I think this is only telling one side of the story. The other side of the story is the cost savings in health care resulting from people making healthier lifestyle decisions. I really like this mandate because it makes for more informed consumers, which are requisite in a free market. There may not be a lot of people demanding it now, but that's because the expectation isn't there.
3: Isn't it up to the FDA to make the details of how this will be implemented?
4: How will pizza hut handle this? They face the same problems and I doubt they'll sit back and go along with regulations that cost them 100 million dollars each time they use a different type of oregano.
The Health and Human Services Secretary (FDA) has been tasked with fleshing out this law. They will set the deadline for compliance as well as many other specifics such as size and font required for the calories, specific language required on the menus, allowable margin of error (for variations in preparation between cooks), etc. These details will largely determine how useful or useless the information is for consumers and how oppressive it will be.
Pizza Hut and Domino's are predominantly delivery businesses and have virtually no eat-in restaurants anymore, hence no menu boards and printed menus. If they are forced to comply, they will likely do so on their web pages, something that we (because we have sit down restaurants won't be allowed to do).
Pizza Hut and Domino's are predominantly delivery businesses and have virtually no eat-in restaurants anymore, hence no menu boards and printed menus. If they are forced to comply, they will likely do so on their web pages, something that we (because we have sit down restaurants won't be allowed to do).
Pizza Hut and Domino's are predominantly delivery businesses and have virtually no eat-in restaurants anymore, hence no menu boards and printed menus. If they are forced to comply, they will likely do so on their web pages, something that we (because we have sit down restaurants won't be allowed to do).
@kenschelper Every Pizza Hut and Dominoes I've been to has a take out menu so they'll certainly face these problems. Its really no different than burger places and their billions of possible combinations. Anyways, how is this to be enforced?
yes, i like big corporations, they started out small, played by the laws, and got bigger due to innovation and being better than the little mom and pop companies that are going nowhere.
if a company is too timid to follow the law and innovate accordingly, it should fail.
@LLORT3 Really? Most 'big corporations' were founded on big money.. few started out small. Most corporations that did start out small, started at least a century ago and exploited small wages. Now those corporations still exploit small wages by outsourcing most of their employment to other countries, while barely appeasing domestic employment as a 'service' industry. It takes domestic consumer money to pay for the fatcats and foreign work, instead of manufacturing domestically.
None of the idiot's in this Administration have run a store, met a payroll, had to acccount for their accounting. And the real world after the legislation has been passed
LLORT3 do you really think this mandate is going to make anyone healthier? Do you really think that the obesity in this country is because people don't know how many calories they are eating or because we have become a sedentary society? I'll give you a hint - consumers eat most of their meals at home and not in restaurants. All retail foods have had nutritional labeling since 1990. Are we more or less obese in 2010 than we were in 1990?
This isn't going to be much of a problem for large chains like McDonald's, which do this sort of thing already - but for the small business looking to expand from 19 to 20 stores, the cost of opening a new store and complying with the regulations could exceed the revenue-generating capability. That's dozens of employees that don't get hired, multiplied by tens of thousands of businesses across the country. Yet another artificial choke on the economy. Way to go, statists.
How is this mandate Constitutional. In this example Davannis only has stores in MN. There is no interstate commerce and if there was it would still be a stretch of the interstate commerce clause.
I hope that conservatives seize the crisis that is Obama to roll back the federal power creep! Remember never waste a good crisis!
@LLORT3 LOL You think people will actually read the calorie content? You think a gov't mandated printed calorie count will 'Keep Us Healthy'? Was that your unicorn in the video?
educating people in poorer communities where they cannot afford more than processed fast foods, which cause cancer and other diseases, is a good thing, and ultimately it helps them make better decisions...er i mean OH NOEZ SOCIALISM!!!1111
Anything? Forced starvation will make people less fat. Putting people in camps and feeding them only bread and water will make them less fat as well. Good to know you would be ok with either of those options.
To address your point: the end result of this will actually INCREASE the processed fast foods in poorer communities as the only food suppliers that will be able to afford this mandate are massive franchises with static menu items. Other restaurants will close down locations to get under the 20 limit. If you are only going to have a maximum of 19 locations how many would you put into "poor" areas? NONE. They will all go to the richest locations possible to make the most money.
That is an idiotic statement. SInce when are restaurants in the education business? Next, they'll mandate that all servers have degrees in nutrition, just in case the customer is (a) illiterate, (b) non-English-speaking, (c) blind.
Will the info have to be printed in Spanish and braille? Will the server be required to READ the info to the customer if he can't read? It's all ridiculous.
Changing society, my ass. This is government control run-amok.
like i have said before, a company that cannot innovate and succeed in the modern, changing world will not be able to sustain itself.
businesses must not have their hands held or be coddled or enabled to hurt its customers. as a republican i believe in the rule of law, and that businesses, which must be supported from a distance, must never be interfered with via government intervention.
on the same token i think consumers should be protected. this is a good policy imho.
@LLORT3 This isn't consumer protection, this is retarded policies that benefit very few to noone. It's pandering to 'coddling' stupid people with a magic wand. A person who eats above and beyond what they should are the 'obese' ones. It has nothing to do with calorie count, it has to do with excess. It has to do with not taking care of oneself with any sort of exercise. Hell, you can eat bad every day in moderation and not be obese, it's when it's excessive that obesity occurs.
i actually agree with you here; personal irresponsibility is a large factor in USA's obesity problem, and the greedy culture of "bigger is better" needs to change as a whole.
but while we scary centrists try to change that culture, we need to focus on policies that will make a difference for those whose only option, due to their low income, is to eat processed foods.
let's not beat around the bush, we're talking about helping blacks, which is not popular in rightwing politics.
@LLORT3 WTF?!? I think you're hanging out at the wrong bush! What in GOD'S NAME does race have to do with it?!?! There are PLENTY of both poor AND obese white people!! When you say it's about helping blacks, what, are you insinuating that whites have some genetic aptitude for calorie count and that blacks are born with genes that program them to only know bad rap music and mcdonald's?! WTF? It's actually CHEAPER to buy produce and cook then to buy fast food. It's LAZINESS, which leads to obesity
@LLORT3 And you obviously have no grasp of what 'innovation', 'success' and 'changing world' means, so go stop pretending. What are you, 12? Do you have any contact with reality, or are you just seriously this mentally retarded? I bet you have no real education on how things really work. You're seriously just a troll who argues for the sake of arguing. How pathetic. I'm not going to waste any more time on you.. You really have no idea what it's like for small businesses in this world.
@LLORT3 That's priceless, you calling me a troll, and trumping yourself as a messenger. "Right, right, somebody said aliens, you thought they said illegal aliens and signed up!" You haven't provided any sort of coherent argument and left nothing BUT yourself to attack! You really are delusional.
Funny, most republicans believe in the market. If we aren't listening to our customers and responsive to their needs, we don't stay in business. We have been successful for 35 years by doing just that. Whether it is nutritional information, preparing special food for people with allergies, being eco-friendly, or just providing good food at good prices with good service, people vote either for us or against us with their dollars every time they decide where to go eat.
@LLORT3 You missed the point borsch-for-brains. All the nutritional info is printed on a giant Hershey's candy bar. Does the print automatically make a person healthier? No. If you go into a pizza joint with the intention of eating a pizza, what are the chances of something printed making you healthier? You're still going to eat the pizza if that's what you're there for, so how does the print make you healthier? It doesn't. It only makes companies spend themselves to death like the gov't.
@LLORT3 So, if gov't mandates new rules that you have to have a chip implanted in your arm with all of your personal data, financial data, a tracking device, and a health meter that will shock you if you sway from a strict health standard created by the 'Health Committee', then you have no problem with these new rules? If so, let me know, I could use a new wool sweater...
@LLORT3 Stop saying you're a republican. You aren't. I'm not sure what political category you fall into, but it certainly isn't a republican. I asked you a simple question because you said you'll follow 'the rules'. They are making up new rules for people to follow and I'm simply asking, if they made those new 'rules', would you follow it?
@LLORT3 - What an completely idiotic statement. What about the people making the rules? Shouldn't the rules they impose on businesses make freaking sense? This stupid rule is going to cost this small business 30 GRAND! And for what? Nothing! What if they make a rule that says they also have to print their menu in every language? You cool with that too moron?
any company that must pay the full 30k to change its menus should go out of business. no american in their right mind would take their business to a company that doesn't know how to innovate with new technologies and knowledge of new diseases.
@LLORT3, this idiotic mandate does NOTHING towards keeping us healthy. It imposes extreme costs on restaurants, makes them unable to innovate ($30,000 in printing costs if they want to make a change as minor as switching mayonnaise brands), and turns eating out from an enjoyable experience to an annoying, in-your-face nanny state experience. Most dieters learn calorie counts early on. Knowing the calorie count of a food does nothing to affect one's appetite or desire for it.
@LLORT3, incorrect. I have lived in an inner city. If people don't like fast food restaurants, they don't have to eat there. Many don't. You can make cheap healthy meals based around rice, beans and cheap vegetables (frozen if you can't get fresh).
The idea that forcing fast food restaurants to print calories counts will create better health is laughable.
Why don't libs start the "Good Food Project," a charity that opens quality supermarkets with in-store dining in poor neighborhoods?
first of all i vote republican, because i believe in business. i believe if a company cannot sustain itself and grow its customer base as time moves forward and new knowledge informs us of new diseases and threats to our health and economic security, then those businesses should fail on their own.
if a business is too cheap to follow the law and innovate its way around tough ones, it will fail and must not be bailed out.
@LLORT3 You're confusing uninnovative companies with bad products and poor customer skills with regulations. Yes, if a company has a lousy product and poor marketing and customer relation skills, it deserves to fail. It does not deserve to fail if the gov't mandates 30,000+ in new costs, therefore passing the costs onto consumers, who then won't buy it because it's a higher price than the cheapo-crappo product made in China for pennies sold by a big corporation.
@LLORT3 Not paying much attention, eh? That's the price that was cited whenever they have to adjust the large menus to cover the research of the content AND the menus for ALL of their stores. Each time even a minor change is made in ingredients, they have to pay it again. So you're saying the companies are stupid and should fail for having to pay an unnecessary large fee to replace its menus, but the new 'rule' forcing companies to comply isn't stupid? You are completely ass-backwards.
@LLORT3 Your 'guess'? Oh, ok, I'll rely on you then. Not from someone who actually paid to have their menus made in the first place.. WHEN THEY BUILT THEIR STORES! So tell me, oh Magic Sage of Wonderland, how much DOES it cost? Go on.. tell me. Maybe you'll have a better option, like writing menus on notebook paper with scribbled out updates? Innovative! Professional, too! Or maybe outsource it all to China! Tell us YOUR innovative ideas AND the cost, then!
@LLORT3 I absolutely did not pull the number of 30K out of thin air. It is exactly what it costs us to redo the menu panels (4 or 5 per location x 21 locations) and to reprint our catering and take-out menus. And by the way we have been a very successful business for 35 years - that's quite a few heartbeats. You are arguing from emotion, but without much of a handle on reality.
@LLORT3 I absolutely did not pull the number of 30K out of thin air. It is exactly what it costs us to redo the menu panels (4 or 5 per location x 21 locations) and to reprint our catering and take-out menus. And by the way we have been a very successful business for 35 years - that's quite a few heartbeats. You are arguing from emotion, but without much of a handle on reality.
@LLORT3 I absolutely did not pull the number of 30K out of thin air. It is exactly what it costs us to redo the menu panels (4 or 5 per location x 21 locations) and to reprint our catering and take-out menus. And by the way we have been a very successful business for 35 years - that's quite a few heartbeats. You are arguing from emotion, but without much of a handle on reality.
Wrong it was not "pulled out of thin air". It is what it actually cost us the last time we had to redo the menu panels (4 or 5 per location x 21 locations) and to reprint our catering and take-out menus. It does not include any administrative costs.
@LLORT3, the Obama administration has almost no members from the private sector. Some are openly hostile to business, considering it greedy and apparently not recognizing that without business (people creating and exchanging goods and services in the marketplace), there is no wealth.
Running a business in theory is very different from actually running a business. The members of Obama's cabinet have no business experience. They will destroy businesses and wealth. Some of them intend to do that.
i disagree; that kind of rhetoric sounds like a talking point. i'm a republican but i think obama is pretty centrist. yes he supported bush's bailouts of big corporations, which i adamantly opposed, as i think corporations should be allowed to fail on their own.
if his policies do end up destroying businesses and wealth, we only have ourselves to blame for voting for like-minded, but well-intentioned republicans like bush and mccain.
@LLORT3 I take it you're a fattie, too, then? After all you said we're a country full of fatties.. oh wait.. so you aren't a fattie? So there are exceptions? Oh, then just how MANY 'fatties' are there? You DO realize that Africa has a higher rate of obesity than America, right?
I think this is only telling one side of the story. The other side of the story is the cost savings in health care resulting from people making healthier lifestyle decisions. I really like this mandate because it makes for more informed consumers, which are requisite in a free market. There may not be a lot of people demanding it now, but that's because the expectation isn't there.
Jebusankel 1 year ago
1: Doesn't this take effect in a few years?
2: Aren't custom orders exempt?
3: Isn't it up to the FDA to make the details of how this will be implemented?
4: How will pizza hut handle this? They face the same problems and I doubt they'll sit back and go along with regulations that cost them 100 million dollars each time they use a different type of oregano.
raunchbear 1 year ago
@raunchbear
Answers to your questions:
The Health and Human Services Secretary (FDA) has been tasked with fleshing out this law. They will set the deadline for compliance as well as many other specifics such as size and font required for the calories, specific language required on the menus, allowable margin of error (for variations in preparation between cooks), etc. These details will largely determine how useful or useless the information is for consumers and how oppressive it will be.
kenschelper 1 year ago
@raunchbear
Answer to question 4:
Pizza Hut and Domino's are predominantly delivery businesses and have virtually no eat-in restaurants anymore, hence no menu boards and printed menus. If they are forced to comply, they will likely do so on their web pages, something that we (because we have sit down restaurants won't be allowed to do).
kenschelper 1 year ago
@raunchbear
Answer to question 4:
Pizza Hut and Domino's are predominantly delivery businesses and have virtually no eat-in restaurants anymore, hence no menu boards and printed menus. If they are forced to comply, they will likely do so on their web pages, something that we (because we have sit down restaurants won't be allowed to do).
kenschelper 1 year ago
@raunchbear
Answer to question 4:
Pizza Hut and Domino's are predominantly delivery businesses and have virtually no eat-in restaurants anymore, hence no menu boards and printed menus. If they are forced to comply, they will likely do so on their web pages, something that we (because we have sit down restaurants won't be allowed to do).
kenschelper 1 year ago
@kenschelper Every Pizza Hut and Dominoes I've been to has a take out menu so they'll certainly face these problems. Its really no different than burger places and their billions of possible combinations. Anyways, how is this to be enforced?
raunchbear 1 year ago
@ LLORT3 haha....so LLORT3 is all about big corporations...who will be able to play by these new rules a lot easier?
Runner1129 1 year ago
@Runner1129
yes, i like big corporations, they started out small, played by the laws, and got bigger due to innovation and being better than the little mom and pop companies that are going nowhere.
if a company is too timid to follow the law and innovate accordingly, it should fail.
LLORT3 1 year ago
@LLORT3 Really? Most 'big corporations' were founded on big money.. few started out small. Most corporations that did start out small, started at least a century ago and exploited small wages. Now those corporations still exploit small wages by outsourcing most of their employment to other countries, while barely appeasing domestic employment as a 'service' industry. It takes domestic consumer money to pay for the fatcats and foreign work, instead of manufacturing domestically.
cyryc 1 year ago
None of the idiot's in this Administration have run a store, met a payroll, had to acccount for their accounting. And the real world after the legislation has been passed
btwall60 1 year ago
UNCONSTITUTIONAL !
Anyone can find out the caloric content of what they eat. You can find such information on the internet and DO THE MATH yourself.
Vote out all Statist knumbskulls.
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kenschelper 1 year ago
LLORT3 do you really think this mandate is going to make anyone healthier? Do you really think that the obesity in this country is because people don't know how many calories they are eating or because we have become a sedentary society? I'll give you a hint - consumers eat most of their meals at home and not in restaurants. All retail foods have had nutritional labeling since 1990. Are we more or less obese in 2010 than we were in 1990?
kenschelper 1 year ago
@kenschelper
yes i do, virtually all studies have shown a reduction in heart disease in areas where things like this, smoking bans, etc have been in place.
LLORT3 1 year ago
This isn't going to be much of a problem for large chains like McDonald's, which do this sort of thing already - but for the small business looking to expand from 19 to 20 stores, the cost of opening a new store and complying with the regulations could exceed the revenue-generating capability. That's dozens of employees that don't get hired, multiplied by tens of thousands of businesses across the country. Yet another artificial choke on the economy. Way to go, statists.
robotguy 1 year ago
How is this mandate Constitutional. In this example Davannis only has stores in MN. There is no interstate commerce and if there was it would still be a stretch of the interstate commerce clause.
I hope that conservatives seize the crisis that is Obama to roll back the federal power creep! Remember never waste a good crisis!
swansontv 1 year ago 8
Exactly the kind of BS that damages businesses while employing more federal workers to enforce the BS.
bigvoodoo 1 year ago
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damn consumer protections keeping us healthy...SOCIALISM!
LLORT3 1 year ago
@LLORT3 LOL You think people will actually read the calorie content? You think a gov't mandated printed calorie count will 'Keep Us Healthy'? Was that your unicorn in the video?
cyryc 1 year ago
@cyryc
anything to make americans less fat is good by me
educating people in poorer communities where they cannot afford more than processed fast foods, which cause cancer and other diseases, is a good thing, and ultimately it helps them make better decisions...er i mean OH NOEZ SOCIALISM!!!1111
LLORT3 1 year ago
@LLORT3
Anything? Forced starvation will make people less fat. Putting people in camps and feeding them only bread and water will make them less fat as well. Good to know you would be ok with either of those options.
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arcvoid 1 year ago
@LLORT3
To address your point: the end result of this will actually INCREASE the processed fast foods in poorer communities as the only food suppliers that will be able to afford this mandate are massive franchises with static menu items. Other restaurants will close down locations to get under the 20 limit. If you are only going to have a maximum of 19 locations how many would you put into "poor" areas? NONE. They will all go to the richest locations possible to make the most money.
arcvoid 1 year ago 3
@arcvoid
i think restaurants that cannot sustain themselves in a changing society with new laws deserve to fail
LLORT3 1 year ago
@LLORT3 Oh so you're all about Corporatism, then? Wow, what a shmuck!
cyryc 1 year ago
@LLORT3
That is an idiotic statement. SInce when are restaurants in the education business? Next, they'll mandate that all servers have degrees in nutrition, just in case the customer is (a) illiterate, (b) non-English-speaking, (c) blind.
Will the info have to be printed in Spanish and braille? Will the server be required to READ the info to the customer if he can't read? It's all ridiculous.
Changing society, my ass. This is government control run-amok.
19liz53 1 year ago
@19liz53
like i have said before, a company that cannot innovate and succeed in the modern, changing world will not be able to sustain itself.
businesses must not have their hands held or be coddled or enabled to hurt its customers. as a republican i believe in the rule of law, and that businesses, which must be supported from a distance, must never be interfered with via government intervention.
on the same token i think consumers should be protected. this is a good policy imho.
LLORT3 1 year ago
@LLORT3 This isn't consumer protection, this is retarded policies that benefit very few to noone. It's pandering to 'coddling' stupid people with a magic wand. A person who eats above and beyond what they should are the 'obese' ones. It has nothing to do with calorie count, it has to do with excess. It has to do with not taking care of oneself with any sort of exercise. Hell, you can eat bad every day in moderation and not be obese, it's when it's excessive that obesity occurs.
cyryc 1 year ago
@cyryc
i actually agree with you here; personal irresponsibility is a large factor in USA's obesity problem, and the greedy culture of "bigger is better" needs to change as a whole.
but while we scary centrists try to change that culture, we need to focus on policies that will make a difference for those whose only option, due to their low income, is to eat processed foods.
let's not beat around the bush, we're talking about helping blacks, which is not popular in rightwing politics.
LLORT3 1 year ago
@LLORT3 WTF?!? I think you're hanging out at the wrong bush! What in GOD'S NAME does race have to do with it?!?! There are PLENTY of both poor AND obese white people!! When you say it's about helping blacks, what, are you insinuating that whites have some genetic aptitude for calorie count and that blacks are born with genes that program them to only know bad rap music and mcdonald's?! WTF? It's actually CHEAPER to buy produce and cook then to buy fast food. It's LAZINESS, which leads to obesity
cyryc 1 year ago
@LLORT3 And you obviously have no grasp of what 'innovation', 'success' and 'changing world' means, so go stop pretending. What are you, 12? Do you have any contact with reality, or are you just seriously this mentally retarded? I bet you have no real education on how things really work. You're seriously just a troll who argues for the sake of arguing. How pathetic. I'm not going to waste any more time on you.. You really have no idea what it's like for small businesses in this world.
cyryc 1 year ago
@cyryc
attacking the messenger when you have no argument...the sign of intellectual defeat. have a good day, troll.
LLORT3 1 year ago
@LLORT3 That's priceless, you calling me a troll, and trumping yourself as a messenger. "Right, right, somebody said aliens, you thought they said illegal aliens and signed up!" You haven't provided any sort of coherent argument and left nothing BUT yourself to attack! You really are delusional.
cyryc 1 year ago 3
@LLORT3 You are a massive trolling loser Libtard! XD
Deeked 1 year ago
@LLORT3
Funny, most republicans believe in the market. If we aren't listening to our customers and responsive to their needs, we don't stay in business. We have been successful for 35 years by doing just that. Whether it is nutritional information, preparing special food for people with allergies, being eco-friendly, or just providing good food at good prices with good service, people vote either for us or against us with their dollars every time they decide where to go eat.
kenschelper 1 year ago
@LLORT3 You missed the point borsch-for-brains. All the nutritional info is printed on a giant Hershey's candy bar. Does the print automatically make a person healthier? No. If you go into a pizza joint with the intention of eating a pizza, what are the chances of something printed making you healthier? You're still going to eat the pizza if that's what you're there for, so how does the print make you healthier? It doesn't. It only makes companies spend themselves to death like the gov't.
cyryc 1 year ago 2
@LLORT3 listing calories is a "consumer protection"? You're not really that simple-minded to think this will do anything but damage business are you?
bigvoodoo 1 year ago
@bigvoodoo
if a business cannot play by the rules, it does not deserve to play.
LLORT3 1 year ago
@LLORT3 WTF.. ok you have got to just be a troll.. seriously, you can't be THIS detached from reality.. can you?
cyryc 1 year ago
@LLORT3 Are you assuming none of the rules are bullshit?
MooseOfReason 1 year ago
@MooseOfReason
rules are rules, as a republican i believe in the rules
LLORT3 1 year ago
@LLORT3 So, if gov't mandates new rules that you have to have a chip implanted in your arm with all of your personal data, financial data, a tracking device, and a health meter that will shock you if you sway from a strict health standard created by the 'Health Committee', then you have no problem with these new rules? If so, let me know, I could use a new wool sweater...
cyryc 1 year ago 2
@cyryc
because clearly that's what's called for in a federal menu law. it's rhetoric like this that makes me embarrassed to be a republican. :-{
LLORT3 1 year ago
@LLORT3 Stop saying you're a republican. You aren't. I'm not sure what political category you fall into, but it certainly isn't a republican. I asked you a simple question because you said you'll follow 'the rules'. They are making up new rules for people to follow and I'm simply asking, if they made those new 'rules', would you follow it?
cyryc 1 year ago
@LLORT3 - What an completely idiotic statement. What about the people making the rules? Shouldn't the rules they impose on businesses make freaking sense? This stupid rule is going to cost this small business 30 GRAND! And for what? Nothing! What if they make a rule that says they also have to print their menu in every language? You cool with that too moron?
bigvoodoo 1 year ago 2
@bigvoodoo
any company that must pay the full 30k to change its menus should go out of business. no american in their right mind would take their business to a company that doesn't know how to innovate with new technologies and knowledge of new diseases.
LLORT3 1 year ago
@LLORT3 What? Go back and read what I wrote. Then read what you wrote. bi-polar much?
bigvoodoo 1 year ago
@LLORT3, this idiotic mandate does NOTHING towards keeping us healthy. It imposes extreme costs on restaurants, makes them unable to innovate ($30,000 in printing costs if they want to make a change as minor as switching mayonnaise brands), and turns eating out from an enjoyable experience to an annoying, in-your-face nanny state experience. Most dieters learn calorie counts early on. Knowing the calorie count of a food does nothing to affect one's appetite or desire for it.
caraclaudel 1 year ago
@caraclaudel
i think you have never lived in an inner city where exploitation of poor people by processed food services are pretty commonplace
all this would do is make sure businesses comply with the law. if they don't like it they can move to another country full of fatties, good luck tho
LLORT3 1 year ago
@LLORT3, incorrect. I have lived in an inner city. If people don't like fast food restaurants, they don't have to eat there. Many don't. You can make cheap healthy meals based around rice, beans and cheap vegetables (frozen if you can't get fresh).
The idea that forcing fast food restaurants to print calories counts will create better health is laughable.
Why don't libs start the "Good Food Project," a charity that opens quality supermarkets with in-store dining in poor neighborhoods?
caraclaudel 1 year ago
@caraclaudel
first of all i vote republican, because i believe in business. i believe if a company cannot sustain itself and grow its customer base as time moves forward and new knowledge informs us of new diseases and threats to our health and economic security, then those businesses should fail on their own.
if a business is too cheap to follow the law and innovate its way around tough ones, it will fail and must not be bailed out.
LLORT3 1 year ago
@LLORT3 You're confusing uninnovative companies with bad products and poor customer skills with regulations. Yes, if a company has a lousy product and poor marketing and customer relation skills, it deserves to fail. It does not deserve to fail if the gov't mandates 30,000+ in new costs, therefore passing the costs onto consumers, who then won't buy it because it's a higher price than the cheapo-crappo product made in China for pennies sold by a big corporation.
cyryc 1 year ago 2
@cyryc
again, if a company has to spend 30k to fix its menus, then clearly it is too stupid to carry on in the modern economy.
LLORT3 1 year ago
@LLORT3 Not paying much attention, eh? That's the price that was cited whenever they have to adjust the large menus to cover the research of the content AND the menus for ALL of their stores. Each time even a minor change is made in ingredients, they have to pay it again. So you're saying the companies are stupid and should fail for having to pay an unnecessary large fee to replace its menus, but the new 'rule' forcing companies to comply isn't stupid? You are completely ass-backwards.
cyryc 1 year ago
@cyryc
like i said above, any company that requires 30k to fix its menus will go out of business in a heartbeat.
my guess is this 30k figure was pulled out of thin air.
LLORT3 1 year ago
@LLORT3 Your 'guess'? Oh, ok, I'll rely on you then. Not from someone who actually paid to have their menus made in the first place.. WHEN THEY BUILT THEIR STORES! So tell me, oh Magic Sage of Wonderland, how much DOES it cost? Go on.. tell me. Maybe you'll have a better option, like writing menus on notebook paper with scribbled out updates? Innovative! Professional, too! Or maybe outsource it all to China! Tell us YOUR innovative ideas AND the cost, then!
cyryc 1 year ago
@LLORT3 I absolutely did not pull the number of 30K out of thin air. It is exactly what it costs us to redo the menu panels (4 or 5 per location x 21 locations) and to reprint our catering and take-out menus. And by the way we have been a very successful business for 35 years - that's quite a few heartbeats. You are arguing from emotion, but without much of a handle on reality.
kenschelper 1 year ago
@LLORT3 I absolutely did not pull the number of 30K out of thin air. It is exactly what it costs us to redo the menu panels (4 or 5 per location x 21 locations) and to reprint our catering and take-out menus. And by the way we have been a very successful business for 35 years - that's quite a few heartbeats. You are arguing from emotion, but without much of a handle on reality.
kenschelper 1 year ago
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@LLORT3 I absolutely did not pull the number of 30K out of thin air. It is exactly what it costs us to redo the menu panels (4 or 5 per location x 21 locations) and to reprint our catering and take-out menus. And by the way we have been a very successful business for 35 years - that's quite a few heartbeats. You are arguing from emotion, but without much of a handle on reality.
kenschelper 1 year ago
@LLORT3
Wrong it was not "pulled out of thin air". It is what it actually cost us the last time we had to redo the menu panels (4 or 5 per location x 21 locations) and to reprint our catering and take-out menus. It does not include any administrative costs.
kenschelper 1 year ago
@LLORT3, the Obama administration has almost no members from the private sector. Some are openly hostile to business, considering it greedy and apparently not recognizing that without business (people creating and exchanging goods and services in the marketplace), there is no wealth.
Running a business in theory is very different from actually running a business. The members of Obama's cabinet have no business experience. They will destroy businesses and wealth. Some of them intend to do that.
caraclaudel 1 year ago
@caraclaudel
i disagree; that kind of rhetoric sounds like a talking point. i'm a republican but i think obama is pretty centrist. yes he supported bush's bailouts of big corporations, which i adamantly opposed, as i think corporations should be allowed to fail on their own.
if his policies do end up destroying businesses and wealth, we only have ourselves to blame for voting for like-minded, but well-intentioned republicans like bush and mccain.
LLORT3 1 year ago
@LLORT3 I take it you're a fattie, too, then? After all you said we're a country full of fatties.. oh wait.. so you aren't a fattie? So there are exceptions? Oh, then just how MANY 'fatties' are there? You DO realize that Africa has a higher rate of obesity than America, right?
cyryc 1 year ago
@cyryc
lolwut
LLORT3 1 year ago