I have consolidated my two previous posts into once clearer post. My apologies for the messiness.
imo - The opponent is already off-balance after the old master's interception. He cannot make good use of his left arm really. Please note the momentum. Stepping into an attack before momentum wears of can be disadvantageous, unless you know how to deal with such an attack.
The old masters grabs the arm at the moment the momentum wears off, placing him in a advantageous position.
i don't understand why the attacker has his belly turned flat towards the old dude. The old dude at least is standing sidewise, which makes his body harder to reach while his hand extends closer to the yound dude's head/body.
@joylaval "CMC is a great fighter in reality"? He had never had a real fight in a competition or street fight. How can you tell he was a REAL fighter. All his so-called fights were demonstrations only. The reason why you are controlled by your teacher is that you are not soft and sensitive enough.
@joylaval The essence of a real fight (imo) does not depend on speed and strength alone. It depends mostly upon the one who has the clearest vision. Heart-rate, blood-pressure, adrenaline. These are factors that need to be weighed in also. If you know how to keep calm under (extreme) pressure, you have an edge.
ok, first of all tai ji emphasizes yielding, so stepping backward is very tai ji. nothing wrong there. second of all, i have been in similar situations in sparring (shaolin), push hands (tai ji), etc, and actually, the opponents left hand is at a disadvantagous position. if you have ever been in that position yourself, and carefully re-examine the angle and distance of the left hand, you will realize this. chengmanching has good speed, power, fa-jing, technique etc. nothing wrong here.
whetner can control the rifght hand and the left hand of the offense is not the most important issue.......I think if CMC can control offense's balance through any body contacts, like touch his right(no need to catch), then the offense would not use the left hand to attack cmc
@georgehsliew In my opinion you should never step forwards unless the purpose is to keep your attacker from kicking. CMC is acting much like water in this example, I like it.
I disagree with you , Prof Cheng side steps, and draws him in causing the student to over extend at which point Prof Cheng is able to push him,...but thank you for the videos you have posted.
By blocking the way he did, Cheng didn't have to side step. He should should counter strike with his right hand right away. Blocking is Yin and striking is Yang. Both Yin and Yang exist at the same time, and that is called Tai Chi.
no, cause the moment you are pointing at, the opponent already was put out of balance and CMC already got a grip on his right hand as you said. with this grip and the fact that his opponent have to recover balance (before he can hit with full strength again) gives CMC the opportunity to shake/push his opponent as he desires.
One elementary fact of tai chi is, being rooted, what means to have perfect balance. Which leads to the point that an opponent losing balance, also loses Offensive power.
I really like this. You put some serious thoughts into this and your proposal is reasonable and well argued. I wish more people would do this on youtube, and not just regarding tai chi.
@MrLuke314 You guys are crazy -this hand here, and that finger there.. WTF?! I could make a vid like this, pointing out all the seeming flaws in Mike Tyson's boxing game, but I sure as heck wouldn't get in the ring with him!!! Talkers talk, and doers do! You are a talker, Mr. Cheng was a doer!
What's your problem with Cheng Man Ching? I studied under one of his students (who began studying with him when he first came to New York and continued to do so until he died). I must say that my teacher is a master, so I can only imagine what my teacher's teacher (i.e., Cheng Man Ching) was like as a teacher and practitioner.
Thank Georgehsliew that he is an independent free thinker who does not get sucked into perpetuating a myth. I didn't know CMC either, but I'm guessing he's a flawed human being like all of us.
doesnt really matter what you think could have been done to beat the guy, all you really need to remember is that he was never defeated in any of his fights, he would have seen that left hand a mile away, if he thought that it was a threat he would have done something about it.
@georgehsliew that may be the case, because truthfully i didnt know the guy, i do know that he wasnt very interested in doing compertitions, but enterered many and won them all.
@georgehsliew What's your problem with Cheng Man Ching? I studied under one of his students (who began studying with him when he first came to New York and continued to do so until he died). I must say that my teacher is a master, so I can only imagine what my teacher's teacher (i.e., Cheng Man Ching) was like as a teacher and practitioner.
The problem was pointed out in the video. Please look into the problem, and not into the life of CMC. The life of CMC had nothing to do with the problem discused in the video.
What's your problem with Cheng Man Ching? I studied under one of his students (who began studying with him when he first came to New York and continued to do so until he died). I must say that my teacher is a master, so I can only imagine what my teacher's teacher (i.e., Cheng Man Ching) was like as a teacher and practitioner.
By drawing in and controlling the opponents right hand CMC put him off balance and in a position of weakness. Even if his opponent did get off a strike with his left hand it would be extremely weak.
A student of CMC once said that tai chi is not a martial art, because by the time you get good enough to defend yourself you're so old that nobody would try to hit you anyway. :)
I think it would be a mistake to assume this filmed demo with one of CMC's own students is a display of his highest skills. It's a demo film and the student is throwing a haymaker. Whether or not he was a top guy is one thing, but it would be foolish to assume this is a demo of his top skill.
After the left hand intercepts Chengs hand, Cheng would PROBABLY step into him and give him a dead shoulder throw. You don't know Tai Chi. It's a freestyle martial art.
taji is said to be divided into high, middle, and lowest skill levels. cmc was a student of master of the middle level with some high level abilities. it is said that cmc was not a senior level student. i would think cmc was a master of the lowest level with some middle level abilities. now in the old school that probably meant you could fight. cmc did not like to fight, and his demo skills probably are a lot more masterful looking than his fighting skill ever where.
@wagfinpis have you not researched Prof Cheng ? Hello all of the extremly high level students that he produced, and grand students and further on,.. and yes he took on all challenges while in mainland China, and in Taiwan.
Cheng Man Ching was definitely a master at fighting -he had an inner circle of dragons that he taught the fighting techniques- he was never defeated- it is a shame you have spent so much energy trying belittle one of the truly magical practioners-there are hundreds of eye witness accounts to verify his power-sorry nobody had an iphone to capture it for you-but that doesn't mean it never happened
George, you seem to be confused. There are three circles to control. CMC controls the largest circle first. THe opponent never gets deeper into the 2nd or 3rd circle.
He is quite clearly going backwards on a diagonal. The correct Taijiquan method is never to retreat. Cheng Man Ching was never a fighter and back in China he was never even really any good. People must remember he left China for the USA made up his own Taiji form & taught that to a bunch of American peace loving hippies.
@TNP007TNP , yeh fucking hippies,, well, if it wasn't for one of those pot-smoking, long haired yanks, i would not have found yang style tai chi in my city. so don't diss hippies if they can pass down some tai chi wisdom. so from one hippy, he taught someone else who the taught lots of people in a shitty city far, far away from China. the CMC short form is a good form, why speak ill of it and the deceased Ch'eng Man Ch'ing? He did so much for Western tai chi.
@noklarok if you read my comment again (correctly) you (hopefully) will see that I wasn't deriding 'peace loving hippies' but saying that CMC was not a fighter & didn't know anything about Taiji Quan fighting. What he did was teach those (often passive aggressive) people, only the soft aspects of Taiji philosophy & NOT correct Taiji Quan fighting methods - because he didn't know them - so CMC should not be seen as a good source of info on that subject. All he taught was how to be soft/relaxed.
@noklarok it's clear from ur vile attitude u know nothing about real Taiji Quan on any level. Where's ur proof of CMC 'scrapping when he was younger.' Can you also show any film of CMC actually 'scrapping' for real. CMC form was not the form taught by Yang Cheng-fu let alone Yang Lu-chan. The great Yang Cheng-fu is documented as saying that to change his form any further (he had already changed the Lu-chan form) would surely lead to disaster.
@noklarok you seem determined to continue to prove what an imbecile you are, so for ur own sake I will say only this last thing & not respond to ur stupidity any more.
'Although I, Man-ch'ing, studied with Master Yang Ch'eng-fu, I do not dare to claim that I received the full transmission.' If u don't already know this, look it up. Yang Ch'eng-fu - 'There is only one school of T'ai-chi ch'uan; there are not two methods. Don't be deluded by your own cleverness & foolishly make additions or
@TNP007TNP your responses are just as rude in their ignorance and condescension as can be- you obviously don't know anybody who was close to Cheng or you would know that he was an extraordinary fighter- he was very selective about his inner circle and mostly taught the more gentle side-your arrogance and crudeness are clear indications that you have not made much progress cultivating the yin side of the circle-
I Teach Taiji Quan 8 classes weekly I practice & teach Yang Cheng-fu, Yang Lu-chan & Chang San-feng Wudang Systems & Shaolin. If you, or anyone else care to re-read my original comments for this video you will hopefully realize what an idiot you have been with your aggressive foul mouthed responses to my comments. Now go away and try and do some learning.
@TNP007TNP : hold up. I was gonna leave it at that.. but i just realised.. you said CMC knew "NOTHING" of fighting,, your quote says "I do not dare to claim that I received the full transmission" .. this is very humble and it is obvious that CMC was not as accomplished as YCF.. but he doesn't say " don't ask me about fighting i don't know anything" .. i think you should watch what you say as basically you were talking loose. and have some respect for the dead.
You are saying that you would square off with the opponent. While Im sure you would be successful, this isnt exactly representative of Chengs understanding of Tai Chi theory, as I would must humbly percieve it. I certainly cant imagine Chu Shi squarely approaching any problem. So too can I not imagine The Professor doing the same. Two solutions to a single problem is acceptable and each approach is representative of the researchers hard work.
George may have a point here with regards to practical fighting principles. I think after all that talk about tai-chi fighting, the only proof is to see a free-sparring session rather than a practiced-demo session. Like they say, ' to prove you can swim,you have to jump into the pool'
George may have a point here with regards to practical fighting principles. I think after all that talk about tai-chi fighting, the only proof is to see a free-sparring session rather than a practiced-demo session. Like they say, ' to prove you can swim,you have to jump into the pool'
@kittenbalm ...A beginner at T'ai Chi using T'ai Chi in amateur full contact...never had any other martial art training...So only transitioned from form to pushing hands to full contact...(lowkickslick, Yang Style & Sun Style Taijiquan practitioner)
What if is something I heard so often when we were practicing kun tao. It's just what pulseferrichard said it has always to do with ballance and of ballance. If opponent is pulled/blocked on his right side quided to his left do you thing that he has any power to deliver a effective punch with his left fist. Come on we all know this is shadow-boxing and not a real fight. A good boxer delivers his punches to fast to grip his hands/wrists arms. Nice for health and study but not on the streets.
You miss the point of Cheng Man Ching completely. Like any innovator, he was ahead of his time. You must be either from mainland China and grinding own outdated political agenda or simply, "looking for the bone in the egg". You do not appear to base your comments on a a holistic analysis of Cheng.
As the Chinese say, "a frog sounds loudest at the bottom of the well, but, it is still a frog."
Even in boxing the right hand lowered is not a useless tactic. Many KO's happen this way. Just watch the best KO's on you tube in any fighting style, there are numerous evidence that the power shot is much lower than taught in form. There's a reason for this and it has to do with the way the brain receives info. You have to look at it from what the opponent is seeing. He has lost track of the right hand and he is committed going one way. The response can come at any angle.
@sunhelmet that's not right hand lowered so that he can't send out attk. The person is unbalanced. when u don't have a firm root, there's no way a powerful attk can be sent out.
@s80520 I didn't mention sending an attack. I mentioned the other guy *seeing* the attack so he can't react in time. It is a universal fighting principle that the old master understands well. I would give him the benefit of the doubt because it even makes sense in non tai chi principles.
It doesn't matter what you see, you can always see what you would do if you were in that situation when your watching. The fact is, if you are in a certain position, no matter what you see coming at you, you can't do anything about it. For example, when you are taking a step while walking, there is a point in time where you have to finish putting your foot on the ground to lift the other foot up. At that point you can't do anything thing else but finish the step.
It looks to me like his partner is going in with the left hand and is countered, that makes sense to me.
As to which direction he moves, I've always learned and thought that you should be able to move in any direction. For example, if there is an obstacle in the way of the 'correct' direction then you would need to go somewhere else. Or your opponent might seem to expect you to move one direction, so you move differently.
George, he is not going backwards. He is standing both feet facing opp. He steps to his right, clockwise circle chin na grab/block.(perfect for awaiting the opp. left hand to strike)....do you know what happens if he does?? since chengs hand is on top, if opp strikes, cheng circles left hand, counter clockwise, to block strike, and then wammmooo chengs right hand you pointed out slams a palm right into dudes head or ect ect ect....have a nice day.
NO, you're totally wrong. Taichi is not like most boxing or other martial art. Listening the force is the most important for fighting. If he can catch your force once, he can catch the following force and forecast the following step you want to do.
It's good to know that we have a master here that have already surpassed Chen Man ching. Congratulations! I want you to be my sifu. I will do everything you say. You are so wise!
I'm not sure what the point of your commentary is. you aren't there, you aren't interacting with CMC, so saying what you WOULD do is irrelevant. These things take place in the moment, not years later sitting at your computer deciding what you think you would have done if that had been you, when it wasn't. each moment of interaction is unique, with its own dynamics, not all of which are visible.
Thank you for your comments. Everybody should has his own opinion according to what he knows and to his experience. You have your opinion and I have mine. So does everybody else.
@georgehsliew and also, lest we forget, no one is perfect. I'd say the idea isn't what you would do, but how you use the situation to your advantage. If your right hand is at a position that doesnt necessary cover a side or seems useseless doesnt mean its all wrong. CMC's head is out of reach for opps fist, if he wanted to act in that space he'd have to move, or expose his core to CMCs reach. The situation the opp's in seems to have the disadvantage without changing the conditions of the bridge.
Hi George, CMC swung the opponent's right hand across the body front. it's in a very awkward position for one to strike back with the left hand. Place your right hand across your body toward your left side, you will know you cannot deliever what you suggested "to intercept with the left hand."
I can realize your idea. I can see the momentum to intercept or strike.
But my concernt is to solve the problem. On that situation you can do a very little thing to make the opponet no chance to to intercept or strike. You can try to answer.
This is the only part of movement of the 拳架, Cheng Man Ching didn't change the original action. You could say the use of this movement is terrible, but it is not right to comment the action itself. And now let me make a question , will you make a better use of this movement?
By the way, why I took time to leave the message is because the video of the comment impressed me. Good comment you must have a good teacher.
Is anyone konws what Cheng Man Ching is doing. This is neither 太極散手 nor 對練. How can you make the criticism to the whole picture with the wrong glasses?
The question is: how can you hold my one hand well in the first place? You need to presume that I am very slow in response. Or, you just presume I am your demo partner. Your presumption tells how much exprience you may have.
Basically you can take any master or expert and freeze frame and say oh but this can be exploited or this hand should this or that hand shouldn't this. In fighting it really doesn't matter as long as you hit and the other person gets hit. It doesn't matter what position. If I am expert enough to hit you with a dangerous and vulnerable spinning back kick that you are too slow to defend or your mind is not expecting it, no matter how stupid the move if I hit you I hit you.
I agree with the second half of your comment , but not the other half. When you choreograph a fighting move, you do not presume the opponent is stupid or will respond slow or in any way inferior than you.
in detail, his opponent is off balance and under control at 0:10, and from this point he is totally under the control of the master. Strike out with the other hand is impossible at this kind of condition.
If you observe more carefully, when Cheng Man Ching grabs his opponent's hand, his opponent is already off balance, and totally under his control. Basically, I think you are using external martial art's perspective to look at internal martial art. But internal art is very counter intuitive.
First of all, I think this is more of a demo than a fight. Second, when a taichi master controls his opponent, he never just controls one hand, he will find connection from the contact point to his opponent's heel, therefore controls his opponent's whole body (skeleton). It may not be as easy as you think that you can still strike the master with the other hand.
He's just using brush knee and push, lol. He blocks with a left cloud hand before striking with the right push. If the other guy then punched with his right hand, Cheng could have just changed his movements. I mean, when looking at a video still, we could make up all kinds of senarios. I agree with using a different move though. Defending against overhand strikes like that are easier if you dodge left or right, or use an X-block as you move in.
I'm no follower of zheng man qing, but in many REAL fight situations, when an opponent has committed to a full swing and rush, by taking a step back, u've basically negated the opponent's balance and ability to follow up on an attack. george, put on some gloves, and spar with as many people as u can. perhaps then u'll understand what combat is about. and even so, sparring isn't even close to the real thing. but at least u'll get the general idea instead of misleading people.
I did do all the things you mentioned when I was young. I have friends who practice different style of kung fu since I was still in high school. Now I am too old to learn anything else. Anyhow, I appreciate your advice.
After reading this, it seems most people are objecting on principle.. George sees weaknesses and tries to improve upon the techniques. It seems most people around here, regardless of whether CMC was good or not, just accepts his techniques at face value. Would you do what CMC does in this demo? I would not. I would try to keep my hands where they are useful, all the time, regardless of what the opponent does. Thank you, George, for pointing out flaws, so that we do what we can to correct them.
This is just a drill, CMC is just playing around with san sao application. From what I see, the momentum that he projected already cut off the opponents left arm. Also CMC put his opponent in a weird position to throw him off balance. You should be focusing on improving your kung fu instead of nit picking other people's mistakes. I pick on your mistakes because you pick on other's mistakes.
No problem I like to help people out with their problems. Continue to practice hard and smart and one day you will become a great kung fu master like Wong Shun Leung.
You welcome anytime. That's good that you know more Wing Chun masters than me, that means you have a lot of friends. You might know more Wing Chun masters but you might just want to relearn first form Siu Nim Tao for 2 -5 years before making more wing chun videos.
continued, cmc doing whats right for him in that moment not 50 years later ha ha. a teacher (master) would offer many variations on an apps. depending on speed power reach distancing etc.this is just snap shot of one, and are training aids, we learn sensitivity and principles to react to whats happening through form psh hnds in real time the apps that manifests is irreleavent. in reality set pieces dont work as opp. is not compliant
stick adhere follow then maybe an application may happen unset
this is a free flowing move we could freeze frame any demo by anyone high or low skilled and pull it to pieces.these are for reference only not saying that this is the only perfect way to deal with such an attack. put into context! cheng a small man getsout of way of much bigger man coming in at speed with power momentum, rolls and controls opps. balance (you cant deliver a counter if your balance is taken). different opp. power and speed, cmc may have stepped in, he is doing whats right for him
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I have consolidated my two previous posts into once clearer post. My apologies for the messiness.
imo - The opponent is already off-balance after the old master's interception. He cannot make good use of his left arm really. Please note the momentum. Stepping into an attack before momentum wears of can be disadvantageous, unless you know how to deal with such an attack.
The old masters grabs the arm at the moment the momentum wears off, placing him in a advantageous position.
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colaFRank 3 weeks ago
i don't understand why the attacker has his belly turned flat towards the old dude. The old dude at least is standing sidewise, which makes his body harder to reach while his hand extends closer to the yound dude's head/body.
hallobaaaby 1 month ago
@hallobaaaby That's a unrealistic presumption of attack.
georgehsliew 1 month ago
@georgehsliew i watched again reading your comments in the video, i realise that was actually your point. Thanks, cheers!
hallobaaaby 1 month ago
@hallobaaaby The young one's strike is weird. It's unreal.
georgehsliew 2 weeks ago
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I talk too much. Part of my words must be wrong. I take back "CMC is a great fighter in reality".
I need more practice than talk. Thank your response anyway.
joylaval 3 months ago
@joylaval
You have the right to speak your mind.
georgehsliew 3 months ago
I saw a fight match when Wang zhanjun in this situation. yeah, he did step forward and use "Yin Men Zhou" knock out opponent. very neat.
i mean, if u r better than opponent, forward or backward are both OK, otherwise not.
joylaval 3 months ago
@joylaval Thank you for your comment. If the young guy was good, he wouldn't strike like that.
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@joylaval "CMC is a great fighter in reality"? He had never had a real fight in a competition or street fight. How can you tell he was a REAL fighter. All his so-called fights were demonstrations only. The reason why you are controlled by your teacher is that you are not soft and sensitive enough.
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joylaval 3 months ago
@joylaval The essence of a real fight (imo) does not depend on speed and strength alone. It depends mostly upon the one who has the clearest vision. Heart-rate, blood-pressure, adrenaline. These are factors that need to be weighed in also. If you know how to keep calm under (extreme) pressure, you have an edge.
colaFRank 3 weeks ago
@joylaval Whether CMC was good or not I would judge him by what I see in the video.
georgehsliew 2 weeks ago
ok, first of all tai ji emphasizes yielding, so stepping backward is very tai ji. nothing wrong there. second of all, i have been in similar situations in sparring (shaolin), push hands (tai ji), etc, and actually, the opponents left hand is at a disadvantagous position. if you have ever been in that position yourself, and carefully re-examine the angle and distance of the left hand, you will realize this. chengmanching has good speed, power, fa-jing, technique etc. nothing wrong here.
marathonTmatt 3 months ago
@marathonTmatt
Thank you for your comments. I appreciate.
georgehsliew 3 months ago
另外﹐再仔細看鄭老的左手﹐他有兩個連續動作﹐先捉住敵人的右手﹐然後劃個圈就把敵人的右手控制在左胸之下﹐為了騰出空間捉手和畫圈的動作﹐所以必須退步才能騰出空間和視野﹐左手前捉就右腳後退。其次﹐注意看敵人的雙腳﹐敵人右手被鄭老一捉一轉控制住﹐鄭老再後退右邊一沉﹐敵人的右手被他控制著拉向前﹐接著又被他的右手推出去﹐所以就算敵人擋著了鄭老的右手﹐結果也是立地不穩被推出去。
januarydriver 4 months ago
我覺得鄭老的示範是正確的。古人有句話[强弩之末，势不能穿鲁缟]﹐太極的強項就是在敵人的攻勢最末端﹐反彈發出最大攻擊力。此例實戰中﹐敵人右手快速來襲﹐一般平常人的第一個反應是閃避﹐當然個中高手不閃也不架﹐踏中門就是一拳直擊敵人的要害。鄭老的示範符合一般人的自衛躲閃的本能反應。注意看鄭老的身子右閃連同右手沉下擺動﹐這是一個自然本能的連續動作﹐鄭老的身子就像一根茅草帶有反彈的韌性﹐右手沉下如抓起流星錘一個轉就打回敵人。
januarydriver 4 months ago
@januarydriver ur explaination is so right.
joylaval 3 months ago
whetner can control the rifght hand and the left hand of the offense is not the most important issue.......I think if CMC can control offense's balance through any body contacts, like touch his right(no need to catch), then the offense would not use the left hand to attack cmc
wah1961 4 months ago
@georgehsliew In my opinion you should never step forwards unless the purpose is to keep your attacker from kicking. CMC is acting much like water in this example, I like it.
JohnofNub 7 months ago
@JohnofNub
Stepping forward is more simple and direct. Of course, there are many different ways.
georgehsliew 7 months ago
I disagree with you , Prof Cheng side steps, and draws him in causing the student to over extend at which point Prof Cheng is able to push him,...but thank you for the videos you have posted.
fanofkimboslice 8 months ago
@fanofkimboslice Thank you for your comments.
By blocking the way he did, Cheng didn't have to side step. He should should counter strike with his right hand right away. Blocking is Yin and striking is Yang. Both Yin and Yang exist at the same time, and that is called Tai Chi.
georgehsliew 8 months ago
太極拳與大多數的武功有一點很不相同 它會正面接納來方的攻擊--用的是身體任何一個
部位，---或許會讓你覺得奇怪。---其實那是因為他老人家的身體與心靈已經鬆柔到了極處，沒有一絲毫拙力。對方自然抓不到他老人家的重心，任何攻擊都不能奏效！正符合他老人家說過的一句話→ 授人以柔。
weihooo0624 9 months ago
@weihooo0624 Thank you for your comments.
georgehsliew 9 months ago
鄭曼青在對手披掛掌下來時已經先算到所以用左手壓制，右手同時往後，這是履的動作。如果你不往後，之後推出去的力道怎麼會夠大/?
microcarpa1 10 months ago
@microcarpa1 回我自己的留言，履的時候身體同時往後，就算你去截按鄭的左手，但你的身體根本都無法保持平衡了，等下一樣被推出去。
microcarpa1 10 months ago
@microcarpa1 這是你的看法！
georgehsliew 9 months ago
@microcarpa1
這履豈不是虛履嗎？往後，是費時，不能把握即時還擊的機勢。
georgehsliew 10 months ago
@georgehsliew 你的功夫是糟糕的，尊重老人，因為有一天你也將是舊的，如果你最終獲得盡可能多的知識，他就會有做得很好
eyefuctyourwife 9 months ago
@eyefuctyourwife 我看到的，你看不到。我也是老人啊！
georgehsliew 9 months ago
@microcarpa1 右手往後退是因為不能發短勁之故。往後，是費時失事。不夠緊湊。
georgehsliew 9 months ago
no, cause the moment you are pointing at, the opponent already was put out of balance and CMC already got a grip on his right hand as you said. with this grip and the fact that his opponent have to recover balance (before he can hit with full strength again) gives CMC the opportunity to shake/push his opponent as he desires.
One elementary fact of tai chi is, being rooted, what means to have perfect balance. Which leads to the point that an opponent losing balance, also loses Offensive power.
JohnSmoke420 11 months ago
dood, your "I wouldas" don't matter. Why is it that we know the master's name, but not yours?
aquatiq 1 year ago
@aquatiq I know why. You don't.
georgehsliew 1 year ago
@georgehsliew BOOOOOOO~!!!!
aquatiq 1 year ago
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winsinyt 1 year ago
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winsinyt 1 year ago
Fine to say he could have intercepted the right hand. Point is he didn't.
sciophyte 1 year ago
@georgehsliew,
Went to your Channel, watched Tai Chi Square Form pt2 太極方拳.
OMG.
Where do you get off critiquing CMC?
Drawing red circles on a 40 year old demo vid - man, you got balls. Fortunately for you, CMC is no longer here.
You really are a self deluded pitiful old man.
Prove you're not - get in the MMA cage with real fighters and show us what you got.
Your talk is very cheap.
軍委會踢你那可憐的老屁股。
azcentralsurprise 1 year ago 2
I really like this. You put some serious thoughts into this and your proposal is reasonable and well argued. I wish more people would do this on youtube, and not just regarding tai chi.
MrLuke314 1 year ago
@MrLuke314
Thank you.
rita2130 1 year ago
@MrLuke314 You guys are crazy -this hand here, and that finger there.. WTF?! I could make a vid like this, pointing out all the seeming flaws in Mike Tyson's boxing game, but I sure as heck wouldn't get in the ring with him!!! Talkers talk, and doers do! You are a talker, Mr. Cheng was a doer!
piaten 7 months ago
@piaten hmm, it's been so long i forgot what i said. I just like the inquisitive attitude of the poster, no offense meant
MrLuke314 7 months ago
如果您講的都對的話,
那麼我也有意見...
大家武功再厲害也沒用,
我拿把AK47就可以把人打趴了...
用影片說人家不好,有何用?
下武林帖去挑戰其弟子打打看
lfjjnutn 1 year ago 7
@lfjjnutn
心胸狹隘、受不起批評的人，才會惱羞成怒地談打。
暴躁的唯我獨尊者，才會用暴力去解決問題。
以為自己功夫最強者，才會向異見者挑戰。
自己沒本事者，才會挑潑人家鬧事。自己則袖手旁觀。
有真功夫者，會聽取人家的意見，不論同意與否。
georgehsliew 1 year ago
@georgehsliew 太極拳能攻擊殺敵, 不能談打? 嘴砲太極?
accesstw28 1 year ago 2
@lfjjnutn
膽怯而沒本事的人，才會想到用鎗去對付白手空拳的人。
愚笨的人才會認為自己可用鎗，人家就不會用鎗。
georgehsliew 1 year ago
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@georgehsliew 太極拳能攻擊殺敵, 不能談打? 嘴砲太極?
accesstw28 1 year ago
批評前人或他人的東西,不會抬高您的價值.那只會讓您的格調被人輕視.做人如是武術亦如是.人家會成為宗師,定有其過人之處.把人家的東西學起來,好過去破解,去批評.
alkt9211 1 year ago
@alkt921
盲目崇拜，不是治學之道！
georgehsliew 1 year ago
@georgehsliew 以己心度人心者正如此言.正如佛印謂東坡之言.我心有佛,觀汝為佛.汝心有糞,觀萬物皆糞.言人盲者,人觀爾劣更勝盲者.他人眼盲,爾心盲.
alkt9211 1 year ago
@alkt9211 well said, good!
accesstw28 1 year ago
m6bp6 1 year ago
m6bp6 1 year ago
m6bp6 1 year ago
@m6bp6
有見地。
georgehsliew 1 year ago
lin123498 1 year ago
@lin123498
這是你對太極的了解。
太極拳也能攻擊殺敵，是我的認識。
georgehsliew 1 year ago
@lin123498
是阿~! 真不錯~!!!
~~~我在影片中看到的是~"身型較小"的 鄭 對上 具有"衝力"的推手!!
--個人看法如下--(歡迎批評指正!!!!)
1.對手直衝 然後 鄭 向右走避 化解對方向前的衝力(上步的話 會造成2人力與力的碰撞 力大者勝!!)
(所以影片發布者採用上步 與對手硬頂雙方力大者勝 且 對手早已向前衝 所以後 上步者 敗相較大)
(在影片發布者採"上步" 假想發布者的體型 同 鄭曼青的"體型" ---->雙方相互衝擊...)
(對手不顧自身安危 或 體型壯碩 對手只管向前衝力 發布者將會被重重撞飛 被衝力壓垮@@||| )
m6bp6 1 year ago
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@georgehsliew
What's your problem with Cheng Man Ching? I studied under one of his students (who began studying with him when he first came to New York and continued to do so until he died). I must say that my teacher is a master, so I can only imagine what my teacher's teacher (i.e., Cheng Man Ching) was like as a teacher and practitioner.
brobertw1 1 year ago
Thank Georgehsliew that he is an independent free thinker who does not get sucked into perpetuating a myth. I didn't know CMC either, but I'm guessing he's a flawed human being like all of us.
bovinicide 1 year ago
doesnt really matter what you think could have been done to beat the guy, all you really need to remember is that he was never defeated in any of his fights, he would have seen that left hand a mile away, if he thought that it was a threat he would have done something about it.
spoon9876 1 year ago
@spoon9876
He had never had a real fight.
georgehsliew 1 year ago
@georgehsliew that may be the case, because truthfully i didnt know the guy, i do know that he wasnt very interested in doing compertitions, but enterered many and won them all.
spoon9876 1 year ago
In a push hands demonstration between you and CMC, my money's on him 10 to 1, your comments notwithstanding.
robtrodes 1 year ago
@robtrodes
Some people got plenty of money to lose.
georgehsliew 1 year ago
@georgehsliew What's your problem with Cheng Man Ching? I studied under one of his students (who began studying with him when he first came to New York and continued to do so until he died). I must say that my teacher is a master, so I can only imagine what my teacher's teacher (i.e., Cheng Man Ching) was like as a teacher and practitioner.
brobertw1 1 year ago
@brobertw1
The problem was pointed out in the video. Please look into the problem, and not into the life of CMC. The life of CMC had nothing to do with the problem discused in the video.
georgehsliew 1 year ago
@georgehsliew
What's your problem with Cheng Man Ching? I studied under one of his students (who began studying with him when he first came to New York and continued to do so until he died). I must say that my teacher is a master, so I can only imagine what my teacher's teacher (i.e., Cheng Man Ching) was like as a teacher and practitioner.
brobertw1 1 year ago
By drawing in and controlling the opponents right hand CMC put him off balance and in a position of weakness. Even if his opponent did get off a strike with his left hand it would be extremely weak.
kirbaliscious 1 year ago
@kirbaliscious
You just presume that the opponent is slow in response.
georgehsliew 1 year ago
A student of CMC once said that tai chi is not a martial art, because by the time you get good enough to defend yourself you're so old that nobody would try to hit you anyway. :)
robtrodes 1 year ago
@robtrodes
This sounds like a joke.
georgehsliew 1 year ago
@georgehsliew You think? :)
robtrodes 1 year ago
@robtrodes
Really!!!
georgehsliew 1 year ago
@georgehsliew We did laugh.
robtrodes 1 year ago
I think it would be a mistake to assume this filmed demo with one of CMC's own students is a display of his highest skills. It's a demo film and the student is throwing a haymaker. Whether or not he was a top guy is one thing, but it would be foolish to assume this is a demo of his top skill.
Allen2saint 1 year ago
@Allen2saint
I don't think so.
georgehsliew 1 year ago
@Allen2saint
A skill is a skill.
georgehsliew 1 year ago
you are saying tai chi sucks?
dragob732 1 year ago
@dragob732
Not at all.
georgehsliew 1 year ago
@georgehsliew Not at all!Tai chi is wonderful,lol
dragob732 1 year ago
After the left hand intercepts Chengs hand, Cheng would PROBABLY step into him and give him a dead shoulder throw. You don't know Tai Chi. It's a freestyle martial art.
dekal1 1 year ago
taji is said to be divided into high, middle, and lowest skill levels. cmc was a student of master of the middle level with some high level abilities. it is said that cmc was not a senior level student. i would think cmc was a master of the lowest level with some middle level abilities. now in the old school that probably meant you could fight. cmc did not like to fight, and his demo skills probably are a lot more masterful looking than his fighting skill ever where.
wagfinpis 1 year ago 2
@wagfinpis
Your comments are quite interesting.
georgehsliew 1 year ago
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bjohnson 1 year ago
@wagfinpis I think this is well said and very fair.
bjohnson 1 year ago
@wagfinpis
Maybe you are right.
georgehsliew 1 year ago
@wagfinpis have you not researched Prof Cheng ? Hello all of the extremly high level students that he produced, and grand students and further on,.. and yes he took on all challenges while in mainland China, and in Taiwan.
fanofkimboslice 8 months ago
Cheng Man Ching was definitely a master at fighting -he had an inner circle of dragons that he taught the fighting techniques- he was never defeated- it is a shame you have spent so much energy trying belittle one of the truly magical practioners-there are hundreds of eye witness accounts to verify his power-sorry nobody had an iphone to capture it for you-but that doesn't mean it never happened
TheMegrims 1 year ago
George, you seem to be confused. There are three circles to control. CMC controls the largest circle first. THe opponent never gets deeper into the 2nd or 3rd circle.
fairman1952 1 year ago
@fairman1952
Thanks. My move would be simple and direct.
rita2130 1 year ago
Opponent will be 'pulled down with his own right hand, Note opponent is off balance. Chen can "whip" with his right.
fairman1952 1 year ago
@fairman1952 .. CMC.s big movement is a waste of time.
georgehsliew 1 year ago
He is quite clearly going backwards on a diagonal. The correct Taijiquan method is never to retreat. Cheng Man Ching was never a fighter and back in China he was never even really any good. People must remember he left China for the USA made up his own Taiji form & taught that to a bunch of American peace loving hippies.
TNP007TNP 1 year ago
@TNP007TNP Agree with you.
georgehsliew 1 year ago
@TNP007TNP , yeh fucking hippies,, well, if it wasn't for one of those pot-smoking, long haired yanks, i would not have found yang style tai chi in my city. so don't diss hippies if they can pass down some tai chi wisdom. so from one hippy, he taught someone else who the taught lots of people in a shitty city far, far away from China. the CMC short form is a good form, why speak ill of it and the deceased Ch'eng Man Ch'ing? He did so much for Western tai chi.
noklarok 1 year ago
@noklarok if you read my comment again (correctly) you (hopefully) will see that I wasn't deriding 'peace loving hippies' but saying that CMC was not a fighter & didn't know anything about Taiji Quan fighting. What he did was teach those (often passive aggressive) people, only the soft aspects of Taiji philosophy & NOT correct Taiji Quan fighting methods - because he didn't know them - so CMC should not be seen as a good source of info on that subject. All he taught was how to be soft/relaxed.
chrissifu 1 year ago
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noklarok 1 year ago
@noklarok it's clear from ur vile attitude u know nothing about real Taiji Quan on any level. Where's ur proof of CMC 'scrapping when he was younger.' Can you also show any film of CMC actually 'scrapping' for real. CMC form was not the form taught by Yang Cheng-fu let alone Yang Lu-chan. The great Yang Cheng-fu is documented as saying that to change his form any further (he had already changed the Lu-chan form) would surely lead to disaster.
TNP007TNP 1 year ago
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noklarok 1 year ago
@noklarok you seem determined to continue to prove what an imbecile you are, so for ur own sake I will say only this last thing & not respond to ur stupidity any more.
'Although I, Man-ch'ing, studied with Master Yang Ch'eng-fu, I do not dare to claim that I received the full transmission.' If u don't already know this, look it up. Yang Ch'eng-fu - 'There is only one school of T'ai-chi ch'uan; there are not two methods. Don't be deluded by your own cleverness & foolishly make additions or
TNP007TNP 1 year ago
@TNP007TNP your responses are just as rude in their ignorance and condescension as can be- you obviously don't know anybody who was close to Cheng or you would know that he was an extraordinary fighter- he was very selective about his inner circle and mostly taught the more gentle side-your arrogance and crudeness are clear indications that you have not made much progress cultivating the yin side of the circle-
TheMegrims 1 year ago
deletions.
I Teach Taiji Quan 8 classes weekly I practice & teach Yang Cheng-fu, Yang Lu-chan & Chang San-feng Wudang Systems & Shaolin. If you, or anyone else care to re-read my original comments for this video you will hopefully realize what an idiot you have been with your aggressive foul mouthed responses to my comments. Now go away and try and do some learning.
TNP007TNP 1 year ago
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noklarok 1 year ago
@TNP007TNP : hold up. I was gonna leave it at that.. but i just realised.. you said CMC knew "NOTHING" of fighting,, your quote says "I do not dare to claim that I received the full transmission" .. this is very humble and it is obvious that CMC was not as accomplished as YCF.. but he doesn't say " don't ask me about fighting i don't know anything" .. i think you should watch what you say as basically you were talking loose. and have some respect for the dead.
noklarok 1 year ago
You are saying that you would square off with the opponent. While Im sure you would be successful, this isnt exactly representative of Chengs understanding of Tai Chi theory, as I would must humbly percieve it. I certainly cant imagine Chu Shi squarely approaching any problem. So too can I not imagine The Professor doing the same. Two solutions to a single problem is acceptable and each approach is representative of the researchers hard work.
bodiddly83 1 year ago
George may have a point here with regards to practical fighting principles. I think after all that talk about tai-chi fighting, the only proof is to see a free-sparring session rather than a practiced-demo session. Like they say, ' to prove you can swim,you have to jump into the pool'
kittenbalm 1 year ago
@kittenbalm Agree.
georgehsliew 1 year ago
George may have a point here with regards to practical fighting principles. I think after all that talk about tai-chi fighting, the only proof is to see a free-sparring session rather than a practiced-demo session. Like they say, ' to prove you can swim,you have to jump into the pool'
kittenbalm 1 year ago
@kittenbalm Agree!!!
georgehsliew 1 year ago
@kittenbalm ...A beginner at T'ai Chi using T'ai Chi in amateur full contact...never had any other martial art training...So only transitioned from form to pushing hands to full contact...(lowkickslick, Yang Style & Sun Style Taijiquan practitioner)
LowKickSlick 1 year ago
Unfortunately we don't have videos of Cheng vs different fighting styles, it certainly would have been very interesting.
lostinidlewonder 1 year ago
@lostinidlewonder Good point.
georgehsliew 1 year ago
well... no left is coming ..
your body will not be able to generate power
to punch properly. He is already disrupted.. internally..
AND LOOKS ARE NOT FEELING.. if u don't touch someones hands YOU CAN NEVER REALLY KNOW!!!
DUH!!!!
kizzbluntstryke 1 year ago
he set him up. used his power of the left punch againist him there by pushing him away.
kettlebell51 1 year ago
when you are 80 perhaps you will not do as you do now?
seaphram 2 years ago
I think your right.
georgehsliew 1 year ago
What if is something I heard so often when we were practicing kun tao. It's just what pulseferrichard said it has always to do with ballance and of ballance. If opponent is pulled/blocked on his right side quided to his left do you thing that he has any power to deliver a effective punch with his left fist. Come on we all know this is shadow-boxing and not a real fight. A good boxer delivers his punches to fast to grip his hands/wrists arms. Nice for health and study but not on the streets.
cchaak 2 years ago
You miss the point of Cheng Man Ching completely. Like any innovator, he was ahead of his time. You must be either from mainland China and grinding own outdated political agenda or simply, "looking for the bone in the egg". You do not appear to base your comments on a a holistic analysis of Cheng.
As the Chinese say, "a frog sounds loudest at the bottom of the well, but, it is still a frog."
broukez21 2 years ago
Agree
Sadly, most passion ppl these days are like this.
Base your comment on TaiChi. You are looking at Taichi with boxing. That's never what taichi is.
s80520 2 years ago
Even in boxing the right hand lowered is not a useless tactic. Many KO's happen this way. Just watch the best KO's on you tube in any fighting style, there are numerous evidence that the power shot is much lower than taught in form. There's a reason for this and it has to do with the way the brain receives info. You have to look at it from what the opponent is seeing. He has lost track of the right hand and he is committed going one way. The response can come at any angle.
sunhelmet 1 year ago
@sunhelmet that's not right hand lowered so that he can't send out attk. The person is unbalanced. when u don't have a firm root, there's no way a powerful attk can be sent out.
s80520 1 year ago
@s80520 I didn't mention sending an attack. I mentioned the other guy *seeing* the attack so he can't react in time. It is a universal fighting principle that the old master understands well. I would give him the benefit of the doubt because it even makes sense in non tai chi principles.
sunhelmet 1 year ago
It doesn't matter what you see, you can always see what you would do if you were in that situation when your watching. The fact is, if you are in a certain position, no matter what you see coming at you, you can't do anything about it. For example, when you are taking a step while walking, there is a point in time where you have to finish putting your foot on the ground to lift the other foot up. At that point you can't do anything thing else but finish the step.
pulsiferrichard 2 years ago
It looks to me like his partner is going in with the left hand and is countered, that makes sense to me.
As to which direction he moves, I've always learned and thought that you should be able to move in any direction. For example, if there is an obstacle in the way of the 'correct' direction then you would need to go somewhere else. Or your opponent might seem to expect you to move one direction, so you move differently.
seadawg93 2 years ago
George, he is not going backwards. He is standing both feet facing opp. He steps to his right, clockwise circle chin na grab/block.(perfect for awaiting the opp. left hand to strike)....do you know what happens if he does?? since chengs hand is on top, if opp strikes, cheng circles left hand, counter clockwise, to block strike, and then wammmooo chengs right hand you pointed out slams a palm right into dudes head or ect ect ect....have a nice day.
Omegatide 2 years ago
I agree with you that he is not going backward. Thank you for pointing it out.
georgehsliew 2 years ago
he set him up. used his power againist him when he through the left , there by pushing him away
kettlebell51 1 year ago
@kettlebell51
NO, you're totally wrong. Taichi is not like most boxing or other martial art. Listening the force is the most important for fighting. If he can catch your force once, he can catch the following force and forecast the following step you want to do.
alf2liu 1 year ago
It's good to know that we have a master here that have already surpassed Chen Man ching. Congratulations! I want you to be my sifu. I will do everything you say. You are so wise!
igcoyote 2 years ago
I'm not sure what the point of your commentary is. you aren't there, you aren't interacting with CMC, so saying what you WOULD do is irrelevant. These things take place in the moment, not years later sitting at your computer deciding what you think you would have done if that had been you, when it wasn't. each moment of interaction is unique, with its own dynamics, not all of which are visible.
thewolfenone 2 years ago
Thank you for your comments. Everybody should has his own opinion according to what he knows and to his experience. You have your opinion and I have mine. So does everybody else.
georgehsliew 2 years ago
You're welcome.
thewolfenone 2 years ago
@georgehsliew and also, lest we forget, no one is perfect. I'd say the idea isn't what you would do, but how you use the situation to your advantage. If your right hand is at a position that doesnt necessary cover a side or seems useseless doesnt mean its all wrong. CMC's head is out of reach for opps fist, if he wanted to act in that space he'd have to move, or expose his core to CMCs reach. The situation the opp's in seems to have the disadvantage without changing the conditions of the bridge.
Sanningsministeriet 1 year ago
right ! Totally agreed b8 chen's . Chen put his hand back may produce the force increasing to the front hand at the same time.
blackdiamond 2 years ago
Hi George, CMC swung the opponent's right hand across the body front. it's in a very awkward position for one to strike back with the left hand. Place your right hand across your body toward your left side, you will know you cannot deliever what you suggested "to intercept with the left hand."
b8chen 2 years ago
Thank you for your comments. I think he still has the momentum to intercept or strike.
georgehsliew 2 years ago
I can realize your idea. I can see the momentum to intercept or strike.
But my concernt is to solve the problem. On that situation you can do a very little thing to make the opponet no chance to to intercept or strike. You can try to answer.
a122339 2 years ago
I would step up to his right, blocking with my left hand and striking with my right hand simultaneously.
georgehsliew 2 years ago
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a122339 2 years ago
This is the only part of movement of the 拳架, Cheng Man Ching didn't change the original action. You could say the use of this movement is terrible, but it is not right to comment the action itself. And now let me make a question , will you make a better use of this movement?
By the way, why I took time to leave the message is because the video of the comment impressed me. Good comment you must have a good teacher.
a122339 2 years ago
Is anyone konws what Cheng Man Ching is doing. This is neither 太極散手 nor 對練. How can you make the criticism to the whole picture with the wrong glasses?
a122339 2 years ago
What do you think it is? What kind of glasses are you talking about?
georgehsliew 2 years ago
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iiipppiiippp 2 years ago
The question is: how can you hold my one hand well in the first place? You need to presume that I am very slow in response. Or, you just presume I am your demo partner. Your presumption tells how much exprience you may have.
georgehsliew 2 years ago
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iiipppiiippp 2 years ago
Basically you can take any master or expert and freeze frame and say oh but this can be exploited or this hand should this or that hand shouldn't this. In fighting it really doesn't matter as long as you hit and the other person gets hit. It doesn't matter what position. If I am expert enough to hit you with a dangerous and vulnerable spinning back kick that you are too slow to defend or your mind is not expecting it, no matter how stupid the move if I hit you I hit you.
bab4 2 years ago
I agree with the second half of your comment , but not the other half. When you choreograph a fighting move, you do not presume the opponent is stupid or will respond slow or in any way inferior than you.
georgehsliew 2 years ago
in detail, his opponent is off balance and under control at 0:10, and from this point he is totally under the control of the master. Strike out with the other hand is impossible at this kind of condition.
outsky2005 2 years ago
Do not just see the pushing out action. A taichi master control his opponent before use fajing to push his opponent out or take down.
outsky2005 2 years ago
If you observe more carefully, when Cheng Man Ching grabs his opponent's hand, his opponent is already off balance, and totally under his control. Basically, I think you are using external martial art's perspective to look at internal martial art. But internal art is very counter intuitive.
outsky2005 2 years ago
First of all, I think this is more of a demo than a fight. Second, when a taichi master controls his opponent, he never just controls one hand, he will find connection from the contact point to his opponent's heel, therefore controls his opponent's whole body (skeleton). It may not be as easy as you think that you can still strike the master with the other hand.
outsky2005 2 years ago
鄭子如果像你說的那麼一文不值!
那麼他如何教育出黃性賢大師來?
不要用前輩的錄影帶來.雞蛋裡挑骨頭.那是不厚道的!
markwu6028 2 years ago
He's just using brush knee and push, lol. He blocks with a left cloud hand before striking with the right push. If the other guy then punched with his right hand, Cheng could have just changed his movements. I mean, when looking at a video still, we could make up all kinds of senarios. I agree with using a different move though. Defending against overhand strikes like that are easier if you dodge left or right, or use an X-block as you move in.
infiniteanswers 2 years ago
I'm no follower of zheng man qing, but in many REAL fight situations, when an opponent has committed to a full swing and rush, by taking a step back, u've basically negated the opponent's balance and ability to follow up on an attack. george, put on some gloves, and spar with as many people as u can. perhaps then u'll understand what combat is about. and even so, sparring isn't even close to the real thing. but at least u'll get the general idea instead of misleading people.
lucidmist 2 years ago
I did do all the things you mentioned when I was young. I have friends who practice different style of kung fu since I was still in high school. Now I am too old to learn anything else. Anyhow, I appreciate your advice.
georgehsliew 2 years ago
After reading this, it seems most people are objecting on principle.. George sees weaknesses and tries to improve upon the techniques. It seems most people around here, regardless of whether CMC was good or not, just accepts his techniques at face value. Would you do what CMC does in this demo? I would not. I would try to keep my hands where they are useful, all the time, regardless of what the opponent does. Thank you, George, for pointing out flaws, so that we do what we can to correct them.
KarlHertz 2 years ago
Thank you. I am just telling what I think and bringing it up for discussion. But many CMC fans feel offended.
georgehsliew 2 years ago
This is just a drill, CMC is just playing around with san sao application. From what I see, the momentum that he projected already cut off the opponents left arm. Also CMC put his opponent in a weird position to throw him off balance. You should be focusing on improving your kung fu instead of nit picking other people's mistakes. I pick on your mistakes because you pick on other's mistakes.
WingChunBoyz 2 years ago
Thank you for your comments.
georgehsliew 2 years ago
No problem I like to help people out with their problems. Continue to practice hard and smart and one day you will become a great kung fu master like Wong Shun Leung.
WingChunBoyz 2 years ago
Thank you for your knidness. I think I know more Wing Chun masters than you. They are not that famous as Wong, but they are true masters,
georgehsliew 2 years ago
You welcome anytime. That's good that you know more Wing Chun masters than me, that means you have a lot of friends. You might know more Wing Chun masters but you might just want to relearn first form Siu Nim Tao for 2 -5 years before making more wing chun videos.
WingChunBoyz 2 years ago
continued, cmc doing whats right for him in that moment not 50 years later ha ha. a teacher (master) would offer many variations on an apps. depending on speed power reach distancing etc.this is just snap shot of one, and are training aids, we learn sensitivity and principles to react to whats happening through form psh hnds in real time the apps that manifests is irreleavent. in reality set pieces dont work as opp. is not compliant
stick adhere follow then maybe an application may happen unset
mongooseway43 2 years ago
this is a free flowing move we could freeze frame any demo by anyone high or low skilled and pull it to pieces.these are for reference only not saying that this is the only perfect way to deal with such an attack. put into context! cheng a small man getsout of way of much bigger man coming in at speed with power momentum, rolls and controls opps. balance (you cant deliver a counter if your balance is taken). different opp. power and speed, cmc may have stepped in, he is doing whats right for him
mongooseway43 2 years ago
Thank you for your opinion.
georgehsliew 2 years ago
CMC's student is good doesn't mean CMC himself was good, too. Most of his students have trained with other kind of martial arts.
georgehsliew 2 years ago