Why Do We Leave ISKCON? Dlaczego opuszczamy ISKCON? Part 2

[NaturalRepublic]

I thought it was all about Krishna, not earthly personalities. Just saying.

[DarkHanZelo]

I read,in internet,many "battle" between different association, and it's pretty sad..Every one can follow his hearth in devotion and must search to UNITE devotee with different purpose to reach Krishna (that is the CENTER!) beacause I think that the more important thing it's GIVE to people Maha-mantra. It's the Key! We have many books of Srila Prabhupada. We recieve His mercy, the Krishna mercy! It's just an incredible benediction to have Bhagavad Gita! So we must "only" give our live to Krishna

[DarkHanZelo]

Mission that was "cut" too because didn't accept ISCKON Swami...But with many "voices" of Srila Prabhupada teaching (phsicologic, accademic, full of Bhakti, ecc.) can attract many people! Then people must search, by Krishna mercy, the him self purify...I think simply that there is only one Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada or only one Srila Gaurakishora, Dasa Babaji that is not so simply "replicable". However devotee must discuss together (ISCKON or NOT) to do a good service for GOD :)

[DarkHanZelo]

Hare Krishna! :) I think that there is many wonderful exsamples of devotion. Like Gaurakishora Dasa Babaji Maharaja, that chanted all days!! Simply chanted! And His life was perfect :) But I think that there is many faces of devotion, all focused in Sri Radha-Krishna. Somebody talk about Krishna with "technical mood" and somebody prefere the "pure" devotion, like old school. I don't undestand why Sri Narayana Maharaja was "cut" from ISCKON, I know some devotee of Krishna that come from Caitanya

[Gauraonline]

Srila Prabhupada said that if someone leaves ISKCON, it is 50 % their fault and 50 % the fault of the devotees in ISKCON. If we are humble, we will look at our 50 %. If we are not , we will look at other's short comings to justify our leaving. Those who love Srila Prabhupada are on the Prabhupada Marathon right now, distributing millions of his books during this month of Decemeber, as he requested. Those who are not doing this directly, are providing the back up service to facilitate others

[108premdas]

@Gauraonline, so why we can accept that Śrila Prabhupada left his spiritual master organization and we do not think, that he left his spiritual master, but if somebody leave ISKCON we try to impose on him impression of fault or guilt, and we say that he left Srila Prabhupada?

[NaturalRepublic]

@108premdas What you have stated here makes perfect sense. I do not understand why any seeker of truth doesn't get it other than to say that they still choose to cling...

I have noticed that currently, there seems to be a war of the gurus out there among their devotees. What a turn-off. People have a penchant for taking what is pure and adding impurity to it. I think I'll just stick to Krishna and the bhagavad gita.

[FlyAssMe100]

@Gauraonline Srila should have never trusted these crazy white boy's lol They seem like there just puppet's, what dude is saying is true though

[journallhorizon]

its conciousness ,,,GOD....KRISHNA conciousness we can never leave conciousness only exeperience it in a purer ..DIVINE way.

This ISKCON organisation ....was created to help to attain .to .experience this conciousness ...who care about following or even listening to any other ...if one as been an initiated diciple of Prabhupad

For us that over many years have experience the magic of his DARSHAN ...nothing of the little mostly phoney gurus like GOPAL KRISHNA and others can even compare

[charukrsnadasa]

PrabhupadaVani. org/main/Nectar_of_devotion/NO­D14.html

If not for Srila Narayana Maharaja, I would not be alive and moreover would never known anything of Sri Krsna Chaitanya, Srila Prabhupada, or Parampara mercy.

Thousands of Srila Prabhupada books have been distributed because Srila Narayana Maharaha asked me to.

[spyk316]

Ohh please don't leave Iskcon, how can the 6000+devotees in Russia, the 5000+ devotees in Europe, the 10000+ devotees in India survive?? how will the Vedic Planetorium in Mayapur be constructed, how will the new farm communities in Finland, Russia, Hungary and India survive!?!!

Do you numpties really think anyone in Iskcon gives a rat's furry arse to why you'll left?? I am not talking of Maharaja here personally but others who criticize Iskcon for no reason, I respect Maharaja, its his opinion.

[Gauraonline]

Why do we leave ISKCON ? One reason is when we accept Tridandi Maharaja's preaching here who tells us that we don't have nikunja yuno rati keli siidhai gurus in ISKCON, but that the SNM camp does, so what is the conclusion ? Leave the ISKCON camp that Srila Prabhupada started. I have love and affection for you. You treated me very kind , and sometimes harshly. If this is best for your soul fine, but please don't offend ISKCON's pure devotees by minimizing them. This will not bring you closer

[gaura992000]

Fighting will stop when one follows the right opinion given by the real Acarya and advances to the stage of real devotion. " When the Acarya departed the real followers followed the right opinion and the false the wrong one.Those who strictly followed the order of the Acarya were watered by the mercy of Lord caitanya." CC adi ch 12 paraphrased for conciseness. Generally Neither iskcon, or any math is following the real order of Their claimed Shiksha Guru to make disciples on his behalf &avoid GM

[brucaX10]

The CIA and the racist western secret organizations conspire and murdered this great soul. They felt his spiritual movement (non-evangelical) was spreading like wildfire all over the world and poses a danger to their corrupt political, cultural and organized religious system. These satanic dogs planted child molesters and murderers in PRABHUPADAS movement to blemish his good name and take over and destroy the Hare Krisna movement.

[shakeexon]

@brucaX10 so did some one tell you this ? or is it divine revelation...pray tell

[mangalamata]

@sofallen1 I guess you don't know Tridandi Maharaj but he HAS given up all subtle and gross sex life- how can you call names when you don't know someone at all? Don't you know about vaishnava aparadha?

[joenugent2010]

I also met Srila Prabhupada back in 1973, heard his harikatha and heard the mahamantra from him during his lecture. I always considered him my Guru but only really understood the magnitude of his mercy after I took shelter of Srila Narayan Goswami Mj, my Gurudeva.

[joenugent2010]

Nice one Tridandiji!

[pandavski]

there are so many people suffering in this world... they have no idea of Lord Gauranga's mercy ... so yes, we are so advanced spiritualy now that we keep fighting each other... true vaisnava mood... may Lord Gauranga bless you so you can spread love of God ... love for Krishna, that's what we ALL need...

[pandavski]

Oh, well, seems thata you know everything about S.Prabhupada...

but I'm glad He came to the West otherwise your uttama guru wouldn't...

I will continue my faith in Him and my siksa guru... I wish you lots of mercy

of Lord Gauranga, but remember, when you will quit present body movie of your

whole life will be played in fornt of your eyes... what will you tel then to the Lord we are all trying to please ? So maybe stop this venomous preaching and work togather to spread mission of the Lord ...

[108premdas]

@pandavski, there is too much hatred and jealousy in the hearts of the members of ISKCON to be able to cooperate with them. is not Srila Narayana Maharaja rejected them, but they did. ultimately it is Srila Prabhupada instructed his disciples to work with Gaydiya Math knowing his disciples nature. So first try to understand to whom SP addressed his instructions.

[tenthousandyearsgoon]

@108premdas nice

[108premdas]

@pandawski, Just look in your heart! You do not even understand that in line of Vaisnavas every acarya is on his predecessors. SP also did. There is no fault . that is the Vedic system. no one, who is a true devotee is independent of one's predecesors. we hope that in the future the time will come, that members of ISKCON abandon their sectarian mentality and become mature enough to cooperate. We also wish you this.

[108premdas]

@pandavski, I have no fear of my death, and my next destinationam, I depend on my Srila Gurudeva, because the whole time my Gurudeva is present in my heart and I know whom I will refer my prayers to at this time. there is no anxiety in me. but look at your aversion towards him, and his disciples, and see how much it destroys your taste for bhakti. you think Sri Caytanya Mahabrabu likes it.?

[108premdas]

@pandavski, Your deliverance and your future does not depend on your imagination on it, but on the facts. one does not win who preachs the yells louder pelted with insults, but one who is dear to Sri Caytanya Mahabrabu. grow up spiritually. stop destroying your spiritual taste by committing images to clean fans, as my Guru. teach first to yourself and try to follow it, you have much to be done. perhaps you can do it in this life.

[mangalamata]

@pandavski why do you hate?

[pandavski]

did not explain this in his teachings casue he knew, that his followers and their

disciples are premature so they are not ready to hear more ?

Please, if you want to preach then preach any school you want but BACK OFF

from Prabhupada's movement ok? Yes, there are some issues but time will clear it... but if you have eaten from the hand that fed you and now you bite it then you are delusional and all who do same ... So DARE to start your new school and don't bark at others...no more to say....

[108premdas]

@pandavski, do not be ridiculous, or tell it to your beloved Srila Prabhupada, who rejected his guru maharaja gaudiya math organization and set up his own. than, later on, in his last days he said to his disciples: "the war is over, now you should cooperate". so in fact you should follow his last instruction if you really consider yourself his follower.

[pandavski]

but general point of vaisnava school is that if you got initiation from your guru

you don't jump like a monkey for more initiations because other devotee supposedly is on this or other level !!! Where did you get it he ?...you can have several instructing gurus BUT not ecessarily another INITIATION! This is against the principles. If you advise anybody to get initiation form another guru then you are insane !! But do whatever you want... take another guru... but maybe Srila Prabhupada ...

[108premdas]

@pandavski @pandavski ok, that maybe generally correct, there is no need to take next initiation from other (hight class) vaishnava guru, unless your previous is not fallen, or opposed that hight class vaishnava guru. in these circumstances one should imidiately give up such false guru, and take shelter onto the uttama-adhikari guru, and accept initiation from him.

[108premdas]

@pandavski if one's guru is on kanistha, or madhiama level one needs to take instruction from living uttama-adhikari guru or similar devotee yet. guru can elevate his disciple only to the platform of his own advancement, not higher. so in such circumstances one should ask for permission ones own kanistha, or madhiama guru to take instruction from higher one.

[108premdas]

@pandavski if guru is not envious of higher vaishnava he will grant promission, if he is, he is a fals guru and should be rejected like one's stool. so with one's guru permission there is no need to take other initiation from higher one, otherwise there is a need.

[pandavski]

ehhh... so because I got initiation from Iskcon guru, and it's all "wrong" then I got to brake my vows and sick another initiation form .... I'm so sorry... Narayan Maharaj has left... so ... nobody will have a chance to progress...but only those chosen who took initiation from NM?.. devotees GIVE ME A BREAK !...NONE OF THOSE ELEVATED INDIAN GURUS DARE TO PREACH KRISHNA'S GLORIES... THEY WERE OK JUST TO LIVE IN VRINDAVAN OR BENGAL AND NOW BLAME ISKCON AND PRABHUPADA'S MOVEMENT ? SHAME ON YOU !

[108premdas]

@pandavski, the point is one should have got initiation from uttama adhikari devotee. still there are few on the planet. you should consider to find one out for yourself. with pease of mind...

[108premdas]

@sofallen1 You fool, go to hell with all your hatred and ignorance ... It is too late for you to listen to arguments based on the guru, sadhu and siasta with a calm mind and happy heart.

[21jivencool]

NM has left ths world...now you will know wht is going to happen to you'll...the sam thing happend in iskcon will happen to you'll....then lets see wether the judgements that you followers of narayana maharaj made is true or not...dont think that I dont knw what is going on in the pure bhakti movements...problems have started...i know whts happening....

[21jivencool]

many gurus sent by bhaktisddhantha saraswati went to th west but their mission dint work out. then he sent prabhupada to the west..HE ESTABLISHE A WIDE KINGDOM OF KRISHNA CONSCIOUSNESS!!!!....NARAYANAN­A MAHARAJ CAN EASILY TELL THAT ISKCON PEOPLE ARE MONEY MAKERS....WHT DOES HE KNOWS...ISKCON IS A BIG MOVEMENT AND GETTIG BIGGER AND WE HAVE NON DEVOTEES BECOMING DEOTEES EVERYDAY...NOT LIKE NAAYANA MAHARAJA'SMOVEMENT THAT HIS FOLLOWERS ARE ALL ... ALL FROM ISKCON OR SOME OTHER GAUDIYA MATHS.

[108premdas]

Great organization, buildings, or the impact on society does not necessarily mean high quality spiritual realization and spiritual purity. You can call supporters of ISKCON "devotees" in accordance to your sentiment and imagination, but it does not necessarily mean that their spiritual realization is durable and strong or that it is high class. BTW: how do you know what Srila Narayana Maharaja knows? Do you have insight into his mind and heart? What is your level of spiritual realization?

[21jivencool]

u have all blamed that ISKCON is a crazy movement and so on. And now the same waves that hit ISKCON after the disappearance of Srila Prabhupada is now hitting Narayana Maharaja's society. You think i don't know all this problems going in your Gaudiya Math's lately.Sripad Madhava Maharaja's problem as the case whether he is authorized to be an Acharya or not and Brajanath prabhu and so on. Congratulations!! u r behaving like a durable strong high classed realized person.

[21jivencool]

The six goswami's had written many literatures and also discovered many of them. Prabhupada says that those literatures are not recomended in future of kali yuga. Srila prabhupada strictly follows the order of the universal teacher srila bhaktisiddhanta sarswati. Prabhupaa says that everything is in his books. if anyone deny's this quote by prabhupada then they are like what prbhupada said...rasacal number one!!!....come on prabhupada is the senapati that mahaprabhu told!!

[21jivencool]

Bhaktisiddhantha Saraswati says to Srila Prabhupada many times that in coming times of Kaliyuga, literatures such as govinda lilamrta and so on will dissappeare because such is the condition of mankind. He says to have complete faith in the chanting of hare krishna which id coming from golok vrndavan...JUST HAVE FAITH AND CHANT HARE KRISHNA WITH LOE ...LET THE MAHA MANTRA BRING YOU STEP BY STEP.

[21jivencool]

our mind is so contaminated that we cannot undertand radha krishna's pastime..so, radha and krishna came as mahaprabhu to distribute prema by engaging us in sankirtan which is non different from raasa leela....Srila Prabhupada always says that Bhaktisiddhanta saraswati did not allow his disciples to discuss about raasa topics from literatures such govida lilamrta, ujavala nilamani and so on. Bhaktisiddhanta saraswati would get upset.

[21jivencool]

those who leave iskcon and jumping unto other moements are truly cowards!!..you tell that iskcon has got no raasa..well this is prabhupada's teachings: there is no difference between mahaprabhu's and radha krishna's pastimes. they are all the same. Krishna's topmost pastime is Raasa Leela and mahaprabh's topmost pastime is Sankirtan. the same pleasure derived from raasa leela can derive from sankirtan..it is the same!!!

[studykrishna]

Bravo. Your lecture can elevate devotees.

[studykrishna]

Bravo!

[studykrishna]

Bravo, Maharaja,



[TheManolakis]

very simple principle. You either follow the order of the Acharya {one who Teaches by Example} or not. You either accept the JAGAT GURU or not. HIS DIVINE GRACE so many times warned HIS disciples to avoid association with HIS godbrothers.HE gave explicit direction pertaining to initiation{RITVIC order} yet no one wants to follow HIS order.All want to do some lip service,yet loyalty is nowhere to be found.Prabhupad said everything we need to know is in HIS books yet this devotee knows better!MAYA

[108premdas]

@TheManolakis One moment... I heard this before several times in some other version: "Only Jesus! Otherwise got to hell!" (not to offend Jesus). You should consider these other words of Jesus for yourself: "They worship God with their tongues, but His is not in their hearts".

[sadhubeast]

@TheManolakis

It is really Maya to think that everything are only in Prabhupad's books. What abt the books of Sri Rupa and Sanatana? Waht was in there wasnt sufficient?? So what u say is that Prabhupad gave everything and the previous acaryas did not? If thats the case then I can boldly say that prabhupad manufactured his own thing. If he gave the same wine in a different bottle then the gaudiya acaryas are also doing the right thing.

[e1968]

Its very important i feel that we know about isckon & NM discrepancies as regards there policies/management but try to remain 'unbious' ,& try not to become confused by them, as i also feel the management of these organizations are still in there infancy. We should listen Prabhupada's/NMaharajas words, & Krsna's, & take anybody else's words under the proviso is it true or not or unbious, or does it make sense to us from what we've learnt from the real authorities. 

[e1968]

I personally see so many devotees in which ever organization there in being cheated, & also i see them cheating each other ie; because they want to be cheated or don't know any better (ie; because of there conditioning etc), or there authorities need to expand, sustain  'THERE' cause (business) or temple etc. But i have also meet devotees who collect large sums of money for these organisations who are very happy in there service .

[e1968]

Not just people in kc but people in general are conditioned to follow which is ok to a certain point, if the leadership is not corrupt , but blind followers can easily be cheated, especially by blind leaders/management who are in most cases just making it up as they go along or doing there best as regards there statue's & policies . Any politics can be a problem if we don't have some self realisation or understanding of what our god given rights are.

[e1968]

Watching this video i don't think its really a question of choosing sides as one of NM maharajah's swami's is saying, although this would be the first thing the material mind would try to do, after  listening to the conversation.I feel that this mentality is not benefiting anyone.

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[andyfish77]

leaving the iskcon organisation is one thing, but giving up the asocation of a great soul is anothere, the 2 are not the same, one can do the first leave the organisation iskcon without to much problem infact it is sometimes nessesery to get a job to earn a living etc, but its not advisable to do the second give up the assocation of any great soul especialy one like acbs prabhupada, gaura

[sadhubeast]

@andyfish77

How do you leave someone you havent met ?? I havent met your prabhupad so how to leave?? I dont know him. Please tell me a great one with such a huge brain...tell me.

[andyfish77]

a lot of what you are saying is good, some points are not correct these mis understandings you are discusing as i mentioned below have been going on a long time and i dont think you will disagree with me on the points i have rased if you look at your recording cairfully, gaura.

[andyfish77]

> have to be in the phisical presence of such a personality to receive instruction in order to go back to god-head just reading the books is enough when one is surendered he receives instruction, there are so many exhamples in bhagavatam, i am surprised you are taking this line and advertising gurus discrediting and comparing gurus, and putting acbsp on a lower status a material status, maybe you need to look at this recording and re-concider what you are saying, thats my opinion, gaura.

[andyfish77]

n this video you mention srla ac bhaktivedanta swami prabhpada dident or couldent give us everything this is what you are saying right, so this is a material calculation of a truly spiritual person who spread krsna conciousness over the whole planet, his ability to instruct his deciples by vani or vapu is possible, we now this from shasta and we have seen and experianced this, everything is there its not that we > continue on next post >

[tulsikrishna]

Dandavat Maharaj. Thank you so much for the explanation :)