@TheBadBizzle I couldn't fit this part in my last post but i really need to say this before i got missunderstood.
Neither I'm saying everyone with autism is gifted but I'm sure in those who are it did have an important part in that ability, it's all by chance for sure.. I guess this would be becasue the sometimes compensate dissabilitys imporving other working parts , just as with blind people.
@TheBadBizzle maybe it can be true that just 5% of all autistics are gifted but at the same time when reffering specifically to savants half of all savants are autistics and the other have some kind of brain lession or problem; so i believe it can't be ignored that autism (specially) or other brain disorders do have a relation with gifted geniuses and not just a coincidence these gifted people we know had these mental diseases or disorders.
@TheBadBizzle I provided two credible sources. I am sticking to expert diagnosis. Einstein was autistic. I'd link them if Youtube allowed it. You can find the sources by Google searching Einstein Autism. You'll get an article from the BBC and an article from New Scientist talking about this.
@TheRyeguy123 You do realize that autistic people are generally geniuses in one area but are severely lacking in social skills and often don't do well in normal situations like school. That pretty much describes Einstein. If you just Google Einstein Autism, you'll get an article from the BBC and an article from New Scientist talking about this. I recommend doing some research next time before you just flat out dismiss a claim.
@gamingguy90 I have aspergers and while I LOVE quantum physics I am nowhere near as brilliant as Einstein. I do believe he was autistic too though because in our social skills group the people running it named famous people who most likely had aspergers too and they mentioned Einstein... I wish I was genius like him so I can see exactly what he saw when he studied physics...
To deny the existence of a god categorically is an exercise in futility.
we cannot and, indeed, should not know if there is a god.
Atheism is a good starting point, a blank slate from which to begin the liefelong search for god, the american dream, the meaning of life or whatever you want to call it.
Just don't make the mistake of letting you beliefs get tangled up in that urge to put a label on everything, once you trivialize your beliefs it's hard to set them free again.
@Kerouac0deciple We cannot know if there is a god so long as the religious continue to define god as something which cannot be known. And to say that we should not...Are you giving up that easily?
@Drgamedood You do realize that Bohr won every single one of those debates? And that this is one of the reasons why the Copenhagen-interpretation is the most widely used interpretation of quantum physics (rather than the missing variable-interpretation)?
and for those that do not know REAL history, albert einstien was not a thiest nor an athiest, as he could not understand either radical viewpoints. he was agnostic, do your research before you post such nonsense or retoric....speak truth, not hear-say...no science is not 100% but its deffinitely better than a book that claims to know everything that was written in times that we know nothing, even if we do not know much....ultimately he chose the path of least resistance.
@stylesisdaman You said it!! WRITTEN IN TIMES THAT YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT! It takes a much stronger man to take a Bible in His hand & try to do the BEST with it that he can, than for someone to just scoff at it, claim it's not TRUTH & blunder through this life only adding to the depravity of it. Feed the evil or save souls!! There is no fence to sit on. Jesus said "If you are not for Me, you are against Me". Be an asset to the Kingdom of God or just be an ass. FREEWILL, YOUR CHOICE!!
But science can only be created by those who are thoroughly imbued with the aspiration toward truth and understanding. This source of feeling, however, springs from religion. To this, belongs the faith in the possibility that the regulations valid for existence are rational, that is, comprehensible to reason. I cannot conceive of a genuine scientist without that profound faith. By an image: science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind. (Albert Einstein, 1941)
@wayinoutreach : Thats just absurd. To do science man needs to have blind faith on supernatural with zero evidence? That is not right, and its prooven today. There a many Atheistic scientists, and millions of Atheists on all walks of life. All doing their share, living productive happy lives. Nonsense and superstition is fading from this world, religion will die out.
@BELACSAMOHT : Because I dont believe any shit you make up? Thats pretty much the difference between religious people and Atheists. Religious people believe in nonsense, just because somebody says its true.
But you off course have evidence for your god, and evidence that scientists are dogmatic? You would not be just full of shit like every other creationist?
You're guilty of argumentum ex silentio as well straw manning, and thus argumentation shall cease hitherto you are able to present an argument which is not dishonest and fallacious.
What fantasy bubble? I believe no such theological doctrines, but I moreover don't think an argumentum ex silentio is convincing enough to make one an atheist, at least to anyone that has sense.
@BELACSAMOHT You are trying to use argument from silence to create an improper shifting of the burden of proof. Again you are the one making the outrageous claims, and since you can provide no evidence your claims can be rejected without evidence.
Nope, I'm telling you that your argument is fallcious. Furthermore, this is not a court of law, thereby the legal form of burden of proof is inapplicable, yet the philosophic burden of proof is, which entails the following; The philosophic burden of proof is the obligation on a party in an epistemic dispute to provide sufficient warrant for their position. Essentially, that there is an implicit burden of proof on the person asserting a claim....
@BELACSAMOHT : Are you still trying to get to the shockofgod-"challenge" with this? "Give me proof and evidence that Atheism is accurate and correct?" :)
@BELACSAMOHT : Yet you still have a superstition. So wich one did you get from your parents on this global lottery of religions?
And yes, shocks question is invalid. Celestial teapot. Do you believe in it? Off course not. Can you disprove it? No chance. Should the ownage be on you to disprove it? No way in hell.
You are asserting that God does not exist, and the only reason which you have provided was fallacious i.e. argumentum ex silentio, thereby entirely disregarding your position as such.
@bary1234 Then there are the fanatical atheists whose intolerance is the same as that of the religious fanatics, and it springs from the same source . . . They are creatures who can't hear the music of the spheres. (The Expanded Quotable Einstein, Princeton University Press, 2000 p. 214) When the answer is simple, God is speaking.(Albert Einstein)
@wayinoutreach : Intolerance of useless superstition? Defenately, thats a given. My goal is to end all religions. I want religious brainwashing of children to end globally. I want that all children have access to proper schools and good education.
You want to protect superstition. Lets list couple of things that might open your eyes: There are still people burned as witches.Hands and legs of albinos are chopped off for lucky charms.Baby girls are raped to cure aids.
@wayinoutreach : Genitals of little girls are systematically mutilated. Endangered species are killed to produce nonsense-viagra.
All this is done in the name of superstition. Should we perhaps fight against these practises? Can we do it with gods and religion? No, it just gives strenght to this kind of magical thinking. We need rationality, science, proper knowledge. No prayer, no gods, no nonsense.
@bary1234 The most ancient of societies had their gods that they worshipped. If there were no "spiritual realm", where did they get their god ideas. I suggest you study the origins of their religious beliefs to find your answer. Check out Nephilim, Annunaki, Annubis....Fallen angels. The is one God, the maker of ALL GOOD THINGS. These others were imposters which perverted mankind & we still suffer their effects today in such ways as you have pointed out. Research!!
@wayinoutreach : People are prone to superstition. We have pattern seeking brains that make up explanations for everything. We have very vivid imagination, its been essential to our survival as species.
Does this mean we should embrace our superstitions and just believe all shit anybody makes up? Hell no.
You were almost right when you said most gods were "imposters." You should have said they were made up. And that includes that last one you still have rattling around in your brain.Its a lie.
@bary1234 They weren't made up, they were they fallen angels & their offspring with human women. Your disbelief is to your detriment because they believe in you & their battle with God is for your soul.
Where did imagination come from & why use it exclusively for science?
If it is just a pattern seeking brain, then where did emotion come from, like compassion, empathy, fear, love, desire, saddness....? That governs your behavior more than any pattern that you brain can register.
@wayinoutreach : Again you resort to myths and folklore. Fictional stories and nonsense. You believe in stories invented by people. How the hell do you justify that? Do you believe in mormonism and scientology and islam and buddhism? And Harry Potter? They are all fictional stories invented by people.
Emotions are an beneficial evolutionary trade. We can see compassion and empathy on animals also. To survive as tribal species, compassion and empathy have been important. Hence we have them.
@bary1234 I believe in the God of the Bible as He has made Himself known to me through His Word & I look forward to seeing my Saviour & Lord Jesus Christ very very soon. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word & the Word was with God & the Word was God. 1 Cor. 18 "The message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved, it is the Power of God". So are you perishing????
@wayinoutreach : I know you believe. And by now you should know I dont believe. You cant threaten me in to believing like you do.
But we can talk about your imaginary friend if you like. You think I deserve to go to hell? That your god is fair when he tortures me for billions of years and then again for billions of years and then again for billions of years and then again for billions of years and then again for billions of years and then again for billions of years and forever after that?
@wayinoutreach In the view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognise, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what makes me really angry is that they quote me for support for such views. (The Expanded Quotable Einstein, Princeton University Press, p. 214)
Albert Einstein has been used by atheist to try & support their claims against God for years. Find another patsy!! Jesus Bless!!
@wayinoutreach : Imagine if Einstein had the knowledge about the cosmos we have today. He would have rejected his ridiculous superstition and just concentrate on reality.
@bary1234 Your reality is 3 dimensional & full of assumptions, half-truths, theories & outright false claims. Discovering more of the cosmos only makes an intelligent person more mindful of the intricate design that went into it & how everything stays right in it's place, to sustain life on this one little planet. By now, he might have wanted to actually meet the Maker. John 1:3 "All things were made by Him; & without Him was not anything made that was made." Einstein knew!! Low IQ????
@wayinoutreach . What stays in the right place in the cosmos? Its all winding down to a heat death. Andromeda galaxy is going to collide with our galaxy. Its going to mess us up completely. Meteors have killed all life from our planet atleast 4 times on earths history. Leaving only bacteria alive to start evolution again. It could happen again any day. We are the only species capable to attempt and stop that from happening if we spot the meteor on time. Thats your grand design? Of a buffoon?
@bary1234 2 Peter 3:10-11 "But the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night; in which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, & the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth & all the works that are therein shall be nurned up. Seeing that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in ALL HOLY CONVERSATION & GODLINESS". There won't even be bacteria left!!! The pollution in man's heart is far worse than the air or soil. Think!!!!
"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment."
Letter to M. Berkowitz, October 25, 1950; Einstein Archive 59-215
"I am a deeply religious nonbeliever.... This is a somewhat new kind of religion."
"primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment" That's the very definition of a law giver. One who follows a code of ethics for the betterment and ennoblement of life. One who ordains is one who intends on bettering and ennobling life itself.
@C0nc0rdance So scientific laws & principles to govern your thinking are ok with you, but the idea of an all knowing, all loving God putting down laws & principles for the betterment of society as a whole, is out of the question.
In other words, you are content to contribute, with limited understanding, to the demize of humanity. Our world is the way it is because of people like you, FREE thinkers who do as they please. Stop complaining about the way things are then & suck it up, you did it!!!
Sweden is also atheistic country, like whole scandinavia. According to CNN Finland is one of the 9 countries that will completely give up religion in near future. And according to Newsweek Finland has best quality of life, healt and education in the world. Thats what you get when superstition ends :)
@BELACSAMOHT : Ah, my favourite topic. This is an exellent example how religious indoctrination can wreck minds of children. Stalin went to a church school as a child. He was told bible-stories where gods answer to everything is to kill whole nations, or kill all life from whole planet. Even if he emerged from that madhouse as a self-proclaimed atheist his mind was obviously badly damaged. Perhaps his hatred towards churches started because priests molested him and other boys on the school.
Anecdotal evidence does not invalidate an atheist regime's genocide of 7 million people. I doubt you even have thorough verification on such evidence.
@BELACSAMOHT : Evidence, what the hell? You demand evidence? For something I said? Is it not enough I said it, you can read it from my comment?
Or do you mean similar evidence you have provided, like "go suck a dick."
Pol pot was also victim of catholic school as a child. Imagine that humiliation and pain being raped by priests through childhood, and all those lessons about god commanding genocide. Kill everybody,says god.
Another perfect example how religion poisons minds and creates monsters.
@BELACSAMOHT : You are asserting that Stalin and Pol Pot were not wrecked by religious pedophiles, and the only reason which you have provided was fallacious i.e. argumentum ex silentio, thereby entirely disregarding your position as such.
@bary1234 This crippling of individuals I consider the worst evil of capitalism. Our whole educational system suffers from this evil. An exaggerated competitive attitude is inculcated into the student, who is trained to worship acquisitive success as a preparation for his future career. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by a educational system which would be oriented toward social goals. AE.
@BELACSAMOHT : They believed in a god? Obviously they would have been feeble then.
On the other hand, those were the days when religious people still had power to kill anybody who they wanted, so it was important to atleast lie that you held the same beliefs.
They were pretty devout christians, and the implications you've just made by stating they are feeble are rather supercilious and ignorant. Both Euler and Newton were greater minds than Einstein, so if that tells you anything, it would tell you that the religious make greater and more elegant mathematicians.
@BELACSAMOHT : Nonsense. Religion is superstition. Belief in gods and supernatural with zero evidence. Superstition does not make greater anything, it just slows and blocks progress and research. Newton could have done so much more, but he said eventually goddidit and gave up. Later Pierre Laplac finished some of Newtons work, wich Newton gave up because he left room for god. If Newton only would not have had that superstitious baggage, he could have done so much more.
Your point? It was Newton's prerogative whether or not to discontinue his work on mathematics, and for you to discredit him for exercising his volition inspires indignation of you. In fact, Newton's works were so intuitive that they could have been easily continued, which furthers his brilliance. Furthermore, I'm not arguing for religion, but those, mainly dogmatists, such as yourself, discredit and scoff brilliant minds that followed a theological doctrine. Go suck a dick, commie.
@BELACSAMOHT : It was newtons superstition that stopped him from studying further. He stopped because he decided god does the rest. Thats what superstition does, its stoppes thinking.
@BELACSAMOHT : And again, Newton might have been the most intelligent person that ever lived. If only he did not have superstition holding him back he would have achieved so much more. Did you know he wasted lots of time studying alchemy and occultism? Superstition wasted years of his time, and critically held back his research.
"And again, Newton might have been the most intelligent person that ever lived. If only he did not have superstition holding him back he would have achieved so much more." Nope, quit postulating and assuming.
@BELACSAMOHT : Just look what he did in his life. You find him just ending research with goddidit. Research that somebody else later picks up and continues.
When Napoleon asked Laplac why there was no mention of god on his works, Lapac answered: "I had no need for that hypothesis." If Laplac had been held back by superstition he would not have continued and completed Newtons work.
And who is more famous for their work Laplace or Newton? Who contributed more to the entirety or mathematics Laplace or Newton? If you answer Laplace, you are dead wrong.
@BELACSAMOHT : Those who stand on shoulders of giants see futher. Should we all think the first cave-man who picked up a stone contributed most to the human race? Or first cave-man who braved to go near a fire and moved it to his cave?
Lot of Newtons inventions were simultaneously and independently discovered by other people. He was a brilliant man, but still just a man. If only he did not have medieval nonsense holding him back, who knows what he might have achieved.
He'd probably just ramble on about not believing in God, like you do. The whole shoulder of giants thing is done to death by the way, and makes it seem like you're spoon fed things, which you probably are. Furthermore, Newton was apart of the renaissance, not the medieval era.
@BELACSAMOHT : Off course he would. Opposing religions is automatical to all moral and good people. Its like school yard bullying or littering. There is absolutely no reason to tolerate harmfull and poisonous behaviour.
That same medieval nonsense that held back Newton is still holding back people today. We should propably call it bronze-age nonsense. Or even stone-age nonsense because humans have probably imagined things already on the caveman-times. Its high time we give up the fantasies.
@bary1234 And with the Power of God behind you, who knows what you might have achieved. Newton's brain was a gift from God & Newton knew it. God given gifts that others who were not God-minded & used them against humanity. Do you think the 1st atom bomb was in man's best interest? Do you think heat-seeking scud missles are in the best interest of humanity? How about the Aids virus made in a lab. was that in man's best interest. Unrestrained men made these! Diabolic aka Devilish!!!
@wayinoutreach : Yes, powers of gods would be great. Have you seen the movie with Jim Carrey? Funny stuff. Nonsense and fiction, but funny.
Atom bomb might help when we try to destroy the comet hurling towards earth. Heat seeking technology might be very usefull. Aids virus in a lab is a conspiracy-theory. Another example of our tendency to superstition.
But seriously, wars are a sad note on our history. We have learned plenty from them, but still they are a sad note.
@wayinoutreach : You so like to claim that all scientists are religious, and therefore your god is helping in their work. Do you think atom bomb was developed by Atheists? On all wars ever fought all sides have said god is on their side. Are all wars therefore religious wars?
"Oppenheimer was overeducated in those fields, which lie outside the scientific tradition, such as his interest in religion, in the Hindu religion in particular, which resulted in a feeling of mystery of the universe that surrounded him like a fog. He saw physics clearly, looking toward what had already been done, but at the border he tended to feel there was much more of the mysterious and novel than there actually was ... [he turned]....
@bary1234 Those are not my words you are saying, they are your own made up version. I am well aware that many scientists are not of faith simply because they felt the need to trade one for the other. However, the TRUE scientists who have researched with the ACCEPTANCE of God, have made far more sense of this world than those without. Go watch "Evolution facts Against" & "Irrational Philosophy Known as Atheism". Then come back & talk.
@wayinoutreach : So you are saying "go look at creationist propaganda, pseudoscience and lies." As if those bullshit-cannons could confuse me.
When ever a scientists says goddidit, thats the end of research right there. No reason to look further, no reason to think anymore. goddidit stops progress, stops research, stops thinking. And not just for the weak individual who uses it, they tend to try and stop others from studying same fields also. "I say goddidit, nobody may study this anymore."
@bary1234 You are already plenty confused & I wouldn't want to over-tax your limited capacity for a broader view, so have a nice life, since it's the only one you think you have.
@wayinoutreach : Yup, run away and pray. Parting advice: Dont teach your superstition to children. Let it die with you, so this world can be a brighter, happier place.
@wayinoutreach says the guy that believes in a omniscient being, we can argue all you want your "belief" is ultimately as strong as my "non-belief" , tho I can say my type have been killed throughought history by your type all because of this "belief"....now is that a good thing?
@stylesisdaman All our days are numbered. All the more reason to prepare to meet death with gladness!! A man can not freely LIVE until he is prepared to die!!! Remember that "religions" are man made other than the Jewish & those who put their faith in Jesus Christ are called Christians & we do as Christ did. God says, "you will know them by their fruits" & that "there are no murderers" in heaven. That should give you some comfort.
@wayinoutreach that still doesnt change the fact that it does not exist ...such as the easter bunny, the leprechauns, and red riding hood, you believe in a book that was written by a man that believes in a "all knowing" being...its not possible unless your concluding aliens live and so does the pink unicorns, i do not need comfort i know myself.
@stylesisdaman That's why it's called FREE WILL. Everyone makes their own choice & dies with it. If we're all wrong, that would make you the only one right??? That is the definition of insanity. Good luck with that!!!
@wayinoutreach insanity is believeing in things that are fictional, they have locked people up for thinking that in the past, we have free will no matter religion....id argue that you WITH religion have less free will than I do because you are TOLD a specific set of rules to obide by...
@stylesisdaman 1st, I don't serve religion, I serve God. 2nd, everyone is allotted the same amount of FREEWILL. God lays out what is the best for me & that is not necessarily everything I lay my eyes on. Everything of this world is for the vanity of man. As Christian's, we don't live for this world, we live for the Kingdom of Heaven. We are told that here we will have troubles, there, no more tears. While we live here, His Spirit is with us & guides us. No rules, that's common sense!!!
you cannot tell me that you have evidence that 100% proves a diety exists, you will babbel about some personal experience or some thing that was random coindence to point to proof that something does exist, but it doesnt. its sheer madness to believe such.....occams razor provides a better arguement
@stylesisdaman The FACT is that Jesus Himself could stand right in front of you with the holes in His hands & His feet, & you would still find a way to call Him a liar. Face the fact that YOU JUST DON'T WANT TO BELIEVE because it would inconvenience YOUR PLAN here. You will surly pay your price for YOUR CONVENIENCE later!!!
@wayinoutreach ok, comment #1, like i say again, proof...proof..proof...none? exactly..only a mad man would say he himself absolutely knows 100% what some all knowing entity has in store for him....im not calling anyone obsurd but you and a belief in a book that is merely written just like lil red riding hood. everyone has free will to do as they please, rape torture, pillage...and for you to believe makes you a better person than whom i may ask? oh i have that answer for you also..noone!!
@stylesisdaman Just because you live with such a mind of complete indecision on anything, doesn't mean that those who are firm in their beliefs are crazy, only that you are. If you want a real fake to look at, look to your own nation. Ha! HA! Ha! Corporation Nation!! How are you doing you little slave??? Give me proof that you are FREE. proof! proof! proof!! Liberties & freedoms that 1000s gave their lives for, just a joke!!! And you call me delusional! Ha! Ha! Ha!
@wayinoutreach i dont have to show you or prove anything to you, thats "how" free i am, circumcision is mutilation...and for it to be FORCED upon children just shows the delusion you serve as (all religion) is false i havent made any distinction ...you are all wrong
and for you to say hes historical...says whom? that fictional book? clearly you have made yourself to be the fool for following such nonsense
@wayinoutreach comment #2, the real fact is JESUS is not going to stand in front of me...prove he exists? thought not
the fact that i do not believe in your fairy tale makes you very upset!! i have no other plan than to say i think your full of shit, and im not going to have to pay any price because it simply does not exist!!
@stylesisdaman Jesus is a Historical Fact that doesn't need defending. You either accept who He is or not, that simple!! No more pearls for you. Find an argument elsewhere.!! Fool!!
@wayinoutreach comment #3, it takes a stronger man to admit he is wrong, and move on, as far as times i know nothing about....personally yes, BUT i read history..instead of some diluted concoction named "the bible" telling me the dead will live, and i should believe or die and live in hell...which i might add would be a great acid trip!!....get out of zombie movies man, back to reality please.
again ill say it...PROOF? none...ok now that we have that straight ill make a real post
@wayinoutreach ok...comment 4...i am against people that are for a belief that has a pretty nasty trek record, maybe you should look up some christian history instead of claiming to be one, genetle mutilation, feeding people to lions, and telling people to believe or go to hell is a rather steep hill to climb..with no PROOF,
you assert that this book says it...im asserting to throw your diluted fantasy out, however...i do have PROOF christianity has been the ulcer of mankind for a long time
@stylesisdaman Circumcision was done for cleanliness & a mark for the Jewish peoples' covenant with God. It was the Jewish people being fed to the lions by the Romans. Daniel was a Jew. Like I said you are very messed up. No more "pearls" for you!!! Fool!!
@wayinoutreach id seriously consider "belief" in ancient astronaught therory before i believed in a book that has never has any basis to be held as 100% true, its only true to crackpots and delusional retards
@wayinoutreach as far as proof....i dont need any to reject your delusional claims...seems your on the other end of the spectrum...see my point? your making "miraculus claims" as to something DEAD coming back!! im calling it bullshit, you make claims that ill be judged in an afterlife!! i yet again say bullshit, then you get mad and wonder why i think your a crackpot follower that likes the idea of something "looking" over him...reality check, nothing is there
@stylesisdaman If you don't think the Cross of Christ holds you together, go search "Laminin" which SCIENCE has proven holds everyone of your little cells together. Very interesting little strand!! It is man's disbelief that has been the ULCER on society. Go check out "Corporation Nation" & then come back & tell me how intelligent you are!! SLAVE!!!
@wayinoutreach says the slave to the biggest sham on earth!! the cross held nothing but a dead body of a man that will not come back IF it even happened...for all i know its not accountable only recited, for my nation...that has nothing to do with a diety and yet again your delusional, religion HAS been the ulcer on society..telling people what to believe, how to act, what to think, and if u dont call ALL the death over time a ulcer on society CAUSED by religious belief your mad truely mad
@wayinoutreach you have dismissed all that you say from here on out, back to trying to convert indians!! tho your in canada you better sit the fence and not make any country mad
@stylesisdaman CONVERT THE INDIANS????? What kind of drugs are you on???? You are all over the place you fool!!! Enough now!! I will spam you the next remark you make!!!!
@wayinoutreach The history of American religions is dominated by the presence of Christianity brought to the New World by European settlers. Columbus's discovery in 1492 marked the beginning of a massive "white" invasion that would consume the entire continent of North America over the next four centuries...
you christians KILLED the native american indian...prove history wrong!!
@wayinoutreach like i was saying, you have discredited yourself, spam all u want it cannot change history...is is historical FACT...christianity killed the native americans...if you say no we did not, you have already lost the case, matter a fact you lost this before you posted
@wayinoutreach you can not spam away REAL history, you have done nothing BUT site scripture from a fictional book, and claim to know the existance of a " theoretical" diety because a BOOK says for you to think so...
for me, as son as you post the first bit from the book, or in fact try to tell me that he did live...your clearly the one on drugs, post some history instead of insults.
@wayinoutreach Although Christianity manifested itself in countless denominations, it was, nevertheless, the umbrella under which most Europeans in America gathered. It served as common ground on which white settlers could stand together in the struggle for survival in the wilderness of the New World.
@wayinoutreach Whatever differences there were between denominations were insignificant when compared to the differences between the white European Christianity and their counterparts on the continent, the resident Native Americans. This fact, along with the desire and need for land, turned Native Americans into a convenient enemy for most groups of European settlers.
@wayinoutreach Within four hundred years of their first contact, the white man had succeeded in stripping Native American civilizations of virtually all of their land and had nearly wiped their cultures from the face of the earth.
SCIENCE FACT!! you cannot say its not, its proven, you sir spout off nonsense, you have made yourself the fool not I, and you cannot scilence the REAL facts!! your religion IS a ulcer on society, nothing more. it should be treated as such
@dlite922 well if you would read, i said im clearly an athiest...and if you would read more, clearly the biblical text states blasphomy of any type subjects that person to lakes of fire etc..whatever
an agnostic takes neither side...therefore technically he/she is athiest..as athist means what now you say?
@wayinoutreach here is something to ponder....if you think that we wouldnt know right from wrong and that it has to come from divinity....first....tell me of a right action or moral statment that a beliver can do or say...that a non-believer cannot...then
please think of a wicked action done, as a result of religious people
@wayinoutreach like i say, we can sit here all day, nothing is changing, the only thing i am CERTAIN of is your belief isnt real. because its based upon a book that was written by a MAN and not a god!! oh remember when they switched from the REAL orginal book, to the watered down version to make it OK for the new people that didnt believe in violence? check your history before you make a fool.......oh wait never mind too late
@wayinoutreach i can also tell you that tomorrow the sun will rise, the tide will come in and go out, the polar icecaps are melting...oh remember how religion use to believe the earth was flat? pwned, remember how they thought the earth was the center of the universe? pwned, remember how they didnt know a "big bang" until a REAL scientist came along? pwned...we shall see what comes but it looks like science will prove you wrong yet again in the future
@wayinoutreach oh YE of lil faith!! you got the plauges not from rats!! but by a all knowing fictional character that some book said was real!!
pwned!!
i rest my case, believe in the tooth fairy if you want, i refuse to because of occams razor, and mere common sense that most theologists lack apparently
you are correct...everyone DOES make their own choice and dies with it, as do i ...i have made some great and some not so great choices, and for you to impose that making choice is insane...sounds a bit like your on the attack is it not? ill sum it up with this.....
"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence."
@stylesisdaman The nation of Israel has stood in front of the world as a living testament to the Truth of the Bible. Everything that has been written about them has been fulfilled. If you read Revelation, you would see that all of that is also coming to pass as we speak. Get your head out of your test tube now & look around. By the time you find your soul exists, it will probably be to late, you will have already sold it to the devil. Jesus loves you & wishes none should perish!!
@wayinoutreach Just like typical thiests, insult and draw attention off of the real fact that you believe in a fictational character. the fact that mere coincidence exists does not make it true...show me one thing that is 100% varified that proves existance...you cant. now go back to your prayer, and let the real intellectuals do the thinking.
and no such notion points to existance of souls, as it does the easter bunny..now IF you have proof show it, if you dont take your own advise.
@wayinoutreach just like i stated earlier on, you would assert something coincidental to the fact that something exists. On Friday May 14, 1948 (the day in which the British Mandate over Palestine expired) the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel was signed by members of the National Council gathered at the Tel Aviv Museum, representing the Jewish community in the country and the Zionist movement abroad. It went into effect at midnight, Tel Aviv time.
@stylesisdaman There is nothing coincidental about Israel & you know it!! Their history is in the Bible, ALL THEIR HISTORY. You are a pathetic liar!!! Prov. 10:25 "As a whirl wind passeth, so it is the wicked no more: but the righteous is an everlasting foundation."
@wayinoutreach yet again quoting things out of a fictional book
It was while gliding through these latter waters that one serene and moonlight night, when all the waves rolled by like scrolls of silver --Chapter 51 moby dick
@wayinoutreach Zionism as a movement was purely political, and does not prove that a diety exists....just as i say moby dick was harpooned because of revenge motive for making a fool of ishmel, that in your context would technically become true due to the "Book" saying its true....well news flash, both books are written by a person, your book is no more special than lil red riding hood. both with GREAT meanings, but none the less still fiction.
@stylesisdaman Prov. 1:7 "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge :but fools despise wisdom & instruction." You show your ingnorance where the Bible is concerned. It was Jonah in the belly of the BIG FISH, no where does it say whale.
@wayinoutreach and i referred to moby dick...not the bible!! i do not refer to something that is incorrect in history and dictates for people to "believe" in. id rather believe in pink unicorns if that was the case
Methinks Belacsamoht finds Einstein's politics a little frightening. There is no strong evidence for the kind of condemnation he takes for granted just wild speculation. However when you listen to Einstein's brilliant assessment of what is important in life and how important others are to us, I hear a lot of things some would find frightening. After all he's refuting the it's all about ourselves attitude of modern times.The common way science denialists deal with this is to attack the scientist.
How is it wild speculation, exactly? Also, how am I a science denialist? I think you're the science denialist, based on how you revere Einstein indubitably, despite what little contribution he made.
@BELACSAMOHT I have yet to see you make the case for your contention. Einstein himself said that if he hadn't come up with the theory someone else would have in a few years. The pieces of the puzzle were there before him but who are you saying put the pieces together before him? in 1915 Hilbert's work was judged to have not to be covariant. In 1905 Poincare was still convinced of classical physics. Einstien stood on the shoulders of giants but he saw further. All the greats do.
"I have yet to see you make the case for your contention. " Refer back to the arguments prior. Lorentz transformation, perihelion procession of Mercury, et cetera, et cetera. Without the perihelion procession of Mercury, general relativity, the only thing Einstein "originated", would be considered anomalous.
@BELACSAMOHT Once again you don't make your case. Having read all your comments all I see is evidence that others had done a lot of the grunt work that allowed Einstein to make the big leap. All he did was correctly reimagine the universe. Not a work of mediocrity nor plagerism
Should others be more well known for their contributions? Yes. Einstein's words in this video say essentially that however the person who takes the big step that alters the paradigm will always get the lions share
Explain to me how was it a big leap? All he did was generalise newtonian geometry and special relativity, then connected them. Such little work does not equate to the amount of adulation which he receives. If others did the work, I wouldn't consider what he did a "big leap", as you put it. Furthermore, if you wish to find profoundity in its purest essence; I recommend reading Schopenhauer. On another note, how can you misspell plagerism, when Youtube has spell check?
@BELACSAMOHT said "how can you misspell plagerism,"
Seems you missed the spell check too and made a grammatical error in the same post. I understood what you meant in the original. I'm just not so pedantic as to worry about it that much. After all, it is just Youtube.
Of course if you've got a superiority complex you might worry about leaving such things as they are.
im catholic
OneDominican227 1 week ago
As an Atheist, I love the part about his religious beliefs and takes on god.
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@TheBadBizzle I couldn't fit this part in my last post but i really need to say this before i got missunderstood.
Neither I'm saying everyone with autism is gifted but I'm sure in those who are it did have an important part in that ability, it's all by chance for sure.. I guess this would be becasue the sometimes compensate dissabilitys imporving other working parts , just as with blind people.
Blazerelf 6 months ago
@TheBadBizzle maybe it can be true that just 5% of all autistics are gifted but at the same time when reffering specifically to savants half of all savants are autistics and the other have some kind of brain lession or problem; so i believe it can't be ignored that autism (specially) or other brain disorders do have a relation with gifted geniuses and not just a coincidence these gifted people we know had these mental diseases or disorders.
Blazerelf 6 months ago
how come this man never became president..!"
Blazerelf 6 months ago
@TheBadBizzle I provided two credible sources. I am sticking to expert diagnosis. Einstein was autistic. I'd link them if Youtube allowed it. You can find the sources by Google searching Einstein Autism. You'll get an article from the BBC and an article from New Scientist talking about this.
gamingguy90 7 months ago
Thank you for that.
mrbrownjeremy 7 months ago
@TheRyeguy123 You do realize that autistic people are generally geniuses in one area but are severely lacking in social skills and often don't do well in normal situations like school. That pretty much describes Einstein. If you just Google Einstein Autism, you'll get an article from the BBC and an article from New Scientist talking about this. I recommend doing some research next time before you just flat out dismiss a claim.
gamingguy90 8 months ago
@gamingguy90 I have aspergers and while I LOVE quantum physics I am nowhere near as brilliant as Einstein. I do believe he was autistic too though because in our social skills group the people running it named famous people who most likely had aspergers too and they mentioned Einstein... I wish I was genius like him so I can see exactly what he saw when he studied physics...
Aleksei5055 1 month ago
@BowToMySkill It's believed now that he was likely autistic, so there is that to consider.
gamingguy90 9 months ago
God reading some of the arguments on the comments section people can be so stupid did any of you's e even watch the video
frans1012 10 months ago
This is a great video. You have the right voice for my ears. I'm looking forward to many more.
preptimenow 10 months ago
amazing video. amazing man!
JBeezie428 10 months ago
To deny the existence of a god categorically is an exercise in futility.
we cannot and, indeed, should not know if there is a god.
Atheism is a good starting point, a blank slate from which to begin the liefelong search for god, the american dream, the meaning of life or whatever you want to call it.
Just don't make the mistake of letting you beliefs get tangled up in that urge to put a label on everything, once you trivialize your beliefs it's hard to set them free again.
Kerouac0deciple 10 months ago
@Kerouac0deciple
"we cannot and, indeed, should not know if there is a god."
"we cannot"
Is yet to be determined "should not know if there is a god"
I disagree strongly. If there is one
blkswimmer 10 months ago
@Kerouac0deciple We cannot know if there is a god so long as the religious continue to define god as something which cannot be known. And to say that we should not...Are you giving up that easily?
alabamamanable 10 months ago
Pfft, Niels Bohr was cooler, and a better scientist ;)
TheConcolor 10 months ago
@TheConcolor lol, einstein made bohr look like a fool in their debates.
Drgamedood 9 months ago
@Drgamedood You do realize that Bohr won every single one of those debates? And that this is one of the reasons why the Copenhagen-interpretation is the most widely used interpretation of quantum physics (rather than the missing variable-interpretation)?
TheConcolor 9 months ago
Thank you for sharing this.
SoFlyCee 10 months ago
... Humbling
Contevent 10 months ago
and for those that do not know REAL history, albert einstien was not a thiest nor an athiest, as he could not understand either radical viewpoints. he was agnostic, do your research before you post such nonsense or retoric....speak truth, not hear-say...no science is not 100% but its deffinitely better than a book that claims to know everything that was written in times that we know nothing, even if we do not know much....ultimately he chose the path of least resistance.
stylesisdaman 10 months ago
@stylesisdaman You said it!! WRITTEN IN TIMES THAT YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT! It takes a much stronger man to take a Bible in His hand & try to do the BEST with it that he can, than for someone to just scoff at it, claim it's not TRUTH & blunder through this life only adding to the depravity of it. Feed the evil or save souls!! There is no fence to sit on. Jesus said "If you are not for Me, you are against Me". Be an asset to the Kingdom of God or just be an ass. FREEWILL, YOUR CHOICE!!
wayinoutreach 10 months ago
But science can only be created by those who are thoroughly imbued with the aspiration toward truth and understanding. This source of feeling, however, springs from religion. To this, belongs the faith in the possibility that the regulations valid for existence are rational, that is, comprehensible to reason. I cannot conceive of a genuine scientist without that profound faith. By an image: science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind. (Albert Einstein, 1941)
wayinoutreach 10 months ago
@wayinoutreach : Thats just absurd. To do science man needs to have blind faith on supernatural with zero evidence? That is not right, and its prooven today. There a many Atheistic scientists, and millions of Atheists on all walks of life. All doing their share, living productive happy lives. Nonsense and superstition is fading from this world, religion will die out.
bary1234 10 months ago
Religions are for the feeble minds...
bary1234 10 months ago
@bary1234 Religion and scientism alike.
FreeVonHelton 10 months ago
@FreeVonHelton : There is no "scientism."
bary1234 10 months ago
@bary1234
Scientism refers to the dogmatism which is abundant within the scientific community. You are exhibit A.
BELACSAMOHT 10 months ago
@BELACSAMOHT: Like I said, there is no scientism. Nor is there dogma of science.
bary1234 10 months ago
@bary1234
You certainly fit the mould of one.
BELACSAMOHT 10 months ago
@BELACSAMOHT : Because I dont believe any shit you make up? Thats pretty much the difference between religious people and Atheists. Religious people believe in nonsense, just because somebody says its true.
But you off course have evidence for your god, and evidence that scientists are dogmatic? You would not be just full of shit like every other creationist?
bary1234 10 months ago
@bary1234
You're guilty of argumentum ex silentio as well straw manning, and thus argumentation shall cease hitherto you are able to present an argument which is not dishonest and fallacious.
BELACSAMOHT 10 months ago
@BELACSAMOHT : Yes, you should run away now before your fantasy bubble pops. Thinking is dangerous, knowledge kills superstition.
bary1234 10 months ago
@bary1234
What fantasy bubble? I believe no such theological doctrines, but I moreover don't think an argumentum ex silentio is convincing enough to make one an atheist, at least to anyone that has sense.
BELACSAMOHT 10 months ago
@BELACSAMOHT You are trying to use argument from silence to create an improper shifting of the burden of proof. Again you are the one making the outrageous claims, and since you can provide no evidence your claims can be rejected without evidence.
bary1234 10 months ago
@bary1234
Nope, I'm telling you that your argument is fallcious. Furthermore, this is not a court of law, thereby the legal form of burden of proof is inapplicable, yet the philosophic burden of proof is, which entails the following; The philosophic burden of proof is the obligation on a party in an epistemic dispute to provide sufficient warrant for their position. Essentially, that there is an implicit burden of proof on the person asserting a claim....
BELACSAMOHT 10 months ago
@BELACSAMOHT : Are you still trying to get to the shockofgod-"challenge" with this? "Give me proof and evidence that Atheism is accurate and correct?" :)
Has that asshat not been refuted enough yet?
bary1234 10 months ago
@bary1234
I don't know how I can say it more explicitly; I'm not a Christian. Shock of God's question is prolix and redundant, though not invalid.
BELACSAMOHT 10 months ago
@BELACSAMOHT : Yet you still have a superstition. So wich one did you get from your parents on this global lottery of religions?
And yes, shocks question is invalid. Celestial teapot. Do you believe in it? Off course not. Can you disprove it? No chance. Should the ownage be on you to disprove it? No way in hell.
bary1234 10 months ago
@bary1234
You are asserting that God does not exist, and the only reason which you have provided was fallacious i.e. argumentum ex silentio, thereby entirely disregarding your position as such.
BELACSAMOHT 10 months ago
@bary1234 Then there are the fanatical atheists whose intolerance is the same as that of the religious fanatics, and it springs from the same source . . . They are creatures who can't hear the music of the spheres. (The Expanded Quotable Einstein, Princeton University Press, 2000 p. 214) When the answer is simple, God is speaking.(Albert Einstein)
wayinoutreach 10 months ago
@wayinoutreach : Intolerance of useless superstition? Defenately, thats a given. My goal is to end all religions. I want religious brainwashing of children to end globally. I want that all children have access to proper schools and good education.
You want to protect superstition. Lets list couple of things that might open your eyes: There are still people burned as witches.Hands and legs of albinos are chopped off for lucky charms.Baby girls are raped to cure aids.
bary1234 10 months ago
@wayinoutreach : Genitals of little girls are systematically mutilated. Endangered species are killed to produce nonsense-viagra.
All this is done in the name of superstition. Should we perhaps fight against these practises? Can we do it with gods and religion? No, it just gives strenght to this kind of magical thinking. We need rationality, science, proper knowledge. No prayer, no gods, no nonsense.
bary1234 10 months ago
@bary1234 The most ancient of societies had their gods that they worshipped. If there were no "spiritual realm", where did they get their god ideas. I suggest you study the origins of their religious beliefs to find your answer. Check out Nephilim, Annunaki, Annubis....Fallen angels. The is one God, the maker of ALL GOOD THINGS. These others were imposters which perverted mankind & we still suffer their effects today in such ways as you have pointed out. Research!!
wayinoutreach 10 months ago
@wayinoutreach
It's called the brain.
BELACSAMOHT 10 months ago
@wayinoutreach : People are prone to superstition. We have pattern seeking brains that make up explanations for everything. We have very vivid imagination, its been essential to our survival as species.
Does this mean we should embrace our superstitions and just believe all shit anybody makes up? Hell no.
You were almost right when you said most gods were "imposters." You should have said they were made up. And that includes that last one you still have rattling around in your brain.Its a lie.
bary1234 10 months ago
@bary1234 They weren't made up, they were they fallen angels & their offspring with human women. Your disbelief is to your detriment because they believe in you & their battle with God is for your soul.
Where did imagination come from & why use it exclusively for science?
If it is just a pattern seeking brain, then where did emotion come from, like compassion, empathy, fear, love, desire, saddness....? That governs your behavior more than any pattern that you brain can register.
wayinoutreach 10 months ago
@wayinoutreach : Again you resort to myths and folklore. Fictional stories and nonsense. You believe in stories invented by people. How the hell do you justify that? Do you believe in mormonism and scientology and islam and buddhism? And Harry Potter? They are all fictional stories invented by people.
Emotions are an beneficial evolutionary trade. We can see compassion and empathy on animals also. To survive as tribal species, compassion and empathy have been important. Hence we have them.
bary1234 10 months ago
@bary1234 I believe in the God of the Bible as He has made Himself known to me through His Word & I look forward to seeing my Saviour & Lord Jesus Christ very very soon. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word & the Word was with God & the Word was God. 1 Cor. 18 "The message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved, it is the Power of God". So are you perishing????
wayinoutreach 10 months ago
@wayinoutreach : I know you believe. And by now you should know I dont believe. You cant threaten me in to believing like you do.
But we can talk about your imaginary friend if you like. You think I deserve to go to hell? That your god is fair when he tortures me for billions of years and then again for billions of years and then again for billions of years and then again for billions of years and then again for billions of years and then again for billions of years and forever after that?
bary1234 10 months ago
@wayinoutreach In the view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognise, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what makes me really angry is that they quote me for support for such views. (The Expanded Quotable Einstein, Princeton University Press, p. 214)
Albert Einstein has been used by atheist to try & support their claims against God for years. Find another patsy!! Jesus Bless!!
wayinoutreach 10 months ago
@wayinoutreach : Imagine if Einstein had the knowledge about the cosmos we have today. He would have rejected his ridiculous superstition and just concentrate on reality.
bary1234 10 months ago
@bary1234 Your reality is 3 dimensional & full of assumptions, half-truths, theories & outright false claims. Discovering more of the cosmos only makes an intelligent person more mindful of the intricate design that went into it & how everything stays right in it's place, to sustain life on this one little planet. By now, he might have wanted to actually meet the Maker. John 1:3 "All things were made by Him; & without Him was not anything made that was made." Einstein knew!! Low IQ????
wayinoutreach 10 months ago
@wayinoutreach . What stays in the right place in the cosmos? Its all winding down to a heat death. Andromeda galaxy is going to collide with our galaxy. Its going to mess us up completely. Meteors have killed all life from our planet atleast 4 times on earths history. Leaving only bacteria alive to start evolution again. It could happen again any day. We are the only species capable to attempt and stop that from happening if we spot the meteor on time. Thats your grand design? Of a buffoon?
bary1234 10 months ago
@bary1234 2 Peter 3:10-11 "But the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night; in which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, & the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth & all the works that are therein shall be nurned up. Seeing that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in ALL HOLY CONVERSATION & GODLINESS". There won't even be bacteria left!!! The pollution in man's heart is far worse than the air or soil. Think!!!!
wayinoutreach 10 months ago
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@wayinoutreach : I do think. Thats why I am an Atheist. You should try it yourself.
bary1234 10 months ago
@wayinoutreach
"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment."
Letter to M. Berkowitz, October 25, 1950; Einstein Archive 59-215
"I am a deeply religious nonbeliever.... This is a somewhat new kind of religion."
Letter to Hans Muehsam March 30, 1954
C0nc0rdance 10 months ago
@C0nc0rdance
"primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment" That's the very definition of a law giver. One who follows a code of ethics for the betterment and ennoblement of life. One who ordains is one who intends on bettering and ennobling life itself.
BELACSAMOHT 10 months ago
@C0nc0rdance So scientific laws & principles to govern your thinking are ok with you, but the idea of an all knowing, all loving God putting down laws & principles for the betterment of society as a whole, is out of the question.
In other words, you are content to contribute, with limited understanding, to the demize of humanity. Our world is the way it is because of people like you, FREE thinkers who do as they please. Stop complaining about the way things are then & suck it up, you did it!!!
wayinoutreach 10 months ago
@bary1234 Your delusional form of thinking is all but transparent to those of whom have not dwindled into it as well.
FreeVonHelton 10 months ago
@FreeVonHelton : So you dont have evidence. No surprise there. You just talk bullshit because thats all there is on your side of the argument.
bary1234 10 months ago
@bary1234
Finnish people suck.
You guys should try to be more like the swedes.
BELACSAMOHT 10 months ago
@BELACSAMOHT : I like Conan O'brien too :)
Sweden is also atheistic country, like whole scandinavia. According to CNN Finland is one of the 9 countries that will completely give up religion in near future. And according to Newsweek Finland has best quality of life, healt and education in the world. Thats what you get when superstition ends :)
bary1234 10 months ago
@bary1234
You also get Stalin killing 7 million Ukrainians.
BELACSAMOHT 10 months ago
@BELACSAMOHT : Ah, my favourite topic. This is an exellent example how religious indoctrination can wreck minds of children. Stalin went to a church school as a child. He was told bible-stories where gods answer to everything is to kill whole nations, or kill all life from whole planet. Even if he emerged from that madhouse as a self-proclaimed atheist his mind was obviously badly damaged. Perhaps his hatred towards churches started because priests molested him and other boys on the school.
bary1234 10 months ago
@bary1234
Anecdotal evidence does not invalidate an atheist regime's genocide of 7 million people. I doubt you even have thorough verification on such evidence.
BELACSAMOHT 10 months ago
@BELACSAMOHT : Evidence, what the hell? You demand evidence? For something I said? Is it not enough I said it, you can read it from my comment?
Or do you mean similar evidence you have provided, like "go suck a dick."
Pol pot was also victim of catholic school as a child. Imagine that humiliation and pain being raped by priests through childhood, and all those lessons about god commanding genocide. Kill everybody,says god.
Another perfect example how religion poisons minds and creates monsters.
bary1234 10 months ago
@bary1234
Again, anecdotal evidence.
BELACSAMOHT 10 months ago
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@BELACSAMOHT : You are asserting that Stalin and Pol Pot were not wrecked by religious pedophiles, and the only reason which you have provided was fallacious i.e. argumentum ex silentio, thereby entirely disregarding your position as such.
bary1234 10 months ago
@bary1234
Not to say that you are apart of the scientific community, but that you have similar views.
BELACSAMOHT 10 months ago
@bary1234 This crippling of individuals I consider the worst evil of capitalism. Our whole educational system suffers from this evil. An exaggerated competitive attitude is inculcated into the student, who is trained to worship acquisitive success as a preparation for his future career. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by a educational system which would be oriented toward social goals. AE.
wayinoutreach 10 months ago
@bary1234
So, Euler and Newton were feeble minds, were they?
BELACSAMOHT 10 months ago
@BELACSAMOHT : They believed in a god? Obviously they would have been feeble then.
On the other hand, those were the days when religious people still had power to kill anybody who they wanted, so it was important to atleast lie that you held the same beliefs.
bary1234 10 months ago
@bary1234
They were pretty devout christians, and the implications you've just made by stating they are feeble are rather supercilious and ignorant. Both Euler and Newton were greater minds than Einstein, so if that tells you anything, it would tell you that the religious make greater and more elegant mathematicians.
BELACSAMOHT 10 months ago
@BELACSAMOHT : Nonsense. Religion is superstition. Belief in gods and supernatural with zero evidence. Superstition does not make greater anything, it just slows and blocks progress and research. Newton could have done so much more, but he said eventually goddidit and gave up. Later Pierre Laplac finished some of Newtons work, wich Newton gave up because he left room for god. If Newton only would not have had that superstitious baggage, he could have done so much more.
bary1234 10 months ago
@bary1234
Your point? It was Newton's prerogative whether or not to discontinue his work on mathematics, and for you to discredit him for exercising his volition inspires indignation of you. In fact, Newton's works were so intuitive that they could have been easily continued, which furthers his brilliance. Furthermore, I'm not arguing for religion, but those, mainly dogmatists, such as yourself, discredit and scoff brilliant minds that followed a theological doctrine. Go suck a dick, commie.
BELACSAMOHT 10 months ago
@BELACSAMOHT
Some slight omissions and additions in order to refine diction; indignation.*...yourself, who....*
BELACSAMOHT 10 months ago
@BELACSAMOHT : It was newtons superstition that stopped him from studying further. He stopped because he decided god does the rest. Thats what superstition does, its stoppes thinking.
bary1234 10 months ago
@bary1234
Again, Newton's works were so elegant that they were able to be intuitively concluded, and by that notion, he is brilliant, unlike Einstein.
BELACSAMOHT 10 months ago
@BELACSAMOHT : And again, Newton might have been the most intelligent person that ever lived. If only he did not have superstition holding him back he would have achieved so much more. Did you know he wasted lots of time studying alchemy and occultism? Superstition wasted years of his time, and critically held back his research.
bary1234 10 months ago
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@bary1234
"And again, Newton might have been the most intelligent person that ever lived. If only he did not have superstition holding him back he would have achieved so much more." Nope, quit postulating and assuming.
BELACSAMOHT 10 months ago
@BELACSAMOHT : Just look what he did in his life. You find him just ending research with goddidit. Research that somebody else later picks up and continues.
When Napoleon asked Laplac why there was no mention of god on his works, Lapac answered: "I had no need for that hypothesis." If Laplac had been held back by superstition he would not have continued and completed Newtons work.
bary1234 10 months ago
@bary1234
And who is more famous for their work Laplace or Newton? Who contributed more to the entirety or mathematics Laplace or Newton? If you answer Laplace, you are dead wrong.
BELACSAMOHT 10 months ago
@BELACSAMOHT : Those who stand on shoulders of giants see futher. Should we all think the first cave-man who picked up a stone contributed most to the human race? Or first cave-man who braved to go near a fire and moved it to his cave?
Lot of Newtons inventions were simultaneously and independently discovered by other people. He was a brilliant man, but still just a man. If only he did not have medieval nonsense holding him back, who knows what he might have achieved.
bary1234 10 months ago
@bary1234
He'd probably just ramble on about not believing in God, like you do. The whole shoulder of giants thing is done to death by the way, and makes it seem like you're spoon fed things, which you probably are. Furthermore, Newton was apart of the renaissance, not the medieval era.
BELACSAMOHT 10 months ago
@BELACSAMOHT : Off course he would. Opposing religions is automatical to all moral and good people. Its like school yard bullying or littering. There is absolutely no reason to tolerate harmfull and poisonous behaviour.
That same medieval nonsense that held back Newton is still holding back people today. We should propably call it bronze-age nonsense. Or even stone-age nonsense because humans have probably imagined things already on the caveman-times. Its high time we give up the fantasies.
bary1234 10 months ago
@bary1234
"Automatical"....
BELACSAMOHT 10 months ago
@BELACSAMOHT : As in operating by itself; unintentional. Comes like breathing. Natural.
bary1234 10 months ago
@bary1234
It's automatically.
BELACSAMOHT 10 months ago
@BELACSAMOHT
Considering the context it's automatic.
BELACSAMOHT 10 months ago
@bary1234 And with the Power of God behind you, who knows what you might have achieved. Newton's brain was a gift from God & Newton knew it. God given gifts that others who were not God-minded & used them against humanity. Do you think the 1st atom bomb was in man's best interest? Do you think heat-seeking scud missles are in the best interest of humanity? How about the Aids virus made in a lab. was that in man's best interest. Unrestrained men made these! Diabolic aka Devilish!!!
wayinoutreach 10 months ago
@wayinoutreach : Yes, powers of gods would be great. Have you seen the movie with Jim Carrey? Funny stuff. Nonsense and fiction, but funny.
Atom bomb might help when we try to destroy the comet hurling towards earth. Heat seeking technology might be very usefull. Aids virus in a lab is a conspiracy-theory. Another example of our tendency to superstition.
But seriously, wars are a sad note on our history. We have learned plenty from them, but still they are a sad note.
bary1234 10 months ago
@wayinoutreach : You so like to claim that all scientists are religious, and therefore your god is helping in their work. Do you think atom bomb was developed by Atheists? On all wars ever fought all sides have said god is on their side. Are all wars therefore religious wars?
bary1234 10 months ago
@bary1234
"Oppenheimer was overeducated in those fields, which lie outside the scientific tradition, such as his interest in religion, in the Hindu religion in particular, which resulted in a feeling of mystery of the universe that surrounded him like a fog. He saw physics clearly, looking toward what had already been done, but at the border he tended to feel there was much more of the mysterious and novel than there actually was ... [he turned]....
BELACSAMOHT 10 months ago
@bary1234
"...away from the hard, crude methods of theoretical physics into a mystical realm of broad intuition."
BELACSAMOHT 10 months ago
No, war is a political endeavor, disguised speciously as religious, in some instances.
BELACSAMOHT 10 months ago
@BELACSAMOHT
In others it is blatantly political.
BELACSAMOHT 10 months ago
@bary1234 Those are not my words you are saying, they are your own made up version. I am well aware that many scientists are not of faith simply because they felt the need to trade one for the other. However, the TRUE scientists who have researched with the ACCEPTANCE of God, have made far more sense of this world than those without. Go watch "Evolution facts Against" & "Irrational Philosophy Known as Atheism". Then come back & talk.
wayinoutreach 10 months ago
@wayinoutreach : So you are saying "go look at creationist propaganda, pseudoscience and lies." As if those bullshit-cannons could confuse me.
When ever a scientists says goddidit, thats the end of research right there. No reason to look further, no reason to think anymore. goddidit stops progress, stops research, stops thinking. And not just for the weak individual who uses it, they tend to try and stop others from studying same fields also. "I say goddidit, nobody may study this anymore."
bary1234 10 months ago
@bary1234 You are already plenty confused & I wouldn't want to over-tax your limited capacity for a broader view, so have a nice life, since it's the only one you think you have.
wayinoutreach 10 months ago
@wayinoutreach : Yup, run away and pray. Parting advice: Dont teach your superstition to children. Let it die with you, so this world can be a brighter, happier place.
bary1234 10 months ago
@wayinoutreach says the guy that believes in a omniscient being, we can argue all you want your "belief" is ultimately as strong as my "non-belief" , tho I can say my type have been killed throughought history by your type all because of this "belief"....now is that a good thing?
stylesisdaman 10 months ago
@stylesisdaman All our days are numbered. All the more reason to prepare to meet death with gladness!! A man can not freely LIVE until he is prepared to die!!! Remember that "religions" are man made other than the Jewish & those who put their faith in Jesus Christ are called Christians & we do as Christ did. God says, "you will know them by their fruits" & that "there are no murderers" in heaven. That should give you some comfort.
wayinoutreach 10 months ago
@wayinoutreach that still doesnt change the fact that it does not exist ...such as the easter bunny, the leprechauns, and red riding hood, you believe in a book that was written by a man that believes in a "all knowing" being...its not possible unless your concluding aliens live and so does the pink unicorns, i do not need comfort i know myself.
stylesisdaman 10 months ago
@wayinoutreach either way m8, out of ALL the religions on earth someone is wrong clearly, im stating ALL of you are wrong. that is it
stylesisdaman 10 months ago
@stylesisdaman That's why it's called FREE WILL. Everyone makes their own choice & dies with it. If we're all wrong, that would make you the only one right??? That is the definition of insanity. Good luck with that!!!
wayinoutreach 10 months ago
@wayinoutreach insanity is believeing in things that are fictional, they have locked people up for thinking that in the past, we have free will no matter religion....id argue that you WITH religion have less free will than I do because you are TOLD a specific set of rules to obide by...
and that is not luck, that is common sense
stylesisdaman 10 months ago
@stylesisdaman 1st, I don't serve religion, I serve God. 2nd, everyone is allotted the same amount of FREEWILL. God lays out what is the best for me & that is not necessarily everything I lay my eyes on. Everything of this world is for the vanity of man. As Christian's, we don't live for this world, we live for the Kingdom of Heaven. We are told that here we will have troubles, there, no more tears. While we live here, His Spirit is with us & guides us. No rules, that's common sense!!!
wayinoutreach 10 months ago
you cannot tell me that you have evidence that 100% proves a diety exists, you will babbel about some personal experience or some thing that was random coindence to point to proof that something does exist, but it doesnt. its sheer madness to believe such.....occams razor provides a better arguement
stylesisdaman 10 months ago
@stylesisdaman The FACT is that Jesus Himself could stand right in front of you with the holes in His hands & His feet, & you would still find a way to call Him a liar. Face the fact that YOU JUST DON'T WANT TO BELIEVE because it would inconvenience YOUR PLAN here. You will surly pay your price for YOUR CONVENIENCE later!!!
wayinoutreach 10 months ago
@wayinoutreach ok, comment #1, like i say again, proof...proof..proof...none? exactly..only a mad man would say he himself absolutely knows 100% what some all knowing entity has in store for him....im not calling anyone obsurd but you and a belief in a book that is merely written just like lil red riding hood. everyone has free will to do as they please, rape torture, pillage...and for you to believe makes you a better person than whom i may ask? oh i have that answer for you also..noone!!
stylesisdaman 10 months ago
@stylesisdaman Just because you live with such a mind of complete indecision on anything, doesn't mean that those who are firm in their beliefs are crazy, only that you are. If you want a real fake to look at, look to your own nation. Ha! HA! Ha! Corporation Nation!! How are you doing you little slave??? Give me proof that you are FREE. proof! proof! proof!! Liberties & freedoms that 1000s gave their lives for, just a joke!!! And you call me delusional! Ha! Ha! Ha!
wayinoutreach 10 months ago
@wayinoutreach i dont have to show you or prove anything to you, thats "how" free i am, circumcision is mutilation...and for it to be FORCED upon children just shows the delusion you serve as (all religion) is false i havent made any distinction ...you are all wrong
and for you to say hes historical...says whom? that fictional book? clearly you have made yourself to be the fool for following such nonsense
stylesisdaman 10 months ago
@wayinoutreach comment #2, the real fact is JESUS is not going to stand in front of me...prove he exists? thought not
the fact that i do not believe in your fairy tale makes you very upset!! i have no other plan than to say i think your full of shit, and im not going to have to pay any price because it simply does not exist!!
ill say it again....PROOF?
stylesisdaman 10 months ago
@stylesisdaman Jesus is a Historical Fact that doesn't need defending. You either accept who He is or not, that simple!! No more pearls for you. Find an argument elsewhere.!! Fool!!
wayinoutreach 10 months ago
@wayinoutreach comment #3, it takes a stronger man to admit he is wrong, and move on, as far as times i know nothing about....personally yes, BUT i read history..instead of some diluted concoction named "the bible" telling me the dead will live, and i should believe or die and live in hell...which i might add would be a great acid trip!!....get out of zombie movies man, back to reality please.
again ill say it...PROOF? none...ok now that we have that straight ill make a real post
stylesisdaman 10 months ago
@wayinoutreach ok...comment 4...i am against people that are for a belief that has a pretty nasty trek record, maybe you should look up some christian history instead of claiming to be one, genetle mutilation, feeding people to lions, and telling people to believe or go to hell is a rather steep hill to climb..with no PROOF,
you assert that this book says it...im asserting to throw your diluted fantasy out, however...i do have PROOF christianity has been the ulcer of mankind for a long time
stylesisdaman 10 months ago
@stylesisdaman Circumcision was done for cleanliness & a mark for the Jewish peoples' covenant with God. It was the Jewish people being fed to the lions by the Romans. Daniel was a Jew. Like I said you are very messed up. No more "pearls" for you!!! Fool!!
wayinoutreach 10 months ago
@wayinoutreach id seriously consider "belief" in ancient astronaught therory before i believed in a book that has never has any basis to be held as 100% true, its only true to crackpots and delusional retards
stylesisdaman 10 months ago
@wayinoutreach as far as proof....i dont need any to reject your delusional claims...seems your on the other end of the spectrum...see my point? your making "miraculus claims" as to something DEAD coming back!! im calling it bullshit, you make claims that ill be judged in an afterlife!! i yet again say bullshit, then you get mad and wonder why i think your a crackpot follower that likes the idea of something "looking" over him...reality check, nothing is there
stylesisdaman 10 months ago
@stylesisdaman If you don't think the Cross of Christ holds you together, go search "Laminin" which SCIENCE has proven holds everyone of your little cells together. Very interesting little strand!! It is man's disbelief that has been the ULCER on society. Go check out "Corporation Nation" & then come back & tell me how intelligent you are!! SLAVE!!!
wayinoutreach 10 months ago
@wayinoutreach says the slave to the biggest sham on earth!! the cross held nothing but a dead body of a man that will not come back IF it even happened...for all i know its not accountable only recited, for my nation...that has nothing to do with a diety and yet again your delusional, religion HAS been the ulcer on society..telling people what to believe, how to act, what to think, and if u dont call ALL the death over time a ulcer on society CAUSED by religious belief your mad truely mad
stylesisdaman 10 months ago
@wayinoutreach you have dismissed all that you say from here on out, back to trying to convert indians!! tho your in canada you better sit the fence and not make any country mad
stylesisdaman 10 months ago
@stylesisdaman CONVERT THE INDIANS????? What kind of drugs are you on???? You are all over the place you fool!!! Enough now!! I will spam you the next remark you make!!!!
wayinoutreach 10 months ago
@wayinoutreach The history of American religions is dominated by the presence of Christianity brought to the New World by European settlers. Columbus's discovery in 1492 marked the beginning of a massive "white" invasion that would consume the entire continent of North America over the next four centuries...
you christians KILLED the native american indian...prove history wrong!!
stylesisdaman 10 months ago
@wayinoutreach like i was saying, you have discredited yourself, spam all u want it cannot change history...is is historical FACT...christianity killed the native americans...if you say no we did not, you have already lost the case, matter a fact you lost this before you posted
stylesisdaman 10 months ago
@wayinoutreach you can not spam away REAL history, you have done nothing BUT site scripture from a fictional book, and claim to know the existance of a " theoretical" diety because a BOOK says for you to think so...
for me, as son as you post the first bit from the book, or in fact try to tell me that he did live...your clearly the one on drugs, post some history instead of insults.
stylesisdaman 10 months ago
@wayinoutreach Although Christianity manifested itself in countless denominations, it was, nevertheless, the umbrella under which most Europeans in America gathered. It served as common ground on which white settlers could stand together in the struggle for survival in the wilderness of the New World.
stylesisdaman 10 months ago
@wayinoutreach Whatever differences there were between denominations were insignificant when compared to the differences between the white European Christianity and their counterparts on the continent, the resident Native Americans. This fact, along with the desire and need for land, turned Native Americans into a convenient enemy for most groups of European settlers.
HA, pwned again!! good day
stylesisdaman 10 months ago
@wayinoutreach Within four hundred years of their first contact, the white man had succeeded in stripping Native American civilizations of virtually all of their land and had nearly wiped their cultures from the face of the earth.
SCIENCE FACT!! you cannot say its not, its proven, you sir spout off nonsense, you have made yourself the fool not I, and you cannot scilence the REAL facts!! your religion IS a ulcer on society, nothing more. it should be treated as such
stylesisdaman 10 months ago
@wayinoutreach the funny thing is, this argument is taking place in the presence of an agnostic person LOL
dispite what alot of athiests or thiests say, einstine was agnostic not taking either side
stylesisdaman 10 months ago
How does your god feel about agnostics? better than atheists? :) how can you really , seriously, tell?
dlite922 10 months ago
@dlite922 well if you would read, i said im clearly an athiest...and if you would read more, clearly the biblical text states blasphomy of any type subjects that person to lakes of fire etc..whatever
an agnostic takes neither side...therefore technically he/she is athiest..as athist means what now you say?
and how can you not tell? seriously?
yet again the merry go round...have fun
stylesisdaman 10 months ago
@wayinoutreach here is something to ponder....if you think that we wouldnt know right from wrong and that it has to come from divinity....first....tell me of a right action or moral statment that a beliver can do or say...that a non-believer cannot...then
please think of a wicked action done, as a result of religious people
rest my case
stylesisdaman 10 months ago
@wayinoutreach like i say, we can sit here all day, nothing is changing, the only thing i am CERTAIN of is your belief isnt real. because its based upon a book that was written by a MAN and not a god!! oh remember when they switched from the REAL orginal book, to the watered down version to make it OK for the new people that didnt believe in violence? check your history before you make a fool.......oh wait never mind too late
good day :)
stylesisdaman 10 months ago
@wayinoutreach i can also tell you that tomorrow the sun will rise, the tide will come in and go out, the polar icecaps are melting...oh remember how religion use to believe the earth was flat? pwned, remember how they thought the earth was the center of the universe? pwned, remember how they didnt know a "big bang" until a REAL scientist came along? pwned...we shall see what comes but it looks like science will prove you wrong yet again in the future
stylesisdaman 10 months ago
@wayinoutreach oh YE of lil faith!! you got the plauges not from rats!! but by a all knowing fictional character that some book said was real!!
pwned!!
i rest my case, believe in the tooth fairy if you want, i refuse to because of occams razor, and mere common sense that most theologists lack apparently
stylesisdaman 10 months ago
you are correct...everyone DOES make their own choice and dies with it, as do i ...i have made some great and some not so great choices, and for you to impose that making choice is insane...sounds a bit like your on the attack is it not? ill sum it up with this.....
"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence."
— Christopher Hitchens
that is what im saying...good day
stylesisdaman 10 months ago
@stylesisdaman The nation of Israel has stood in front of the world as a living testament to the Truth of the Bible. Everything that has been written about them has been fulfilled. If you read Revelation, you would see that all of that is also coming to pass as we speak. Get your head out of your test tube now & look around. By the time you find your soul exists, it will probably be to late, you will have already sold it to the devil. Jesus loves you & wishes none should perish!!
wayinoutreach 10 months ago
@wayinoutreach Just like typical thiests, insult and draw attention off of the real fact that you believe in a fictational character. the fact that mere coincidence exists does not make it true...show me one thing that is 100% varified that proves existance...you cant. now go back to your prayer, and let the real intellectuals do the thinking.
and no such notion points to existance of souls, as it does the easter bunny..now IF you have proof show it, if you dont take your own advise.
stylesisdaman 10 months ago
@wayinoutreach just like i stated earlier on, you would assert something coincidental to the fact that something exists. On Friday May 14, 1948 (the day in which the British Mandate over Palestine expired) the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel was signed by members of the National Council gathered at the Tel Aviv Museum, representing the Jewish community in the country and the Zionist movement abroad. It went into effect at midnight, Tel Aviv time.
stylesisdaman 10 months ago
@stylesisdaman There is nothing coincidental about Israel & you know it!! Their history is in the Bible, ALL THEIR HISTORY. You are a pathetic liar!!! Prov. 10:25 "As a whirl wind passeth, so it is the wicked no more: but the righteous is an everlasting foundation."
wayinoutreach 10 months ago
@wayinoutreach yet again quoting things out of a fictional book
It was while gliding through these latter waters that one serene and moonlight night, when all the waves rolled by like scrolls of silver --Chapter 51 moby dick
i believe he seen a ufo!! oh no!!
stylesisdaman 10 months ago
@wayinoutreach sadly if you believe the bible is a true guage of history...you been sippin too much yak and need to go to bed
stylesisdaman 10 months ago
@wayinoutreach Zionism as a movement was purely political, and does not prove that a diety exists....just as i say moby dick was harpooned because of revenge motive for making a fool of ishmel, that in your context would technically become true due to the "Book" saying its true....well news flash, both books are written by a person, your book is no more special than lil red riding hood. both with GREAT meanings, but none the less still fiction.
stylesisdaman 10 months ago
@stylesisdaman Prov. 1:7 "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge :but fools despise wisdom & instruction." You show your ingnorance where the Bible is concerned. It was Jonah in the belly of the BIG FISH, no where does it say whale.
wayinoutreach 10 months ago
@wayinoutreach yet again reciting crap from a fictional book!! comon man, get some knowledge
ill leave you with this lil gem since obviously you cant debate worth a shit
youtube.com/watch?v=TYXTZwtp47Y
stylesisdaman 10 months ago
@wayinoutreach and i referred to moby dick...not the bible!! i do not refer to something that is incorrect in history and dictates for people to "believe" in. id rather believe in pink unicorns if that was the case
stylesisdaman 10 months ago
@bary1234 You're too simple minded to comprehend that religion's falsehood in no way validates your dogmatic beliefs.
FreeVonHelton 10 months ago
I'll be buying the book too
rugbyguy59 11 months ago
Methinks Belacsamoht finds Einstein's politics a little frightening. There is no strong evidence for the kind of condemnation he takes for granted just wild speculation. However when you listen to Einstein's brilliant assessment of what is important in life and how important others are to us, I hear a lot of things some would find frightening. After all he's refuting the it's all about ourselves attitude of modern times.The common way science denialists deal with this is to attack the scientist.
rugbyguy59 11 months ago
@rugbyguy59
How is it wild speculation, exactly? Also, how am I a science denialist? I think you're the science denialist, based on how you revere Einstein indubitably, despite what little contribution he made.
BELACSAMOHT 11 months ago
@BELACSAMOHT I have yet to see you make the case for your contention. Einstein himself said that if he hadn't come up with the theory someone else would have in a few years. The pieces of the puzzle were there before him but who are you saying put the pieces together before him? in 1915 Hilbert's work was judged to have not to be covariant. In 1905 Poincare was still convinced of classical physics. Einstien stood on the shoulders of giants but he saw further. All the greats do.
rugbyguy59 11 months ago 2
@rugbyguy59
"I have yet to see you make the case for your contention. " Refer back to the arguments prior. Lorentz transformation, perihelion procession of Mercury, et cetera, et cetera. Without the perihelion procession of Mercury, general relativity, the only thing Einstein "originated", would be considered anomalous.
BELACSAMOHT 11 months ago
@BELACSAMOHT Once again you don't make your case. Having read all your comments all I see is evidence that others had done a lot of the grunt work that allowed Einstein to make the big leap. All he did was correctly reimagine the universe. Not a work of mediocrity nor plagerism
Should others be more well known for their contributions? Yes. Einstein's words in this video say essentially that however the person who takes the big step that alters the paradigm will always get the lions share
rugbyguy59 11 months ago
@rugbyguy59
Explain to me how was it a big leap? All he did was generalise newtonian geometry and special relativity, then connected them. Such little work does not equate to the amount of adulation which he receives. If others did the work, I wouldn't consider what he did a "big leap", as you put it. Furthermore, if you wish to find profoundity in its purest essence; I recommend reading Schopenhauer. On another note, how can you misspell plagerism, when Youtube has spell check?
BELACSAMOHT 11 months ago
@BELACSAMOHT
How it was.*
BELACSAMOHT 11 months ago
@BELACSAMOHT
how can you spell it, erroneously, as plagerism.*
BELACSAMOHT 11 months ago
@BELACSAMOHT said "how can you misspell plagerism,"
Seems you missed the spell check too and made a grammatical error in the same post. I understood what you meant in the original. I'm just not so pedantic as to worry about it that much. After all, it is just Youtube.
Of course if you've got a superiority complex you might worry about leaving such things as they are.
rugbyguy59 11 months ago
@rugbyguy59
I should have placed the [sic] device after it.
BELACSAMOHT 11 months ago