@lucaine00 What ever you say negro, stop living a fantasy and your probobly some African American living in the hood looking for something to boost your self esteem.
@TheThirdEye20 Sure blacks have a culture, like Zulus, Ghana, Ethiopia, etc. But I'm talking about you slave descended Afrocentrist! If you wanna claim a culture you should try finding out what West African tribes you are descended from!
@TheBigfranco1 King Tut and Family's DNA shows sub-Saharan African ties
DNATribes, a genomics company that specializes in tracing individuals' ancestry to certain global populations has recently subjected the published STRs of Pharaoh Tutankhamun and family to their analysis. They report that the closest living relatives of the mummies are sub-Saharan Africans, especially those from Southern Africa and the Great Lakes region.
@TheThirdEye20 Egypt is not a black civilization, DEAL WITH IT, neither are the Arabs, Hebrews, Chinese, Olmecs, Greeks, Italians, or any other civilization you Afrocentrist try to claim. But deep down you have shame in your West African slave roots and you want to claim other cultures.
WOW! I Seem to have missing your Rhetoric of Bigot Correctness to me.
But to begin with, you don’t know my ethnicity and unlike you're imaginary boogieman you're projecting from within yourself upon me, I'm very much proud of who I am "AS" I am in every way without a hint of shame in any form.
And to the contrary, it is YOU(people) that need to "DEAL WITH THE FACTS" that Egypt/Egyptians are not a white civilization.
What happened to the Blacks ruling Ancient Egypt is fundamentally no different to what happened to their relatives (the Blacks) in South Africa under the Apartheid and elsewhere. (Including the American Indians for that matter). They were initially befriended, gained their trust then overthrown. The victor performs “Ethnic Cleansing” while pillaging the land and its populous of wealth/knowledge/tools/art effects and more.
But given your historical track record of racism, at which point did it began to matter to you people, the skin-color of the people of color? Whereas according to your yet perpetual practices of bigot correctness, you’ve been quite indiscriminant of any “persons of color”! And those Egyptians you “NOW” flipped the script to re-label as “Non-Blacks”, also suffered “As Blacks” at the hands of you people even during the civil rights movement.
Ironically, there are light-skin Bi-racial (black+???) that are much lighter than the Egyptians you speak of, yet you’ve often infer them as black while claiming the Egyptians are not? And what of this “One Drop Rule” pseudo-nonsense concocted by you people to support your psychotically racist beliefs. Did you expunge it after realizing it was pure buffoonery? Wonder how many innocent lives were lost before arriving to that judgment call?
Thus as you and those of your ilk can clearly see, no matter where you turn to point your blame finger(s), one needs only to follow that trail before eventually finding your tracks.
The problems you complain and/or fight about are nothing more than a war you’re having with your own devilish manifestations and iniquities, both wittingly and unwittingly.
But it will not stop until you people own up and STOP IT!
mummy DNA would not tell you what the population of Egypt would have been.. Just like Having a President of the United States will not tell u the race of all Americans.
Such arguments appear riddled by an underlying hatred to the idea of Dark-Skin (Blacks) authoritative figures of Ancient Egypt and seem desperate to pacify or rescue the egos and arrogances for a belief of Whites seeding ancient Egypt while ignoring their appearances being genetically non-indigenous to the climate,let along the area.
There has yet to be the MOTHER OF ALL DNA ANALYSIS from a “Multinational” scientific program, from the ground to the spreadsheets, “IN PLAIN VIEW AT *ALL* TIMES”
In all the many ways the Egyptian story gets told, there IS always that one particular most basic piece of hard evidence that is more realistic to Black Egyptian Ancestry!
It’s as pure as day, Literally! Ergo, -The Egyptian "SUN"
In all simplicity, the Egyptian populaces are portrayed as being loosely garmented in DIRECT blazing sun light. Where their complaints of skin complications from the indigenous people of the era?
Historians managed to write about everything else!
KEMET /EGYPT HAD 33 DYNASTIES THERE ARE KINGS AND PHAROS YOU NEVER HEAR ABOUT ASK YOUR SELF WHY SUCH AS NARMER MENES,TAHARQA, KUFU AND COUNTLESS OTHERS YOU ONLY GET TO HEAR ABOUT CERTIN PHAROS AND CERTIN TIMELINES 90% OF EGYPTIAN HISTORY IS HIDDEN TO DISCREDIT THE MASSIVE AFRICAN INFLUENCE IN HISTORY ARABS AND OTHER NON AFRICAN TRIBES SETTLED ON THE BOARDERS OF NORTHERN AFRICA AROUND 640 A.D AND HAVE REMAINED THERE SINCE ETHIOPIA REALLY SET THE STAGE FOR EGYPTIAN HISTORY ZAHI HAWASS IS A FRAUD
KEMET /EGYPT HAD 33 DYNASTIES THERE ARE KINGS AND PHAROS YOU NEVER HEAR ABOUT ASK YOUR SELF WHY SUCH AS NARMER MENES,TAHARQA, KUFU AND COUNTLESS OTHERS YOU ONLY GET TO HEAR ABOUT CERTIN PHAROS AND CERTIN TIMELINES 90% OF EGYPTIAN HISTORY IS HIDDEN TO DISCREDIT THE MASSIVE AFRICAN INFLUENCE IN HISTORY ARABS AND OTHER NON AFRICAN TRIBES SETTLED ON THE BOARDERS OF NORTHERN AFRICA AROUND 640 A.D AND HAVE REMAINED THERE SINCE ETHIOPIA REALLY SET THE STAGE FOR EGYPTIAN HISTORY ZAHI HAWASS IS A FRAUD
Melanin responsible for skin pigmentation, is insoluble & is preserved for millions of years in Mummies skins. Epidermis is the main site of the melanin, but the melanocytes penetrating the derm at the boundary between it and the epidermis, even where the latter has mostly been destroyed by the embalming materials, show a melanin
level which is non-existent in the white-skinned races.
thus classifying the ancient Egyptians unquestionably among the black races.
@samysamy25 & @sitabanu "Race is a social construct, not a scientific classification," Robert S. Schwartz, M.D. wrote (in "Race Is a Poor Measure," New England Journal of Medicine, Vol. 344, No. 18, May 3, 2001). "Any attempt to establish lines of division among biological populations is both arbitrary and subjective." Perhaps this why the Ancients Africans/Greeks did not think in terms of race but region, my point is racial hierarchy is a man made socio politico construct used...
I'm not a geneologist but looking at a cross section of N African populations, the first pie chart looks just about right. North African/ Eurasian and a very small black section.
@ASuperEgyptian Just because you can cite a scientific study doesn't mean the basis for it's conclusions aren't criticized by the scientific community. It is not an opinion that a man 50% white can look less stereotypically white than a guy only 25% white. Or that one mulatto can pass for white, while another looks stereotypically black. Phenotype doesn't give figures for proportions of racial lineage, nor did whites care. if you had any ancestry that was native to Africa, you'd be black.
@Omorose33 I m not failing to understand anything. The phenotype does pertain to racial groupings,as does craniology,femur ,dna,scientific proof. Ive already supplied proof of migrations/invasions have not impacted the indigenous population.
Come one get real- a few thousand invaders/migraters cannot breed 8 million Egyptians ,completely out,a ficticious fanatsy of yours. Stop referencing afrocentric sources. No one is denying your west african history.
Phenotype doesn't pertain to racial groupings. Mulattoes who looked stereotypically white for example worked the fields or the house with darker blacks & faced laws against blacks too. African descent was the key not phenotype. Nubians, Assyrians, Hyksos over the periods of thousands of years can add to the genetics of populations already there. Supposing not, so what? Most blacks have white ancestors (at least 1 great grand parent). More immediate than many modern Egyptians.
@Omorose33 Your personal opinions is not scientific fact. They add no value to the origins of the ancient Egyptians. So unless you can prove to me that Egyptians were "negriods",then please do,you Do not keep trying to debate your afrocentric babble to me. Im not really interested in your amateur views
Too bad for you that:
"Around 39,000–52,000 years ago, the western Asian branch spread radially, bringing Caucasians to North Africa "Maca-Meyer, et al. 2001(Molak;2008)
Caucasoid and Aryan is old and fallacious thinking... Both the people of the Caucasus Mountains and Aryans come from a mix of tribes with light and dark skin and differing textures of hair, and not just pale skin. The Europeans want pale skin to = a "Race", but it does not. Other than lost of pigmentation, the European has no characteristics that can't be found in other non-Europeans.
A recent DNA study that over 75% if the Swedish are direct descendants the Pharaoh tut. This video means very little. We know who built the pyrimads, The biggest was built by a Pharaoh called Kufu who was not of modern Egyptian stock.
@777valetudo If they decree it? Yes. The real question of today is will they? BTW many whites were essentially called the derogatory N word like the Irish and weren't truly accepted as white until later down the line. I'm not refuting strawman arguments. I'm pointing out your examples refute nothing. There's no physiological differences apparent in virtually every member of a particular race that can make the case of distinct differences between races. Stuff like sickle cell doesn't change that
@777valetudo Race is identified through at best, stereotypical morphological & physiological differences. sickle cell can be of higher frequency to a racial group, but it's not exclusive to them, nor do all members have to even have it. So it doesn't adequately define who IS black from whose white through biology. Same with genetic markers. Members of either race can defy stereotypical morphological and physiological distinctions and still be of their race.
@777valetudo forensics employ probability for what someone's race is, not certainty. It is not infallible, because race isn't biological and there's no physical trait that will definitively distinguish all blacks from all whites. Still many will understandably argue that it gives law enforcement more of a direction to start with than nothing.
Race is a social construct, not a biological one. I'm not understanding why Afrocentrists and Eurocentrists sit around talking about DNA markers and trying to make racial groups when race has long been dismissed by the scientific community. Why don't they simply talk about where the culture of Egypt came from? Mutations that could've very well happened on their own from within Egypt don't prove the culture Egyptians used were from Africa, Asia or Europe.
Which idiot said that Egyptians are Arabs? They are a collection of Arabs, Europeans and Asian but mostly Africans. According to Islamic Scholars, anyone whose mother tongue is Arabic is an Arab. But this is from a linguistic POV. What some people have mixed up is language with genetics.
keep playing your own ! africa does not mean Black its a continent ...there is No way to lumped such Markers that are absent and not even diverged in south of desert with modern Negroids .
L3d ; L3b mainly common among sub-saharans western africans and its TMRCA is about 30kya to 2kya
L3e so diverged and its TMRCA from 3Kya to 50Kya .depends in each african population somewhere from sahel and saharan area from sudan to mauretania
the most old L3's one is L3h higher among tunisians and tanzanians "lack of L3 diversity among tanzanians". L3k North african marker TMRCA about 20Kya to 40Kya
anyhow L3 lineages seems to be very old and even not related to proto-negroids
Bantu in the Congo language a set of some four hundred peoples speaking related languagescalled Bantu. In Africa, they are presented from west to east of Gabon in Comoros and north to southern Sudan to Namibia. These varied ethnic groups cover the entire southern part of Africa
The ancient egyptian are black. What white people get confuse from is the Ptolemaic dynasty the last 305 years of ancient egyptian that was ruled by a family of Greeks from Alexander the great to cleopatra. Yes during that time rulers were white but that doesn't count for the other 3,000 years of egypt like the pyramids, religion, culture, art, writing, etc All that come from black people.
and not all sub-saharans claimed themselves as black ! in south of desert there is more than 650 languages and about 2550 of different ethnic groups . hence khoisan are tanned not black and negroid can't be tanned
actually Black is a color NOT a race ..sub-saharans Identify themselves in relationship with their ethnic background even if they share the same colors and features . one from the flumbe is not like another one from Mandebe or Mande or wolof and Bamaki etc ....indeed the most common color among them was DARK skin Not black skin
@samysamy25 The ancient Egyptian pre Greek Roman and Arab invasion wrote they came from the beginning of the Nile. That would be in the heart of southern central Africa in the Great lakes region. These words Bantus and congoids aren't African terms. They are western white terms designed and used for confusing and dividing African people from their point of view.
Biologically Roman and arab ancestry is nearly Null among Modern Egyptians ;) In fact we have Lack of Local mtDNA (maternal discontinuity ) remplaced by sub-saharan maternal side due to the recent trade slavery into the markets of Egypt. Bantus is simply a technical word who identify the Major Population of south of sahara in fact bantus and sub-saharans plus afro-americans belongs mostly to the Nigero-Congolese groups in Equatorial africa. indeed! those africans are not the same!
@samysamy25 Please stop with the sub-saharan middle east bantus and etc! These words are part the western white program. They change or make up names to suit its interest in matters. IE the ancient Egyptian! This propaganda is not going to work on somebody who's awake to the plot the whites and their writing on history. The past 600 to the present has been par for the coarse every where western white civilization has gone it has changed and claimed things to suit its purposes.
I think the guy named keita or what ever has actually made his hypothesis of Ancient Egyptian and North African was mainly to get fame in the scientist circle; he has got some fame in the Afrocentrism circle but lost creditably as a doctor world wide. I am not sure if which of Afrocentrism or World concerns him the most.
@ahmedzs1 "Dr. `Shomarka` (S.O.Y.) `Keita` is an African American biological anthropologist and physician affiliated with the National Human Genome Center of Howard University and Department of Anthropology of the Smithsonian Institution, who is interested in the biocultural origins and histories of African people." Do not try to de-legitimize his credentials in the Genome specialty. His work has been PEER REVIEWED unlike the DNA testing of King Tut!
This is completely false the modern Egyptians are Arabs that came into Egypt in 640AD & after. they have no lineage in Africa at all. The Egyptians came from the interior of Africa. Blacks were in Egypt froms its beginning. the modern day Egyptians are semites(Asiatics) who the Egyptians despised. North Aficans are really Asian immagrants.
@samysamy25 - Sammy just because you are not smart enough to read the data and know it exists.....that doesn't mean its NOT there. E-M78* not only exist in Sudan but in SOUTHERN and WESTERN Sudanese Nilotic groups. It was also found in a higher frequency than it was in Egypt. Hassan et al 2008, Page 5, Table 2.
from the table its was V22 among nilotics according to DYS calculations .. Lol ! even Hasan Et Al 2008 find V22 higher among fulanis at 31% and other nilots hence the basal M78* is not even detected among them ! lets see who is less smarter ;) BANTUS ... and guess what (suite)
@samysamy25 NO - the Nilotic speakers had M78*, V12, V22, AND V32. I told you EXACTLY where you could find it in the article and you still could not figure it out. I will post it again. Hassan et al 2008, Page 5, Table 2.
Yes V12 and V22 DID in fact return from Egypt, that is not what I am talking about. I am speaking of the E-M78* ancestral marker having a presence in Sub Saharan East Africa (Sudan). This just means your earlier statement is WRONG.
returned? M78* is 0% in North east africa except egypt while its ancestor V68* is exlusively European . and how you can claimed such STUPID Personnal Ideas in DENIAL with Hassan et al. who suggest that V22 like V12, have entered Sudan from N.Africa "after the progressive desertification of Sahara about 6kya. They add that the gene flow to Sudan is not only recent (Holocene onward & that most speakers of Nilot languages) Hence we know nilotics r under M78+ only for V32+ V22+ V12+
Hassan et al. (2008) also reported a significant presence in neighboring Sudan, making up about 30% of the diverse range of the country's E-M78 lineages in their study, including 8 out of 26 Fulani (about 31%), a widely-dispersed pastoral people. E-V22 was also present in much smaller frequencies amongst the Shilluk (2 of 15 samples, 13%) and Dinka (3 of 26, 11.5%) Nilotes of Southern Sudan.
Hassan et al. suggest that V22 like V12, have entered Sudan from N.Africa "after the progressive desertification of Sahara about 6kya. They add that the gene flow to Sudan is not only recent (Holocene onward & that most speakers of Nilot languages, the major linguistic family spoken in the country, show little evidence of gene flow and demonstrate low migration rate, with exception of Nubians, who appear to have sustained considerable gene flow from Asia Europe together with Beja
NOP ! all DYS Markers from the Table are DYS19=12 to DYS19=27; close matches to Hubbs who have V22. Indeed M78+ was Positive for all V series SNPs V12+ V22+ V32+ results in all its Excel samples Hence. IT DOES NOT INCLUDING any Negative sample for M78+ of Hasan et Al 2008
So far more E-M78* are found outside of Egypt "Gurna" like in Morocco, Spain, Sardinia and two among Albanians and one Guanche . and recently two Irish .
you try so hard to claimed such things never existed
@samysamy25 You STILL dont get it. if they were Positive for the V22 SNP then they would have been listed as V22 like many were, and NOT listed as M78* - Either the SNP is there or its NOT. If they test for V12,V22,V32,V65 and V13 and they dont find ANY of those SNPs in an individual that is M78+ then that individual is listed as M78*. There are TWO samples in that study that are M78* - ANYONE READING THIS CAN VERIFY - Hassan et al 2008, Page 5, Table 2. NOW HOW can I verify what YOU SAY?
they weren't listed for V22 cause they aren't calculated but still +V22 ! hence all the snp and Dys markers from the excel table of Hasan et al 2008 are positive and equivalent for V12+,V22+,V32+ and Negative for V13 .V65 & M78*! so NOW YOU GET IT ? again there is no snp positive for M78* in all Hasan et al 2008 samples if there WAS JUST even one. he will declared its presence but he don't ! LOL how they don't find any positive snp's for M78+ and their DYS is 19=12 to 8=27 ?
@samysamy25 WHERE IS THE SPREADSHEET? - I say FACTS that verifiable in the study that we are talking about.. You speak of some phantom spreadsheet that comes from god knows where. FURTHERMORE "DYS is 19=12 to 8=27" are STRs not SNPs.
Different STRs can fall under a number of different Haplogroups. It doesn't really mean anything. OTOH if the SNP is there then you are not ancestral. PLEASE name your source of M78* being later classified as V22 when V22 was typed the FIRST TIME AROUND.
Lol ! again ... its Not variable since we have the calculations of DYS19=12 to DYS19=2 that gives to us close matches to Hubbs who have V22 V32 V12 positives SNP's for M78 Lineages in the excel table of Hasan et al 2008 . GET IT RIGHT NOW ? In fact they aren't Even under any postives matches for any other different Haplogroups or for M78* as you claimed . but only we have different STR's like DYS388=13 /17 /22 equivalent and positive for J1c3 Y-dna Chr for example !
@samysamy25 Hassan 2008 has NO ATTACHED supplemental! This entire argument could have been ended a LONG TIME AGO -send an email to the Excel doc. Otherwise the argument is this:
(1) Sammy: Sub Saharan Africa has no E-M78*
(2) Me: Hassan et al , Page 5, Table 2 shows, V12, V22, V32 AND E-M78* all within Sudanese Nilo-Saharan folk.
(3) Sammy: there is this Excel sheet that says M78* is really V22
(4) Me: They tested for V22 the first time, show me the Excel sheet.
LOL ! really ?actually Hassan 2008 has his attached supplemental DATA in DNA BANK if you don't know . as far we Have FTDNA sudanese samples mostly J1c3d-Y dna Chr at 70% Max . Great Admittance by you assuming that sub-saharans are 0% of M78* including southern nilotics and then their Northren groups in saharan regions. Excel table of hassan et al shows clearly that all M78 Lineages among sudanese were V12, V22, V32 and not even Negative which means NO M78* in anyway;)
@samysamy25 LINK PLEASE. Please email the link Sammy so I can verify it myself. Click on my name at the bottom of this post. This will take you to my profile. Right by my name there is an underlined link that says "Send Message". That way I will have the data that you are speaking of and I can verify that it is correct.
IN THE MEANTIME anyone can see on page 5, Table 2 of the article it DOES INDEED show M78* lineages that I am saying are present. I am not going to sit and LIE about it.
@samysamy25 Actually V12, V22, V32 are SUB-CLADES OF M78 which indicate mutation patterns of M78 from Lake Nubia border Egypt/sudan. Negative does not mean NO M78 and the best comparison is MTDNA L3 which sub-clades are M and N. MTDNA L3 is East Afrikan specific and gave rise to the so-called mutations of Eur-Asian M and N. M78 in this case is an Afrikan genotype ancestor of sub-clades V12, V22, etc. EUROPE - E1b1b1a1b (E-V13). Most common type of E1b1b found in Europe...the Balkans.
Nop ! Actually worlds diversity of L3's and L3* is from North Africa Mainly Tunisia ! actually for many experts L3 can not be regarded from east africa . hence the lack of adam A-DNA in east africa supports this fact;) even more M1 seems to be very diverged and older in North africa than east africa plus N1 is absent in east africa and higher among North africans. V12 ,V22 are from Egypt/Lybia in correct senses . density population in the nubian lake does not even supports that Idea
mt-DNA Macro-Haplogroup L3 (104,000 to 84,000 YBP) is sub-divided into several clades, two of which spawned the macro-haplogroups M and N from which the vast majority of non-Africans are descended. One of these lineages, DEFINED BY THE LOSS of the DdeI site at np 10394, represents only a few percent of the African mtDNAs but appears to be the PROGENITOR of roughly half of all European, Asian and Native American mtDNAs."[6] Do not confuse the times! Tunisia - 20,000 YBP.
mt-DNA Macro-Haplogroup L3* itself is only detected in North africa and absent in east africa the same case with her sub-macro-haplogroups M and N . if You mean L3a which is higher among somalis and ethiopians then know that her TMRCA is so Younger about 14.000BC to 7000BC ! ! ! while those of Tunisia are even older than east african L3's lineages more than 20Kya.
@samysamy25 Come on Sammy, how are you going to just sit there and LIE saying L3* is not deteced in East Africa. L3 is in fact the MOST FREQUENT IN EAST AFRICA. Quit playing homey.
L3* in east africa is mainly L3a and L3i - L3a is the most frequent , worlds highest frequeny among somalis and her TMRCA is about 14ya to 7kya !! you must correct your Infos
even how ..there is no way for east africa being the original Homeland of homo-sapiens or OOA . east africa = passage way of migrations nothing else :)
@samysamy25 DO some research on what "L3a" is and its age. How can L3a only be 7-14kya when ALL non-African maternal lineages stem from its root? See Rosa a/ Brem et al 2011. All rare L3 lineages combined with L3* lineages are nearly nonexistent in your maghreb.
Lol! again. L3a in east africa is so younger .M and N does not even seems to be diverged from L3a !! and the most old one was L3h Not L3a. LOL! consult : page 9 based on 'behar et al 2008' from the paper of Rosa et al brem 2011
when we are talking about L3* in east africa its referred as L3a but in fact she still detected at 2% among southern tunisians and amazighs Turchi et al(2009), thats confirm her diversity after all in N.africa even with lowest frequencies .
(4) Sub Clades of E1b1b1a1 (E-M78), which were mostly defined by Cruciani et al. (2006). E1b1b1a1a (E-V12). Found in Egypt, Sudan...Has an important SUB-CLADE E1b1b1a1a2 (E-V32) - very common Ethiopian Oromo, Borana Oromo from Kenya and Somalis. E1b1b1a1b (E-V13) - Europe - the Balkans. E1b1b1a1c (E-V22) - Egypt, the Middle East. E1b1b1a1d (E-V65) - the Maghreb, Italy, Spain.
E1b1b1a1e (E-M521). Found in two individuals in Greece by Battaglia (2008). Y-DNA J1c3d - 5,000 YBP or 3,500 BC.
Cruciani (2007) suggests that E1b1b1a1 originated in NE Africa specifically Egypt and Libya about 18,600 years ago. Battaglia (2008) : Egypt as "a hub for the distribution of the various geographically localized M78-RELATED sub-clades" ...based on archaeological data...the point of origin of E-M78 as an isolated or relict population on the border of Sudan/Egypt, near Lake Nubia. Hassan (2008) ..SUB-CLADES of E-M78, like E-V12 & E-V22 in Sudan some 8,000 - 6,000 YBP.
By the time Islam was even in existance Kemit (Egypt) had been pillaged for thousands of years I mean you couldnt even call the Egyptians Egyptians anymore
Sammy don't waste your time with this loser blkmagic, he's saying north Africa turned white because of the Vandals, he also forgets to say the black gene is supposedly dominant. They don't know which way to go with this bullshit they keep uttering out of their mouths. do what I did with this character, block him from your page he's a waste of time and fingers.
On the one hand you want to play up the non African ancestry of some North African populations and then turn right around and pretend to still be as indigenous to Africa as black Africans that have little to no foreign ancestry. You cannot have it both ways! I understand the problem this presents for you! On one hand you want to claim Eurasian ancestry as a unique marker for Berbers but the problem there is that the Berber languages do not originate in Eurasia, but in Africa! Oh my!.
actually south african saharans have more foreign bloods than North africans In fact North africans are Paleolihtic peoples VS neolithic peoples in south of sahara ... the anthroplogical studies assumed how sub-saharans negroids are the result of adaptation with hot climate warmer environements and mixture with archaic species . if it was Not Eurasian then it was NORTH AFRICAN which means NOT negroid in any sense . Africa does not mean BLACK but the COLD CAVE ;)
How amazigh speakers are not Libyans if lybians themsleves speak tamazight until Now? Didn't you know how so easily for a moroccan to understand the libyan tamazight languages. diop is debunked a long time before and he was a student without school certificate he was tortured and threatened for a slave thats why he dislike white people. Lol! again stop spreading your non-senses as I tell you there NO DNA evidence of any arabian or european presence over continental africa;)
E haplogroup is actually Originated from the caucaziod World which is North Africa or outside africa in Eurasia however E haplogroup is about 50Kya when there was No negroids at this time ;) the most oldest negroid skulls goes back about 9Kya from nigeria . which means that negroids bantuids are a recent phenomena and new comers in africa .WRONG actually there is no continuity of lineages among sub-saharans since their lineages is HETEREOGENEOUS among each ethnic group .
Hg E has sub-clades E1a and E2 are found almost exclusively in Africa. E1B1A is the most prevalent subclade of E in Africa. E1B1B is found at high frequencies in East Africa and North Africa and is the only subclade that is found in Europe and Asia. E1B1B is common among Afro-Asiatic speakers, Nilo-Saharan, Niger-Congo speakers in East Africa and Sudan.
Wrong :! the most common Haplogroups among Niger-Congo speakers in East Africa and Sudan were A3b2 and B and NOT E1b1b1 ! Indeed Nilo-saharans does not have E1b1b1 in common but more with R1b1b in chadic and fulanis ;)
in fact E1b1b1 in east africa is mainly V32 common among Kushitic speakers the same with J1c3d in them !
E1b1b is at once the most common E subclade amongst East African Maasai, Somalis, Ethiopians, Eritreans and North African Sudanese, Egyptians, Berbers and Arabs. It is also common in West Asia, from where it spread into the Balkans and the rest of Europe. E1b1b has four common subclades: E1b1b1a (E-V68), E1b1b1b (E-V257), E1b1b1c (E-M123), and E1b1b1e (E-M293), the last of which spreads from Ethiopia to South Africa. Sub-clade - E1b1b1a1a2 (V32) - 8,500 YBP. J1c3d - 5,000 YPB.
LET me know why an afro-american like u are so obsessed with the genetics of North africa and east africa ?! as far you are not concerned either ...in ur case you should be looking for PN-2 and A3b2 plus B's plus R1b1b2a Lineages ! ! since afro-americans have these haplogroups.
@sitabanu Now if E1B1b is Y-DNA and J1C3D is Y-DNA then how can any haplogroup be real with this impossible mix of Y-DNA. So you are either confusing Y-DNA E with mt-DNA E . Be specific! "mt-DNA Haplogroup E has a Southeast Asian distribution. Until now it has been detected in the Malay peninsula populations and in the Sabah of Borneo; and it is also present in coastal Papua New Guinea as well as in Taiwan, in the Philippines, and in some Pacific islands such as Guam. "
Really you are so pathetic ! There is No DNA scientific evidence of any Germanic or European presence over North Africa it was just your afrocentric LIE. Hence anyone outside the Romano-Greeck Civilizations is called berber including Germans Celts and Amazighs which is their real name "your afrocentric stupidity" . of course there is Historical Evidence of enslaved people from south of african sahara into N.Africa mostly were women thats why we find many Mulaltoes in the desert
In addition to that Berber is a language group NOT a particular ethnic group or physical type. And Berber languages originate within the continent of Africa. Therefore, it is African. YOU keep trying to distinguish Berber from African based on ancestry and geography which is simply not correct. Berber is a distinctly African language and therefore cannot be said to originate with Eurasians from outside Africa You are attempting to identify them as both African and non African at the same time
again berber is Not the real name of amazighs ;) the amazighs are the Indigenous people of North africa from Egypt to canary islands and from Mediteranean coasts to Niger rivers . including all saharan and sahel regions . Tamazight Languages are the most Oldest AA group or PAA itself. actually we have more than 150 Tamazight languages .amazighs are the Paleolithic caucaziods africans and part of them is Hybridized in East africa and south of sahara and oasis desert
east africans are mixed essentially caucasians /OOA and proto-negroids. they are regarded as dark brown caucasians or Hybrids and NOT similar to sub-saharans like bantuids PYGMIES or khoisans ;)
somalis are 95% Eurasians their Y-DNA is from Libya/Egypt while beja are much more closer to arabs and middle easterns than they are to sub-saharans africans ;) the land of punt was not somalia or ethiopia since she was arabia or Yemen .the cushitic languages are spread it by caucasians
and dont tell me E1B1B1A is native to non black egyptians because its native to cushitic speakers.. Most of the non black egyptians are of E1B1B1A because they are mixed with cushitic speakers .. beja people i guess.
E1b1b1a is Not even originated from east africa . the basal haplogroup M78* is noticeable among moroccans and egyptians while he expanded into east africa about 4000BC from Northren sudan into east africa hence the ancestral haplogroup of E1b1b1a AKA V68 is only detected among sardinians ;)
which means E1b1b1a is caucasian paternal marker originally from north africa or Europe ;) Kushitic languages are the most youngest family among AA originally from Lybia/Egypt/canaan
LMAO this is so funny i had to laugh? North African DNA? WHat is that? its either african or not. "north african dna" is african by essence.anyway. If modern non black egyptians are lighter than they were before why did the ancient paint themselves as BROWNSKINNED? anyway LMAO. Beja people are the closest relative to ancient egyptians and early canaanites.
and African Does Not Meant BLACK;) Africa=continent just like Asia for example. North African DNA just differency between North asian DNA and southern asian DNA both we have different populations and races there. ancient egyptians don't paint themselves as Brownish BUT REDISH and women are YELOWISH they do that for symbolism and to be distinguishable from their worst enemies the Libyans. Beja aren't closer to egyptians and levantines since they are Hybrids and closer to sudanese
@samysamy25 Dumbass. its symbolism when its brown? Dumbass see how they were able to make the difference between themselves, the nubians, the berbers and the syrians in Seti I tomb. They painted Nubian as Black, Syrian as yellow, berbers as white and themselves as brown. Or is it symbolism? LMAO sit your butt down.
MOTHERFUCKER .Yeah THERE IS EGYPTIANS PAINTED GREEN BLEU BROWN BLACK RED ORANGE etc ... all these colors was used for symbolism the black is for the death . brown for the terrors . Green for the fertility Bleu for the sky and majesty etc. you can't ever Understand what the meaning of colors represent for us U MONKEYS Cuz every thing to u is black or white nothing else ! of course ancient egyptians see themselves superiors thats why they prefer using red yelow painted colors !
You are rather amusing! First of all I can refute you on genetics alone! But why you people continue to use Keita to buttress your position is beyond me! You folks clearly don't understand his position or what Keita is saying! His position is well known and well documented yet you and people like you still misinterpret it and use him as a source! That is a sign of utter desperation! You should at least use someone that agrees with your position! Soon you folks will be calling him afrocentric!
in fact 80% of egyptians are located in the delta =central coasts of egypt. while upper egyptians are darker than northren and guess what . upper egyptians are much more lighter than Yemenites and saudis according to Luschan's chromatic scale .
PS : upper egyptians are mostly J1c3d ;) just like nubians and sudanese ;)
@samysamy25 Yes you are correct about the delta being the most inhabited NOW. But if you look at ancient times nearly ALL the ancient cities are located near modern Cairo and to the south of it. The Near Eastern skin tone of this map doesnt even cover Cairo. It pretty much ONLY covers the Egyptian Delta - Which makes sense. So according to this map on your video - most of Geographic Egypt in ancient times, and where all the culture comes from is the same skin tone as Sub Saharan Africa. :)
How you find that cairo was not covred by the map of southern european skin tones both the two share the same limits of attitude and longitude in 30º00 N / 31º10 E ? ! Hence cairo is almost located in the Delta, Northren of fayum oasis where the nile is devided into three ways and multiple Tributaries..didn't you know what's the number of pre-isles in the cairo region? then accrording to you sub-saharans have a specific skin tones ? what about sahal and saharan peoples ?
@samysamy25 I am not talking about "what I think" just what YOUR video shows. I see 4 skin tones. Lets just call them Black/Brown/Tan/Pale. If i overlay a geographical map on top of this map the "BROWN" or dotted category would encompass MOST of Egypt. Cairo would not be in the "Tanned" or yellow section but also in the Brown section because Cairo is not North enough. Furthermore ALL the sites in Middle and Upper Egypt and Nubia would be in the Brown and even BLACK category.
there is Levels of color skin tones in North East Africa from 17+ to 24+ from lighter to darker ; Cairo Population is almost Delta Immigrants and their skin color is majoritarly Lighter Pale sometime white people in the Luxary regions , of course noticeable Draker Individuals in the poor regions due to the mixed population with Ex-slaves. you can't even claimed the Historical sites as a references of location for the color of skin tones. all we know ancient egyptians were LGM.
@samysamy25 You said it right here "Cairo Population is almost Delta Immigrants " - Cairo look like Delta people because they COME from the delta as YOU state. I am not talking about Immigrants. What YOUR image shows 4 ranges of skin tones levels. Delta people and their Kin in Cairo have the "tanned" colors. The ORIGINAL inhabitance of areas in Cairo and below DO NOT have the tanned skin tone but the BROWN skin tone like MOST Africans and Indians on YOUR MAP. Not rocket science. :)
Clear Admittance by u on light skinned delta in Cairo, what? original Inhabitants were darker than our days? in this point you are debunked so easily " we have the portraits of ancient egyptians in this regions" with DNA results from their Bones;) plus the environement of Egypt was Cold and he became warmer Year after Year ,anthropometric facts and Evidence;) but instead Ultraviolet Map included the cairo region plus Fayum oasis Just look at 2:50 and look at the map of egypt;)
@samysamy25 I just look at like 10 maps, Your map Barely covers Cairo, its hard to tell because your map does not have the Sinai. But i will give you Cairo, nearly ALL the rest of Egypt South of that would be "Brown".
The first Nome of Egypt up to the 22nd in the North would ALL be brown. Thebes, Naqada, Edfu, Abydos, Valley of Kings, Memphis, Amarna, Karnak etc ALL BROWN, the same as Sub Saharans. Ancient = BROWN, Modern=Tan, Modern SOUTH Egypt = Brown. YOUR MAP, not mine.
The Sinai is completely a desertic area. you do not have the right to compare the delta = one of worlds biggest density population wich is the heart of egypt with some of its desert . so Absurd ! This map shows very clearly that the north of Egypt until Fayum is similar to southern euroepan skin tones ; WRONG! except the Delta all egyptian skin tones is similar to Northren arabian, southern maghrebians, central americans in USA , latino ; Northren indian skin tones.
@samysamy25 talking about skin tone.. AE painted themselves as BROWN/red skinned.. more like Beja features to me. And the worst part is that they had AFROS and BRAIDS... Lmao.. Beja people are still wearing those kind of hairstyle LMAO so funny. And oh the bedawi language spoken by them is close to ancient egyptian . t'en dis quoi hein?
AE didn't painted themselevs brown skinned but redish and Yellowish for women ! and beja are hybrids admixed caucasians and sub-saharans negroids while ancient Egyptians were fully CAUCAZIODS OF LGM ORIGINS and not even closer to east africans or sudanese groups but more towards maghrebians and levantines and southern europeans than to your bullshits !! again ancient egyptians egyptianized their southern territories . their nubians slaves were egyptianized by culture . Tla7 daba;)
Again this map shows Modern Ultraviolet diffusion in the world and she does NOT EVEN represents the Past of any Population Including Egypt. Wrong! Ultaviolet map does not even shows the same levels of skin tones among sub-saharans thats if you look so carefully How central africa does not even share the same Colors with other sub-saharans but commun with Non-Africans like Yemenites;)
Von Lushcan Scall does Not even shows any similarities of egyptian skin tones with sub-saharans
@AfricaTeacher You are right. Thebes, Naqda, Abydos.. the blacks living there are mostly Beja.. and Oh.. tell him about the siwa berbers... WHy the hell they look black? it was proved that they didnt mix since the ancient time.
SSA among siwa berbers took 70 %of their maternal lineages ...those berbers are mixed with sub-saharan negroid females since the historical times and siwis does not look like black but hybrids = mixed caucasian and negroids ex-slaves ;) however black is a color I prefer talking about BANTUS .dumbass ;)
@samysamy25 Ex slave? lmao sit your fat ass down! Black egyptians descent from two ethnic group : Beja and Nubians. Last time i checked, nubians were warriors, and Beja were warrior too. Thats a dumb anachronism. Blacks were only slaves troughout all history? dumbass. Beja built ancient egypt and Nubians built Nubia. Modern non black egyptians are just hybrid people who are genetically close to Beja and Nubians. And the funny part of the video is that.. (suite)
again Non-senses ...these claims are based from your typical afro-american "Dream World " ; and what makes you think that sub-saharans bantuids weren't slaves and Ex-slaves ?! didn't you know that slavery is right know frequent among sub-saharans themselves they enslaved their owns if you don't know that ! Beja weren't the same in location and Historical memory as Nubians but they are hybrids of the same roots clasisfied as Aethiopids mixed caucasian- negroid sub-saharans!
@samysamy25 1) i am not african american dumbass , i am north african . 2) theres no bantu presence in Egypt nor in East Africa, genetically and historically speaking. Beja live troughout all Egypt and it was proved that they even went in the middle east. They domesticated the donkey in egypt 6,000 years ago and introduced it in the levant. "caucasian " "negroid are debunked terms.
YOU ARE A MONKEY from USA an ex-slave descendant of some dirty bantuids living in the USA thats all . I know what a kinda of lies you keep spreading over the Internet ..if u r what you dream on then I AM THE GOD ITSELF .so what do you think ? Huh ? Egypt is not even closer to east africa but more to north africa and Near east and southern europe according to Lucotte 2002 . the people who domesticated horses and donkeys since 8000 BC were capsians from north africa and near east
@samysamy25 you're saying that they modern non black egyptians are more black than they were before. Hassan proved in 2008 that Copts were genetically close to nubians and they didnt mix with them since ancient time.. Really? LMAO
I never said that ..U monkey stop your symentics U Gorillas ! I said ancient egyptians were much more lighter and whiter than our days ..Hasan 2008 ET AL prove that modern sudanese DNA is fully Eurasian hence sudanese from Khertoum area are biologically 95% Eurasians .sudanese copts nubians Amhara beja and Tingraya share with arabs the same paternal line AKA J1c3d Y-dna Chr at levels from 80% to 30%
@samysamy25 Gorillas? you cave chimp. Hassan showed that Nubians and Copts were genetically close , yet they are no intermixing between the two proving it happened during ancient times. If they are darker now.. wow LMAO i wonder why they painted themselves as brownskinned. uh.. it means now that if they paint themselves they should use the black color. Nono. Fayoum mummies are no different than any non black egyptians.
Hassan et al 2008 shows clearly that Y-DNA Chr of all modern sudanese is fully Eurasian at 85%
again Monkey MAKAK repeat it again and again it was NOT BROWN PAINTINGS but REDDISH AND YELLOWISH ...FAYUM portraits shows clairly caucasians people not even sub-saharans negroids or Hybrids like east africans indeed east africans are not even similar or closer to you bantuids monkeys ..just be proud of what you are really ...pathetic bantu american ;)
and do you think really that sub-saharans are the same ? or that tanned khoisans share with other "SUB-SAHARANS' the same skin color ? instead ; sahel and saharan people are more lighter than east africans and those weren't even similar to urs or they share the same level of darkest skin color with others mainly Bantus ;) in ancient time egyptians were much more lighter than our days since they were LGM population that are expanded to the warmer environements of North africa.
LOL U IDIOTS.ANCIENT EUROPEANS LIVING DURING THE TIME OF ANCIENT EGYPT EVEN DOCUMENTED THE EGYPTIANS WERE BLACK.AND THEY SAW THE EGYPTIANS WITH THEIR OWN EYES.YOU HABITUAL LIARS NEED TO GET A LIFE.
LOL U RACIST IDIOTS KILL ME WITH YOUR BS LIES.MODERN EGYPTIANS ARENT ARAB EVEN THOUGH THEY SPEAK ARAB & ITS DOCUMENTED THEY COLONIZED EGYPT IN THE 7TH CENTURY A.D?LOL AND CAN SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY THE EARLIEST KEMETIC (EGYPT IS NOT THE ORIGINAL NAME) STATUES ARE OF NEGROES?WAITING.LOL
@samysamy25 ---------- CLARIFICATION: So, are you saying that SOY KEITA and KOBE BRYANT are the same "CAUCASIAN MIXED" types as the ANCIENT EGYPTIANS ??? OR Are you saying that they are simply "BLACK" MEN with BROWN SKIN ??? ---------- Also, do YOU look more like an BROWN SKINNED ANCIENT EGYPTIAN or a WHITE SKINNED ANCIENT LIBYAN ??? ---------- In addition, how much SUB-HUMAN, NEANDERTAL DNA do YOU have... 1,2,3 or 4% ??? ----------
it does not mean that Northren Egyptians are not lighter specially for those of coastal Mediteranea even if Von Luschan's chromatic scale shows other ways but we all know that Northren egyptians are lighter than upper egyptians but our scale does not shows this differences .it shows the same level of degrees! anyhow Ultraviolet skin color was also an authentic study referenced by Von Luschan's chromatic scale.
@samysamy25 Sure. Some of his scale also shows that East meds are dark where this fact is really not the case. Some of these meds i.e Levantines and specially the christians possess light pigmentation.
One thing i know is that Satan rules this world only to a certain extinct, meaning what God allows him. I know for a fact Satan lies and says the Jews are white and he will even summon his earthly demons to put out that lie. He would also say the Egyptians were not black plain and simple he is the father of lies and I would expect to see little to no truth in this world. You are believe so call information from your father, the devil.
@YahawahTheGreat your father is a flea infested Baboon, When we found you in sub saharan africa, you were living worse thanpeople did thousands of years ago, You take cow piss showers. Monkey looking freak.
homo-sapiens are descandants of archaic homo-sapiens and those archaic are cousins of neanderthals and sometime they looked like neanderthals and we share with them one ancestor wich is Anthrepolus Maurutanicus :) and he was so different than other Homonids "so specific" and he lived in earth before 3 millions to 1 milion of years
Why didn't rhesus positive blond haired tribes in eastern scandanavia/europe develop this mutation and why is it generally only select areas of europe where you can find a significant ratio among some peoples in some areas with non-monkey rhesus negative blood?
And a squad of black skinned Africans in one place on Chad River
@lucaine00 That's false, Tut was found to have North African Caucasian DNA, but if you want to believe otherwise that's okay
TheBigfranco1 1 week ago
@lucaine00 What ever you say negro, stop living a fantasy and your probobly some African American living in the hood looking for something to boost your self esteem.
TheBigfranco1 1 week ago
@TheBigfranco1 Oh yeah and new studies also revealed that Tut died of sickle cell.
lucaine00 1 week ago
@TheBigfranco1 Very typical of you to insult when you are presented with the truth.
lucaine00 1 week ago
@TheThirdEye20 Sure blacks have a culture, like Zulus, Ghana, Ethiopia, etc. But I'm talking about you slave descended Afrocentrist! If you wanna claim a culture you should try finding out what West African tribes you are descended from!
TheBigfranco1 2 weeks ago
@TheBigfranco1 King Tut and Family's DNA shows sub-Saharan African ties
DNATribes, a genomics company that specializes in tracing individuals' ancestry to certain global populations has recently subjected the published STRs of Pharaoh Tutankhamun and family to their analysis. They report that the closest living relatives of the mummies are sub-Saharan Africans, especially those from Southern Africa and the Great Lakes region.
lucaine00 1 week ago
@TheThirdEye20 Egypt is not a black civilization, DEAL WITH IT, neither are the Arabs, Hebrews, Chinese, Olmecs, Greeks, Italians, or any other civilization you Afrocentrist try to claim. But deep down you have shame in your West African slave roots and you want to claim other cultures.
TheBigfranco1 2 weeks ago
@TheBigfranco1
WOW! I Seem to have missing your Rhetoric of Bigot Correctness to me.
But to begin with, you don’t know my ethnicity and unlike you're imaginary boogieman you're projecting from within yourself upon me, I'm very much proud of who I am "AS" I am in every way without a hint of shame in any form.
And to the contrary, it is YOU(people) that need to "DEAL WITH THE FACTS" that Egypt/Egyptians are not a white civilization.
TheThirdEye20 1 week ago
@TheBigfranco1
What happened to the Blacks ruling Ancient Egypt is fundamentally no different to what happened to their relatives (the Blacks) in South Africa under the Apartheid and elsewhere. (Including the American Indians for that matter). They were initially befriended, gained their trust then overthrown. The victor performs “Ethnic Cleansing” while pillaging the land and its populous of wealth/knowledge/tools/art effects and more.
TheThirdEye20 1 week ago
@TheBigfranco1
But given your historical track record of racism, at which point did it began to matter to you people, the skin-color of the people of color? Whereas according to your yet perpetual practices of bigot correctness, you’ve been quite indiscriminant of any “persons of color”! And those Egyptians you “NOW” flipped the script to re-label as “Non-Blacks”, also suffered “As Blacks” at the hands of you people even during the civil rights movement.
TheThirdEye20 1 week ago
@TheBigfranco1
Ironically, there are light-skin Bi-racial (black+???) that are much lighter than the Egyptians you speak of, yet you’ve often infer them as black while claiming the Egyptians are not? And what of this “One Drop Rule” pseudo-nonsense concocted by you people to support your psychotically racist beliefs. Did you expunge it after realizing it was pure buffoonery? Wonder how many innocent lives were lost before arriving to that judgment call?
TheThirdEye20 1 week ago
@TheBigfranco1
Thus as you and those of your ilk can clearly see, no matter where you turn to point your blame finger(s), one needs only to follow that trail before eventually finding your tracks.
The problems you complain and/or fight about are nothing more than a war you’re having with your own devilish manifestations and iniquities, both wittingly and unwittingly.
But it will not stop until you people own up and STOP IT!
TheThirdEye20 1 week ago
I meant to say steal
TheBigfranco1 2 weeks ago
@TheThirdEye20 it mattered when Afrocentrist try to style other people's cultures when they have none of their own.
TheBigfranco1 2 weeks ago
@TheBigfranco1 RE:>it mattered when Afrocentrist try to steal other people's cultures when they have none of their own.<
WRONG! (again)
It matters when "Bigoted Correctness" Fortifies itself with stolen legacies and by desecrating the "Origins" of such, in order to claim it.
Which then leads to the oxymoronic belief that blacks exists without a culture, yet alone a history.
But lack of knowledge coupled with dinner table rhetoric often leads to such arrivals you’ve asserted.
TheThirdEye20 2 weeks ago
@HEADSTRONG566 You dumbass coons cant even stick to one story, some Afrocentrist on YouTube thinks Arabs are black, look up the video Arabs are black
TheBigfranco1 2 weeks ago
@TheBigfranco1
yet according to whites, even light skin people are assumed black for generations.
So then the question is, at which point in history did the color of the people of color begin to matter to whites?
Was this after generations of "Bigotedly Correct" behaviors finally caught up, expired and then bit them in the rear?
TheThirdEye20 2 weeks ago
mummy DNA would not tell you what the population of Egypt would have been.. Just like Having a President of the United States will not tell u the race of all Americans.
creolelady70 3 weeks ago
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Lies,
Watch this : /watch?v=uA-Mt4y2tAQ&feature=related
Watch these also:
1) Freemans videos. Start here: /watch?v=3foCSWVCx1Y&feature=related
2) Davidsons videos. Start here: /watch?v=3w1x8nVD4xs&feature=related this also: /watch?v=uZKMzU207MM&feature=related
3) Ashra videos: Start here: /watch?v=KaWrpd-OSPo also this: /watch?v=oM9z8gY1HL8&feature=related
4) Watch other videos and make your owned educatged judgement.
Ancientafrica 1 month ago
YES!!!! DNA studies show no Greek or Roman ancestry in Egyptians-
THE EGIPTIANS ARE EGYPTIANS
FILMANLAND 1 month ago
YES, THE EGYPTIANS ARE EGYPTIANS, NOT SUBSAHARIAN PEOPLE. ARE NORTH-AFRICAN PEOPLE
FILMANLAND 1 month ago
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Such arguments appear riddled by an underlying hatred to the idea of Dark-Skin (Blacks) authoritative figures of Ancient Egypt and seem desperate to pacify or rescue the egos and arrogances for a belief of Whites seeding ancient Egypt while ignoring their appearances being genetically non-indigenous to the climate,let along the area.
There has yet to be the MOTHER OF ALL DNA ANALYSIS from a “Multinational” scientific program, from the ground to the spreadsheets, “IN PLAIN VIEW AT *ALL* TIMES”
TheThirdEye20 1 month ago
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In all the many ways the Egyptian story gets told, there IS always that one particular most basic piece of hard evidence that is more realistic to Black Egyptian Ancestry!
It’s as pure as day, Literally! Ergo, -The Egyptian "SUN"
In all simplicity, the Egyptian populaces are portrayed as being loosely garmented in DIRECT blazing sun light. Where their complaints of skin complications from the indigenous people of the era?
Historians managed to write about everything else!
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KEMET /EGYPT HAD 33 DYNASTIES THERE ARE KINGS AND PHAROS YOU NEVER HEAR ABOUT ASK YOUR SELF WHY SUCH AS NARMER MENES,TAHARQA, KUFU AND COUNTLESS OTHERS YOU ONLY GET TO HEAR ABOUT CERTIN PHAROS AND CERTIN TIMELINES 90% OF EGYPTIAN HISTORY IS HIDDEN TO DISCREDIT THE MASSIVE AFRICAN INFLUENCE IN HISTORY ARABS AND OTHER NON AFRICAN TRIBES SETTLED ON THE BOARDERS OF NORTHERN AFRICA AROUND 640 A.D AND HAVE REMAINED THERE SINCE ETHIOPIA REALLY SET THE STAGE FOR EGYPTIAN HISTORY ZAHI HAWASS IS A FRAUD
HEADSTRONG566 2 months ago
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KEMET /EGYPT HAD 33 DYNASTIES THERE ARE KINGS AND PHAROS YOU NEVER HEAR ABOUT ASK YOUR SELF WHY SUCH AS NARMER MENES,TAHARQA, KUFU AND COUNTLESS OTHERS YOU ONLY GET TO HEAR ABOUT CERTIN PHAROS AND CERTIN TIMELINES 90% OF EGYPTIAN HISTORY IS HIDDEN TO DISCREDIT THE MASSIVE AFRICAN INFLUENCE IN HISTORY ARABS AND OTHER NON AFRICAN TRIBES SETTLED ON THE BOARDERS OF NORTHERN AFRICA AROUND 640 A.D AND HAVE REMAINED THERE SINCE ETHIOPIA REALLY SET THE STAGE FOR EGYPTIAN HISTORY ZAHI HAWASS IS A FRAUD
HEADSTRONG566 2 months ago
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Melanin responsible for skin pigmentation, is insoluble & is preserved for millions of years in Mummies skins. Epidermis is the main site of the melanin, but the melanocytes penetrating the derm at the boundary between it and the epidermis, even where the latter has mostly been destroyed by the embalming materials, show a melanin
level which is non-existent in the white-skinned races.
thus classifying the ancient Egyptians unquestionably among the black races.
Cheikh Anta Diop
ROTFL
Raybanmonster 2 months ago
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@samysamy25 & @sitabanu "Race is a social construct, not a scientific classification," Robert S. Schwartz, M.D. wrote (in "Race Is a Poor Measure," New England Journal of Medicine, Vol. 344, No. 18, May 3, 2001). "Any attempt to establish lines of division among biological populations is both arbitrary and subjective." Perhaps this why the Ancients Africans/Greeks did not think in terms of race but region, my point is racial hierarchy is a man made socio politico construct used...
scorpianbliz 2 months ago
I'm not a geneologist but looking at a cross section of N African populations, the first pie chart looks just about right. North African/ Eurasian and a very small black section.
celeriacmarcus 3 months ago
@ASuperEgyptian Just because you can cite a scientific study doesn't mean the basis for it's conclusions aren't criticized by the scientific community. It is not an opinion that a man 50% white can look less stereotypically white than a guy only 25% white. Or that one mulatto can pass for white, while another looks stereotypically black. Phenotype doesn't give figures for proportions of racial lineage, nor did whites care. if you had any ancestry that was native to Africa, you'd be black.
Omorose33 3 months ago
@Omorose33 I m not failing to understand anything. The phenotype does pertain to racial groupings,as does craniology,femur ,dna,scientific proof. Ive already supplied proof of migrations/invasions have not impacted the indigenous population.
Come one get real- a few thousand invaders/migraters cannot breed 8 million Egyptians ,completely out,a ficticious fanatsy of yours. Stop referencing afrocentric sources. No one is denying your west african history.
ASuperEgyptian 3 months ago
@ASuperEgyptian
Phenotype doesn't pertain to racial groupings. Mulattoes who looked stereotypically white for example worked the fields or the house with darker blacks & faced laws against blacks too. African descent was the key not phenotype. Nubians, Assyrians, Hyksos over the periods of thousands of years can add to the genetics of populations already there. Supposing not, so what? Most blacks have white ancestors (at least 1 great grand parent). More immediate than many modern Egyptians.
Omorose33 3 months ago
@Omorose33 Your personal opinions is not scientific fact. They add no value to the origins of the ancient Egyptians. So unless you can prove to me that Egyptians were "negriods",then please do,you Do not keep trying to debate your afrocentric babble to me. Im not really interested in your amateur views
Too bad for you that:
"Around 39,000–52,000 years ago, the western Asian branch spread radially, bringing Caucasians to North Africa "Maca-Meyer, et al. 2001(Molak;2008)
ASuperEgyptian 3 months ago
@ASuperEgyptian the ancient egyptians were of the meditterraean race?
HispAztec 1 month ago
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Caucasoid and Aryan is old and fallacious thinking... Both the people of the Caucasus Mountains and Aryans come from a mix of tribes with light and dark skin and differing textures of hair, and not just pale skin. The Europeans want pale skin to = a "Race", but it does not. Other than lost of pigmentation, the European has no characteristics that can't be found in other non-Europeans.
Born2Flesh 6 months ago
A recent DNA study that over 75% if the Swedish are direct descendants the Pharaoh tut. This video means very little. We know who built the pyrimads, The biggest was built by a Pharaoh called Kufu who was not of modern Egyptian stock.
SkillerMega 6 months ago
@777valetudo If they decree it? Yes. The real question of today is will they? BTW many whites were essentially called the derogatory N word like the Irish and weren't truly accepted as white until later down the line. I'm not refuting strawman arguments. I'm pointing out your examples refute nothing. There's no physiological differences apparent in virtually every member of a particular race that can make the case of distinct differences between races. Stuff like sickle cell doesn't change that
Omorose33 6 months ago
@777valetudo Race is identified through at best, stereotypical morphological & physiological differences. sickle cell can be of higher frequency to a racial group, but it's not exclusive to them, nor do all members have to even have it. So it doesn't adequately define who IS black from whose white through biology. Same with genetic markers. Members of either race can defy stereotypical morphological and physiological distinctions and still be of their race.
Omorose33 6 months ago
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Omorose33 6 months ago
@777valetudo forensics employ probability for what someone's race is, not certainty. It is not infallible, because race isn't biological and there's no physical trait that will definitively distinguish all blacks from all whites. Still many will understandably argue that it gives law enforcement more of a direction to start with than nothing.
Omorose33 6 months ago
Race is a social construct, not a biological one. I'm not understanding why Afrocentrists and Eurocentrists sit around talking about DNA markers and trying to make racial groups when race has long been dismissed by the scientific community. Why don't they simply talk about where the culture of Egypt came from? Mutations that could've very well happened on their own from within Egypt don't prove the culture Egyptians used were from Africa, Asia or Europe.
MikoDollie 6 months ago
Which idiot said that Egyptians are Arabs? They are a collection of Arabs, Europeans and Asian but mostly Africans. According to Islamic Scholars, anyone whose mother tongue is Arabic is an Arab. But this is from a linguistic POV. What some people have mixed up is language with genetics.
thesageofdubai 7 months ago
@sitabanu
keep playing your own ! africa does not mean Black its a continent ...there is No way to lumped such Markers that are absent and not even diverged in south of desert with modern Negroids .
samysamy25 7 months ago
@sitabanu
L3d ; L3b mainly common among sub-saharans western africans and its TMRCA is about 30kya to 2kya
L3e so diverged and its TMRCA from 3Kya to 50Kya .depends in each african population somewhere from sahel and saharan area from sudan to mauretania
the most old L3's one is L3h higher among tunisians and tanzanians "lack of L3 diversity among tanzanians". L3k North african marker TMRCA about 20Kya to 40Kya
anyhow L3 lineages seems to be very old and even not related to proto-negroids
samysamy25 7 months ago
@sitabanu
Bantu in the Congo language a set of some four hundred peoples speaking related languagescalled Bantu. In Africa, they are presented from west to east of Gabon in Comoros and north to southern Sudan to Namibia. These varied ethnic groups cover the entire southern part of Africa
samysamy25 7 months ago
Dude stfu. We al know the Egyptians were black. Don't believe this garbage people. Look up the real history for yourselves
dfg93353 7 months ago
The ancient egyptian are black. What white people get confuse from is the Ptolemaic dynasty the last 305 years of ancient egyptian that was ruled by a family of Greeks from Alexander the great to cleopatra. Yes during that time rulers were white but that doesn't count for the other 3,000 years of egypt like the pyramids, religion, culture, art, writing, etc All that come from black people.
CerromeX 8 months ago
@CerromeX
ancient egyptians were not Bantus or congoids like the afro-americans ! and black meant color Not race ;)
samysamy25 8 months ago
@samysamy25 what fuck are you talking about ? Black is Black from sub-saharan africa
CerromeX 8 months ago
@CerromeX
and not all sub-saharans claimed themselves as black ! in south of desert there is more than 650 languages and about 2550 of different ethnic groups . hence khoisan are tanned not black and negroid can't be tanned
samysamy25 8 months ago
@samysamy25 Man they black You know what Black I'm talking about
CerromeX 8 months ago
@CerromeX
actually Black is a color NOT a race ..sub-saharans Identify themselves in relationship with their ethnic background even if they share the same colors and features . one from the flumbe is not like another one from Mandebe or Mande or wolof and Bamaki etc ....indeed the most common color among them was DARK skin Not black skin
samysamy25 8 months ago
@samysamy25 The ancient Egyptian pre Greek Roman and Arab invasion wrote they came from the beginning of the Nile. That would be in the heart of southern central Africa in the Great lakes region. These words Bantus and congoids aren't African terms. They are western white terms designed and used for confusing and dividing African people from their point of view.
arronnov 7 months ago
@arronnov
Biologically Roman and arab ancestry is nearly Null among Modern Egyptians ;) In fact we have Lack of Local mtDNA (maternal discontinuity ) remplaced by sub-saharan maternal side due to the recent trade slavery into the markets of Egypt. Bantus is simply a technical word who identify the Major Population of south of sahara in fact bantus and sub-saharans plus afro-americans belongs mostly to the Nigero-Congolese groups in Equatorial africa. indeed! those africans are not the same!
samysamy25 7 months ago
@samysamy25 Please stop with the sub-saharan middle east bantus and etc! These words are part the western white program. They change or make up names to suit its interest in matters. IE the ancient Egyptian! This propaganda is not going to work on somebody who's awake to the plot the whites and their writing on history. The past 600 to the present has been par for the coarse every where western white civilization has gone it has changed and claimed things to suit its purposes.
arronnov 7 months ago
Thanks man for your video
I think the guy named keita or what ever has actually made his hypothesis of Ancient Egyptian and North African was mainly to get fame in the scientist circle; he has got some fame in the Afrocentrism circle but lost creditably as a doctor world wide. I am not sure if which of Afrocentrism or World concerns him the most.
ahmedzs1 8 months ago
@ahmedzs1 "Dr. `Shomarka` (S.O.Y.) `Keita` is an African American biological anthropologist and physician affiliated with the National Human Genome Center of Howard University and Department of Anthropology of the Smithsonian Institution, who is interested in the biocultural origins and histories of African people." Do not try to de-legitimize his credentials in the Genome specialty. His work has been PEER REVIEWED unlike the DNA testing of King Tut!
sitabanu 7 months ago
HI
i'm Egyptian I think that the Egyptians are a mixture of the Pharaohs, the Arabs and the Greeks and Romans and African
so in Egypt you can find white , Half black , black and yellow
but it doesn't matter we are humans only
then prefer to call myself an Egyptian human
aezat123 8 months ago
This is completely false the modern Egyptians are Arabs that came into Egypt in 640AD & after. they have no lineage in Africa at all. The Egyptians came from the interior of Africa. Blacks were in Egypt froms its beginning. the modern day Egyptians are semites(Asiatics) who the Egyptians despised. North Aficans are really Asian immagrants.
garychldress74 8 months ago
@samysamy25 - Sammy just because you are not smart enough to read the data and know it exists.....that doesn't mean its NOT there. E-M78* not only exist in Sudan but in SOUTHERN and WESTERN Sudanese Nilotic groups. It was also found in a higher frequency than it was in Egypt. Hassan et al 2008, Page 5, Table 2.
AfricaTeacher 9 months ago
@AfricaTeacher
from the table its was V22 among nilotics according to DYS calculations .. Lol ! even Hasan Et Al 2008 find V22 higher among fulanis at 31% and other nilots hence the basal M78* is not even detected among them ! lets see who is less smarter ;) BANTUS ... and guess what (suite)
samysamy25 9 months ago
@samysamy25 NO - the Nilotic speakers had M78*, V12, V22, AND V32. I told you EXACTLY where you could find it in the article and you still could not figure it out. I will post it again. Hassan et al 2008, Page 5, Table 2.
Yes V12 and V22 DID in fact return from Egypt, that is not what I am talking about. I am speaking of the E-M78* ancestral marker having a presence in Sub Saharan East Africa (Sudan). This just means your earlier statement is WRONG.
AfricaTeacher 9 months ago
@AfricaTeacher
returned? M78* is 0% in North east africa except egypt while its ancestor V68* is exlusively European . and how you can claimed such STUPID Personnal Ideas in DENIAL with Hassan et al. who suggest that V22 like V12, have entered Sudan from N.Africa "after the progressive desertification of Sahara about 6kya. They add that the gene flow to Sudan is not only recent (Holocene onward & that most speakers of Nilot languages) Hence we know nilotics r under M78+ only for V32+ V22+ V12+
samysamy25 9 months ago
@AfricaTeacher
Hassan et al. (2008) also reported a significant presence in neighboring Sudan, making up about 30% of the diverse range of the country's E-M78 lineages in their study, including 8 out of 26 Fulani (about 31%), a widely-dispersed pastoral people. E-V22 was also present in much smaller frequencies amongst the Shilluk (2 of 15 samples, 13%) and Dinka (3 of 26, 11.5%) Nilotes of Southern Sudan.
samysamy25 9 months ago
@AfricaTeacher
Hassan et al. suggest that V22 like V12, have entered Sudan from N.Africa "after the progressive desertification of Sahara about 6kya. They add that the gene flow to Sudan is not only recent (Holocene onward & that most speakers of Nilot languages, the major linguistic family spoken in the country, show little evidence of gene flow and demonstrate low migration rate, with exception of Nubians, who appear to have sustained considerable gene flow from Asia Europe together with Beja
samysamy25 9 months ago
@AfricaTeacher
NOP ! all DYS Markers from the Table are DYS19=12 to DYS19=27; close matches to Hubbs who have V22. Indeed M78+ was Positive for all V series SNPs V12+ V22+ V32+ results in all its Excel samples Hence. IT DOES NOT INCLUDING any Negative sample for M78+ of Hasan et Al 2008
So far more E-M78* are found outside of Egypt "Gurna" like in Morocco, Spain, Sardinia and two among Albanians and one Guanche . and recently two Irish .
you try so hard to claimed such things never existed
samysamy25 9 months ago
@samysamy25 You STILL dont get it. if they were Positive for the V22 SNP then they would have been listed as V22 like many were, and NOT listed as M78* - Either the SNP is there or its NOT. If they test for V12,V22,V32,V65 and V13 and they dont find ANY of those SNPs in an individual that is M78+ then that individual is listed as M78*. There are TWO samples in that study that are M78* - ANYONE READING THIS CAN VERIFY - Hassan et al 2008, Page 5, Table 2. NOW HOW can I verify what YOU SAY?
AfricaTeacher 9 months ago
@AfricaTeacher
they weren't listed for V22 cause they aren't calculated but still +V22 ! hence all the snp and Dys markers from the excel table of Hasan et al 2008 are positive and equivalent for V12+,V22+,V32+ and Negative for V13 .V65 & M78*! so NOW YOU GET IT ? again there is no snp positive for M78* in all Hasan et al 2008 samples if there WAS JUST even one. he will declared its presence but he don't ! LOL how they don't find any positive snp's for M78+ and their DYS is 19=12 to 8=27 ?
samysamy25 9 months ago
@samysamy25 WHERE IS THE SPREADSHEET? - I say FACTS that verifiable in the study that we are talking about.. You speak of some phantom spreadsheet that comes from god knows where. FURTHERMORE "DYS is 19=12 to 8=27" are STRs not SNPs.
Different STRs can fall under a number of different Haplogroups. It doesn't really mean anything. OTOH if the SNP is there then you are not ancestral. PLEASE name your source of M78* being later classified as V22 when V22 was typed the FIRST TIME AROUND.
AfricaTeacher 9 months ago
@AfricaTeacher
Lol ! again ... its Not variable since we have the calculations of DYS19=12 to DYS19=2 that gives to us close matches to Hubbs who have V22 V32 V12 positives SNP's for M78 Lineages in the excel table of Hasan et al 2008 . GET IT RIGHT NOW ? In fact they aren't Even under any postives matches for any other different Haplogroups or for M78* as you claimed . but only we have different STR's like DYS388=13 /17 /22 equivalent and positive for J1c3 Y-dna Chr for example !
samysamy25 9 months ago
@samysamy25 Hassan 2008 has NO ATTACHED supplemental! This entire argument could have been ended a LONG TIME AGO -send an email to the Excel doc. Otherwise the argument is this:
(1) Sammy: Sub Saharan Africa has no E-M78*
(2) Me: Hassan et al , Page 5, Table 2 shows, V12, V22, V32 AND E-M78* all within Sudanese Nilo-Saharan folk.
(3) Sammy: there is this Excel sheet that says M78* is really V22
(4) Me: They tested for V22 the first time, show me the Excel sheet.
(5) Sammy: .....nothing,.
AfricaTeacher 9 months ago
@AfricaTeacher
LOL ! really ?actually Hassan 2008 has his attached supplemental DATA in DNA BANK if you don't know . as far we Have FTDNA sudanese samples mostly J1c3d-Y dna Chr at 70% Max . Great Admittance by you assuming that sub-saharans are 0% of M78* including southern nilotics and then their Northren groups in saharan regions. Excel table of hassan et al shows clearly that all M78 Lineages among sudanese were V12, V22, V32 and not even Negative which means NO M78* in anyway;)
samysamy25 8 months ago
@samysamy25 LINK PLEASE. Please email the link Sammy so I can verify it myself. Click on my name at the bottom of this post. This will take you to my profile. Right by my name there is an underlined link that says "Send Message". That way I will have the data that you are speaking of and I can verify that it is correct.
IN THE MEANTIME anyone can see on page 5, Table 2 of the article it DOES INDEED show M78* lineages that I am saying are present. I am not going to sit and LIE about it.
AfricaTeacher 8 months ago
@samysamy25 Actually V12, V22, V32 are SUB-CLADES OF M78 which indicate mutation patterns of M78 from Lake Nubia border Egypt/sudan. Negative does not mean NO M78 and the best comparison is MTDNA L3 which sub-clades are M and N. MTDNA L3 is East Afrikan specific and gave rise to the so-called mutations of Eur-Asian M and N. M78 in this case is an Afrikan genotype ancestor of sub-clades V12, V22, etc. EUROPE - E1b1b1a1b (E-V13). Most common type of E1b1b found in Europe...the Balkans.
sitabanu 7 months ago
@sitabanu
Nop ! Actually worlds diversity of L3's and L3* is from North Africa Mainly Tunisia ! actually for many experts L3 can not be regarded from east africa . hence the lack of adam A-DNA in east africa supports this fact;) even more M1 seems to be very diverged and older in North africa than east africa plus N1 is absent in east africa and higher among North africans. V12 ,V22 are from Egypt/Lybia in correct senses . density population in the nubian lake does not even supports that Idea
samysamy25 7 months ago
@samysamy25 -
mt-DNA Macro-Haplogroup L3 (104,000 to 84,000 YBP) is sub-divided into several clades, two of which spawned the macro-haplogroups M and N from which the vast majority of non-Africans are descended. One of these lineages, DEFINED BY THE LOSS of the DdeI site at np 10394, represents only a few percent of the African mtDNAs but appears to be the PROGENITOR of roughly half of all European, Asian and Native American mtDNAs."[6] Do not confuse the times! Tunisia - 20,000 YBP.
sitabanu 7 months ago
@sitabanu
mt-DNA Macro-Haplogroup L3* itself is only detected in North africa and absent in east africa the same case with her sub-macro-haplogroups M and N . if You mean L3a which is higher among somalis and ethiopians then know that her TMRCA is so Younger about 14.000BC to 7000BC ! ! ! while those of Tunisia are even older than east african L3's lineages more than 20Kya.
samysamy25 7 months ago
@samysamy25 Come on Sammy, how are you going to just sit there and LIE saying L3* is not deteced in East Africa. L3 is in fact the MOST FREQUENT IN EAST AFRICA. Quit playing homey.
AfricaTeacher 7 months ago 2
@AfricaTeacher
L3* in east africa is mainly L3a and L3i - L3a is the most frequent , worlds highest frequeny among somalis and her TMRCA is about 14ya to 7kya !! you must correct your Infos
even how ..there is no way for east africa being the original Homeland of homo-sapiens or OOA . east africa = passage way of migrations nothing else :)
samysamy25 7 months ago
@samysamy25 DO some research on what "L3a" is and its age. How can L3a only be 7-14kya when ALL non-African maternal lineages stem from its root? See Rosa a/ Brem et al 2011. All rare L3 lineages combined with L3* lineages are nearly nonexistent in your maghreb.
AfricaTeacher 7 months ago
@AfricaTeacher
Lol! again. L3a in east africa is so younger .M and N does not even seems to be diverged from L3a !! and the most old one was L3h Not L3a. LOL! consult : page 9 based on 'behar et al 2008' from the paper of Rosa et al brem 2011
when we are talking about L3* in east africa its referred as L3a but in fact she still detected at 2% among southern tunisians and amazighs Turchi et al(2009), thats confirm her diversity after all in N.africa even with lowest frequencies .
samysamy25 7 months ago
(4) Sub Clades of E1b1b1a1 (E-M78), which were mostly defined by Cruciani et al. (2006). E1b1b1a1a (E-V12). Found in Egypt, Sudan...Has an important SUB-CLADE E1b1b1a1a2 (E-V32) - very common Ethiopian Oromo, Borana Oromo from Kenya and Somalis. E1b1b1a1b (E-V13) - Europe - the Balkans. E1b1b1a1c (E-V22) - Egypt, the Middle East. E1b1b1a1d (E-V65) - the Maghreb, Italy, Spain.
E1b1b1a1e (E-M521). Found in two individuals in Greece by Battaglia (2008). Y-DNA J1c3d - 5,000 YBP or 3,500 BC.
sitabanu 7 months ago
@AfricaTeacher
Cruciani (2007) suggests that E1b1b1a1 originated in NE Africa specifically Egypt and Libya about 18,600 years ago. Battaglia (2008) : Egypt as "a hub for the distribution of the various geographically localized M78-RELATED sub-clades" ...based on archaeological data...the point of origin of E-M78 as an isolated or relict population on the border of Sudan/Egypt, near Lake Nubia. Hassan (2008) ..SUB-CLADES of E-M78, like E-V12 & E-V22 in Sudan some 8,000 - 6,000 YBP.
sitabanu 7 months ago
By the time Islam was even in existance Kemit (Egypt) had been pillaged for thousands of years I mean you couldnt even call the Egyptians Egyptians anymore
Darkkorners 9 months ago
Sammy don't waste your time with this loser blkmagic, he's saying north Africa turned white because of the Vandals, he also forgets to say the black gene is supposedly dominant. They don't know which way to go with this bullshit they keep uttering out of their mouths. do what I did with this character, block him from your page he's a waste of time and fingers.
GundisalusMenendiz 9 months ago
@GundisalusMenendiz
You are right ! my friend ... its really a waste of time and fingers
I will blocked his ass right now !
samysamy25 9 months ago
On the one hand you want to play up the non African ancestry of some North African populations and then turn right around and pretend to still be as indigenous to Africa as black Africans that have little to no foreign ancestry. You cannot have it both ways! I understand the problem this presents for you! On one hand you want to claim Eurasian ancestry as a unique marker for Berbers but the problem there is that the Berber languages do not originate in Eurasia, but in Africa! Oh my!.
MsBlackmagic13 9 months ago
@MsBlackmagic13
actually south african saharans have more foreign bloods than North africans In fact North africans are Paleolihtic peoples VS neolithic peoples in south of sahara ... the anthroplogical studies assumed how sub-saharans negroids are the result of adaptation with hot climate warmer environements and mixture with archaic species . if it was Not Eurasian then it was NORTH AFRICAN which means NOT negroid in any sense . Africa does not mean BLACK but the COLD CAVE ;)
samysamy25 9 months ago
@MsBlackmagic13
How amazigh speakers are not Libyans if lybians themsleves speak tamazight until Now? Didn't you know how so easily for a moroccan to understand the libyan tamazight languages. diop is debunked a long time before and he was a student without school certificate he was tortured and threatened for a slave thats why he dislike white people. Lol! again stop spreading your non-senses as I tell you there NO DNA evidence of any arabian or european presence over continental africa;)
samysamy25 9 months ago
@MsBlackmagic13
E haplogroup is actually Originated from the caucaziod World which is North Africa or outside africa in Eurasia however E haplogroup is about 50Kya when there was No negroids at this time ;) the most oldest negroid skulls goes back about 9Kya from nigeria . which means that negroids bantuids are a recent phenomena and new comers in africa .WRONG actually there is no continuity of lineages among sub-saharans since their lineages is HETEREOGENEOUS among each ethnic group .
samysamy25 9 months ago
@samysamy25
Hg E has sub-clades E1a and E2 are found almost exclusively in Africa. E1B1A is the most prevalent subclade of E in Africa. E1B1B is found at high frequencies in East Africa and North Africa and is the only subclade that is found in Europe and Asia. E1B1B is common among Afro-Asiatic speakers, Nilo-Saharan, Niger-Congo speakers in East Africa and Sudan.
sitabanu 7 months ago
@sitabanu
Wrong :! the most common Haplogroups among Niger-Congo speakers in East Africa and Sudan were A3b2 and B and NOT E1b1b1 ! Indeed Nilo-saharans does not have E1b1b1 in common but more with R1b1b in chadic and fulanis ;)
in fact E1b1b1 in east africa is mainly V32 common among Kushitic speakers the same with J1c3d in them !
samysamy25 7 months ago
@samysamy25
E1b1b is at once the most common E subclade amongst East African Maasai, Somalis, Ethiopians, Eritreans and North African Sudanese, Egyptians, Berbers and Arabs. It is also common in West Asia, from where it spread into the Balkans and the rest of Europe. E1b1b has four common subclades: E1b1b1a (E-V68), E1b1b1b (E-V257), E1b1b1c (E-M123), and E1b1b1e (E-M293), the last of which spreads from Ethiopia to South Africa. Sub-clade - E1b1b1a1a2 (V32) - 8,500 YBP. J1c3d - 5,000 YPB.
sitabanu 7 months ago
@sitabanu
LET me know why an afro-american like u are so obsessed with the genetics of North africa and east africa ?! as far you are not concerned either ...in ur case you should be looking for PN-2 and A3b2 plus B's plus R1b1b2a Lineages ! ! since afro-americans have these haplogroups.
samysamy25 7 months ago
@samysamy25 Some do, not all. Haplogroups cannot distinguish all members of a race from one another.
Omorose33 6 months ago
@sitabanu Now if E1B1b is Y-DNA and J1C3D is Y-DNA then how can any haplogroup be real with this impossible mix of Y-DNA. So you are either confusing Y-DNA E with mt-DNA E . Be specific! "mt-DNA Haplogroup E has a Southeast Asian distribution. Until now it has been detected in the Malay peninsula populations and in the Sabah of Borneo; and it is also present in coastal Papua New Guinea as well as in Taiwan, in the Philippines, and in some Pacific islands such as Guam. "
sitabanu 7 months ago
@MsBlackmagic13
Really you are so pathetic ! There is No DNA scientific evidence of any Germanic or European presence over North Africa it was just your afrocentric LIE. Hence anyone outside the Romano-Greeck Civilizations is called berber including Germans Celts and Amazighs which is their real name "your afrocentric stupidity" . of course there is Historical Evidence of enslaved people from south of african sahara into N.Africa mostly were women thats why we find many Mulaltoes in the desert
samysamy25 9 months ago
In addition to that Berber is a language group NOT a particular ethnic group or physical type. And Berber languages originate within the continent of Africa. Therefore, it is African. YOU keep trying to distinguish Berber from African based on ancestry and geography which is simply not correct. Berber is a distinctly African language and therefore cannot be said to originate with Eurasians from outside Africa You are attempting to identify them as both African and non African at the same time
MsBlackmagic13 9 months ago
@MsBlackmagic13
again berber is Not the real name of amazighs ;) the amazighs are the Indigenous people of North africa from Egypt to canary islands and from Mediteranean coasts to Niger rivers . including all saharan and sahel regions . Tamazight Languages are the most Oldest AA group or PAA itself. actually we have more than 150 Tamazight languages .amazighs are the Paleolithic caucaziods africans and part of them is Hybridized in East africa and south of sahara and oasis desert
samysamy25 9 months ago
@LetMeTasteYa
east africans are mixed essentially caucasians /OOA and proto-negroids. they are regarded as dark brown caucasians or Hybrids and NOT similar to sub-saharans like bantuids PYGMIES or khoisans ;)
somalis are 95% Eurasians their Y-DNA is from Libya/Egypt while beja are much more closer to arabs and middle easterns than they are to sub-saharans africans ;) the land of punt was not somalia or ethiopia since she was arabia or Yemen .the cushitic languages are spread it by caucasians
samysamy25 9 months ago
and dont tell me E1B1B1A is native to non black egyptians because its native to cushitic speakers.. Most of the non black egyptians are of E1B1B1A because they are mixed with cushitic speakers .. beja people i guess.
LetMeTasteYa 9 months ago
@LetMeTasteYa
E1b1b1a is Not even originated from east africa . the basal haplogroup M78* is noticeable among moroccans and egyptians while he expanded into east africa about 4000BC from Northren sudan into east africa hence the ancestral haplogroup of E1b1b1a AKA V68 is only detected among sardinians ;)
which means E1b1b1a is caucasian paternal marker originally from north africa or Europe ;) Kushitic languages are the most youngest family among AA originally from Lybia/Egypt/canaan
samysamy25 9 months ago
LMAO this is so funny i had to laugh? North African DNA? WHat is that? its either african or not. "north african dna" is african by essence.anyway. If modern non black egyptians are lighter than they were before why did the ancient paint themselves as BROWNSKINNED? anyway LMAO. Beja people are the closest relative to ancient egyptians and early canaanites.
LetMeTasteYa 9 months ago
@LetMeTasteYa
and African Does Not Meant BLACK;) Africa=continent just like Asia for example. North African DNA just differency between North asian DNA and southern asian DNA both we have different populations and races there. ancient egyptians don't paint themselves as Brownish BUT REDISH and women are YELOWISH they do that for symbolism and to be distinguishable from their worst enemies the Libyans. Beja aren't closer to egyptians and levantines since they are Hybrids and closer to sudanese
samysamy25 9 months ago
@samysamy25 Dumbass. its symbolism when its brown? Dumbass see how they were able to make the difference between themselves, the nubians, the berbers and the syrians in Seti I tomb. They painted Nubian as Black, Syrian as yellow, berbers as white and themselves as brown. Or is it symbolism? LMAO sit your butt down.
LetMeTasteYa 9 months ago
@LetMeTasteYa
MOTHERFUCKER .Yeah THERE IS EGYPTIANS PAINTED GREEN BLEU BROWN BLACK RED ORANGE etc ... all these colors was used for symbolism the black is for the death . brown for the terrors . Green for the fertility Bleu for the sky and majesty etc. you can't ever Understand what the meaning of colors represent for us U MONKEYS Cuz every thing to u is black or white nothing else ! of course ancient egyptians see themselves superiors thats why they prefer using red yelow painted colors !
samysamy25 9 months ago
You are rather amusing! First of all I can refute you on genetics alone! But why you people continue to use Keita to buttress your position is beyond me! You folks clearly don't understand his position or what Keita is saying! His position is well known and well documented yet you and people like you still misinterpret it and use him as a source! That is a sign of utter desperation! You should at least use someone that agrees with your position! Soon you folks will be calling him afrocentric!
MsBlackmagic13 9 months ago
This skin color map shows nearly ALL of Egypt the same skin tone as nearly ALL of Sub Saharan Africa.
AfricaTeacher 9 months ago 2
@AfricaTeacher
Really ?? are you sure about this ??
in fact 80% of egyptians are located in the delta =central coasts of egypt. while upper egyptians are darker than northren and guess what . upper egyptians are much more lighter than Yemenites and saudis according to Luschan's chromatic scale .
PS : upper egyptians are mostly J1c3d ;) just like nubians and sudanese ;)
samysamy25 9 months ago
@samysamy25 Yes you are correct about the delta being the most inhabited NOW. But if you look at ancient times nearly ALL the ancient cities are located near modern Cairo and to the south of it. The Near Eastern skin tone of this map doesnt even cover Cairo. It pretty much ONLY covers the Egyptian Delta - Which makes sense. So according to this map on your video - most of Geographic Egypt in ancient times, and where all the culture comes from is the same skin tone as Sub Saharan Africa. :)
AfricaTeacher 9 months ago
@AfricaTeacher
How you find that cairo was not covred by the map of southern european skin tones both the two share the same limits of attitude and longitude in 30º00 N / 31º10 E ? ! Hence cairo is almost located in the Delta, Northren of fayum oasis where the nile is devided into three ways and multiple Tributaries..didn't you know what's the number of pre-isles in the cairo region? then accrording to you sub-saharans have a specific skin tones ? what about sahal and saharan peoples ?
samysamy25 9 months ago
@samysamy25 I am not talking about "what I think" just what YOUR video shows. I see 4 skin tones. Lets just call them Black/Brown/Tan/Pale. If i overlay a geographical map on top of this map the "BROWN" or dotted category would encompass MOST of Egypt. Cairo would not be in the "Tanned" or yellow section but also in the Brown section because Cairo is not North enough. Furthermore ALL the sites in Middle and Upper Egypt and Nubia would be in the Brown and even BLACK category.
AfricaTeacher 9 months ago
@AfricaTeacher
there is Levels of color skin tones in North East Africa from 17+ to 24+ from lighter to darker ; Cairo Population is almost Delta Immigrants and their skin color is majoritarly Lighter Pale sometime white people in the Luxary regions , of course noticeable Draker Individuals in the poor regions due to the mixed population with Ex-slaves. you can't even claimed the Historical sites as a references of location for the color of skin tones. all we know ancient egyptians were LGM.
samysamy25 9 months ago
@samysamy25 You said it right here "Cairo Population is almost Delta Immigrants " - Cairo look like Delta people because they COME from the delta as YOU state. I am not talking about Immigrants. What YOUR image shows 4 ranges of skin tones levels. Delta people and their Kin in Cairo have the "tanned" colors. The ORIGINAL inhabitance of areas in Cairo and below DO NOT have the tanned skin tone but the BROWN skin tone like MOST Africans and Indians on YOUR MAP. Not rocket science. :)
AfricaTeacher 9 months ago
@AfricaTeacher
Clear Admittance by u on light skinned delta in Cairo, what? original Inhabitants were darker than our days? in this point you are debunked so easily " we have the portraits of ancient egyptians in this regions" with DNA results from their Bones;) plus the environement of Egypt was Cold and he became warmer Year after Year ,anthropometric facts and Evidence;) but instead Ultraviolet Map included the cairo region plus Fayum oasis Just look at 2:50 and look at the map of egypt;)
samysamy25 9 months ago
@samysamy25 I just look at like 10 maps, Your map Barely covers Cairo, its hard to tell because your map does not have the Sinai. But i will give you Cairo, nearly ALL the rest of Egypt South of that would be "Brown".
The first Nome of Egypt up to the 22nd in the North would ALL be brown. Thebes, Naqada, Edfu, Abydos, Valley of Kings, Memphis, Amarna, Karnak etc ALL BROWN, the same as Sub Saharans. Ancient = BROWN, Modern=Tan, Modern SOUTH Egypt = Brown. YOUR MAP, not mine.
AfricaTeacher 9 months ago
@AfricaTeacher
The Sinai is completely a desertic area. you do not have the right to compare the delta = one of worlds biggest density population wich is the heart of egypt with some of its desert . so Absurd ! This map shows very clearly that the north of Egypt until Fayum is similar to southern euroepan skin tones ; WRONG! except the Delta all egyptian skin tones is similar to Northren arabian, southern maghrebians, central americans in USA , latino ; Northren indian skin tones.
samysamy25 9 months ago
@samysamy25 talking about skin tone.. AE painted themselves as BROWN/red skinned.. more like Beja features to me. And the worst part is that they had AFROS and BRAIDS... Lmao.. Beja people are still wearing those kind of hairstyle LMAO so funny. And oh the bedawi language spoken by them is close to ancient egyptian . t'en dis quoi hein?
LetMeTasteYa 9 months ago
@LetMeTasteYa
AE didn't painted themselevs brown skinned but redish and Yellowish for women ! and beja are hybrids admixed caucasians and sub-saharans negroids while ancient Egyptians were fully CAUCAZIODS OF LGM ORIGINS and not even closer to east africans or sudanese groups but more towards maghrebians and levantines and southern europeans than to your bullshits !! again ancient egyptians egyptianized their southern territories . their nubians slaves were egyptianized by culture . Tla7 daba;)
samysamy25 9 months ago
@samysamy25 and the afro is symbolic too uh? dumbass LMAO
LetMeTasteYa 9 months ago
@LetMeTasteYa
afro meant africa and africa is a continent and ancient egyptians were never symbolized such things from your mother fucker claims ;)
samysamy25 9 months ago
@AfricaTeacher
Again this map shows Modern Ultraviolet diffusion in the world and she does NOT EVEN represents the Past of any Population Including Egypt. Wrong! Ultaviolet map does not even shows the same levels of skin tones among sub-saharans thats if you look so carefully How central africa does not even share the same Colors with other sub-saharans but commun with Non-Africans like Yemenites;)
Von Lushcan Scall does Not even shows any similarities of egyptian skin tones with sub-saharans
samysamy25 9 months ago
@AfricaTeacher You are right. Thebes, Naqda, Abydos.. the blacks living there are mostly Beja.. and Oh.. tell him about the siwa berbers... WHy the hell they look black? it was proved that they didnt mix since the ancient time.
LetMeTasteYa 9 months ago
@LetMeTasteYa
SSA among siwa berbers took 70 %of their maternal lineages ...those berbers are mixed with sub-saharan negroid females since the historical times and siwis does not look like black but hybrids = mixed caucasian and negroids ex-slaves ;) however black is a color I prefer talking about BANTUS .dumbass ;)
samysamy25 9 months ago
@samysamy25 Ex slave? lmao sit your fat ass down! Black egyptians descent from two ethnic group : Beja and Nubians. Last time i checked, nubians were warriors, and Beja were warrior too. Thats a dumb anachronism. Blacks were only slaves troughout all history? dumbass. Beja built ancient egypt and Nubians built Nubia. Modern non black egyptians are just hybrid people who are genetically close to Beja and Nubians. And the funny part of the video is that.. (suite)
LetMeTasteYa 9 months ago
@LetMeTasteYa
again Non-senses ...these claims are based from your typical afro-american "Dream World " ; and what makes you think that sub-saharans bantuids weren't slaves and Ex-slaves ?! didn't you know that slavery is right know frequent among sub-saharans themselves they enslaved their owns if you don't know that ! Beja weren't the same in location and Historical memory as Nubians but they are hybrids of the same roots clasisfied as Aethiopids mixed caucasian- negroid sub-saharans!
samysamy25 9 months ago
@samysamy25 1) i am not african american dumbass , i am north african . 2) theres no bantu presence in Egypt nor in East Africa, genetically and historically speaking. Beja live troughout all Egypt and it was proved that they even went in the middle east. They domesticated the donkey in egypt 6,000 years ago and introduced it in the levant. "caucasian " "negroid are debunked terms.
LetMeTasteYa 9 months ago
@LetMeTasteYa
YOU ARE A MONKEY from USA an ex-slave descendant of some dirty bantuids living in the USA thats all . I know what a kinda of lies you keep spreading over the Internet ..if u r what you dream on then I AM THE GOD ITSELF .so what do you think ? Huh ? Egypt is not even closer to east africa but more to north africa and Near east and southern europe according to Lucotte 2002 . the people who domesticated horses and donkeys since 8000 BC were capsians from north africa and near east
samysamy25 9 months ago
@samysamy25 you're saying that they modern non black egyptians are more black than they were before. Hassan proved in 2008 that Copts were genetically close to nubians and they didnt mix with them since ancient time.. Really? LMAO
LetMeTasteYa 9 months ago
@LetMeTasteYa
I never said that ..U monkey stop your symentics U Gorillas ! I said ancient egyptians were much more lighter and whiter than our days ..Hasan 2008 ET AL prove that modern sudanese DNA is fully Eurasian hence sudanese from Khertoum area are biologically 95% Eurasians .sudanese copts nubians Amhara beja and Tingraya share with arabs the same paternal line AKA J1c3d Y-dna Chr at levels from 80% to 30%
samysamy25 9 months ago
@samysamy25 Gorillas? you cave chimp. Hassan showed that Nubians and Copts were genetically close , yet they are no intermixing between the two proving it happened during ancient times. If they are darker now.. wow LMAO i wonder why they painted themselves as brownskinned. uh.. it means now that if they paint themselves they should use the black color. Nono. Fayoum mummies are no different than any non black egyptians.
LetMeTasteYa 9 months ago
@LetMeTasteYa
Hassan et al 2008 shows clearly that Y-DNA Chr of all modern sudanese is fully Eurasian at 85%
again Monkey MAKAK repeat it again and again it was NOT BROWN PAINTINGS but REDDISH AND YELLOWISH ...FAYUM portraits shows clairly caucasians people not even sub-saharans negroids or Hybrids like east africans indeed east africans are not even similar or closer to you bantuids monkeys ..just be proud of what you are really ...pathetic bantu american ;)
samysamy25 9 months ago
@AfricaTeacher
and do you think really that sub-saharans are the same ? or that tanned khoisans share with other "SUB-SAHARANS' the same skin color ? instead ; sahel and saharan people are more lighter than east africans and those weren't even similar to urs or they share the same level of darkest skin color with others mainly Bantus ;) in ancient time egyptians were much more lighter than our days since they were LGM population that are expanded to the warmer environements of North africa.
samysamy25 9 months ago
LOL U IDIOTS.ANCIENT EUROPEANS LIVING DURING THE TIME OF ANCIENT EGYPT EVEN DOCUMENTED THE EGYPTIANS WERE BLACK.AND THEY SAW THE EGYPTIANS WITH THEIR OWN EYES.YOU HABITUAL LIARS NEED TO GET A LIFE.
TheSupreme203 9 months ago
LOL U RACIST IDIOTS KILL ME WITH YOUR BS LIES.MODERN EGYPTIANS ARENT ARAB EVEN THOUGH THEY SPEAK ARAB & ITS DOCUMENTED THEY COLONIZED EGYPT IN THE 7TH CENTURY A.D?LOL AND CAN SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY THE EARLIEST KEMETIC (EGYPT IS NOT THE ORIGINAL NAME) STATUES ARE OF NEGROES?WAITING.LOL
TheSupreme203 9 months ago
@TheSupreme203 Negoids like 1:52 and 2:00 of this video, Your a negroid shut your ass up. watch?v=olO17P-OYsI&feature=channel_video_title
snowmchristv 9 months ago
I thought they were Mixed race?
mrtundra45 10 months ago
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Do you consider SOY KEITA to be a "BLACK MAN" even thought his skin in not literally BLACK ?
Do you consider SOY KEITA to be an "ARABIC MAN" because he has LIGHT BROWN skin and WOOLY HAIR ?
OR
Do you consider SOY KEITA to be a "CAUSASIAN MAN" because he has LIGHT BROWN SKIN, WOOLY HAIR, and a MODERATE NOSE ?
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Also, what about the NBA PLAYER, KOBE BRYANT.
Do you consider him to be "CAUCASIAN" because he has BROWN SKIN, SMALL LIPS and a STRAIGHT NOSE ?
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wwrecords1 10 months ago
@wwrecords1
he is a typical Bantu-congolese type with a noticeable caucasian admixture
samysamy25 10 months ago
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wwrecords1 10 months ago
@TheHyperboreanzenith
thx for that link my friend :)
samysamy25 10 months ago
Your UV map is wrong
AnAncientDeity 10 months ago
@AnAncientDeity
whats wrong in her ?
samysamy25 10 months ago
@samysamy25 If you are looking for an authentic study of the human skin color variation, check Von Luschan's chromatic scale.
AnAncientDeity 10 months ago
@AnAncientDeity
it does not mean that Northren Egyptians are not lighter specially for those of coastal Mediteranea even if Von Luschan's chromatic scale shows other ways but we all know that Northren egyptians are lighter than upper egyptians but our scale does not shows this differences .it shows the same level of degrees! anyhow Ultraviolet skin color was also an authentic study referenced by Von Luschan's chromatic scale.
samysamy25 10 months ago
@samysamy25 Sure. Some of his scale also shows that East meds are dark where this fact is really not the case. Some of these meds i.e Levantines and specially the christians possess light pigmentation.
AnAncientDeity 10 months ago
@samysamy25
I dont like you. Why dont you spend some time debunking eurocentrism, since actually has a huge negative impact on all of society.
dancingwithcalvin 9 months ago
@dancingwithcalvin that fucking b.s.
TheNingishzida 9 months ago
@TheNingishzida
Your deluded. If you read hegel you would know that truth is important. Go count something.
dancingwithcalvin 9 months ago
I AM AFRAID PEOPLE HAVE REASONS TO LIE.
YET THIS IS ANOTHER LIE AS IT IS WITH "BLACK ATHENA".
The worse of this story is, there are some (alot) of naive people who believe all this sh*t.
trustmeU2needhelp 10 months ago
One thing i know is that Satan rules this world only to a certain extinct, meaning what God allows him. I know for a fact Satan lies and says the Jews are white and he will even summon his earthly demons to put out that lie. He would also say the Egyptians were not black plain and simple he is the father of lies and I would expect to see little to no truth in this world. You are believe so call information from your father, the devil.
YahawahTheGreat 10 months ago
@YahawahTheGreat your father is a flea infested Baboon, When we found you in sub saharan africa, you were living worse thanpeople did thousands of years ago, You take cow piss showers. Monkey looking freak.
snowmchristv 10 months ago
@YahawahTheGreat U On Drugs?
Egypt Was Never Black! Deal With it.
egyption0ghetto 10 months ago
@TheHyperboreanzenith
homo-sapiens are descandants of archaic homo-sapiens and those archaic are cousins of neanderthals and sometime they looked like neanderthals and we share with them one ancestor wich is Anthrepolus Maurutanicus :) and he was so different than other Homonids "so specific" and he lived in earth before 3 millions to 1 milion of years
samysamy25 10 months ago
@TheHyperboreanzenith
What has living in mountains have to do with not having dna that was found in rhesus monkey blood?
greenmagoos 10 months ago
@TheHyperboreanzenith
And for rhesus negative womens bodies to attack their own child if its rhesus positive is one fucked up mutation is it not?
greenmagoos 10 months ago
@TheHyperboreanzenith
Why didn't rhesus positive blond haired tribes in eastern scandanavia/europe develop this mutation and why is it generally only select areas of europe where you can find a significant ratio among some peoples in some areas with non-monkey rhesus negative blood?
And a squad of black skinned Africans in one place on Chad River
greenmagoos 10 months ago