Akber Choudhry can never prove himself right because he, like all other mainstream Muslims, are well aware that the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community's view is supported by the Holy Quran.
Great job done by Amjad, Akber tried his best to justify persecution of Ahmadis by quoting different example from around the world but truth is that Ahmadis are peaceful and don't hate anyone because of his faith. Even after facing persecution by Pakistan they are loyal to Pakistan and a role model for other Pakistanis.
@14:02 "When you have a new prophet you branch of to new religion"
How ignorant!!
As holy Quran clearly states In Chapter 36, Yasin 14 , 15, 16, 17
And set forth to them the parabel of a people of the town, when the messengers came to it -14
When we sent to them two messengers, and they rejected them both; So we strengthened them by a third, and they said, "Verily we have been sent to you a messengers" -15
Conclusion
No new religion or name but to reinforce by third.
Sir Akbar himself knows that he has no logical answer nd he`s just wasting his time sine a decade or more....he is basically bound to reject nd oppose ahmadiyya since he has left it...May Allah provide him hidayat :)...
Akber cannot represent the views of Muslims, particularly those in the West, as most Muslims do believe in freedom of religion. As saaqi99 said we don't need Akber's Muslim Identity certificate to be identified as Muslims.
Congratulations for holding such a wonderful debate on such a sensitive topic. The debate clearly indicates that Ahmadiyya Muslims are working really hard to spread the message of peaceful Islam.
Mr. Akbar chaudhry just launched a train of Allegations and all of them are totally wrong and are just a distraction from the actual debate. I belive there should be more debates like these so that everyone should know who follows a true and peaceful Islam.
I wonder if God would refer constitution of Pakistan for decisions? Why on earth it bothers non ahmadi muslims if they think ahmadis r on the wrong path? what scares them?
Very well presented by Mr.Amjad, definitely his points had weight and the other side had nothing to say. I wonder from where Mr Akbar gets the authority to “give judgement” of who is a muslim and who is not. and i wonder why blunder of Pakistan as a country to declare ahmadis as non muslims is portrayed as if done by all the Muslim countries?
17:13 just look when he says 'No' . I see no shame on his face while laughing. Somebody just ask this guy the definition of a muslim according to Quran and Hadith i bet he would laugh the same way he did now.
One reason when going into details of the "Muslims for Peace" type of campaigns Ahmadis mention that they are Ahmadi Muslim is because they know that their community and its leaders have categorically rejected violence and its on record. When asked about other Muslims, Ahmadis always say that there are many other Muslims who share in this belief. The truth is there are hardly any notable "leaders" of non-Ahmadi Muslims who outright reject such violence.
Part 1: Mr. Akbar claimed that simply by announcing themselves as "Muslims for Peace," "Muslims for Loyalty" they are maligning other Muslims. The truth of the matter is that after so many terrorist attacks the non Muslim Americans have been accusing Muslims for not speaking out against terror and not standing up for loyalty to USA. The campaigns by Ahmadis gave ALL Muslims a good face since westerners don't really know a sunni from an Ahmadi...all they see is "Muslims for Peace." (continued...)
facebook is not banned in Jamaat Ahmadiyya, but are advised to take caution while using facebook especially ladies as uploading media files like photos might be visible to others. In some cases where pictures of ladies who use burqa or veils might be visible to others thus destorying the concept of veil or burqa.
Ahmadiyya Jummat does not need a " Muslim certificate" from any mullah, government or a political assembly. Ahmadiyya jummat is the only sect that follows the Holy Quran according to the teachings of the Holy Prophet Muhammad [ S.A.W] and that's the only thing that's important us. Mullah can use foul language a million times but can never prove from Quran that Ahmadis are wrong.
@Messiah1889 Well said! Ahmadiyyat Zindabad! Reaching the corners of the earth with the human and Godly theme of Love for all hatred for none, and Humanity First!
May God Bless AlJazeera I am Honest To God Electrified By This Program! I never watched this TV Channel Before But noticing the host's and the 2 other co-hosts' commitment to Justic... May God Bless AlJazeera English! Love For All - Hatred For None!
Why should Ahmadi Muslims show themselves as Non Muslims when Islam says they are Muslims?
When Ahmadi Muslims speak about their success they speak so to Thank God for His Grace!
When We speak critically of Non Ahmadi Muslims we NEVER mean the entire Globe of Non Ahmadi Muslims because we speak of Most of them being Peace Desiring.
When we speak critically of them, we mean most of their leaders. Who people now know, Holy Prophet(s) knew too, have "Questionable" Intentions to their duties.
The Holy Prophet(s) once got so upset with a companion(ra) that the companion says that he wished he had not become Muslim before that day! Why did the Holy Prophet(s) get upset? Because the companion(ra) ended up killing an enemy during a battle AFTER he recited the Kalima Decleration of Muslim Faith. The companion(ra) even insisted to the Holy Prophet(s) that he said the Kalima out of fear of death. Even to that the Holy Prophet(s) asked: "Did you cut open his heart?" So who is the gov.?
I don't think it was entirely unfair that Non Ahmadi Muslim opinions did not end up on the screen because... well it was good for a change... Ahmadi Muslim view points are burried and marked irrelevant by many in Pakistan and other Muslim Countries that are violent against the sect.
@idriss0007 Indeed! God Bless you for speaking the pure truth! Ouer motto is love for all hatred for none, peace,harmony,justice, euqality and respect. We have our own very active charity Humanity First as well. The Ahmadiyya Muslim community prayed and send prayers to the Holy Prophet (peaced be upon him) when the two mosques were attacked in Lahore last year.
I am not an ahmadi but i believe we should treat them with justice and kindness.we should not judge who is a muslim and who is not.God knows what is in the hearts,we don't know.
The Aljazeera and the hosts of The Stream deserve congratulation to discuss such a sensitive issue impartially and professionally. Every impartial reader could easily conclude the result of the discussion.
1: Amjad Khan – Good job but need a new microphone and camera.
2: Akbar Ch - Watch the program critically and you’ll realize that you are wasting your energies for the wrong cause. You have all the right to reject ahmadiyyat but please do not try to justify every unjust act of non-Ahmadis.
Wonderful job by Amjad Mahmood Khan to present cogent, logical and dignified responses to the incoherent, arrogant and baseless insults from Akber Chaudhry, who surprisingly justified the violence inflicted upon the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community. Akber does not represent the "mainstream" Muslim viewpoint, as Muslims are much more logical than that.
Wonderful show! Great job to the staff at The Stream for moderating this discussion and helping the truth to be shared.
Ahmadies are Muslim, they belive on all faith of Islam. No one have any right to judge any one Muslim or Non-Muslim. This is direct relationship between man & God. How Pakistan is making law that Ahmadies are not Muslim. Shame on Pakistan & Akbar Chaudhry too
Excellent job done by mr.amjad and Akber why you are unable to convince your family as you said they are ahmadies.
nidaulnasar 3 weeks ago
Akber Choudhry can never prove himself right because he, like all other mainstream Muslims, are well aware that the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community's view is supported by the Holy Quran.
AhmadiMuslimForLife 1 month ago
Great job done by Amjad, Akber tried his best to justify persecution of Ahmadis by quoting different example from around the world but truth is that Ahmadis are peaceful and don't hate anyone because of his faith. Even after facing persecution by Pakistan they are loyal to Pakistan and a role model for other Pakistanis.
bilalmunawar1 7 months ago
@14:02 "When you have a new prophet you branch of to new religion"
How ignorant!!
As holy Quran clearly states In Chapter 36, Yasin 14 , 15, 16, 17
And set forth to them the parabel of a people of the town, when the messengers came to it -14
When we sent to them two messengers, and they rejected them both; So we strengthened them by a third, and they said, "Verily we have been sent to you a messengers" -15
Conclusion
No new religion or name but to reinforce by third.
FightWithPen 7 months ago
whnever sir Akbar dnt find an answer....He starts SMILING so big...=D...
u2atherrr 7 months ago
Mashallah..Amjad Bro did an excellent job..:)
Sir Akbar himself knows that he has no logical answer nd he`s just wasting his time sine a decade or more....he is basically bound to reject nd oppose ahmadiyya since he has left it...May Allah provide him hidayat :)...
Ahmadiyyat zinndabad
u2atherrr 7 months ago
Akber cannot represent the views of Muslims, particularly those in the West, as most Muslims do believe in freedom of religion. As saaqi99 said we don't need Akber's Muslim Identity certificate to be identified as Muslims.
Peaceworld111 7 months ago
Who ever say I am a Muslim, is a Muslim. I do not need Akber ch Muslim identity certificate. Allah is the ultimate Judge.
saaqi99 7 months ago
Congratulations for holding such a wonderful debate on such a sensitive topic. The debate clearly indicates that Ahmadiyya Muslims are working really hard to spread the message of peaceful Islam.
Mr. Akbar chaudhry just launched a train of Allegations and all of them are totally wrong and are just a distraction from the actual debate. I belive there should be more debates like these so that everyone should know who follows a true and peaceful Islam.
Love For All, Hatered for None.
AhmadiyyaMuslims 7 months ago
I wonder if God would refer constitution of Pakistan for decisions? Why on earth it bothers non ahmadi muslims if they think ahmadis r on the wrong path? what scares them?
1ahmadimuslim 7 months ago
Very well presented by Mr.Amjad, definitely his points had weight and the other side had nothing to say. I wonder from where Mr Akbar gets the authority to “give judgement” of who is a muslim and who is not. and i wonder why blunder of Pakistan as a country to declare ahmadis as non muslims is portrayed as if done by all the Muslim countries?
1ahmadimuslim 7 months ago
Wonderful job Amjad! MashAllah this is a great interview.
Safina00 7 months ago
Great programme.
Thank you for the balance and control you showed over a subject that often brings out conflicts.
May I also say that one of your guests said that religion should be separate from business and politics. I disagree.
Religion should be the cause of the highest levels of honesty, integrity and morality which business and politics are sadly much in need of.
waliaqudsia 7 months ago
Good Conversation. Ahmadiyya sect are Muslims. No one has authority to say another as Non Muslims. Well done Amjad Khan.
Basharathahmad 7 months ago
17:13 just look when he says 'No' . I see no shame on his face while laughing. Somebody just ask this guy the definition of a muslim according to Quran and Hadith i bet he would laugh the same way he did now.
samcomposer 7 months ago
One reason when going into details of the "Muslims for Peace" type of campaigns Ahmadis mention that they are Ahmadi Muslim is because they know that their community and its leaders have categorically rejected violence and its on record. When asked about other Muslims, Ahmadis always say that there are many other Muslims who share in this belief. The truth is there are hardly any notable "leaders" of non-Ahmadi Muslims who outright reject such violence.
maighaa 7 months ago
Part 1: Mr. Akbar claimed that simply by announcing themselves as "Muslims for Peace," "Muslims for Loyalty" they are maligning other Muslims. The truth of the matter is that after so many terrorist attacks the non Muslim Americans have been accusing Muslims for not speaking out against terror and not standing up for loyalty to USA. The campaigns by Ahmadis gave ALL Muslims a good face since westerners don't really know a sunni from an Ahmadi...all they see is "Muslims for Peace." (continued...)
maighaa 7 months ago
Good show
arshadsaabuk 7 months ago
I am an Ahmadi Mulsim and I use Facebook!!
Zara2010100 7 months ago 3
@Zara2010100
facebook is not banned in Jamaat Ahmadiyya, but are advised to take caution while using facebook especially ladies as uploading media files like photos might be visible to others. In some cases where pictures of ladies who use burqa or veils might be visible to others thus destorying the concept of veil or burqa.
AhmadiyyaMuslims 7 months ago
Ahmadiyya Jummat does not need a " Muslim certificate" from any mullah, government or a political assembly. Ahmadiyya jummat is the only sect that follows the Holy Quran according to the teachings of the Holy Prophet Muhammad [ S.A.W] and that's the only thing that's important us. Mullah can use foul language a million times but can never prove from Quran that Ahmadis are wrong.
Messiah1889 7 months ago
@Messiah1889 Well said! Ahmadiyyat Zindabad! Reaching the corners of the earth with the human and Godly theme of Love for all hatred for none, and Humanity First!
Zara2010100 7 months ago
Akber's Family is Ahmadi Muslim and they are nice. Dont what happend to Akber sahib.
naddesigns101 7 months ago
May God Bless AlJazeera I am Honest To God Electrified By This Program! I never watched this TV Channel Before But noticing the host's and the 2 other co-hosts' commitment to Justic... May God Bless AlJazeera English! Love For All - Hatred For None!
Ruhamituh 7 months ago 3
Why should Ahmadi Muslims show themselves as Non Muslims when Islam says they are Muslims?
When Ahmadi Muslims speak about their success they speak so to Thank God for His Grace!
When We speak critically of Non Ahmadi Muslims we NEVER mean the entire Globe of Non Ahmadi Muslims because we speak of Most of them being Peace Desiring.
When we speak critically of them, we mean most of their leaders. Who people now know, Holy Prophet(s) knew too, have "Questionable" Intentions to their duties.
Ruhamituh 7 months ago
The Holy Prophet(s) once got so upset with a companion(ra) that the companion says that he wished he had not become Muslim before that day! Why did the Holy Prophet(s) get upset? Because the companion(ra) ended up killing an enemy during a battle AFTER he recited the Kalima Decleration of Muslim Faith. The companion(ra) even insisted to the Holy Prophet(s) that he said the Kalima out of fear of death. Even to that the Holy Prophet(s) asked: "Did you cut open his heart?" So who is the gov.?
Ruhamituh 7 months ago
I don't think it was entirely unfair that Non Ahmadi Muslim opinions did not end up on the screen because... well it was good for a change... Ahmadi Muslim view points are burried and marked irrelevant by many in Pakistan and other Muslim Countries that are violent against the sect.
Ruhamituh 7 months ago
JazakAllah!
mahmoodahmadtoronto 7 months ago
I'm exmuslim in a muslim country and honnestly ahmadya are peaceful and get descriminated by musilms and threatned most of the times.
idriss0007 7 months ago
@idriss0007 Indeed! God Bless you for speaking the pure truth! Ouer motto is love for all hatred for none, peace,harmony,justice, euqality and respect. We have our own very active charity Humanity First as well. The Ahmadiyya Muslim community prayed and send prayers to the Holy Prophet (peaced be upon him) when the two mosques were attacked in Lahore last year.
Zara2010100 7 months ago
Mashallah great job and great interview
cricketersofpakistan 7 months ago
I am not an ahmadi but i believe we should treat them with justice and kindness.we should not judge who is a muslim and who is not.God knows what is in the hearts,we don't know.
book3378 7 months ago
Akber ch could not answer straight forward rather twisting his words.
saaqi99 7 months ago 3
Discussion on Ahmadiyyat starts at 11:07
uatk 7 months ago
The Aljazeera and the hosts of The Stream deserve congratulation to discuss such a sensitive issue impartially and professionally. Every impartial reader could easily conclude the result of the discussion.
1: Amjad Khan – Good job but need a new microphone and camera.
2: Akbar Ch - Watch the program critically and you’ll realize that you are wasting your energies for the wrong cause. You have all the right to reject ahmadiyyat but please do not try to justify every unjust act of non-Ahmadis.
javedch0 7 months ago 33
@javedch0
very well said. i can't agree more.
AhmadiyyaMuslims 7 months ago
Wonderful job by Amjad Mahmood Khan to present cogent, logical and dignified responses to the incoherent, arrogant and baseless insults from Akber Chaudhry, who surprisingly justified the violence inflicted upon the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community. Akber does not represent the "mainstream" Muslim viewpoint, as Muslims are much more logical than that.
Wonderful show! Great job to the staff at The Stream for moderating this discussion and helping the truth to be shared.
hrzafar 7 months ago 38
Ahmadies are Muslim, they belive on all faith of Islam. No one have any right to judge any one Muslim or Non-Muslim. This is direct relationship between man & God. How Pakistan is making law that Ahmadies are not Muslim. Shame on Pakistan & Akbar Chaudhry too
akramkhalid 7 months ago
Alhamdolillah-e-Rabbil Alameen
Allahumma Salle 'Ala Muhammadin Wa Alay Muhammadin wa Barak wa Sallem Innaka Hamid-un-Majeed
tariqkhwaja 7 months ago