From a physics standpoint, I disagree with his argument that Eastern Doubles provide for a more even double stroke roll (and I've been studying this rather heavily, approaching technique of playing ANY music instrument from a physics standpoint). I've examined this with my private lessons instructor, and he agrees as well. However, I will, of course, repeat that if one thing feels more comfortable for YOU, than by all means, DON'T CHANGE IT!
@ChronoGXay From a physics standpoint, "Eastern" doubles DO in fact provide a cleaner roll. Now, the idea itself wouldn't provide for an even roll, as you stated. When you dig into a drum or cymbal, it sounds uneven because the first note is accented and the second is weak. With this technique, the first note would be weak, and the second accented, therefore ALSO sounding uneven. Although this is true, it's important to remember that this method of practice develops the muscles
@XxStrongDrums1996xX - Meditate on the formulas for determining momentum, impulse, and kinetic and potential energy. I have developed a tried-and-true, all-purpose, physics-based mathematical formula (which actually looks quite similar to the formula for determining the frequency of a sound wave- it also is very easy to understand, yet, with its 5 variables, also takes into consideration changes tempo and dynamic level; there are 'equidistant', arbitrary values set for each dynamic level ...
... - from at least 'ppp' to 'fff' - as well as values set for how the type of accent (the fifth variable) affect the stick height of a stroke after the quotient of the period between any two consecutive notes played with a single hand or foot on a single drum or cymbal is found); it would be best introduced first by analyzing simple, unaccented rhythms, where there are no crescendos, decrescendos, accelerandos, or ritardandos, and makes perfect sense both mathematically and physically. ...
@ChronoGXay Although what you say DOES in fact make sense, you have to realize that "Eastern" doubles DO in fact result in a more even roll. As I said, Eastern doubles train the hands to play each stroke at an equivalent volume, which, from a physics standpoint, would be the definition of even. I should also note that you are wasting your time with this whole "physics" thing. You seem to spend too much time focusing on technique and perfection. You aren't a robot. Just play.
... Eastern double strokes, however, requiring the use of accents, imply a constantly changing stick velocity- which is betrayed by the fact that more energy has to be expended in order to make the second stroke, even with a steady stream of notes. This means that the conservation of energy is not naturally taking place, and also means that you are wrong.
(I am currently trying to get in touch with my private teacher to ask him where he first heard the phrase "Eastern double stroke")
@ChronoGXay Again, as you clearly state, the IDEA of these Eastern doubles (I would like to hear where that came from, as it's an appropriate title. Thanks for bringing it up.) doesn't make much sense at all. Obviously, accenting the second stroke of the roll would NOT result in an even roll. The exercise is designed to train the hand to execute both strokes with the muscles, and not with the rebound of the drum. As muscle memory starts to develop and the roll reaches a higher
@ChronoGXay in a manner that allows both strokes to be equal in volume. It's an interesting phenomenon, but as this video demonstrates, it's true. Either way, from a physics standpoint, I find push-pull technique to be the most logical way to execute doubles, as each stroke is created by a different muscle group. This means that each muscle used is only doing half of the work, therefore the muscles will be able to endure for a longer period of time, as well ass move faster.
I Managed to do this with around 5 minutes of practice each day for around 6 months. I think it's around average or maybe not that natural.
themoaspecial 1 month ago
his uneven double strokes sounded like mine...shit
mtndewman1022 1 month ago
Now I can do double stroke rolls after practicing 3 hours everyday
samtfy1 2 months ago
shit!!! i need to practice!!!
SERCHSOS3722 2 months ago
From a physics standpoint, I disagree with his argument that Eastern Doubles provide for a more even double stroke roll (and I've been studying this rather heavily, approaching technique of playing ANY music instrument from a physics standpoint). I've examined this with my private lessons instructor, and he agrees as well. However, I will, of course, repeat that if one thing feels more comfortable for YOU, than by all means, DON'T CHANGE IT!
ChronoGXay 2 months ago
@ChronoGXay From a physics standpoint, "Eastern" doubles DO in fact provide a cleaner roll. Now, the idea itself wouldn't provide for an even roll, as you stated. When you dig into a drum or cymbal, it sounds uneven because the first note is accented and the second is weak. With this technique, the first note would be weak, and the second accented, therefore ALSO sounding uneven. Although this is true, it's important to remember that this method of practice develops the muscles
XxStrongDrums1996xX 2 weeks ago
@XxStrongDrums1996xX - Meditate on the formulas for determining momentum, impulse, and kinetic and potential energy. I have developed a tried-and-true, all-purpose, physics-based mathematical formula (which actually looks quite similar to the formula for determining the frequency of a sound wave- it also is very easy to understand, yet, with its 5 variables, also takes into consideration changes tempo and dynamic level; there are 'equidistant', arbitrary values set for each dynamic level ...
ChronoGXay 3 days ago
... - from at least 'ppp' to 'fff' - as well as values set for how the type of accent (the fifth variable) affect the stick height of a stroke after the quotient of the period between any two consecutive notes played with a single hand or foot on a single drum or cymbal is found); it would be best introduced first by analyzing simple, unaccented rhythms, where there are no crescendos, decrescendos, accelerandos, or ritardandos, and makes perfect sense both mathematically and physically. ...
ChronoGXay 3 days ago
@ChronoGXay Although what you say DOES in fact make sense, you have to realize that "Eastern" doubles DO in fact result in a more even roll. As I said, Eastern doubles train the hands to play each stroke at an equivalent volume, which, from a physics standpoint, would be the definition of even. I should also note that you are wasting your time with this whole "physics" thing. You seem to spend too much time focusing on technique and perfection. You aren't a robot. Just play.
XxStrongDrums1996xX 3 days ago
... Eastern double strokes, however, requiring the use of accents, imply a constantly changing stick velocity- which is betrayed by the fact that more energy has to be expended in order to make the second stroke, even with a steady stream of notes. This means that the conservation of energy is not naturally taking place, and also means that you are wrong.
(I am currently trying to get in touch with my private teacher to ask him where he first heard the phrase "Eastern double stroke")
ChronoGXay 3 days ago
@ChronoGXay Again, as you clearly state, the IDEA of these Eastern doubles (I would like to hear where that came from, as it's an appropriate title. Thanks for bringing it up.) doesn't make much sense at all. Obviously, accenting the second stroke of the roll would NOT result in an even roll. The exercise is designed to train the hand to execute both strokes with the muscles, and not with the rebound of the drum. As muscle memory starts to develop and the roll reaches a higher
XxStrongDrums1996xX 3 days ago
@ChronoGXay speed, the notes begin to come out at the same velocity.
XxStrongDrums1996xX 3 days ago
@ChronoGXay in a manner that allows both strokes to be equal in volume. It's an interesting phenomenon, but as this video demonstrates, it's true. Either way, from a physics standpoint, I find push-pull technique to be the most logical way to execute doubles, as each stroke is created by a different muscle group. This means that each muscle used is only doing half of the work, therefore the muscles will be able to endure for a longer period of time, as well ass move faster.
XxStrongDrums1996xX 2 weeks ago
the spirit of austria :D
MattDrumsInc 4 months ago
Lol, love the description of the video.
cowzilla8 4 months ago
@cowzilla8 still impossible 4 me :P
singningwongho 4 months ago