and climate, to start with. (Or ignore those with a better understanding than you and lobby for the right to believe what you like.)
DrBerninski 2 years ago
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I do not see how climate and weather are different. For the climate to change so does the weather. Just like Al gore and his followers say, Climate change = warmer weather meaning they both tie into each other. The reason why I believe what I do is because I have studied it and believe the scientist have falsified climate change.
rayme07 2 years ago
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What makes your understanding better than mine what makes you so sure that climate change is really happening. I don't see tapes showing ice melting but I do see ice/snow falling here in the US and in the poles. Its freezing again because its winter. Just watch this next summer they will be back at it again saying the ice is melting even though it is supposed too during that time. I hope you have a good day.
rayme07 2 years ago
I wasn't referring to myself - I think it's generally a good idea to look to the thousands of people who've (a) achieved the very rigorous standards necessary to get into this area of research and (b) devoted decades of their lives to investigating climate from every possible angle. Collectively, they have massively more experience and understanding than you or me. If you want to believe they're all frauds and that you know better, that's up to you, but you're really missing out. Keep studying.
DrBerninski 2 years ago
There's plenty of photographic evidence of long term ice melting at the poles and greenland. One of the biggest concerns is that long term ice is melting, which has been around for decades or more, but is now melting every summer. The overall average ice cover is also reducing, leading to knock on effects such as decreased reflectivity and of course increasing sea levels. Global warming means average increase in temp, not increase everywhere all the time. Also more extreme weather patterns.
tobyosmond 2 years ago 3
@rayme07 Try googling "the difference between weather and climate". The difference is crucial.
zckls04 2 years ago
I don't see a difference excepts one's a longer period (like a month v.s. a year to five) of WEATHER. Long or short its the same to me.
rayme07 2 years ago
Consider the difference between sleep and persistent vegetative state for decades. Or between having no water for a day and having no access to water. Or between throwing a six a couple of times and using a dice that always roll six. There's more to the difference than duration.
DrBerninski 2 years ago
All I read from nasa was that climate is data taken from a region and the weather of that region over a period of years. All in All it still has to do with weather, like how much rain that region got or how dry it was. The key word is region meaning they arn't taking data of the climate from a global scale. In my eyes there is not that big a difference in from climate to weather. That's just me.
rayme07 2 years ago
@rayme07 Here's a video that might make clear why the fact that you had a cold winter doesn't disagree with climate change, if you're still wondering.
watch?v=yDTUuckNHgc
DrBerninski 1 year ago
@rayme07 Weather is local, climate is global. If you're at a casino and you lose 5000 dollars on 25 different slot machines, and I observe you winning 25 dollars on one particular slot machine, it would be ridiculous for me to say that proves you were having a winning night.
zckls04 1 year ago
@zckls04 It's like playing ping pong on a train, it may seem like the ball's headed back and forth, but it's really only going one way.
jgkloosterman 1 year ago
Try comparing the war on terror with the fight against climate change.
romeosevendelta 1 year ago
Ok, I tried... they've nothing in common.
DrBerninski 1 year ago
@DrBerninski They're both for profit, based on a threat that didn't/doesn't exist and use fear mongering to get people on board.
romeosevendelta 1 year ago
@romeosevendelta oh, right. Thanks for that. :-/
DrBerninski 1 year ago
@romeosevendelta I mean, hell, their names are practically the same in that their both suggesting we can combat some vague aspect of the world. But if you think you can influence an entire planet, go right ahead and try. But, i guarantee you, you'll be sorely disappointed.
romeosevendelta 1 year ago
OK whoever the hell posted this comment obviously knows NOTHING about the ecosystem processes on which the existence of this planet relies.Global warming IS happening, Just because our generation may not experience the end of the human race doesn't mean that it isn't happening! how many species, habitats and systems have already been destroyed by humans? the world can't handle "anything we throw at it"- it is not an endless resource.....tbc
MsEliseGodwin 2 years ago
Cycling is happening. How many species, habitats and systems have been saved due to us humans and our CONSERVATION groups that helped this earth. And with that said if we can make endless resource the earth can handle anything we throw at it.
rayme07 2 years ago
we Can't make endless resource
Jakobibinotch 2 years ago
Yes you can. As long as you regrow, replant, repopulate and control what is being taken out of the environment you can have endless resources. Why do you think when loggers go out into the forest and chop down trees they replant a tree for everyone they take down. To keep the forest healthy and in about 10 to 15 years or longer they can go out and re harvest.
rayme07 2 years ago
So we can put CO2 into the air, knowing that it has a significant destabilising effect, as long as we take it out again just as fast.
DrBerninski 2 years ago
Are you seriously suggesting that every tree that is being chopped down in the rainforests of Brazil and Indonesia is being replaced? Doh!
schmoegler 2 years ago
No I am saying here in the US and if we take that accomplishment to brazil and indonesia and teach them conservation then maybe they can keep their resources.
rayme07 2 years ago
But is this actually happening on a scale which will guarantee human survival? I think not.
schmoegler 2 years ago
Yes I think so, for every tree taken out there has to be a tree planted in its place. For example if there was a 1000 trees taken out there has to be a 1000 planted. It helps the forests and gives a better cleaner resource in the future.
rayme07 2 years ago
It wasn't an opinion we live on a finite world with finite resorces.
Jakobibinotch 2 years ago
Funny sketch.
There ought to be no question in anyone's mind that human activities are having a destructive impact upon the environment and living systems of this planet.
RobertWhitlock 2 years ago 3
Spot on. It's such a simple requirement, isn't it? Why is most of the world's population in denial about this? They seem to be quite happy to gamble on the future of their children.
schmoegler 2 years ago
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rayme07 2 years ago
No offense but rather than go with your sophisticated analysis, it would be much better if the world went with the conclusions of every major scientific organization, as well as 1000s of inidividual scientists and 100s of governments involved in the IPCC reports. Educate yourself. As for how well the world is handling CO2, have you checked out coral reefs recently? Anthropogenic climate change is real, despite the head-in-the-sand and cynical, business-as-usual perspectives of various deniers.
drb803 2 years ago
No offense taken. I have done my own research and have done a lot. From both sides of the major scientist the ones that believe and the ones that don't and to me the ones that say we are having a cycle seem more correct. I am big with the reefs and have found that there is more to reef destruction that just heating of the earth. Reefs get over fishing, trash, tourism and more that destroy them not heating to one to two degrees. I believe climate change is real I just dont see it happening now.
rayme07 2 years ago
I'm glad you've looked into the issue but it's not an either/or with respect to climate cycles and human-influenced climate change. The issue is whether the latter is on top of any other changes, and that's what the vast majority of research shows (e.g., see Kaufmann et al. 2009. Recent warming reverses long-term Arctic cooling, Science 325: 1236-1239).
drb803 2 years ago
correction: that should be Kaufman et al.
drb803 2 years ago
ether way I do not see climate change happening. But I will focus more on what is really destroying the reefs, overfishing, poaching, tourism and lots of trash. I hope you have a good day. =)
rayme07 2 years ago
Are you blind? Are you happy to gamble with your children's future? So you agree that the reefs are being destroyed by human activity... Just extend that premise one little step further, and you might actually see that human activity is helping to destroy the ozone layer. The simple chemical equations that illustrate the effect of greenhouse gases on the atmosphere are debatable, are they? Your attitude is typical of the complacency of so many people. PAY ATTENTION TO THE SCIENCE, YOU PILLOCK.
schmoegler 2 years ago
I am the future Im only in my late teens. I agree that humans are part of reef destruction but I just do not see global warming happening that is just my view on it and nothing is going to change it. Like I said before if we take too much Co2 out of the air the trees wont have enough and I strongly think we are on that road. When the government lets me choose when to go green and not tell me than I will.
rayme07 2 years ago
Yes, other factors affect reefs (and this is my own particular area of expertise), but again, the vast majority of reef scientists believe that CC is already increasing the freq. of thermally-induced coral bleaching, causing decreased growth and mortality, and that decreases in pH (i.e., increased acidity) will continue to occur due to CO2 absorption by seawater, making it harder and harder for corals, not to mention many other calcareous and non-calcareous species to thrive.
drb803 2 years ago
Then why not open your eyes, rayme07, and look around you?
schmoegler 2 years ago
AGW is refuted 6 ways from Sunday, your consensus is a myth paid for by govt regulation & Stipend to those with the "right" conclusion, Models are programmed to show the "right" conclusion, temperature drives carbon emissions as shone by ice core records, not vice versa, & solar activity drives temperature, Nasa Data was tampered with by Obama's Science Czar who was found out by Canadians, & The Global temp only ever rose 1 degree since the industrial revolution, but hasn't for the past 9 years.
asderathos 2 years ago
Your one correct statement is that in the geologic past, temp. increases preceded CO2 increases, but that was due to diff. processes before humans started to massively pump out CO2, and that geologic record in no way refutes that CO2 is a greenhouse gas, something that's been known for hundreds of years. About solar activity and climate change, that has been repeatedly refuted and is now just a canard.
drb803 2 years ago
No I'm correct on every statement, your ignorance of these facts cannot refute them. That's not how scientific inquiry works. The deadly warming since the industrial revolution amounts to ONE DEGREE, and stopped after the New Millennium. The suport of AGW Theory has been a requirement for funding from the Govt, which DOES NOT FUND DISSENTING at all much less equally. The Data HAS BEEN TAMPERED WITH, at Nasa & in "Climate-Gate" and elsewhere. Stop ignoring truths for their inconvenience...
asderathos 2 years ago
How exactly could the sci. consensus be a conspiracy? Tricking all those govs that have very little else in common, and all those scientists, who are trained to be intellectually skeptical and competitive, to agree to sign on to false statements? Conspiracies only work when there's a small no. of people in the know. Science works very diff.-- people are actually rewarded more for persuasively challenging, via sharing of info. and peer-reviewed analysis, than for affirming the status quo.
drb803 2 years ago 2
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LOL, You assume there ACTUALLY IS a "Consensus" hah! There isn't. Hundreds of CLIMATOLOGISTS have been until recently SILENCED. This was caused by selective funding due to self interest & or ignorance on the parts of Govt's.
I'm quite aware of the requirements for conspiracy to actually work. Govt.s have no honor.
Just Look Into the Dissenting perspective, I have a small collection of articles under Tiny Url /AsdBlogDebunkingAGW
& Lord Monckton's St. Paul speech is indispensable.
asderathos 2 years ago
What exactly is your area of expertise asderathos? You act very knowledgeable, yet you ARE stating incorrect information. I would just like to know your background, since those of us scientists who are studying climate change and are actually able to UNDERSTAND the findings provided to us by other scientists are the true knowledgeable ones in this situation.
lauraandblue 2 years ago
Do pardon me, I did actually flub one of my facts
It is corrected by the St. Paul speech of Lord Monckton to which I defer the title of correctitude
I retained the Correlation of sun spots with warming trends as causation, when of course that is speculation, One such as myself (with limited capacity) should stick to the point of falsified data (on many a front)
Would you suggest a Title & only a Title grants one the gift of comprehension? Do have a look at Monckton's Speech & my links.
asderathos 2 years ago
Lord Monckton's St. Paul Presentation With Slides - /watch?v=4zOXmJ4jd-8
asderathos 2 years ago
@asderathos or you could listen to any other crank with a guilt-relieving story to sell you.
calvinjones 2 years ago
Or you could ignore anyone who has EVIDENCE AGAINST YOUR POPULIST THEORY??? Eh?
Wake Up, The Very Principles of Science have been bought and sold under you're ignorant nose.
asderathos 2 years ago
We have good reason to ignore some people's ideas. It's fine to listen to people like Monckton, but do also investigate his ideas, and also explore the thousands of intelligent, eloquent, rational arguments against virtually everything he says. He plays to people's fear of some great conspiracy, to their insecurity and greed as opposed to their sense of justice or perspective, to the manufactured spectre of 'communism' replacing 'freedom', etc. It's all a bit peurile. But thanks for the link. :)
DrBerninski 2 years ago
There is conspiracy theory and then there's Ideology half covered relying on ignorance of the ppl
(Obama is still not a Socialist to a great many ppl! for instance)
The Falsehoods of AGW & the ideologies of men in power pursuant to the goal of greater Governance of the UN nudging national sovereignty as the constitution has been nudged, are well supported by the facts
It is how we came to be where we are, that we are loathe to be compared or even use the same terms as lunies like Alex Jones.
asderathos 2 years ago
& Yer welcome fer teh link.
asderathos 2 years ago
Spot on. At least there is SOME common sense on this thread.
schmoegler 2 years ago
@JoeJeffersonn
Wow, Joe! did you come up with all this original research by yourself? It's brilliant in it's originality!
Have you sent in a submission to the journal Science? I'm sure it will be a hit with your fellow scientists!
MrJMichaelOHara 2 years ago 3
Oops, I deleted Joe's comment by mistake. Sorry Joe. Here it is again in its full glory. (I especially like the bit about separating science and state. What could be worse than allowing decision-makers access to facts, information and understanding of how things work?)
DrBerninski 2 years ago
1: higher temperatures cause CO2 increase, not the opposite
2: temps have fallen the past 10 years while CO2 continues to rise
3: periods of much warmer/cooler weather (and higher/lower CO2) have existed over 20,000+ years
4: planets warm/cool together, which means warming/cooling is primarily caused by the sun
We need 100% separation of science and state
Government funded science = propaganda
Plants absorb CO2 and emit O2
Hang climate totalitarians
End lies & pollution
- Joe Jefferson
DrBerninski 2 years ago
DrBerninksi:
Higher temps cause CO2 increases but the incease happens around 800 years after. The fact 20th century CO2 rises match tem rises shows warming is man made.
Temps fallen in the last 10 yrs? !!! Though 1998 was a peak, global temps have risen significantly between 99 and 09 - last ten years. 2000-99 is the warmest decade on record.
To believe that the Medieval Warm Period is warmer than the last 50 you have to ignore all the evidence those rises were local rather than global.
william1shaw 2 years ago
That was a comment by someone else, which I reposted after I'd deleted it by mistake.
DrBerninski 2 years ago
@JoeJeffersonn
I agree Joe. The government shouldn't fund science, leaving it so that the only place scientists can get funding is from corporations, which have proven themselves to have absolutely no agenda and never be biased or selective in the results they publish :)
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totallyHATINGlife 2 years ago
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