Even their prophet Gordon Hinckley admitted in a televised interview they know very little about the afterlife, that it is all a matter of faith. This video seems to be arguing specifics which even the Mormon prophets don't claim to have.
The problem here is belief systems. If you believe God is a man who will pass judgment on you, then in the flesh you are a servant to his will. If you believe we are spiritual beings living a physical moment, so who we truly are (Spirits) will learn, then you are free to choose and you will progress according to the universal law of higher consciousness.
If you are an atheist then you believe you can do what ever you want and hope for the best. Let everyman believe what he wants. Let him be free to choose. Remember truth is only what you believe truth is. Facts are unchanged because they follow universal laws (Scientific). Judge no man by his truth. By his character shall he be known…
The saying is Families can be together forever, it's not Families are guarenteed to be together forever. If we don't follow the Lord's set path to return to him, he can not promise nothing, like it says in D&C 82:10, "I, the Lord, am bound when ye do what I say; but when ye do not what I say, ye have no promise." The Lord does not hand things out like some may think, he wants to see us do our best, it is only then when we have done our best when he steps in and says, it is enough.
Chances are high that you have a family member, perhaps a more distant family member like a cousin, who will not be worthy to enter the celestial kingdom. Young people are leaving the church at such a high rate that the general authorities are deeply concerned.
So according to LDS doctrine and the realities of many people's unworthiness to enter the celestial kingdom, most families will not, in fact, be together forever.
@iqlusionblogspot Like I said there is no guarentee, it's because of people's choices not to live the commandments that they won't. as far as young people leaving the church at a high rate that the General Authorities are deeply concerned, where is the proof of that?
@iqlusionblogspot It's peoples choices that make it impossible for families to be together, not God's, nor is it the church. God gives simple commands to follow that would allow Families to be together forever, it is up to the individual if they want to keep them or not. If you want to put blame on someone put it on the individual/s and not the church. FYI, the statement, "Young people are leaving the church at such a high rate that the General Authorities are deeply concerned", is unfounded.
1. The stake president I talk to once a month or so is the one who told me that "young people are leaving the church at such a high rate that the General Authorities are deeply concerned". As you may know, stake presidents regularly go to training meetings where general authorities preside.
2. No matter whose sins prevent most families from being together forever, the LDS Church is still guilty of pushing a greatly exaggerated (i.e., false) message. For most families, no chance.
So the best we can say about the church is that it is selling an unrealistic message. It would be better if the church said, "Families can be together, but given the reality of people's choices, your family is likely to fail."
It would make more sense if the church taught, "Families can be together in theory, but given the reality of people's choices, your family is likely to fail."
@iqlusionblogspot . . . everyone should "try" to live their life to the fullest regardless of their denomination. Youth need guidance and direction. If parents don't do their job; we will have kids run a muck. Listen to your parents or those in authority. Be grateful you don't have a religion that tells you at age 6 that you're going to hell and burn in the brimstone. Listen to your heart and what it tells you; it will never lead you wrong.
Everyone that dies (good/bad) meets God (the bright light they see after death) and gets an "unconditional love embrace", then they see their entire life. Then they are placed according to their "work" on earth (like an SAT exam). Progression continues in the next life, which makes it "very" possible to be together as family forever. This is what the Native Americans call "Happy hunting ground" We believe in life after death and our families wait. Listen to some NDE.
I'm so glad to hear that. The prophets can quit railing against the youth for their sins because in fact the youth can progress after they die and don't need to live a righteous life here on earth. Let's all worry about righteousness later--not here on earth
@iqlusionblogspot . . . why are you so angry? the prophet isn't railing on anyone, he is the mouth piece. we all have our free agency to do as we wish with our life. i'm a mom and bestowed to rail on my children, because I want the best for them. if my adult children choose rebellion; I can't be stand and interfere with their "free agency". All I can do is be the best example, pray and love them unconditionally . . . like God. We will be family forever unless the family member is a murderer.
if any of u did some real research u would know that there are actually 10 heavens, each with a specific name and purpose. google it or are you just a follower believing anything you hear without finding our for yourself?????
@iqlusionblogspot still haven't done ur homework huh??? . all believers in Christ will go to the Celestial Kingdom. get a clue......what information are u reading from......stop getting in your own way.
pffffffffffffft obviously the weak minded will never get this doctrine. it's sad. just keep trolling the internet with your worthless videos. and repent because doing vids like this is not christ like, and YOUUUUUUUUU fall way far from teh glory of God
But I'm curious... if your Mom turned permanently to wickedness for some reason (please try to imagine, for the sake of argument), but everyone else in your family stayed righteous, in what sense would your family be together forever? That the righteous in your family would, in the afterlife, be able to visit your Mom in a lesser kingdom/degree of glory hardly makes your family "together forever".
@iqlusionblogspot You over analyze man. Don't assume just because you don't have the answer to this "forever family" dilema right at this moment. that it won't be given to you eventually. You should know God works in his own ways and his own time. Realize that salvation is individual and exaltation is of the family. Though sad as it might be your mom or dad might not make it to the highest degree. BUT why should that stop you? are you letting someone elses actions decide your fate? good luk man
And, with the help of Jesus, he assigns people to three different degrees of glory depending on how they behaved in this life. That's Mormon doctrine (ask your Bishop, if necessary), and that's why families that have even one unrighteous member in them can't be together forever.
The LDS church also does not believe it is hard to get into the Celestial Kindom. Those people that have different life styles and are on the outside looking in are those who say it is difficult. If you have a true love of Christ, it can be made easy. It's easy for me.
Oh, that's great to hear. I guess my brother who drinks beer and looks at racy web sites and rarely attends sacrament meeting will still be with the rest of the family in the celestial kingdom.
The LDS church, which I belong to believes that families CAN be together forever. Not that every family will. It is all dependent upon the choices made by individuals in the family. Everyone has their own free agency. Everyone also has the opportunity and is encouraged to repent. Families can in fact be together forever.
"Not that every family will. It is all dependent upon the choices made by individuals in the family."
And that's why the great majority of families will not be together forever. Steadfast sinners--which exist in most Mormon families as either distant or near relatives (who doesn't have a thoroughly apostate uncle or cousin?)--break the "chains" that hold together families that hope to be together forever.
If all Jen's family members are worthy to enter the celestial kingdom, but Jen's choices make her unworthy, in what sense will Jen's family be together forever?
This video gets it wrong. Latter-day Saint doctrine is misconstrued, misrepresented, and misapplied here. To get the truth visit lds.org, or mormon.org, or talk to a Latter-day Saint.
@eeikman: God is the judge of whether someone falls short, not you. Either you don't understand Christ, His doctrine, and His divinely restored church or you do understand and you purposely twist Christ's doctrine to fit your own deceptive purposes. In either case, stop. Worry about yourself, or you might be the one found to fall short at the final judgment. You should spend your time in positive, uplifting pursuits, not telling lies and trying to tear down God's work. It's bad for your soul.
@hturt4 *God is the judge of whether someone falls short, not you* No, but if you don't pay a full tithe, let even the smallest lustful thought enter your mind, and die without repenting? How about all those times you masturbated and didn't confess to the Bishop? Sorry, you're not Celestial Kingdom material at all.
@eeikman You've got it all wrong. God is much more merciful than you give Him credit. Repentance is always available. That is abundantly clear in all of scripture and in every General Conference talk. All of us are a work in progress and won't achieve perfection in this life--trajectory is the important thing. This is abundantly clear in LDS doctrine. Besides, if you are consciously sinning, you can exercise faith in Christ and start on the path to repentance. Get on the right trajectory.
@hturt4 If 2 Nephi 25:23 is the word of God, then it would absolutely bind you. Your efforts to be good would be weighed against what you "might have done" if you had made better choices. If you fall short, you will not be allowed to dwell with God, as the Word of God _must_ be fulfilled. Even _one_ bad choice would disqualify you since it is not "all you can do".
Gods word is everlasting, unchanging:
Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
@hturt4 Man, I have some bad news. To attain 100% of the human potential to be good or "after all you can do" is up there with St. Theresa and other selfless people that work tirelessly. You are not going to make it into the Celestial Kingdom.
@eeikman So, according to your interpretation of a few verses of scripture read in a vacuum, no one but Jesus will make it to the Celestial Kingdom because only He is perfect. This is YOUR incorrect interpretation. This is NOT what The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints teaches, nor is this what scripture (all of scripture read together) teach. My friend, your understanding is seriously lacking. You appear to be suffering terrible guilt. Forgive yourself, pray for forgiveness. Move on.
@hturt4 *So, according to your interpretation... no one but Jesus will make it to the Celestial Kingdom because only He is perfect.* The reading of 2 Nephi 23:25 is very plain. You must do everything in your power, holding nothing back. The simple point I am trying to make is that the LDS doctrine is basically flawed. It is an "impossible religion" that will keep you laboring and wondering if you're "good enough" for the rest of your life.
@hturt4 *you purposely twist Christ's doctrine* The Gospel means "The Good News". The constant wonder if I've done "all I can do" is not good news, man.
I signed in just to comment your ridiculous video, I would just like to say that Families can be together forever.. and you should do some real research!! I will be with my family for eternity with our father in heaven which is in Celestial kingdom.
My favorite quote " 'Life is to be enjoyed, not just endured" - Gordon B.Hinckley
Families can and WILL be together forever! We have much more choice and freedom than you think.All is well and we are right. AND before you spit out scathing lies of wich you have no inkling.PLease try reading OUR scriptures,and the KJV Bible wich is also ours.And research and not from disgruntled EXCOMMUNICATED Mormons,I mean really, would you ask your enemy for a reccomendation.Don't you think he would LIE ,because after all his goal is to destroy you. OR maybe just Ask GOD he knows the truth
AGAIN. People talking about something they don't know anything about! I bet you are a baptist aren't you why are you people sooooo scared of this faith? Just ask a latter Day Saint any thing you want they will answer you or find some that can
I just love those who do not understand our religion yet take the time to prove it wrong. Sorry guys, you didn't study this doctrine hard enough...or even at all.
Are you serious? I know that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is spot on or the devil wouldn't have such a problem with us! But Jesus was persecuted for His faith, and tells us that we will be too. Woe to those who are the instruments of that persecution. Mormons believe that we are saved by grace, but not cheap grace that allows us to claim Jesus, then do whatever we want to do...but the grace that Jesus spoke of when he said, "If you love me, keep my commandments."
Mark 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother. LDS Doctrine is the same as Christ's doctrine. He calls all to follow Him, We can do much to help our family Strive to follow the Saviour for He has paid the price for them, And He will judge a fair judgement. You can't ask any more than that.
@cheerwine01 ... Oh I'm sorry I thought this was a place to write truthful comments. So ether you are misinformed or you are trying to misguide others with your foundation-less comments; Because I do Believe in Christ and I strive to follow Him. If you think you are my Judge it is you who has left him behind.
@CTR831 Because Jesus came to America and you will one day be a God?
Mormonism will be torn apart by God's greater truth if it does not change.
I feel much pity on the righteous, kind members of this mammoth political machine who feel forced into both physical and financial service and hope that they see the holes in their hate-binded platform.
Polygamy? Really? Sounds to the real world like a deplorable sex-addict's fantasy.
@cheerwine01 you tell me something, do you believe in a god that will save you just for claiming that you believe in him? If so why would he have even given the 10 commandments. If anything they were meant for people today! our world is full of sin, and everyone glorifies it! I believe in a god that stuck to what he said. Keep his commandments, Endure to the end, and so on. And for polygamy, study up buddy, we havent practiced polygamy since the church was founded.
@cheerwine01 How does mormonism destroy peoples lives? Mormonism has done more 4 people than ive seen most other religions do. Most sit in their chapels and donate money to pay their pastor with. In multiple natural disasters, mormons were able 2 mobilize and get a bunch of food and supplies to the disaster sites before even the red cross.
And also how do we fight the constitution? You cannot make a point without backing it up. and i still stand by what i said earlier about the 10 commandments
@Coolcow6 You destroyed the lives of gay Californians.
And if your defense is that: the United Methodist Church formed UMCOR to meet the needs of not only the victims of natural disasters, but feeds the hungry, provides free healthcare, and boards, clothes, and feeds refugees of political turmoil via a single donation time every year of which 100% of the proceeds go directly to relief.
And yes. We always get there before the Red Cross.
@cheerwine01 ... Oh I thought this was a place to write truthful comments; either you are misinformed or you are misguiding others with your fictitious comments; because I do believe in Christ and I strive to follow Him. You are not my Judge, if you think you are it is you who has left Him behind.
there is nothing hard about making to the celestial kingdom. there are things required of you, like being a good person and doing your best, and taking advantage of the atonement of Christ. sadly, the person that put this together has absolutely no understanding of LDS doctrine, and is spewing lies. i encourage them to learn more before making any judgements.
You really should learn something about the Church and its beliefs BEFORE you put a video like this together! You are so far off base it is laughable.
In what sense is a family together forever if all the most righteous members are in the celestial kingdom and those who weren't as righteous end up in a lesser kingdom?
A simulation: you want a paycheck, you go to work. you work hard and keep the job. then you get a paycheck. that's how it is there,with the church. You want to go to the celestial kingdom you gotta work for it. we aren't just gonna give it to you. God will show you how to get there, you just gotta OPEN your eyes. open your mind and your heart and stop be stubborn.
ANYTHING WORTH IT, you have to work hard for.laziness is stupidness. God will teach you that one day, He taught me that. one love!
A simulation: you want a paycheck, you go to work. you work hard and keep the job. then you get a paycheck. that's how it is there,with the church. You want to go to the celestial kingdom you gotta work for it. we aren't just gonna give it to you. God will show you how to get there, you just gotta OPEN your eyes. open your mind and your heart and stop be stubborn.
ANYTHING WORTH IT, you have to work hard for. laziness is stupidness. God will teach you that one day, He taught me that. one love!
You are right krimmola, it is beyond everyone's capabilities to return to the presence of God, that's why we profess the need for a living and resurrected Savior to help us get there. The temple directs us to Christ and that which would draw us closer to God.
However, if you are a HATER and for whatever reason have an agenda and want to try to make our church look wrong or ridiculous, then it is possible to take our precious knowledge and twist the reasoning around and make it sound confusing. Be careful when you do this. You are not in alignment with our Heavenly Father and the Holy Spirit must turn away from this. Bless you. I pray that you will eventually find peace and stop trying to hurt other people.
I'm so glad that the more I learn about our church and it's doctrine, the more comfortable I am with everything that I was so worried about before. As we are taught "line upon line and precept upon precept", I come to certain knowledge that I lacked before and all the questions that I had are answered satisfactorily. It is true that if you take certain teachings out of context, it doesn't make sense. But there is order when you search for knowledge and LEGITIMATELY want the answers.
Is there an elevator to the different stages of celestial heaven? If so, families that reach different levels can visit each other, then stop by at starbucks , lets say on level 2, and have cup cakes and coffee for a chat. Then after that, they can all be re-united, then go back to their celestial levels where they came from.
That way, families wont have to be separated forever , or they can get a cab to Kolob ,and have a chat with Smith.
Just so ya know, brigham said that we could as single people could make it to the celistial kingdom and women can be sealed to more than one man... you dont know much about us do you...be honest.
@shuswap97 i find it funny that you are accusing others of being brainwashed yet you are Mormon. I've been there sixteen years. If you want to know the truth and not be brainwashed then do your OWN research. Not what the missionaries tell you to do.
Pray about the book and you will get an answer.
When you get that answer its true? Really? If a liquid looks like water it is water?
@shuswap97 How do you know its true? Its changed many times. Which version of the book is true? It used to say that the Native Americans ARE the principle ancestors of the Lamanites. Now since 2007 it says they are only among them. Which version is true?
You think you know because you got an emotional feeling which the elders told you you would feel. Is that enough? really?
If a liquid looks like water is it actually water? Couldnt be pure alcohol? Research it
@shuswap97 Its not that i dont believe you. I believe you are sincere and do really believe it just as i did before i didnt know the facts.
I don't believe the "gospel" (good news) of the Mormon church because it has been proven false by science and also commands things such as polygamy. How is polygamy "good news"?
@shuswap97 That is a false statement. The church doesnt allow physical polygamy anymore, but still allows polygamous sealings (spiritual marriages) to more than one wife. Women can only be sealed to one man.
If you dont believe me then ask your Bishop for a copy of the church handbook of instructions and read it for yourself. It says men can be sealed and married after their wife dies. Women can only get married, but not sealed to more than their first husband.
It is luducrous to beleive that it takes a Masonic ritual in a mormon temple for a family to be reunited in the next life. The mormon teaching of forever families is just bait and switch advertising. The promise gets people to join, and the amount of kow-towing to leaders required to believe you will be together is beyond most people's capabilities, so they lament.
Families ARE eternal! how can Heaven be a fullness of joy otherwise? Are we not Gods children? a good principle to understand here is MERCY. God is full of it. Oh if only we all had less pride and a greater understanding of Gods Plan...
this is so much of a lie! because if your your family was rightous and did everything they had to do theyw ould ALL be be sent to the celestral kingdom! and they could vsist any loved ones in the whole kingdom! learn your facts!
@daughterofGodforever *Families CAN be together forever!!!!!* Many people come from horrible families. I would like to believe there is something better waiting for them after death than that fate! If you reach the highest level of heaven, won't you be procreating for Eternity? Sounds more like Hell. Your god-husband will have a harem of 1,000,000 and very little time to help with your spirit offspring.
LOL... This is similar to a Catholic making commentary on one part of one aspect of Judaism. There is much more to this doctrine than what is presented here.
@BaurakAle7 Most Christians I've dialogged with believe that repentance is a one-shot deal--repent once, then you are saved and never have to repent for anything again. You are in the minority.
James in the Bible would disagree with you on the works thing. Works alone won't save us, but good works are proof of our true faith in Jesus Christ, so they are related to salvation.
"19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." (New Testament | Matthew 16:19)
If a man and woman are married on this earth by one having the same authority as Christ gave Peter, that marriage will not only be bound on earth, but will be bound in heaven as well. In other words, the marriage will be bound for eternity.
@BaurakAle7 lol...where have you been? I've acknowledged for YEARS that Christ is the beginning and end of my salvation,and that I can do nothing without Him. I've known that for a long time now. However, I disagree that grace is a blank check that covers all sin with just a one-time repentance. That implies that if we hurt someone else through our actions, we don't need to apologize to them. Aren't simple things like apologies a form of repentance? I believe they are.
@BaurakAle7 ... you sound as if I've advocated that Jesus is not necessary in our lives, which I certainly have NOT advocated. I've said MANY times the if it were not for what He did for us, we would all be lost forever. I can find numerous quotes from the Bible, Book of Mormon, and D&C that state the same thing. So, I guess I don't know what you are attempting to prove. All LDS believe that Jesus is the only way to heaven. Without Him, we're "screwed". (You included.)
@BaurakAle7 ... besides the fact that you are not my judge, nor the judge of any Mormon, I don't have to account to you for whatever sins I may have (and I do have them--everyone does including you).
@BaurakAle7 Eternal marriage and eternal families is biblical. I feel sorry for the person who doesn't have enough love for their spouse that the thought of not being able to spend eternity with them doesn't bother them. And, yes, Jesus had to be sinless in order to accomplish what he did (resurrection, taking all our sins upon himself, etc.) But, we don't have to be sinless to get to heaven. The idea that ONE lie is enough to send us to hell is stupid. There is such a thing as repentance.
Yet another classic example of an anti-Mormonism type who does not comprehend LDS doctrine and beliefs, yet tries to prove from LDS writings--unsuccessfully so--that what the church says is not really what they mean. I'm always amused by this type of behavior. Jesus NEVER sought out others with the intention of bagging on their beliefs. But these folks, just like the Pharisees did with Jesus, seek out Mormons all the time (all in the name of love, of course). Families CAN be together forever!
@BaurakAle7 you are welcomed to your own opinion. These people obviouly live the way they believe their life should be lived for the hope in something (eternal families) which is a lot more comforting than living for nothing. Valid or not, if the time should come where there beliefs are proved wrong then so be it. They have lived a good life. If they are right however I wonder how you would feel? perhaps you should just leave them alone or join them. Up to you.
Wow, You are VERY DEPRESSING........and getting to the Celestial Kingdom is not hard, a you have to do is Obey gods commandments and live it to its fullest. so, you are a very strange person for making this video.
@RkahkshiKZ Satan does not exist so therefore the ONLY influence that as inspired this film comes from the interpretations of the Mormon Doctrine by the person who posted this film.
Families CAN be together, but the only one that can stop thier own personal progress into achieving eternal life with family are the "Jens" themseves who choose not to follow Christ's teachings. It's all about agency and the desire to persevere. We either choose the right way or the wrong way. So don't put the blame on Christ's Church, its all up to the indvidual.
OK, so please explain how my righteous (by LDS standards) parents will have an eternal family if "Satan did a very good job" with my parents' child (me).
Look to the source, folks. The temple is simply an embellishment of something that already existed in Joseph's time (Masonry), as is everything else he created. Research how the temple came to be on FAIRLDS.org (the member endorsed defense website) and you'll see how it's all a sham. If not then go to mormonthink, also member endorsed.
This video shows our lack of understanding regarding the things of God. Even though The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the only true church does not mean it's members, including the General Authorities, have a perfect knowledge of the Eternities. No one has claimed to have the knowledge of God. Seems silly to me to listen to a non-member speculate in lieu of listening to a true and living Prophet who is ordained to reveal the things God wants us to know and understand.
You wanna know the truth about how Mormons treat one another? It's very shallow and superficial in public. They mostly care about themselves and their own salvation. I know because I was involved for 20 years and "GREW" in the pure Love of Jesus Christ into Christianity where people are taught to "LOVE" one another "UNCONDITIONALLY" and treat each other how they'd like to be treated. Watch this video it could change your life. (minus the space between W's) w w w .youtube.com/watch?v=5HuGzoDG_OY
For all those haters of the Mormon church...STOP HATING!!! even though you hear bad things about us dosent mean there true!! people make up lies about the church!!!
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints is the only true church upon the face of the earth;we believe the Bible to be the word of God, as far as it is translated correctly; we also, believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God; Joseph Smith, was a true prophet of God, i know that God lives and Jesus is the Christ, and God the Holy Ghost; and special thanks to our Heavenly Mother too; with out mothers there will be no creation;
but seriously get your facts strait and do your research! Have you actually ever talked to LDS missionaries or even been to an LDS church??? And about Jen its not our fault whether jen is worthy or not it is Heavenly Father that is the JUDGE, we didnt created the church jesus did, if you have a problem with the church you have a problem with JESUS!!!
Well, all I can tell you is to read the Book of Mormon and then ask God if it's true. He WILL tell you. But you have to WANT to know. You have to ask with REAL intent.
"But behold, I say unto you, that you must study it out in your mind; then you must ask me if it be right, and if it is right I will cause that your bosom shall burn within you; therefore, you shall FEEL that it is right."
I did all that... read the Book of Mormon, pondered it, prayed sincerely, just like it says in Moroni. And my answer from God is that the Boof of Mormon is false, and that the Mormon church is false.
I guess you better pray again.... you're probably in the wrong church.
I'm sorry but I don't agree with you. Once your family is sealed in the temple it is forever. No matter what kingdom you end up in they are still your family. No matter what mistakes one makes. Yes, getting to the Celestial Kingdom isn't easy but all long as you live a rightous life and repent and do your best you will make it. And plus if you don't make it they will teach you up there so you can, so you can be together again. Brother or Sister I hope u see that -Signed a 12 year old Morman girl
The LDS Mormons break up "forever" families and brainwash you into believing that you will NOT be with family members that have not gone through J. Smith designed temple ceremonies. They even believe a parent should be banned from their own childs wedding in temples IF they are not worthy (judging). We were still following a madman with bipolar disease, who secretly married children and wanted total control over everyone mind. After the mob got rid of him Brigham Young the murderer took over.
@latterdaymystic wow.......Judging by your name.....you are obviously a Troll......25-70 yearold troll, with NOTHING better to do than to bash a reigion. and it is not judging someone if they are truly not worthy to enter the temple. they cannot be Stealing, cheating, and lying and get to enter its walls. so, its not judging,just what needs to be done.
That is not true,families can be together forever.Things somebody has done can be forgiven if they repent,then they can be with their family.That is one thing I want,is to be with my children and my sister who was murdered by her husband.My children passed away in 92 and 93.I know they are in celestial heaven and that is where I want to be,with them and my wonderful,devoted husband.And we live our lives the best we can,the best we can for us and others.
I'm very sorry to hear about the loss of your children. You've made a doctrinal mistake if you believe "they are in celestial heaven"--check with your bishop about what the church teaches about the spirit world.
@iqlusionblogspot - the church doctrine teaches that every children under 8 years of age go straight to celestial kingdom when they die. Also the children born under the covenant also receive special blessing that their parents faithfulness and righteousness can help them enter the celestial kingdom. If you really look into the gospel doctrines we teach in the church with open mind and heart, you will be able to see how perfect it is and how it cannot have been made up by a 14 year old boy. :)
"the church doctrine teaches that every children under 8 years of age go straight to celestial kingdom when they die"
That not LDS doctrine. If you check with your bishop or stake president, you should be able to get clarity about what happens to very young children when they die. They are not automatically exalted, but they can be (there's a hint).
@iqlusionblogspot Are you being serious man.... I was a missionary for 2 years teaching the doctrine of the church.. and you are telling me what we believe?? FYI my dad was a bishop.
And it is clearly stated that ALL children who dies before they reach their accountable age which is 8, gets exalted to the celestial glory. If you want to argue I suggest you study bit more about what we really teach and believe and come back to me sir:)
hey here is exactly what we believe about that matter: Doctrine and Covenants section 137:10 - and I also beheld that all 'children who die before they arrive at the years of accontability are saved in the celestial kingdom of heaven'.
That is from doctrine and covenants word for word. I encourage you to read the who section of 137 though, it talks about who and how God will judge who goes to which kingdom of glory. :) hope that helped your misunderstanding.
In LDS doctrine, children who die before the age of eight are exempt from teachings such as "Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God".
Neverthless, I'm happy that you have a passion in what you believe in. I can tell that you are very strong and faithful in whatever faith you belong to:)
@cajunnanaof4 I appreciate your comments on this video. Don't let what this individual has said in the video, or his reply to you get you down. You and your children will be together providing you live in accordance with the covenants you have made and they have been sealed to you. The poster of this video does not understand the doctrine properly.
Many "Jen's" will come around.... They'll feel the love and prayers from their families, repent and be able to be with their families forever. We were put in families so we could help each other out, learn to love each other, and enjoy being together as a family forever. We CAN be together forever with the Lord's help; many of those who have strayed will find their way back.
To be honest, I think the concept of eternal families has been "disneyfied" to appeal to families in the world today. Logically, though, this is questionable doctrine. What I believe we're really talking about is one family, that is the family of God. Of course, this means family in the extended sense, and not the nuclear. Those who attain a celestial glory will be sealed up into this family. However, I cannot say how exactly the relations we enjoy now will be, but adjustment is surely required.
@Quedibong Great one!!!! Yes, families can be together. But of course, if someone has a behaviour not in line with the Gospel, he must be judged, like everyone. But if he wants to be together forever, he has the possibility
You'd better check with that stake president of yours again. It wouldn't be the first time LDS leaders couldn't agree on doctrine, but this teaching seems especially unlikely to be endorsed by Salt Lake.
But what a great deal for heathen like me! If the Telestial Kingdom doesn't suit me, I can change my mind later, right? I'll do whatever I want now and change my mind in the Telestial Kingdom if I feel like it! I'm not one to drown in guilt about things I did ages ago, so this sounds wonderful.
I did say that it might not be doctrine, but it is prophecy and semi-doctrine that people who have not had the opportunity to accept the gospel can go ahead and move into the celestial kingdom by baptism by proxy or acceptance in the afterlife.
Families CAN be together forever and whether your church really believes that or not most people deep down have that desire to be reunited with loved ones after they leave this life.
No. I am pointing out that whether or not your church teaches that you can be together as a family it is an inherant desire that we virtually all have.
Through modern revelation we know that families can be together forever. What therefore God hath joined together let no man put asunder. Whatsoever thou bind on earth shall be bound in Heaven.
You miss the fact where in heaven you can move up to the celestial kingdom, and your higher family members can come visit you from the celestial kingdom.
I am not sure if or where it says this in Doctrine and Covenants, but we know that everyone who is in the outer darkness, telestial kingdom, or terrestrial kingdom, can eventually move up to the celestial kingdom if the accept the gospel and live by it. I was told this by a stake president. It is all linked to baptisms for the dead.
@JohnRhysMusician: this is not correct doctrine. D&C 88 clearly teaches against this. Besides, baptism is the gate into the telestial, not the celestial. I suggest a closer study of D&C 76, and also the endowment.
Thank you for your honesty. There are a lot of people online trying to defend the church without a correct understanding of the doctrine, so those members of the church who actually understand what the church teaches are much appreciated and you enrish the discussions.
@iqlusionblogspot well, I'm just calling it as I understand it. I think what the church teaches is just a very small part of what may be learned about the gospel. Otherwise, we'd be a whole lot wiser on the whole! =D
@iqlusionblogspot This has clearly turned into an argument about doctrinal correctness. The mechanics of exactly how families can be together, beyond what is done upon this earth to make it so, are not known to you. To make a video entitled, "families cannot be together forever", you are stating that it is not possible at all. For one to say that they "can" be together forever is to say that it IS possible - but not guaranteed. Your assumptions have led to gross generalization and error.
@iqlusionblogspot In addition to your gross generalization, let me add that anyone who has attended a sealing ceremony and has listened to it, knows that you are incorrect in your assumptions. There is more to it than what you have offered here and your willingness to assume you are infallible in your understanding is simply a matter of pride and egoism. To those who have felt any faltering of hope or faith due to this posting, let me assure you, what is presented in this video is incorrect.
Even their prophet Gordon Hinckley admitted in a televised interview they know very little about the afterlife, that it is all a matter of faith. This video seems to be arguing specifics which even the Mormon prophets don't claim to have.
RagTagPatriot 1 week ago
The problem here is belief systems. If you believe God is a man who will pass judgment on you, then in the flesh you are a servant to his will. If you believe we are spiritual beings living a physical moment, so who we truly are (Spirits) will learn, then you are free to choose and you will progress according to the universal law of higher consciousness.
YouWillSee2 4 months ago
If you are an atheist then you believe you can do what ever you want and hope for the best. Let everyman believe what he wants. Let him be free to choose. Remember truth is only what you believe truth is. Facts are unchanged because they follow universal laws (Scientific). Judge no man by his truth. By his character shall he be known…
YouWillSee2 4 months ago
The saying is Families can be together forever, it's not Families are guarenteed to be together forever. If we don't follow the Lord's set path to return to him, he can not promise nothing, like it says in D&C 82:10, "I, the Lord, am bound when ye do what I say; but when ye do not what I say, ye have no promise." The Lord does not hand things out like some may think, he wants to see us do our best, it is only then when we have done our best when he steps in and says, it is enough.
ZenMormon 4 months ago 5
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Chances are high that you have a family member, perhaps a more distant family member like a cousin, who will not be worthy to enter the celestial kingdom. Young people are leaving the church at such a high rate that the general authorities are deeply concerned.
So according to LDS doctrine and the realities of many people's unworthiness to enter the celestial kingdom, most families will not, in fact, be together forever.
iqlusionblogspot 4 months ago
@iqlusionblogspot Like I said there is no guarentee, it's because of people's choices not to live the commandments that they won't. as far as young people leaving the church at a high rate that the General Authorities are deeply concerned, where is the proof of that?
ZenMormon 4 months ago
@iqlusionblogspot It's peoples choices that make it impossible for families to be together, not God's, nor is it the church. God gives simple commands to follow that would allow Families to be together forever, it is up to the individual if they want to keep them or not. If you want to put blame on someone put it on the individual/s and not the church. FYI, the statement, "Young people are leaving the church at such a high rate that the General Authorities are deeply concerned", is unfounded.
ZenMormon 3 months ago
@ZenMormon
1. The stake president I talk to once a month or so is the one who told me that "young people are leaving the church at such a high rate that the General Authorities are deeply concerned". As you may know, stake presidents regularly go to training meetings where general authorities preside.
2. No matter whose sins prevent most families from being together forever, the LDS Church is still guilty of pushing a greatly exaggerated (i.e., false) message. For most families, no chance.
iqlusionblogspot 3 months ago
@ZenMormon
So the best we can say about the church is that it is selling an unrealistic message. It would be better if the church said, "Families can be together, but given the reality of people's choices, your family is likely to fail."
(Not quite as catchy, I know.)
iqlusionblogspot 1 month ago
@ZenMormon Amen. That's just about exactly what I was going to comment with in response to this video. Could not have said it better.
FighterOfWhatsRight 2 weeks ago
@FighterOfWhatsRight
It would make more sense if the church taught, "Families can be together in theory, but given the reality of people's choices, your family is likely to fail."
iqlusionblogspot 2 weeks ago
@iqlusionblogspot . . . everyone should "try" to live their life to the fullest regardless of their denomination. Youth need guidance and direction. If parents don't do their job; we will have kids run a muck. Listen to your parents or those in authority. Be grateful you don't have a religion that tells you at age 6 that you're going to hell and burn in the brimstone. Listen to your heart and what it tells you; it will never lead you wrong.
asdzanyazhi7 4 months ago
@iqlusionblogspot.
Everyone that dies (good/bad) meets God (the bright light they see after death) and gets an "unconditional love embrace", then they see their entire life. Then they are placed according to their "work" on earth (like an SAT exam). Progression continues in the next life, which makes it "very" possible to be together as family forever. This is what the Native Americans call "Happy hunting ground" We believe in life after death and our families wait. Listen to some NDE.
asdzanyazhi7 4 months ago
@asdzanyazhi7
I'm so glad to hear that. The prophets can quit railing against the youth for their sins because in fact the youth can progress after they die and don't need to live a righteous life here on earth. Let's all worry about righteousness later--not here on earth
iqlusionblogspot 4 months ago
@iqlusionblogspot . . . why are you so angry? the prophet isn't railing on anyone, he is the mouth piece. we all have our free agency to do as we wish with our life. i'm a mom and bestowed to rail on my children, because I want the best for them. if my adult children choose rebellion; I can't be stand and interfere with their "free agency". All I can do is be the best example, pray and love them unconditionally . . . like God. We will be family forever unless the family member is a murderer.
asdzanyazhi7 4 months ago
Where in the bible does it say you cant be with your family ? Only by jesus nothing else
bobbyraejohnson 4 months ago
if any of u did some real research u would know that there are actually 10 heavens, each with a specific name and purpose. google it or are you just a follower believing anything you hear without finding our for yourself?????
dgantt951 4 months ago
@iqlusionblogspot still haven't done ur homework huh??? . all believers in Christ will go to the Celestial Kingdom. get a clue......what information are u reading from......stop getting in your own way.
dgantt951 4 months ago
pffffffffffffft obviously the weak minded will never get this doctrine. it's sad. just keep trolling the internet with your worthless videos. and repent because doing vids like this is not christ like, and YOUUUUUUUUU fall way far from teh glory of God
lamanitareal87 5 months ago
@lamanitareal87
My bishop couldn't explain it either.
But I'm curious... if your Mom turned permanently to wickedness for some reason (please try to imagine, for the sake of argument), but everyone else in your family stayed righteous, in what sense would your family be together forever? That the righteous in your family would, in the afterlife, be able to visit your Mom in a lesser kingdom/degree of glory hardly makes your family "together forever".
iqlusionblogspot 4 months ago
@iqlusionblogspot You over analyze man. Don't assume just because you don't have the answer to this "forever family" dilema right at this moment. that it won't be given to you eventually. You should know God works in his own ways and his own time. Realize that salvation is individual and exaltation is of the family. Though sad as it might be your mom or dad might not make it to the highest degree. BUT why should that stop you? are you letting someone elses actions decide your fate? good luk man
lamanitareal87 4 months ago
I invite any and all of you to visit mormon.org. Then you can truly know what Latter Day Saints are all about.
haloanglbaby 5 months ago
Our Heavenly Father in no way expects us to be perfect. He looks on our hearts. Not on how many things we managed to succeed in.
haloanglbaby 5 months ago
@haloanglbaby
And, with the help of Jesus, he assigns people to three different degrees of glory depending on how they behaved in this life. That's Mormon doctrine (ask your Bishop, if necessary), and that's why families that have even one unrighteous member in them can't be together forever.
iqlusionblogspot 4 months ago
The LDS church also does not believe it is hard to get into the Celestial Kindom. Those people that have different life styles and are on the outside looking in are those who say it is difficult. If you have a true love of Christ, it can be made easy. It's easy for me.
haloanglbaby 5 months ago
@haloanglbaby
Oh, that's great to hear. I guess my brother who drinks beer and looks at racy web sites and rarely attends sacrament meeting will still be with the rest of the family in the celestial kingdom.
iqlusionblogspot 4 months ago
The LDS church, which I belong to believes that families CAN be together forever. Not that every family will. It is all dependent upon the choices made by individuals in the family. Everyone has their own free agency. Everyone also has the opportunity and is encouraged to repent. Families can in fact be together forever.
haloanglbaby 5 months ago
@haloanglbaby
"Not that every family will. It is all dependent upon the choices made by individuals in the family."
And that's why the great majority of families will not be together forever. Steadfast sinners--which exist in most Mormon families as either distant or near relatives (who doesn't have a thoroughly apostate uncle or cousin?)--break the "chains" that hold together families that hope to be together forever.
iqlusionblogspot 4 months ago
Wow bro, study a little harder. I love people like you who hear one little piece of info and twist it around. Very intertaining
Parrish8879 5 months ago
@Parrish8879
If all Jen's family members are worthy to enter the celestial kingdom, but Jen's choices make her unworthy, in what sense will Jen's family be together forever?
iqlusionblogspot 5 months ago
This video gets it wrong. Latter-day Saint doctrine is misconstrued, misrepresented, and misapplied here. To get the truth visit lds.org, or mormon.org, or talk to a Latter-day Saint.
hturt4 6 months ago
@hturt4 By grace you are saved, after all you can do, (2 Nephi 25:23)
In the simulation, poor Jen just falls a bit short of "all you can do", doesn't she?
Aw, it's ok, if you fall short, God will smile and let you into the Celestial Kingdom anyway, because God doesn't _really_ mean what He says, does He?
eeikman 5 months ago
@eeikman: God is the judge of whether someone falls short, not you. Either you don't understand Christ, His doctrine, and His divinely restored church or you do understand and you purposely twist Christ's doctrine to fit your own deceptive purposes. In either case, stop. Worry about yourself, or you might be the one found to fall short at the final judgment. You should spend your time in positive, uplifting pursuits, not telling lies and trying to tear down God's work. It's bad for your soul.
hturt4 5 months ago
@hturt4 *God is the judge of whether someone falls short, not you* No, but if you don't pay a full tithe, let even the smallest lustful thought enter your mind, and die without repenting? How about all those times you masturbated and didn't confess to the Bishop? Sorry, you're not Celestial Kingdom material at all.
eeikman 5 months ago
@eeikman You've got it all wrong. God is much more merciful than you give Him credit. Repentance is always available. That is abundantly clear in all of scripture and in every General Conference talk. All of us are a work in progress and won't achieve perfection in this life--trajectory is the important thing. This is abundantly clear in LDS doctrine. Besides, if you are consciously sinning, you can exercise faith in Christ and start on the path to repentance. Get on the right trajectory.
hturt4 5 months ago
@hturt4 If 2 Nephi 25:23 is the word of God, then it would absolutely bind you. Your efforts to be good would be weighed against what you "might have done" if you had made better choices. If you fall short, you will not be allowed to dwell with God, as the Word of God _must_ be fulfilled. Even _one_ bad choice would disqualify you since it is not "all you can do".
Gods word is everlasting, unchanging:
Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
eeikman 5 months ago
@hturt4 Man, I have some bad news. To attain 100% of the human potential to be good or "after all you can do" is up there with St. Theresa and other selfless people that work tirelessly. You are not going to make it into the Celestial Kingdom.
eeikman 5 months ago
@eeikman So, according to your interpretation of a few verses of scripture read in a vacuum, no one but Jesus will make it to the Celestial Kingdom because only He is perfect. This is YOUR incorrect interpretation. This is NOT what The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints teaches, nor is this what scripture (all of scripture read together) teach. My friend, your understanding is seriously lacking. You appear to be suffering terrible guilt. Forgive yourself, pray for forgiveness. Move on.
hturt4 5 months ago
@hturt4 *So, according to your interpretation... no one but Jesus will make it to the Celestial Kingdom because only He is perfect.* The reading of 2 Nephi 23:25 is very plain. You must do everything in your power, holding nothing back. The simple point I am trying to make is that the LDS doctrine is basically flawed. It is an "impossible religion" that will keep you laboring and wondering if you're "good enough" for the rest of your life.
eeikman 5 months ago
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@hturt4 *you purposely twist Christ's doctrine* The Gospel means "The Good News". The constant wonder if I've done "all I can do" is not good news, man.
eeikman 5 months ago
I signed in just to comment your ridiculous video, I would just like to say that Families can be together forever.. and you should do some real research!! I will be with my family for eternity with our father in heaven which is in Celestial kingdom.
My favorite quote " 'Life is to be enjoyed, not just endured" - Gordon B.Hinckley
Lds for lifeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1Troubl3zLokz3 6 months ago
Families can and WILL be together forever! We have much more choice and freedom than you think.All is well and we are right. AND before you spit out scathing lies of wich you have no inkling.PLease try reading OUR scriptures,and the KJV Bible wich is also ours.And research and not from disgruntled EXCOMMUNICATED Mormons,I mean really, would you ask your enemy for a reccomendation.Don't you think he would LIE ,because after all his goal is to destroy you. OR maybe just Ask GOD he knows the truth
8704100 6 months ago 2
Please research more before posting misinformation
lunalucy90 6 months ago
And to cheerwine6. God is against homosexuality or do you only read the parts that suit you
Aldensmawmaw 7 months ago
AGAIN. People talking about something they don't know anything about! I bet you are a baptist aren't you why are you people sooooo scared of this faith? Just ask a latter Day Saint any thing you want they will answer you or find some that can
Aldensmawmaw 7 months ago
Ancient Jews built boats and sailed to America
wagmaster5000 7 months ago
I just love those who do not understand our religion yet take the time to prove it wrong. Sorry guys, you didn't study this doctrine hard enough...or even at all.
1356sjoberg 7 months ago
Families can be together forever.
msr35 7 months ago 11
Are you serious? I know that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is spot on or the devil wouldn't have such a problem with us! But Jesus was persecuted for His faith, and tells us that we will be too. Woe to those who are the instruments of that persecution. Mormons believe that we are saved by grace, but not cheap grace that allows us to claim Jesus, then do whatever we want to do...but the grace that Jesus spoke of when he said, "If you love me, keep my commandments."
hav3grndkds 8 months ago
That is such a joke. To whoever made this you may think twice about slamming the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints!!
JoJoHeath1 8 months ago
Mark 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother. LDS Doctrine is the same as Christ's doctrine. He calls all to follow Him, We can do much to help our family Strive to follow the Saviour for He has paid the price for them, And He will judge a fair judgement. You can't ask any more than that.
CTR831 8 months ago
@CTR831 No, no it isn't. The LDS doctrine is forgetting one of the most recited Bible verse in Protestantism; John 3:16
the dramatic music? really?
somewhere along the line- you guys left Jesus behind.
cheerwine01 8 months ago
@cheerwine01 ... Oh I'm sorry I thought this was a place to write truthful comments. So ether you are misinformed or you are trying to misguide others with your foundation-less comments; Because I do Believe in Christ and I strive to follow Him. If you think you are my Judge it is you who has left him behind.
CTR831 8 months ago
@CTR831 Because Jesus came to America and you will one day be a God?
Mormonism will be torn apart by God's greater truth if it does not change.
I feel much pity on the righteous, kind members of this mammoth political machine who feel forced into both physical and financial service and hope that they see the holes in their hate-binded platform.
Polygamy? Really? Sounds to the real world like a deplorable sex-addict's fantasy.
cheerwine01 8 months ago
@cheerwine01 you tell me something, do you believe in a god that will save you just for claiming that you believe in him? If so why would he have even given the 10 commandments. If anything they were meant for people today! our world is full of sin, and everyone glorifies it! I believe in a god that stuck to what he said. Keep his commandments, Endure to the end, and so on. And for polygamy, study up buddy, we havent practiced polygamy since the church was founded.
Coolcow6 7 months ago
@Coolcow6 Multiple Bible verses tell us that anyone who believes is saved, in an array of different ways.
Words of Jesus, not Joseph Smith.
Now let's be honest, I adore your choirs. But anyone can sing a chord.
The question is are you so hell bent on destroying other people's lives that you are unconcious of their feelings?
And are you really willing to fight the constitution for the sake of a less than real afterlife that glorifies one's self rather than the creator?
cheerwine01 7 months ago
@cheerwine01 How does mormonism destroy peoples lives? Mormonism has done more 4 people than ive seen most other religions do. Most sit in their chapels and donate money to pay their pastor with. In multiple natural disasters, mormons were able 2 mobilize and get a bunch of food and supplies to the disaster sites before even the red cross.
And also how do we fight the constitution? You cannot make a point without backing it up. and i still stand by what i said earlier about the 10 commandments
Coolcow6 7 months ago
@Coolcow6 You destroyed the lives of gay Californians.
And if your defense is that: the United Methodist Church formed UMCOR to meet the needs of not only the victims of natural disasters, but feeds the hungry, provides free healthcare, and boards, clothes, and feeds refugees of political turmoil via a single donation time every year of which 100% of the proceeds go directly to relief.
And yes. We always get there before the Red Cross.
Point backed up.
Screw your ignorance.
I'm goin' to sleep.
cheerwine01 7 months ago
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@cheerwine01 ... Oh I thought this was a place to write truthful comments; either you are misinformed or you are misguiding others with your fictitious comments; because I do believe in Christ and I strive to follow Him. You are not my Judge, if you think you are it is you who has left Him behind.
CTR831 8 months ago
this didn't even make sense....it didn't even explain anything...lol what the heck man
haylaebay 8 months ago
there is nothing hard about making to the celestial kingdom. there are things required of you, like being a good person and doing your best, and taking advantage of the atonement of Christ. sadly, the person that put this together has absolutely no understanding of LDS doctrine, and is spewing lies. i encourage them to learn more before making any judgements.
imhooton 8 months ago
You really should learn something about the Church and its beliefs BEFORE you put a video like this together! You are so far off base it is laughable.
DrAnnBlakeTracy 9 months ago
wow!!! where do you people get your information????? do some real researsh will ya.
dgantt951 9 months ago 11
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In what sense is a family together forever if all the most righteous members are in the celestial kingdom and those who weren't as righteous end up in a lesser kingdom?
iqlusionblogspot 4 months ago
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A simulation: you want a paycheck, you go to work. you work hard and keep the job. then you get a paycheck. that's how it is there,with the church. You want to go to the celestial kingdom you gotta work for it. we aren't just gonna give it to you. God will show you how to get there, you just gotta OPEN your eyes. open your mind and your heart and stop be stubborn.
ANYTHING WORTH IT, you have to work hard for.laziness is stupidness. God will teach you that one day, He taught me that. one love!
kindkatied 9 months ago
A simulation: you want a paycheck, you go to work. you work hard and keep the job. then you get a paycheck. that's how it is there,with the church. You want to go to the celestial kingdom you gotta work for it. we aren't just gonna give it to you. God will show you how to get there, you just gotta OPEN your eyes. open your mind and your heart and stop be stubborn.
ANYTHING WORTH IT, you have to work hard for. laziness is stupidness. God will teach you that one day, He taught me that. one love!
kindkatied 9 months ago
You are right krimmola, it is beyond everyone's capabilities to return to the presence of God, that's why we profess the need for a living and resurrected Savior to help us get there. The temple directs us to Christ and that which would draw us closer to God.
tucancr 9 months ago
However, if you are a HATER and for whatever reason have an agenda and want to try to make our church look wrong or ridiculous, then it is possible to take our precious knowledge and twist the reasoning around and make it sound confusing. Be careful when you do this. You are not in alignment with our Heavenly Father and the Holy Spirit must turn away from this. Bless you. I pray that you will eventually find peace and stop trying to hurt other people.
magtownlds 9 months ago
I'm so glad that the more I learn about our church and it's doctrine, the more comfortable I am with everything that I was so worried about before. As we are taught "line upon line and precept upon precept", I come to certain knowledge that I lacked before and all the questions that I had are answered satisfactorily. It is true that if you take certain teachings out of context, it doesn't make sense. But there is order when you search for knowledge and LEGITIMATELY want the answers.
magtownlds 9 months ago
Is there an elevator to the different stages of celestial heaven? If so, families that reach different levels can visit each other, then stop by at starbucks , lets say on level 2, and have cup cakes and coffee for a chat. Then after that, they can all be re-united, then go back to their celestial levels where they came from.
That way, families wont have to be separated forever , or they can get a cab to Kolob ,and have a chat with Smith.
999LDS 9 months ago
diz video is funny....go do something useful with ur life nd leave da church alone...You have no rights to Judge other people in what they believe!!
Luv090487 9 months ago
We shall see....
greentavern 9 months ago
Just so ya know, brigham said that we could as single people could make it to the celistial kingdom and women can be sealed to more than one man... you dont know much about us do you...be honest.
rjdnephi 9 months ago
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shuswap97 9 months ago
@shuswap97 i find it funny that you are accusing others of being brainwashed yet you are Mormon. I've been there sixteen years. If you want to know the truth and not be brainwashed then do your OWN research. Not what the missionaries tell you to do.
Pray about the book and you will get an answer.
When you get that answer its true? Really? If a liquid looks like water it is water?
crazy456eyes 9 months ago
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shuswap97 9 months ago
@shuswap97 How do you know its true? Its changed many times. Which version of the book is true? It used to say that the Native Americans ARE the principle ancestors of the Lamanites. Now since 2007 it says they are only among them. Which version is true?
You think you know because you got an emotional feeling which the elders told you you would feel. Is that enough? really?
If a liquid looks like water is it actually water? Couldnt be pure alcohol? Research it
crazy456eyes 9 months ago
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shuswap97 9 months ago
@shuswap97 Its not that i dont believe you. I believe you are sincere and do really believe it just as i did before i didnt know the facts.
I don't believe the "gospel" (good news) of the Mormon church because it has been proven false by science and also commands things such as polygamy. How is polygamy "good news"?
crazy456eyes 9 months ago
@crazy456eyes Ah, there you are mistaken. We no longer demand polygamy and haven't done so since around 1890.
shuswap97 9 months ago
@shuswap97 That is a false statement. The church doesnt allow physical polygamy anymore, but still allows polygamous sealings (spiritual marriages) to more than one wife. Women can only be sealed to one man.
If you dont believe me then ask your Bishop for a copy of the church handbook of instructions and read it for yourself. It says men can be sealed and married after their wife dies. Women can only get married, but not sealed to more than their first husband.
Then read D&C 132. POLYGAMY
crazy456eyes 9 months ago
It is luducrous to beleive that it takes a Masonic ritual in a mormon temple for a family to be reunited in the next life. The mormon teaching of forever families is just bait and switch advertising. The promise gets people to join, and the amount of kow-towing to leaders required to believe you will be together is beyond most people's capabilities, so they lament.
drinkswithnedkelly 9 months ago
Families ARE eternal! how can Heaven be a fullness of joy otherwise? Are we not Gods children? a good principle to understand here is MERCY. God is full of it. Oh if only we all had less pride and a greater understanding of Gods Plan...
Mattjn17 10 months ago
this is so much of a lie! because if your your family was rightous and did everything they had to do theyw ould ALL be be sent to the celestral kingdom! and they could vsist any loved ones in the whole kingdom! learn your facts!
gesswhowolf 10 months ago
Searching for the truth sometimes brings you to hard choices.
Dumbeldork 10 months ago
Families CAN be together forever!!!!! I am going to be together with my family FOREVER!
daughterofGodforever 10 months ago
@daughterofGodforever *Families CAN be together forever!!!!!* Many people come from horrible families. I would like to believe there is something better waiting for them after death than that fate! If you reach the highest level of heaven, won't you be procreating for Eternity? Sounds more like Hell. Your god-husband will have a harem of 1,000,000 and very little time to help with your spirit offspring.
eeikman 10 months ago
LOL... This is similar to a Catholic making commentary on one part of one aspect of Judaism. There is much more to this doctrine than what is presented here.
Captain077 10 months ago
This is so off base it's silly.
ImLDSRU2 10 months ago
Whoever believes this doesn't understand the teachings of the LDS church at. all.
cristybrit 10 months ago
@cristybrit Please explain. Thank you.
Shulamitefire 10 months ago
@BaurakAle7 Most Christians I've dialogged with believe that repentance is a one-shot deal--repent once, then you are saved and never have to repent for anything again. You are in the minority.
James in the Bible would disagree with you on the works thing. Works alone won't save us, but good works are proof of our true faith in Jesus Christ, so they are related to salvation.
JediLDS 10 months ago
"19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." (New Testament | Matthew 16:19)
If a man and woman are married on this earth by one having the same authority as Christ gave Peter, that marriage will not only be bound on earth, but will be bound in heaven as well. In other words, the marriage will be bound for eternity.
JediLDS 10 months ago
@BaurakAle7 lol...where have you been? I've acknowledged for YEARS that Christ is the beginning and end of my salvation,and that I can do nothing without Him. I've known that for a long time now. However, I disagree that grace is a blank check that covers all sin with just a one-time repentance. That implies that if we hurt someone else through our actions, we don't need to apologize to them. Aren't simple things like apologies a form of repentance? I believe they are.
JediLDS 10 months ago
@BaurakAle7 ... you sound as if I've advocated that Jesus is not necessary in our lives, which I certainly have NOT advocated. I've said MANY times the if it were not for what He did for us, we would all be lost forever. I can find numerous quotes from the Bible, Book of Mormon, and D&C that state the same thing. So, I guess I don't know what you are attempting to prove. All LDS believe that Jesus is the only way to heaven. Without Him, we're "screwed". (You included.)
JediLDS 10 months ago
@BaurakAle7 ... besides the fact that you are not my judge, nor the judge of any Mormon, I don't have to account to you for whatever sins I may have (and I do have them--everyone does including you).
JediLDS 10 months ago
@BaurakAle7 Eternal marriage and eternal families is biblical. I feel sorry for the person who doesn't have enough love for their spouse that the thought of not being able to spend eternity with them doesn't bother them. And, yes, Jesus had to be sinless in order to accomplish what he did (resurrection, taking all our sins upon himself, etc.) But, we don't have to be sinless to get to heaven. The idea that ONE lie is enough to send us to hell is stupid. There is such a thing as repentance.
JediLDS 10 months ago
Yet another classic example of an anti-Mormonism type who does not comprehend LDS doctrine and beliefs, yet tries to prove from LDS writings--unsuccessfully so--that what the church says is not really what they mean. I'm always amused by this type of behavior. Jesus NEVER sought out others with the intention of bagging on their beliefs. But these folks, just like the Pharisees did with Jesus, seek out Mormons all the time (all in the name of love, of course). Families CAN be together forever!
JediLDS 10 months ago
@BaurakAle7 You have no idea what youre talking about. Just remember this conversation for future reference.
CrazyEvo5 10 months ago
@BaurakAle7 you are welcomed to your own opinion. These people obviouly live the way they believe their life should be lived for the hope in something (eternal families) which is a lot more comforting than living for nothing. Valid or not, if the time should come where there beliefs are proved wrong then so be it. They have lived a good life. If they are right however I wonder how you would feel? perhaps you should just leave them alone or join them. Up to you.
CrazyEvo5 11 months ago
Wow, You are VERY DEPRESSING........and getting to the Celestial Kingdom is not hard, a you have to do is Obey gods commandments and live it to its fullest. so, you are a very strange person for making this video.
eraserchewer 11 months ago
actually catobates thats not confirmed doctrine
brenderino12 11 months ago
One problem with this video is that people in the Celestial Kingdom can visit other people in lower Kingdoms of Glory. So, yeah. There you have it.
catobates 11 months ago
I do NOT agree with this. I am LDS and I believe the opposite that you do
Samanthaisluvable 1 year ago
Getting into the Celestial Kingdom is not hard.
calyman67 1 year ago
@RkahkshiKZ Satan does not exist so therefore the ONLY influence that as inspired this film comes from the interpretations of the Mormon Doctrine by the person who posted this film.
Nice try though.
0WarXHawk0 1 year ago
Families CAN be together, but the only one that can stop thier own personal progress into achieving eternal life with family are the "Jens" themseves who choose not to follow Christ's teachings. It's all about agency and the desire to persevere. We either choose the right way or the wrong way. So don't put the blame on Christ's Church, its all up to the indvidual.
ldsmexlife 1 year ago
@RkahkshiKZ
OK, so please explain how my righteous (by LDS standards) parents will have an eternal family if "Satan did a very good job" with my parents' child (me).
iqlusionblogspot 1 year ago
Look to the source, folks. The temple is simply an embellishment of something that already existed in Joseph's time (Masonry), as is everything else he created. Research how the temple came to be on FAIRLDS.org (the member endorsed defense website) and you'll see how it's all a sham. If not then go to mormonthink, also member endorsed.
madmonk 1 year ago
This video shows our lack of understanding regarding the things of God. Even though The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the only true church does not mean it's members, including the General Authorities, have a perfect knowledge of the Eternities. No one has claimed to have the knowledge of God. Seems silly to me to listen to a non-member speculate in lieu of listening to a true and living Prophet who is ordained to reveal the things God wants us to know and understand.
hoffbegone 1 year ago
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3Deditor 1 year ago
For all those haters of the Mormon church...STOP HATING!!! even though you hear bad things about us dosent mean there true!! people make up lies about the church!!!
webinzluver167894 1 year ago
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints is the only true church upon the face of the earth;we believe the Bible to be the word of God, as far as it is translated correctly; we also, believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God; Joseph Smith, was a true prophet of God, i know that God lives and Jesus is the Christ, and God the Holy Ghost; and special thanks to our Heavenly Mother too; with out mothers there will be no creation;
CWMaua12 1 year ago
I am the only member in my family. This is one reason I intend to stay strong in the church and create my own LDS family one day.
lugia0013 1 year ago
but seriously get your facts strait and do your research! Have you actually ever talked to LDS missionaries or even been to an LDS church??? And about Jen its not our fault whether jen is worthy or not it is Heavenly Father that is the JUDGE, we didnt created the church jesus did, if you have a problem with the church you have a problem with JESUS!!!
MORMONWARRIOR111 1 year ago
@MORMONWARRIOR111
First prove to us that your version (Mormonism) of what God wants is true, and then we'll listen to you.
ScienceReasonBelief 1 year ago
@ScienceReasonBelief
Ask God. He'll tell you. James 1;5
daughterofGodforever 10 months ago
@daughterofGodforever
I did. He told me that your church is false.
ScienceReasonBelief 10 months ago
@ScienceReasonBelief
Have you ever read the Book of Mormon?
daughterofGodforever 10 months ago
@ScienceReasonBelief
Well, all I can tell you is to read the Book of Mormon and then ask God if it's true. He WILL tell you. But you have to WANT to know. You have to ask with REAL intent.
"But behold, I say unto you, that you must study it out in your mind; then you must ask me if it be right, and if it is right I will cause that your bosom shall burn within you; therefore, you shall FEEL that it is right."
daughterofGodforever 10 months ago
@daughterofGodforever
I did all that... read the Book of Mormon, pondered it, prayed sincerely, just like it says in Moroni. And my answer from God is that the Boof of Mormon is false, and that the Mormon church is false.
I guess you better pray again.... you're probably in the wrong church.
ScienceReasonBelief 10 months ago
Your video has been dubbed GAY!!! I have spoken!!!
MORMONWARRIOR111 1 year ago
I'm sorry but I don't agree with you. Once your family is sealed in the temple it is forever. No matter what kingdom you end up in they are still your family. No matter what mistakes one makes. Yes, getting to the Celestial Kingdom isn't easy but all long as you live a rightous life and repent and do your best you will make it. And plus if you don't make it they will teach you up there so you can, so you can be together again. Brother or Sister I hope u see that -Signed a 12 year old Morman girl
NeedMyMusic357 1 year ago
So what happened to Jen?
georgeNconrad 1 year ago
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roundmovement 1 year ago
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roundmovement 1 year ago
The LDS Mormons break up "forever" families and brainwash you into believing that you will NOT be with family members that have not gone through J. Smith designed temple ceremonies. They even believe a parent should be banned from their own childs wedding in temples IF they are not worthy (judging). We were still following a madman with bipolar disease, who secretly married children and wanted total control over everyone mind. After the mob got rid of him Brigham Young the murderer took over.
latterdaymystic 1 year ago
@latterdaymystic wow.......Judging by your name.....you are obviously a Troll......25-70 yearold troll, with NOTHING better to do than to bash a reigion. and it is not judging someone if they are truly not worthy to enter the temple. they cannot be Stealing, cheating, and lying and get to enter its walls. so, its not judging,just what needs to be done.
eraserchewer 11 months ago
I'm a mormon, and i just have one thing to say. LOL.
krimmola 1 year ago 14
That is not true,families can be together forever.Things somebody has done can be forgiven if they repent,then they can be with their family.That is one thing I want,is to be with my children and my sister who was murdered by her husband.My children passed away in 92 and 93.I know they are in celestial heaven and that is where I want to be,with them and my wonderful,devoted husband.And we live our lives the best we can,the best we can for us and others.
cajunnanaof4 1 year ago
@cajunnanaof4
I'm very sorry to hear about the loss of your children. You've made a doctrinal mistake if you believe "they are in celestial heaven"--check with your bishop about what the church teaches about the spirit world.
iqlusionblogspot 1 year ago
@iqlusionblogspot - the church doctrine teaches that every children under 8 years of age go straight to celestial kingdom when they die. Also the children born under the covenant also receive special blessing that their parents faithfulness and righteousness can help them enter the celestial kingdom. If you really look into the gospel doctrines we teach in the church with open mind and heart, you will be able to see how perfect it is and how it cannot have been made up by a 14 year old boy. :)
cutyyoonsung 1 year ago
@cutyyoonsung
"the church doctrine teaches that every children under 8 years of age go straight to celestial kingdom when they die"
That not LDS doctrine. If you check with your bishop or stake president, you should be able to get clarity about what happens to very young children when they die. They are not automatically exalted, but they can be (there's a hint).
iqlusionblogspot 1 year ago
@iqlusionblogspot Are you being serious man.... I was a missionary for 2 years teaching the doctrine of the church.. and you are telling me what we believe?? FYI my dad was a bishop.
And it is clearly stated that ALL children who dies before they reach their accountable age which is 8, gets exalted to the celestial glory. If you want to argue I suggest you study bit more about what we really teach and believe and come back to me sir:)
cutyyoonsung 1 year ago
@cutyyoonsung
Ask your bishop what you're supposed to believe about children who die before they reach the "age of accountability".
iqlusionblogspot 1 year ago
@iqlusionblogspot
hey here is exactly what we believe about that matter: Doctrine and Covenants section 137:10 - and I also beheld that all 'children who die before they arrive at the years of accontability are saved in the celestial kingdom of heaven'.
That is from doctrine and covenants word for word. I encourage you to read the who section of 137 though, it talks about who and how God will judge who goes to which kingdom of glory. :) hope that helped your misunderstanding.
cutyyoonsung 1 year ago
@cutyyoonsung
You win. D&C 137:10 does indeed say that.
In LDS doctrine, children who die before the age of eight are exempt from teachings such as "Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God".
iqlusionblogspot 1 year ago
@iqlusionblogspot
Neverthless, I'm happy that you have a passion in what you believe in. I can tell that you are very strong and faithful in whatever faith you belong to:)
cutyyoonsung 1 year ago
@cajunnanaof4 I appreciate your comments on this video. Don't let what this individual has said in the video, or his reply to you get you down. You and your children will be together providing you live in accordance with the covenants you have made and they have been sealed to you. The poster of this video does not understand the doctrine properly.
criticallistenphile 1 year ago
Many "Jen's" will come around.... They'll feel the love and prayers from their families, repent and be able to be with their families forever. We were put in families so we could help each other out, learn to love each other, and enjoy being together as a family forever. We CAN be together forever with the Lord's help; many of those who have strayed will find their way back.
SumK2009 1 year ago
@SumK2009 Feelings? I thought only God can hear prayers. Whoa, I was wrong on that one.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
To be honest, I think the concept of eternal families has been "disneyfied" to appeal to families in the world today. Logically, though, this is questionable doctrine. What I believe we're really talking about is one family, that is the family of God. Of course, this means family in the extended sense, and not the nuclear. Those who attain a celestial glory will be sealed up into this family. However, I cannot say how exactly the relations we enjoy now will be, but adjustment is surely required.
DadaMungo 2 years ago
Families CAN be together forever. Key word..."Can".
Quedibong 2 years ago 2
Now there's a strong defense!
iqlusionblogspot 2 years ago
@Quedibong "Can through obedience" to guys who believe pharisees are the stuff real men are made of.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
@Quedibong Great one!!!! Yes, families can be together. But of course, if someone has a behaviour not in line with the Gospel, he must be judged, like everyone. But if he wants to be together forever, he has the possibility
krimmola 1 year ago
You might want to look up on that doctrine again because i already know where you went wrong
jcourtneyw 2 years ago
You'd better check with that stake president of yours again. It wouldn't be the first time LDS leaders couldn't agree on doctrine, but this teaching seems especially unlikely to be endorsed by Salt Lake.
But what a great deal for heathen like me! If the Telestial Kingdom doesn't suit me, I can change my mind later, right? I'll do whatever I want now and change my mind in the Telestial Kingdom if I feel like it! I'm not one to drown in guilt about things I did ages ago, so this sounds wonderful.
iqlusionblogspot 2 years ago
I did say that it might not be doctrine, but it is prophecy and semi-doctrine that people who have not had the opportunity to accept the gospel can go ahead and move into the celestial kingdom by baptism by proxy or acceptance in the afterlife.
JohnRhysMusician 2 years ago
In what sense is a family together forever if they are segregated into different degrees of glory?
iqlusionblogspot 2 years ago
Because they can be visited, preached to, and counseled by their family members in the celestial kingdom.
JohnRhysMusician 2 years ago
Families CAN be together forever and whether your church really believes that or not most people deep down have that desire to be reunited with loved ones after they leave this life.
2morrowman 2 years ago
"most people deep down have that desire to be reunited with loved ones after they leave this life"
This is your justification for the assertion you make at the beginning of your sentence?
iqlusionblogspot 2 years ago
No. I am pointing out that whether or not your church teaches that you can be together as a family it is an inherant desire that we virtually all have.
Through modern revelation we know that families can be together forever. What therefore God hath joined together let no man put asunder. Whatsoever thou bind on earth shall be bound in Heaven.
2morrowman 2 years ago
"I am pointing out that whether or not your church teaches that you can be together as a family it is an inherent desire that we virtually all have."
I agree with you 100% there. All neurologically normal humans feel attached to their families and wish they would last forever.
iqlusionblogspot 2 years ago
You miss the fact where in heaven you can move up to the celestial kingdom, and your higher family members can come visit you from the celestial kingdom.
JohnRhysMusician 2 years ago
Can you explain what you mean by "in heaven you can move up to the celestial kingdom"?
In what scripture/conference talk does that idea appear? And if it's true, why not put off repentance until the day you need a celestial promotion?
iqlusionblogspot 2 years ago
I am not sure if or where it says this in Doctrine and Covenants, but we know that everyone who is in the outer darkness, telestial kingdom, or terrestrial kingdom, can eventually move up to the celestial kingdom if the accept the gospel and live by it. I was told this by a stake president. It is all linked to baptisms for the dead.
JohnRhysMusician 2 years ago
@JohnRhysMusician: this is not correct doctrine. D&C 88 clearly teaches against this. Besides, baptism is the gate into the telestial, not the celestial. I suggest a closer study of D&C 76, and also the endowment.
DadaMungo 2 years ago
@DadaMungo
Thank you for your honesty. There are a lot of people online trying to defend the church without a correct understanding of the doctrine, so those members of the church who actually understand what the church teaches are much appreciated and you enrish the discussions.
iqlusionblogspot 1 year ago
@iqlusionblogspot well, I'm just calling it as I understand it. I think what the church teaches is just a very small part of what may be learned about the gospel. Otherwise, we'd be a whole lot wiser on the whole! =D
DadaMungo 1 year ago
@iqlusionblogspot This has clearly turned into an argument about doctrinal correctness. The mechanics of exactly how families can be together, beyond what is done upon this earth to make it so, are not known to you. To make a video entitled, "families cannot be together forever", you are stating that it is not possible at all. For one to say that they "can" be together forever is to say that it IS possible - but not guaranteed. Your assumptions have led to gross generalization and error.
criticallistenphile 1 year ago
@iqlusionblogspot In addition to your gross generalization, let me add that anyone who has attended a sealing ceremony and has listened to it, knows that you are incorrect in your assumptions. There is more to it than what you have offered here and your willingness to assume you are infallible in your understanding is simply a matter of pride and egoism. To those who have felt any faltering of hope or faith due to this posting, let me assure you, what is presented in this video is incorrect.
criticallistenphile 1 year ago