I like the attitude, normally integration by parts would be considered part of the "most basic mathematical foundations obvious to the most casual observer"
a little mistake in the equation he writes from 1:31:00 i think, m r double dot is not minus partial U to r because it's actually partial L to r and L depends on r not only through U but also through the kinetic term of the angle.... (it's the centrifugal term)
@kmav81 It's just a maths technicality. It's true because you can find discontinuos functions A(t) where int A(t) f(t) = 0 but A(t) is not 0 everywhere. Eg A(t) = -1 on [-1,0] and A(t)=+1 on [0,1]. So A discontinuous on [-1,1]. Can choose f(t) to be anything ... f(t)=1 is easiest. Now int A(t)f(t) = 0 over interval [-1,1] but A(t) is not zero.
@fuckshitass911 (great moniker) Thanks. Yes forgot must make int A(t)f(t) = 0 for *all* f, not just a particular one. Was trying to find discontinuous A where int A(t) f(t) = 0 for arbitrary f(t), but A(t) not zero everywhere. What about worst case scenario, A(t) = 1 if t is rational, zero otherwise?
@fuckshitass911 Why would the derivative of the integral be relevant in this particular case? You wouldn't need it for the proof of the theorem. Just wondering.
I can follow the maths as i just learned calc 1-3 in my spare time, but the physical concepts are just a little too difficult for me. I feel that I only need to know a tiny bit more to understand all this fully, but right now it feels somewhat scattered. I'm still very glad these lectures are put up for all to view though. Thanks Stanford and Susskind.
Or you should be flogged for being so safely rude in the anonymity of the Internet. Troll. This kind of presentation, given for free, is gold. The sound could be louder but I can hear it. Your ingratitude and lack of manners is disgusting.
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What's it to you? If you're appreciative of something than you notice ways to in improve, make them known so it can be improved. Discourse and criticism leads to progress but you're a regressive creature. Stagnant human shit. I did not attack the lecture i attacked the damn volume and whomever the idiot is by which the videos potential was limited by their ineptness. Unless you're them mind your own business you fucking cunt.
@yes1123 He doesn't say that. First of all, they are two separate equations he writes down on separate lines (the lower equation is the time derivative of the upper one). Second, the reason that the term you mention doesn't come into account is that the derivative is with respect to r-dot (not r, look close), and the second term of L does not explicitly depend on r-dot.
@MyAce81 I was referring to the right side of the second equation. At that point, he is applying the Euler-Lagrange equation: d(dL/dr-dot) / dt = dL/dr. I agree that the left-hand-side is mr-doubledot, but the partial on the right-hand-side (dL/dr) is with respect to r, not r-dot.
@yes1123 Ah, yes, sorry, you are correct. Or at least i see the problem now. That term would correspond to some "pseudo-force" i guess? The centrifugal force maybe?
@rmnbrw Technically the "Dirac delta function" is not a function, though it can often be thought of as a function. In this case I don't think the dirac delta should be considered; however any arbitrarily tall and skinny spike would be ok. In this context, the "blip function" needs to have some width.
The sound repro sux! some lectures are loud enough this one's so soft! dont Stanford check its otuputs for quality? coming from an ivy league, this sux!
He doesn't emphasise that the Euler-Lagrange equations are fundamental to classical mechanics because they can be derived from the Principle of Virtual Work and Newton's second law. Since the Euler-Lagrange equations can also be derived form the Principle of Least Action, then the Principle of Least Action is just another reformulation of classical mechanics, and not a postulate of physics.
...this is not an undergraduate class...the people in this class have paid money to be in the company of an emminent physicist. I think the lectures are great...I have a degree in electrical engineering though...whats your background ?
heh, exactly the same here. I got my engineering degree last year(after 5 long hard years) and I felt that some courses(obviously tailored to engineering studies) weren't giving us the complete picture. Most stuff we saw on quantum mechanics, langrangian, Hamiltonian, ...
were giving on a fairly superficial basis and always left me with some questions.
Now I'm following a master in Physics in my spare time while working as an analog design engineer.
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bundawartini 1 week ago
720p pls :D
H4zarD1337 2 weeks ago
Tnx Stanford ofr this videos. I really enjoy seeing and hearing this.
Susskind really gives a best view of the basic principles in physics, and science
And puts down the basic assamptions on the table as should be
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jellyfish501 3 weeks ago in playlist Course | Modern Physics: Classical Mechanics
Did that guy seriously just get offended because the professor called curved coordinates screwball? WTF.
awsomenesscaleb 2 months ago 4
Amazing vid!
potpie921 3 months ago
Physics deals in everyday life. From the moment you wake up, until the time you go to bed. Great video!
grunder20 3 months ago
The guys in this class are just painful, I'd have bitch slapped them if I was him.
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great lecture! thanks!
thebigfootme 3 months ago
This is awesome. Great discussion by the physics prof.
agapitoflores001 3 months ago
I like the attitude, normally integration by parts would be considered part of the "most basic mathematical foundations obvious to the most casual observer"
SalsaTiger83 5 months ago
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MatthewSiegelYTube 6 months ago
a little mistake in the equation he writes from 1:31:00 i think, m r double dot is not minus partial U to r because it's actually partial L to r and L depends on r not only through U but also through the kinetic term of the angle.... (it's the centrifugal term)
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klgamit 6 months ago
I have maxed the volume of my PC and headphones as much as I can, and I can still barely hear this :(
sloochy 8 months ago
These lectures are FAR better than any physics lecture I ever had at U of O
ripperduck 8 months ago
integral A(t)f(t) = 0 only implies A = 0 if A is continuous?
kmav81 8 months ago
@kmav81 It's just a maths technicality. It's true because you can find discontinuos functions A(t) where int A(t) f(t) = 0 but A(t) is not 0 everywhere. Eg A(t) = -1 on [-1,0] and A(t)=+1 on [0,1]. So A discontinuous on [-1,1]. Can choose f(t) to be anything ... f(t)=1 is easiest. Now int A(t)f(t) = 0 over interval [-1,1] but A(t) is not zero.
PLecN 8 months ago
@PLecN
nice try. but wrong approach.
integral of A(t)f(t)=0 implies the function A(t)f(t) is identically zero.
since f is arbitary, it follows A(t) should be zero, as f can be chosen to be 1.
fuckshitass911 8 months ago
@fuckshitass911 (great moniker) Thanks. Yes forgot must make int A(t)f(t) = 0 for *all* f, not just a particular one. Was trying to find discontinuous A where int A(t) f(t) = 0 for arbitrary f(t), but A(t) not zero everywhere. What about worst case scenario, A(t) = 1 if t is rational, zero otherwise?
PLecN 8 months ago
@PLecN
A(t) must be continuous.
otherwise for any A(t) that is almost 0 everywhere also satisfies the property.
fuckshitass911 8 months ago
@fuckshitass911
and the derviative of the integral will not be defined at some points, if A(t)f(t) is not continuous.
fuckshitass911 8 months ago
@fuckshitass911 Why would the derivative of the integral be relevant in this particular case? You wouldn't need it for the proof of the theorem. Just wondering.
PLecN 7 months ago
Excellent lectures, really helping me with my Calculus of Variations Module... Thankyou Stanford and Leonard Susskind!
NoTryOnlyDo 9 months ago
I can follow the maths as i just learned calc 1-3 in my spare time, but the physical concepts are just a little too difficult for me. I feel that I only need to know a tiny bit more to understand all this fully, but right now it feels somewhat scattered. I'm still very glad these lectures are put up for all to view though. Thanks Stanford and Susskind.
Liaomiao 9 months ago
holy fuck that guy needs to shut up - DAMN
TheOvermaster 10 months ago
isn't this hamilton principal not principal of least action
superok4luv2u 11 months ago
@superok4luv2u same thing
ibreakkidslegs 10 months ago
I am privileged to be able to access this an my discretion, thank you Stanford! but i do have a hard time hearing.
jreedmcu1 1 year ago
I am privileged to be able to access this an my discretion, thank you Stanford!
jreedmcu1 1 year ago
man this level of physics is beyond real, i don't understand anything :S
paulojunior201 1 year ago
Thanks for allowing me to access these lectures.
loonyTunes86 1 year ago
Thank you Stanford!
stangmonkey1 1 year ago
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classical mechanics for retards
ibreakkidslegs 1 year ago
@ibreakkidslegs he explains it slowly - but this is in no way basic classical mechanics...
TheOvermaster 10 months ago
@TheOvermaster hahaha yes that's that I meant. Classical mechanics for retards who already know the stuff up to Lagrangian formalism
ibreakkidslegs 10 months ago
THIS has rekindled my interest in physics!I couldn't have imagined otherwise after leaving college so many years ago..thanks stanford!
rks4sm 1 year ago 2
Simply having a short discussion on the generalized chain rule for partial derivatives would have saved me considerable time lol :P
QuantumMaths 1 year ago
Summary:
Derivation of the Principle of Least Action and the
Euler-Lagrange eq.
Derivation of Newtons laws from the PLA.
Several examples using the Lagrangian to derive
conservation laws and the associated symmetries.
Awesome.
QuaternionEM 1 year ago 13
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Whoever recorded this should be publicly flogged because i can't hear it. NEEDS TO BE LOUDER!!!
Zovk 2 years ago
Or you should be flogged for being so safely rude in the anonymity of the Internet. Troll. This kind of presentation, given for free, is gold. The sound could be louder but I can hear it. Your ingratitude and lack of manners is disgusting.
wideeyedraven15 2 years ago 6
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What's it to you? If you're appreciative of something than you notice ways to in improve, make them known so it can be improved. Discourse and criticism leads to progress but you're a regressive creature. Stagnant human shit. I did not attack the lecture i attacked the damn volume and whomever the idiot is by which the videos potential was limited by their ineptness. Unless you're them mind your own business you fucking cunt.
Zovk 2 years ago
@Zovk turn the volume up dumbass
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gravity of two with the third is:
(F1/M1) (R1)^2 = G M3 = (F2/M2) (R2)^2
a (F1/F2) (1/a) (M2/M1) = (R2/R1) (R2/R1)
a F1/F2 = R2/R1 = 1/a M2/M1
a = sqrt(F2 M2)/sqrt(F1 M1)
so newton's gravity reduces to
sqrt(F2 M2) F1 R1 = sqrt(F1 M1) F2 R2 and
sqrt(F2 M2) M1 R2 = sqrt(F1 M1) M2 R1
contrary to which the lever law says:
F1/F2 = M1/M2 = Q1/Q2 = R2/R1
dedanoe 2 years ago
I feel so privileged to have access to these lectures. Thanks, Stanford.
fielsjd 2 years ago 45
@fielsjd All education should be free.
XanglesPrime 3 months ago
At 1:31:05, he says that dL/dr = -dU/dr. Why is the 1/2*m*r^2*theta-dot^2 term not taken into account?
Shouldn't dL/dr = -dU/dr + m*r*theta-dot^2?
yes1123 2 years ago 2
@yes1123 He doesn't say that. First of all, they are two separate equations he writes down on separate lines (the lower equation is the time derivative of the upper one). Second, the reason that the term you mention doesn't come into account is that the derivative is with respect to r-dot (not r, look close), and the second term of L does not explicitly depend on r-dot.
MyAce81 2 years ago
@MyAce81 I was referring to the right side of the second equation. At that point, he is applying the Euler-Lagrange equation: d(dL/dr-dot) / dt = dL/dr. I agree that the left-hand-side is mr-doubledot, but the partial on the right-hand-side (dL/dr) is with respect to r, not r-dot.
yes1123 2 years ago
@yes1123 Ah, yes, sorry, you are correct. Or at least i see the problem now. That term would correspond to some "pseudo-force" i guess? The centrifugal force maybe?
MyAce81 2 years ago
I loved uni, I could happily sit through physicslectures all day to nourish my mind. Thanks Stanford.
marsCubed 2 years ago 36
around 17 and 20 minutes, didnt he talk about that stuff in the last lecture
coolie13 2 years ago
0:12:54
That's not true.
A(t) could for example be the function, which is 1 at 0 and 0 everywhere else and it would have the property.
exfalsoquodlibet 2 years ago
It's true under the condition that A(t) is well-behaved; in particular, it should be continuous
kotalik4 2 years ago
I think what matters is that the integral of A(t)dt is zero
pedrofonini 2 years ago
well f(t) is ANY function, so it can be infinit at 0, as for example delta function and have integral of 1 with your defined A(t)
rmnbrw 2 years ago
The lebesgue integral of this would still be 0.
The lebesgue integral of any function which is zero everywhere but on a set of measure zero is zero.
exfalsoquodlibet 2 years ago
@rmnbrw Technically the "Dirac delta function" is not a function, though it can often be thought of as a function. In this case I don't think the dirac delta should be considered; however any arbitrarily tall and skinny spike would be ok. In this context, the "blip function" needs to have some width.
doublebitaxe 1 year ago
The sound repro sux! some lectures are loud enough this one's so soft! dont Stanford check its otuputs for quality? coming from an ivy league, this sux!
ikanrajah 3 years ago 4
He doesn't emphasise that the Euler-Lagrange equations are fundamental to classical mechanics because they can be derived from the Principle of Virtual Work and Newton's second law. Since the Euler-Lagrange equations can also be derived form the Principle of Least Action, then the Principle of Least Action is just another reformulation of classical mechanics, and not a postulate of physics.
jmc8197 3 years ago
is that telling Lenny about physics...tut tut
jonnylazer 3 years ago
reminding him that he's lecturing to undergrads
jmc8197 3 years ago
...this is not an undergraduate class...the people in this class have paid money to be in the company of an emminent physicist. I think the lectures are great...I have a degree in electrical engineering though...whats your background ?
FoolHarvey 3 years ago
I have a degree in electronic engineering, but take an interest in physics as a hobby.
jmc8197 3 years ago
heh, exactly the same here. I got my engineering degree last year(after 5 long hard years) and I felt that some courses(obviously tailored to engineering studies) weren't giving us the complete picture. Most stuff we saw on quantum mechanics, langrangian, Hamiltonian, ...
were giving on a fairly superficial basis and always left me with some questions.
Now I'm following a master in Physics in my spare time while working as an analog design engineer.
Frostalzzz 3 years ago 2
why is lecture 2 private??
FarFromEquilibrium 3 years ago
where is lecture 2?
janfrinta 3 years ago