The ancient holy Israelis would generally have family Sabbath gathering Friday evening until bed time, then wake up early and head to the corporate assembly to tarry there from morning until night. Sometimes they would have continuation of Sabbaths called Havdallahs, this would lead to even higher realms of Glory. I have never found a church that faithfully keeps the Sabbaths in Yahoshua ha Moshiach like the scripture states. Not even Messianic are into it. Do you believe in keeping in this way?
@yahokobbenyah In short, yes I do believe in keeping Sabbath/Shabbat in that way. No buying/selling, no secular work, gathering with family, convening for corporate worship, no cooking (we prefer to eat whole foods that do not require cooking such as fruits and nuts) but food that was made in advance is acceptable, spending that time furthering our knowledge and strengthening our relationship to the Father, is how we observe Sabbath.
@EraunaoGraphe Thank you for your kind response! You have no idea how much this encouraged me hearing that you are into revival like ancient Israel! Right now, I live in the Bible belt in western North Carolina and I haven't found anyone who is willing to keep the Sabbaths as the scripture states for refreshing. People just don't understand the beauty of God's commandments and the blessings that flow out of the Olive Tree. I am planning on moving out of this dry Bible belt very soon, back to Fl.
Most Christians do not know how to keep the Sabbath even if they believe in honoring it. God commands us to not cook on the Sabbaths, to not buy and sell on the Sabbaths, to not do any "secular work" (if you will) on the Sabbaths, to not travel far on the Sabbaths, and to have Holy Convocations (Revival Gatherings) on the Sabbaths. This way everyone tarries together in one accord at one place to pray, praise, worship, fast from all lawlessness, etc... until the Glory appears. Continue:
Who give the rest ? God or Sabbath ? Jesus came to give us the rest... this is biblical. Other time, God enter in relationship with us by the law, today, he enter in relationship with us by Christ, the new covenant... and our only mediator.
I have been watching youtube for a while, and your videos are my favorite videos. Have you read some of Bachiocchi's book. He has past away, I met him several times.
Your videos are not only interesting to me but they have come in my life at a time when I want to trust God like I have not in the past.
Question for you then... Why did Jesus said for his disciples to pray for the day for them to flee from Jerusalem don't fall on the Sabbath day or winter on the time of the destruction from the Romans to come? Jesus knew that he would be dead and resurrected by then, he could only had said pray for it to don't be on a winter but why why why did he had to add the sabbath in it???????????? Maybe he got confused and forgot that his death would take care of it ?????????
@GallantMind I've read your post thrice through and I have to admit that I'm not sure what you mean. The passage found in Matt 24:20 is actually good proof that Christ intended for the Sabbath to continue past His death & ressurection; else why instruct His disciples to continue to regard it?
I found this video very cool I must admit, but one very powerful and real point that most be added to this obviously ongoing debate is: Jesus = God - do you not agree? If this is true, how can you then, change what 'His Rest' refers to? all you did in this was just using the ideas that you thought up to support your argument rather than what the scripture says. i.e your interpretation of what Jesus meant by saying ‘his rest’ I agree on early comments about the commandments by the way good stuff
@Lorizle Greetings - I guess I must inquire as to what you believe "His rest" refers to before I can properly address your question. What I did in this video was to refer to the original Greek & take into account the subject of the discussion at hand in order to determine what Yeshua meant in Matt 11:28. Would kindly inform me as to what you believe "His rest" refers in Matt 11:28 so we can have a meaningful discussion? Thank you.
The real reason that this is a modern issue is because people just don't want to think about going to church on Saturday, or joining a new church. We concoct rhetoric to avoid those 2 main things. We fool ourselves, but that's all we fool, because God made it clear in the 10 commands. We continue to adhere to 9 of them religiously and legally, yet the 4th we ignore. You should consider the 4th like the others. Then learn more of why it was given! God is not moved! Start with part 1 in my vids.
I think sometimes we make this way more complicated than it is!
We act like the 10 commandments are not to be followed any more. We argue with every piece of rhetoric, except the fact that God gave 10 commands to Moses, and no man could change them. Sabbath was the 4th. It it said work 6 days and rest on 7th. Forget the foolishness, and start there. Then know that the Jews twisted it. Then know that in Hebrews 3:7 thru 4:12 it was clarified for the modern people of God! See my videos for more!
First of all - Saturday is not the correct day either (YouTube "Julian Calendar")
Second - The Sabbath was not just a day but also a yearly and a jubilee (and yes - if you work those years you break the Sabbath "time" because you would be consuming consumables which are made by sowing and reaping from the land)
Third - The Exodus Into the Wilderness is where the Sabbath was given as the Israelites were sustained with the manna which pointed to the Sabbath. Hence - the Sabbath points to Christ
First - The change from the Julian calendar to the Gregorian calendar did not affect the days of the week, just the monthly cycle. So on this point you are incorrect.
Second - Please re-read Leviticus chapter 23; the monthly & yearly sabbaths were distinct and seperate from the Sabbath of the Lord (Lev. 23:37 & 38). As such, the restraints you place on the weekly Sabbath are in err.
@EraunaoGraphe Again, I could go in to detail here but essentially consider this: "John tells us that “All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. (John 1: 3) The Sabbath points to Jesus Christ. After all, God made all things through Him and He was the word from the beginning through which all things are sanctified and therefore He is Lord of the Sabbath. Since "rest / Sabbath" was from the beginning as well - the commandment was pointing to redemption"
@AskStephenMaples I agree with you that the Sabbath has a spiritual facet pointing towards redemption (a soteriological type), a point I discuss in my Dissertation on Heb 4:1-11 video. But this aspect does not trump the other two aspects that the Sabbath comprehends (creation commemoration, eschatological significance). Further, Christ kept the Sabbath DAY even though He acknowledged all of these aspects. In fact, it is in recognition of these facets that should cause us to observe the day.
@EraunaoGraphe --- Unfortunately there is not enough room to go into a detailed exegesis here; however, the Hebrews did not follow a calendar by week but rather by lunar solar cycles which scripture specifically states is what determines times and seasons. Second, in Hebrew - there is NO DISTINCTION in Hebrew for the word meaning of Sabbath referring to both weekly and yearly Sabbaths. The yearly were "in addition to or along with" so they are ALL Sabbath.
@AskStephenMaples I too wish there were more space to allow fuller explanation. The Hebrews had two calendars, a civil & ceremonial. Both of these calendars, while reckoned with the moon cycle, required the counting of weeks as well. So weeks were important to them as they are to us today.
I agree that etymologically there is no difference in the word Sabbath when it is referring to a feast or the 7th day, but that really isn't a valid point for the context in which Sabbath was used would...
... allow to listener/reader to know which was being referred to. The same is true in English; take the word bow for example: it has at least 5 meanings as a noun and no less than 3 meanings as a verb yet such has not caused confusion. The same is true phonetically: consider eight and ate. Besides, the commandment is specific and what applies to the 7th-day Sabbath doesn't always apply to the other Sabbaths - God laid out the distinctions & directions, we shouldn't gloss them over & misapply.
rest is what we used to HAVE to do literally, on a certain day. But now, we do not have to have an ACTUAL DAY to rest, but have "PEACE OF MIND" or "quietness in our hearts" if we have the Christ.
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days
we can if we want to, but that statement was meant for those of the circumsision...jews by nature. When they would judge gentiles for not honoring the sabbath.
JeshuaLivingWord, I like to tell people to get a Greek-English interlinear Bible to understand meaning more. You have twisted the meaning of this verse which tells believers to not let people outside of the church tell you how/what to eat and drink and other particulars of the Holy Days. The seventh day Sabbath and Holy Days are in effect and the Apostle Paul kept these days; just read Acts carefully and you will see. Jesus didn't change it - that's what matters, false church people did.
Actually...i have a Greek/Hebrew to English concordance. And what you are mistaken in is my speech. It is true, the Sabbath days, and the Holy days are still to be remembered, and if you want, to be observed, BUT what you do not understand is that we do not HAVE TO FOLLOW THEM. Paul kept those days...do you know why? he was of the circumsision, and Jews who accepted Jesus as Christ mostly reverenced the days as well, but did you read on when paul told others NOT to judge another on these days?
But was it not Paul that said there was no difference between the Jew & the Greek (Gentiles) in God's view? Therefore, Paul wouldn't have kept the Feasts merely because he was of Israelite decent - he kept them because it was a perpetual memorial (Exo 12) that hadn't yet been fulfilled (Col. 2:16,17). Notice those shadows "are" - current tense, not past tense.
yes, you speak truly, gal. 3:28, and i believe that there is no distinction IN GOD'S EYES as a means of salvation. But we are talking about customs, and traditions of men, which WERE once traditions to be kept...ordered by God. Paul did keep the feasts and some of the tradtions mainly because he grew up with them. Jesus came and took away the NEED for us to obey the customs and traditions. But, He did not come to tell the Jews they could NOT celebrate the feasts...
...but He said that we could reverance the feasts and traditions, only, He told us not to boast in them...in the flesh. What i mean is that we do not gain righteousness through keeping of the sabbaths, and feasts, which is where catholics are mistaken. But we CAN if we want to, only remember that righteousness is gained by grace and not law...anymore. Read Acts ch22, and you will get a clearer picture of what i am talking about, how Gentiles (us) do not have to keep feasts...God bless
Okay, I think I have a clearer picture of what you are talking about. And it is true, that keeping the law does not earn us any righteousness before God. But that was never the purpose of the law anyway, which is why Paul said in 1 Tim 1:8 "But we know that the law [is] good, if a man use it lawfully;" Legalism (i.e. attempting to earn one's salvation by law-keeping) is an unlawful use of the law. But there are lawful uses/purposes of the law that Christians are disregarding.
you said: But there are lawful uses/purposes of the law that Christians are disregarding.
Okay, what are you talking about when you say this? not being mean or anything, but i just want to know. And if i am wrong on anything, i will humbly apoligize, and be corrected. The only reason i ask and comment is to "test the spirits" and spread truth, so sorry it i came off on the wrong way. God bless. But could you inform me about "christians disregarding" laws? thank you
No need to worry, I know you aren't attacking me (we're on the same side) and I don't read any unintended malice in your posts. I, however, must apologize to you for being so short and defensive in my initial responses to you. Please, accept my humble apology.
What I mean is that there are many Christian denominations/individuals that hold the belief that there are no laws whatsoever for the Christian other than the flexible/undefined 'love'. While it is true that all obedience & service ...
should be based on the foundation of love, that love should be the motivation, too often the term 'love' is used to replace direct commandments. The Sabbath, for example, is one of those. But we could also include such things as not judging a matter until we've heard both sides (Jn 7:51), dressing modestly (1 Tim 2:9), and others. It is as if the concept, and commandment, to be sanctified has been lost. Does that clarify my comment?
...the ways of Yah. We do not gain righteousness by doing anything but believing in Christ, but he who practices righteousness is righteous and He is righteous (see 1 John 3:4-9). Keeping the commandments does not mean you are earning salvation it is just imitating Christ and being obedient.
well, you are right at some points, but look at James ch3..."show me your faith and i will my works" if we do not follow God, then we do not know God, and he who sins is not of God, and sinning is going against the law of Grace, which include commandments.
thanks for responding, the bible defines sin as the transgression of the law (1 John 3:4), that is why Jesus came because of man's transgression of Yah's laws, I am not sure what you mean by the law of grace...the perfect law of liberty is the 10 commandments (see James 2 and Psalm 119:45)...Can you find one scripture where our Lord says that we don't have to do the commandments anymore?
...by no means did i say that we did not have to follow the 10 commandments...that is what Jesus came to do, to fufill them, and other things as well. What we do not have to do is the customs, and the statutes and ordinances. When we sin, we can repent. But before, according to statutes and ordinances, we would have to sacrifice a sin offering...lamb on the cross abolished this.
The feasts days are not Jewish they belong to Yah...He calls them MY FEAST DAYS (see Leviticus 23). The new covenant was not made with Gentiles but with the house of Judah and Israel (Jeremiah 31:31-34), Gentiles are grafted into Israel as Paul points out in Romans 11 and Ephesians 2. Faith is what brings you into the house of God but when you come into the house you must learn to live by the rules of the household (Acts 15:21) the Apostles expected the Gentiles to atten synagogue and learn...
And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him (Matthew 3:15). My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness (Psalm 119:172). Why would you not want to do God's commandments they are righteousness? Did Jesus die so we don't have to do God's commandments or so that we can do them? Please read Ezekiel 36:26-28 and Jeremiah 31:31-34.
And, no, i have not twisted the meaning of the verse, PLEASE tell me where you think i have. And what you may not know/remember is that Paul spoke to Peter, concerning the judgement of Gentiles...so, it is not just outsiders, but those inside as well. Jesus actually did change it, He abolished the need for honoring the days, WE ARE ABLE TO HAVE SALVATION THROUGH GRACE, AND NOT LAW ANYMORE. What you are speaking of is just as those wanting others to be circumsised...boasting in the flesh.
I don't think I accused you of twisting verses; please point to the post where I did this. Also, how are you defining 'salvation'? Are you distinguishing between justification & sanctification as Paul did? My video is dealing with the aspect of sanctification - not justification. Christ justified us, true, but He works through us for sanctification. And we don't get to define what sanctifies us, only God can do that.
Following God's ways means keeping his commandments (Deuteronomy 8:6), Christ came to teach us how to be sons and to walk in God's law the way that He always intended men to walk in them. Not to be justified, because only faith in Christ justifies a man, but God's laws is how He governs His kingdom and people and every word of God is pure (proverbs 30:5). Please read 1 John 5:1-5, Revelation 14: 12, Revelation 22:14...we don't keep the commandments to get saved but because we are saved.
yes, i know that we do not keep the commandments to be saved...because with Christ we are already saved, but if we are transgressing, then we say that we do not know Christ. Salvation is gained through Christ, losing it is through transgression.
Christ Himself said that He never came to destroy the law or prophets but to fulfill (Matthew 17:20), meaning to magnify or teach us the proper way to keep it, not just by the letter but by the Spirit a renewed heart through love. Not like the religious leaders of the day who had an outward form of righteousness and set up their own traditions that made God's commandments of no effect. Paul's letters can be taken out of context (Romans and Galatians) and seem to speak against keeping the law.
i think i am not explaining myself thoroughly...sorry, what i mean is that we do not have to follow the ceremonial law. Which is the clean, unclean bathing until evening...etc. and Paul's letters are speaking of those who boast in the flesh, which is the ceremonial law, and it is not profitable. But the ceremonial law is NOT the 10 commandments, which we are commanded to follow, fully. Hope that helps God bless
no problem, thanks for clarifying and responding...the only law that Christ abolished is sacrifices and offerings for sin. Leviticus 23 says that these feasts are "everlasting" and we will be keeping them in the kingdom (see Zechariah 14, Ezekiel 40-45, Isaiah 66). Christ even commanded the man cleansed from leprosy to keep Moses "the clean/unclean" laws (Luke 5:14)
so does that mean we have to keep the Feast of Tabernacles/passover and other feasts? I know that the passover (actual lamb) was replaced by breaking of bread, and drinking of wine (very small amount) for symbolism of the blood and body of Christ...but what about the Feast of Taberancles, and the other feast i forgot the name for....?
yes, the lamb was replaced and so the uncirumcised can participate in Passover (see Exodus 12:43-45) and yes Zechariah 14:16-21 shows that when Christ returns all nations will have the madate to keep the Feast of Tabernacles and all the other feast that God in Leviticus 23 says are "everlasting ordinances" but the kingdom is here and now (Luke 17:21) we are just waiting for the return of the King, so we have to learn His ways now so we will be ready when He comes that what grace is.
by the way... your research has fallen very short. There is a book on this subject called "The Forgotten Day". This book has never been challenged by anyone... perhaps you could be the first?
It was not the intent of this video to be exhaustive in nature. Hundreds of books have been written on this subject so to cover every aspect in an hour-long video is not do-able. My intent was to cover what I believe were certain important points, some that are not normally part of the argument.
I have not read The Forgotten Day by Dr. Desmond Ford. Is that the one you are referencing? What points does the book make that you think I would need to challenge?
The ancient holy Israelis would generally have family Sabbath gathering Friday evening until bed time, then wake up early and head to the corporate assembly to tarry there from morning until night. Sometimes they would have continuation of Sabbaths called Havdallahs, this would lead to even higher realms of Glory. I have never found a church that faithfully keeps the Sabbaths in Yahoshua ha Moshiach like the scripture states. Not even Messianic are into it. Do you believe in keeping in this way?
yahokobbenyah 3 months ago
@yahokobbenyah In short, yes I do believe in keeping Sabbath/Shabbat in that way. No buying/selling, no secular work, gathering with family, convening for corporate worship, no cooking (we prefer to eat whole foods that do not require cooking such as fruits and nuts) but food that was made in advance is acceptable, spending that time furthering our knowledge and strengthening our relationship to the Father, is how we observe Sabbath.
EraunaoGraphe 3 months ago
@EraunaoGraphe Thank you for your kind response! You have no idea how much this encouraged me hearing that you are into revival like ancient Israel! Right now, I live in the Bible belt in western North Carolina and I haven't found anyone who is willing to keep the Sabbaths as the scripture states for refreshing. People just don't understand the beauty of God's commandments and the blessings that flow out of the Olive Tree. I am planning on moving out of this dry Bible belt very soon, back to Fl.
yahokobbenyah 3 months ago
Most Christians do not know how to keep the Sabbath even if they believe in honoring it. God commands us to not cook on the Sabbaths, to not buy and sell on the Sabbaths, to not do any "secular work" (if you will) on the Sabbaths, to not travel far on the Sabbaths, and to have Holy Convocations (Revival Gatherings) on the Sabbaths. This way everyone tarries together in one accord at one place to pray, praise, worship, fast from all lawlessness, etc... until the Glory appears. Continue:
yahokobbenyah 3 months ago
Who give the rest ? God or Sabbath ? Jesus came to give us the rest... this is biblical. Other time, God enter in relationship with us by the law, today, he enter in relationship with us by Christ, the new covenant... and our only mediator.
an35tares 4 months ago
@an35tares I would humbly ask that you watch the rest of the video for all of your points are answered.
EraunaoGraphe 4 months ago
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an35tares 4 months ago
I have been watching youtube for a while, and your videos are my favorite videos. Have you read some of Bachiocchi's book. He has past away, I met him several times.
Your videos are not only interesting to me but they have come in my life at a time when I want to trust God like I have not in the past.
medusa210562 6 months ago
the sabbath of the 'ten commandments' is SATURDAY!
MrFaithful69 1 year ago
Question for you then... Why did Jesus said for his disciples to pray for the day for them to flee from Jerusalem don't fall on the Sabbath day or winter on the time of the destruction from the Romans to come? Jesus knew that he would be dead and resurrected by then, he could only had said pray for it to don't be on a winter but why why why did he had to add the sabbath in it???????????? Maybe he got confused and forgot that his death would take care of it ?????????
GallantMind 1 year ago
@GallantMind I've read your post thrice through and I have to admit that I'm not sure what you mean. The passage found in Matt 24:20 is actually good proof that Christ intended for the Sabbath to continue past His death & ressurection; else why instruct His disciples to continue to regard it?
Are we making the same point here? We might be.
EraunaoGraphe 1 year ago
@EraunaoGraphe
Maybe I just didn't understand you video then... I watched it way to fast, anyways God bless you.
GallantMind 1 year ago
I found this video very cool I must admit, but one very powerful and real point that most be added to this obviously ongoing debate is: Jesus = God - do you not agree? If this is true, how can you then, change what 'His Rest' refers to? all you did in this was just using the ideas that you thought up to support your argument rather than what the scripture says. i.e your interpretation of what Jesus meant by saying ‘his rest’ I agree on early comments about the commandments by the way good stuff
Lorizle 1 year ago
@Lorizle Greetings - I guess I must inquire as to what you believe "His rest" refers to before I can properly address your question. What I did in this video was to refer to the original Greek & take into account the subject of the discussion at hand in order to determine what Yeshua meant in Matt 11:28. Would kindly inform me as to what you believe "His rest" refers in Matt 11:28 so we can have a meaningful discussion? Thank you.
EraunaoGraphe 1 year ago
Saviours 7day Sabbath is a 24 hour time period, not Christ our Saviour.
LifeisaboutLove1 1 year ago 4
@LifeisaboutLove1 Are you saying you agree or disagree with the information in my video? Sorry, I am not clear as to what you meant.
EraunaoGraphe 1 year ago
@EraunaoGraphe I agree 100 percent with what you say in all of your videos.
I hear some people say that Christ our Saviour is their sabbath, that is just wrong. Christ's 7th day Sabbath is a 24 hour period of time.
LifeisaboutLove1 1 year ago 4
The real reason that this is a modern issue is because people just don't want to think about going to church on Saturday, or joining a new church. We concoct rhetoric to avoid those 2 main things. We fool ourselves, but that's all we fool, because God made it clear in the 10 commands. We continue to adhere to 9 of them religiously and legally, yet the 4th we ignore. You should consider the 4th like the others. Then learn more of why it was given! God is not moved! Start with part 1 in my vids.
ExposerOfYourLies 1 year ago 3
I think sometimes we make this way more complicated than it is!
We act like the 10 commandments are not to be followed any more. We argue with every piece of rhetoric, except the fact that God gave 10 commands to Moses, and no man could change them. Sabbath was the 4th. It it said work 6 days and rest on 7th. Forget the foolishness, and start there. Then know that the Jews twisted it. Then know that in Hebrews 3:7 thru 4:12 it was clarified for the modern people of God! See my videos for more!
ExposerOfYourLies 1 year ago 3
And thank you for your perspective although I disagree with some of it.
AskStephenMaples 1 year ago
May the Holy Spirit guide and keep you...
AskStephenMaples 1 year ago 2
@AskStephenMaples And may the Spirit guide you into all truth as well, my brother. Shabbat shalom.
EraunaoGraphe 1 year ago 2
First of all - Saturday is not the correct day either (YouTube "Julian Calendar")
Second - The Sabbath was not just a day but also a yearly and a jubilee (and yes - if you work those years you break the Sabbath "time" because you would be consuming consumables which are made by sowing and reaping from the land)
Third - The Exodus Into the Wilderness is where the Sabbath was given as the Israelites were sustained with the manna which pointed to the Sabbath. Hence - the Sabbath points to Christ
AskStephenMaples 1 year ago
@AskStephenMaples In answer:
First - The change from the Julian calendar to the Gregorian calendar did not affect the days of the week, just the monthly cycle. So on this point you are incorrect.
Second - Please re-read Leviticus chapter 23; the monthly & yearly sabbaths were distinct and seperate from the Sabbath of the Lord (Lev. 23:37 & 38). As such, the restraints you place on the weekly Sabbath are in err.
(cont)
EraunaoGraphe 1 year ago
Third - The manna represented Christ, not the Sabbath. See: John 6:58. Please don't mix metaphors to establish your point, please.
EraunaoGraphe 1 year ago
@EraunaoGraphe Again, I could go in to detail here but essentially consider this: "John tells us that “All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. (John 1: 3) The Sabbath points to Jesus Christ. After all, God made all things through Him and He was the word from the beginning through which all things are sanctified and therefore He is Lord of the Sabbath. Since "rest / Sabbath" was from the beginning as well - the commandment was pointing to redemption"
AskStephenMaples 1 year ago
@AskStephenMaples I agree with you that the Sabbath has a spiritual facet pointing towards redemption (a soteriological type), a point I discuss in my Dissertation on Heb 4:1-11 video. But this aspect does not trump the other two aspects that the Sabbath comprehends (creation commemoration, eschatological significance). Further, Christ kept the Sabbath DAY even though He acknowledged all of these aspects. In fact, it is in recognition of these facets that should cause us to observe the day.
EraunaoGraphe 1 year ago 2
@EraunaoGraphe --- Unfortunately there is not enough room to go into a detailed exegesis here; however, the Hebrews did not follow a calendar by week but rather by lunar solar cycles which scripture specifically states is what determines times and seasons. Second, in Hebrew - there is NO DISTINCTION in Hebrew for the word meaning of Sabbath referring to both weekly and yearly Sabbaths. The yearly were "in addition to or along with" so they are ALL Sabbath.
AskStephenMaples 1 year ago
@AskStephenMaples I too wish there were more space to allow fuller explanation. The Hebrews had two calendars, a civil & ceremonial. Both of these calendars, while reckoned with the moon cycle, required the counting of weeks as well. So weeks were important to them as they are to us today.
I agree that etymologically there is no difference in the word Sabbath when it is referring to a feast or the 7th day, but that really isn't a valid point for the context in which Sabbath was used would...
EraunaoGraphe 1 year ago 2
... allow to listener/reader to know which was being referred to. The same is true in English; take the word bow for example: it has at least 5 meanings as a noun and no less than 3 meanings as a verb yet such has not caused confusion. The same is true phonetically: consider eight and ate. Besides, the commandment is specific and what applies to the 7th-day Sabbath doesn't always apply to the other Sabbaths - God laid out the distinctions & directions, we shouldn't gloss them over & misapply.
EraunaoGraphe 1 year ago 2
rest is what we used to HAVE to do literally, on a certain day. But now, we do not have to have an ACTUAL DAY to rest, but have "PEACE OF MIND" or "quietness in our hearts" if we have the Christ.
colossians 2:16
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days
we can if we want to, but that statement was meant for those of the circumsision...jews by nature. When they would judge gentiles for not honoring the sabbath.
JeshuaLivingWord 2 years ago
Please see my video entitled "The Sabbath in Colossians 2:14-17" and you will see that is not the case.
Bless you.
EraunaoGraphe 2 years ago
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SabbathCommandment 2 years ago
JeshuaLivingWord, I like to tell people to get a Greek-English interlinear Bible to understand meaning more. You have twisted the meaning of this verse which tells believers to not let people outside of the church tell you how/what to eat and drink and other particulars of the Holy Days. The seventh day Sabbath and Holy Days are in effect and the Apostle Paul kept these days; just read Acts carefully and you will see. Jesus didn't change it - that's what matters, false church people did.
SabbathCommandment 2 years ago
Actually...i have a Greek/Hebrew to English concordance. And what you are mistaken in is my speech. It is true, the Sabbath days, and the Holy days are still to be remembered, and if you want, to be observed, BUT what you do not understand is that we do not HAVE TO FOLLOW THEM. Paul kept those days...do you know why? he was of the circumsision, and Jews who accepted Jesus as Christ mostly reverenced the days as well, but did you read on when paul told others NOT to judge another on these days?
JeshuaLivingWord 2 years ago
But was it not Paul that said there was no difference between the Jew & the Greek (Gentiles) in God's view? Therefore, Paul wouldn't have kept the Feasts merely because he was of Israelite decent - he kept them because it was a perpetual memorial (Exo 12) that hadn't yet been fulfilled (Col. 2:16,17). Notice those shadows "are" - current tense, not past tense.
EraunaoGraphe 2 years ago
yes, you speak truly, gal. 3:28, and i believe that there is no distinction IN GOD'S EYES as a means of salvation. But we are talking about customs, and traditions of men, which WERE once traditions to be kept...ordered by God. Paul did keep the feasts and some of the tradtions mainly because he grew up with them. Jesus came and took away the NEED for us to obey the customs and traditions. But, He did not come to tell the Jews they could NOT celebrate the feasts...
JeshuaLivingWord 2 years ago
...but He said that we could reverance the feasts and traditions, only, He told us not to boast in them...in the flesh. What i mean is that we do not gain righteousness through keeping of the sabbaths, and feasts, which is where catholics are mistaken. But we CAN if we want to, only remember that righteousness is gained by grace and not law...anymore. Read Acts ch22, and you will get a clearer picture of what i am talking about, how Gentiles (us) do not have to keep feasts...God bless
JeshuaLivingWord 2 years ago
Okay, I think I have a clearer picture of what you are talking about. And it is true, that keeping the law does not earn us any righteousness before God. But that was never the purpose of the law anyway, which is why Paul said in 1 Tim 1:8 "But we know that the law [is] good, if a man use it lawfully;" Legalism (i.e. attempting to earn one's salvation by law-keeping) is an unlawful use of the law. But there are lawful uses/purposes of the law that Christians are disregarding.
EraunaoGraphe 2 years ago
you said: But there are lawful uses/purposes of the law that Christians are disregarding.
Okay, what are you talking about when you say this? not being mean or anything, but i just want to know. And if i am wrong on anything, i will humbly apoligize, and be corrected. The only reason i ask and comment is to "test the spirits" and spread truth, so sorry it i came off on the wrong way. God bless. But could you inform me about "christians disregarding" laws? thank you
JeshuaLivingWord 2 years ago
No need to worry, I know you aren't attacking me (we're on the same side) and I don't read any unintended malice in your posts. I, however, must apologize to you for being so short and defensive in my initial responses to you. Please, accept my humble apology.
What I mean is that there are many Christian denominations/individuals that hold the belief that there are no laws whatsoever for the Christian other than the flexible/undefined 'love'. While it is true that all obedience & service ...
EraunaoGraphe 2 years ago
should be based on the foundation of love, that love should be the motivation, too often the term 'love' is used to replace direct commandments. The Sabbath, for example, is one of those. But we could also include such things as not judging a matter until we've heard both sides (Jn 7:51), dressing modestly (1 Tim 2:9), and others. It is as if the concept, and commandment, to be sanctified has been lost. Does that clarify my comment?
EraunaoGraphe 2 years ago
...the ways of Yah. We do not gain righteousness by doing anything but believing in Christ, but he who practices righteousness is righteous and He is righteous (see 1 John 3:4-9). Keeping the commandments does not mean you are earning salvation it is just imitating Christ and being obedient.
rjpro81 2 years ago
well, you are right at some points, but look at James ch3..."show me your faith and i will my works" if we do not follow God, then we do not know God, and he who sins is not of God, and sinning is going against the law of Grace, which include commandments.
JeshuaLivingWord 2 years ago
thanks for responding, the bible defines sin as the transgression of the law (1 John 3:4), that is why Jesus came because of man's transgression of Yah's laws, I am not sure what you mean by the law of grace...the perfect law of liberty is the 10 commandments (see James 2 and Psalm 119:45)...Can you find one scripture where our Lord says that we don't have to do the commandments anymore?
rjpro81 2 years ago
...by no means did i say that we did not have to follow the 10 commandments...that is what Jesus came to do, to fufill them, and other things as well. What we do not have to do is the customs, and the statutes and ordinances. When we sin, we can repent. But before, according to statutes and ordinances, we would have to sacrifice a sin offering...lamb on the cross abolished this.
JeshuaLivingWord 2 years ago
The feasts days are not Jewish they belong to Yah...He calls them MY FEAST DAYS (see Leviticus 23). The new covenant was not made with Gentiles but with the house of Judah and Israel (Jeremiah 31:31-34), Gentiles are grafted into Israel as Paul points out in Romans 11 and Ephesians 2. Faith is what brings you into the house of God but when you come into the house you must learn to live by the rules of the household (Acts 15:21) the Apostles expected the Gentiles to atten synagogue and learn...
rjpro81 2 years ago
And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him (Matthew 3:15). My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness (Psalm 119:172). Why would you not want to do God's commandments they are righteousness? Did Jesus die so we don't have to do God's commandments or so that we can do them? Please read Ezekiel 36:26-28 and Jeremiah 31:31-34.
rjpro81 2 years ago
And, no, i have not twisted the meaning of the verse, PLEASE tell me where you think i have. And what you may not know/remember is that Paul spoke to Peter, concerning the judgement of Gentiles...so, it is not just outsiders, but those inside as well. Jesus actually did change it, He abolished the need for honoring the days, WE ARE ABLE TO HAVE SALVATION THROUGH GRACE, AND NOT LAW ANYMORE. What you are speaking of is just as those wanting others to be circumsised...boasting in the flesh.
JeshuaLivingWord 2 years ago
I don't think I accused you of twisting verses; please point to the post where I did this. Also, how are you defining 'salvation'? Are you distinguishing between justification & sanctification as Paul did? My video is dealing with the aspect of sanctification - not justification. Christ justified us, true, but He works through us for sanctification. And we don't get to define what sanctifies us, only God can do that.
EraunaoGraphe 2 years ago
sorry, i was replying to someone elses comment on you video. He/she knows who i am talking to.
JeshuaLivingWord 2 years ago
My apologies, brother.
EraunaoGraphe 2 years ago
Following God's ways means keeping his commandments (Deuteronomy 8:6), Christ came to teach us how to be sons and to walk in God's law the way that He always intended men to walk in them. Not to be justified, because only faith in Christ justifies a man, but God's laws is how He governs His kingdom and people and every word of God is pure (proverbs 30:5). Please read 1 John 5:1-5, Revelation 14: 12, Revelation 22:14...we don't keep the commandments to get saved but because we are saved.
rjpro81 2 years ago 3
yes, i know that we do not keep the commandments to be saved...because with Christ we are already saved, but if we are transgressing, then we say that we do not know Christ. Salvation is gained through Christ, losing it is through transgression.
JeshuaLivingWord 2 years ago
Christ Himself said that He never came to destroy the law or prophets but to fulfill (Matthew 17:20), meaning to magnify or teach us the proper way to keep it, not just by the letter but by the Spirit a renewed heart through love. Not like the religious leaders of the day who had an outward form of righteousness and set up their own traditions that made God's commandments of no effect. Paul's letters can be taken out of context (Romans and Galatians) and seem to speak against keeping the law.
rjpro81 2 years ago 2
i think i am not explaining myself thoroughly...sorry, what i mean is that we do not have to follow the ceremonial law. Which is the clean, unclean bathing until evening...etc. and Paul's letters are speaking of those who boast in the flesh, which is the ceremonial law, and it is not profitable. But the ceremonial law is NOT the 10 commandments, which we are commanded to follow, fully. Hope that helps God bless
JeshuaLivingWord 2 years ago
no problem, thanks for clarifying and responding...the only law that Christ abolished is sacrifices and offerings for sin. Leviticus 23 says that these feasts are "everlasting" and we will be keeping them in the kingdom (see Zechariah 14, Ezekiel 40-45, Isaiah 66). Christ even commanded the man cleansed from leprosy to keep Moses "the clean/unclean" laws (Luke 5:14)
rjpro81 2 years ago 2
so does that mean we have to keep the Feast of Tabernacles/passover and other feasts? I know that the passover (actual lamb) was replaced by breaking of bread, and drinking of wine (very small amount) for symbolism of the blood and body of Christ...but what about the Feast of Taberancles, and the other feast i forgot the name for....?
JeshuaLivingWord 2 years ago
yes, the lamb was replaced and so the uncirumcised can participate in Passover (see Exodus 12:43-45) and yes Zechariah 14:16-21 shows that when Christ returns all nations will have the madate to keep the Feast of Tabernacles and all the other feast that God in Leviticus 23 says are "everlasting ordinances" but the kingdom is here and now (Luke 17:21) we are just waiting for the return of the King, so we have to learn His ways now so we will be ready when He comes that what grace is.
rjpro81 2 years ago
by the way... your research has fallen very short. There is a book on this subject called "The Forgotten Day". This book has never been challenged by anyone... perhaps you could be the first?
maadcat 2 years ago
It was not the intent of this video to be exhaustive in nature. Hundreds of books have been written on this subject so to cover every aspect in an hour-long video is not do-able. My intent was to cover what I believe were certain important points, some that are not normally part of the argument.
I have not read The Forgotten Day by Dr. Desmond Ford. Is that the one you are referencing? What points does the book make that you think I would need to challenge?
EraunaoGraphe 2 years ago
Question: Which of the 10 Commandments did Jesus defend the most? Answer: the 4th
maadcat 2 years ago
I would love to hear your thoughts on 1 Corinthians 9:19-22.
preachinshawn 2 years ago 2
I have sent you a PM to answer that for the explanation is too long for this comment area. (Sorry brother)
EraunaoGraphe 2 years ago