I woke up this morning, looked out of my window & saw the scatterings of chemtrails dashed across the sky, 15 minutes later I see another 2 planes leaving fresh trails.
This has to stop, I'm in the North of England & I'm aware this is going on around the whole of England & elsewhere.
They spray here constantly in Ontario, Canada. It's surprising how many people DON'T CARE. They either don't look up, or they just can't be bothered despite knowing there is something that isn't right about the sky above us. This needs to stop. The more people you make aware, the more chance we have of breaking through. We may never prevail, but if we don't try, we'll never know, and we'll regret that decision for the rest of our lives. Speak Out and Speak Up. Get Loud and Get Angry.
@TwistedVizionzEnt I've joined a group here in California - Skywatch - there are a number of them. We have lab reports of aluminum and barium in water and soil, have plans to try and sue our government as well as publicize this phenomenon. Can't we pool together on YouTube/Internet to accumulate info/videos and send people to a site to be educated and - as in post above - sign a petition demanding action?
these muthers are spraying us present day,its quite obvious if you know what to look at.in cornwall last year i was out at 2-3am and saw a criss-cross pattern that was sickening,it was due to blow towards the mainland in a few hours
If you research u will find weird things... 1) Monsanto is largest producer of genetically modified crops, they have seeds that are resistant to aluminium contamination 2) Monsanto has been caught several times lobbying members of congress, spending millions 3) Their former employees/lobbyist are now in the FDA 4) Rumsfeld was owner of a company bought by Monsanto - making him millions in profit 5) a few more I can list but you can all find in Wikipedia - very suspicious.
do you really think they would be spraying there own city with them in it? and if its true there spraying stuff that mimics anthrax then we would all be dead or ill
@mikeyp0131 I will give that the contempt that it deserves !!!! The answer is YES they would... I think theres a depopulation program happening I have suspected it for 5 years now with all these superbugs, flu's ect all killers of Man.... Look up S.P.I.C.E. project for one Google this BBC - BBC News Channel Programmes - HARDtalk, David Keith, environmental scientist.... This is not bullshit mate I wish it was for all our sake's.. Advice from me to you start storing tins of long date foods
@chavspotter go to carnicominstitute or do the same expt yourself: check death rates for two consec mos and go back ten years! you will see a huge increase not acoounted for by population increase, do it for a small town, or even look up respiratory illness, how much do SHILLS like you get paid i wonder, i'm sure it's peanuts compared to the pilots! ;D
its a shame,, but the facts that some of the skeptical people are seekin they wont find,,i dont know what they need to see, to beleive this is happening,,but to believe that the people in control of our mother earth wouldnt think of doing such a thing is just crazy. the lunatics are in charge of the asylum,... surely we all know this,, power drives people crazy .. keep asking questions,, believe your own eyes, the sky has changed and they have even admitted doing it, ,,... already
Some references would be greatly appreciated. Simple 'type-on' graphics are bold but slightly awkward and comes off as just your unfounded opinion. Looks a bit preachy as well. But it's great you're getting lots of hits and hopefully they'll see there's some truth to all of this. Cheers
Nothing surprises me, until people stand up and get rid of these mutil national corportation dummy governments this shit will continue, but hey everyone will turn up and vote for the usual wankers on next election, i give up caring about what they do anymore
Im in the South of England, West Sussex, and Im lucky enough to have a horse on the South Downs. Some mornings as we sit and drink our coffee under a huge sky, the horror above our heads, beggars belief. AND STILL my horsey chums just tut and roll thier eyes... and we are all in our 50's !! So they DO know the sky has changed... but for some reason it is not to be discussed. Fear or helplessness paralises most people. Some people just do not look up, or have forgotton how to.
@Artifartibiz I'm baffled by the willing denial I see going around me. An old time chemtrail activist - now into other things - has come to believe most vapor trails are contrails - just water vapor. In my chemtrail group we have lab reports on our local soil and water showing aluminum and barium. But we are having a hard time convincing people this is real and dangerous. Is this by design?
@bluestarwheel :-) IF chem trails are vapour trails, it lends itself to an even more horrific conclusion....that the actual natural chemistry or physics of our atmosphere is changed! I believe that most people in the modern world are so tied up with the daily panic,stress... and distress of work, paying the mortgage and feeding the kids ( or thwey are just plumbed into that they just do not have time to 'smell the roses' OR look at the world around them ! And if you do look ....
@bluestarwheel OOps... that should have read or they are just plumbed into a TV, a Phone, or some other form of 'escapisim' that they do not take time to look at the world around them(says she, glued to her puter :-) ) then again IS that by design ??? The content on TV and the media in general is so dumbed down and controlled, (I have witnessed this first hand) people either don't think for themselves, or can't think for themselves anymore ... is THAT by design? undoubtedly.
@bluestarwheel Like you, I really dont understand why people are not outraged and demanding answers re chemtrails, (and many other issues) but then again the path to getting the message out, is ...in my opinion ... blocked and controlled. Those of us that care, are still labelled as loonatics or nutters..... is THAT by design ??? Blimey what a massive missive Ive typed .... but heres a short story that may explain how things work (in 486 characters !!)
@bluestarwheel years ago,I tried to save an oak tree.The whole village got together to help. We chained people to it, I wrote a press release. My release never appeared, instead, a message from the council to say the tree was dangerous & might harm the public, so it was to be trimmed.@5am next morning they came and chopped it down. A council rep came to me grinning &told me I was a silly cow, they would have injected it with mercury to kill it rather than let us keep it. Typical ?
Too many people are labeling this as a conspiracy. At the end of the day you can clearly see they are spraying something, but what? Why? What will it achieve? It's undeniable that negative forces are in power and they don't have our best interest at heart. Just look around you... war, not only in Iraq, but also in the minds of many. No baby is born that way, so is the transformation forced on us?
@Super5thDimension They are spraying around 20million tons of Aluminium, Strontium and Barium over mostly NATO Countries each year for at least the last ten years.
Aluminium neutralises the acidity (Ph) of the soil. ( -6.5Ph is best but is now less than -5Ph killing off many of the microrbes that pass nutrients to the roots) The food industry is now in the hands of a few global corporations who are eliminating the independant growing of food outside of their control. (see CODEX ALIMENTARIUS)
@5smallbears OK,heres some very basic math for you.1 square meter of soil weighs around 1.6 tonnes,TONNES!Your trying to tell me that"spraying" anything from 25,000 feet in the air is going to effect the soil?Thats like doing a piss in the ocean and thinking your are effecting its ph balance. None of your theories behind chemtrails hold up, it would be the most ineffective way of trying to implement anything.We create more pollution from the cars we drive!doing anything about that?
@riceburnagtv How do you explain a small isolated island in Hawaii where there is only a pristine organic vegetable farm having outrageously high aluminum counts in the soil and people since they started seeing these trails a few years ago. Up until then the ph was fine.
@dolittleskippy You do realise that Hawaii is basically a whole bunch of volcanic islands yeah? That they have been mining Aluminum and Bauxite (which is aluminum ore) since its discovery in the 50's? The problem is your chemtard researchers will go to places where they know alum will be high pull it out of the ground and say see its because of this!! Whats even more unfortunate is there are people like you who fall for it and dont bother to question them!
@riceburnagtv I have tried to find info on the bauxite mining and can't find a single reference to mining in Hawaii. Lots of it in Arkansas, Austrailia, and other places with loads of vegetation. Says it required LOTS of weathering to create. Which would fit for Hawaii but I can't find anything on that.
@dolittleskippy I have sent you a link mate. Happy researching!
The thing to remember when people preach anything,tell you information or present a case is it comes down to credibility. If they are happy to sprout a WHOLE HEAP OF DISINFO to get their point accross then you should take everyting else they say with a grain of salt as it is a representation of their character. I say this because I see you have a number of Alex Jones videos on your page.
@riceburnagtv I know Alex is a blowhard but he does come up with some info to get you thinking a lot of the time. He has been warning for years about things like the TSA and NDAA and Patriot Act before they happened so I check into the stuff he says. Looking at Gingrich I could almost believe in David Ickes Reptile People!! Ha ha
@riceburnagtv Thanks BTW for the info. I find that if you search hard enough for truth it comes to you as long as you are looking. What I can't abide is people going through life with blinders on. I know too many people that do that and can't even have a conversation about ANYTHING more than how much their new car cost and such!
@dolittleskippy All good man, sorry to come across as harsh it just get frustrating when you are dealing with idiots all the time who have the hide to tell people to research yet stop when they find the info they were looking for or suited their agenda in the first place. I am open to a lot of things and the first to stand up against the companies behind our governments but I find this paranoid BS does more harm than good for our cause and there lies my frustration.
@dolittleskippy don't listen to this piece of shit rice guy, he is trolling all the chem videos because he is paid to put people back to sleep. the same ph issues are happening right across canada. It is very noticeable because many of our trees are dying now because the soil levels are too neutral. pine fir and spruce are taking a beating now. also there is a major increase in upper respiratory infection in human and livestock.... This is not a theory it is very real.
@changethecurrent Thanks for the input. Right now I am too frustrated over Romney supposedly winning the caucus last night to care about much. I know chemtrails is a huge deal but Ron Paul could put a stop to a lot of the evil crap going on and I want him to win. He's up against the same bastards as we are.
@dolittleskippy Someone like ron paul will never get in because they don't want him in power. This chemtrail shit is really being ramped up and I don't think that this issue can wait for a president. there needs to be massive action by the population of North America. It is our duty as citizens to put a stop to this soft kill genocide. stay strong and god bless!
@changethecurrent Well I feel like we have attacks from ALL sides. Michael Murphy is actually filing a lawsuit in California. It's hard to fight something when nobody believes in it or won't admit it exists. At least I can TRY to get Ron Paul into the action. He is pleased with 3rd place but that just shows how powerful the pigs in charge are in ALL aspects doesn't it? My one hope is that the young people are waking up and the hardcore GOP pigs are dying from old age.
This is absolutely true about the upper respiratory infections. They spray here constantly in Ontario, Canada and I am repeatedly overcome with lung infections, head-aches, and various other health issues. It doesn't rain without chemtrails. People need to wake up and realize what how this is affecting our counties, our way of life. Speak Out. Look Up! They can't silence everyone.
1x8twist.sorry you weren't welcomed, come to scotland, in my close we all welcome new folk, 8 in a close, all best friends share food have close partys , ones friends have became evreyones friends and parents and family have been included ,but we ALL have the same values.it just takes 1 to put out the hand of friendship, it can work.spread the love, and tell everyone whats going on.we need to get together, for your right., everything is being done to keep people apart. spread the r'evol'ution
Has anyone noticed how people are getting so anti social these days? i just moved into a what looks like a nice neighborhood and i was greeted with the nose in the air look by my two closest neighbors:( and they are in there 60s What ever happend too greating the new people on the block with a wave and hi welcome too the neighborhood my friend. Something is very wrong these days. I think we are being medicated with a i hate you drug.
does any one every wonder why we still fight with each other over the question, is our government and the fucking new world order trying to control wake the fuck up or we are all done and our kids also. Stand up a fight for you life. there is billions who agree not one or two. It not a question of are they any more.
OMG people posting these so called "true - proven" video's are the real toxins. This is plain nuts. And with no facts....just bullshit. btw...the link in dead...i wonder why ?
Please dont bring the copper tubes. They bring clear sky. Calling me a screwball. Wait till the real true story comes out. Just wait for it little man....
The unconstitutional Federal Reserve system is responsible for financing the global chemtrail spraying missions. The FED has the money. The recent GAO audit of the FED showed that it had given 16 trillion dollars in secret loans to American and foreign banks between the years 2007 to the present.
Chem Trails never killed insects and cause bee colony collapse before. They are going to try to blame CO2 levels and point to something invisible, while ignoring a cloud of aerosol sprayed my a plethora of planes, then we fish floating and birds falling from the sky. Next thing you know they will be saying that CO2 was flying these planes....
Get the December 16, 1989 Wall street Journal on the front page it says that 40 states have wide spread damage ! They blamed Dupont. I personally contacted Morris Bailey N American Division Head and told him that they were spraying toxic waste on our farms with Aluminum levels appearing over 1500ppm in plant fiber. Within 3 weeks DuPont came out and said it was weather patterns. Then our government gave them 160 million to study Alzheimer’s.
S I N Sidestep the issue.. Ignore the Facts... and name call. They are part of Cloverleaf a Black ops Aerosol spray operation ran by the CIA. Rest Assured We will take our country back.
so the last known experiments were 30 yrs ago and now a video of vapour trails means were getting sprayed with deadly chemicals which are an 'imminent danger'? Bit loose innit!?
Similarly you may ask me if I am conducting testing of new robotics or 3D animation.
If I say "it is not my policy to discuss ongoing research" it is not an admission that I am doing robotics nor 3D animation. I am just not discussing my present ongoing research no matter what it entails.
Just because it is ongoing research does not specify what it is.
I may be researching frilly 1920s clothing for the Great Gatsby, or period cars.
It's simply ongoing research & not for discussion.
i was down my mates place sitting in her garden and i couldnt belive what i was seeing the who sky was dripping in weird patterns with what looked to me like chemtrails, even my friend looked up in shock the small planes were kriss crossing all over the sky, sun was shining and the dripping across that blue sky was anything but normal. scary shit, thanx for info.
To quote from popular science magazine from 1969 "It is certain that many occasions-30 to 40 days a year, say the cause of cirrus cloud cover is contrails. This cloud cover can take in a substantial part of a continent half the US"
These spraying experiments must have gone poorly. I don't recall reading of mass deaths or illness due to spraying from that time period. Mention of "Chemtrails" is the number one indicator that you're speaking to an idiot. Don't be such a tool.
Yes, for something claimed to be an attempt at mass genocide that started in the mid 1990s, I'd ask for my money back with the world's population constantly increasing!
Imagine buying a bugspray that you had to hold the button down for 10+ years non-stop and all the bugs gradually just died of old age and their offspring just increased in number!
@GregOrca Oh you poor brainwashed, misinformed 'geniuses.' Both you and CyclePunchSwing have missed this salient point; there are 8,000,000 deaths a year caused by cancer. In the 1970s the cancer rate was 1 in 10, now the cancer rate is higher than 1 in 3. That means 1 in 3 people will get cancer in their lifetime, and most probably die from that cancer or others caused by the carcinogens in the chemotherapy. So, what could be causing this phenomenon?
Cancer is a disease primarily suffered by people over 60. More than 50% of cases are in people older than 50.
As life expectancy has steadily increased worldwide there has not only be a proportionate increase in old people, but a corresponding shift in mortality of diseases of the young to diseases of the OLD.
Cancer is the classic example.
It's an example of demographic shift and life expectancy changes.
@GregOrca "a corresponding shift in mortality of diseases of the young to diseases of the OLD" sounds like a nonesense statement. please clarify. Oh, and whilst you're doing that, please do also explain the increase of pedeatric cancer.
@GregOrca We are not arguing about longevity, we are arguing about premature death from cancer. You can try your tiresome weaselly spinning and contorting of premises to lend illusory support to your argument, but there are 4 million deaths from cancer of under 50s. It has been scientifically proven that cancers are caused by carcinogens, undoing the old 'genetic predistposition theory.' So, what carcinogens are causing these cancers?
@GregOrca Oh... Bad move mate. I know more about cancer and carcinogens than you know about robotics and CGI. Remember cadmium sulphide Porton Down 'contrails?' I'll give you a tip; list the ingredients in your sunscreen, do a search to see which are known carcinogens and which merely 'suspected' - aka 'peer review pending' - carcinogens.. Then do same with your microwave/ready meals. KNOWN carcinogens in food and sun lotions. Then likewise with vaccinations. Still thinking 'natural trend?'
No. I'm questioning why you are alluding that the trails in the sky, which are in fact ice crystals, can somehow cause cancer.
The trails we see in the sky are water. They are not cadmium sulphide. Cadmium sulphide is easily traced and there is no evidence it is present in the sky. All evidence indicates the trails are ice crystals.
@GregOrca You are writing about ice crystals although fully aware that Portoon Down sprayed cadmium sulphide from planes over UK skies.That was not ice crystals, that was CADMIUM SULPHIDE - KNOWN human carcinogen! You must be suffering some form of short-circuit, resetting to default fallback position in the moronic safety in harmless 'ice crystals.' Have some balls and look up the ingredients of your sunscreen. Learn what NOT SAFE AT ANY LEVEL means. Get back to me when you've done that.
@GregOrca When asked Porton Down publically announced that the aerosol program is an ongoing operation and have not to this day modified that statement. Now be a man and carry on with the list from your lotion, and get back to me when you've done that.
Greg, howabout you tell everyone why you were never able to debunk the following video evidence of a low altitude chemtrail below the Cumulus clouds, where jet engine contrails cannot form.
You mean like how at .38 and .55 in that video the contrail is not visible because the cumulous cloud is below it?
You are very keen to promote Rosario Marcianò's videos and his money making websites . How much commission do you get? He has a paypal donate button and gets paid in advertising on his blog.
What percentage do you get?
Contrails can form at any altitude if the air is cold enough. That's why they can form at ground level in Alaska or Antarctica.
@GregOrca It's hilarious how you tip-toed around the majority of the video which clearly shows the chemtrail below the Cumulus clouds.
Also, all of the low altitude chemtrail videos which I've seen are not in Alaska or Antartica. They can't be contrails because, NASA says contrails: "form at very high altitudes (usually above 8 km - about 26,000 ft) where the air is extremely cold (less than -40ºC)."
You haven't debunked the video, tell us why you can't. Speak up Greg.
The reason why high altitudes are referenced is because it USUALLY requires high altitudes for planes to encounter the low temperatures below -40C.
Contrails will form at ground level if temperature is low enough and relative humidity is high enough.
watch?v=UtISR1_OzSQ shows a CONTRAIL forming at ground level.
None of the pathetic videos you reference provide any evidence of low altitude.The small size of the planes in frame despite extreme zoom prove they are at high altitude
@GregOrca Oh, you say there's no evidence of low altitudes in the video....well then Greg, what kind of cloud do you say is in the video, and what is the cloud's known maximum altitude?
What we - and those as scientifically well-endowed as your good self - ARE disputing is that the garbage being poured QUITE OBVIOUSLY from the wings of jet aeroplanes is just good ol' water vapour and ice.
C'mon, Pal - you can do better than that, surely ?
But, hey, if there are 'scientists' who STILL believe (so they say) in Manmade Global Warming, I guess your response shouldn't come as that much of a surprise.
@GregOrca When asked Porton Down responded that 'the aerosol program is an ongoing operation' and haven't to this day modified that statement. Now get back to checking how many of the ingredients in your suntan lotion are carcinogens.
@GregOrca No, my friend, the question was specifically about the cadmium sulphide aerosol program, and the answer was pertaining to THAT question, not about biological and chemical warfare in general. Try to twist things any way you like, the 'ongoing research' part of the response says it all. So, read it and weep, after compiling that list of carcinogens in your suncreen that is... You seem very silent on THAT little nugget of of impossible to deny bubble bursting truth, huh?
NO the question was NOT about zinc cadmium sulphide but about a range of bio and chemical warfare simulations that released a range of simulant substances
'The results from these trials_ will save lives, should the country or our forces face an attack by chemical and biological weapons.'
Asked whether such tests are still being carried out, she said: 'It is not our policy to discuss ongoing research.'
You need to learn to read . You comprehension is poor & your ignorance is extreme
Since the element Chlorine is a deadly poison and the metal Sodium is extremely dangerous, highly reactive and explosive, would you ever consider consuming food that contained these dangerous elements?
@GregOrca Where is your list of known human carcinogens as found in the ingredients list on your suntan lotion/sunscreen. Anything you write other than that will be seen as an attempt to avoid the question; WHY ARE THERE KNOWN HUMAN CARCINOGENS CLASSED AS NOT SAFE AT ANY LEVEL IN SUNSCREEN SOLD OVER THE COUNTER? And I will keep repeating this question until you stop sucking your thumb, grow some balls and check that list.
Let me guess? Um.. , are woven banana leaves on that list? Oh! Corrugated Iron can be used in sunscreens, and a large area of canvas can make a good sunscreen!
How did I do?
Now back to the more relevant subject of trails in the sky, how come you don't understand how much water is released when hydrocarbons are burnt?
Why are you so ignorant about basic atmospheric science and aviation?
Oh, I think I get it .. You are trying to suggest coconut oil was sprayed in Porton Down experiments and suntan lotion! The experiments were a way of widely spreading suntan lotion for free!
And that is relevant because you think the trails we see in the sky are actually suntan lotion!
And it is your study of philosophy and refusal to understand basic science that has given you such profound insights!
@GregOrca Where is your list of known human carcinogens as found in the ingredients on your suntan lotion/sunscreen. Anything you write other than that will be seen as an attempt to avoid the question; WHY ARE THERE KNOWN HUMAN CARCINOGENS CLASSED AS NOT SAFE AT ANY LEVEL IN SUNSCREEN SOLD OVER THE COUNTER? And I will keep repeating this question until you stop sucking your thumb, grow some balls and check that list.
Well my list of dangerous ingredients included woven banana leaves, a terrible carcinogen hazard when burnt and containing all sorts of known toxins.
Corrugated iron can take your head clean off if the sunscreen comes loose in a wind and the electroplating contains carcinogens. I'm not sure how carcinogenic canvas is but bodies at sea are sometimes found wrapped in canvas! Surely there's a correlation there!
@GregOrca Oh I get it, ha ha ha! You are taking the term 'sunscreen' and applying it to things used to give shade! How funny! But no, I meant 'sunscreen' as the name given to lotions used to increase the skin's natural resistance to sunlight, silly. I thought you might have understood that from my use of the word LOTION. No wonder you were having such difficulty! But never mind, now that you are clear about what that list is that you are to compile, get to it..
I'm under no obligation to play your game, nor to take your ranting seriously.
I've made up a list. If it doesn't fit your demands then tough. Grow up.
I asked you first to explain your total incomprehension of more water being released in exhaust than the original amount of jet fuel Your lack of comprehension that zinc cadmium sulphide is not the same as cadmium sulphide and other comments shows you have zero comprehension of chemistry.
@GregOrca You are under no obligation to wake up from your stupor either. Let's face it, we both know the reason you have not compiled that list - you can't face the reality that there ARE carcinogens in the sunscreen, easily verified, which you've been ignorantly putting on your skin and that of your loved ones. You'd sooner not undermine your brittle self esteem and unravelling world view. So be it. Pharmaceutical companies would never prime you for future profit would they?
No, I've been trying to bait you into you into making claims about substances based on your gullibility of believing the promotional sales pitches of "organic natural" sunscreen sellers.
@GregOrca I see you don't have the iniciative to compile that list from your sunscreen so I'll give you these as a short cut. I'd love to see your face drop whilst watching these...
Leonard Coldwell is a scam artist who sells meditation Cds and repeats long debunked claims that microwaved water kills plants etc It doesn't .
Retinal palmitate has not yet been proven to have negative effects.
The results of the NTP study showed an increase in tumors regardless of whether the animals were exposed to retinyl palmitate so it is not clear what the effects of retinyl palmitate were. Thus the FDA does not warn about it.
@GregOrca Oh I see how things work in Puppet Man's world, anything that goes along with your belief system is bonafide whereas anything that challenges it is BS. Interesting. Seems like you are also somehow miraculously qualified in biochemistry and know about Gulf War syndrome... OK, so, WHAT caused it?
@GregOrca So you don't knonw what caused Gulf War Syndrome, yet you claim to know what DIDN'T cause it. You are an absolute fool. Same goes for chemtrails, you claim to know what they are not whilst having nothing but theory to back you up, no real evidence to go with the theory, just theory.
And the fact is that your gullibility with respect to sunscreens is matched only by your extreme ignorance of atmospheric science.
The fact that you disputed the volume of water produced in hydrocarbon combustion proves that you simply do not have the intellectual capability nor understanding of basic science to discerning the scientific validity of anything you read.
You fall for one hoax after another. I bet you were gullible enough to believe in the cheerleader dystonia hoax
@GregOrca I have no idea what you're talking about with this 'cheerleader dystonia hoax'. But I am interested in understanding how you can be such a cretinous fool as to accuse me of gullibility when you have had ample opportuninty to list the ingredients in your sunscreen to verify for yourself whether my claim is true or not but have seen fit to NOT compile this list. No wonder you are under the illusion that you have knowledge... chemistry knowledge indeed...lol! PROVE IT! Make that list!
Here's a reminder of your profound ignorance.You wrote:
""And yes I do dispute your 'fact' about fuel burned. Why do i dispute this? Is there any way i can demonstrate what nonesense you qrite? Yes. Two words; Car exhaust. According to you for every litre of petrol you get 1.3 litres of water. So, where is this water?"
@GregOrca Where is your list of known human carcinogens as found in the ingredients on your suntan lotion/sunscreen. Anything you write other than that will be seen as an attempt to avoid the question; WHY ARE THERE KNOWN HUMAN CARCINOGENS CLASSED AS NOT SAFE AT ANY LEVEL IN SUNSCREEN LOTIONS SOLD OVER THE COUNTER? And I will keep repeating this question until you stop sucking your thumb, grow some balls and check that list.
Now cocaine has been detected drifting in the air in europe.
digitaljournalDOTcom/article/272599
Therefore using your sort of philosopher's "logic" the best explanation of lines in the sky is that they are lines of Coke!
Perhaps that's how all those pilots manage to be more alert than a tosser like you and understand how burning decane produces more water than the original amount of fuel .
@GregOrca Where is your list of known human carcinogens as found in the ingredients on your suntan lotion/sunscreen. Anything you write other than that will be seen as an attempt to avoid the question; WHY ARE THERE KNOWN HUMAN CARCINOGENS CLASSED AS NOT SAFE AT ANY LEVEL IN SUNSCREEN SOLD OVER THE COUNTER? And I will keep repeating this question until you stop sucking your thumb, grow some balls and check that list.
"And yes I do dispute your 'fact' about fuel burned. Why do i dispute this? Is there any way i can demonstrate what nonesense you qrite? Yes. Two words; Car exhaust. According to you for every litre of petrol you get 1.3 litres of water. So, where is this water?"
Are you really that ignorant?
BTW, I was referring to kerosene which is largely decane. Do you know ANYTHING about organic chemistry?
@GregOrca Your mind is not capable of putting things into perspective - as your rigid thinking lacks the flexibility to adapt to new information. There have always been people like you, from sunrise sacrificers to flat earthers - and it is always your type that have to eat their words. A cancer holocaust of under 50s every single year is nothing to you, right? It's not symptomatic of anything. So, how about you explain your magical ice crystals, or has the weather ALWAYS been hazy and cloudy?
Similarly, as populations begin to have a larger percentage of Older people, there becomes an increase in cases of arthritis, bunnions, dicky knees, cankles, liverspots, hairy ears and WRINKLES!
Wow, can we use "Chemtrails" to explain the increase in incidence of grey hair and wrinkly skin etc in general populations?
Morons like you would probably do so but in reality they just represent a demographic shift to proportionally more older people in populations
Everyone have a careful watch of the following videos and see that the trails are merely the well documented and well understood phenomenon of "persistent contrails". Even the concorde left them .
If someone is testing an aircraft it is hardly unidentified to the pilot is it.
If you bother to learn about aviation you would know from Ben Rich's autobiography that the U2, A12 (Sr71) Have Blue , F117 and Northrop B2 were all tested and developed at Groom lake.
Virtually all aircraft are unidentifiied flying objects to chemtrail believers because extreme ignorance of aviation is a prerequisite for chemtrail belief.
@GregOrca What jibberjabber you write! What if the pilot of your aircraft is also 'unidentifed', does that mean that he is 'not true' or that the term 'unidentified' is void of meaning? No. That you write, 'That fact (that there are classified aircraft at Area 51) has nothing to do with claims of crashed alien spaceships etc' - This shows that your beliefs override your knowledge - as you cannot possibly know whether that statement is true or not..Same with chemtrails, hence my 'check mate.'
Now let's explore the profound ignorance displayed by your post that ridicules my combustion fact: "Every ton of fuel burnt results in 1.3 tons of water in the exhaust." Do you want to revise that statement? If not then don't tell the 'water powered car' guys about this or they'll be burning fuel just to get more litres of water out of it than the liters of fuel burnt..
Your study of philosophy has led you to such a sad position at the bottom of the bell curve.
A cat's breath results in a trail of chemicals. Ants leave trails of chemicals for navigation. All motorised engine powered vehicles leave trails of chemicals as do ALL living organisms. All these result in chemical trails yet the term "chemtrails" in conspiracy idiom refers specifically to the trails in the sky behind jet aircraft, trails that in reality are normal persistent contrails of water ice crystals.
The major chemical they are comprised of is WATER with tiny amounts of soot.
@GregOrca Look at the lengths you go to to prop up your argument. This is because your position is untenable. In the same breath you accept and deny chemtrails, absurdities aside - surmissing that because cadmium sulphide trails are immediately visible all other aerosolised chemicals must have equal opacity. You can't begin to imagine that there are grouips of people who have no interest whatsoever in you knowing what they are doing. You call us 'conspiracy theorists' - they call you 'goyim.'.
@GregOrca Don't waste your time telling me your opinion, tell it to John Holdren, Advisor to President Obama for Science and Technology. Why don't you educate HIM about your version of the laws of physics? Or, here's a thought... Why don't you inform David Keith, Geoengineer, that what he is engaged in is something that he is not engaged in. That should make perfect sense to your form of logic. /watch?v=jf0khstYDLA 05:49
And that, my friend, is CHECK MATE. Thanks for playing.
@GregOrca Why are you describing Groom Lake when the question has been stipulated as being about Area 51? It's a simple question. Why are you having such difficulty answering a straight YES or NO? Does Area 51 EXIST?
Area 51 is the public idiom name for the base. In other words a mythical name that most likely has nothing to do with the actual name or even code name of the base.
It is like people calling the condensation of someone's breath in cold weather "smoke".
Does smoke exist?
Yes
Is the cloud appearing from someone's breath in the cold "smoke"
@GregOrca Don't try to backtrack. When I asked about Area 51 you responded with "You mean Groom Lake Nevada?! and then "The classified base at groom lake Nevada exists. The name Area 51 exists." Given that the alleged location for this 'classified military base called Area 51' is Groom Lake, and that you admit to its existence, that makes you a conspiracy theorist. Are you now or have you ever worn a tinfoil hat to stop those at Groom Lake from 'reading your thoughts?'
good vid mate
killerplantpot 4 days ago
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wishfix 1 week ago
Please anyone who has their eyes open & are aware of these atrocities, sign this petition :
epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/1308
xChemicalThrowerx 1 week ago
I woke up this morning, looked out of my window & saw the scatterings of chemtrails dashed across the sky, 15 minutes later I see another 2 planes leaving fresh trails.
This has to stop, I'm in the North of England & I'm aware this is going on around the whole of England & elsewhere.
xChemicalThrowerx 1 week ago
Its crazy I was in burbank ca and I look in the sky at 1 am and I see chemtrails but it was in a "X" pattern and it was clear skies except the X
MrROLLIE333 1 week ago
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SwitchUpBroadcast 3 weeks ago
Respect.
They spray here constantly in Ontario, Canada. It's surprising how many people DON'T CARE. They either don't look up, or they just can't be bothered despite knowing there is something that isn't right about the sky above us. This needs to stop. The more people you make aware, the more chance we have of breaking through. We may never prevail, but if we don't try, we'll never know, and we'll regret that decision for the rest of our lives. Speak Out and Speak Up. Get Loud and Get Angry.
TwistedVizionzEnt 3 weeks ago
@TwistedVizionzEnt I've joined a group here in California - Skywatch - there are a number of them. We have lab reports of aluminum and barium in water and soil, have plans to try and sue our government as well as publicize this phenomenon. Can't we pool together on YouTube/Internet to accumulate info/videos and send people to a site to be educated and - as in post above - sign a petition demanding action?
bluestarwheel 2 days ago
these muthers are spraying us present day,its quite obvious if you know what to look at.in cornwall last year i was out at 2-3am and saw a criss-cross pattern that was sickening,it was due to blow towards the mainland in a few hours
MrPhenomenon1 3 weeks ago
"MORGELLONS HORROR SHOW 2: A GENETIC WEAPON"
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Skywitness 4 weeks ago
STOP CHEMTRAILS!!!
PortlandEye503 1 month ago in playlist morgellons
We often have 4 planes at any one time spraying us here in Salford Greater Manchester.
It's disgusting! So many people don't believe you when you tell them what's happening.
That's one of the scariest parts.
Shanga68 1 month ago
If you research u will find weird things... 1) Monsanto is largest producer of genetically modified crops, they have seeds that are resistant to aluminium contamination 2) Monsanto has been caught several times lobbying members of congress, spending millions 3) Their former employees/lobbyist are now in the FDA 4) Rumsfeld was owner of a company bought by Monsanto - making him millions in profit 5) a few more I can list but you can all find in Wikipedia - very suspicious.
Xality 1 month ago
do you really think they would be spraying there own city with them in it? and if its true there spraying stuff that mimics anthrax then we would all be dead or ill
mikeyp0131 1 month ago
@mikeyp0131 I will give that the contempt that it deserves !!!! The answer is YES they would... I think theres a depopulation program happening I have suspected it for 5 years now with all these superbugs, flu's ect all killers of Man.... Look up S.P.I.C.E. project for one Google this BBC - BBC News Channel Programmes - HARDtalk, David Keith, environmental scientist.... This is not bullshit mate I wish it was for all our sake's.. Advice from me to you start storing tins of long date foods
HAPPYxGEORGE 1 month ago
@HAPPYxGEORGE ''depopulation program''? Name one person, with supporting evidence, who has died as a direct result of ''chemtrails'', just one.
chavspotter 1 month ago
@chavspotter go to carnicominstitute or do the same expt yourself: check death rates for two consec mos and go back ten years! you will see a huge increase not acoounted for by population increase, do it for a small town, or even look up respiratory illness, how much do SHILLS like you get paid i wonder, i'm sure it's peanuts compared to the pilots! ;D
SprayOClockNews 1 month ago
its a shame,, but the facts that some of the skeptical people are seekin they wont find,,i dont know what they need to see, to beleive this is happening,,but to believe that the people in control of our mother earth wouldnt think of doing such a thing is just crazy. the lunatics are in charge of the asylum,... surely we all know this,, power drives people crazy .. keep asking questions,, believe your own eyes, the sky has changed and they have even admitted doing it, ,,... already
wit113 1 month ago
The UK is 1 TRILLION EUROS in debt, you're dying anyway.
ArgRosario1 1 month ago
Some references would be greatly appreciated. Simple 'type-on' graphics are bold but slightly awkward and comes off as just your unfounded opinion. Looks a bit preachy as well. But it's great you're getting lots of hits and hopefully they'll see there's some truth to all of this. Cheers
randollini 1 month ago
Heheheheh you guys are dreaming hahahaha i am glad you guys are working on the case , i will have fun till then thanks..
bradthelegend 1 month ago
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Chemtrails are very real, in governments own documents, wake up, stop bitching
turbodude555 2 months ago
It's so obvious that we're being sprayed and more and more people are
learning about it. It's just a matter of time before this is brought to light and the people responsible for it are held accountable for it.
remarkymarkable 2 months ago
Nothing surprises me, until people stand up and get rid of these mutil national corportation dummy governments this shit will continue, but hey everyone will turn up and vote for the usual wankers on next election, i give up caring about what they do anymore
TheMikaAlexander 2 months ago 4
Im in the South of England, West Sussex, and Im lucky enough to have a horse on the South Downs. Some mornings as we sit and drink our coffee under a huge sky, the horror above our heads, beggars belief. AND STILL my horsey chums just tut and roll thier eyes... and we are all in our 50's !! So they DO know the sky has changed... but for some reason it is not to be discussed. Fear or helplessness paralises most people. Some people just do not look up, or have forgotton how to.
Artifartibiz 2 months ago 6
@Artifartibiz I'm baffled by the willing denial I see going around me. An old time chemtrail activist - now into other things - has come to believe most vapor trails are contrails - just water vapor. In my chemtrail group we have lab reports on our local soil and water showing aluminum and barium. But we are having a hard time convincing people this is real and dangerous. Is this by design?
bluestarwheel 2 days ago
@bluestarwheel :-) IF chem trails are vapour trails, it lends itself to an even more horrific conclusion....that the actual natural chemistry or physics of our atmosphere is changed! I believe that most people in the modern world are so tied up with the daily panic,stress... and distress of work, paying the mortgage and feeding the kids ( or thwey are just plumbed into that they just do not have time to 'smell the roses' OR look at the world around them ! And if you do look ....
Artifartibiz 2 days ago
@bluestarwheel OOps... that should have read or they are just plumbed into a TV, a Phone, or some other form of 'escapisim' that they do not take time to look at the world around them(says she, glued to her puter :-) ) then again IS that by design ??? The content on TV and the media in general is so dumbed down and controlled, (I have witnessed this first hand) people either don't think for themselves, or can't think for themselves anymore ... is THAT by design? undoubtedly.
Artifartibiz 2 days ago
@bluestarwheel Like you, I really dont understand why people are not outraged and demanding answers re chemtrails, (and many other issues) but then again the path to getting the message out, is ...in my opinion ... blocked and controlled. Those of us that care, are still labelled as loonatics or nutters..... is THAT by design ??? Blimey what a massive missive Ive typed .... but heres a short story that may explain how things work (in 486 characters !!)
Artifartibiz 2 days ago
@bluestarwheel years ago,I tried to save an oak tree.The whole village got together to help. We chained people to it, I wrote a press release. My release never appeared, instead, a message from the council to say the tree was dangerous & might harm the public, so it was to be trimmed.@5am next morning they came and chopped it down. A council rep came to me grinning &told me I was a silly cow, they would have injected it with mercury to kill it rather than let us keep it. Typical ?
Artifartibiz 2 days ago
Too many people are labeling this as a conspiracy. At the end of the day you can clearly see they are spraying something, but what? Why? What will it achieve? It's undeniable that negative forces are in power and they don't have our best interest at heart. Just look around you... war, not only in Iraq, but also in the minds of many. No baby is born that way, so is the transformation forced on us?
Super5thDimension 2 months ago 2
@Super5thDimension They are spraying around 20million tons of Aluminium, Strontium and Barium over mostly NATO Countries each year for at least the last ten years.
Aluminium neutralises the acidity (Ph) of the soil. ( -6.5Ph is best but is now less than -5Ph killing off many of the microrbes that pass nutrients to the roots) The food industry is now in the hands of a few global corporations who are eliminating the independant growing of food outside of their control. (see CODEX ALIMENTARIUS)
5smallbears 1 month ago
@5smallbears OK,heres some very basic math for you.1 square meter of soil weighs around 1.6 tonnes,TONNES!Your trying to tell me that"spraying" anything from 25,000 feet in the air is going to effect the soil?Thats like doing a piss in the ocean and thinking your are effecting its ph balance. None of your theories behind chemtrails hold up, it would be the most ineffective way of trying to implement anything.We create more pollution from the cars we drive!doing anything about that?
riceburnagtv 1 month ago
@riceburnagtv How do you explain a small isolated island in Hawaii where there is only a pristine organic vegetable farm having outrageously high aluminum counts in the soil and people since they started seeing these trails a few years ago. Up until then the ph was fine.
dolittleskippy 1 month ago
@dolittleskippy You do realise that Hawaii is basically a whole bunch of volcanic islands yeah? That they have been mining Aluminum and Bauxite (which is aluminum ore) since its discovery in the 50's? The problem is your chemtard researchers will go to places where they know alum will be high pull it out of the ground and say see its because of this!! Whats even more unfortunate is there are people like you who fall for it and dont bother to question them!
riceburnagtv 4 weeks ago
@riceburnagtv Good point. I will note that.
dolittleskippy 4 weeks ago
@riceburnagtv I have tried to find info on the bauxite mining and can't find a single reference to mining in Hawaii. Lots of it in Arkansas, Austrailia, and other places with loads of vegetation. Says it required LOTS of weathering to create. Which would fit for Hawaii but I can't find anything on that.
dolittleskippy 4 weeks ago
@dolittleskippy I have sent you a link mate. Happy researching!
The thing to remember when people preach anything,tell you information or present a case is it comes down to credibility. If they are happy to sprout a WHOLE HEAP OF DISINFO to get their point accross then you should take everyting else they say with a grain of salt as it is a representation of their character. I say this because I see you have a number of Alex Jones videos on your page.
riceburnagtv 4 weeks ago
@riceburnagtv I know Alex is a blowhard but he does come up with some info to get you thinking a lot of the time. He has been warning for years about things like the TSA and NDAA and Patriot Act before they happened so I check into the stuff he says. Looking at Gingrich I could almost believe in David Ickes Reptile People!! Ha ha
dolittleskippy 3 weeks ago
@riceburnagtv Thanks BTW for the info. I find that if you search hard enough for truth it comes to you as long as you are looking. What I can't abide is people going through life with blinders on. I know too many people that do that and can't even have a conversation about ANYTHING more than how much their new car cost and such!
dolittleskippy 3 weeks ago
@dolittleskippy All good man, sorry to come across as harsh it just get frustrating when you are dealing with idiots all the time who have the hide to tell people to research yet stop when they find the info they were looking for or suited their agenda in the first place. I am open to a lot of things and the first to stand up against the companies behind our governments but I find this paranoid BS does more harm than good for our cause and there lies my frustration.
riceburnagtv 3 weeks ago
@dolittleskippy don't listen to this piece of shit rice guy, he is trolling all the chem videos because he is paid to put people back to sleep. the same ph issues are happening right across canada. It is very noticeable because many of our trees are dying now because the soil levels are too neutral. pine fir and spruce are taking a beating now. also there is a major increase in upper respiratory infection in human and livestock.... This is not a theory it is very real.
changethecurrent 3 weeks ago
@changethecurrent Thanks for the input. Right now I am too frustrated over Romney supposedly winning the caucus last night to care about much. I know chemtrails is a huge deal but Ron Paul could put a stop to a lot of the evil crap going on and I want him to win. He's up against the same bastards as we are.
dolittleskippy 3 weeks ago
@dolittleskippy Someone like ron paul will never get in because they don't want him in power. This chemtrail shit is really being ramped up and I don't think that this issue can wait for a president. there needs to be massive action by the population of North America. It is our duty as citizens to put a stop to this soft kill genocide. stay strong and god bless!
changethecurrent 3 weeks ago
@changethecurrent Well I feel like we have attacks from ALL sides. Michael Murphy is actually filing a lawsuit in California. It's hard to fight something when nobody believes in it or won't admit it exists. At least I can TRY to get Ron Paul into the action. He is pleased with 3rd place but that just shows how powerful the pigs in charge are in ALL aspects doesn't it? My one hope is that the young people are waking up and the hardcore GOP pigs are dying from old age.
dolittleskippy 3 weeks ago
@changethecurrent
This is absolutely true about the upper respiratory infections. They spray here constantly in Ontario, Canada and I am repeatedly overcome with lung infections, head-aches, and various other health issues. It doesn't rain without chemtrails. People need to wake up and realize what how this is affecting our counties, our way of life. Speak Out. Look Up! They can't silence everyone.
TwistedVizionzEnt 3 weeks ago
can anyone else see the womans three fingers or claws in the advert top right, psychic norak ??? wtf !!
youlittlerocket 2 months ago
How we can fight again powerfull organisation + goverments? They control all aspect of our life :( food / air / earth / population
chemiko30 2 months ago
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watch?v=_XleFcev6Ms More info from the governments own documents
turbodude555 2 months ago
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Why are people living longer than ever then please? Look up Global Dimming...horizon documentary. Its simple...we have fucked the world up.
DopeMoves11 2 months ago
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DopeMoves11 2 months ago
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declassified. No doubt and they are still doing it now
WessexNormandyChems 2 months ago
ItWasTyped. com - the truth on chemtrails, 9/11, etc
Stop watching dumbass youtube vids that use scandalous 'facts'
culturebully3 2 months ago
Chemtrails: youtube.com/watch?v=FDciWGZ5eN4
misfits77777 2 months ago
1x8twist.sorry you weren't welcomed, come to scotland, in my close we all welcome new folk, 8 in a close, all best friends share food have close partys , ones friends have became evreyones friends and parents and family have been included ,but we ALL have the same values.it just takes 1 to put out the hand of friendship, it can work.spread the love, and tell everyone whats going on.we need to get together, for your right., everything is being done to keep people apart. spread the r'evol'ution
witchysue 2 months ago
What is the song over the first half of the video called and who is it by?
streuthmonkey1 2 months ago
they are still doing it very heavily now november 2011 early morning and evenings scary
wickedorwhat 2 months ago
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and they still doing it, See my " Strange Lines in Blue Sky 2011 " video
photo2wrush 2 months ago
This is bullocks...
techstud702 2 months ago
yeah are just the marks were holliday planes have been. there is a lot of dodgey shit going on but i dont think this is real
CraigRidley1 3 months ago
how can people who dont have internet ask for a copy of your dvd.
???
wagatillidie 3 months ago
Has anyone noticed how people are getting so anti social these days? i just moved into a what looks like a nice neighborhood and i was greeted with the nose in the air look by my two closest neighbors:( and they are in there 60s What ever happend too greating the new people on the block with a wave and hi welcome too the neighborhood my friend. Something is very wrong these days. I think we are being medicated with a i hate you drug.
1x8twist 3 months ago 2
@1x8twist I've noticed it too, you're right!
OneOfTheWatched 2 months ago
does any one every wonder why we still fight with each other over the question, is our government and the fucking new world order trying to control wake the fuck up or we are all done and our kids also. Stand up a fight for you life. there is billions who agree not one or two. It not a question of are they any more.
warpedmotion 3 months ago
OMG people posting these so called "true - proven" video's are the real toxins. This is plain nuts. And with no facts....just bullshit. btw...the link in dead...i wonder why ?
futurelin 3 months ago
@futurelin That coming from a nobody such as yourself is a fucking joke.
firstwave2 3 months ago
@firstwave2
I am anonymous and anonymous is you.....so the joke is on you...
futurelin 3 months ago
@futurelin Not at all jerk off .You are the screw ball that made and makes the uneducated comments.
firstwave2 3 months ago
@firstwave2
Please dont bring the copper tubes. They bring clear sky. Calling me a screwball. Wait till the real true story comes out. Just wait for it little man....
futurelin 3 months ago
@futurelin FIM-92 Stinger would be my preferred method, not copper, do you understand that little girl.
firstwave2 3 months ago
@futurelin search in google 'guardian millions were in germ war tests' and you will find the article if you are interested.
revolutionloveevolve 3 months ago
FUCK USA FICK DIE ENGLÄNDER FICK DIE JUDEN!
UnKnOwNzH 3 months ago
The unconstitutional Federal Reserve system is responsible for financing the global chemtrail spraying missions. The FED has the money. The recent GAO audit of the FED showed that it had given 16 trillion dollars in secret loans to American and foreign banks between the years 2007 to the present.
End the FED and the chemtrail spraying will stop.
TheStreets007 3 months ago
The music piss me off
conford1954 3 months ago
Why the dreadful music?
silverstartrucker 3 months ago
Chem Trails never killed insects and cause bee colony collapse before. They are going to try to blame CO2 levels and point to something invisible, while ignoring a cloud of aerosol sprayed my a plethora of planes, then we fish floating and birds falling from the sky. Next thing you know they will be saying that CO2 was flying these planes....
iondetox 3 months ago
Get the December 16, 1989 Wall street Journal on the front page it says that 40 states have wide spread damage ! They blamed Dupont. I personally contacted Morris Bailey N American Division Head and told him that they were spraying toxic waste on our farms with Aluminum levels appearing over 1500ppm in plant fiber. Within 3 weeks DuPont came out and said it was weather patterns. Then our government gave them 160 million to study Alzheimer’s.
iondetox 3 months ago
S I N Sidestep the issue.. Ignore the Facts... and name call. They are part of Cloverleaf a Black ops Aerosol spray operation ran by the CIA. Rest Assured We will take our country back.
iondetox 3 months ago
so the last known experiments were 30 yrs ago and now a video of vapour trails means were getting sprayed with deadly chemicals which are an 'imminent danger'? Bit loose innit!?
1958or30 3 months ago
Anyone can easily access detailed data on the trials and medical opinion on zinc cadmium sulphide, an insoluble fluorescent tracer.
acmedsciDOTacDOTuk/download.php?file=/images/publication/ZincCadm.pdf
GregOrca 3 months ago
Greg, have you surrendered, or are you hoping that your failure to debunk video evidence of chemtrail spraying will just disappear?
Skywitness 3 months ago
Similarly you may ask me if I am conducting testing of new robotics or 3D animation.
If I say "it is not my policy to discuss ongoing research" it is not an admission that I am doing robotics nor 3D animation. I am just not discussing my present ongoing research no matter what it entails.
Just because it is ongoing research does not specify what it is.
I may be researching frilly 1920s clothing for the Great Gatsby, or period cars.
It's simply ongoing research & not for discussion.
GregOrca 3 months ago
i was down my mates place sitting in her garden and i couldnt belive what i was seeing the who sky was dripping in weird patterns with what looked to me like chemtrails, even my friend looked up in shock the small planes were kriss crossing all over the sky, sun was shining and the dripping across that blue sky was anything but normal. scary shit, thanx for info.
gina2190 3 months ago
books(.)google(.)com/books?id=GSoDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA74&dq=popular+science+contrail&hl=en&ei=vK9kTZWHOIOSuAPisvWrBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&sqi=2&ved=0CDMQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q&f=false
To quote from popular science magazine from 1969 "It is certain that many occasions-30 to 40 days a year, say the cause of cirrus cloud cover is contrails. This cloud cover can take in a substantial part of a continent half the US"
GregOrca 3 months ago
Yeah chemtrails are really fucking us up lol
lgndarymeth 3 months ago
These spraying experiments must have gone poorly. I don't recall reading of mass deaths or illness due to spraying from that time period. Mention of "Chemtrails" is the number one indicator that you're speaking to an idiot. Don't be such a tool.
CyclePunchSwing 3 months ago
@CyclePunchSwing
Yes, for something claimed to be an attempt at mass genocide that started in the mid 1990s, I'd ask for my money back with the world's population constantly increasing!
Imagine buying a bugspray that you had to hold the button down for 10+ years non-stop and all the bugs gradually just died of old age and their offspring just increased in number!
GregOrca 3 months ago
@GregOrca Oh you poor brainwashed, misinformed 'geniuses.' Both you and CyclePunchSwing have missed this salient point; there are 8,000,000 deaths a year caused by cancer. In the 1970s the cancer rate was 1 in 10, now the cancer rate is higher than 1 in 3. That means 1 in 3 people will get cancer in their lifetime, and most probably die from that cancer or others caused by the carcinogens in the chemotherapy. So, what could be causing this phenomenon?
rarosera 3 months ago
@rarosera
Cancer is a disease primarily suffered by people over 60. More than 50% of cases are in people older than 50.
As life expectancy has steadily increased worldwide there has not only be a proportionate increase in old people, but a corresponding shift in mortality of diseases of the young to diseases of the OLD.
Cancer is the classic example.
It's an example of demographic shift and life expectancy changes.
GregOrca 3 months ago
@GregOrca "a corresponding shift in mortality of diseases of the young to diseases of the OLD" sounds like a nonesense statement. please clarify. Oh, and whilst you're doing that, please do also explain the increase of pedeatric cancer.
rarosera 3 months ago
@rarosera
No, it means more people are getting cancer ( a disease mostly of old people) because there are more old people in the population.
It's funny how you are trying to suggest correlations to trails in the sky.
The most common population trend is the trend towards obesity .
Why aren't you trying to blame obesity on "chemtrails".
People are actually living longer.
Since you are trying to attribute population trends to trails then by your logic the trails increase life expectancy.
GregOrca 3 months ago
@GregOrca We are not arguing about longevity, we are arguing about premature death from cancer. You can try your tiresome weaselly spinning and contorting of premises to lend illusory support to your argument, but there are 4 million deaths from cancer of under 50s. It has been scientifically proven that cancers are caused by carcinogens, undoing the old 'genetic predistposition theory.' So, what carcinogens are causing these cancers?
rarosera 3 months ago
@rarosera
Can you name some carcinogens that you know?
What are the most common carcinogens and where are they most commonly found?
How about you use logic !
GregOrca 3 months ago
@GregOrca Oh... Bad move mate. I know more about cancer and carcinogens than you know about robotics and CGI. Remember cadmium sulphide Porton Down 'contrails?' I'll give you a tip; list the ingredients in your sunscreen, do a search to see which are known carcinogens and which merely 'suspected' - aka 'peer review pending' - carcinogens.. Then do same with your microwave/ready meals. KNOWN carcinogens in food and sun lotions. Then likewise with vaccinations. Still thinking 'natural trend?'
rarosera 3 months ago
@rarosera
And so are you suggesting that the ice crystals in the sky that comprise the trails morons call "chemtrails" somehow causing cancer?
How do these ice crystals cause cancer?
GregOrca 3 months ago
@GregOrca Are you inferring that cadmium sulphide when aerosolised stops being a carcinogen?
rarosera 3 months ago
@rarosera
No. I'm questioning why you are alluding that the trails in the sky, which are in fact ice crystals, can somehow cause cancer.
The trails we see in the sky are water. They are not cadmium sulphide. Cadmium sulphide is easily traced and there is no evidence it is present in the sky. All evidence indicates the trails are ice crystals.
Why then would the ice crystals cause cancer?
GregOrca 3 months ago
@GregOrca You are writing about ice crystals although fully aware that Portoon Down sprayed cadmium sulphide from planes over UK skies.That was not ice crystals, that was CADMIUM SULPHIDE - KNOWN human carcinogen! You must be suffering some form of short-circuit, resetting to default fallback position in the moronic safety in harmless 'ice crystals.' Have some balls and look up the ingredients of your sunscreen. Learn what NOT SAFE AT ANY LEVEL means. Get back to me when you've done that.
rarosera 3 months ago
@rarosera
The trails we see in the sky are NOT Cadmium Sulphide.
You are refering to an experiment conducted decades ago.
The trails we see NOW in the sky are ice-crystals. They are persistent contrails.
You referring to porton down is as not relevant to the trails presently in the sky
GregOrca 3 months ago
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@GregOrca When asked Porton Down publically announced that the aerosol program is an ongoing operation and have not to this day modified that statement. Now be a man and carry on with the list from your lotion, and get back to me when you've done that.
rarosera 3 months ago
Greg, howabout you tell everyone why you were never able to debunk the following video evidence of a low altitude chemtrail below the Cumulus clouds, where jet engine contrails cannot form.
"Bugiardi - Liars (Revisited)"
v=borEfpulzdc
Skywitness 3 months ago
@Skywitness
You mean like how at .38 and .55 in that video the contrail is not visible because the cumulous cloud is below it?
You are very keen to promote Rosario Marcianò's videos and his money making websites . How much commission do you get? He has a paypal donate button and gets paid in advertising on his blog.
What percentage do you get?
Contrails can form at any altitude if the air is cold enough. That's why they can form at ground level in Alaska or Antarctica.
watch?v=UtISR1_OzSQ
GregOrca 3 months ago
@GregOrca It's hilarious how you tip-toed around the majority of the video which clearly shows the chemtrail below the Cumulus clouds.
Also, all of the low altitude chemtrail videos which I've seen are not in Alaska or Antartica. They can't be contrails because, NASA says contrails: "form at very high altitudes (usually above 8 km - about 26,000 ft) where the air is extremely cold (less than -40ºC)."
You haven't debunked the video, tell us why you can't. Speak up Greg.
Skywitness 3 months ago
@Skywitness
The reason why high altitudes are referenced is because it USUALLY requires high altitudes for planes to encounter the low temperatures below -40C.
Contrails will form at ground level if temperature is low enough and relative humidity is high enough.
watch?v=UtISR1_OzSQ shows a CONTRAIL forming at ground level.
None of the pathetic videos you reference provide any evidence of low altitude.The small size of the planes in frame despite extreme zoom prove they are at high altitude
GregOrca 3 months ago
@GregOrca Oh, you say there's no evidence of low altitudes in the video....well then Greg, what kind of cloud do you say is in the video, and what is the cloud's known maximum altitude?
Skywitness 3 months ago
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@GregOrca It looks like the light is on, but nobodys home. Where did you go Greg? Are you running away again?
What kind of cloud do you say is in the video, and what is the cloud's known maximum altitude?
Skywitness 3 months ago
@GregOrca
"The trails we see NOW in the sky are ice-crystals..................."
And Santa Claus is coming to town..............................(it must be true - Teacher told me).
If 'ice crystals' behaved the way you seem to think (or pretend to think), then we're in DEEP trouble.
It'd mean that someone had changed the laws of Atmospheric Physics.
Al Gore, perhaps ?
marvinc999 3 months ago
@marvinc999
I think I can safely deduce from your comments that you actually don't understand the laws of atmospheric physics.
Do you know what lapse rate is?
Do you understand what "supersaturation with respect to ice" is?
The trails we see in the sky from high flying aircraft behave exactly as they did in the 1940s
GregOrca 3 months ago
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@GregOrca Your comments show that you lie a lot Greg. You're not in the position to tell anyone what they do or do not understand.
Skywitness 3 months ago
@marvinc999
So you guys think there is something unusual about ice crystals lasting for a long time in the sky and spreading .
How then have cirrus clouds formed ? They are ice crystals. No sane person would say cirrus clouds can't persist for hours.
Cirrus clouds are ice crystals.
No sane person would insist snow can only last a few seconds in the atmosphere.
Snow is ice crystals.
Contrails are ice crystals.
GregOrca 3 months ago
@GregOrca
"Cirrus clouds are ice crystals."
Who's disputing that ?
What we - and those as scientifically well-endowed as your good self - ARE disputing is that the garbage being poured QUITE OBVIOUSLY from the wings of jet aeroplanes is just good ol' water vapour and ice.
C'mon, Pal - you can do better than that, surely ?
But, hey, if there are 'scientists' who STILL believe (so they say) in Manmade Global Warming, I guess your response shouldn't come as that much of a surprise.
Hey ho...
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GregOrca 3 months ago
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@marvinc999 On what basis do you think they aren't ice crystals?
What would you say is you very best piece of evidence. Please be specific. Why do you mention "obvious" water vapor when water vapor is INVISIBLE.
How can water vapor be obvious? That's like saying you can see vacuum.
If there are still.... LOL the vast majority of atmospheric scientists agree that AGW is real. A tiny minority disagree.
Here is an example of someone who disagrees:
watch?v=fbW-aHvjOgM
GregOrca 3 months ago
@GregOrca When asked Porton Down responded that 'the aerosol program is an ongoing operation' and haven't to this day modified that statement. Now get back to checking how many of the ingredients in your suntan lotion are carcinogens.
rarosera 3 months ago
@rarosera
"responded that 'the aerosol program is an ongoing operation'"
No , they didn't say anything of the sort.
You have made an outright lie.
The reference asked Porton Down, a military research establishment if they were presently conducting biological or chemical warfare testing.
Their response was 'It is not our policy to discuss ongoing research.'
That means they simply do not discuss their present research no matter what it is.
It is NOT an admission of anything.
GregOrca 3 months ago
@GregOrca No, my friend, the question was specifically about the cadmium sulphide aerosol program, and the answer was pertaining to THAT question, not about biological and chemical warfare in general. Try to twist things any way you like, the 'ongoing research' part of the response says it all. So, read it and weep, after compiling that list of carcinogens in your suncreen that is... You seem very silent on THAT little nugget of of impossible to deny bubble bursting truth, huh?
rarosera 3 months ago
@rarosera
NO the question was NOT about zinc cadmium sulphide but about a range of bio and chemical warfare simulations that released a range of simulant substances
'The results from these trials_ will save lives, should the country or our forces face an attack by chemical and biological weapons.'
Asked whether such tests are still being carried out, she said: 'It is not our policy to discuss ongoing research.'
You need to learn to read . You comprehension is poor & your ignorance is extreme
GregOrca 3 months ago
@rarosera
Why are you saying cadmium sulphide?
The tests used zinc cadmium sulphide.
Chlorine was used as a chemical weapon in ww1.
Since the element Chlorine is a deadly poison and the metal Sodium is extremely dangerous, highly reactive and explosive, would you ever consider consuming food that contained these dangerous elements?
GregOrca 3 months ago
@GregOrca Where is your list of known human carcinogens as found in the ingredients list on your suntan lotion/sunscreen. Anything you write other than that will be seen as an attempt to avoid the question; WHY ARE THERE KNOWN HUMAN CARCINOGENS CLASSED AS NOT SAFE AT ANY LEVEL IN SUNSCREEN SOLD OVER THE COUNTER? And I will keep repeating this question until you stop sucking your thumb, grow some balls and check that list.
rarosera 3 months ago
@rarosera
Let me guess? Um.. , are woven banana leaves on that list? Oh! Corrugated Iron can be used in sunscreens, and a large area of canvas can make a good sunscreen!
How did I do?
Now back to the more relevant subject of trails in the sky, how come you don't understand how much water is released when hydrocarbons are burnt?
Why are you so ignorant about basic atmospheric science and aviation?
Did you make a deliberate effort not to learn?
GregOrca 3 months ago
@rarosera
Oh, I think I get it .. You are trying to suggest coconut oil was sprayed in Porton Down experiments and suntan lotion! The experiments were a way of widely spreading suntan lotion for free!
And that is relevant because you think the trails we see in the sky are actually suntan lotion!
And it is your study of philosophy and refusal to understand basic science that has given you such profound insights!
Here, have a peanut.
GregOrca 3 months ago
@GregOrca Where is your list of known human carcinogens as found in the ingredients on your suntan lotion/sunscreen. Anything you write other than that will be seen as an attempt to avoid the question; WHY ARE THERE KNOWN HUMAN CARCINOGENS CLASSED AS NOT SAFE AT ANY LEVEL IN SUNSCREEN SOLD OVER THE COUNTER? And I will keep repeating this question until you stop sucking your thumb, grow some balls and check that list.
rarosera 3 months ago
@rarosera
Well my list of dangerous ingredients included woven banana leaves, a terrible carcinogen hazard when burnt and containing all sorts of known toxins.
Corrugated iron can take your head clean off if the sunscreen comes loose in a wind and the electroplating contains carcinogens. I'm not sure how carcinogenic canvas is but bodies at sea are sometimes found wrapped in canvas! Surely there's a correlation there!
So that's my list.
What's on your list?
Does it include banana leaves too?
GregOrca 3 months ago
@GregOrca Oh I get it, ha ha ha! You are taking the term 'sunscreen' and applying it to things used to give shade! How funny! But no, I meant 'sunscreen' as the name given to lotions used to increase the skin's natural resistance to sunlight, silly. I thought you might have understood that from my use of the word LOTION. No wonder you were having such difficulty! But never mind, now that you are clear about what that list is that you are to compile, get to it..
rarosera 3 months ago
@rarosera
I'm under no obligation to play your game, nor to take your ranting seriously.
I've made up a list. If it doesn't fit your demands then tough. Grow up.
I asked you first to explain your total incomprehension of more water being released in exhaust than the original amount of jet fuel Your lack of comprehension that zinc cadmium sulphide is not the same as cadmium sulphide and other comments shows you have zero comprehension of chemistry.
You are not worth being taken seriously
GregOrca 3 months ago
@GregOrca You are under no obligation to wake up from your stupor either. Let's face it, we both know the reason you have not compiled that list - you can't face the reality that there ARE carcinogens in the sunscreen, easily verified, which you've been ignorantly putting on your skin and that of your loved ones. You'd sooner not undermine your brittle self esteem and unravelling world view. So be it. Pharmaceutical companies would never prime you for future profit would they?
rarosera 3 months ago
@rarosera
No, I've been trying to bait you into you into making claims about substances based on your gullibility of believing the promotional sales pitches of "organic natural" sunscreen sellers.
cancerwaDOTasnDOTau/resources/cancermyths/sunscreen-cancer-myth
GregOrca 3 months ago
@GregOrca I see you don't have the iniciative to compile that list from your sunscreen so I'll give you these as a short cut. I'd love to see your face drop whilst watching these...
/watch?v=DCiG1WxBgTE
/watch?v=ouaMyiXmlAk&feature=related
/watch?v=bEh3_JBDErw&feature=related
/watch?v=5Rym0ZcdI5c
/watch?v=L6t_lhoOUB0
So, like earlier, CHECK MATE moron! ROTFLMAO.....
rarosera 3 months ago
@rarosera
Now you are spreading further bullshit.
Leonard Coldwell is a scam artist who sells meditation Cds and repeats long debunked claims that microwaved water kills plants etc It doesn't .
Retinal palmitate has not yet been proven to have negative effects.
The results of the NTP study showed an increase in tumors regardless of whether the animals were exposed to retinyl palmitate so it is not clear what the effects of retinyl palmitate were. Thus the FDA does not warn about it.
GregOrca 3 months ago
@rarosera
Yes my faced dropped in astonishment at your scientific illiteracy and gullibility in believing the claims of bullshit artists on youtube.
Russell Blaylock is a BS artist who makes unscientific nonsense claims such as Gulf War syndrome was caused by Squalene in anthrax vaccines.
ciencebasedmedicineDOTorg/index.php/swine-flu-vaccine-fearmongering/
You are trying to distract attention from the fact you are ignorant of basic science and you fell for the chemtrail hoax!
GregOrca 3 months ago
@GregOrca Oh I see how things work in Puppet Man's world, anything that goes along with your belief system is bonafide whereas anything that challenges it is BS. Interesting. Seems like you are also somehow miraculously qualified in biochemistry and know about Gulf War syndrome... OK, so, WHAT caused it?
rarosera 3 months ago
@GregOrca So you don't knonw what caused Gulf War Syndrome, yet you claim to know what DIDN'T cause it. You are an absolute fool. Same goes for chemtrails, you claim to know what they are not whilst having nothing but theory to back you up, no real evidence to go with the theory, just theory.
rarosera 3 months ago
@rarosera
And the fact is that your gullibility with respect to sunscreens is matched only by your extreme ignorance of atmospheric science.
The fact that you disputed the volume of water produced in hydrocarbon combustion proves that you simply do not have the intellectual capability nor understanding of basic science to discerning the scientific validity of anything you read.
You fall for one hoax after another. I bet you were gullible enough to believe in the cheerleader dystonia hoax
GregOrca 3 months ago
@GregOrca I have no idea what you're talking about with this 'cheerleader dystonia hoax'. But I am interested in understanding how you can be such a cretinous fool as to accuse me of gullibility when you have had ample opportuninty to list the ingredients in your sunscreen to verify for yourself whether my claim is true or not but have seen fit to NOT compile this list. No wonder you are under the illusion that you have knowledge... chemistry knowledge indeed...lol! PROVE IT! Make that list!
rarosera 3 months ago
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@rarosera
Here's a reminder of your profound ignorance.You wrote:
""And yes I do dispute your 'fact' about fuel burned. Why do i dispute this? Is there any way i can demonstrate what nonesense you qrite? Yes. Two words; Car exhaust. According to you for every litre of petrol you get 1.3 litres of water. So, where is this water?"
GregOrca 3 months ago
@rarosera
How about I put you out of your misery with regards to Petrol.
Petrol is a mixture or "blend" of hydrocarbons of different carbon lengths, but let's look at octane C8H18
To get a balanced chemical equation, 2C8H18 + 25O2 ~> 16CO2 + 18H2O
looking at molar weights we have 114grams per mol of octane, water 18grams per mol.
So 228grams of octane combust to produce 324grams of water
MORE water as exhaust than the original amount of octane
Back to kindergarten for you
GregOrca 3 months ago
@GregOrca Where is your list of known human carcinogens as found in the ingredients on your suntan lotion/sunscreen. Anything you write other than that will be seen as an attempt to avoid the question; WHY ARE THERE KNOWN HUMAN CARCINOGENS CLASSED AS NOT SAFE AT ANY LEVEL IN SUNSCREEN LOTIONS SOLD OVER THE COUNTER? And I will keep repeating this question until you stop sucking your thumb, grow some balls and check that list.
rarosera 3 months ago
@rarosera
Now cocaine has been detected drifting in the air in europe.
digitaljournalDOTcom/article/272599
Therefore using your sort of philosopher's "logic" the best explanation of lines in the sky is that they are lines of Coke!
Perhaps that's how all those pilots manage to be more alert than a tosser like you and understand how burning decane produces more water than the original amount of fuel .
GregOrca 3 months ago
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@GregOrca Where is your list of known human carcinogens as found in the ingredients on your suntan lotion/sunscreen. Anything you write other than that will be seen as an attempt to avoid the question; WHY ARE THERE KNOWN HUMAN CARCINOGENS CLASSED AS NOT SAFE AT ANY LEVEL IN SUNSCREEN SOLD OVER THE COUNTER? And I will keep repeating this question until you stop sucking your thumb, grow some balls and check that list.
rarosera 3 months ago
@rarosera
Now let's look at your hilarious comments:
"And yes I do dispute your 'fact' about fuel burned. Why do i dispute this? Is there any way i can demonstrate what nonesense you qrite? Yes. Two words; Car exhaust. According to you for every litre of petrol you get 1.3 litres of water. So, where is this water?"
Are you really that ignorant?
BTW, I was referring to kerosene which is largely decane. Do you know ANYTHING about organic chemistry?
Seems not.
GregOrca 3 months ago
@rarosera
Now lets hear you explain again how ice crystals can't last for 24hours.
I think you really need to inform the organisers of the winter olympics before they make massive fools of themselves
GregOrca 3 months ago
@GregOrca Your mind is not capable of putting things into perspective - as your rigid thinking lacks the flexibility to adapt to new information. There have always been people like you, from sunrise sacrificers to flat earthers - and it is always your type that have to eat their words. A cancer holocaust of under 50s every single year is nothing to you, right? It's not symptomatic of anything. So, how about you explain your magical ice crystals, or has the weather ALWAYS been hazy and cloudy?
rarosera 3 months ago
@rarosera
ROFLMAO.
Go and have a read of what apophenia means.
Whilst you're there have the winter Olympics committee responded to your assertion that ice crystals can't last longer than 24 hours?
GregOrca 3 months ago
@rarosera
Similarly, as populations begin to have a larger percentage of Older people, there becomes an increase in cases of arthritis, bunnions, dicky knees, cankles, liverspots, hairy ears and WRINKLES!
Wow, can we use "Chemtrails" to explain the increase in incidence of grey hair and wrinkly skin etc in general populations?
Morons like you would probably do so but in reality they just represent a demographic shift to proportionally more older people in populations
GregOrca 3 months ago
Everyone have a careful watch of the following videos and see that the trails are merely the well documented and well understood phenomenon of "persistent contrails". Even the concorde left them .
watch?v=annkM6z1-FE
watch?v=POAvBgRaliE
watch?v=zDdxb6W7nWU
watch?v=TSi6n4DA3UA
watch?v=kQ_yoNPvY-4
watch?v=Gjzc7PdPl7Q
GregOrca 3 months ago
@rarosera
If someone is testing an aircraft it is hardly unidentified to the pilot is it.
If you bother to learn about aviation you would know from Ben Rich's autobiography that the U2, A12 (Sr71) Have Blue , F117 and Northrop B2 were all tested and developed at Groom lake.
Virtually all aircraft are unidentifiied flying objects to chemtrail believers because extreme ignorance of aviation is a prerequisite for chemtrail belief.
GregOrca 3 months ago
@GregOrca What jibberjabber you write! What if the pilot of your aircraft is also 'unidentifed', does that mean that he is 'not true' or that the term 'unidentified' is void of meaning? No. That you write, 'That fact (that there are classified aircraft at Area 51) has nothing to do with claims of crashed alien spaceships etc' - This shows that your beliefs override your knowledge - as you cannot possibly know whether that statement is true or not..Same with chemtrails, hence my 'check mate.'
rarosera 3 months ago
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@rarosera
"Ther 'natural' level of alluminium in soil cannot be known by me or you or anybody else "
"Ice crystals cannot persist for a whole day of sunlight." 'crystalised water droplets' which evaporate in seconds.
Really dude, you are putting on a great comedy routine, but I suspect you don't realise how funny you are
GregOrca 3 months ago
Now let's explore the profound ignorance displayed by your post that ridicules my combustion fact: "Every ton of fuel burnt results in 1.3 tons of water in the exhaust." Do you want to revise that statement? If not then don't tell the 'water powered car' guys about this or they'll be burning fuel just to get more litres of water out of it than the liters of fuel burnt..
Your study of philosophy has led you to such a sad position at the bottom of the bell curve.
How typical
How revealing .
GregOrca 3 months ago
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GregOrca 3 months ago
A cat's breath results in a trail of chemicals. Ants leave trails of chemicals for navigation. All motorised engine powered vehicles leave trails of chemicals as do ALL living organisms. All these result in chemical trails yet the term "chemtrails" in conspiracy idiom refers specifically to the trails in the sky behind jet aircraft, trails that in reality are normal persistent contrails of water ice crystals.
The major chemical they are comprised of is WATER with tiny amounts of soot.
GregOrca 3 months ago
@GregOrca Look at the lengths you go to to prop up your argument. This is because your position is untenable. In the same breath you accept and deny chemtrails, absurdities aside - surmissing that because cadmium sulphide trails are immediately visible all other aerosolised chemicals must have equal opacity. You can't begin to imagine that there are grouips of people who have no interest whatsoever in you knowing what they are doing. You call us 'conspiracy theorists' - they call you 'goyim.'.
rarosera 3 months ago
@rarosera
The predominant chemical labelled as being the composition of the trails is aluminium oxide.
"What in the world are they spraying" specifically identifies it as being the material in the trails!
It has NO INVISIBLE STATE.
Sorry dude but in the real world matter obeys the laws of physics.
Aluminium oxide CANNOT be invisible and then miraculously appear 50 ft behind a plane's engines
In every post you display complete ignorance of basic science
GregOrca 3 months ago
@GregOrca Don't waste your time telling me your opinion, tell it to John Holdren, Advisor to President Obama for Science and Technology. Why don't you educate HIM about your version of the laws of physics? Or, here's a thought... Why don't you inform David Keith, Geoengineer, that what he is engaged in is something that he is not engaged in. That should make perfect sense to your form of logic. /watch?v=jf0khstYDLA 05:49
And that, my friend, is CHECK MATE. Thanks for playing.
rarosera 3 months ago
@rarosera
You mean THIS David Keith?
watch?v=_SFVYRZPXLs
ROFLMAO!
GregOrca 3 months ago
@GregOrca Yes, that very same David Keith. Let's start another game, does Area 51 Exist?
rarosera 3 months ago
@rarosera
You mean Groom Lake Nevada?
GregOrca 3 months ago
@GregOrca No, Groom Lake is a geographical feature..I said 'Area 51.'
rarosera 3 months ago
@rarosera
Groom lake Nevada is a dry lake classified military base for testing experimental aircraft.
It is the base commonly described as Area 51
The workers fly in and out of Las Vegas daily
GregOrca 3 months ago
@GregOrca Why are you describing Groom Lake when the question has been stipulated as being about Area 51? It's a simple question. Why are you having such difficulty answering a straight YES or NO? Does Area 51 EXIST?
rarosera 3 months ago
@rarosera
The classified base at groom lake Nevada exists. The name Area 51 exists.
You are trying equate the semantics about the name of the base as somehow supporting your delusional belief in "chemtrails".
It is a childish ploy.
How are you going with calculating the chemical equation of the combustion of Kerosene?
Any progress understanding basic oxidation? Most 16 year olds can do it.
Why has basic reality escaped your grasp?
GregOrca 3 months ago
@GregOrca Is Area 51 the name of the base at Groom Lake?
rarosera 3 months ago
@rarosera
Area 51 is the public idiom name for the base. In other words a mythical name that most likely has nothing to do with the actual name or even code name of the base.
It is like people calling the condensation of someone's breath in cold weather "smoke".
Does smoke exist?
Yes
Is the cloud appearing from someone's breath in the cold "smoke"
No.
GregOrca 3 months ago
@GregOrca So you believe this Area 51 conspiracy theory? You disappoint me.
rarosera 3 months ago
@rarosera
No, what you said does not follow logically from what I said at all.
I said the popular name for the groom lake base is "Area 51".
The fact that the base exists in no way supports the delusional claims about it.
The base has a long history for testing experimental aircraft.
That fact has nothing to do with claims of crashed alien spaceships etc being tested
Nowhere did I indicate I have any belief in the claims about the base.
GregOrca 3 months ago
@GregOrca Don't try to backtrack. When I asked about Area 51 you responded with "You mean Groom Lake Nevada?! and then "The classified base at groom lake Nevada exists. The name Area 51 exists." Given that the alleged location for this 'classified military base called Area 51' is Groom Lake, and that you admit to its existence, that makes you a conspiracy theorist. Are you now or have you ever worn a tinfoil hat to stop those at Groom Lake from 'reading your thoughts?'
rarosera 3 months ago
@rarosera
You are a child.
I highly doubt you are 40 as you behave like an 18 year old.
No, I am not admitting to any conspiracy about Groom lake.
There is no mystery about Groom Lake base' s existence. It is clearly visible in satellite imagery and has been extensively photographed for decades.
I know that the popular term for the base is "Area 51" which is why I suggested you are referring to the groom lake airbase.
It's aircraft testing has nothing to do with conspiracy beliefs
GregOrca 3 months ago