this is amazing and these guys are both so beautiful and respectful of each other - i love the way bird smiles when coleman plays and coleman dances when bird plays... wow!
The first take watch?v=icgOSGyx3nM&feature=related shows Bird get up from his chair in front of Buddy Rich, walk over to where you see him sitting in this clip and watch Hawk intently and laugh at his attempt at playback. He almost has Hawk laughing too until someone off-camera makes Bird stop. Clearly they did the take over, but look at :25 and see how he still was having a laugh at Hawks expense and got it in the film.
this is another example of the world turning into turmoil.and youtube being corrupted by money . your about to search charlie parker but when yo get to charlie you see charlie sheen and charlie bit my finger
Hawkings and Parker are doing the same thing, but Parker has gone more extreme. Hawkins is extremely melodlic and respectful of the song. A few extra notes just lovingly placed, a gentle scale along the root note to bring us back. But Parker just tears it apart, drops it, man, and runs those scales and rhythm patterns, deconstructs those chords up and down the melody line, but maintaining the melody. That's good.. That's incredible. But sometimes, you just want song.
Thumbs up last comment for future references, please. The negative Bird comments should be cleared. He really respected Hawk. The info for my last post was from a BBC footage with extra camera footage on this made by Norman Granz. Granz even stated the Bird loved Hawk. So for those who can't sleep at night it was just him laughing at the miming. So thumbs up last post please :):)
For all you confused souls out there Bird in no way disrespects Hawkins. The audio for this video was recorded before the footage was even made. Thus, they are miming to the audio. Bird's amused reactions in this video was just him laughing at the fact that Hawkins is doing a terrible job miming to an improv. After the Bird cutoff at :34, he continues laughing but told to quit by producers. So those of you disturbed at Bird's 'disrespect' it's just all a misunderstanding. Bird rly diggs Hawks.
Watching this....Is Bird a little disrespectful here? I LOVE both of them, but I get the feeling he it cutting Coleman, who is sort of underplaying. Maybe something happened before they went on.... Great vid, of different styles. Brash youth pushing the old aside. Sort of like Sinatra did to Hope, who was in turn pushed aside by Elvis, etc ect Brilliant post.
Adoro in particolare Hawkins che per me è il massimo.Trovo significativo,oltre che stupendo, lo sguardo quasi pudico ma ammirato di Parker verso Coleman mentre suona,al pari del dondolare compiaciuto del tenorista quand'è il collega a suonare. Riconoscimento reciproco di due grandi che si riconoscono tali.Due giganti insomma !
I love Coleman Hawkins so much. His tenor sax speaks to me like no other instrument and for him and Mr. Parker to be together.....all I can say is that this is really great to me and thanks for posting. Peace
Music should be a form of expression...Bird played for the masses but went further. Musicians and music aficionados can appreciate and recognize. Top 40 doesn't represent the best music only the best liked for that week. Is there any reason Mozart died broke? They didn't realize until he was dead.
Bird is THE GREATEST, but Hawk was also an innovator on sax, developing his style in the 1920's. Though Bird, on first listening to this recording, it seems Parker totally leaves Hawk in the dust. It's hard to compare the great artistry of these guys with each other; totally different styles. Mr. Parker does still rule.
I'm a musician who recognizes the mastery, here. BUT...there's a sad paradox, and it rings true. The more complex the lines became, the more notes per measure, etc. - the more that the jazz cats were distancing themselves from the masses.
Like it or not, most people (hence most attention, money, etc.) like a memorable, simple tune. Whether you're talking Jazz masters or Classical masters - the more you evolve above and beyond the herd -the less you can count on being one of their faves.
@pyannaguy You are so right. The further you get from a melodic line that the average person can retain, the more you lose the audience.That why I think that
atonal music is something that some one tries to justify as music and it is just playing a bunch of random notes and calling it music. You could not do that if you talked jibberish so why play jibberish and call it music.
@pyannaguy Whoa -- distressing! Is Charlie Parker now regarded as "atonal" music? Self-indulgent? Random?
If so, that is a pretty self-indulgent point of view. Parker's melodic concept is deeply embedded in diatonic harmony, grounded in tradition, and astoundingly logical. What might disguise these things is his rhythmic approach, which is full of displacement, double-time, deceptive cadence, and so on.
Call it what you want -- it retains the power of surprise.
@slamiam The atonal reference was someone else's. I recognize Bird's brilliance, of course, but I think my point is valid: lots of Jazz is too cerebral, involved, Byzantine for the masses.
I double on tenor sax, for example, and I know, of course, that John Coltrane was an amazing, disciplined master. However, I can't fault those who listen with an open mind and still find some of his work almost unlistenable. It's hard to be utterly exceptional - and, at the same time - popular. Thoughts?
@pyannaguy Whoa -- distressing! Is Charlie Parker now regarded as "atonal" music? Self-indulgent? Random?
If so, that is a pretty self-indulgent point of view. Parker's melodic concept is deeply embedded in diatonic harmony, grounded in tradition, and astoundingly logical. What might disguise these things is his rhythmic approach, which is full of displacement, double-time, deceptive cadence, and so on.
Call it what you want -- it retains the power of surprise.
I wondered like all of you at first what they were thinking-they both are the best at what they do, and I believe they love each other. I think they hated sitting in that studio ,god knows how many takes they had interrupted by the sound guy, the light guy, the"producer"..etc. Those scenes aren't usually conducive to jazz-esp for these total artists of the art.
@mellodc AND: Just go to the club, set up your rercording shit, and leave the dudes alone! ....and they both still played their asses off-but they were thinking, "This lame thing ain't paying shit!"
@Nikoz7Makaveli Because he could play like no one else. He transferred the jazz language into be-bop, which sparked a revolution that continues today.
Did you see how Charlie was looking? He rolled his eyes-before he put out the cigarette and started his traditional smooth groove. In the other interludes, Bird doesn't look as if he's enjoying Coleman Hawkin's part, at all.
does anybody watching this video think that Charlies little smile and gesture towards Hawkins in the beginning of this video is disrespecful. I cant tell if hes doing it in a "im the shit this guy sounds like a clown" way or if its just his doing something, but to me the first one is more applicable
@chubbypuppys I wouldn't judge parker without knowing the context. Young innovators are often laughed at and ridiculed by the older crowd for years before they finally break through. I don't blame bird for being rude to such people.
@Diomedes22 Coleman Hawkins was definitely not part of the "older crowd" in style and innovation. He sympathized with new, young innovators. i personally think parker was simply showing off, i doubt there was any conflict of the sort you describe between the Hawk and Bird.
Loving the blues in this video - it's personal and musical. You can clearly see the mutual respect that they had for each other. Bean had such a personality in his playing, and Bird was just amazing. I mean, so technical, but simultaneously beautiful. I've learned a while ago that Bird wouldn't be Bird without Hawkins, Les Young, J Hodges and all the elders. I love that everything is connected, but everyone is also unique and personal. That's part of what makes the music interesting to me!
i love bird's solo in this recording. to be honest i think i've heard it a thousand times now, just from this video. but every time i like it even more.
Look... when we musicians are playing, we are not thinking about social under-pinnings of... whatever, the history of the experience of blackness and...., our people's struggle for..., ??? This is BS. Were thinking MUSIC. We let you all experience it as you may. We hope you enjoy the sound. If it makes you feel this way or that way, man, that's on you. I never sat on a bus seat next to Sweets or Benny Carter and heard talk about this stuff...LOL
otnas01. "central to a black musician is true identity"??? WTF? I've sat on a lot of bus seats and seats on planes with cats and no one talks about that or is concerned with that. They're concerned with paying the bills, with food, women... same stuff as anyone else. Maybe YOU have some blackness identity thing going on... cool. I hope you aren't one of those cats who talks about hearing the struggle of his people when listening to Miles... LOL
@laughingtiger123 What allowed Miles to play as he did was the fact that he was talking about paying the bills. His hour previous statement that the musicians you mentioned didn't have a social consciousness is unbelievable. Particularly Blakey. I hear the point you are making.
When I worked with George Benson, Woody Shaw, Benny Carter, Groove Holmes, Terrence Blanchard, Sonny Stitt, Jimmy Smith, Art Blakey, Blue Mitchell, Barry Harris, all of them... funny thing, none of them ever talked about "blackness" or afro-this or origins of jazz-that. They played. Other cats talked... philosophized.
which proves what? The one thing that is most central to a black Jazz musicians is the sense of true identity. It is one of the few things blacks can claim as their own. Sure many great white musicians have contributed but let's be realistic. If you think the musicians you mentioned do not entertain Afro-centric views or awareness, then I'm afraid you haven't got a clue what Jazz means to them.
Sorry whatisthescore, i will keep it as short as poss. blackness in a postiive and inspiring sense. the origins of jazz from the terrible slave history and the black experience where (amazingly through that divine thing called the human spirit) new musical forms ( of jazz et al) arose by black slave musicians, chanters, singers and sometimes the choirs developed new music expressing their experiences. new experiences enhanced the music using orchestral musical instruments, peace
Jazz is about more than slavery, although you can express blackness and slavery in it. Jazz is about the universe. People of all races play and contribute to jazz.
this series is classic jazz. these genius's keep mining when others have given up and show there is gold in these phrases, trill, scalings. they end up being the foundation for more songs, tunes, musical expressions, there blackness is the gateway to this uniquely american musical form. right on.
Ever heard of Tom Harrell? He's just as good as any black player alive today. If it makes you feel better to say black people own jazz and white people can't contribute, go ahead. But it isn't based off of fact. You guys should check out the book Lost Chords: White Musicians and Their Contributions to Jazz, 1919-1945 by Richard M. Sudhalter. Might do you some good!
Give me any black bari sax player who can play better than Gerry Mulligan. Just because whites couldn't contribute socially to the black community the way black jazz musicians could (although some of us would like to if we were allowed), doesn't mean whites couldn't contribute to jazz musically. Many many non-blacks contributed to jazz musically I take offense at what you're saying.
name any saxophonists who play like john coltrane, cannonball aderley, wayne shorter, kenny garrett, you can't, white players don't play like black players, its a fact and one the remains true to this day
@harbansjoeljr ok..easy STAN GETZ. or try STEVE GROSSMAN...ever heard of Dave Liebman? There's a video on here of Getz playing with Coltane go check it out, Getz is amazing.
Funny you say these things because I'm a white jazz musician. And, when I was at school I was ranked higher than a heck of a lot of blacks. Not to say there weren't some really good black people because there were, but race didn't matter. I wasn't copying black people either. I was just being myself and practiced really hard and was ranked higher than a lot of black guys. So it's kind of weird I'm so good at a style of music that's not for me
lol so what big deal, you were ranked higher then some blacks, you most likely have not been to new york where you would be eaten alive by the leading black players, I am a black jazz musician, doesn't prove shit until we hear each other play
@harbansjoeljr Why the hell do you think Miles Davis put Bill Evans in his group? Or why did Charlie Parker put Chet Baker in his group? Because they were the best. Not because they were white. Miles or Bird wouldn't have put those guys in their bands if there weren't the best. Period. I can't believe I'm even having this argument.
@Whatisthescore because he could exploit them lol all he did was take there tunes rip them to shreds then say bye, miles hated playing with bill evans and thats a known fact, the only white musician he had respect for was paul desmond, anybody was willing to work with the top guys for exposure and some guys took advantage of that, open your eyes dummy
@harbansjoeljr Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better..I can tell you're the type of guy who will only listen to black empowerment stuff. Pretty ignorant if you ask me. Go back to your Malcolm X speeches..lol
@harbansjoeljr Miles Davis - Kind Of Blue / Made In Heaven [pt I] Go to the video with that title. Skip to 4:55. Liebman talks about how much Miles was in love with Bill Evans's playing. You're idea that Miles hated playing with Bill Evans is entirely inaccurate.
Seems like this post has turned into a personal battleground between Samadjhi and whatisthescore. What does it matter who invented what. It's all good stuff RIGHT!
copsstolemywife it matters to the youth and uninformed people of color. You may or may not understand that.But it is empowering to know that your ethnic group and or descendants have made such a beautiful contribution to the universal community under the worst adverse situations. It gives them something and someone to emulate other than contrary role models. The history books that they are taught from does not include them. It is incumbent upon me to share info as it relates to them and myself.
alot of people were influenced by many things, thats just one case, shorter was influenced by his own being as well as spanish music, just because they incorporated those aspects of music in their own doesn't mean jazz is rooted in classical, it means those guys liked what they were doing, jazz at one point was rejected among white people and played mostly by blacks, then it in turn became music of resistance form people like charlie parker,joe henderson and sonny rollins, jazz is a black thing
@harbansjoeljr Those who twisted jazz into being a "black resistance thing" back then were being racist and ignorant considering how many people of other races consistently contributed to jazz even back in charlie parker's day. If anything I'd say blues is an inherently black music. Jazz is America. NOT BLACK.
your missing the bigger picture, Jazz was rejected by many rich white people! When miles played jazz he had to sit at the back of a bus, get treated like shit by the rich white restaraunt owners and many black faced that, they used jazz music to expose these issues, thats why its a black thing! no white jazz player can possibly contribute to jazz the way black people did because jazz is black, white people only followed the trends and got rich for being white, not for contributing
@harbansjoeljr You're an idiot. Have you ever heard of Bill Evans? Chet Baker? Bix Beiderbecke? Stan Getz? Gerry Mulligan? Are you saying those guys didn't contribute to jazz in the same way a blacks would? Give me a break. Got rich for being white? You're racist. It's ironic you stick up for jazz being a vessel to fight racism yet, right after would make severely racist statements. The whole black power thing was proven to be ignorant a long time ago. Give it up.
chick corea, chris potter, michael becker, bob berg, bill evans, bob mintzer, buddy rich, gene krupa, NHOP, joe pass, pat martino, joey defrancesco, bro lovano, george garzone, benny green, eric alexander, lennie tristano, lee koenitz, dave brubeck, paul desmond, red rodney, artie shaw, eddie daniels,
all white - all jazz innovators.
color doesn't matter. it's like saying football is black or tennis is white. or politics is orange or religion is purple. stop it. please.
@shed15625 Ia gree that maybe I have missed some great white palyers, but you cannot compare those dudes too john coltrane or shorter man, the mindset is too different, listen to a love supreme or adams apple from shorter then listen to those guys, they are talking about history in there music, a black history of struggle, rewards a bunch of different things then what I get from a white player
So then we're talking about opinions. It's not fair to shove your opinion down someone else's throat and try to pass it off as a fact. If you're touched by these records, that's wonderful. Personally I've listened to Love Supreme and Adam's Apple. Great albums.
The most inspirational album I've ever heard so far in my collection is Chris Potter's "Gratitude." Listen to it. It is quite deep.
Express your opinion freely, but don't impose it on others. White players have a lot to say too.
@shed15625 What sucks is I'm a white jazz musician and he's trying to tell me I don't belong in a black field of music..I always knew I would run into people like this but have rued the day..very discouraging.
@Whatisthescore Your no Jazz musician. You now not the history and you don't respect the predecessors if true Jazz musicians.. From a previous statement that you made you don't even recognize that the blues and jazz is the same thing.You need to shut up and listen. Tell me that next time you have a gig and where and I will be glad to come and listen.
@samadjhi i can't understand you.. no jazz and blues are not the same. blues is more related to african american people than jazz. jazz represents the melding of cultures in America.
@Whatisthescore jazz IS the blues. it's a genre that can be used to describe lots of musical forms that don't have that much in common. you ARE right in saying that it represents the melding of cultures in america though. I agree. Mostly it was whites taking what blacks had created and spinning it their way and calling it theirs too. quite unfair if you ask me.
@shed15625 you know huge ones we left out?? Jaco Pastorious and Joe Zawinul (not sure if he's considered white but he's not black and a giant!), and while we're going the slightly more latin route, how bout Antonio Carlos Jobim or Joao Gilberto?
@shed15625 The musicians you mentioned are impressive but innovators?They have done nothing that wasn't done before. Their contributions were minimal. All owe gratitude to the afro-american musicians that proceeded and created this music. At one time the afro-american muscians were ostracized by the white critics and establishment. For advancing and championing this thing we call Jazz.Those musicians you mentioned who did they emulate? Color doesn't matter but your experience does!
@samadjhi Chick Corea not an innovator? Bill Evans not an innovator? Jaco wasn't an innovator huh? Neither was Jobim? Their contributions were minimal? You are a racist. Its absolutely hypocritical to say these things and then at the end try to cover your racist footsteps by saying "color doesn't matter". Experiencing racism doesn't automatically make you an innovating jazz musician. White people have contributed quite a lot to jazz..but you're only going to listen to black supremacy...
So mister militantly racist samadhi, if Art Blakey says it has nothing to do with Africa, it has nothing to do with it. While I do admit Negro Spirituals and slave music contributed to jazz, European classical/opera music contributed in terms of harmony. Before the influence of Europe it wasn't jazz. Blacks don't own jazz, everybody does. By the way, you do sound rather saying "a certain ethnic group has a way of distorting the truth.." Go join the panthers or something.
From its early development until the present, jazz has incorporated music from 19th and 20th century American popular music.[1] Its West African pedigree is evident in its use of blue notes, improvisation, polyrhythms, syncopation, and the swung note[2] but one of jazz's iconic figures Art Blakey has been quoted as saying, "No America, no jazz. Ive seen people try to connect it to other countries, for instance to Africa, but it doesnt have a damn thing to do with Africa".
love this this is probably one of my all time favorite improvisation sections i mean come on you got Coleman Hawkins playing is tenor and then Parker just taking the show as he always did for he is truly the best saxophonist to ever walk this planet he is amazing this little piece of jazz history is able to be purchased in i really don't know which stores i personally got it from barn\es and nobles where it was like 30 $ and it had a lot more amazing things on it but i think that this just winns
Whatisthescore one of the problems you might have understanding what I am saying is your ignorance of Afro-American history. I am not going to provide a history lesson to prove a point. I will say this do your own research. You don't know what you are talking about and it is to easy to know. The origins of Jazz began at the point of entree of Black people and not just in this country but also the Caribbean.The sounds the slaves brought with them was from AFRICA. Not the Metro. opera.
@samadjhi no I'm sorry. Jazz wasn't jazz until it came to New Orleans. And, there certainly was a huge influence of European opera music on the early jazz musicians, frankly that's where it got it's intellect. It's not just a black music. Stop being so militant.
What does militancy have to do with what we are talking bout? I don't see the connection. Jazz is the evolutions component of what was then called Negro spirituals and the blues. Identity is important for kids of color because it is empowering. They need as much as they can get! Also a certain ethnic group has a way of distorting the truth and i am trying to be polite. This same group has a tendency of taking ownership of things that it doesn't own. Do your research and then get back to me.
@samadjhi I have done my research, I have degree in jazz performance from a very well known college. Just look at the first paragraph in wiki for Jazz:
Jazz is a musical form which originated at the beginning of the 20th century in African American communities in the Southern United States from a confluence of African and European music traditions.
I attempted to have a reasonable conversation with you and because I take a position favorable to Afro-Americans you interject radicalism? You don't know me. I don't need Wiki to provide a definition you do. I don't care what school you went to. Yes Europeans contributed to this music called Jazz. Jazz's origins are of and from Africa brought here by the slaves. In not just the US but any port of entry of the black man including South America.Lets just enjoy the music. Have a good life.
I just want to say one more thing. To everyone who appreciates and or contributes to this art form we call jazz i tip my hat. Everyone influences everyone. Whites and others have made positive contributions. but to say blacks created opera is like saying whites created Jazz
Hank Jones (piano) is still playing and playing well. I saw him with the Knoxville Jazz orchestra in 2005. There are plenty of youtube videos of him performing within the last year or so. He's a real treasure.
If you can play by ear! You shouldn't bother to look out for free sheet music!! Anyway to look at this stuff written down is ridiculous because it's from the soul and the instruments, not from some bloody paper!
Yeah, this is priceless. Hawkins is just blowing this cool beautiful stuff, nice, smooth and effortless and then Parker's like "HONK!" and then spins out the history of the universe for 16 bars. It's hard to imagine that the "HONK" wasn't a little competative psychological warfare on Bird's part. I know he had lots of respect for Hawkins but that didn't stop him from wanting to cut a motherfucker.
hawk the grandfather, charlie parker the crown prince, side by side, two masters of the alto and tenor, unrivalled and unequalled, the beethoven and mozart of their classical music which is jazz, and that's it, jazz belongeth to africa and it's men and women folk!!!!!!!!!xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
before anyone gets offended the "africa" thing was a joke I would assume. you have to admit almost all the great jazzers were black, but that is just because they were raised in this culture. you don't see many black classical players, classical music is big in europe, lots of white guys there, thus white classical players
other than the joke, you couldn't have said it any better my friend :)
no one owns jazz that last remark was kinda racist it came from america ,,,apart from hue masekela where are the great african jazzers ,,,keep it musicle not political
@mrhitmanisback I agree no one owns jazz but make no mistake about who created jazz, Jazz was created by Afro-Americans. It is a derivative of the blues and what was called at that time Negro spirituals. Jazz comes straight out of the cotton fields.
to be honest im not botherd its every bodys music black ppl have to stop living in the past ,like all the slavery shit 200 pluss years ago jazz isnt ownd by white or black it has evolved as a multicultural voice for us to converse with each other and understand
@mrhitmanisback I don't know what my statement has to do with slavery. I fail to see the connection. I agree the music belongs to everyone. As I stated to you privately its empowering to know that members of your ethnic group have made such a univesal contribution. It stimulates hope and a sense of pride. Our kids need that. America has been guility of taking ownership that doesn't belong to them. Regarding slavery you mention 200 plus years. Are you telling me that is when discrimination ended?
,,, if it wernt for americ jazz wouldnt of happend you think 5 men in say nigerea would of invented jazz slavery did,,,without slavery no spirituls or blues mate anyway im not american and i respect alll
@mrhitmanisback My friend this is the last that I will say. If spirituals are linked to the blues what is the blues linked too? It is linked to Africa. The musical sound that came from the slaves originated from Africa. This sound or rhythm that is straight out of Africa and has evolved in the sound that we call Jazz. Lets just enjoy the music.
Funny how the Parker stepped on the end of Hawkins's opening, played four thousand beautiful notes. Though he finished his solo by paying lip-service to Hawkins's soulful style, I can't imagine Hawkins felt great about that rendition. I've read that Parker was not univerally beloved by his fellow musicians.
yeah, parker seemed like he was somewhat condescending with his playing and expression, even if it was incredible. "ok old man you've had enough" and then hawkings was just like "fuck you dude i keep it real" weird dynamic. parker truly finds soul in his runs tho- the entire phrase playing the role that just a few notes might otherwise.
i like the part when bird stops colaman so he can play hes part.. thats legend
ruben30907 2 weeks ago
this is amazing and these guys are both so beautiful and respectful of each other - i love the way bird smiles when coleman plays and coleman dances when bird plays... wow!
dylanrcramer 1 month ago
Could someone direct me to a piano sheet of this song.
k9csm 1 month ago
O god charlie. If only I could play that.
randomstudios3 1 month ago
the voice of God....Charlie Parker!!
parker9977 1 month ago
Two giants sharing the same stage; terrific jazz at it's best
jazzpianoman01 2 months ago
1:01 zawnk, lol nice entrance
KevTheYoungMusicGeru 2 months ago 4
@KevTheYoungMusicGeru Haha... that's spelled out perfectly...
Beauxdeauxfinglok 1 month ago
He was laughing because Hawk was so obviously faking playing.
kingpleasure 2 months ago
This was mimed.
kingpleasure 2 months ago
The first take watch?v=icgOSGyx3nM&feature=related shows Bird get up from his chair in front of Buddy Rich, walk over to where you see him sitting in this clip and watch Hawk intently and laugh at his attempt at playback. He almost has Hawk laughing too until someone off-camera makes Bird stop. Clearly they did the take over, but look at :25 and see how he still was having a laugh at Hawks expense and got it in the film.
kingpleasure 2 months ago
Why can't I post to this video. All I get is an error message.
kingpleasure 2 months ago
This video explains what's really going on in this "clip"
watch?v=icgOSGyx3nM
fighterace0 3 months ago in playlist YouTube Mix for Charlie Parker
playback
FRINGOLINGO 3 months ago
i love how bird cuts hawkins off
jabobok786 4 months ago 4
this is another example of the world turning into turmoil.and youtube being corrupted by money . your about to search charlie parker but when yo get to charlie you see charlie sheen and charlie bit my finger
F*CK the 2005-11 go 1920's 1940's
wolfteamdragonforce 4 months ago in playlist YouTube Mix for Charlie Parker
putos a los que no les gusta esto no mamen
jhdksjhdl 4 months ago
look at hawkins' face at 1:24 hes like o shit im getting owned
altolax123 6 months ago
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altolax123 6 months ago
Great, but it's distorting.
lonhillyer 6 months ago in playlist allen ginsberg
My name is Charlie Parker, just sayin.
Chaz0851 6 months ago
Hawkings and Parker are doing the same thing, but Parker has gone more extreme. Hawkins is extremely melodlic and respectful of the song. A few extra notes just lovingly placed, a gentle scale along the root note to bring us back. But Parker just tears it apart, drops it, man, and runs those scales and rhythm patterns, deconstructs those chords up and down the melody line, but maintaining the melody. That's good.. That's incredible. But sometimes, you just want song.
PaulBourgeois 6 months ago
Muito bom
980rock 7 months ago
wow!! they are talking to each other on those sax's..look at the faces they are making as the other plays
AdamCharlton 7 months ago
bird reminds me of an cherubim
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Dfrankjazz 9 months ago
Thumbs down for comments asking for thumbs up. Charlie Parker should have more respect than to have videos with comment fights.
MichaelSchwartzJazz 9 months ago 4
Thumbs up last comment for future references, please. The negative Bird comments should be cleared. He really respected Hawk. The info for my last post was from a BBC footage with extra camera footage on this made by Norman Granz. Granz even stated the Bird loved Hawk. So for those who can't sleep at night it was just him laughing at the miming. So thumbs up last post please :):)
chucknorrisfanclub 9 months ago
For all you confused souls out there Bird in no way disrespects Hawkins. The audio for this video was recorded before the footage was even made. Thus, they are miming to the audio. Bird's amused reactions in this video was just him laughing at the fact that Hawkins is doing a terrible job miming to an improv. After the Bird cutoff at :34, he continues laughing but told to quit by producers. So those of you disturbed at Bird's 'disrespect' it's just all a misunderstanding. Bird rly diggs Hawks.
chucknorrisfanclub 9 months ago 4
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decus69 9 months ago
My cat likes this.
SuperDuperJes 9 months ago 2
Watching this....Is Bird a little disrespectful here? I LOVE both of them, but I get the feeling he it cutting Coleman, who is sort of underplaying. Maybe something happened before they went on.... Great vid, of different styles. Brash youth pushing the old aside. Sort of like Sinatra did to Hope, who was in turn pushed aside by Elvis, etc ect Brilliant post.
Toracube 9 months ago
I don't know if anyone knows, but I'm almost sure this was all mimed to a track.
willwelsh816 11 months ago
Adoro in particolare Hawkins che per me è il massimo.Trovo significativo,oltre che stupendo, lo sguardo quasi pudico ma ammirato di Parker verso Coleman mentre suona,al pari del dondolare compiaciuto del tenorista quand'è il collega a suonare. Riconoscimento reciproco di due grandi che si riconoscono tali.Due giganti insomma !
1947Rollo 11 months ago 2
I just had my first real orgasm.
viduayte 1 year ago 12
Parker began his solo well. Hawkins has been lost. The ballad has 16 bars
1976Giorgio 1 year ago
I love Coleman Hawkins so much. His tenor sax speaks to me like no other instrument and for him and Mr. Parker to be together.....all I can say is that this is really great to me and thanks for posting. Peace
9876543217303 1 year ago 4
Music should be a form of expression...Bird played for the masses but went further. Musicians and music aficionados can appreciate and recognize. Top 40 doesn't represent the best music only the best liked for that week. Is there any reason Mozart died broke? They didn't realize until he was dead.
bobbymobay 1 year ago
Bird is THE GREATEST, but Hawk was also an innovator on sax, developing his style in the 1920's. Though Bird, on first listening to this recording, it seems Parker totally leaves Hawk in the dust. It's hard to compare the great artistry of these guys with each other; totally different styles. Mr. Parker does still rule.
DickWhittington1000 1 year ago 2
Bird played for himself. He did his thing. He was an exclamation point. A bright candle that burned out in a flash. He wil last forever.
linricmiller 1 year ago
I'm a musician who recognizes the mastery, here. BUT...there's a sad paradox, and it rings true. The more complex the lines became, the more notes per measure, etc. - the more that the jazz cats were distancing themselves from the masses.
Like it or not, most people (hence most attention, money, etc.) like a memorable, simple tune. Whether you're talking Jazz masters or Classical masters - the more you evolve above and beyond the herd -the less you can count on being one of their faves.
pyannaguy 1 year ago
@pyannaguy ...and you wouldn't be watching this clip if Charlie Parker were not in it. Genius endures; crap does not.
slamiam 1 year ago
@slamiam I agree, but so many young people aren't even relating to instrumentalists, these days. It's hard to say how long anything will endure.
I know it's great; you know it's great, but do you think our numbers are growing? Hard to say...
pyannaguy 1 year ago
@pyannaguy You are so right. The further you get from a melodic line that the average person can retain, the more you lose the audience.That why I think that
atonal music is something that some one tries to justify as music and it is just playing a bunch of random notes and calling it music. You could not do that if you talked jibberish so why play jibberish and call it music.
foxybrown2 1 year ago
@foxybrown2 Will Rogers said that "An artist is the one thing a man can call himself that you can't prove he ain't."
The line between Art and self-indulgence is a hard one to locate sometimes.
pyannaguy 1 year ago
@pyannaguy Whoa -- distressing! Is Charlie Parker now regarded as "atonal" music? Self-indulgent? Random?
If so, that is a pretty self-indulgent point of view. Parker's melodic concept is deeply embedded in diatonic harmony, grounded in tradition, and astoundingly logical. What might disguise these things is his rhythmic approach, which is full of displacement, double-time, deceptive cadence, and so on.
Call it what you want -- it retains the power of surprise.
slamiam 1 year ago
@slamiam The atonal reference was someone else's. I recognize Bird's brilliance, of course, but I think my point is valid: lots of Jazz is too cerebral, involved, Byzantine for the masses.
I double on tenor sax, for example, and I know, of course, that John Coltrane was an amazing, disciplined master. However, I can't fault those who listen with an open mind and still find some of his work almost unlistenable. It's hard to be utterly exceptional - and, at the same time - popular. Thoughts?
pyannaguy 1 year ago
@pyannaguy Take from it what you want. Just leave the labels off.
slamiam 1 year ago
@pyannaguy Whoa -- distressing! Is Charlie Parker now regarded as "atonal" music? Self-indulgent? Random?
If so, that is a pretty self-indulgent point of view. Parker's melodic concept is deeply embedded in diatonic harmony, grounded in tradition, and astoundingly logical. What might disguise these things is his rhythmic approach, which is full of displacement, double-time, deceptive cadence, and so on.
Call it what you want -- it retains the power of surprise.
slamiam 1 year ago
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bagaitas 1 year ago
muhtesem..(wonderful)
kanats76 1 year ago
60 yrs on What a great clip of Music History, Sweet track, Thank you for posting this one. Thumbs up.
robbie69612 1 year ago
What is going on between these two giants ?
were they ever friends. Charlie seems to be taking the piss neatly
and checkout Colemans body language when Charlie kicks in
pharcelle1 1 year ago
M.u.s.i.c
Nikoz7Makaveli 1 year ago
I wondered like all of you at first what they were thinking-they both are the best at what they do, and I believe they love each other. I think they hated sitting in that studio ,god knows how many takes they had interrupted by the sound guy, the light guy, the"producer"..etc. Those scenes aren't usually conducive to jazz-esp for these total artists of the art.
mellodc 1 year ago
@mellodc AND: Just go to the club, set up your rercording shit, and leave the dudes alone! ....and they both still played their asses off-but they were thinking, "This lame thing ain't paying shit!"
mellodc 1 year ago
los ojos casi se cierrran, las cejas se levantan y las orejan bailan solas al escuchar...
metamorfika 1 year ago
I can only imagine how Bird rubbed people the wrong way. I wouldn't want to see him and Hodges on the same band stand! X(
ivanbro1011 1 year ago
GREAT !!!
profeso07 1 year ago 8
Bird was a mofo.
astroscorp2 1 year ago
why?
Nikoz7Makaveli 1 year ago
@Nikoz7Makaveli Because he could play like no one else. He transferred the jazz language into be-bop, which sparked a revolution that continues today.
astroscorp2 1 year ago
I wish I could play like Charlie Parker I play alto sax but not as good as him
OSCARSSK11 1 year ago
hahahaha parker you dick! hahaha he skwaks right in the middle of his line
icantquitTHEBLUES 1 year ago
OMG! :40.
Did you see how Charlie was looking? He rolled his eyes-before he put out the cigarette and started his traditional smooth groove. In the other interludes, Bird doesn't look as if he's enjoying Coleman Hawkin's part, at all.
CheckMate657879 1 year ago
MY GOD ! !
jsnale 1 year ago
Parker looks board when he's not playing.... Wonder if he was clean when they recorded this...
ourgreylove 1 year ago
does anybody watching this video think that Charlies little smile and gesture towards Hawkins in the beginning of this video is disrespecful. I cant tell if hes doing it in a "im the shit this guy sounds like a clown" way or if its just his doing something, but to me the first one is more applicable
chubbypuppys 1 year ago
@chubbypuppys i agree, it seemed rather disrepectful. but whatever.. haha
Evikeuklavier 1 year ago
@chubbypuppys
I wondered that myself when I saw that. Then it looks like Bird interupts him soloing and Bean is taken aback and somewhat pissed.
mjazzguitar 1 year ago
@mjazzguitar
butchmanson100 1 year ago
@chubbypuppys I wouldn't judge parker without knowing the context. Young innovators are often laughed at and ridiculed by the older crowd for years before they finally break through. I don't blame bird for being rude to such people.
Diomedes22 1 year ago
@Diomedes22 Coleman Hawkins was definitely not part of the "older crowd" in style and innovation. He sympathized with new, young innovators. i personally think parker was simply showing off, i doubt there was any conflict of the sort you describe between the Hawk and Bird.
TheJazzsaxophone 1 year ago
Loving the blues in this video - it's personal and musical. You can clearly see the mutual respect that they had for each other. Bean had such a personality in his playing, and Bird was just amazing. I mean, so technical, but simultaneously beautiful. I've learned a while ago that Bird wouldn't be Bird without Hawkins, Les Young, J Hodges and all the elders. I love that everything is connected, but everyone is also unique and personal. That's part of what makes the music interesting to me!
holygroove2 1 year ago 2
i love bird's solo in this recording. to be honest i think i've heard it a thousand times now, just from this video. but every time i like it even more.
atari729 1 year ago
Wow!the bird lives!Thanx for posting this!
kzam717 1 year ago
Look... when we musicians are playing, we are not thinking about social under-pinnings of... whatever, the history of the experience of blackness and...., our people's struggle for..., ??? This is BS. Were thinking MUSIC. We let you all experience it as you may. We hope you enjoy the sound. If it makes you feel this way or that way, man, that's on you. I never sat on a bus seat next to Sweets or Benny Carter and heard talk about this stuff...LOL
laughingtiger123 1 year ago
otnas01. "central to a black musician is true identity"??? WTF? I've sat on a lot of bus seats and seats on planes with cats and no one talks about that or is concerned with that. They're concerned with paying the bills, with food, women... same stuff as anyone else. Maybe YOU have some blackness identity thing going on... cool. I hope you aren't one of those cats who talks about hearing the struggle of his people when listening to Miles... LOL
laughingtiger123 1 year ago
@laughingtiger123 What allowed Miles to play as he did was the fact that he was talking about paying the bills. His hour previous statement that the musicians you mentioned didn't have a social consciousness is unbelievable. Particularly Blakey. I hear the point you are making.
samadjhi 1 year ago
the hawk and the bird... what a treat...Do notice the similarity of their tone, like rough sand paper...but beautiful...
callasexperience 1 year ago
rough tone because of camera quality
b010800 1 year ago
When I worked with George Benson, Woody Shaw, Benny Carter, Groove Holmes, Terrence Blanchard, Sonny Stitt, Jimmy Smith, Art Blakey, Blue Mitchell, Barry Harris, all of them... funny thing, none of them ever talked about "blackness" or afro-this or origins of jazz-that. They played. Other cats talked... philosophized.
laughingtiger123 1 year ago
which proves what? The one thing that is most central to a black Jazz musicians is the sense of true identity. It is one of the few things blacks can claim as their own. Sure many great white musicians have contributed but let's be realistic. If you think the musicians you mentioned do not entertain Afro-centric views or awareness, then I'm afraid you haven't got a clue what Jazz means to them.
otnas01 1 year ago
Great influence on young musicians in the world all races
razalatinaPeru 1 year ago 11
This just stirs my soul brother; Hawk and Bird sharing the same stage. What a tragic pity that bird had to die just 5 years later in 1955
jazzpianoman01 1 year ago
Sorry whatisthescore, i will keep it as short as poss. blackness in a postiive and inspiring sense. the origins of jazz from the terrible slave history and the black experience where (amazingly through that divine thing called the human spirit) new musical forms ( of jazz et al) arose by black slave musicians, chanters, singers and sometimes the choirs developed new music expressing their experiences. new experiences enhanced the music using orchestral musical instruments, peace
123clanger 1 year ago
Jazz is about more than slavery, although you can express blackness and slavery in it. Jazz is about the universe. People of all races play and contribute to jazz.
TheGoldrock1 1 year ago
parker like christian were first blues player..
callasexperience 1 year ago
Christian was just as much the first jazz (guitar) player than he was the first blues player.
fishqwer 1 year ago
this series is classic jazz. these genius's keep mining when others have given up and show there is gold in these phrases, trill, scalings. they end up being the foundation for more songs, tunes, musical expressions, there blackness is the gateway to this uniquely american musical form. right on.
123clanger 1 year ago
@123clanger why blackness?
Whatisthescore 1 year ago
@Whatisthescore because jazz like rock soul is an black art form
mjjcng8958 1 year ago
I love this sooooooooo much.
hombrequemiralaluna 1 year ago
Seriously man, you watched too much of the Cosby Show..
Whatisthescore 1 year ago
Ever heard of Tom Harrell? He's just as good as any black player alive today. If it makes you feel better to say black people own jazz and white people can't contribute, go ahead. But it isn't based off of fact. You guys should check out the book Lost Chords: White Musicians and Their Contributions to Jazz, 1919-1945 by Richard M. Sudhalter. Might do you some good!
Whatisthescore 1 year ago
Coleman hawkins didn't get the respect of his peers in the 50's which is a damn shame. Time has shown how wrong they were.
ASSEMblerEX 1 year ago
enjoy the music you bastards... black, white... its music., maybe you don't play or enjoy, thats why you talk shit...
gibrandogg 1 year ago
Give me any black bari sax player who can play better than Gerry Mulligan. Just because whites couldn't contribute socially to the black community the way black jazz musicians could (although some of us would like to if we were allowed), doesn't mean whites couldn't contribute to jazz musically. Many many non-blacks contributed to jazz musically I take offense at what you're saying.
Whatisthescore 1 year ago
@Whatisthescore Harry Carney
samadjhi 1 year ago
@samadjhi Harry Carney has nothing on Gerry Mulligan.
Whatisthescore 1 year ago
name any saxophonists who play like john coltrane, cannonball aderley, wayne shorter, kenny garrett, you can't, white players don't play like black players, its a fact and one the remains true to this day
harbansjoeljr 1 year ago
@harbansjoeljr ok..easy STAN GETZ. or try STEVE GROSSMAN...ever heard of Dave Liebman? There's a video on here of Getz playing with Coltane go check it out, Getz is amazing.
Whatisthescore 1 year ago
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Whatisthescore 1 year ago
Funny you say these things because I'm a white jazz musician. And, when I was at school I was ranked higher than a heck of a lot of blacks. Not to say there weren't some really good black people because there were, but race didn't matter. I wasn't copying black people either. I was just being myself and practiced really hard and was ranked higher than a lot of black guys. So it's kind of weird I'm so good at a style of music that's not for me
;)
Whatisthescore 1 year ago
lol so what big deal, you were ranked higher then some blacks, you most likely have not been to new york where you would be eaten alive by the leading black players, I am a black jazz musician, doesn't prove shit until we hear each other play
harbansjoeljr 1 year ago
@harbansjoeljr man you're a racist!
Whatisthescore 1 year ago
no your just a mislead idiot who thinks they know something about music, go back and listen to some more recordings
harbansjoeljr 1 year ago
@harbansjoeljr I've listened to millions of recordings jackass. Race doesn't matter.
Whatisthescore 1 year ago
@harbansjoeljr Why the hell do you think Miles Davis put Bill Evans in his group? Or why did Charlie Parker put Chet Baker in his group? Because they were the best. Not because they were white. Miles or Bird wouldn't have put those guys in their bands if there weren't the best. Period. I can't believe I'm even having this argument.
Whatisthescore 1 year ago
@Whatisthescore because he could exploit them lol all he did was take there tunes rip them to shreds then say bye, miles hated playing with bill evans and thats a known fact, the only white musician he had respect for was paul desmond, anybody was willing to work with the top guys for exposure and some guys took advantage of that, open your eyes dummy
harbansjoeljr 1 year ago
@harbansjoeljr Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better..I can tell you're the type of guy who will only listen to black empowerment stuff. Pretty ignorant if you ask me. Go back to your Malcolm X speeches..lol
Whatisthescore 1 year ago
@Whatisthescore You are a idiot!! A complete maron
samadjhi 1 year ago
@samadjhi You're right, a complete maron!
Whatisthescore 1 year ago
@harbansjoeljr Miles Davis - Kind Of Blue / Made In Heaven [pt I] Go to the video with that title. Skip to 4:55. Liebman talks about how much Miles was in love with Bill Evans's playing. You're idea that Miles hated playing with Bill Evans is entirely inaccurate.
Whatisthescore 1 year ago
ufff... it's just good music.. do you guys got to fight?
dandres73 2 years ago
there they go,them dumb people arguing online again.. idiots. nothing better to do..shut up and enjoy the damn music.
benjacho79 2 years ago
Seems like this post has turned into a personal battleground between Samadjhi and whatisthescore. What does it matter who invented what. It's all good stuff RIGHT!
copstolemywife 2 years ago
copsstolemywife it matters to the youth and uninformed people of color. You may or may not understand that.But it is empowering to know that your ethnic group and or descendants have made such a beautiful contribution to the universal community under the worst adverse situations. It gives them something and someone to emulate other than contrary role models. The history books that they are taught from does not include them. It is incumbent upon me to share info as it relates to them and myself.
samadjhi 2 years ago
All those chords you hear Parker outlining (if you know anything about harmony) are from European classical music. Not negro spirituals.
Whatisthescore 2 years ago
@Whatisthescore lol where the hell did you get that idea from!?
harbansjoeljr 1 year ago
@harbansjoeljr from the history of jazz..Ellington for example was highly influenced by opera and such.
Whatisthescore 1 year ago
alot of people were influenced by many things, thats just one case, shorter was influenced by his own being as well as spanish music, just because they incorporated those aspects of music in their own doesn't mean jazz is rooted in classical, it means those guys liked what they were doing, jazz at one point was rejected among white people and played mostly by blacks, then it in turn became music of resistance form people like charlie parker,joe henderson and sonny rollins, jazz is a black thing
harbansjoeljr 1 year ago
@harbansjoeljr Those who twisted jazz into being a "black resistance thing" back then were being racist and ignorant considering how many people of other races consistently contributed to jazz even back in charlie parker's day. If anything I'd say blues is an inherently black music. Jazz is America. NOT BLACK.
Whatisthescore 1 year ago
your missing the bigger picture, Jazz was rejected by many rich white people! When miles played jazz he had to sit at the back of a bus, get treated like shit by the rich white restaraunt owners and many black faced that, they used jazz music to expose these issues, thats why its a black thing! no white jazz player can possibly contribute to jazz the way black people did because jazz is black, white people only followed the trends and got rich for being white, not for contributing
harbansjoeljr 1 year ago
@harbansjoeljr You're an idiot. Have you ever heard of Bill Evans? Chet Baker? Bix Beiderbecke? Stan Getz? Gerry Mulligan? Are you saying those guys didn't contribute to jazz in the same way a blacks would? Give me a break. Got rich for being white? You're racist. It's ironic you stick up for jazz being a vessel to fight racism yet, right after would make severely racist statements. The whole black power thing was proven to be ignorant a long time ago. Give it up.
Whatisthescore 1 year ago
chick corea, chris potter, michael becker, bob berg, bill evans, bob mintzer, buddy rich, gene krupa, NHOP, joe pass, pat martino, joey defrancesco, bro lovano, george garzone, benny green, eric alexander, lennie tristano, lee koenitz, dave brubeck, paul desmond, red rodney, artie shaw, eddie daniels,
all white - all jazz innovators.
color doesn't matter. it's like saying football is black or tennis is white. or politics is orange or religion is purple. stop it. please.
shed15625 1 year ago
@shed15625 Ia gree that maybe I have missed some great white palyers, but you cannot compare those dudes too john coltrane or shorter man, the mindset is too different, listen to a love supreme or adams apple from shorter then listen to those guys, they are talking about history in there music, a black history of struggle, rewards a bunch of different things then what I get from a white player
harbansjoeljr 1 year ago
So then we're talking about opinions. It's not fair to shove your opinion down someone else's throat and try to pass it off as a fact. If you're touched by these records, that's wonderful. Personally I've listened to Love Supreme and Adam's Apple. Great albums.
The most inspirational album I've ever heard so far in my collection is Chris Potter's "Gratitude." Listen to it. It is quite deep.
Express your opinion freely, but don't impose it on others. White players have a lot to say too.
shed15625 1 year ago
@shed15625 What sucks is I'm a white jazz musician and he's trying to tell me I don't belong in a black field of music..I always knew I would run into people like this but have rued the day..very discouraging.
Whatisthescore 1 year ago
@Whatisthescore Your no Jazz musician. You now not the history and you don't respect the predecessors if true Jazz musicians.. From a previous statement that you made you don't even recognize that the blues and jazz is the same thing.You need to shut up and listen. Tell me that next time you have a gig and where and I will be glad to come and listen.
samadjhi 1 year ago
@samadjhi i can't understand you.. no jazz and blues are not the same. blues is more related to african american people than jazz. jazz represents the melding of cultures in America.
Whatisthescore 1 year ago
@Whatisthescore jazz IS the blues. it's a genre that can be used to describe lots of musical forms that don't have that much in common. you ARE right in saying that it represents the melding of cultures in america though. I agree. Mostly it was whites taking what blacks had created and spinning it their way and calling it theirs too. quite unfair if you ask me.
ivanbro1011 1 year ago
@shed15625 you know huge ones we left out?? Jaco Pastorious and Joe Zawinul (not sure if he's considered white but he's not black and a giant!), and while we're going the slightly more latin route, how bout Antonio Carlos Jobim or Joao Gilberto?
Whatisthescore 1 year ago
@shed15625 The musicians you mentioned are impressive but innovators?They have done nothing that wasn't done before. Their contributions were minimal. All owe gratitude to the afro-american musicians that proceeded and created this music. At one time the afro-american muscians were ostracized by the white critics and establishment. For advancing and championing this thing we call Jazz.Those musicians you mentioned who did they emulate? Color doesn't matter but your experience does!
samadjhi 1 year ago
@samadjhi Chick Corea not an innovator? Bill Evans not an innovator? Jaco wasn't an innovator huh? Neither was Jobim? Their contributions were minimal? You are a racist. Its absolutely hypocritical to say these things and then at the end try to cover your racist footsteps by saying "color doesn't matter". Experiencing racism doesn't automatically make you an innovating jazz musician. White people have contributed quite a lot to jazz..but you're only going to listen to black supremacy...
Whatisthescore 1 year ago
@samadjhi According to you experiencing racism is a qualification to be a jazz musician..well looks like I'm a real jazz musician now!
Whatisthescore 1 year ago
Dave Brubeck - first hit single in an odd meter
Michael Brecker - Pioneered Electronic Wind Instruments and synthesizers into jazz
Gene Krupa - First well-known big band drummer to inspire others such as Tony Williams and Philly Joe Jones
Stan Getz - integrated Jobim's Bossa Nova into jazz improvisation
NHOP - fastest clean bassist to ever walk the planet.
Should I keep going?
shed15625 1 year ago
@Whatisthescore You dont know what you are talking about.
samadjhi 1 year ago
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@samadjhi you're a racist too!
Whatisthescore 1 year ago
So mister militantly racist samadhi, if Art Blakey says it has nothing to do with Africa, it has nothing to do with it. While I do admit Negro Spirituals and slave music contributed to jazz, European classical/opera music contributed in terms of harmony. Before the influence of Europe it wasn't jazz. Blacks don't own jazz, everybody does. By the way, you do sound rather saying "a certain ethnic group has a way of distorting the truth.." Go join the panthers or something.
Whatisthescore 2 years ago
Also:
From its early development until the present, jazz has incorporated music from 19th and 20th century American popular music.[1] Its West African pedigree is evident in its use of blue notes, improvisation, polyrhythms, syncopation, and the swung note[2] but one of jazz's iconic figures Art Blakey has been quoted as saying, "No America, no jazz. Ive seen people try to connect it to other countries, for instance to Africa, but it doesnt have a damn thing to do with Africa".
Whatisthescore 2 years ago
love this this is probably one of my all time favorite improvisation sections i mean come on you got Coleman Hawkins playing is tenor and then Parker just taking the show as he always did for he is truly the best saxophonist to ever walk this planet he is amazing this little piece of jazz history is able to be purchased in i really don't know which stores i personally got it from barn\es and nobles where it was like 30 $ and it had a lot more amazing things on it but i think that this just winns
Jazzman256 2 years ago
also, jazz had a huge opera influence and that's white music sooo...
Whatisthescore 2 years ago
Whatisthescore one of the problems you might have understanding what I am saying is your ignorance of Afro-American history. I am not going to provide a history lesson to prove a point. I will say this do your own research. You don't know what you are talking about and it is to easy to know. The origins of Jazz began at the point of entree of Black people and not just in this country but also the Caribbean.The sounds the slaves brought with them was from AFRICA. Not the Metro. opera.
samadjhi 2 years ago
@samadjhi no I'm sorry. Jazz wasn't jazz until it came to New Orleans. And, there certainly was a huge influence of European opera music on the early jazz musicians, frankly that's where it got it's intellect. It's not just a black music. Stop being so militant.
Whatisthescore 2 years ago
What does militancy have to do with what we are talking bout? I don't see the connection. Jazz is the evolutions component of what was then called Negro spirituals and the blues. Identity is important for kids of color because it is empowering. They need as much as they can get! Also a certain ethnic group has a way of distorting the truth and i am trying to be polite. This same group has a tendency of taking ownership of things that it doesn't own. Do your research and then get back to me.
samadjhi 2 years ago
@samadjhi I have done my research, I have degree in jazz performance from a very well known college. Just look at the first paragraph in wiki for Jazz:
Jazz is a musical form which originated at the beginning of the 20th century in African American communities in the Southern United States from a confluence of African and European music traditions.
Whatisthescore 2 years ago
I attempted to have a reasonable conversation with you and because I take a position favorable to Afro-Americans you interject radicalism? You don't know me. I don't need Wiki to provide a definition you do. I don't care what school you went to. Yes Europeans contributed to this music called Jazz. Jazz's origins are of and from Africa brought here by the slaves. In not just the US but any port of entry of the black man including South America.Lets just enjoy the music. Have a good life.
samadjhi 2 years ago
I just want to say one more thing. To everyone who appreciates and or contributes to this art form we call jazz i tip my hat. Everyone influences everyone. Whites and others have made positive contributions. but to say blacks created opera is like saying whites created Jazz
samadjhi 2 years ago
I LOVE both these players as the best... coleman and bird have two totally different styles but so fresh even today
jazzpsalti 2 years ago
Hank Jones (piano) is still playing and playing well. I saw him with the Knoxville Jazz orchestra in 2005. There are plenty of youtube videos of him performing within the last year or so. He's a real treasure.
philh37 2 years ago
Charlie parker went in Lol thats you can see his alter Ego lol Musicains .....lol Music is so bueatiful
dlhmusic08 2 years ago
1:30 how I love that part!! I wish I could play like him... someday! Anybody has an idea where i can get the notes for free?
gabychavezregato 2 years ago
There already there, all you have to do is note them down.
guitareluver 2 years ago 2
@gabychavezregato
If you can play by ear! You shouldn't bother to look out for free sheet music!! Anyway to look at this stuff written down is ridiculous because it's from the soul and the instruments, not from some bloody paper!
helluvagun 2 years ago
Bird lives.
proodish 2 years ago 2
Yeah, this is priceless. Hawkins is just blowing this cool beautiful stuff, nice, smooth and effortless and then Parker's like "HONK!" and then spins out the history of the universe for 16 bars. It's hard to imagine that the "HONK" wasn't a little competative psychological warfare on Bird's part. I know he had lots of respect for Hawkins but that didn't stop him from wanting to cut a motherfucker.
geoffstockton 2 years ago 9
i wish i could give that 2 thumbs up!
dvnstvn9 2 years ago
Aaaah, Bird plays just so amazing... unbelievable. Much heart in it.
matoflash 2 years ago
hawk the grandfather, charlie parker the crown prince, side by side, two masters of the alto and tenor, unrivalled and unequalled, the beethoven and mozart of their classical music which is jazz, and that's it, jazz belongeth to africa and it's men and women folk!!!!!!!!!xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
ashrafilm 2 years ago 5
ashrafilm wrote: "jazz belongeth to africa and it's men and women folk!!!!!!!!!"
Are you kidding me? Jazz is American. Or, better said, it was born in the U.S.A., but now it is music appreciated worldwide.
VeganaExPuta 2 years ago
before anyone gets offended the "africa" thing was a joke I would assume. you have to admit almost all the great jazzers were black, but that is just because they were raised in this culture. you don't see many black classical players, classical music is big in europe, lots of white guys there, thus white classical players
other than the joke, you couldn't have said it any better my friend :)
SaxophoneProductions 2 years ago
no one owns jazz that last remark was kinda racist it came from america ,,,apart from hue masekela where are the great african jazzers ,,,keep it musicle not political
mrhitmanisback 2 years ago
@mrhitmanisback I agree no one owns jazz but make no mistake about who created jazz, Jazz was created by Afro-Americans. It is a derivative of the blues and what was called at that time Negro spirituals. Jazz comes straight out of the cotton fields.
samadjhi 2 years ago
to be honest im not botherd its every bodys music black ppl have to stop living in the past ,like all the slavery shit 200 pluss years ago jazz isnt ownd by white or black it has evolved as a multicultural voice for us to converse with each other and understand
mrhitmanisback 2 years ago
@mrhitmanisback I don't know what my statement has to do with slavery. I fail to see the connection. I agree the music belongs to everyone. As I stated to you privately its empowering to know that members of your ethnic group have made such a univesal contribution. It stimulates hope and a sense of pride. Our kids need that. America has been guility of taking ownership that doesn't belong to them. Regarding slavery you mention 200 plus years. Are you telling me that is when discrimination ended?
samadjhi 2 years ago
,,, if it wernt for americ jazz wouldnt of happend you think 5 men in say nigerea would of invented jazz slavery did,,,without slavery no spirituls or blues mate anyway im not american and i respect alll
mrhitmanisback 2 years ago
@mrhitmanisback My friend this is the last that I will say. If spirituals are linked to the blues what is the blues linked too? It is linked to Africa. The musical sound that came from the slaves originated from Africa. This sound or rhythm that is straight out of Africa and has evolved in the sound that we call Jazz. Lets just enjoy the music.
samadjhi 2 years ago
@samadjhi no it doesnt it comes from n. orleans
Whatisthescore 2 years ago
And Coltrane the jester! Who wasn't there, but can you imagine?
stimpanzee 2 years ago
Good evening, commentators...
But, damn, are some of you need to be more--uh--hip--to what the legendary Yardbird was about!
If anything, Bird wondered why the Hawk was (as is the lingo of the day) sweating about,
since he dug the other fella and as was the mindset of his (not our) time giving him big props...
It was to Bird the Hawk's set and stage:
Bird was glad to be allowed to guest on it...
His brief and memorable solo was a tribute...
FYI...
lilhitman364 2 years ago 2
Funny how the Parker stepped on the end of Hawkins's opening, played four thousand beautiful notes. Though he finished his solo by paying lip-service to Hawkins's soulful style, I can't imagine Hawkins felt great about that rendition. I've read that Parker was not univerally beloved by his fellow musicians.
williamfeuer 2 years ago 2
yeah, parker seemed like he was somewhat condescending with his playing and expression, even if it was incredible. "ok old man you've had enough" and then hawkings was just like "fuck you dude i keep it real" weird dynamic. parker truly finds soul in his runs tho- the entire phrase playing the role that just a few notes might otherwise.
BlueBlueFeelin 2 years ago
whos who in the vid???...sorry guys, Im just starting to get into jazz...
illnastic 2 years ago