if that's worhty of respect for you, then fine. But I need you to pay proper respect to any paper plane that doesn't crash on landing, killing 137 people... forget that, for not crash killing a bug!
Being the first sst to take off from the ground - like you say - may be the only merit this thing gets. Reasonably speaking.
You just gave me 2 reasons not to respect it: reliability and safety. I think these are the main points that get people into a plane. It was a death trap for those who flew it. Give me one VALID reason to respect this thing.
This plane was yet another piece of technology that was meant to be a flagship for the soviet regime. And so it was: a failure, like socialism!
@uknowimrightaboutit Ok, at least respect it for the fact that it didn't blow up in the air while going mach 2.4 with 137 people, and for the fact that it was the first SST to take off from the ground
Yes, I almost forgot... I must not disrespect the precious little feelings of the concord rip-off. Sorry, how cruel of me. Oh wait, that thing didn't have feelings.
So, if this thing was a FAILURE, where then, does this so-called merited respect come from? Why do you have a problem with the way I think about it, knowing why I do? The concorde deserves respect for its many decades of service; the people who died in it as in the "concordsky" do as well, but not this non-achievement.
it "is" faster? Is it in use today? Speed over quality doesn't cut it, does it? It's a concorde rip-off, just like the buran was a space shuttle rip-off.
@uknowimrightaboutit listen, you wanna complain about this concorde rip off? Go cry to your mommy. You don't like it then fine, but it does not mean that you have to disrespect something like this. Yes, it was worse than the concorde on a reliability and safety level, however there is no reason, why the tu-144 should be disrespected. Besides many things that americans or soviets copied was german technology, like the wings of the planes where a german desighn
if you think this is crap, then you have a problem because this is faster than any passenger or cargo plane built today, so watch your mouth, and if you are a concorde loyalist then i suggest you find another concorde video to whine on.
turlututu chapeau pointu, that plane has my mother's nose, size wise and the concorde was designed according to the nose size of Cyrano de Bergerac...not much creativity. Thank you for the video.
Very nice photos, a few of which I had never seen before. I am an admirer of this truly unique aircraft. If I may make a suggestion, I don't think there could have been a less fitting song to go along with this video. When I see a photo montage featuring a Soviet-bred Cold War symbol that had a sad and unsuccessful fate, I don't want to hear a modern, Hollywood action-movie soundtrack to go with it.
The TU-144 was a complete failure. The engines alone were flops. Clumsy and inefficient turbofan engines were unable to achieve and maintain Mach 2 cruising speed. Afterburners were thus required. This greatly reduced flight range to about 1,600 miles. After 55 scheduled passenger flights, the TU-144 was withdrawn from service.
@itsmegp46 Listen, THIS IS A TRIBUTE VIDEO!, If you like the plane great you can comment about it, but if you don't like it then why are you commenting anyway? and in fact why do you even care about this plane? It was a failiure, just like The Concorde due to the fact that both used a lot of fuel and where costly to maintain. If you want to make fun of the tu-144 then do it somewhere else.
@FSXairpilot Compared to the TU-144, the Concorde was a huge success. In service for 27 years, the Concorde suffered only one fatal crash. This was due to debris on the runway, not any failing of the aircraft. Once again, the TU-144 was pulled from service after only 55 scheduled passenger flights. If you're posting a tribute, fine. But I also have the right to post information here. If you don't like it, then YOU leave.
@itsmegp46 Oh well, Atleast we made one. Americans had to come crawling to Russians to check how Tu-144 worked. Either way we achieved so much in this world that this is just on a small scale, Tu-144 atleast flew mach 2 first, we can do a lot but we're not perfect ;) (Russia)
@TonyFirelli Crawling? The US paid for the use of the TU-144 for research for future supersonic aircraft. In other words, how to improved the product.
@TheARMAProductions True enough. The -144 had to use afterburners to maintain supersonic speed (thus hugely reducing range); as such, the -144 had no "cruising" speed - it was always wide fucking open. Junk.
the tu 144 is an icon in aircraft design. its design was ahead of its time. unfortunately the plane was stopped after the tragic accident in the paris air show in 1973.
if it would have survived it would have had a great influence on the aircraft industry.
geopolitically it would have had an influence on the events in the ussr. this plane would have brought the west and the east of the ussr nearer with unforeseeable consequences.
I have always liked the look of the TU 144, so jet fighter like, very USSR. The Concorde is just a beautiful bird. The TU-144 went for function and Concorde for beauty. Great pictures though, really great.
@scottyburen Thank you for commenting, So many people argue about topics like the tu-144 is worse than concorde or better, sometimes i think that the cold war just ended in a book instead of withing us
@scottyburen By "function" I take it to mean the -144 was cobbled together - because it was. An incredible piece of shit. I'm amazed anybody would step foot in that thing after one flight. From what I read, it had multiple systems failures serious enough to warrant emergency landings or cancellation of many flights (probably all of them if the truth were known) and required the personal approval of Tupolev himself and an air minister for any passenger flight! Fuck this piece of junk...
Actually the truth is the Russians attempted to counter the airshow display Concorde had put on the day before.
The crew took the aircraft beyond permitted perameters, relying on untested equipment and sytems which failed them.
You can also see the original design (without the little canards) had the engines placed much closer together, this was a design flaw they tried to correct later on the following models by spacing the engines, as you can see.
@VVUULDTUURRM Blah blah blah blah another 2 bit keyboard hero telling everyone to fuck off....right then........ do a bit of research yourself, don't rely on wiki do some good honest study and then you can tell the rest of us how good the TU-144 was and why. Thats a good boy/girl now run along and get to those books.
@gforcegeorge I did read something similar years ago but can't remember what or where etc but yes the poms did know about the theft of the plans and apparently did know it was faulty but let the ruskies build it anyway.Shame about the crew though,apparently they were good honest blokes just doing their respective jobs.
Actually the plane fall apart because known soviet industrial spies were fed disinformation and though the plane was built properly the materials used were not to the right specs thus it fell out of the sky taking with it several skilled and innocent pilots and flight and aeronautical engineers.. It didn't fall apart on its first flight but at the Paris airshow if memory serves me ok I read this somewhere in a readers digest or something similar so whether thats true I don't know
@theoldgalah First of all the plane fell apart in the airshow because the plane went on a 90 degree nose dive suddenly when a mirage came close to it flying over so it pitched 90 degrees down and the crew where trying to pull it up but the plane couldn't take it but if you think that their material was bad then how do you explain the fact that it was faster than the Concorde?
@FSXairpilot Don't get excited about what is better than what. Apparently some of the key structural specs were not correct and with a few flights metal fatigue had started to set in and when the crew had to do the radical maneuvers the plane as you already said couldn't take it and fell apart. The specs must have been close but not quite right otherwise the Russian engineers would have picked it up. A shame actually and apparently the crew were good blokes.....
I may be British & a life long Concorde Fan but i don't think that means i can't Love this Beautiful & Majestic Masterpeice of Soviet-Russian Engineering too,
Many of those in the Concorde Program said that a Rival would have attually helped Concorde's Viablity,
The KGB Did try to get Hold of the Scimatic's of Concorde & the Yankee's Failed SST But only to see if there was anything the Western Power's had over the Tupolev 144 which had already been Fully Developed,
That & "Concordski" is NOT a Valid Name just a Spitefull Western Insult,
The 144 is a Example of "Convergent Evolution" (when a similar result is accived by Two (or more) different Sorce's not connected to each other in any way)
@michaelfergusonuk You maybe right I don't know for sure.I just remember reading something in a readers digest years ago.As for "Convergent Evolution" the same thing happened with radio and the steam engine didn't it? Bloody amazing I reckon.
@theoldgalah The Trick with the Popular Media in my experiance is to Read Between the Line's & Cross-examine everything i Read & Hear since a lot is Baiased & subject to oppinion & lack of Sufficent Infomation leading to them making assumption's & even making it up,
To be fair i encountered the version you discribed on a Documentary on "Channel 5" About "Concorde" which was dismissive of it's Soviet Spiritual Elder Sister the "TU-144" & attually beleved it until i saw Contradictory Proof.
ok what about this fucking plane behind maybe he was triend to add a little extra vortex kick onto its aerodinamic .Tu144 supposedly took drastic evasive action with tragic results.
That plane fell apart when it went way over the speed of the concord. too bad that happened or else the russians would now be taking us around the world, and that is a good thing. :D
@russialand1 Where did you get the fact that it fell apart because it went faster than the concorde? If you are talking about le bourget than it fell apart because of stress caused by the plane pulling up from a sudden dive
@FSXairpilot That's bullshit. Why did the Tupolev have it's maiden flight EARLIER than the Concorde? Do you know that the blueprint of aircraft like these fill a dozens of railway trailers? That was a time BEFORE mankind was able to put billions of data sheets on a hard drive or a memory stick. What the heck people like you are trying to do? The Russians have always been able to develop amazing airplanes, and the differences between Concorde and the Tu-144 are vast, if you take a closer look.
@OhJohnDoe No question about the differences. The -144 was a failure in every sense of the word while the Concorde was a beautiful aircraft, successful in its mission - and "only" one crash after thousands of flights. And the crash was due to runway debris, not a systems failure. Dozens of railway trailers? You're confused - and quite stupid, to boot...
@beeroosterm Sweetheart, try to behave, even if it's the internet. Simply babbling doesn't work. You call the Concorde a success? After building sixteen aircraft? Sixteen aircraft that even though the (really awesome) develeoping costs were paid by the taxpayer only proved to be an economical desaster right from the start till the end? And talking about the Tu: You simply don't KNOW how the Tupolew behaved in flight. You never spoke to a single pilot who flew one. Second hand information...
@beeroosterm Nevertheless the idiot claims of 'copy' and 'failure' including 'Concorde was the only SST' will never stop. As long as people believe rather than know.
To bad yours don't work anymore and your superpower has vanished from the face of the Earth forever. That must suck for you guys. Fucking assholes. We'll finish the job of grinding you into the ground that we have started.
@Ribavirin9 You can waffle on about American superiority all you like but Like all super powers American will fall. And if your young you will probably be unlucky enough to have to live through it. America isnt in the business of grinding russia into the ground hence the huge amounts of money and manpower going os to Russia to help keep the place on an even Keel
@Ribavirin9 Seems like another pittiful yank, who cannot hack it that the US economy is on the verge of collapse. Don't worry when you guys collapse no one will come helping. By the way it was the concorde that was copied from the TU.
@monkeyman1140 that was in the 90's if you look at the tu-144 plane because it if was operational now there would be a lot more videos of it on youtube like take off videos
@ascalia Well they built the tu-144 in a hurry because while concorde was being already shown to the public the soviets where working 25/8 to get the plane and how do you know its cramped? it was bigger than the concorde! and the concorde could carry from 90-100 where as the tu-144 could carry 114 i think and about the crash the first crash happened due to the fact tht a french mirage came over the top of the plane and the pilot to avoid it put the yoke down but the plane vent down and crashed
@FSXairpilot why pissof people shame for them every year when that plane was made at crashed 1to 4 times killing everyone its a nice looking thing but it is the widow maker
@eloyex Tu-144 was able to develop about 10% higher speed, more passengers conceived in the last version had a greater dolet.Neni badly made, just too hurried contest-west of the East - the Soviet Union versus the world, and even the Concorde is not without flaws, in addition is smaller, slower, and even wing Tu-144 is better designed and tested on the MiG-21Analog.Tu-144 was able to develop about 10% higher speed, conceived more than cestujícíclet.
@eloyex Za noteworthy that the two airplanes hit the big accident, which fundamentally influenced their fate. These incidents have become places, separated by only about 5 km.Zatímco Concorde thinking only about the traffic on high-quality certified VPD, Tu-144 was landing on Soviet conventional airports, whose condition was not always ideal. This is particularly evident in the design of the bogies was mhutný even tough.
What's not been mentioned is that TWO other Tu-144's crashed (not counting the Paris crash caused by a Mirage). These were on "mail runs". Both crashed in same month (May) and they were pulled from service after this. You can read about these crashes if you google it. Bottom line - they were unsafe.
So just how many crashed, broke up.....disappeared? (yes I agree the French caused the Airshow crash). Why did they only fly 55 scheduled flights with passengers and get grounded after an additional 70+ "mail delivery" flights. Why were all soviet pilots shit scared to fly it? The engines close together did not coz crash in Paris BUT CCCP knew what the consequences would be if it ever happened. It had 2 many problems, that's why it got quietly dropped. It's all well documented now, easy to find.
Seems it wont let me post a website for you all. Type in browser "Nova transcripts supersonic spies" read that and you will all be able to speak to anyone with probably more knowledge than them on this subject.
Don't be stupid, it NEVER revolutionised anything. CONCORDE REVOLUTIONISED EVERYTHING. If Britain and France had not designed Concorde then there would have been NO plans for the Soviets to steal - no plans NO Tu-144. Simple as that. Case closed.
im not pointing directly at the tupolev, to be honest i was talking about both the planes, yet there is to argue about whether it did revoloutinize or not, since it was faster than the concorde it did happen to do something different. and correct me if im wrong, really do. but i dont recall any major failures within the tupolev resulting in a loss of many lives.
No major failures? Well, one TU-144 crashed at a Paris airshow because the positioning of its engines was too close together, creating some sort of vacuum that could stall the engines.
Is that failure major enough for you? Oh, and it of course killed the aircrew and anybody else who may have been on for the ride.
The Concorde was in fact the revolutionary machine the TU-144 was based on. Some say stolen plans, some say spies, whatever. The Russians simply never bothered to refine it enough.
Exactly. It had MAJOR FAILURES. A direct result of what we call pirating these days. The copy is never as good as the original. I'm an Engineer (have been for 35yrs) I KNOW if you try to copy someone elses design, it doesn't work. It is simple, you don't understand the process that got you to the point of a specific shape or design. What may seem trivial and a small change can be catastrophic because you didn't do the research or testing. That's what happened with TU144.
OH AND BY THE WAY - It was a French Mirage jet trying to photograph the TU144 canards that caused it to crash. But by making the TU144 take evasive action it unintentionally showed up the flaws in the airframe design (no research/development).
while half of that is true the rest is shit, firstly the engines being close together didn't create a vacuum if u want to know the causes of the Paris airshow crash look it up. secondly while the tu-144 was built on stolen concorde plans the tu144 was something else, if the Russians didn't refine it how come it was bigger, faster and involved some ingenious creations of its own, its just a shame Russia was falling down in economics during the tu144 program
If an engine went down it WOULD cause a vacuum (not when they were ok), Soviets figured that out. It was one of the main reasons the plane was taken out of service. I never said it was the cause of the Paris crash. It was supposed to be faster (calculations - never actually did go faster), yes it was bigger, fail to see what that has to do with anything. Ingenious creations ??? Like what? don't say canards. They were only added because it was unstable at landing/take-off speeds-bad wing design.
Yeah right. Mosque? Lived with a mosque outside my bedroom window in Saudi Arabia for 20 years hearing 5 calls to prayer every day. Think I've been there, heard that, enough for the rest of my life. Thank you, but no thank you.
LarryTheTubaBoy - Concorde was banned from flying over land because of the sonic boom by the AMERICANS. They could not build their own, they gave up. Britain/France and Soviets where way ahead of anything America could design so when beaten (WELL beaten) ban it.. The thing is there are at least 5000 sonic booms over America on any given day. Does anyone complain never mind even notice.
It was banned from flying at supersonic speeds over Europe too not just America. In fact I'm pretty sure supersonic speeds were only permitted once Concorde was over the atlantic ocean.
You're right about the supersonic booms though. Britain has ridiculous noise pollution laws which Concorde apparently breached. Although, I live in mid Wales where the RAF regularly conduct low flying supersonic and subsonic test flights. So I don't understand why it was different for Concorde?
Yes. I don't know what age you are BUT I lived through it. It was a STICH UP as usual by the USA. Tell other countries what harm it might do etc then once 2 or 3 countries (with no brains but a big hand waiting for a pay day) then we will ban it too. "God we can't all be wrong" It was political, a way of USA saving face by being not even 2nd at something else. Remember this was same time USSR were walking all over USA in the space race as well. TSR2 cancelled because USA had nothing to compete.
Oh, I'm only 23. But we here in Wales are regularly subjected to the tremendous roars of tornado's and the occasional Harrier's flying a few hundred feet over our head. It's seriously loud, but, I cant imagine anyone complaining about them. It's just something that goes on around here.
I can actually imagine your theory being true too. The US, a bit pissed they've come last in something do everything they can to destroy the glory for the winners. It just sounds like an American thing to do.
well i agree with qwertdr that the concorde was nice to fly in because i have had the chance to fly on one i was seated at the front where it probably was quieter i was told that at the rear it could be loud maybe at takeoff i travelled to tahiti on the concorde from toronto with stops in vancouver and honolulu this was part of a special package that i thought was at a really good price because the concorde had to go there to get a group of people
That's interesting, because as I understand it, the Concorde was banned from flight over land due to the force of the sonic boom... yet the route you describe takes the Concorde over a good chunk of the northern US.
God I am sick of reading the shit people write about this plane. The Soviets stole the plans for years and built a copy. But without doing there own testing and development they totally screwed up. They took Concorde design put their own engines on it too close together (mistake) one fails, vacuum so ALL fail. Altered wing shape so landing speed too fast - it crashed. Added canards so it wouldn't stall at low speeds. It was total crap. Scrapheap challenge stuff.
Concorde was the most-tested aircraft at that time,with more than 8,000 symulated cycles of take-off/cruise/landing. Tu-144D was at least as fast as Concorde,but safety was not very high.
it was faster than the Concorde but on the rest i would agree still it is like a Lamborghini coutach it is beautiful and even if it has problems you put that aside and plus people where still learning at the time it was a time when no computers existed and dont forget unfortunately the soviets made the tu-144 in hurry as a response to the west but personally if i wanted to be safe i would fly in the concorde if i wanted to hear the sound of the engines while i fly i would fly in the tu-144
No one can copy the style of the concord.Its the most beautiful plane of the world.And its the fastest too(for a plane which carry passangers).But this plane just does not take by breath away.!
Numerous reports from Western journalists - now while you may think it to be biased, it was again confirmed when NASA and Tupolev reactivated one in the mid 90's.
look,if you dont respect tu-144 then why do you even watch vids about it? you think it was carp? then how come nasa picked tu-144 instead of concorde for testing huh? and the noise was on first models if the plane would have survived then that problem would have been solved. by the way concorde had problems of its own and only rich people could fly on it or lucky people that have been saving up while i think the tu-144 was more affordable to fly on
if that's worhty of respect for you, then fine. But I need you to pay proper respect to any paper plane that doesn't crash on landing, killing 137 people... forget that, for not crash killing a bug!
Being the first sst to take off from the ground - like you say - may be the only merit this thing gets. Reasonably speaking.
uknowimrightaboutit 10 months ago
You just gave me 2 reasons not to respect it: reliability and safety. I think these are the main points that get people into a plane. It was a death trap for those who flew it. Give me one VALID reason to respect this thing.
This plane was yet another piece of technology that was meant to be a flagship for the soviet regime. And so it was: a failure, like socialism!
uknowimrightaboutit 10 months ago
@uknowimrightaboutit Ok, at least respect it for the fact that it didn't blow up in the air while going mach 2.4 with 137 people, and for the fact that it was the first SST to take off from the ground
FSXairpilot 10 months ago
Yes, I almost forgot... I must not disrespect the precious little feelings of the concord rip-off. Sorry, how cruel of me. Oh wait, that thing didn't have feelings.
So, if this thing was a FAILURE, where then, does this so-called merited respect come from? Why do you have a problem with the way I think about it, knowing why I do? The concorde deserves respect for its many decades of service; the people who died in it as in the "concordsky" do as well, but not this non-achievement.
uknowimrightaboutit 10 months ago
it "is" faster? Is it in use today? Speed over quality doesn't cut it, does it? It's a concorde rip-off, just like the buran was a space shuttle rip-off.
uknowimrightaboutit 11 months ago
@uknowimrightaboutit listen, you wanna complain about this concorde rip off? Go cry to your mommy. You don't like it then fine, but it does not mean that you have to disrespect something like this. Yes, it was worse than the concorde on a reliability and safety level, however there is no reason, why the tu-144 should be disrespected. Besides many things that americans or soviets copied was german technology, like the wings of the planes where a german desighn
FSXairpilot 10 months ago
isn't this that crap known as the "concordsky"?
uknowimrightaboutit 11 months ago
if you think this is crap, then you have a problem because this is faster than any passenger or cargo plane built today, so watch your mouth, and if you are a concorde loyalist then i suggest you find another concorde video to whine on.
FSXairpilot 11 months ago
why is everything russia a copy of everything western...damn dont these people have any of their own engineering skills?
yankee22167 11 months ago
fucking junk
vac1878 11 months ago
turlututu chapeau pointu, that plane has my mother's nose, size wise and the concorde was designed according to the nose size of Cyrano de Bergerac...not much creativity. Thank you for the video.
PauleQueenie 11 months ago
Very nice photos, a few of which I had never seen before. I am an admirer of this truly unique aircraft. If I may make a suggestion, I don't think there could have been a less fitting song to go along with this video. When I see a photo montage featuring a Soviet-bred Cold War symbol that had a sad and unsuccessful fate, I don't want to hear a modern, Hollywood action-movie soundtrack to go with it.
etiennedauphin 11 months ago
PAAAA PEEEEEE PEWWWWWWWWWW *imitates music*. sorry im bored
hokage64th 11 months ago
Tu-144 with Tu-160 engines is great :D
TonyFirelli 1 year ago
@TonyFirelli uh....no
itsmegp46 1 year ago
Dreadful music. You couldn't pay me to purchase this rubbish on iTunes.
jslasher1 1 year ago
is the tu144 still running for nasa or anywhere
IDONTKNOWWHYTOO 1 year ago
@IDONTKNOWWHYTOO No, it is stopped since 98 or 99
FSXairpilot 1 year ago
is the tupolev still running for nasa or anywhere
IDONTKNOWWHYTOO 1 year ago
The TU-144 was a complete failure. The engines alone were flops. Clumsy and inefficient turbofan engines were unable to achieve and maintain Mach 2 cruising speed. Afterburners were thus required. This greatly reduced flight range to about 1,600 miles. After 55 scheduled passenger flights, the TU-144 was withdrawn from service.
itsmegp46 1 year ago
@itsmegp46 Listen, THIS IS A TRIBUTE VIDEO!, If you like the plane great you can comment about it, but if you don't like it then why are you commenting anyway? and in fact why do you even care about this plane? It was a failiure, just like The Concorde due to the fact that both used a lot of fuel and where costly to maintain. If you want to make fun of the tu-144 then do it somewhere else.
FSXairpilot 1 year ago 6
@FSXairpilot Compared to the TU-144, the Concorde was a huge success. In service for 27 years, the Concorde suffered only one fatal crash. This was due to debris on the runway, not any failing of the aircraft. Once again, the TU-144 was pulled from service after only 55 scheduled passenger flights. If you're posting a tribute, fine. But I also have the right to post information here. If you don't like it, then YOU leave.
itsmegp46 1 year ago
@itsmegp46 thats cause russia had no money and europe did. LOL LITERALLY!
straighttailpilot 1 year ago
@itsmegp46 Nah, if you don't like video leave.
TonyFirelli 1 year ago
@itsmegp46 Oh well, Atleast we made one. Americans had to come crawling to Russians to check how Tu-144 worked. Either way we achieved so much in this world that this is just on a small scale, Tu-144 atleast flew mach 2 first, we can do a lot but we're not perfect ;) (Russia)
TonyFirelli 1 year ago
@TonyFirelli Crawling? The US paid for the use of the TU-144 for research for future supersonic aircraft. In other words, how to improved the product.
itsmegp46 1 year ago
@itsmegp46 Maybe I exaggerated a bit. But world won't be as good without it.
TonyFirelli 1 year ago
come on, that's a pale copy which did not work ; VIVA CONCORDSKY
flows69 1 year ago
КРАСАВА!!!
paaaaaaava 1 year ago
why does concorde have a curved nose?
Jacksack123b 1 year ago
@Jacksack123b cause it looks cool
semo2010 1 year ago
@Jacksack123b did someone answered your question ? I'd like to know too
flows69 1 year ago
Concorde flew fine for many years and was a beautiful reality, this condordosky didn't, fact
vaxiawval 1 year ago
@TheARMAProductions True enough. The -144 had to use afterburners to maintain supersonic speed (thus hugely reducing range); as such, the -144 had no "cruising" speed - it was always wide fucking open. Junk.
beeroosterm 1 year ago
TU144 the best!
vonBrowning 1 year ago
When we can and want knock off, we do it :-)
Nuclear bomb, Tu-4 bomber, etc :-)
However, for what i read about Tu-144, it was technology disaster. Utimately unreliable plane.
Ann0ynimouse 1 year ago
It's just a copy of pure spionage! LOL! :)
Zyvex10 1 year ago
every hammer is a rip-off of every another hammer.
every table looks much like another one.
even Shutte and Buran looks much the same, even so different internally.
2+2=4 throughout the Globe.
If you aim at making heavy large supersonic airliner, you's end with similar physics, shape, thrust, speed, etc
Ann0ynimouse 1 year ago 4
@Ann0ynimouse The suspicions arise though, when they arrive there at (almost) the same time:))))))))))
0450marlin 1 year ago
so basically a knock off of the concord?
MrMegaWolfeman 1 year ago
@MrMegaWolfeman actually this came before concord.
rajithaify 1 year ago
An ugly duckling, but only in the eyes of the beholder. Thanks for your tribute. Too bad about the music though.
jslasher1 1 year ago
the tu 144 is an icon in aircraft design. its design was ahead of its time. unfortunately the plane was stopped after the tragic accident in the paris air show in 1973.
if it would have survived it would have had a great influence on the aircraft industry.
geopolitically it would have had an influence on the events in the ussr. this plane would have brought the west and the east of the ussr nearer with unforeseeable consequences.
asedky 1 year ago
LOL! All in the name of espionage! What else!! Jaajajaja...
Zyvex10 1 year ago
Beautiful Bird !!
huvander 1 year ago 4
I have always liked the look of the TU 144, so jet fighter like, very USSR. The Concorde is just a beautiful bird. The TU-144 went for function and Concorde for beauty. Great pictures though, really great.
scottyburen 1 year ago 16
@scottyburen Thank you for commenting, So many people argue about topics like the tu-144 is worse than concorde or better, sometimes i think that the cold war just ended in a book instead of withing us
FSXairpilot 1 year ago 8
@scottyburen By "function" I take it to mean the -144 was cobbled together - because it was. An incredible piece of shit. I'm amazed anybody would step foot in that thing after one flight. From what I read, it had multiple systems failures serious enough to warrant emergency landings or cancellation of many flights (probably all of them if the truth were known) and required the personal approval of Tupolev himself and an air minister for any passenger flight! Fuck this piece of junk...
beeroosterm 1 year ago
Actually the truth is the Russians attempted to counter the airshow display Concorde had put on the day before.
The crew took the aircraft beyond permitted perameters, relying on untested equipment and sytems which failed them.
You can also see the original design (without the little canards) had the engines placed much closer together, this was a design flaw they tried to correct later on the following models by spacing the engines, as you can see.
They also got the wing shape wrong.
hocuspokus1 1 year ago
if you cant suggest ANY ACTUAL engineering facts of it's "stolen" designs which wil prove "inferior" to concorde or viasversa. Please fuck off.
VVUULDTUURRM 1 year ago
@VVUULDTUURRM Blah blah blah blah another 2 bit keyboard hero telling everyone to fuck off....right then........ do a bit of research yourself, don't rely on wiki do some good honest study and then you can tell the rest of us how good the TU-144 was and why. Thats a good boy/girl now run along and get to those books.
theoldgalah 1 year ago
never has so much rubbish been said by so few lol
russian spies stole an early design of concorde which was floored
new one was drawn later,the british new the russians stole it but kept quiet
because they knew the plane would be a death trap if built.
the british could not afford to build it on there own and ask the french to join up.
gforcegeorge 1 year ago
@gforcegeorge I did read something similar years ago but can't remember what or where etc but yes the poms did know about the theft of the plans and apparently did know it was faulty but let the ruskies build it anyway.Shame about the crew though,apparently they were good honest blokes just doing their respective jobs.
theoldgalah 1 year ago
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ah yes the concorde copy. similar but worse in almost every way. but then i guss it would be similar if you sent spies to copy the concordes desighn.
scallymouse14 1 year ago
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scallymouse14 1 year ago
Giant RC Tupolev Planes:
tu-model. 000a. biz
gimnazium20 1 year ago
Fantastic Video,
If i may ask Where was the Footage sorced & What is the name of the Soundtrack?
michaelfergusonuk 1 year ago
Actually the plane fall apart because known soviet industrial spies were fed disinformation and though the plane was built properly the materials used were not to the right specs thus it fell out of the sky taking with it several skilled and innocent pilots and flight and aeronautical engineers.. It didn't fall apart on its first flight but at the Paris airshow if memory serves me ok I read this somewhere in a readers digest or something similar so whether thats true I don't know
theoldgalah 1 year ago
@theoldgalah First of all the plane fell apart in the airshow because the plane went on a 90 degree nose dive suddenly when a mirage came close to it flying over so it pitched 90 degrees down and the crew where trying to pull it up but the plane couldn't take it but if you think that their material was bad then how do you explain the fact that it was faster than the Concorde?
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FSXairpilot 1 year ago 12
@FSXairpilot Don't get excited about what is better than what. Apparently some of the key structural specs were not correct and with a few flights metal fatigue had started to set in and when the crew had to do the radical maneuvers the plane as you already said couldn't take it and fell apart. The specs must have been close but not quite right otherwise the Russian engineers would have picked it up. A shame actually and apparently the crew were good blokes.....
theoldgalah 1 year ago
@FSXairpilot Indeed Comrade,
I may be British & a life long Concorde Fan but i don't think that means i can't Love this Beautiful & Majestic Masterpeice of Soviet-Russian Engineering too,
Many of those in the Concorde Program said that a Rival would have attually helped Concorde's Viablity,
michaelfergusonuk 1 year ago
@theoldgalah That's a complete MYTH Attually!!
The KGB Did try to get Hold of the Scimatic's of Concorde & the Yankee's Failed SST But only to see if there was anything the Western Power's had over the Tupolev 144 which had already been Fully Developed,
That & "Concordski" is NOT a Valid Name just a Spitefull Western Insult,
The 144 is a Example of "Convergent Evolution" (when a similar result is accived by Two (or more) different Sorce's not connected to each other in any way)
michaelfergusonuk 1 year ago
@michaelfergusonuk You maybe right I don't know for sure.I just remember reading something in a readers digest years ago.As for "Convergent Evolution" the same thing happened with radio and the steam engine didn't it? Bloody amazing I reckon.
theoldgalah 1 year ago
@theoldgalah The Trick with the Popular Media in my experiance is to Read Between the Line's & Cross-examine everything i Read & Hear since a lot is Baiased & subject to oppinion & lack of Sufficent Infomation leading to them making assumption's & even making it up,
To be fair i encountered the version you discribed on a Documentary on "Channel 5" About "Concorde" which was dismissive of it's Soviet Spiritual Elder Sister the "TU-144" & attually beleved it until i saw Contradictory Proof.
michaelfergusonuk 1 year ago
@michaelfergusonuk Yes I feel we are being fed falsehoods on a regular basis simply to shape public opinion to suit certain ideologies.
theoldgalah 1 year ago
ok what about this fucking plane behind maybe he was triend to add a little extra vortex kick onto its aerodinamic .Tu144 supposedly took drastic evasive action with tragic results.
VVUULDTUURRM 1 year ago
That plane fell apart when it went way over the speed of the concord. too bad that happened or else the russians would now be taking us around the world, and that is a good thing. :D
russialand1 1 year ago
@russialand1 Where did you get the fact that it fell apart because it went faster than the concorde? If you are talking about le bourget than it fell apart because of stress caused by the plane pulling up from a sudden dive
FSXairpilot 1 year ago
@FSXairpilot the Russians built a version to the aircraft that literally fell apart on first flight (i'm 70% sure)
FireSale07 1 year ago
@FireSale07 What version?
FSXairpilot 1 year ago
@FSXairpilot Tu-144
FireSale07 1 year ago
@FireSale07 really? i didn't know that
FSXairpilot 1 year ago 2
@FSXairpilot That's bullshit. Why did the Tupolev have it's maiden flight EARLIER than the Concorde? Do you know that the blueprint of aircraft like these fill a dozens of railway trailers? That was a time BEFORE mankind was able to put billions of data sheets on a hard drive or a memory stick. What the heck people like you are trying to do? The Russians have always been able to develop amazing airplanes, and the differences between Concorde and the Tu-144 are vast, if you take a closer look.
OhJohnDoe 1 year ago 2
@OhJohnDoe No question about the differences. The -144 was a failure in every sense of the word while the Concorde was a beautiful aircraft, successful in its mission - and "only" one crash after thousands of flights. And the crash was due to runway debris, not a systems failure. Dozens of railway trailers? You're confused - and quite stupid, to boot...
beeroosterm 1 year ago
@beeroosterm Sweetheart, try to behave, even if it's the internet. Simply babbling doesn't work. You call the Concorde a success? After building sixteen aircraft? Sixteen aircraft that even though the (really awesome) develeoping costs were paid by the taxpayer only proved to be an economical desaster right from the start till the end? And talking about the Tu: You simply don't KNOW how the Tupolew behaved in flight. You never spoke to a single pilot who flew one. Second hand information...
OhJohnDoe 1 year ago
@beeroosterm There is a German saying: If you have nothing to say, simply shut up.
OhJohnDoe 1 year ago
@beeroosterm Nevertheless the idiot claims of 'copy' and 'failure' including 'Concorde was the only SST' will never stop. As long as people believe rather than know.
OhJohnDoe 1 year ago
To bad yours don't work anymore and your superpower has vanished from the face of the Earth forever. That must suck for you guys. Fucking assholes. We'll finish the job of grinding you into the ground that we have started.
Ribavirin9 1 year ago
@Ribavirin9 ? What do you mean? Communists?
FSXairpilot 1 year ago
@FSXairpilot Hey, fucking yourself on our orders will commence 20 years ago.
Ribavirin9 1 year ago
@Ribavirin9 ?Why me? Because I like some Russian Plane you are insulting me? I am not even Russian! And what is with the orders?
FSXairpilot 1 year ago
@Ribavirin9 You can waffle on about American superiority all you like but Like all super powers American will fall. And if your young you will probably be unlucky enough to have to live through it. America isnt in the business of grinding russia into the ground hence the huge amounts of money and manpower going os to Russia to help keep the place on an even Keel
theoldgalah 1 year ago
@theoldgalah / absolutely! THE ONLY ONE NATION WHO CAN FUCK AMERICANS IS RUSSIANS! AND WE CAN DO IT ANYTIME
ra8791 1 year ago
@Ribavirin9 Seems like another pittiful yank, who cannot hack it that the US economy is on the verge of collapse. Don't worry when you guys collapse no one will come helping. By the way it was the concorde that was copied from the TU.
LEARNINGFREE1 1 year ago
@LEARNINGFREE1 ,
Concorde Copied from TU???..sorry bud, but you need to get your facts straight before you embarras again..i love the TU-144 though.
iflymig25 1 year ago
SST cool jet plane.
dray3x 1 year ago
dude this plane looks scary!
einmalderfelixbitte 1 year ago
The design of the Tupolev Tu-144 is spectacular. It has features that make it more beautiful than the Concorde.
raulox71 1 year ago
Ok, Like What?
FSXairpilot 1 year ago
@FSXairpilot The two little wings that the Tupolev Tu-144 have in the head for exaple. I like that.
raulox71 1 year ago
RUSSIAN PLANES = DEATH!!
miamad 1 year ago
The FIRST EVER...should be added to "video description"
Funfisique 1 year ago
¿Is the Tupolev TU-144 still in service?.
raulox71 1 year ago
@raulox71 NO, It was A Fail, Great Plane thought
FSXairpilot 1 year ago
@raulox71
There are still 1 or 2 operational, NASA borrowed one for supersonic studies.
monkeyman1140 1 year ago
@monkeyman1140 that was in the 90's if you look at the tu-144 plane because it if was operational now there would be a lot more videos of it on youtube like take off videos
FSXairpilot 1 year ago
UN-SAFE airplane. Pilots DREADED them. Cramped, shoddy building techniques--no WONDER so many CRASHED!!!
ascalia 1 year ago
@ascalia Well they built the tu-144 in a hurry because while concorde was being already shown to the public the soviets where working 25/8 to get the plane and how do you know its cramped? it was bigger than the concorde! and the concorde could carry from 90-100 where as the tu-144 could carry 114 i think and about the crash the first crash happened due to the fact tht a french mirage came over the top of the plane and the pilot to avoid it put the yoke down but the plane vent down and crashed
FSXairpilot 1 year ago
@FSXairpilot actually TU-144 had first his premiere before concorde.
100imiqtas 1 year ago
MUSIC the perfect and even better AIRPLANE
Davidjackson50 1 year ago
and music from 'Kill Bill'. That's what I call irony;)
xraymutation 1 year ago
CCCP xoxox
abuabu41 1 year ago
who sings it??? thank you
Davidjackson50 1 year ago
@Davidjackson50 I think KILL BILL theme
FSXairpilot 1 year ago
@Davidjackson50 nobody it's just a melody
100imiqtas 1 year ago
well every plane got it's own bht :P
Theparanormalman1 1 year ago
tribute .. ___?? this is one of the WORST planes ever made, It is a shame. It is very beautiful, but it is also a widow maker.
eloyex 1 year ago
WORST? Trust me, that's gonna piss off people
FSXairpilot 1 year ago
@FSXairpilot why pissof people shame for them every year when that plane was made at crashed 1to 4 times killing everyone its a nice looking thing but it is the widow maker
7249xxl 1 year ago
@7249xxl The concorde has had way more crashes. one every 5-10 years, killing everyone on board.
LEARNINGFREE1 1 year ago
@LEARNINGFREE1 concorde crashed once due to a accident in france
gforcegeorge 1 year ago
@eloyex U IDIOT U NEVER INSULT A RUSSIAN PLANE THERE SOME OF THE BEST UNLIKE THAT EUROPEAN AND AMERICAN SHIT THEY FLY
airboy1997 1 year ago
@eloyex Tu-144 was able to develop about 10% higher speed, more passengers conceived in the last version had a greater dolet.Neni badly made, just too hurried contest-west of the East - the Soviet Union versus the world, and even the Concorde is not without flaws, in addition is smaller, slower, and even wing Tu-144 is better designed and tested on the MiG-21Analog.Tu-144 was able to develop about 10% higher speed, conceived more than cestujícíclet.
Davidjackson50 1 year ago
@eloyex Za noteworthy that the two airplanes hit the big accident, which fundamentally influenced their fate. These incidents have become places, separated by only about 5 km.Zatímco Concorde thinking only about the traffic on high-quality certified VPD, Tu-144 was landing on Soviet conventional airports, whose condition was not always ideal. This is particularly evident in the design of the bogies was mhutný even tough.
Davidjackson50 1 year ago
Amazing peace of kit
honey6446464 1 year ago
This airplane is soooooooooooooo awesome! Looks even cooler than the Concorde itself!
diegobras 1 year ago
Да. Было время...
phantom7irk 1 year ago
What's not been mentioned is that TWO other Tu-144's crashed (not counting the Paris crash caused by a Mirage). These were on "mail runs". Both crashed in same month (May) and they were pulled from service after this. You can read about these crashes if you google it. Bottom line - they were unsafe.
shearersshorts 1 year ago
@shearersshorts It's called experiments or also known as prototypes.
TonyFirelli 1 year ago
@TonyFirelli WHAT was "experiments" "prototypes"? Sorry but don't understand your comment.
shearersshorts 1 year ago
@TonyFirelli umm the tu-144's that you said crashed twice...
TonyFirelli 1 year ago
if you'll say "I hate Concorde" i'll say "I LOVE YOU!!!"
mishotatishvili 1 year ago
Thats a greate plane.. It's the first supersonic plane used for people tranport..
But what's the music's name?
Sr0Longo 1 year ago
tu-144 is much better than concorde. i do not know why do i think so... but i don't like concorde. very good video. and which plane do you like?
mishotatishvili 1 year ago
@mishotatishvili
You don't like Concorde because you're a sore loser?
CPS2 1 year ago
@mishotatishvili Tu-144
TonyFirelli 1 year ago
Beautiful video! I love the "strela stratosfery" (Arrow of the stratosphere)
Parrambusties 1 year ago
thank you for your comment, appreciate it
FSXairpilot 1 year ago
I LOVE the canards on TU-144. What a fantastic plane!
Frunzenskiy 1 year ago
Soviets and their rectangle intakes.
krrrruptidsoless 2 years ago
So just how many crashed, broke up.....disappeared? (yes I agree the French caused the Airshow crash). Why did they only fly 55 scheduled flights with passengers and get grounded after an additional 70+ "mail delivery" flights. Why were all soviet pilots shit scared to fly it? The engines close together did not coz crash in Paris BUT CCCP knew what the consequences would be if it ever happened. It had 2 many problems, that's why it got quietly dropped. It's all well documented now, easy to find.
shearersshorts 2 years ago 2
At 2:14 where was that!?!?!?!?? Two of the greatest airliners that ever graced the skies together!
SouthAfricanAirways1 2 years ago
germany some airshow place
FSXairpilot 2 years ago
@FSXairpilot Thank you.
SouthAfricanAirways1 2 years ago
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shearersshorts 2 years ago
Seems it wont let me post a website for you all. Type in browser "Nova transcripts supersonic spies" read that and you will all be able to speak to anyone with probably more knowledge than them on this subject.
shearersshorts 2 years ago
sad that a plane like that. a plane that has revolutionized the way airplanes are made is being dumped to a graveyard of old planes.
hapazaz 2 years ago
Don't be stupid, it NEVER revolutionised anything. CONCORDE REVOLUTIONISED EVERYTHING. If Britain and France had not designed Concorde then there would have been NO plans for the Soviets to steal - no plans NO Tu-144. Simple as that. Case closed.
shearersshorts 2 years ago
im not pointing directly at the tupolev, to be honest i was talking about both the planes, yet there is to argue about whether it did revoloutinize or not, since it was faster than the concorde it did happen to do something different. and correct me if im wrong, really do. but i dont recall any major failures within the tupolev resulting in a loss of many lives.
hapazaz 2 years ago
No major failures? Well, one TU-144 crashed at a Paris airshow because the positioning of its engines was too close together, creating some sort of vacuum that could stall the engines.
Is that failure major enough for you? Oh, and it of course killed the aircrew and anybody else who may have been on for the ride.
The Concorde was in fact the revolutionary machine the TU-144 was based on. Some say stolen plans, some say spies, whatever. The Russians simply never bothered to refine it enough.
levijonessheep 2 years ago
Exactly. It had MAJOR FAILURES. A direct result of what we call pirating these days. The copy is never as good as the original. I'm an Engineer (have been for 35yrs) I KNOW if you try to copy someone elses design, it doesn't work. It is simple, you don't understand the process that got you to the point of a specific shape or design. What may seem trivial and a small change can be catastrophic because you didn't do the research or testing. That's what happened with TU144.
shearersshorts 2 years ago
OH AND BY THE WAY - It was a French Mirage jet trying to photograph the TU144 canards that caused it to crash. But by making the TU144 take evasive action it unintentionally showed up the flaws in the airframe design (no research/development).
shearersshorts 2 years ago
while half of that is true the rest is shit, firstly the engines being close together didn't create a vacuum if u want to know the causes of the Paris airshow crash look it up. secondly while the tu-144 was built on stolen concorde plans the tu144 was something else, if the Russians didn't refine it how come it was bigger, faster and involved some ingenious creations of its own, its just a shame Russia was falling down in economics during the tu144 program
JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZZZZ!!!!!!
Nomanners100 2 years ago
If an engine went down it WOULD cause a vacuum (not when they were ok), Soviets figured that out. It was one of the main reasons the plane was taken out of service. I never said it was the cause of the Paris crash. It was supposed to be faster (calculations - never actually did go faster), yes it was bigger, fail to see what that has to do with anything. Ingenious creations ??? Like what? don't say canards. They were only added because it was unstable at landing/take-off speeds-bad wing design.
shearersshorts 2 years ago
You've got death kiss from Soviets - tomorrow you must go to mosque. Remember that every single day.
pizdabol900 2 years ago
Yeah right. Mosque? Lived with a mosque outside my bedroom window in Saudi Arabia for 20 years hearing 5 calls to prayer every day. Think I've been there, heard that, enough for the rest of my life. Thank you, but no thank you.
shearersshorts 2 years ago
Love the interior color -which all Russian kit is painted in!- Green-blue or something.
EatTheTele 2 years ago
LarryTheTubaBoy - Concorde was banned from flying over land because of the sonic boom by the AMERICANS. They could not build their own, they gave up. Britain/France and Soviets where way ahead of anything America could design so when beaten (WELL beaten) ban it.. The thing is there are at least 5000 sonic booms over America on any given day. Does anyone complain never mind even notice.
shearersshorts 2 years ago
agreed
FSXairpilot 2 years ago
@shearersshorts
It was banned from flying at supersonic speeds over Europe too not just America. In fact I'm pretty sure supersonic speeds were only permitted once Concorde was over the atlantic ocean.
You're right about the supersonic booms though. Britain has ridiculous noise pollution laws which Concorde apparently breached. Although, I live in mid Wales where the RAF regularly conduct low flying supersonic and subsonic test flights. So I don't understand why it was different for Concorde?
levijonessheep 2 years ago
Yes. I don't know what age you are BUT I lived through it. It was a STICH UP as usual by the USA. Tell other countries what harm it might do etc then once 2 or 3 countries (with no brains but a big hand waiting for a pay day) then we will ban it too. "God we can't all be wrong" It was political, a way of USA saving face by being not even 2nd at something else. Remember this was same time USSR were walking all over USA in the space race as well. TSR2 cancelled because USA had nothing to compete.
shearersshorts 2 years ago
Oh, I'm only 23. But we here in Wales are regularly subjected to the tremendous roars of tornado's and the occasional Harrier's flying a few hundred feet over our head. It's seriously loud, but, I cant imagine anyone complaining about them. It's just something that goes on around here.
I can actually imagine your theory being true too. The US, a bit pissed they've come last in something do everything they can to destroy the glory for the winners. It just sounds like an American thing to do.
levijonessheep 2 years ago
@shearersshorts
Very true. Sour grapes, mate. :-)
CPS2 1 year ago
well i agree with qwertdr that the concorde was nice to fly in because i have had the chance to fly on one i was seated at the front where it probably was quieter i was told that at the rear it could be loud maybe at takeoff i travelled to tahiti on the concorde from toronto with stops in vancouver and honolulu this was part of a special package that i thought was at a really good price because the concorde had to go there to get a group of people
bernard240vdc 2 years ago
That's interesting, because as I understand it, the Concorde was banned from flight over land due to the force of the sonic boom... yet the route you describe takes the Concorde over a good chunk of the northern US.
LarryTheTubaBoy 2 years ago
God I am sick of reading the shit people write about this plane. The Soviets stole the plans for years and built a copy. But without doing there own testing and development they totally screwed up. They took Concorde design put their own engines on it too close together (mistake) one fails, vacuum so ALL fail. Altered wing shape so landing speed too fast - it crashed. Added canards so it wouldn't stall at low speeds. It was total crap. Scrapheap challenge stuff.
shearersshorts 2 years ago
as it says in the top gear annual tgis years it 1 of the failure of transport its just the russian version of concorde
liamriise 2 years ago
Concorde was the most-tested aircraft at that time,with more than 8,000 symulated cycles of take-off/cruise/landing. Tu-144D was at least as fast as Concorde,but safety was not very high.
anisocoro 2 years ago
it was faster than the Concorde but on the rest i would agree still it is like a Lamborghini coutach it is beautiful and even if it has problems you put that aside and plus people where still learning at the time it was a time when no computers existed and dont forget unfortunately the soviets made the tu-144 in hurry as a response to the west but personally if i wanted to be safe i would fly in the concorde if i wanted to hear the sound of the engines while i fly i would fly in the tu-144
FSXairpilot 2 years ago
You know, I just learned that the Tu-144's first flight was three months before Concorde's. Tu-144: Dec. 31, 1968 Concorde: March 2, 1969
StaniSolt 2 years ago
Nice! Like the music!
StaniSolt 2 years ago
No one can copy the style of the concord.Its the most beautiful plane of the world.And its the fastest too(for a plane which carry passangers).But this plane just does not take by breath away.!
67894143 2 years ago
tu-144 was faster concorde could achieve max speed 2.2 mach while tu-144 got 2.4 and the disighn is more fasicnating
FSXairpilot 2 years ago
Both not for passengers, it designed for proud. Both dangerous.
watzup1901 2 years ago
What a load of bollocks.
I don't know about the TU-144 in terms of safety - but it doesn't seem favourable. Concorde IS safe.
The TU-144's cabin noise was so loud that you could not hear the person next to you. Concorde however was a pleasure to fly in.
What a load of crap you speak.
qwertdr 2 years ago
how do you know all of this when you havent even flown on ti tu-144
FSXairpilot 2 years ago
Numerous reports from Western journalists - now while you may think it to be biased, it was again confirmed when NASA and Tupolev reactivated one in the mid 90's.
qwertdr 2 years ago
look,if you dont respect tu-144 then why do you even watch vids about it? you think it was carp? then how come nasa picked tu-144 instead of concorde for testing huh? and the noise was on first models if the plane would have survived then that problem would have been solved. by the way concorde had problems of its own and only rich people could fly on it or lucky people that have been saving up while i think the tu-144 was more affordable to fly on
FSXairpilot 2 years ago