My main point is that this is not a simple issue. As far as I can see, it does no good to name-call or label those we disagree with. The TV-induced mentality of "liberals" vs "conservatives" is what really sucks. The world is not a cable news split-screen.
Lastly, I don't think it was okay to splatter Osama Bin Laden's brains all over the place. I think every effort should have been made to bring him to trial. I don't think this was ever the intention of the American government or their allies. I think it would have proved a difficult task for them to try to prove a connection between him and 9/11, or even the existence of a structured terror organization named Al Qaeda of which he was the leader, & it all would've raised some awkward questions.
Obama ordered the targeted killing of Anwar al-Awlaki, an American citizen living in Yemen who "counterterrorism officials say...is an operative of Al Qaeda." No evidence presented, no indictment, no conviction, no request for extradition, just an order for the killing of an American citizen.
Another interrogator was quoted as saying, "Torture does not save lives. Our enemies use it as a recruiting tool. Foreign fighters came to Iraq because of torture and abuse and cost us hundreds if not thousands of American lives."
Suspects are captured and detained indefinitely without ever being convicted or even charged with a crime. As if it's not bad enough that it happens to foreigners, it could also happen to American citizens. In fact, the Obama Administration has taken things further.
As for effectiveness, if you listen to interrogators' accounts instead of just politicians', there are cases where torture caused suspects to stop cooperating. For example, the Bush Administration and some members of the media used bin Laden associate Abu Zubayda's case as a success story, even though Ali Soufan, one of his interrogators, says Zubayda gave up all useful information before the harsh techniques began, and ceased to do so once they did.
You have to understand that 'enhanced interrogation' does not just include water boarding. Detainees have been hung upside down, beaten, drenched in water and left outside to freeze, among other things. These practices have led to the deaths of over 100 detainees, nearly all convicted of NO crime, so this notion that "they're terrorists, they deserve it" really isn't well founded.
who cares about these criminals?! get over it! they get waterboarded. you do realize that when they captured an american they do things like say... fucking BEHEAD people!! stop bitching like pussies
He was a wanted criminal and tried to resist with deadly force. Waterboarding they are taking helpless prisoners and subjecting them to torture for information that can eventualy just be forced out of them whether its true or not. Your presentation of this is hysterical in that your purposely fish out whatever confliction you can to manipulate it to your own supportive needs of a foolish view point.
@Mr91Nissan240sx, KSM was not giving in to any type of interrogation and it took over 100 times to break him with waterboarding, and once he was finally broken it is well documented by Nat Geo and the History Channel that he sang like a bird, and we foiled at least 2 attacks from the information gained. One of which was the plot on the Library Towers in LA. Yes, dumping water down his nose to give him the "sensation" that he is drowning was the proper and RIGHT thing to do.
spfccsmft :Wow! I think you're right. Thank you for finally identifying the book I rad so many years ago. TY, TY, TY!
jsentoch 6 months ago
I think the book you read once is called Three Tales of My Father's Dragon.
spfccsmft 6 months ago
My main point is that this is not a simple issue. As far as I can see, it does no good to name-call or label those we disagree with. The TV-induced mentality of "liberals" vs "conservatives" is what really sucks. The world is not a cable news split-screen.
spfccsmft 6 months ago
Lastly, I don't think it was okay to splatter Osama Bin Laden's brains all over the place. I think every effort should have been made to bring him to trial. I don't think this was ever the intention of the American government or their allies. I think it would have proved a difficult task for them to try to prove a connection between him and 9/11, or even the existence of a structured terror organization named Al Qaeda of which he was the leader, & it all would've raised some awkward questions.
spfccsmft 6 months ago
Obama ordered the targeted killing of Anwar al-Awlaki, an American citizen living in Yemen who "counterterrorism officials say...is an operative of Al Qaeda." No evidence presented, no indictment, no conviction, no request for extradition, just an order for the killing of an American citizen.
spfccsmft 6 months ago
Another interrogator was quoted as saying, "Torture does not save lives. Our enemies use it as a recruiting tool. Foreign fighters came to Iraq because of torture and abuse and cost us hundreds if not thousands of American lives."
Suspects are captured and detained indefinitely without ever being convicted or even charged with a crime. As if it's not bad enough that it happens to foreigners, it could also happen to American citizens. In fact, the Obama Administration has taken things further.
spfccsmft 6 months ago
As for effectiveness, if you listen to interrogators' accounts instead of just politicians', there are cases where torture caused suspects to stop cooperating. For example, the Bush Administration and some members of the media used bin Laden associate Abu Zubayda's case as a success story, even though Ali Soufan, one of his interrogators, says Zubayda gave up all useful information before the harsh techniques began, and ceased to do so once they did.
spfccsmft 6 months ago
You have to understand that 'enhanced interrogation' does not just include water boarding. Detainees have been hung upside down, beaten, drenched in water and left outside to freeze, among other things. These practices have led to the deaths of over 100 detainees, nearly all convicted of NO crime, so this notion that "they're terrorists, they deserve it" really isn't well founded.
spfccsmft 6 months ago
Libreals are fucking traitors.
minnesotastategop 7 months ago
@minnesotastategop have you watched John Perkins Confessions of an economic hitman. worth a watch, made me look at things from a different angle.
hopaloop 6 months ago
Amazing... Muslims torture and murder innocents brutally but pour water on a terrorist and liberals everywhere scream and shout.
And BTW, most liberals suported Osama and are angry that we kileld him. I know because I saw it on youtube and i was at an anti war rally in Maine.
mainestategop 8 months ago
who cares about these criminals?! get over it! they get waterboarded. you do realize that when they captured an american they do things like say... fucking BEHEAD people!! stop bitching like pussies
carpediem8691 8 months ago
He was a wanted criminal and tried to resist with deadly force. Waterboarding they are taking helpless prisoners and subjecting them to torture for information that can eventualy just be forced out of them whether its true or not. Your presentation of this is hysterical in that your purposely fish out whatever confliction you can to manipulate it to your own supportive needs of a foolish view point.
Mr91Nissan240sx 9 months ago
@Mr91Nissan240sx, KSM was not giving in to any type of interrogation and it took over 100 times to break him with waterboarding, and once he was finally broken it is well documented by Nat Geo and the History Channel that he sang like a bird, and we foiled at least 2 attacks from the information gained. One of which was the plot on the Library Towers in LA. Yes, dumping water down his nose to give him the "sensation" that he is drowning was the proper and RIGHT thing to do.
JLaw012 8 months ago
cool
jamiebby1218 9 months ago