10:23 Homeopathy Overdose - Southampton

[davektowner]

Not sure you should have washed it down with water, am I right in thinking more dilution = stronger dose?? I just don't know how all 23 of you are still alive? I have a question, in homeopathy, doesn't water "remember" the active ingredients energy even after its been diluted away? If so surely all the water in the world is one massive cure for everything! So surely no one should need to buy a homeopathic cure as we get daily boosters when we drink, and hence never get ill... its amazing..

[diekontrolleure]

i want to kick boots in the asshole with my boots

[NicolSD]

I want a nice stiff homeopathic Scotch.

[kton555]

I understand people’s skepticism of homeopathy, but why should I care that something, that never claimed to contain chemicals, is unable to elicit a chemical overdose-like reaction. Placebo or not, homeopathic remedies are not supposed to behave like Pharmaceuticals (that is part of their appeal).

[lolzmastur]

@kton555 homeopathy has never been scientifically proven beyond anything but beyond a placebo effect...

[Tschoupi]

Well at least they seem to like the taste of it. Imbeciles.

[fhcnpr]

Last time, they took a Homeopathic sleeping pill. But now, Belladonna 30. I am sure, most of them will have the proving of Belladonna. Belladonna 30 does not contain any molecules of atropine. Hence, they wont have the signs of atropine poisoning. But they will surely have the symptoms of belladonna among the susceptible people. At least 40% will have the symptoms.

One advice to kids: Please do not imitate them by taking any poisonous drugs used in modern medicine.

[CappitranoBellephant]

OH NO! THEY ARE A CULT AND THEY ARE GOING TO COMMIT MASS SUICIDE! DON'T DO IT, DON'T TAKE THAT POISON!!!!!!

Oh wait they're perfectly fine.... ok carry on.

[DrNancyMalik]

Real is scientific homeopathy. It cures even when Conventional Allopathic Medicine (CAM) fails. Evidence-based modern homeopathy is a nano-medicine bringing big results for everyone

[AtheismandSkepticism]

I think the only overdose you may suffer, is an overdose of BS.

[DrNancyMalik]

Real is scientific homeopathy. It cures even when Conventional Allopathic Medicine (CAM) fails. Evidence-based modern homeopathy is a nano-medicine bringing big results for everyone

[CyberSetan]

@DrNancyMalik BuLLCrap~!!

[korvix]

Fucking idiots, no one asks you to buy homoepathy, it is for openminded people that are genualy interested in it.

And it is a miracle, as it helped me cure my anxiety and panic attacks.

Instead of killing my brain with xanax, I'm now anxiety free with just 3 takes of homoepathic remedy

[jeremyg1972]

Bloody brilliant. Boots should stop selling homeopathy. I will try to avoid them in future.

[cristicbz]

The thing is brilliant. What I don't like though is the huge amount of money they must've paid to both Boots and the companies that produce the "medicine".

[sidtube67]

RETARDS! if you drink or eat anything approx. 20 minutes before or after taking homeopathy it does not have any effect. Second, youre not meant to bite it, your meant to keep it under your tongue until it dissolves. Third, the pills only have a concentrated amount of a homeopathic medicine. If you want to overdose, drink a bottle of a homeopathic medicine. And of course there is evidence that it works, for example my family has always used it and it does tend to work...

[tetenterre]

@sidtube67 "if you drink or eat anything approx. 20 minutes before or after taking homeopathy it does not have any effect." Even worse is that it also doesn't work if you take it within 15 days either side of a Full Moon. Oh what fools we were...!

[sidtube67]

@tetenterre wow...you are an idiot. It's not like you have any medical experience. What is in that bottle is literally a drop of a homeopathic medicine. I dare you to drink an actual homeopathic medicine on video. Do it so that "your children and my children don't have to." These people are actually chasing it down with water. Jesus, you just argue about something you know nothing about. This is incredible, I have only taken antibiotics twice in my life. Living evidence that homeopathy works

[tetenterre]

@sidtube67 Thank you so much for your superbly structured, data-rich, logical argument against my contention that homoeopathy is ineffective within 15 days either side of a Full Moon. However, may I correct you on one small point -- you claimed: "I have only taken antibiotics twice in my life. Living evidence that homeopathy works" Actually, no, it isn't. It may add a couple of data points about the efficacy of antibiotics, but it is evidence of exactly nothing with respect to homoeopathy.

[sidtube67]

@tetenterre Actually it implies that I have always taken homeopathy and it's not like I've only been sick twice in my life. So homeopathy does work if you actually knew what it was and how to use it. No point going on strike about something you know nothing about.

[tetenterre]

@sidtube67 "going on strike " Huh? Who (apart from you) said anything about going on strike? Duh. Since irony bounces off you, let me put it straight: #1. Learn (i.e. don't merely assume) about (a) the placebo effect and (b) regression to the mean. #2. Recognise that your logic-free ravings on here render you functionally indistinguishable from a fuckwit. Goodbye.

[sidtube67]

@tetenterre this video is about a fucking strike you tard. And homeopathy is not simply a placebo thats what the whole debate is about, but you people couldn't care to learn how homeopathy works so its like arguing with a tree - nothing goes in. Good job you used some long words, but your still and idiot, ironic isn't it?

[tetenterre]

@sidtube67 "this video is about a fucking strike". Er, no, it isn't about any sort of strike (Clue: I know, I was there). You might find debate more productive if you choose to restrict yourself to the truth instead of inventing "facts". Oops -- my bad -- as you're a homoeopathy apologist, Maier's Law must necessarily be your dictum.

[sidtube67]

@tetenterre wow you were there? get a life. and what do you call a mass of people gathering in protest of something? most people would call that a strike i dont know which planet youre from

[tetenterre]

@sidtube67 Thank you, but I already have a life. I owe you an apology: I forgot to apply Hanlon's Razor.

[sidtube67]

@tetenterre well done, im sure youre very smart. keep preaching against something because it has no scientific evidence, despite there being physical evidence, and keep using long irrelevant words i can tell you feel good about them

[slipcurve]

Why homoeopathy still exists is the same reason why religion still exists. Certain types of will-full ignorance are very persistent in humanity.

[djjefffoard]

Nothing better to do, what a bunch of idiots get a life!!!!!!!!

[Morkindie]

MY GOD, YOU'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!!

No?

Well, good show.

[musicgeniusno1]

Well done, and shame on Boots for selling quackery to the gullible and making money from it. Homeopathy is complete nonsense.

[Nibielari]

what are all you people doing, you have your whole life ahead of you. please don't do it think of the children. oh won't someone please think of the children

[antibunker]

@mohanaturo Your damage control using those cherry picked weak unrepeatable quackery isn't working, you delusional fucking con artist !

[papercut37]

@mohanaturo

"There is some evidence that homeopathic treatments are more effective than placebo; HOWEVER, the strength of this evidence is low because of the LOW METHODOLOGICAL quality of the trials. Studies of high methodological quality were more likely to be NEGATIVE than the lower quality studies. " Cucherat et al 2000

at least read the study your refering too

[Patriol666]

now... these guies are dead. rip

[mohanaturo]

Taylor, M.A. et al. Randomised Controlled Trial of Homoeopathy Versus Placebo in Perennial Allergic Rhinitis with Overview of Four Trial Series, British Medical Journal, 321, pp. 471-476 (2000).

[yevpt]

Just brilliant idea!!

I'm a pharmacist and I I'm so gutted I missed this campaign... I would have loved to have been be there with the protesters

[SaganAppreciationSoc]

Where do they get the lactose  from?

[NiksterFc]

"we're calling on alliance boots to remove its range of homeopathy from its shops and online stores. Why? because we have absolutly nothing better to do with ourselves!" get a grip...and a real job?

[middlj14]

Well done

[etiterum]

maybe Boots is selling fake homeopathy, and that's why it doesn't work. Does anyone know where they produce it?

[gammidgy]

I fear many people misinterpret the skeptics' exercise. The mass overdose was not an experiment in chemistry or human biology, as the physiological outcome was never in doubt to anyone. It is an ongoing experiment in psychology: How much cognitive dissonance can believers in homeopathy endure before their heads burst? How long will they attempt to use logic to refute the findings of logical scientific enquiry?

[edinburghskeptics]

@gammidgy Yes, I've had this argument myself. One chap over on our overdose vid is criticising us for not having a doctor on hand to check the medication beofre and after, that it wasn't under lab conditions etc etc. Its basically a strawman. Ignoring our actually argument and building their own idea of what our position is and then attacking that.

[kevinjohnmorris]

Speak to Madeleine Ennis, Belfast University. She replicated Benveniste's research that showed a bilogical effect using substances that have been diluted to beyond the limit posed by Avigadro's number, as have others.

She started off saying homoeopathy couldn't possibly work and now says she wants to find the mechanism by which it does.

Your prank is ill informed and anti-democratic. You ignore the fact that people choose homoeopathic remedies and that Boots only sells them because they do so.

[irlbinky]

@kevinjohnmorris

wasn't this disproved a little while later? didnt she take part in the test/trial with James Randi on BBC's Horizon episode on homepathy?

how many times has she repeated this test beyond doubt? How may other scientists have repeated her process and got the same results?

[gammidgy]

Madeleine Ennis remains skeptical. She urged others to investigate and when they did they could not replicate her results.

You miss the point entirely, which is that Boots should not be selling these things simply because ill-informed people want them. Pharmacology is not democratic.

[mirgefg]

How exactly is this anti-democratic? Democracy doesn't exclude things from criticism.

No one is saying that Homeopathy should be banned... Just not sold as medicine in a Pharmacy when there is no reliable evidence that it works beyond placebo.

[myownfunnyfarm]

Homeopathy has nothing to do with magic. Even if there´s just the energy of a substance left in the globule you can clearly see a difference in the structure of the water( if you put it in.).And how do they explain that it works on children and! even animals , they don´t know nothing about placebos! My dad is a common doctor and also has a diploma in homeppathy.And! he is one of the most down to earth people i know!So no hokuspokus!!

[crispianjago]

Oh no, it doesn't work on children or animals. Bugger I gave a bottle to my kids and the dog as well. Still they seem fine. Oh and congratulations on discovering that the structure of the water is different, if you show your evidence of that to a real scientist you will be able to win a Nobel prize in physics.

[steviesteveo1]

@myownfunnyfarm Something which relies on the "energy of a substance" sounds a lot like magic to me.

[myownfunnyfarm]

oh an earth magnetism is magic too? then maybe my dad is a wizard and I go to school in hogwarts...

please, before you all judge over me , try it yourself ( with adoctor who has the diploma for homeopathy of course) and see the effect. I don´t want to talk anybody into anything. i know there are lots sceptical people around here. I wouldn´t believe into it too if i haven´t experienced the effects myself. no offence

[steviesteveo1]

@myownfunnyfarm No, magnetism isn't magic, it's a physical force. I thought everyone knew this?

[myownfunnyfarm]

0.o

[irlbinky]

ok i am getting slighttly confused. does water remember the substance that was in it remember the energy of the substances in it? How can i measure this energy level? If it is based on energies does each substance that can be added to the water have a unique number? if I Flouride is say 1, and calcium is 2 and what the hell arnica has 3 how does the water know the 1+2 from water treatment isnt meant to arnica to treat my bad bruising?

[gammidgy]

Where's the proof it works on animals? Go on, google it. I have. All the reports of well-designed studies into veterinary homeopathy show no discernible benefit.

[myownfunnyfarm]

I can proof it because it worked on my pets. I´m not lying . Why should I? My cat sufferd from hepatitis my bunny from bronchial pneumonia. A patient of my dad braught his dog who ate snow all the time and got a diharroe because of that. all of the animals are completely cured. I made the experience that hp works even better with animals than hmans. *lol*

[gammidgy]

Oh please! It always comes back to anecdotes with you homeopaths.

Look, in any single case you cannot be sure it was homeopathy wot done it. Ever heard of Regression to the Mean? It means people (and animals) usually get better. Then there is misdiagnosis. Hard to rule that out in one or two cases. The only meaningful proof is from a large sample and an unbiased (preferably blinded) observer.

[myownfunnyfarm]

What???I cant be sure ? Then what do you think cured my pets from their illness? The holy ghost or something? Hepatitis and pneumonias are illnesness where animals (an humans ) die without any  treatment!!! Actually my dad is my homeopath. And I can bring you hundreds of anecdotes where HP helped people.We get presents from our patiens (beside their payment) because they are so thankfull.But please let the pharma industries destroy your body if you want. I don´t fucking care!!

[edinburghskeptics]

"And I can bring you hundreds of anecdotes"

The more I discuss with the Alt. Med lot, the more convinced I become that they don't actually know what an anecdote is and why it is flawed.

[SaganAppreciationSoc]

@myownfunnyfarm

Using homeopathy instead of real meds, and taking your animals to a real vet is a crime where I come from. Rightly so.

Your anecdotal impression isn't "proof". You need large samples done by real medical researchers to determine efficacy.

[mirgefg]

"My dad is a common doctor and he says Homeopathy is total bunk. And he is one of the most down to earth people I know....." It's called an appeal to authority.  A logical fallacy: It contributes nothing towards a position and is generally used when an argument is weak.

[Minttzz]

"Homeopathy has nothing to do with magic."

O RLY - then by what non-magical process is it supposed to work? There is no possible mechanism by which it could work and any argument based on the idea that the water has a memory of the substance on the label is refuted because it ignored the billion&1 other things the water molecules have been in contact with since the formation of the oceans, including dinosaur poo.

You're in the world of pseudoscience when you speak of energy in the context.

[Harabeck]

@myownfunnyfarm

Homeopathy doesn't work. Numerous studies have been conducted and the scientific consensus is that it's BS. There is no "energy of a substance" to be left in a globule. And any alterations in the structure of water due to another substance mixed in with disappear as soon as you remove that substance. Further, that alteration in the structure would not carry the effects of the active ingredient. If your father was "down to earth" he would require evidence, and there is none.

[Szakalot]

@myownfunnyfarm

your ignorance is only surpassed by your arrogance.

Placebo is not an effect that works only when you know it. Actually, knowing the placebo effect will reduce its effectivveness.

Just because your daddy is a doctor, does not mean he is right

[tetenterre]

@myownfunnyfarm "you can clearly see a difference in the structure of the water( if you put it in.)." Really? How incredible! Please tell me how I can see this "difference in the structure of the water"; I'd love to see this for myself.

[TheBigRMeister]

@myownfunnyfarm "My dad is nice, therefore homeopathy works!"

[FreePlay]

@myownfunnyfarm You don't need to know what a placebo is for it to work. Placebos _do_ work on animals and infants.

[guidi2005]

@FreePlay If parents want to give their children placebo's thats fine, but nobody should be making money off of it

[Vampified]

@myownfunnyfarm A Diploma in Homoeopathy? Cool, I have a PhD in Astrology!

[punkonater]

@myownfunnyfarm

please submit your double-blind study on how when substances are fully removed from water that they still leave "energy" behind.

clearly you don't understand chemistry or physics beyond a kindergarten level.

[andreacro]

@myownfunnyfarm your dad has a diploma in baloney.

[ssr1234rss]

idiots

[zeno2712]

Why?

[youcutmelegoff]

I would take homeopathy, but I dont believe in magic.

[Answersinbooks]

Well done everyone :)

[edinburghskeptics]

Deleted previous comment as I missread a comment before ot!

Anyway, well done guys. We had a good turn out up here and got a good reaction.

[Ygern]

Well done, guys!

[stevebritgimp]

Brilliant stuff, people. Was lucky no one washed it down with water, else the effects would have been magnified.

[IIIlllIIllllIIlll]

@stevebritgimp

one guy did wash it down with water

the guy with the black jacket

[thomasthavalathil]

Well done Skeptics! I wish I was back in the UK.

[macronencer]

Well done everyone! I wanted to come along but couldn't make it, so I'm pleased to see the turn-out was good. I think that final comment about lack of information in consumer choice says it all. Customers buying products they don't fully understand for medical reasons are customers being misled, in my opinion.

[MrNobody808]

LOLing at 1:30 - 1:40. DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME!!! If there is nothing in it, why not try it?

What does it matter to you guys what people spend their money on? I think bottled water is the biggest con on the planet, but i wouldn't protest against Evian for producing it, or Tesco for selling it. If people want to spent their money on frivolous nonsense then that is up to them. It's got heehaw to do with me.

[skepticat1]

The point is that Boots aren't being honest about it being frivolous nonsense. Bottled water is being sold as bottled water. Sugar pills are being sold as a remedy and people believe it because they don't realise they contain no trace of what it says on the bottle and there is nothing else on the package that tells them straight.

The point of the protest is to raise public awareness of what homeopathy is. Or isn't.

[antibunker]

@skepticat1 That makes Boots fraudulent and they ought to be charged or just flat out shut down.

[Dimbnd]

Because you have to be absolutely sure that what you are swallowing is infact safe. As long as you are using homeopathic remedies, this is probably the case, but I wouldn't suggest buying a random homeopathic drug and swallowing the bottle... Just because it's all fake, doesn't mean it's all safe.

The second question is answered in the video: We want to be able to expect from a pharmacy to only sell real medicine.

[MrNobody808]

Where would you draw the line with this ban? Some people swear that lemon tea and honey soothes the symptoms of a cold, and products like Lemsip, which aren't marketed as homeopathic, are sold in chemists, and they have little or no effect on the common cold.

I really doubt that there are many people out there who rely solely upon homeopathic remedies. Most people who use them would do so along side proven medicines.

[Dimbnd]

You're wrong on this point. Some people really believe it works, and guess why? Because they got it in a drug store. Not everyone is equipped to think that critically, and will think that if something is being sold in a drug store, it probably i a proper drug.

Where would I draw the line? Drugs should be clinically tested. Proper, scientific double blind test. Anything that isn't approved by this method, has no place in a pharmacy.

[steviesteveo1]

@MrNobody808 Lemsip's fine because, if you say you soothe the symptoms of a cold and you include yummy anti inflammatory painkillers, something to get a raised temperature down and you can show that your product does what you say it does then that's fine. Lemsip never says that it cures the common cold, just that it'll soothe your cold and flu symptoms.

[jomymathew99]

thank god homeopathy becoming popular again through idiots..........

[Minttzz]

There's nothing in it.

[jomymathew99]

3 idots no 300 idiots.........

[HampshireSkeptics]

I think I'm still alive :-)

[msjhaffey]

I'm a 10:23 survivor ... golly that was frightening

[outboundliving]

good work all you Hampshire Skeptics! Possibly "I love arsenic" should become a motto.

[mauve1980]

Damn, we look good!

[tetenterre]

@mauve1980 Damn, we do!!! :-)

[dlcu38]

Genius :)

[thesuburbanpirate]

good video

well done guys

[Geekie99]

Awesome. Jealous

[briang2000]

Wait, I saw someone drink water - Isn't that mixing medications!?

[mauve1980]

@briang2000 That just makes the magic stronger.

[steviesteveo1]

You really might as well grind up a couple of crystals and a wand at this point.