There is only one thing anyone need to know about Islam, it was founded by a child molester. If that is not enough of a warning, the founder was also a murderer, rapist, bandit and above all, a slaver.
If the people of Mauritania want to develop their economy, they need to target industries. Apparently short on natural resources and technological skills, it looks like services and tourism is the way to go. In that case, everyone in Mauritania needs to embrace tolerance and to treat all people based on equality and respect. Their Muslims faith belongs in the home and NOT in the realms of governance. They need to accept responsibility for allowing extremists to coexist in their country.
.....north america kalling it "christianic extrimism"? Are you kidding me? Openminded people please form your picture of the truth based on facts not some rediculous newschannel butting up this kinds of things! Dangerous to go to mauritania, are you kidding me? Well maybe if you lack water or something like that!
....to give sentaces, the salafi scholars condemn Usama Bin Laudin, a salafi don't act agaainst the laws of a government runned by muslims in this manner. How many times do they say "extrimism", how in the world do they connect this with AlQaida? Do they have any link, AT ALL? Well it gives a more "extrimist" feeling if they mention that. Is it even related to religion?
Have you EVER seen a muslim newschannel putting up this kind of misinfo when gangwar takes place from south to.....^^^
This is the perfect example of "islamic extrimism" PROPAGANDA! I mean how many people gets killed in new york in ONE week? I mean 4 people got killed and "the peace was brutally shattered", are you kidding me? The people interviewed, especially the islamic scholar, is a very peaceful person who definetely DON'T preach any form of extrimism. Ignorance on a high level to say the least. A salafi believe that a muslim who explode himselfe will go to hell, a salafi believe that a cout of law is...
Hey all you islam, your religion is not real, you are nothing but baby killers, just like how two Islamic men walked in a church 3 days ago and shot 51 Christians to death half of them were babies ages from 1 month to 15 months. Your muhammad if you ever read the quran you would know that he used to sleep with men and ejaculate on them. Also he used to have sex with his daughters in-laws. That’s what said in the quran. muhammad had lots of lice in his hair cuz he did not know how to shower.
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Translation from Arabic Text:
"People told Mohamed that Kanana Abn Elnaudir knows where the hidden treasure is. Mohamed brought him and inquired about the treasure. Kanina denied knowledge of the money. Mohamed said "torture him until he talks". He was tortured to death."
Everything I needed to learn about Islam was taught to me by 19 good, devout Muslims on September 11th., 2001. Thanks Islam for all you've done for me! Really, it's a load of fun.
There is so much hatred toward muslims and little that explore Islam and its beliefs. Or understanding of why there is radicalization that is being expressed.
Please see the you tube videos - they are not hate videos about muslims but give a reasonable documented point of view regarding about Islam the Qurans interpetations and one muslims man story and struggle with radicalism and its results and effects
north america kalling it "christianic extrimism"? Are you kidding me? Openminded people please form your picture of the truth based on facts not some rediculous newschannel butting up this kinds of things! Dangerous to go to mauritania, are you kidding me? Well maybe if you lack water or something like that!
to give sentaces, the salafi scholars condemn Usama Bin Laudin, a salafi don't act agaainst the laws of a government runned by muslims in this manner. How many times do they say "extrimism", how in the world do they connect this with AlQaida? Do they have any link, AT ALL? Well it gives a more "extrimist" feeling if they mention that. Is it even related to religion?
Have you EVER seen a muslim newschannel putting up this kind of misinfo when gangwar takes place from south to.....^^^
This is the perfect example of "islamic extrimism" PROPAGANDA! I mean how many people gets killed in new york in ONE week? I mean 4 people got killed and "the peace was brutally shattered", are you kidding me? The people interviewed, especially the islamic scholar, is a very peaceful person who definetely DON'T preach any form of extrimism. Ignorance on a high level to say the least. A salafi believe that a muslim who explode himselfe will go to hell, a salafi believe that a cout of law is...
We want to live in a world of happy Muslims who are prosperous and do business with us.
I don't want mosques in my neighborhood, but if you live in Algeria and want to trade then let's trade and be prosperous.
Nonetheless, Muslim supremacists will receive a lesson, sometimes using US air strikes, until they understand their limitations. We don't want the 1990s to return; Islamic supremacism had too much freedom then, which led to greater problems later.
I give you a final statement of logic: If a person physically living in the West is heterodox to Western values and behaviors, then that person is probably not a Westerner. A Westerner is not merely a physical designation of habitation but a definition of cultural values and worldview. I am writing this response to not only educate you but to reach out to others who may read what you say and be influenced by your lack of understanding and your ill-informed spin on my statements.
I'm going to cut this short and not address the remainder of your comments individually. I will say this, however : You have assumed a number of things to be correct (such as that there is a single set of cultural values and a singular worldview that is had by any two or more individuals who are identified as being "Westerners"), and you have based your argument on assuming that those assumptions are correct.
You have again proven exactly what I have observed about you. That simply because someone can articulate an issue does not mean that what that person is saying is intelligent. You have demonstrated that you are the one offering "opinions." You lack scholarship in your statements. And you don't support your assertions with any authoritative reference. Nor do you intelligently address the academic references that I have proffered to you.
You should have researched what I have stated to you, before embarking on a knee jerk response that lacks substance. Your ridiculous attempt to dissect my statements is ostensibly avoidant behavior in that you do not cite any countervailing scholarship to refute my conclusions. You simply come to conclusions without developing any basis for your opinions. So, sophomorically, you then position yourself as the authority.
My conclusions logically follow the develpment of the thesis statements that I have made. If you were truly intelligent, after having reseached my statements, you may find that you are in agreement and have learned something that you didn't know. The scientific method and empiricism are based on "intelligent" and informed assumptions or hypotheses, not opinions.
If you do not attempt to adequately educate yourself about a given topic, but take a position based on your solipsistic assumptions and prejudices, you will always come short intellectually. And, let me correct you, ad hominem statements are primarily associated with debate and incitation to prejudicial assumptions. My correspondence is not an issue of debate.
I am sincerely attempting to educate you. If you are astute enough to allow me to do so. I am not simply trying to get the last word here. You will lose out if you are simply trying to win some vainglorious argument. And then you are defeating your proposed agenda of furthering knowledge. Don't be intellectually lazy. Do the work required of a truly intelligent person and READ, CROSS REFERENCE, and ANALYZE, not CRITICIZE.
Without basing your discourse on true scholarship, and a broad knowledge base, your statements will continue to be empty and constitute mere complaints rather than informed observation. This discourse with you has been rather stimulating However, this is my final correspondence.
Leaving aside the questions of what it is (if anything) that supposedly makes a value a specifically Western value and what it is (if anything) that supposedly makes a behavior a specifically Western behavior, I would ask the following :
What about any number of individuals who is or are (at present) heterodox in regard to one or more of those allegedly existent "Western values and behaviors", but not in regard to one or more other of those allegedly existent "Western values and behaviors" - is he or she - or are they/we , or is he or she NOT - or are they/we NOT a Westerner or Westerners - or is he or she both - or are each of them/us BOTH Western and non-Western individuals?
In other words, might whatever the fully detailed concept of what you identify as being a Westerner (meaning one who has and expresses each and every one of those values and behaviors that you identify as being among those which constitute a person as being a Westerner) not be a true description of any actual individual?
What if EVERY PERSON who is living in the West is heterodox in regard one or more of each of those things that you believe to be Western values and behaviors? Would that mean that there is no one who is a Westerner? If no person both holds all of those values that you attribute as being Western values and exhibits all of those behaviors that you attribute as being Western behaviors, then who is to say that your idea of a Westerner is anything more than a figment of your own imagining?
You wrote: I am writing this response to not only educate you but to reach out to others who may read what you say and be influenced by your lack of understanding and your ill-informed spin on my statements.
Thats funny! It seems to me that you were writing your responses in attempt not to educate me, but to persuade me to accept as fact that which you assume - or wish to pretend to know - to be factual.
Yes, as the Christian Bible says: "You can be in the world [i.e., the West] and not of it." Just because I physically live in the West does not mean that I am a Westerner. This principle also applies for anyone else living here but who does not identify with Western culture.
You wrote: "This principle also applies for anyone else living here but who does not identify with Western culture."
Once again, the idea that there IS an actual Western culture - not just that there are and/or have been any number of more or less vaguely and differently imagined concepts of what Western culture supposedly consists of - may be an idea that you do believe, but that belief does not mean that there surely is a Western culture.
The true measure of a "good" person in the West is if he/she, like I have done, renounces Western culture and seeks to create something altogether new. Thus reform will avail nothing, the West requires a cultural revoution. Which will recreate societies in the image of something other than what we now deem to be the West. So I speak not only with intellectual authority but from personal experience.
Unfortunately, many societies in the West undergo purges (for example, anti-Islamism), "witch hunts (for example, Communist black listing in the USA)" or "ethnic cleansing (again, anti-Islamism in the Balkans )" to rid their societies of apostates or dissidents to the prevailing mores and values of a given society. Thus leading to a relative consensus, regarding the more important issues. Thus there is an illusion of diverse thought in the West.
I do not regard myself as a Westerner because I do not share the values or worldview of the prevailing society in which I live. From this society's inception, there has been an evil intent of genocide, expoitation, slavery and violence. The ends do not justify the means. In Islam, no halal (good, acceptable outcome) can be derived from haram (bad) methods.
The famous black American activist Eldridge Cleaver was noted for stating, when it comes to the struggle for justice, "You are either with us or against us." At that time, Cleaver did not consider himself as an "Amerikan" but a victim of "Amerikanism." Moreover, I was born in America and have lived here all of my life. My family, on both sides, have been here for so many generations we cannot recall when our ancestors first arrived to these shores.
For examples, both Chomsky and former independent Governor of Minnesota Jesse Ventura state that the Republican and Democratic parties of the USA are two sides of the same coin, differing only slightly in methodology but are in agreement when it comes to hegemonic/impeialistic goals. This paradigm of compliance and conformity may also be applied to individuals in the West.
You may also be misinterpreting the so-called dissidents or Western detractors of Western societies as being against the ultimate evil goals of these societies, but when they are in actuality simply disputing the METHODS of oppression and exploitation.
For example, the famous black intellectual W.E.B. Dubois became a Ghananian citizen. We exist as individuals but within the context of the societies in which we live; we do not exist in a vaccum. Individual identity is defined and can only exist within the context of the collective. To maintain a stake in an evil, hegemonic and exploitative society, by defintion, makes you evil by association.
Chomsky positions himself as a major critic of Western society and often cites Americans and Europeans, as a people, as "generally" having a historically pathological and violent culture. In fact, there are many expatriate Westerners who renounce allegiance to Western culture and often defect to other societies that promote very different values and agendas.
You wrote: "...there are many expatriate Westerners who renounce allegiance to Western culture ..."
That any one or more individuals has or have renounced what he or she - or they - (variously or identically) identify or identified as "Western culture" does not mean that there necessarily is a Western culture.
I suggest that you read the writings and listen to some of the lectures of the aforementioned intellectuals and then write to them (for example, Noam Chomsky) stating that they are in error and "generalizing." How LUDICROUS!!! For example, Noam Chomsky is quick to admit that his views and positions do not represent or define mainstream Western society.
You wrote: "...read the writings and listen to some of the lectures of the aforementioned intellectuals and then write to them...stating that they are in error and "generalizing."
Nice move - using both argument ad populum and argument from authority together in one shot!
No matter how many individuals do generalize for the sake of convenience - and no matter WHO those individuals are, that does not make generalizing logically correct.
@MENCADO For example, the famed slavery abolitionist, in the USA, John Brown valiantly rose up in arms, with his family and a few whites and freed slaves, against US society and martyred himself in order to achieve justice and freedom for blacks in America. However, Brown deemed himself to be antagonistic to the prevailing American culture and society, not exemplary of it.
That is, Western society was established and is being maintained based on values of Eurocentrism, imperialism, white supremacism, capitalism, anti-spiritualism (i.e., secularism), exploitation of the masses via plutocratic oligarchies, consumerism, ad nauseum. Enlightened individuals in the West do not gainsay when criticized but simply accept responsibility for the evils of their society and either leave the West or seek to change it.
You wrote: "That is, Western society was established and is being maintained ..."
That you characterize Western society as having been established and being maintained is according to a perception that you have of Western society which is not necessarily a correct perception.
Intellectual dissidents/activists such as Noam Chomsky, Howard Zinn, Michael Parenti, Malcolm X, Louis Farrakhan, Martin Luther King, Jr., Frances Cress Welsing, Neely Fuller, Chancellor Williams, John Henrik Clarke, Dr. Chip Smith, Tim Wise, former CIA agent John Stockwell etc. have all identified themselves as being heterodox and non representative of prevailing, mainstream Western cultural mores and values.
You wrote: "Intellectual dissidents/activists ....have all identified themselves as being... non representative of prevailing, mainstream Western cultural mores and values. "
Whatever each of those individuals did - or did variously - or does or do variously - identify as ostensibly being or having then been "prevailing, mainstream Western cultural mores and values Western cultural mores and values" are not and/or were not necessarily Western cultural mores and values.
Such machinations have led to misery for untold millions of people in the Third World and developing countries. The average penal system considers receiving stolen goods a crime, even when you are not the actual person who has done the stealing. Again, if you have benefitted from someone else's suffering, whether directly or indirectly, you are to be held accountable.
You wrote: "The average penal system considers receiving stolen goods a crime, even when you are not the actual person who has done the stealing."
Penal systems do not consider anything. What any one or more individuals who create and impose any number of (just and /or unjust - or neither just nor unjust) laws consider is another matter.
You also wrote: " Again, if you have benefitted from someone else's suffering, whether directly or indirectly, you are to be held accountable. "
Whether something is or is not imagined to be just - and whether or not that thing actually is or is not - in fact - just are not necessarily the same thing.
For example, it is a matter of fact that the USA, as a society, represents about 7 % of the world's population but consumes about 70 % of the world's resources. The average American citizen benefits from this unequal distribution of wealth. This disparity is due in large part to, what the "dissident" intellectuals deem as being Western imperialism, militarism, and dirty tricks and manipulations of the CIA and other nefarious American and Western institutions.
The "kindly" attitudes and sentiments of some Germans (towards Jews) are immaterial when it comes to soci-economic justice AND WHAT ACTUALLY TRANSPIRED BETWEEN GERMANY AND THE JEWS, AS A PEOPLE. The governments of the West can only do what the people in these societies allow them to or actually will them to do. This is just plain logic.
Thus Germany, as a nation, to this day is still paying reparations to Jewish survivors of the "holocaust." Would you say that because some Germans helped Jews during WW2 or that not all Germans were members of the Nazi party the German people should not now be paying reparations to these victims or share the responsibility of what the German military and government did on their behalf? PREPOSTEROUS!!!
Your reasoning is quite faulty and similar to the attitudes of average German citizens, during WW 2, absolving themselves from the atrocities committed against Jews, and many other peoples. NO!!! The Nuremberg Trials made it a precedent that the Nazi regime did these things on behalf of the German people and that because they in some way benefitted from the deeds of their government and military, these citizens were to some degree also culpable.
@MENCADO A cursory reading of historical facts illustrates an identifiable Western culture, and its concomitant values. Your perception is very immature and myopic. You are classifying the dissident, counterculture or subversive rhetoric or behavior of individuals or small factions and identifying them as being the rule or norm for mainstream Western culture. Just think, the terms "counterculture" and "dissident" imply that these individuals/factions are not representative of Western society.
You wrote: "You are classifying the dissident, counterculture or subversive rhetoric or behavior of individuals or small factions and identifying them as being the rule or norm for mainstream Western culture."
I did no such thing. That was a good attempt at straw-manning though.
It seems that acknowedgement of collective identity is a matter of convenience for some people. When it comes to receiving the accolades and benefits of being a Westerner we are hard pressed to find a gainsayer. But when it comes to receiving constructive criticism and accepting responsibility you get up in arms and balk, by referring to "exceptions" to the rule of Western behaviors and values.
You wrote: " It seems that acknowedgement of collective identity is a matter of convenience for some people."
You identify a "collective identity" as being able to be acknowledged - as if - just because certain among individuals do imagine that there is such a thing, that does necessarily mean that there is such a thing.
mauritius is faced with so-many problems for example: extremism ,economically challenged, sexism and racism between black and browned and want to be brown.
language mauritians are difficult because of collection of many tribal dialogs confronting the growing population and in all cases illiterate.
mauritius would like be accepted as a Arab state and that's a absent mined thinking of their history.
This is what you call propaganda warfare along with the hyprocritical media and it's lies to help jusitify there cause for global domination and oppression against and its followers and islam. Islam today is the fastest growing religion in the world today and whenever something is a threat to communist or democratic movement they want to destroy it. But that will never happen why because you have so many government regime that are active today, lack %100 of humanatirian jusitice.
Excellent analysis! Every society has deviants. This is why all nations have forensic scientists and correctional facilities. The Western focus on "extremism" in the Muslim World is more indicative of Eurocentric and white supremacist hegemony than of any real, organized threat posed by Muslims, in poor countries such as Mauritania. The accusation of extremism is just another excuse to dominate and interfere in the affairs of non white, non Westernized societies.
Just think of the arrogance and double standards of Western media. Of course, any violence perpetrated against innocent persons is haram, in Islam, as it should be in any civilized society. As a psychological defense, Muslims need to not be on the defensive when it comes to unreasonable and irrational accusations from the schizophrenic and narcissistic Western media. We should counter them with the very real dysfunctionality evidenced in their cultures.
A few white people are killed and the West is ready to engage in their own version of "Jihad." But millions of Muslims and Third World peoples are killed on a yearly basis due to unwarranted Western military invasions; economic exploitation and destabilization leading to extreme poverty; Western powers interfering in non Western nations by, for example, installing puppet regimes; Western manipulation of various non Western nations' foreign policies leading to internecine wars, etc.
You wrote: "A few white people are killed and the West is ready to engage in their own version of "Jihad." "
Among the many and various individuals who are citizens who are living in the West there are those of us who have individual and DIFFERING opinions from one or more other individual citizens who are also living in the West regarding whether or not we each are or are not in support of any action that is being performed - or that is planned to be performed -
You have grossly misinterpreted my statements, on this blog, regarding the collective accountatblity of the West and those who have benefitted from Western imperialism. I offer you a statement of logic: Just as a corporation can be legally identified as a fictitious person, so too is a society/culture an entity with various and disparate parts. The disparate parts do not in any way nullify the fact that a people or culture represent an organic entity.
You wrote:" Just as a corporation CAN BE legally identified as a fictitious person,... "
(To which I would add: which does not mean that it IS ONE.)
"...so too IS a society/culture an entity with various and disparate parts."
You made a leap from saying that a corporation CAN BE identified as being a fictitious person to saying that a society/culture IS an entity. The two are NOT analogous.
Even if you had written that a society/culture CAN BE identified as being a (real) entity (which would not mean that it is one), your analogy still would be a failed analogy, because being identified as a FICTITIOUS person (which is the equivalent of saying that potentially existent person is not) and being identified as a REAL entity are not similar actions.
The analogy would not be a failed one, if you had written as follows: "Just as a corporation CAN be legally identified as a fictitious person,... ( which does not mean that it is one) ...so too CAN a society/culture be identified as a FICTITIOUS entity (which does not mean that it is one) with various and disparate parts.
And just as there are political parties established with specific values, platforms and mores, so too is the West (i.e., as a socio-, geo-politcal construct) based on legal, cultural and historic values and agendas, shared by the collective of her people, that drive and maintain their societies.
You wrote: "The disparate parts do not in any way nullify the fact that a people or culture represent an organic entity. " "...so to is he West ...based on ... values and agendas, shared by the collective of her people,..."
Did you honestly mean to suggest that a group of citizens which may contain any number of individuals who are entirely dissimilar to each other in regard to one or more of each of their respective political views, -
- by any number of individuals who are in office within the U.S. government - or, more specifically, who are commanding or are among those who are serving within the U.S. military.
Among the population of the West there are individuals who do not hold any position within any U.S. governmental nor any military office, individuals who do NOT control any U.S. military nor any governmental personnel, individuals who are anti-militarists, individuals who are pacifists, individuals who are opposed to one or more proposed or and/ or occuring U.S. governmental and /or military actions, individuals who are opposed to any and all governance, etc..
Your statements are an exercise in specious reasoning and ignorance. You betray yourself as being woefully misinformed and undereducated, on this topic of the evils and shortcomings of Western society/culture and the people who flourish in and promote it. Rule of thumb is that just because someone can articulate does not necessarily mean what that person is saying is intelligent.
You wrote: "You betray yourself as BEING woefully misinformed and undereducated,..."
Ad hominem attacks are a logical failure in any debate. While such verbal attacks are unworthy of address, that they are a logical failure is surely worth pointing out.
You then wrote: "Rule of thumb is that just because someone can articulate does not necessarily mean what that person is saying is intelligent."
Did you now catch the irony in your having then made that assertion?
My position regarding Islam is that I do not know what it is that I do not know about it, and that I cannot know what it is that I do not know about it.
Your comment, "Read it", could be interpreted in two different ways. It could be taken either as being an assertion that YOU have read it , or as a command directed at me for me to read it. I could only guess - either corectly or incorrectly - or not guess which you did actually mean.
If you meant to tell me that I should read it, you may not have taken into consideration the entirety of the implication of my comments.
but if i did not do what i intended to not do.. would u do what u want me to do instead of me even though i didnt make intention about doing it even before u mention it ?
I would not know the difference between what IS or what is NOT a complete and exact copy of the Qur'an, because I am not the AUTHOR (or any of the authors) of the Qur'an. I could only either believe, disbelieve, or lack belief about whether or not any allegedly complete and allegedly exact copy of the Qur'an that was presented to me is or is not a complete copy of the Qur'an and/ or is or is not an exact copy of the Qur'an.
I contend that NO ONE (other than the author - or the authors - of the Qur'an) did, or does, or do know what is and what is not a complete and exact copy of the Qur'an.
If someone handed me a book that had the title 'Qur'an' printed on its cover, what reason would I have to believe that the book actually did contain the Qur'an - and that it did contain the whole of the Qur'an - within it? Would I have ANY reason to believe that it was so?
How is it that you suppose anyone (self-identified Muslim or non-Muslim, myself included) might know (not just have a belief about) what is or is NOT a copy of the actual and entire content of the Qur'an - not just a collection of words that is falsely identified as being those of the Qur'an, not a mistranslation of it, not a translation of it that contains one or more mistranslated parts, not an incomplete translation of it, and not an incomplete copy of it?
I do not think that "Islam" does mean anything.For all that I do KNOW the word "Islam" does have one meaning, OR it does have multiple and self-contradictory meanings, or it is meaningless.
That you do BELIEVE that you have correct beliefs about Islam and about Muslims does not mean that YOU DO have correct beliefs about Islam and about Muslims.
That you BELIEVE - BUT DO NOT KNOW - that you do have knowledge of what is contained within the Qur'an is not necessarily a CORRECT belief, regardless of whether or not you do BELIEVE that you do know what is contained within the Qur'an.
Why do you think that BOTH those who call themselves Muslims and do perform those violent/aggressive actions AND those who call themselves Muslims and DO NOT perform those violent/ aggressive actions are Muslims?
If Islam is a "violent religion" (or a religion that requires its followers to commit acts of violence), then the assertion that NON-aggressive so-called Muslims are "true" Muslims cannot be correct.
English is not my second language. Your grasp of it is questionable though.
That I do not accept your assertions as if they were 'God's word does not mean that you are right and that my challenging your beliefs is without reason.
You can be as much of a condescending prat about this as you like. I will not be intimidated by your ad hominem attacks against me.
What I have been asking you is whether and how do you KNOW (not just have a belief about) the following:
a.) Which of those two types of self-identified Muslim people (the aggresively behaving or the non-aggressively behaving ones) are the CORRECTLY knowing and CORRECTLY understanding followers of the Islamic religion (aka."true" Muslims)?
b.) Which of those two types of self-identified Muslim people are not "true" Muslims?
Those self-identified Muslim people who behave NON-AGGRESSIVELY may - or they may not - be "true" Muslims - who do have correct knowledge and correct understanding of the Islamic religion. Likewise, those self-identified Muslim people who behave AGGRESSIVELY may - or they may not - be "true" Muslims - who do have correct knowledge and correct understanding of the Islamic religion.
The fact is that there are other people in various places around the world who do also identify as being Muslims, and who do NOT exhibit the same sorts of behaviors as those which you have described. The non-aggressive way in which those other self-identified Muslim people act may be due to their having the correct knowledge of and the correct understanding of the Islamic religion, or it may not be so.
If they DO NOT have the correct knowledge and the correct understanding of what Islamic ideals are, then the ideals that they are aiming to force onto others may actually NOT BE Islamic ideals - and they would be wrongly identifying those ideals as being Islamic ideals. If that is the case, they may not actually be "true" Muslims, and they may be WRONGLY identifying themselves as being Muslims.
The same is true of their knowledge of (or their ignorance of) and their understanding of (or their MISunderstanding of) any one or more of what they may (rightly or wrongly) believe to be correct Sharia laws, and the same is true of their knowledge of (or ignorance of) and their understanding of (or their MISunderstanding of) the Islamic religion, in general.
That those people to whom you were referring may have stated their aim as being to bring Islamic ideals to the world by force does not mean that they do have the CORRECT knowledge and the correct understanding of what islamic ideals are.
middle east to egypt to israel all bloodline of abraham!
looooooooooooook at your country!!!oh israel oh the country of misery! oh islam country of the suffered. your ppl have an ancient culture. a civilization cultivated Before the time of Christ and u have not evolved! Your stiring with ignorance, grudges, bias, overly excessive pride, hate & prejudices. Most of you dont even know a third language?
what lack of education! YOUR people are ignorant!!! why is such an ancient civilization gone awry? Your people are closer to god, god was a jew? why does god keep you simple in thought? Your ancestors bomb eachother. muslims, your ancestors they come from abraham the jew who was with rebecca a muslim servant. why do you fight?
I made no suggestion of their being no terrorists who may (or who may not) - correctly or incorrectly - believe themselves to be Muslims or Islamists - and who may even call themselves Muslims or Islamists.
That any one or more people may identify as being Muslim or Islamist does not necessarily mean that he, or she, or they ARE Muslim or Islamist.
Please re-read my ealier questions and consider them more thoroughly.
من اجل قبول الاسلام كدين يجب اعادة كنابة القرآن من جديد وتسمية الاسلام بالاسلام المعتدل .. يجب تنقية القرآن من جميع الاآيات الشيطانية هو شرط اساسي The Koran must be rewritten 1-
pakki CUNTS should and will be exterminated like the vermin they are.Let the bastards be martyrs like the koran(filth) deems they ought to be.WANKERS THE FUCKING LOT OF THEM
As a matter of fact, no that's not the argument.If you're going to look at any portion of Islamic history you have to remove your old preconceptions. I should know I'm a white American. Learning what's right and wrong how silly and illogical is that argument. Right and wrong according to whom?!! By the way there's no concept in Islam that our enemies behave this way we will too. But, remember people everywhere are human and seriously doubt you oh so evolved ones can forgive and forget so easily
167 according to whom?!! The same European Colonists who are responsible for the most costly conflicts in terms of human life in history. Rack up the AFRICAN holocaust in your slave trade, genocide of the Native Americans, shall we go on!!?? Which moral high horse did you come riding in on??!! People in a glass house should not throw stones. What alternative do you have?!!! Democracy= carpet bombing, search and destroy. Communism=Stalin. Anarchy? Individualism?
You guys ALWAYS look at the worst in history to justify??? your own brand of bullshit. Why don't you get this? BECAUSE these things happened (slavery-didn't Mohmd. have slaves?) the human race IS EVOLVING -learning what's right/wrong - obviously you guys haven't - what is your argument? Cuz they did this-we can do it too? STUPID!
Out of 167 terrorist organizations in the world, 164 are Islamic. Out of 30 conflicts that are on-going in the world, 28 are directly related to the only true peaceful religion.
Mauritania is a breeding ground for terrorist,a place where extreme culture is practiced,and the home of the MOST men in 1 country with the smallest Zoob's!By the way fuck this stupid guy saying that some 1 who steals should have their hand cut off.His dick should be cut off because its so small and useless but the Bitch still has it!!It is not right to steal,however it's also wrong to modify/torture someone whom God has made!Whats wrong with you muslim's thinkin it ok to change God's work? Sidi
There is going to be a big backlash against Muslim extremism. They need to be treated with the same disrespect they give non-Muslims and their hijaked, younger religion is need of modernisation. The Mohammed cartoons were the best thing that ever happened.
Islam is a religion of slavery. It means to submit to God, which is something a few of us just aren't down for. You see, we in the West like our beautiful women uncovered, our alcohol, our free speech, our great inventions, our pork products, our music, our excellent art and literature, and so forth. You may not like these things, which is perfectly fine with me. Just keep your fascism to yourself.
ok i think u want to make your women's public property, whatever is currently happening in the west is good because people like want your womens get rape, killed, father raping daughters, friends having sex with other's mom, because u worth in. go nd ask the women who have been rape in west.
Actually, we don't consider our women to be property at all. We call them human beings. Your women probably don't like being objectified as property and denied their freedom. I could talk to Western women who have been raped, and told the police, leaving their rapists in jail. I prefer to question Muslim women, however, who are often raped, but are denied the right to point out their attacker. Often times, Muslims consider it the fault of the victim, and stone her. This is an evil practice.
i am really surpraised with the lack of knowledge in west, in west u only jail the rapist, but in islamic countries we kill the rapist, raped womens are not stone to death but prostitutes are stone to death, learn the difference between rape victim and prostitutes. in islamic countries women's r free to choice there husband and they have right to work but covering there body and head, before objecting learn and understand islam first. this show's the lack of knowledge, i live west london
plz mind your language, i had not used abusive language with, some day u will realise your mistake for abusing almighty allah i am not angry neither misturbed, let me tell u, if u abuse your creator u will pay in hereafter, and i will be the witness of it. u r coining us most voilent peoples on earth, now wht will coin to israel and USA, THEY R THE BIGGEST TERRORIST ON EARTH, THEY HAVE KILLED INNOCENT PEOPLES MORE THEN MUSLIMS, whole world knows this, but u r trying to be ignorent.
Lack of knowledge in the west? I beg your pardon. And you live in that lack of knowledge west? With; ;their lack of knowledge they invent Aerioplanes, Motor cars, Telephones, Radio, Television and finally the cutting edge technology in Computers. Is that lack of knowledge you idiot?
every time you argue, you prove yourself wrong, stoning to death, do u really know the difference between prostitutes and raped victims, kid first go and get educated and then come back to me.
If you meant to suggest that stoning women who have worked as prostitutes to death is somehow NOT BARBARIC - as if those women are not also human beings, just because they worked as prostitues - then your definition of what constitutes as being barbaric behavior is still not upto date with 21st century transitioning away from the ignorance of human thinking and of those barbaric human behaviors that - for much of the world - have not been performed since centuries ago.
You wrote: "Actually, we don't consider OUR WOMEN to be property at all."
Identifying any woman or women as being "our", or "your", or his, or her, or their woman or women is indeed identifying that woman or those women as being property.
More women are raped in islamic societies than in the west. But there is a distinct difference. In the west the culprits are punished but in Islamic societies the victims are punished. We see it happening everyday. When will they realize the truth?????
i told u many times, just don't open your dirty mouth and talk, give us some evidence what u r talking, let me you, according to FBI REPORT in 1990 every 30seconds 1 rape is committed in USA alone, and now the latest report from FBI says in 2007 says every 5 second 1 rape is committed in USA, and only 2 rapist were arrested and jailed for 5 years. wow what great law and great country. hahahaha
The UCR Program has traditionally collected rape data only for female victims. The rape rates listed above and in subsequent tables are based upon estimates of the total U.S. population. In this narrative, however, the rape rate is based on the 2002 estimate of the Nation's female population provided by the U. S. Bureau of the Census.
You do not have all of the data on both the number of reported + UNREPORTED INCIDENCES OF RAPE (nor does anyone else) that have occured to Muslim women and also all of the data on the number of both reported + UNREPORTED INCIDENCES OF RAPE (nor does anyone else) that have occured to non- Muslim women.
No one does have data on UNREPORTED INCIDENCES, because the fact of those incidences being unreported means that there IS NO RECORDED DATA available to be had on them.
That is the nature of UNKNOWN information - it is UNKNOWN. A fact not being known does not make it not a fact.
Because neither you do nor does anyone have the whole of that information on both reported and unreported occurences of rape among both groups of women, you are not in a qualified position (nor is anyone else) to be able to compare the number of Muslim women who have been raped to the number of women in the U.S. (a number of whom do identify as being Muslim) who have also been raped.
FBI accounts do not include (among other things) the number of UNREPORTED incidences of rape that have occured within Islamic communities that are said to be scattered in many different places around the world.
More women get raped in islamic societies than in the west. However, there is a distinct difference, in the west the culprits get punished, in Islam the victim gets punished.
hahaha my friend i think u might have read USA RAPES REPORT and thought of islamic country, in USA the culprit is only jailed for few years but in islamic countries the culprits head will be chopped in front of king, and the king arranges marriage to the raped victim and give her respectfull life, u said stone to death hahaha that punishment is for prostitutes who destroy others life. try to understand the islamic culture, dont beleive whatever is writen on net or in magazine. its 100% lie.
First of all, in my comments i don't use abusive words to all brothers/sister, in islamic countries if anyone commits rape, The rapist will lose his life, and there is no escape, from hundreds of years not a single rape is committed, because every one is scared of death penalty, so there is no crime in islamic countries, but in iraq the U.S commando's raped the women of iraq. this is truth, which was telecast on news chennals. but what ever i say about USA crime rates, i show solid evidence.
Marking the third consecutive year of increase, the UCR Program's estimate of female forcible rapes for 2002 was 95,136 offenses. This estimate was 4.7 percent higher than the 2001 approximation, and it was 2.1 percent higher than the offense estimate for 1998. However, the volume of forcible rapes in 2002 was 10.3 percent below the 1993 estimate. (See Table 1.)
That calculation yielded a rate of 64.8 forcible rapes per 100,000 females, which was an increase of 3.5 percent from the 2001 rate of 62.6. In comparison with the rates of 5 and 10 years ago, the 2002 female forcible rape rate was 3.9 percent below the 1998 rate of 67.5, and it was 19.4 percent below the 1993 estimate of 80.4 per 100,000 females.
The UCR Program aggregates data for three types of communities: Metropolitan Statistical Areas (MSAs), cities outside metropolitan areas, and rural counties. (For a detailed explanation of the composition of these community types, see Appendix III.) During 2002, the estimated rate of female forcible rapes increased for all community types.
There is only one thing anyone need to know about Islam, it was founded by a child molester. If that is not enough of a warning, the founder was also a murderer, rapist, bandit and above all, a slaver.
ritchloui 6 months ago in playlist Miscellaneous Islamic Lectures and videos
If the people of Mauritania want to develop their economy, they need to target industries. Apparently short on natural resources and technological skills, it looks like services and tourism is the way to go. In that case, everyone in Mauritania needs to embrace tolerance and to treat all people based on equality and respect. Their Muslims faith belongs in the home and NOT in the realms of governance. They need to accept responsibility for allowing extremists to coexist in their country.
TGSAdvanceman 11 months ago
I urge muslims to denouce Islam as an Unholy, Ungodly Religion of Hate and man's false pride. Turn to Jesus...
johninva123 1 year ago
@johninva123 lol. Yeah, because Christianity doesn't have a hateful philosophy. ::cough:: Leviticus ::cough::
TheDamnIrish 11 months ago
English and French are the ruin of Europe and
filled the continent of Africa.
Fuck all!
giovanbanditto 1 year ago
Im going to Mauritania next month to set up a business unit . Now I think I should reconsider .
djshivam 1 year ago
@djshivam dont, why? just because the media said they have extremists?
manutdr8 1 year ago
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.....north america kalling it "christianic extrimism"? Are you kidding me? Openminded people please form your picture of the truth based on facts not some rediculous newschannel butting up this kinds of things! Dangerous to go to mauritania, are you kidding me? Well maybe if you lack water or something like that!
peaceANDislam 1 year ago
....to give sentaces, the salafi scholars condemn Usama Bin Laudin, a salafi don't act agaainst the laws of a government runned by muslims in this manner. How many times do they say "extrimism", how in the world do they connect this with AlQaida? Do they have any link, AT ALL? Well it gives a more "extrimist" feeling if they mention that. Is it even related to religion?
Have you EVER seen a muslim newschannel putting up this kind of misinfo when gangwar takes place from south to.....^^^
peaceANDislam 1 year ago
This is the perfect example of "islamic extrimism" PROPAGANDA! I mean how many people gets killed in new york in ONE week? I mean 4 people got killed and "the peace was brutally shattered", are you kidding me? The people interviewed, especially the islamic scholar, is a very peaceful person who definetely DON'T preach any form of extrimism. Ignorance on a high level to say the least. A salafi believe that a muslim who explode himselfe will go to hell, a salafi believe that a cout of law is...
peaceANDislam 1 year ago
Hey all you islam, your religion is not real, you are nothing but baby killers, just like how two Islamic men walked in a church 3 days ago and shot 51 Christians to death half of them were babies ages from 1 month to 15 months. Your muhammad if you ever read the quran you would know that he used to sleep with men and ejaculate on them. Also he used to have sex with his daughters in-laws. That’s what said in the quran. muhammad had lots of lice in his hair cuz he did not know how to shower.
2010grapes 1 year ago
TORTURE FOR MONEY
h t t p: / / sirah.al-islam. com/ display. asp?f=hes2447. h t m (remove spaces)
Translation from Arabic Text:
"People told Mohamed that Kanana Abn Elnaudir knows where the hidden treasure is. Mohamed brought him and inquired about the treasure. Kanina denied knowledge of the money. Mohamed said "torture him until he talks". He was tortured to death."
Abadir101 1 year ago
Everything I needed to learn about Islam was taught to me by 19 good, devout Muslims on September 11th., 2001. Thanks Islam for all you've done for me! Really, it's a load of fun.
BillTheDullard 1 year ago
@BillTheDullard That's exactly how I learned about Christianity :)
FinalMassMonster 1 year ago
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There is so much hatred toward muslims and little that explore Islam and its beliefs. Or understanding of why there is radicalization that is being expressed.
Please see the you tube videos - they are not hate videos about muslims but give a reasonable documented point of view regarding about Islam the Qurans interpetations and one muslims man story and struggle with radicalism and its results and effects
THE THIRD JIHAD
and
THREE THINGS ABOUT ISLAM
silentfades 1 year ago
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Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, Before Abraham was, I am.
God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”
3Michael82 1 year ago
Assalaam Alaikum;
The Muslim Sheikhs of Mauritania are correct i am muslim and they are right. They didnt do anything wrong i agree with them
Ansar3119 1 year ago
north america kalling it "christianic extrimism"? Are you kidding me? Openminded people please form your picture of the truth based on facts not some rediculous newschannel butting up this kinds of things! Dangerous to go to mauritania, are you kidding me? Well maybe if you lack water or something like that!
peaceANDislam 1 year ago
to give sentaces, the salafi scholars condemn Usama Bin Laudin, a salafi don't act agaainst the laws of a government runned by muslims in this manner. How many times do they say "extrimism", how in the world do they connect this with AlQaida? Do they have any link, AT ALL? Well it gives a more "extrimist" feeling if they mention that. Is it even related to religion?
Have you EVER seen a muslim newschannel putting up this kind of misinfo when gangwar takes place from south to.....^^^
peaceANDislam 1 year ago
This is the perfect example of "islamic extrimism" PROPAGANDA! I mean how many people gets killed in new york in ONE week? I mean 4 people got killed and "the peace was brutally shattered", are you kidding me? The people interviewed, especially the islamic scholar, is a very peaceful person who definetely DON'T preach any form of extrimism. Ignorance on a high level to say the least. A salafi believe that a muslim who explode himselfe will go to hell, a salafi believe that a cout of law is...
peaceANDislam 1 year ago
fall down christians and jewsh extremists. aameen.
thencounter79 1 year ago
My position as a Westerner:
We want to live in a world of happy Muslims who are prosperous and do business with us.
I don't want mosques in my neighborhood, but if you live in Algeria and want to trade then let's trade and be prosperous.
Nonetheless, Muslim supremacists will receive a lesson, sometimes using US air strikes, until they understand their limitations. We don't want the 1990s to return; Islamic supremacism had too much freedom then, which led to greater problems later.
monsterzeroJr 1 year ago
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monsterzeroJr 1 year ago
If it's muslim it's terrorist.That's what to expect from those who follow a "religion" invented by a criminal "prophet".
csilverio123 2 years ago
@MENCADO
There is no need for further correspondence on this topic.
salahudeenabduladl 2 years ago
@MENCADO
I give you a final statement of logic: If a person physically living in the West is heterodox to Western values and behaviors, then that person is probably not a Westerner. A Westerner is not merely a physical designation of habitation but a definition of cultural values and worldview. I am writing this response to not only educate you but to reach out to others who may read what you say and be influenced by your lack of understanding and your ill-informed spin on my statements.
salahudeenabduladl 2 years ago
@salahudeenabduladl ,
I'm going to cut this short and not address the remainder of your comments individually. I will say this, however : You have assumed a number of things to be correct (such as that there is a single set of cultural values and a singular worldview that is had by any two or more individuals who are identified as being "Westerners"), and you have based your argument on assuming that those assumptions are correct.
MENCADO 2 years ago
@MENCADO
You have again proven exactly what I have observed about you. That simply because someone can articulate an issue does not mean that what that person is saying is intelligent. You have demonstrated that you are the one offering "opinions." You lack scholarship in your statements. And you don't support your assertions with any authoritative reference. Nor do you intelligently address the academic references that I have proffered to you.
salahudeenabduladl 2 years ago
@MENCADO
You should have researched what I have stated to you, before embarking on a knee jerk response that lacks substance. Your ridiculous attempt to dissect my statements is ostensibly avoidant behavior in that you do not cite any countervailing scholarship to refute my conclusions. You simply come to conclusions without developing any basis for your opinions. So, sophomorically, you then position yourself as the authority.
salahudeenabduladl 2 years ago
@MENCADO
My conclusions logically follow the develpment of the thesis statements that I have made. If you were truly intelligent, after having reseached my statements, you may find that you are in agreement and have learned something that you didn't know. The scientific method and empiricism are based on "intelligent" and informed assumptions or hypotheses, not opinions.
salahudeenabduladl 2 years ago
@MENCADO
If you do not attempt to adequately educate yourself about a given topic, but take a position based on your solipsistic assumptions and prejudices, you will always come short intellectually. And, let me correct you, ad hominem statements are primarily associated with debate and incitation to prejudicial assumptions. My correspondence is not an issue of debate.
salahudeenabduladl 2 years ago
@MENCADO
I am sincerely attempting to educate you. If you are astute enough to allow me to do so. I am not simply trying to get the last word here. You will lose out if you are simply trying to win some vainglorious argument. And then you are defeating your proposed agenda of furthering knowledge. Don't be intellectually lazy. Do the work required of a truly intelligent person and READ, CROSS REFERENCE, and ANALYZE, not CRITICIZE.
salahudeenabduladl 2 years ago
@MENCADO
Without basing your discourse on true scholarship, and a broad knowledge base, your statements will continue to be empty and constitute mere complaints rather than informed observation. This discourse with you has been rather stimulating However, this is my final correspondence.
salahudeenabduladl 2 years ago
@salahudeenabduladl ,
You wrote: "If a person physically living in the West is heterodox to Western values and behaviors, then that person is probably not a Westerner."
You have inadvertently identified there being a dichotomy between allegedly existent Western and implied as being existent non-Western individuals.
MENCADO 2 years ago
Leaving aside the questions of what it is (if anything) that supposedly makes a value a specifically Western value and what it is (if anything) that supposedly makes a behavior a specifically Western behavior, I would ask the following :
MENCADO 2 years ago
What about any number of individuals who is or are (at present) heterodox in regard to one or more of those allegedly existent "Western values and behaviors", but not in regard to one or more other of those allegedly existent "Western values and behaviors" - is he or she - or are they/we , or is he or she NOT - or are they/we NOT a Westerner or Westerners - or is he or she both - or are each of them/us BOTH Western and non-Western individuals?
MENCADO 2 years ago
In other words, might whatever the fully detailed concept of what you identify as being a Westerner (meaning one who has and expresses each and every one of those values and behaviors that you identify as being among those which constitute a person as being a Westerner) not be a true description of any actual individual?
MENCADO 2 years ago
What if EVERY PERSON who is living in the West is heterodox in regard one or more of each of those things that you believe to be Western values and behaviors? Would that mean that there is no one who is a Westerner? If no person both holds all of those values that you attribute as being Western values and exhibits all of those behaviors that you attribute as being Western behaviors, then who is to say that your idea of a Westerner is anything more than a figment of your own imagining?
MENCADO 2 years ago
@salahudeenabduladl,
You wrote: I am writing this response to not only educate you but to reach out to others who may read what you say and be influenced by your lack of understanding and your ill-informed spin on my statements.
Thats funny! It seems to me that you were writing your responses in attempt not to educate me, but to persuade me to accept as fact that which you assume - or wish to pretend to know - to be factual.
MENCADO 2 years ago
@MENCADO
Yes, as the Christian Bible says: "You can be in the world [i.e., the West] and not of it." Just because I physically live in the West does not mean that I am a Westerner. This principle also applies for anyone else living here but who does not identify with Western culture.
salahudeenabduladl 2 years ago
@salahudeenabduladl,
You wrote: "This principle also applies for anyone else living here but who does not identify with Western culture."
Once again, the idea that there IS an actual Western culture - not just that there are and/or have been any number of more or less vaguely and differently imagined concepts of what Western culture supposedly consists of - may be an idea that you do believe, but that belief does not mean that there surely is a Western culture.
MENCADO 2 years ago
@MENCADO
The true measure of a "good" person in the West is if he/she, like I have done, renounces Western culture and seeks to create something altogether new. Thus reform will avail nothing, the West requires a cultural revoution. Which will recreate societies in the image of something other than what we now deem to be the West. So I speak not only with intellectual authority but from personal experience.
salahudeenabduladl 2 years ago
@MENCADO
Unfortunately, many societies in the West undergo purges (for example, anti-Islamism), "witch hunts (for example, Communist black listing in the USA)" or "ethnic cleansing (again, anti-Islamism in the Balkans )" to rid their societies of apostates or dissidents to the prevailing mores and values of a given society. Thus leading to a relative consensus, regarding the more important issues. Thus there is an illusion of diverse thought in the West.
salahudeenabduladl 2 years ago
@MENCADO
I do not regard myself as a Westerner because I do not share the values or worldview of the prevailing society in which I live. From this society's inception, there has been an evil intent of genocide, expoitation, slavery and violence. The ends do not justify the means. In Islam, no halal (good, acceptable outcome) can be derived from haram (bad) methods.
salahudeenabduladl 2 years ago
@MENCADO
The famous black American activist Eldridge Cleaver was noted for stating, when it comes to the struggle for justice, "You are either with us or against us." At that time, Cleaver did not consider himself as an "Amerikan" but a victim of "Amerikanism." Moreover, I was born in America and have lived here all of my life. My family, on both sides, have been here for so many generations we cannot recall when our ancestors first arrived to these shores.
salahudeenabduladl 2 years ago
@MENCADO
For examples, both Chomsky and former independent Governor of Minnesota Jesse Ventura state that the Republican and Democratic parties of the USA are two sides of the same coin, differing only slightly in methodology but are in agreement when it comes to hegemonic/impeialistic goals. This paradigm of compliance and conformity may also be applied to individuals in the West.
salahudeenabduladl 2 years ago
@MENCADO
You may also be misinterpreting the so-called dissidents or Western detractors of Western societies as being against the ultimate evil goals of these societies, but when they are in actuality simply disputing the METHODS of oppression and exploitation.
salahudeenabduladl 2 years ago
@MENCADO
For example, the famous black intellectual W.E.B. Dubois became a Ghananian citizen. We exist as individuals but within the context of the societies in which we live; we do not exist in a vaccum. Individual identity is defined and can only exist within the context of the collective. To maintain a stake in an evil, hegemonic and exploitative society, by defintion, makes you evil by association.
salahudeenabduladl 2 years ago
@MENCADO
Chomsky positions himself as a major critic of Western society and often cites Americans and Europeans, as a people, as "generally" having a historically pathological and violent culture. In fact, there are many expatriate Westerners who renounce allegiance to Western culture and often defect to other societies that promote very different values and agendas.
salahudeenabduladl 2 years ago
@salahudeenabduladl,
You wrote: "...there are many expatriate Westerners who renounce allegiance to Western culture ..."
That any one or more individuals has or have renounced what he or she - or they - (variously or identically) identify or identified as "Western culture" does not mean that there necessarily is a Western culture.
MENCADO 2 years ago
@MENCADO
I suggest that you read the writings and listen to some of the lectures of the aforementioned intellectuals and then write to them (for example, Noam Chomsky) stating that they are in error and "generalizing." How LUDICROUS!!! For example, Noam Chomsky is quick to admit that his views and positions do not represent or define mainstream Western society.
salahudeenabduladl 2 years ago
@salahudeenabduladl,
You wrote: "...read the writings and listen to some of the lectures of the aforementioned intellectuals and then write to them...stating that they are in error and "generalizing."
Nice move - using both argument ad populum and argument from authority together in one shot!
No matter how many individuals do generalize for the sake of convenience - and no matter WHO those individuals are, that does not make generalizing logically correct.
MENCADO 2 years ago
@MENCADO For example, the famed slavery abolitionist, in the USA, John Brown valiantly rose up in arms, with his family and a few whites and freed slaves, against US society and martyred himself in order to achieve justice and freedom for blacks in America. However, Brown deemed himself to be antagonistic to the prevailing American culture and society, not exemplary of it.
salahudeenabduladl 2 years ago
@MENCADO
That is, Western society was established and is being maintained based on values of Eurocentrism, imperialism, white supremacism, capitalism, anti-spiritualism (i.e., secularism), exploitation of the masses via plutocratic oligarchies, consumerism, ad nauseum. Enlightened individuals in the West do not gainsay when criticized but simply accept responsibility for the evils of their society and either leave the West or seek to change it.
salahudeenabduladl 2 years ago
salahudeenabduladl,
You wrote: "That is, Western society was established and is being maintained ..."
That you characterize Western society as having been established and being maintained is according to a perception that you have of Western society which is not necessarily a correct perception.
MENCADO 2 years ago
@MENCADO
Intellectual dissidents/activists such as Noam Chomsky, Howard Zinn, Michael Parenti, Malcolm X, Louis Farrakhan, Martin Luther King, Jr., Frances Cress Welsing, Neely Fuller, Chancellor Williams, John Henrik Clarke, Dr. Chip Smith, Tim Wise, former CIA agent John Stockwell etc. have all identified themselves as being heterodox and non representative of prevailing, mainstream Western cultural mores and values.
salahudeenabduladl 2 years ago
salahudeenabduladl,
You wrote: "Intellectual dissidents/activists ....have all identified themselves as being... non representative of prevailing, mainstream Western cultural mores and values. "
Whatever each of those individuals did - or did variously - or does or do variously - identify as ostensibly being or having then been "prevailing, mainstream Western cultural mores and values Western cultural mores and values" are not and/or were not necessarily Western cultural mores and values.
MENCADO 2 years ago
@MENCADO
Such machinations have led to misery for untold millions of people in the Third World and developing countries. The average penal system considers receiving stolen goods a crime, even when you are not the actual person who has done the stealing. Again, if you have benefitted from someone else's suffering, whether directly or indirectly, you are to be held accountable.
salahudeenabduladl 2 years ago
@salahudeenabduladl ,
You wrote: "The average penal system considers receiving stolen goods a crime, even when you are not the actual person who has done the stealing."
Penal systems do not consider anything. What any one or more individuals who create and impose any number of (just and /or unjust - or neither just nor unjust) laws consider is another matter.
MENCADO 2 years ago
@salahudeenabduladl,
You also wrote: " Again, if you have benefitted from someone else's suffering, whether directly or indirectly, you are to be held accountable. "
Whether something is or is not imagined to be just - and whether or not that thing actually is or is not - in fact - just are not necessarily the same thing.
MENCADO 2 years ago
@MENCADO
For example, it is a matter of fact that the USA, as a society, represents about 7 % of the world's population but consumes about 70 % of the world's resources. The average American citizen benefits from this unequal distribution of wealth. This disparity is due in large part to, what the "dissident" intellectuals deem as being Western imperialism, militarism, and dirty tricks and manipulations of the CIA and other nefarious American and Western institutions.
salahudeenabduladl 2 years ago
@MENCADO
The "kindly" attitudes and sentiments of some Germans (towards Jews) are immaterial when it comes to soci-economic justice AND WHAT ACTUALLY TRANSPIRED BETWEEN GERMANY AND THE JEWS, AS A PEOPLE. The governments of the West can only do what the people in these societies allow them to or actually will them to do. This is just plain logic.
salahudeenabduladl 2 years ago
@MENCADO
Thus Germany, as a nation, to this day is still paying reparations to Jewish survivors of the "holocaust." Would you say that because some Germans helped Jews during WW2 or that not all Germans were members of the Nazi party the German people should not now be paying reparations to these victims or share the responsibility of what the German military and government did on their behalf? PREPOSTEROUS!!!
salahudeenabduladl 2 years ago
@MENCADO
Your reasoning is quite faulty and similar to the attitudes of average German citizens, during WW 2, absolving themselves from the atrocities committed against Jews, and many other peoples. NO!!! The Nuremberg Trials made it a precedent that the Nazi regime did these things on behalf of the German people and that because they in some way benefitted from the deeds of their government and military, these citizens were to some degree also culpable.
salahudeenabduladl 2 years ago
@MENCADO A cursory reading of historical facts illustrates an identifiable Western culture, and its concomitant values. Your perception is very immature and myopic. You are classifying the dissident, counterculture or subversive rhetoric or behavior of individuals or small factions and identifying them as being the rule or norm for mainstream Western culture. Just think, the terms "counterculture" and "dissident" imply that these individuals/factions are not representative of Western society.
salahudeenabduladl 2 years ago
@salahudeenabduladl ,
You wrote: "You are classifying the dissident, counterculture or subversive rhetoric or behavior of individuals or small factions and identifying them as being the rule or norm for mainstream Western culture."
I did no such thing. That was a good attempt at straw-manning though.
I identified NO norm. You generalized. I did not.
MENCADO 2 years ago
@MENCADO
It seems that acknowedgement of collective identity is a matter of convenience for some people. When it comes to receiving the accolades and benefits of being a Westerner we are hard pressed to find a gainsayer. But when it comes to receiving constructive criticism and accepting responsibility you get up in arms and balk, by referring to "exceptions" to the rule of Western behaviors and values.
salahudeenabduladl 2 years ago
@salahudeenabduladl ,
You wrote: " It seems that acknowedgement of collective identity is a matter of convenience for some people."
You identify a "collective identity" as being able to be acknowledged - as if - just because certain among individuals do imagine that there is such a thing, that does necessarily mean that there is such a thing.
MENCADO 2 years ago
mauritius is faced with so-many problems for example: extremism ,economically challenged, sexism and racism between black and browned and want to be brown.
language mauritians are difficult because of collection of many tribal dialogs confronting the growing population and in all cases illiterate.
mauritius would like be accepted as a Arab state and that's a absent mined thinking of their history.
oct1984 2 years ago
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metalmouthmusic 2 years ago
i agree. but dick-cheese, this is mauritania
metalmouthmusic 2 years ago
i wish to speak to some of you, contact me
9ba2c 2 years ago
This is what you call propaganda warfare along with the hyprocritical media and it's lies to help jusitify there cause for global domination and oppression against and its followers and islam. Islam today is the fastest growing religion in the world today and whenever something is a threat to communist or democratic movement they want to destroy it. But that will never happen why because you have so many government regime that are active today, lack %100 of humanatirian jusitice.
12fourlife 2 years ago
@12fourlife
Excellent analysis! Every society has deviants. This is why all nations have forensic scientists and correctional facilities. The Western focus on "extremism" in the Muslim World is more indicative of Eurocentric and white supremacist hegemony than of any real, organized threat posed by Muslims, in poor countries such as Mauritania. The accusation of extremism is just another excuse to dominate and interfere in the affairs of non white, non Westernized societies.
salahudeenabduladl 2 years ago
@12fourlife
Just think of the arrogance and double standards of Western media. Of course, any violence perpetrated against innocent persons is haram, in Islam, as it should be in any civilized society. As a psychological defense, Muslims need to not be on the defensive when it comes to unreasonable and irrational accusations from the schizophrenic and narcissistic Western media. We should counter them with the very real dysfunctionality evidenced in their cultures.
salahudeenabduladl 2 years ago
@12fourlife
A few white people are killed and the West is ready to engage in their own version of "Jihad." But millions of Muslims and Third World peoples are killed on a yearly basis due to unwarranted Western military invasions; economic exploitation and destabilization leading to extreme poverty; Western powers interfering in non Western nations by, for example, installing puppet regimes; Western manipulation of various non Western nations' foreign policies leading to internecine wars, etc.
salahudeenabduladl 2 years ago
salahudeenabduladl,
You wrote: "A few white people are killed and the West is ready to engage in their own version of "Jihad." "
Among the many and various individuals who are citizens who are living in the West there are those of us who have individual and DIFFERING opinions from one or more other individual citizens who are also living in the West regarding whether or not we each are or are not in support of any action that is being performed - or that is planned to be performed -
MENCADO 2 years ago
@MENCADO
You have grossly misinterpreted my statements, on this blog, regarding the collective accountatblity of the West and those who have benefitted from Western imperialism. I offer you a statement of logic: Just as a corporation can be legally identified as a fictitious person, so too is a society/culture an entity with various and disparate parts. The disparate parts do not in any way nullify the fact that a people or culture represent an organic entity.
salahudeenabduladl 2 years ago
@salahudeenabduladl ,
You wrote:" Just as a corporation CAN BE legally identified as a fictitious person,... "
(To which I would add: which does not mean that it IS ONE.)
"...so too IS a society/culture an entity with various and disparate parts."
You made a leap from saying that a corporation CAN BE identified as being a fictitious person to saying that a society/culture IS an entity. The two are NOT analogous.
MENCADO 2 years ago
@salahudeenabduladl ,
Even if you had written that a society/culture CAN BE identified as being a (real) entity (which would not mean that it is one), your analogy still would be a failed analogy, because being identified as a FICTITIOUS person (which is the equivalent of saying that potentially existent person is not) and being identified as a REAL entity are not similar actions.
MENCADO 2 years ago
@salahudeenabduladl ,
The analogy would not be a failed one, if you had written as follows: "Just as a corporation CAN be legally identified as a fictitious person,... ( which does not mean that it is one) ...so too CAN a society/culture be identified as a FICTITIOUS entity (which does not mean that it is one) with various and disparate parts.
MENCADO 2 years ago
@MENCADO
And just as there are political parties established with specific values, platforms and mores, so too is the West (i.e., as a socio-, geo-politcal construct) based on legal, cultural and historic values and agendas, shared by the collective of her people, that drive and maintain their societies.
salahudeenabduladl 2 years ago
salahudeenabduladl,
You wrote: "The disparate parts do not in any way nullify the fact that a people or culture represent an organic entity. " "...so to is he West ...based on ... values and agendas, shared by the collective of her people,..."
Did you honestly mean to suggest that a group of citizens which may contain any number of individuals who are entirely dissimilar to each other in regard to one or more of each of their respective political views, -
MENCADO 2 years ago
@salahudeenabduladl ,
- philosophical beliefs, personal aims, individual values, and even their personal actions and behaviors do have SHARED values and shared agendas?
MENCADO 2 years ago
- by any number of individuals who are in office within the U.S. government - or, more specifically, who are commanding or are among those who are serving within the U.S. military.
MENCADO 2 years ago
You have generalized the West.
Among the population of the West there are individuals who do not hold any position within any U.S. governmental nor any military office, individuals who do NOT control any U.S. military nor any governmental personnel, individuals who are anti-militarists, individuals who are pacifists, individuals who are opposed to one or more proposed or and/ or occuring U.S. governmental and /or military actions, individuals who are opposed to any and all governance, etc..
MENCADO 2 years ago
@MENCADO
Your statements are an exercise in specious reasoning and ignorance. You betray yourself as being woefully misinformed and undereducated, on this topic of the evils and shortcomings of Western society/culture and the people who flourish in and promote it. Rule of thumb is that just because someone can articulate does not necessarily mean what that person is saying is intelligent.
salahudeenabduladl 2 years ago
@salahudeenabduladl,
You wrote: "You betray yourself as BEING woefully misinformed and undereducated,..."
Ad hominem attacks are a logical failure in any debate. While such verbal attacks are unworthy of address, that they are a logical failure is surely worth pointing out.
You then wrote: "Rule of thumb is that just because someone can articulate does not necessarily mean what that person is saying is intelligent."
Did you now catch the irony in your having then made that assertion?
MENCADO 2 years ago
"I want to see your position regarding Islam..."
My position regarding Islam is that I do not know what it is that I do not know about it, and that I cannot know what it is that I do not know about it.
MENCADO 2 years ago
Read it :)
BattalinBabasi 2 years ago
BattalinBabasi,
Your comment, "Read it", could be interpreted in two different ways. It could be taken either as being an assertion that YOU have read it , or as a command directed at me for me to read it. I could only guess - either corectly or incorrectly - or not guess which you did actually mean.
If you meant to tell me that I should read it, you may not have taken into consideration the entirety of the implication of my comments.
MENCADO 2 years ago
but if i did not do what i intended to not do.. would u do what u want me to do instead of me even though i didnt make intention about doing it even before u mention it ?
BattalinBabasi 2 years ago
I would not know the difference between what IS or what is NOT a complete and exact copy of the Qur'an, because I am not the AUTHOR (or any of the authors) of the Qur'an. I could only either believe, disbelieve, or lack belief about whether or not any allegedly complete and allegedly exact copy of the Qur'an that was presented to me is or is not a complete copy of the Qur'an and/ or is or is not an exact copy of the Qur'an.
MENCADO 2 years ago
I contend that NO ONE (other than the author - or the authors - of the Qur'an) did, or does, or do know what is and what is not a complete and exact copy of the Qur'an.
MENCADO 2 years ago
If someone handed me a book that had the title 'Qur'an' printed on its cover, what reason would I have to believe that the book actually did contain the Qur'an - and that it did contain the whole of the Qur'an - within it? Would I have ANY reason to believe that it was so?
MENCADO 2 years ago
"Just GO READ THE QURAN."
How is it that you suppose anyone (self-identified Muslim or non-Muslim, myself included) might know (not just have a belief about) what is or is NOT a copy of the actual and entire content of the Qur'an - not just a collection of words that is falsely identified as being those of the Qur'an, not a mistranslation of it, not a translation of it that contains one or more mistranslated parts, not an incomplete translation of it, and not an incomplete copy of it?
MENCADO 2 years ago
I do not think that "Islam" does mean anything.For all that I do KNOW the word "Islam" does have one meaning, OR it does have multiple and self-contradictory meanings, or it is meaningless.
That you do BELIEVE that you have correct beliefs about Islam and about Muslims does not mean that YOU DO have correct beliefs about Islam and about Muslims.
MENCADO 2 years ago
do not know) to be Muslims perfectly well.
That you BELIEVE - BUT DO NOT KNOW - that you do have knowledge of what is contained within the Qur'an is not necessarily a CORRECT belief, regardless of whether or not you do BELIEVE that you do know what is contained within the Qur'an.
MENCADO 2 years ago
Why do you think that BOTH those who call themselves Muslims and do perform those violent/aggressive actions AND those who call themselves Muslims and DO NOT perform those violent/ aggressive actions are Muslims?
MENCADO 2 years ago
If Islam is a "violent religion" (or a religion that requires its followers to commit acts of violence), then the assertion that NON-aggressive so-called Muslims are "true" Muslims cannot be correct.
MENCADO 2 years ago
English is not my second language. Your grasp of it is questionable though.
That I do not accept your assertions as if they were 'God's word does not mean that you are right and that my challenging your beliefs is without reason.
You can be as much of a condescending prat about this as you like. I will not be intimidated by your ad hominem attacks against me.
YOU STILL HAVE NOT ANSWERED MY EARLIER QUESTIONS.
MENCADO 2 years ago
What I have been asking you is whether and how do you KNOW (not just have a belief about) the following:
a.) Which of those two types of self-identified Muslim people (the aggresively behaving or the non-aggressively behaving ones) are the CORRECTLY knowing and CORRECTLY understanding followers of the Islamic religion (aka."true" Muslims)?
b.) Which of those two types of self-identified Muslim people are not "true" Muslims?
MENCADO 2 years ago
Those self-identified Muslim people who behave NON-AGGRESSIVELY may - or they may not - be "true" Muslims - who do have correct knowledge and correct understanding of the Islamic religion. Likewise, those self-identified Muslim people who behave AGGRESSIVELY may - or they may not - be "true" Muslims - who do have correct knowledge and correct understanding of the Islamic religion.
MENCADO 2 years ago
The fact is that there are other people in various places around the world who do also identify as being Muslims, and who do NOT exhibit the same sorts of behaviors as those which you have described. The non-aggressive way in which those other self-identified Muslim people act may be due to their having the correct knowledge of and the correct understanding of the Islamic religion, or it may not be so.
MENCADO 2 years ago
If they DO NOT have the correct knowledge and the correct understanding of what Islamic ideals are, then the ideals that they are aiming to force onto others may actually NOT BE Islamic ideals - and they would be wrongly identifying those ideals as being Islamic ideals. If that is the case, they may not actually be "true" Muslims, and they may be WRONGLY identifying themselves as being Muslims.
MENCADO 2 years ago
The same is true of their knowledge of (or their ignorance of) and their understanding of (or their MISunderstanding of) any one or more of what they may (rightly or wrongly) believe to be correct Sharia laws, and the same is true of their knowledge of (or ignorance of) and their understanding of (or their MISunderstanding of) the Islamic religion, in general.
MENCADO 2 years ago
You have still not answered my questions.
That those people to whom you were referring may have stated their aim as being to bring Islamic ideals to the world by force does not mean that they do have the CORRECT knowledge and the correct understanding of what islamic ideals are.
MENCADO 2 years ago
middle east to egypt to israel all bloodline of abraham!
looooooooooooook at your country!!!oh israel oh the country of misery! oh islam country of the suffered. your ppl have an ancient culture. a civilization cultivated Before the time of Christ and u have not evolved! Your stiring with ignorance, grudges, bias, overly excessive pride, hate & prejudices. Most of you dont even know a third language?
baidee2007 2 years ago
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what lack of education! YOUR people are ignorant!!! why is such an ancient civilization gone awry? Your people are closer to god, god was a jew? why does god keep you simple in thought? Your ancestors bomb eachother. muslims, your ancestors they come from abraham the jew who was with rebecca a muslim servant. why do you fight?
baidee2007 2 years ago
You did not answer either of my questions.
I made no suggestion of their being no terrorists who may (or who may not) - correctly or incorrectly - believe themselves to be Muslims or Islamists - and who may even call themselves Muslims or Islamists.
That any one or more people may identify as being Muslim or Islamist does not necessarily mean that he, or she, or they ARE Muslim or Islamist.
Please re-read my ealier questions and consider them more thoroughly.
MENCADO 2 years ago
DO you KNOW for a fact (not just believe) that they ARE Islamists?
If so, then HOW do you know that they ARE Islamists?
MENCADO 2 years ago
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Honour the memory of those who died for our freedom by voting BNP and keep Britain free of Islam.
britishvaluesforever 2 years ago
من اجل قبول الاسلام كدين يجب اعادة كنابة القرآن من جديد وتسمية الاسلام بالاسلام المعتدل .. يجب تنقية القرآن من جميع الاآيات الشيطانية هو شرط اساسي The Koran must be rewritten 1-
IslamTerrors 2 years ago
All religon is an ILLUSION:
all humans are equal:
No one gets out of here alive, we all die one day, so love your life without hating others and you can smile moments before your death..
dougienancy 2 years ago
lol.Whos' the real terrorist.George Bush. He is the real terrorist.
isa270991 2 years ago 2
Yeah, he's always strapping bombs to himself and blowing stuff up. Do you ever have the feeling that you're a complete moron?
jwint76 2 years ago
lol.use kafirs dont know nothing.how abouts studying Islam, then you will know alot.
isa270991 2 years ago
pakki CUNTS should and will be exterminated like the vermin they are.Let the bastards be martyrs like the koran(filth) deems they ought to be.WANKERS THE FUCKING LOT OF THEM
Kevvo4444 2 years ago
Doe's Suadia Arabia and China accept Immigration !!if your Christian or African ,Jewish ,European?
triumphelf 2 years ago
As a matter of fact, no that's not the argument.If you're going to look at any portion of Islamic history you have to remove your old preconceptions. I should know I'm a white American. Learning what's right and wrong how silly and illogical is that argument. Right and wrong according to whom?!! By the way there's no concept in Islam that our enemies behave this way we will too. But, remember people everywhere are human and seriously doubt you oh so evolved ones can forgive and forget so easily
maataht 2 years ago
167 according to whom?!! The same European Colonists who are responsible for the most costly conflicts in terms of human life in history. Rack up the AFRICAN holocaust in your slave trade, genocide of the Native Americans, shall we go on!!?? Which moral high horse did you come riding in on??!! People in a glass house should not throw stones. What alternative do you have?!!! Democracy= carpet bombing, search and destroy. Communism=Stalin. Anarchy? Individualism?
maataht 2 years ago
My gods!
You guys ALWAYS look at the worst in history to justify??? your own brand of bullshit. Why don't you get this? BECAUSE these things happened (slavery-didn't Mohmd. have slaves?) the human race IS EVOLVING -learning what's right/wrong - obviously you guys haven't - what is your argument? Cuz they did this-we can do it too? STUPID!
Same old stupid arguments.
farsajjj 2 years ago
Out of 167 terrorist organizations in the world, 164 are Islamic. Out of 30 conflicts that are on-going in the world, 28 are directly related to the only true peaceful religion.
fuelairburst 3 years ago
mauritania is peace country, this video is lie. IAM SAHARAUI.
Side161 3 years ago
Mauritania not a poor country, we were under stealing by French for more than 80 year, and they left one high school behind.
hassen1900 3 years ago
Oh no, lot's of muslims everywhere. Now there will be trouble for sure.
Kabahloo 3 years ago
You have to know that not all muslim people are bad. 99.9 percent are just normal people
UnitedWebs 2 years ago
islam is a fake religion
mohamad as all muslims know: he was a rapist
marcorahimi 3 years ago
how surprising.....a crazy violent muslim country
davidinfo13 3 years ago
Muhammed Can Kiss My Black ASS!!!
triumphelf 3 years ago
triumphelf, I would be honored to do so x x x
MohummedsM8 3 years ago
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Here is what Arabs are:
A-Assholes
R-Rapists
A-Angry Bastards
B-Bitches
S-Sucking dick mother fuckers
America Loves you Israel!!!and so does GOD
ItsTruth2 3 years ago
I see a Muslim as a 2 legged dog who is coward and eats PIGS hidden under goat shit!
AntiIslamic9 3 years ago
We need to draw more mohammad cartoons.
indogitrust 3 years ago
Its not only Mauritania, the whole world is affected by islamic terrorism, the commom enemy
indogitrust 3 years ago
Be a good muslims? Oh yes, but he will never be a good human being.
indogitrust 3 years ago
Islam is the root of all evil and crime and murder.
indogitrust 3 years ago
Mauritania is a breeding ground for terrorist,a place where extreme culture is practiced,and the home of the MOST men in 1 country with the smallest Zoob's!By the way fuck this stupid guy saying that some 1 who steals should have their hand cut off.His dick should be cut off because its so small and useless but the Bitch still has it!!It is not right to steal,however it's also wrong to modify/torture someone whom God has made!Whats wrong with you muslim's thinkin it ok to change God's work? Sidi
ItsTruth2 3 years ago
lets these poor die in their misary
why you care about them,when they want live like animal
a persian from iran
parvaz347 3 years ago
There is going to be a big backlash against Muslim extremism. They need to be treated with the same disrespect they give non-Muslims and their hijaked, younger religion is need of modernisation. The Mohammed cartoons were the best thing that ever happened.
Ikonoklast2007 3 years ago 4
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Viva Islam , The Ignorant Morons here needs to know Islam is the True and only Way accepted by the Creator, It will take over the world no doubt.
SOMALIUNIT7 3 years ago
the only reason you fuckers cover your women up is because there so fucking ugly!!!
no wonder theres so many gays and goat fuckers out there i dont blame them
youracunt13 3 years ago
Islam is a religion of slavery. It means to submit to God, which is something a few of us just aren't down for. You see, we in the West like our beautiful women uncovered, our alcohol, our free speech, our great inventions, our pork products, our music, our excellent art and literature, and so forth. You may not like these things, which is perfectly fine with me. Just keep your fascism to yourself.
FightDPower 3 years ago 4
ok i think u want to make your women's public property, whatever is currently happening in the west is good because people like want your womens get rape, killed, father raping daughters, friends having sex with other's mom, because u worth in. go nd ask the women who have been rape in west.
faiz2uonclub 3 years ago
Actually, we don't consider our women to be property at all. We call them human beings. Your women probably don't like being objectified as property and denied their freedom. I could talk to Western women who have been raped, and told the police, leaving their rapists in jail. I prefer to question Muslim women, however, who are often raped, but are denied the right to point out their attacker. Often times, Muslims consider it the fault of the victim, and stone her. This is an evil practice.
FightDPower 3 years ago 6
i am really surpraised with the lack of knowledge in west, in west u only jail the rapist, but in islamic countries we kill the rapist, raped womens are not stone to death but prostitutes are stone to death, learn the difference between rape victim and prostitutes. in islamic countries women's r free to choice there husband and they have right to work but covering there body and head, before objecting learn and understand islam first. this show's the lack of knowledge, i live west london
faiz2uonclub 3 years ago
Muslims are the most ignorant and the most violent people on earth. They learn everything from that stupid book called koran.
indogitrust 3 years ago
plz mind your language, i had not used abusive language with, some day u will realise your mistake for abusing almighty allah i am not angry neither misturbed, let me tell u, if u abuse your creator u will pay in hereafter, and i will be the witness of it. u r coining us most voilent peoples on earth, now wht will coin to israel and USA, THEY R THE BIGGEST TERRORIST ON EARTH, THEY HAVE KILLED INNOCENT PEOPLES MORE THEN MUSLIMS, whole world knows this, but u r trying to be ignorent.
faiz2uonclub 3 years ago
Lack of knowledge in the west? I beg your pardon. And you live in that lack of knowledge west? With; ;their lack of knowledge they invent Aerioplanes, Motor cars, Telephones, Radio, Television and finally the cutting edge technology in Computers. Is that lack of knowledge you idiot?
indogitrust 3 years ago
Stoning human beings to death is a primitive pracatice. We live in a highly civilized modern society. We abhorr such practises by Muslims. Thank you.
indogitrust 3 years ago
every time you argue, you prove yourself wrong, stoning to death, do u really know the difference between prostitutes and raped victims, kid first go and get educated and then come back to me.
faiz2uonclub 3 years ago
If you meant to suggest that stoning women who have worked as prostitutes to death is somehow NOT BARBARIC - as if those women are not also human beings, just because they worked as prostitues - then your definition of what constitutes as being barbaric behavior is still not upto date with 21st century transitioning away from the ignorance of human thinking and of those barbaric human behaviors that - for much of the world - have not been performed since centuries ago.
MENCADO 2 years ago
FightDPower:
You wrote: "Actually, we don't consider OUR WOMEN to be property at all."
Identifying any woman or women as being "our", or "your", or his, or her, or their woman or women is indeed identifying that woman or those women as being property.
MENCADO 2 years ago
More women are raped in islamic societies than in the west. But there is a distinct difference. In the west the culprits are punished but in Islamic societies the victims are punished. We see it happening everyday. When will they realize the truth?????
indogitrust 3 years ago
i told u many times, just don't open your dirty mouth and talk, give us some evidence what u r talking, let me you, according to FBI REPORT in 1990 every 30seconds 1 rape is committed in USA alone, and now the latest report from FBI says in 2007 says every 5 second 1 rape is committed in USA, and only 2 rapist were arrested and jailed for 5 years. wow what great law and great country. hahahaha
faiz2uonclub 3 years ago
Yeah... in the Islamic world it's 60 rapes a second, they are just not reported!
MohummedsM8 3 years ago
grow up kid, you need learn lots of thing in life, if u have any evidence reply me, if not don't waste my time.
faiz2uonclub 3 years ago
FBI REPORT (part 2)
The UCR Program has traditionally collected rape data only for female victims. The rape rates listed above and in subsequent tables are based upon estimates of the total U.S. population. In this narrative, however, the rape rate is based on the 2002 estimate of the Nation's female population provided by the U. S. Bureau of the Census.
faiz2uonclub 3 years ago
You do not have all of the data on both the number of reported + UNREPORTED INCIDENCES OF RAPE (nor does anyone else) that have occured to Muslim women and also all of the data on the number of both reported + UNREPORTED INCIDENCES OF RAPE (nor does anyone else) that have occured to non- Muslim women.
MENCADO 2 years ago
No one does have data on UNREPORTED INCIDENCES, because the fact of those incidences being unreported means that there IS NO RECORDED DATA available to be had on them.
That is the nature of UNKNOWN information - it is UNKNOWN. A fact not being known does not make it not a fact.
MENCADO 2 years ago
Because neither you do nor does anyone have the whole of that information on both reported and unreported occurences of rape among both groups of women, you are not in a qualified position (nor is anyone else) to be able to compare the number of Muslim women who have been raped to the number of women in the U.S. (a number of whom do identify as being Muslim) who have also been raped.
MENCADO 2 years ago
FBI accounts do not include (among other things) the number of UNREPORTED incidences of rape that have occured within Islamic communities that are said to be scattered in many different places around the world.
MENCADO 2 years ago
More women get raped in islamic societies than in the west. However, there is a distinct difference, in the west the culprits get punished, in Islam the victim gets punished.
indogitrust 3 years ago
hahaha my friend i think u might have read USA RAPES REPORT and thought of islamic country, in USA the culprit is only jailed for few years but in islamic countries the culprits head will be chopped in front of king, and the king arranges marriage to the raped victim and give her respectfull life, u said stone to death hahaha that punishment is for prostitutes who destroy others life. try to understand the islamic culture, dont beleive whatever is writen on net or in magazine. its 100% lie.
faiz2uonclub 3 years ago
Faiz.. you are a Muzzie asshole!
We all know you guys rape your women, your little boys, your little girls and your goats!
:)
MohummedsM8 3 years ago
First of all, in my comments i don't use abusive words to all brothers/sister, in islamic countries if anyone commits rape, The rapist will lose his life, and there is no escape, from hundreds of years not a single rape is committed, because every one is scared of death penalty, so there is no crime in islamic countries, but in iraq the U.S commando's raped the women of iraq. this is truth, which was telecast on news chennals. but what ever i say about USA crime rates, i show solid evidence.
faiz2uonclub 3 years ago
FBI REPORT (part 1)
National Volume, Trends, and Rates
Marking the third consecutive year of increase, the UCR Program's estimate of female forcible rapes for 2002 was 95,136 offenses. This estimate was 4.7 percent higher than the 2001 approximation, and it was 2.1 percent higher than the offense estimate for 1998. However, the volume of forcible rapes in 2002 was 10.3 percent below the 1993 estimate. (See Table 1.)
faiz2uonclub 3 years ago
FBI REPORTS (part 3)
That calculation yielded a rate of 64.8 forcible rapes per 100,000 females, which was an increase of 3.5 percent from the 2001 rate of 62.6. In comparison with the rates of 5 and 10 years ago, the 2002 female forcible rape rate was 3.9 percent below the 1998 rate of 67.5, and it was 19.4 percent below the 1993 estimate of 80.4 per 100,000 females.
faiz2uonclub 3 years ago
FBI REPORT (part 4)
The UCR Program aggregates data for three types of communities: Metropolitan Statistical Areas (MSAs), cities outside metropolitan areas, and rural counties. (For a detailed explanation of the composition of these community types, see Appendix III.) During 2002, the estimated rate of female forcible rapes increased for all community types.
faiz2uonclub 3 years ago