Debunking NDE's, Alien Abductions, and other related phenomena

[wetweasel56]

Brain cells stop firing 20 - 40 seconds after the heart stops. People recall seeing themselves being given CPR from above their bodies. How can they see that if their brain cells are not firing?

Also, if you look at how the brain works, there should be no way that we can think. It is only cells firing on and off yet we have consciousness.

We are in the infant stage of learning the truth to consciousness and the brain. How can you say for certain that something like an NDE is not possible?

[coldblood274]

@noirkitten So do you spend all your days in your mothers basement on the internet insulting kids? Or do you actually have a life?

[coldblood274]

@noirkitten Why the Fuck? I forgot what you were bitchin about, cant be too important :P

[coldblood274]

@noirkitten OMG O.O, just because there are trillions of planets doesnt mean each one has to be habitable!

There are 9 planets in our solar system, how many of those are "habitable". And the "Candidate" planets your referring to are only the number of planets that the idiots at NASA have found, there are more and more planets being discovered in our Galaxy everyday, but that of course doesnt thats all there is, because there are always more. Can you wrap you pee brain around that, Mate?

[coldblood274]

@noirkitten "exageration" what kind of fucking idiot are you! Scientist now admit that there are more galaxies then there are grains of sand on our entire planet! The Uniververse is infinate! The FBI just released files proving the roswell insident!

[NromulousZ]

aliens just dont exist get back to reality you muppets

[coldblood274]

@NromulousZ You do realize that in this Galaxy alone there are trillions of planets right? How ignorant can you be.

@7otherstars you call yourself "debunking" but you have done no actual research, your just an idiot with a computer and windows movie maker. I dont see what Alien abductions have in common with NDEs... Really trying to kill multiple birds with one stone arent ya.

[NromulousZ]

@coldblood274 dude aliens dont exist you can lie to yourself but in the real world your be a loser, a failure of society your choice

[coldblood274]

@NromulousZ So now Im a "loser" because I know there is an uncountable number of habitable planets. If the men who have been to the moon believe in intelligent life in space then thats all the reason, not to mention the scientific evidence... Your a funny kid.

[NromulousZ]

@coldblood274 like any conspiracy theorist your wrong you brush over inconvenient facts for your pre defined conclusion to have any base.

Humankind is the most superior war machine ever created nothing can stop us and

A)no there is no credible scientific evidence of little green men

B)what "men" who went to the moon believe in intelligent life in space, prove it

C)the universe is expanding so how is it infinite?

is this some cry for help trying to rebel against society s views and replace it

[coldblood274]

@NromulousZ Ive dealt with your kind before. Lots of questions... If you dont know what the men who have been to the moon have to say about alien its not my job to inform you, inform yourself. And this will probably come as a shock to you but Alien life has been found. Recently. Like this week recently scientist have just found an alien worm. And who cares if theres an end to the universe, there may be, but the fact remains that trying to count the number of galaxies alone would be pointless.

[NromulousZ]

@coldblood274 i could claim theres a cuban jewish turtle who controls the world thats why skeptics like me demand evidence from reliable sources to prove it without a doubt otherwise im sorrys its just fiction.no we have never found alien inteliigent life we found what america has described as "alien", even though its on OUR planet, just a over dramaiised micro-organisim that certainly is not intelligent life at any level and are found frequently its just the media has nothing else to report

[coldblood274]

@NromulousZ Well despite the cases that have been well covered up like the "Dr Jonathan Reed encouter" and many others, but you may not want to see Dr Reeds video, your too short on brains. The evidence is there, just because its never been presented to you, or youve never researched it doesnt mean that theres no evidence...

With programs like CSETI and The Disclosure Project who both do great jobs at presenting the evidence. But like you said, your just a skeptic....

[NromulousZ]

@coldblood274 mamm i wont let you waste my time with your nosubstance mindless nonsense, your a fool who does not listen to sense i hope one day you wake up

[DanKreiger]

@NromulousZ if i misinterpreted you, i'm really sorry - when i saw that "jewish cuban" thing, it threw me off - unless you have met at least 10,000 jews and 10,000 cubans, you have no real frame of reference - ok. maybe i'm overreacting, you can rationalize stereotypes. they can make sense if we want them too - but you know the nature vs. nuture concept and the observer-expectancy effect. also, people are crazy. anyways, perhaps i misinterpreted you, and i should have a better sense of humor

[DanKreiger]

@NromulousZ i agree w/ you about conspiracy theories w/o enough proof, but what's your beef with cuban jewish turtles? avoid proper adjectives when making analogies - it's dangerous - it might make others think you have bigoted ideas - your arguments will appear invalid - so unless you're inbred who argues for eugenics, you really have no excuse, you're too smart for that shit

"turtle" would suffice. why rip on jews and cubans? there are nazi groups for that - they enjoy shortcuts to thinking

[Smokeahdabuddha]

consciousness is not a byproduct your brain produces, your brain is whats decodes consciousness.

[Purplemoonfish]

You have debunked nothing,

[kidkong584]

In the last 15 years, there were three major studies on the near death experience, and all three have debunked the possibility of them being hallucinations due to lack of oxygen to the brain, dying brain cells, DMT, etc..

[oldblubblub]

In my comment, I ment to say "COMPLETELY shut down". Sorry for the error.

[oldblubblub]

I don't believe in NDE's, but I just have one question? If NDE's are generated by brain function, howcome there were some cases where the brain has COMPLETELY and then the patient has brought back to life claiming to have had an NDE when the brain wasn't working at all? So how could the brain, that's not working at all, generate an NDE in the person's mind?

[7othestars]

@oldblubblub technically, when the heart stops, brain and organ function do not completely stop. the higher functions of the brain that need the most oxygen are shut down, but preserved, and the brain can survive in this state for anywhere from 5-15 minutes without severe injury to the brain, depending on how an individuals brain can conserve oxygen. I realize this does not completely answer your question, but there is still a lot we don't understand in terms of brain chemistry.

[oldblubblub]

@7othestars Oh. Thank you for answering my question.

[NinjaSaiden]

@7othestars A person was dead for 60 minutes.. o_O

[jasperzoe]

@7othestars there are documented brain dead cases though. One in particular a lady had her brain drained of blood for surgery and she had flatline eeg for 40 minutes. Also blind report seeing during NDE's. DMT is the strongest counter but it doesnt explain the consistancy of subjects throughout time including children. DMT isnt a consistant experience like NDE and MR Strassman called it the spirit molecule. He claimed nobody was atheist after DMT even muchlesss NDEs

[k0smon]

What video? It was just a bunch of words. Tests have already been done in the field of NDE and indicate the reality of a spirit world.

[7othestars]

@k0smon Could you cite a source for these tests? I am always open to new information, but as yet, I have not found anything that confirms the reality of anything that I would call a spirit world.

[k0smon]

@7othestars Studies have been done by Drs Moody, Morse, Sabom and others. They have found similarities in the NDE experience that indicates they are not hallucinations. Dr Kubler-Ross was convinced of the continuation of life. Psychics were studied at U of Arizona. NDEs, ghosts, EVPs, psychic contacts, seances are all indicative of a spirit world. I can attest to spirit after having attended 2 materialization seances many years ago in California. Refer to 'Britain's Psychic Challenge.'

[7othestars]

@k0smon I will refer you to the work of James Randi, because I don't think self-proclaimed psychics are a credible source of information. Look up the James Randi Education foundation, or check out his youtube channel.

[k0smon]

@7othestars I am familiar with JR, who we will admit is not a neutral observer. There are those who think his million dollar offer is bogus. He is a 'famous' skeptic and attempts to be a debunker.

[jasperzoe]

@7othestars Randi is a clown he offers a million to anyone that can prove the metaphysical and was qouted as saying "I always have an out" meaning he will never pay period

[loveslight2012]

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