And when there comes to them an Ayah (Sign) they say: "We shall not believe until we receive the like of that which the Messengers of Allah had received.'' Allah knows best with whom to place His Message. (Qur'an Surah al-An'aam Ayah 124)
The Messenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وسلم said, أَلاَ وَإِنَّ فِي الْجَسَدِ مُضْغَةً إِذَا صَلَحَتْ صَلَحَ الْجَسَدُ كُلُّهُ، وَإِذَا فَسَدَتْ فَسَدَ الْجَسَدُ كُلُّهُ. أَلاَ وَهِيَ الْقَلْبُ....
...Verily! There is a piece of flesh in the body which if it is sound the whole body becomes sound but if it gets corrupt the whole body gets corrupt and verily that is the heart.
"I find it very interesting that this sort of information is in the ancient scriptures of the Holy Quran, and I have no way of knowing where they would come from, but I think it is extremely interesting that they are there and that this work is going on to discover it, the meaning of some of the passages." and he does not know the Arabic language.
To answer your question: There are 2 types of dishonesty going on here. The 1st is just uneducated followers who were brought up to believe what they were told. Its tragic, but they dont know better. Its intellectual obedience, and over enough time, they can be deconverted under the same conditions, although a good atheist doesn't coerce people into believing things. And then there are the helmsmen of this SHIP who need to lie to keep it alive, like a bad politician lying themselves to the bank
To sum up my answer, I can't sum up my answer in five hundred characters. They lie because it's what keeps a lie afloat. Lies are very buoyant, but truth floats in the air
Muhammad is a fictional story that was created by Islamist in order to upstage the Jesus myth which is also fiction. None of it can be proven which makes it pure fiction. Faith is the only thing they have and faith is wishful thinking at best. It's a shame that most of our entire population believes in any of this harmful nonsense. People should be focused on humanitarian issues not mind control.
@baxtar2012 I am surer Mohammed existed, but he most likely just using the Bible as an example to fool people into practically worshipping him(with the authority of God of course) lol! He existed; he was just wrong!
@baxtar2012 Muhammad might have been real war lord but i dout that he was miracilus like muslims say. christians and muslims are like north koreans, they have build personlaity cult around thier objects of worship.
@baxtar2012 um Muhammad was a real person dude. He did happen to take over a large part of the Arab world. While he definitely wasn't a messenger of a deity he was a real person.
Religious people come from a teaching that says that at some time there were miraculous events and gods interacting with humans all the time and on any given day you might wake up and see magic. They look around and don't see any of that, so they can't provide evidence. However, they're doing their god's work, so it's okay to then trick people into joining up, as that's the way to heaven or wherever. They know they're lying, but it's for a good cause. I'm sure that's how they rationalize it.
@humaner "The real joke is we built a billion dollar accelerator in Cern looking for the essence of life when child poverty is on the rise in every continent."
What is this nonsense? "Essence of life"? This is science, man, not alchemy!
@dprjones Just a little gripe about the title: "correcting the misrepresentations of William Hay" makes it sound like William Hay is the one doing the misrepresenting rather than the one being misrepresented. I did a bit of a double-take when I saw it, I couldn't quite believe you'd converted to crazy fundamentalist islam!
..." than i went to the hotel, the Meridian...."...fuck...the memory the guy has... is incredible...infact it is much more divine to me than the koran...
If everyone ate more vegetables didnt drink alcohol and didnt urge after endless material items ther would be less life threatening diseases amd wars.Funny how more spiritual life is better for human life.Its science
@humaner You're right and if everyone treated women like shit. Raped them, killed them, or worse forced them to marry their rapists. Killed everyone who didn't think like them, and killed everyone who liked the same gender and sat around in their caves. dying of smallpox, dysentery, exposure, which would quarter the human life span. Then yes. Yes, life would be much better. Moron...
@humaner how exactly? You know. I'd like to have two little children to play with. To teach the world. To share, but sadly I don't have children. Now what else do you assume about me?
@humaner oh and another thing. I find it entirely hypocritical that someone who can send a message, riding on a literal beam of light traveling at the same speed. Which can arrive at it's destination near instantly has the gall to criticize science on a whole. Wake up. your child molesting religion is a bunch of fantasy and fables with no proof whatsoever. Get out of your cave and go outside.
I saw the original video in the late 80's. Shown to me by a muslim schoolfriend who wanted to bring gravitas and modernity to the rationale behind his religion, I felt very suspicious at the time.
Materialistic desires are the root of present global calamities.Spiritual practice solves the unrealistic and destructive tendencies within human mind
The haj allows men and woman to investigate the operations of their surroundings and inner workings as well purify through flushing of food.I believe fasting is useful
Firstly I am not a mislim but believe the practice of muslim is no differemt than buddhist meditation.Strong addictive desires can be controlled by regular pray and meditation.I cannot stand the Christian attacks against muslims and believe hateful comments against spiritual practice.To me spiritual practice is a science related to mental health
@humaner I'm not a troll and I didn't threaten you, and I have no idea what you mean about waterboarding. Pixels cannot harm you any more than you let them. I'm just pointing out that spouting dogmatic nonsense isn't a good idea. I don't like to see anybody attacking anybody else, but I have no problem with criticism of ideas, no matter what the nature of those ideas may be. To attack Muslims is wrong; to criticise Islam is fine. And Islam has many many faults.
@Fordi not at all just that science isnt a perfect emdeavour.Entropy is a problem as is quantumechanics and brain plasticity and theories of time and space.What is certainly evident is that science data can be twisted for self serving ends.My problem is science has discounted physiological elements of spiritual practice.
"My problem is science has discounted physiological elements of spiritual practice."
The word "spiritual" is too fuzzy. You can find studies on meditation's effect on the brain. Sam Harris, for one, is interested in this. But terms need to be defined. We know, for instance, that prayer studies have shown that prayer is ineffective.
Human existence is indeed impermanent. We all end.
What was "fuzzy" 1,000, 500, 200, 50, etc. years ago is now understood, and such will remain the case going forward.
Science is the most effective endeavor for making discoveries about ourselves and the universe. Nothing is "perfect", and you will likely not know what you want to know before you die, no matter how much you squint your eyes, meditate, and say "spiritual."
And science owes you nothing, so don't blame science.
"name calling when you have lost the debate typical."
Woo-based willful ignorance regarding the fact of medical progress is the correct stance?
In your push for a zero-sum game here, you seem to be addicted to the concept of "winning." It's not happening. Blanket generalizations and side-stepping direct points that conflict with said generalizations don't help your case.
@infideluxe I have no case and I believe what I am saying is not woo addled.To me human existence is a trap mired in distortion and delusions all feeding some bizaare outlook.War and poverty could be solved by a discussion on gross national happiness.BTW ancient Buddhist scriptures already postulated a multi universe
system.FYI this is now the pinnacle of astro physical thought.I believe the spiritual is real defineable and a type of valuable human inquiry its called survival.
@ackmonra thankyou for proving my point.Impermance of all science relative to the needs of the moment.The real joke is we built a billion dollar accelerator in Cern looking for the essence of life when child poverty is on the rise in every continent.
Who cares about starving children ? If we don't get our science up to scratch before the next cosmic calamity, atomic war or overpopulation; the entire human race will be wiped out. Get some perspective.
@humaner "The real joke is we built a billion dollar accelerator in Cern looking for the essence of life when child poverty is on the rise in every continent."
The actual real joke is priests raping children since as long as Christianity and Islam existed and they were rarely hunt for it. It's also really funny how we spend trillions of dollars on weapons/porn/drugs and they are also some of the biggest industries in the world while there are starving children as you said. So fun...
@madjimms Find your own hot chick and do your own shit on her, no need for money to be spent on that industry. As for drugs legalize and grow your own weed, don't pay cartels who in turn spend your money on guns. Problem solved.
@Razgrits You do realize that a small percentage of Cannabis is actually shipped in right? its called "mexi weed" here in the NW I have never see any of it, its all grown locally.
@madjimms I didn't said what I said in an attempt to offend you, just explain you the reasons those industries are not needed. You don't need to get neither personal nor defensive with it. I am talking about a wider extent of this issue.
@Razgrits I fail to see how the porn industry "hurts" anything. I totally agree on not spending money on weapons since their only use is to injure & kill.
@Razgrits Well yes, it is better spent as such. But it's becoming increasingly difficult to tell if the organization who receives money to send to 3rd world countries is spending it properly.
@Razgrits gotta laugh at all the thumbs up...I think the raping of children is not just the priesthood nor the only people doing this look at coaches,summer camp counsellors and your neighbour.The idea that people allow pedophilia is incorrect what you are saying is that under the cloak of officialdom it is hidden.Look at Penn State.BTW FYI in Islam there is no official clergy system this is a Western construct and more of the Christian and Catholic religion.
"I have no case and I believe what I am saying is not woo addled."
Cases are made of evidence. Woo-claims are without evidence. Therefore, you contradict yourself in this one statement.
Human existence—the universe itself—is more bizarre than we might have ever imagined. But it takes science to figure this out, not an ounce of superstition. Your remedy for war and poverty plus a shiny quarter will buy you a brightly colored gumball.
The multiverse is a viable hypothesis in science.. Buddha fields in scripture may sound like the multiverse, but you'll be hard pressed to find further correlation with science. Wishful thinking.
Not sure what you mean here. If you mean that the brain can change over time and adapt to damage, it's neuroscientists that figure this stuff out, not spiritualists.
In fact, we know to some degree what brain areas fire during "spiritual" experiences. Far from dismissing it, neuroscience is studying what we call "spiritual" experiences.
@Fordi actually my point is that recent brain science flips all traditional views of the brain science.It appears we grasp a concept and theory only to have it suffer a profound shift...
Well, that's true for neuroscience - it's a subject we're only now beginning to understand, given that we just recently got the technology to look at what the brain is doing. That's a big risk for all the soft sciences.
The haj and daily prayer are excellent for mental health.Unlike mental drugs promoted by science with numerous side effects and no credibilty goven to brain plasticity.Meditation as well is excellent however useless without a moral code
@humaner No moral coded is required to find benefits in meditation. Calming or resting the mind is clearly healthy. Meditation can help concentration as unwanted thoughts are quite easily avoided with a little practice. As for mental health drugs, they are proven to give stability to minds that are out of control, from which point counselling is more effective. I agree with your other point though. Haj and prayer are good for mental health, but surely Haj is primarily a spiritual exercise?
@zenzombie72 really totally disagree meditation sorry without moral precepts meditation will not have an effect why does the West alwaus want to seperate the Buddha from Buddhism.?
@infideluxe yes as would over prescribed children in us canada school system.Doctors are also offered perks to promote and so called ADD discission groups at the school level are financed by drug companies.Coca cola style marketing is npt always about humam health.
Read your original comment again: "The haj and daily prayer are excellent for mental health.Unlike mental drugs promoted by science."
That's a huge generalization, and I was pointing out that it is clearly wrong as such. Obviously some people are overmedicated. My point was there are cases where drugs are more effective for certain mental conditions than meditation. It's more complex than choosing one or the other.
@infideluxe I didnt generalize dont cut and paste.psychic drugs mamage they dont cure and massive side effects.I believe holostic approach is best.Sorry very suspect about drug companies and the control they exercise over society.
Yes you did: "The haj and daily prayer are excellent for mental health.Unlike mental drugs promoted by science with numerous side effects and no credibilty goven to brain plasticity."
" dont cut and paste"
Tough. If you're going to deny what you said, you're going to see it again.
"psychic drugs mamage they dont cure"
Neither does meditation. And that doesn't retract your generalization, either.
@infideluxe that isnt a generalization its specific medication doesnt adress brain plasticity as proven by science.Meditation has numerous effects undocumentated as of yet but major studies are underway.However if it became a profit center .Watch the science arise.Problem is meditation is free and big vusimess cant have that.Read more about brain plasticity and DNA and effects to environment amd thinking.
Sometimes side-effects are better than, say, death.
"I believe holostic approach is best."
You're welcome to it. Good thing polio's not around any more, huh?
"Sorry very suspect about drug companies and the control they exercise over society."
While it's not a completely black and white issue, modern medicine has been pretty successful. Again, polio, cancer, antibiotics, AIDS drugs, transplants, heart disease, etc.
Why do religions have to lie? It's called 'Lying for the Lord'. Lying for the Lord has been documented and even taught at higher levels or tiers of leadership within the mormon church. If the mormons do it, you can be sure that all the rest of 'em do!
depends on how you define the term "soul" i'd suggest looking up the youtube athiest commentator "vicimlesscriminal" and watch his great hijacker series for more on the subject of spiritual semantics.
however, if defined as a metaphysical non-material inner being, yes, i agree with you.
As a Christian, I'm all for exposing liars and frauds. This goes for all religions. But first and foremost in my mind is the importance of exposing Christian frauds and liars.
Now does the fact that I myself am involved with a life long mission of exposing Christian lies and frauds mean that God or Christianity is a lie?
Of course not.
And neither does an atheist exposing the lies and frauds of religious imposters prove that all are like that or that God does not exist.
@TrustinJC Everything you say is correct. However, the default position to any claim is skepticism until evidence is provided, and we're still waiting for the evidence for any of the Christian claims. Meanwhile, if you were honestly interested in exposing Christian lies, you would be researching the origins of biblical writings.
@tml4873 Not true. Mounds of evidence have been produced. Non-believers simply chose to apply different rules when looking at the evidence. Non-believers discard reason and logic in favor of emotional responses. Rejecting miracles and wonders as evidence is one such example. But the greatest example is the refusal to accept prophecy as evidence. So it is not a case of no evidence. It is a case of what you will or will not accept as evidence.
I have done my research into the origional writings.
" Non-believers simply chose to apply different rules when looking at the evidence."
Yes - logic.
"Rejecting miracles and wonders as evidence is one such example."
Rejecting *claims* of miracles. Rejecting supernatural explanations when natural ones can be found. Not being credulous. " the refusal to accept prophecy as evidence."
Prophecy can be read into anything we want. We are pattern-seeking animals.
@TrustinJC It doesn't, but it you might question the qualities of a god if the god does not act on these frauds as they make a farce out of the religion the god sanctioned? For people falling victim to this will feel betrayed and disillusioned about the religion. If your god is like a shepherd, then why would this god do nothing as you sheep get hurt and consumed by wolves. Dishonesty will only lead to contempt and a god would know better.
@Tervicz You, unfortunately, don't understand the importance or reasons behind testing and trials. We are tested and face trials so that our true heart condition is revealed. You also refuse to accept that this lifetime is only temporary. but what we do in this lifetime will determine how we spend our eternity. Believing in and promoting false or fraudalent teachings reveals our heart condition.
@TrustinJC A god that knows all would already know your true heart conditions. Therefore for a god tests would be redundant. As for humans we are curious beings and we use our brains and we use logic. It is only human to doubt when facts contradict alleged invisible authority and go along with facts rather than with stories of 2000 years. Even a few hundred years is enough for events to fade into legend when no solid evidence remains. A god would know and understand this. No test required.
@TrustinJC If you can explain things in the world without using god, why assume that it means it "only appears" that he's not doing anything rather than accept that perhaps it just is what it is; a world that works within/by itself?
Why would you believe in a deity that "appears" to "only" help the rich and famous people and the wealthy countries a lot but turns a blind eye on all the poor? How can YOU turn a blind eye on all the inconsistencies and manage to believe in him? It blows my mind.
Now take it to the western world, this comment. It boggles my mind how a woman would want to join this OBVIOUSLY!!!!DUH! massogynistic cult. Why or how any rational human being would find this attractive is beyond my understanding. Like dribbling masses of goo. You have to be really 'special' to joing jizz-lam.
There is a hadith which clearly demonstrates that women do have souls. It says that most of the occupants of hell will be women for disobeying their husbands :)
The religious have to lie because they KNOW their source of relience is based on faith, NOT knowledge. And anything based on faith is ALWAYS trumped by knoweldge. Even a child of 5 can get this. I cannot understand why an adult of considerable intelligence would not.
What's deplorable by religious morons is that they're willing to support their idiocy in full knowledge of their religion being responsible for retardation of progress, morals, everything.
The answer to your question is simple kinematics .
Prof. William Hay describes himself as somehone " who doesnt know much about religion and whos specialty is in geology " ( 2:27) and was also " the 1st american to be chosen to go to saudi arabia " ( 2:19) .
This whole thing smells rotten .
I would really be interested in finding out who chose him and exactly why .
As I said, if I recall correctly the person who was head of the US geology association was a personal friend of Williams, so when the request came in from the UAE he picked up the phone to him and asked if he would like to go.
Doesnt it seem odd that the person chosen to go to saudi arabia and discuss the quran & science was someone who didnt k now much about the religion and politics of that region ?
It's highly likely that this video might never have been recorded ( lets say William Hay had unfortunatly died .. thankfully not), we would never have known his views were taken out of context, he could well have been hailed by muslims the world over as a scientist who legitimised the Koran.
The reason they lie is because they're making money out of it.
Televangelists, mega churches, mosques to seat millions, movies like Expelled and Zeitgeist and more books than I can even begin to name - people lie to profiteer at the expense of those who are interested in seeking truth.
In 1980, I was going out with a Muslim girl friend......I was abducted by Muslim youth and taken to Heirachy Mullah, I was scared....They told me either become a Muslim or leave the Muslim girl friend or we would kill you.
I gently said, sir, we are in Love...They said no love with an Infidel. I was 20 then, since then islam never made any sense to me with their weird ideologies, lies etc.
@gaving2 No, you could not live with the girl, whatever happened, would happen day time as night time she had to go back to her parents place.
Though she was ready to run away with me but I did not go with that idea as her family would have suffered from their own relatives and muslim neighbours.
Off course, we went to Movies and restaurants and as.....!!
In their own view the religious don't lie but defend their faith. They don't see it as a lie, but an attempt to allow their religion to survive in the light of new information which contradicts their scripture. They cannot let go of their believes in the light of new info for they feel they would betray their community or maybe even lose power and authority. Some use lies to defend their faith, some use violence and some do both, but none see the evil in that.
Well, in this case specifically, the liars were the Saudi religious scholars who are hell bent on converting everyone to their bronze age barbarianism AKA wahabbism. My guess is that they make a lot of money with the millions going on Hajj or pilgrimage to the ancient pagan temple called the kaba that houses some old meteorite stone! How Sad ?
@bjam89 You know i have a few janist friends (wish i had more). But there belief system about not harming any living things is completely achievable by secular means. In the west and in most of europe most humanism has been saved due entirely due to secular means. Secular progress has achieved wondrous results in present day society. How is this helped at all by fairy tales. Fairy tales that when put together correctly so easily rationalize the slaughter of innocent people for imaginary crimes.
Mujahid رحمه الله and others have said this. This is similar to Allah's statement,
وَإِذَا جَآءَتْهُمْ ءَايَةٌ قَالُواْ لَن نُّؤْمِنَ حَتَّى نُؤْتَى مِثْلَ مَآ أُوتِىَ رُسُلُ اللَّهِ اللَّهُ أَعْلَمُ حَيْثُ يَجْعَلُ رِسَالَتَهُ
And when there comes to them an Ayah (Sign) they say: "We shall not believe until we receive the like of that which the Messengers of Allah had received.'' Allah knows best with whom to place His Message. (Qur'an Surah al-An'aam Ayah 124)
Asqalane1405 1 month ago
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Oh my. What an original and topical response. Congrats.
infideluxe 1 month ago
Allah سبحانه و تعالى said,
بَلْ يُرِيدُ كُلُّ امْرِئٍ مِّنْهُمْ أَن يُؤْتَىٰ صُحُفًا مُّنَشَّرَةً
Nay, everyone among them desires that he would be given scriptures spread about.
Asqalane1405 1 month ago
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Nay is for horses.
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The Messenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وسلم said, أَلاَ وَإِنَّ فِي الْجَسَدِ مُضْغَةً إِذَا صَلَحَتْ صَلَحَ الْجَسَدُ كُلُّهُ، وَإِذَا فَسَدَتْ فَسَدَ الْجَسَدُ كُلُّهُ. أَلاَ وَهِيَ الْقَلْبُ....
...Verily! There is a piece of flesh in the body which if it is sound the whole body becomes sound but if it gets corrupt the whole body gets corrupt and verily that is the heart.
Asqalane1405 1 month ago
لا حول ولاقوة إلا بالله
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infideluxe 1 month ago
The religious have to lie because its all they have.
personEks 1 month ago
I like that man, he's very reasonable and measured.
EclecticSceptic 2 months ago
They don't care about truth they only care about being right and beguiling the unthinking and unwary into joining their cult.
EmmittBrownBTTF1 2 months ago
lol, "seamanship".
childofreason 2 months ago
this statement was not taken out of context
"I find it very interesting that this sort of information is in the ancient scriptures of the Holy Quran, and I have no way of knowing where they would come from, but I think it is extremely interesting that they are there and that this work is going on to discover it, the meaning of some of the passages." and he does not know the Arabic language.
linasept28 2 months ago
Man I knew this happened
thernr 2 months ago
To answer your question: There are 2 types of dishonesty going on here. The 1st is just uneducated followers who were brought up to believe what they were told. Its tragic, but they dont know better. Its intellectual obedience, and over enough time, they can be deconverted under the same conditions, although a good atheist doesn't coerce people into believing things. And then there are the helmsmen of this SHIP who need to lie to keep it alive, like a bad politician lying themselves to the bank
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To sum up my answer, I can't sum up my answer in five hundred characters. They lie because it's what keeps a lie afloat. Lies are very buoyant, but truth floats in the air
4jonah 2 months ago
Wonderful video. Great interview. Well done.
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Muhammad is a fictional story that was created by Islamist in order to upstage the Jesus myth which is also fiction. None of it can be proven which makes it pure fiction. Faith is the only thing they have and faith is wishful thinking at best. It's a shame that most of our entire population believes in any of this harmful nonsense. People should be focused on humanitarian issues not mind control.
baxtar2012 3 months ago 15
@baxtar2012 I am surer Mohammed existed, but he most likely just using the Bible as an example to fool people into practically worshipping him(with the authority of God of course) lol! He existed; he was just wrong!
EarlRegent 3 months ago
@baxtar2012 Muhammad might have been real war lord but i dout that he was miracilus like muslims say. christians and muslims are like north koreans, they have build personlaity cult around thier objects of worship.
gethsoftware 2 months ago
@baxtar2012 um Muhammad was a real person dude. He did happen to take over a large part of the Arab world. While he definitely wasn't a messenger of a deity he was a real person.
Zoaguyver 2 months ago
lol @ professor of oceanography, U of fucking colorado.
this dude is trollin from the get go. you could hardly be further from an ocean than being in colo-fucking-mountains-rado.
largegrainsofsalt 3 months ago
Beautiful video, pure coolness
FrozenPetrolPie 3 months ago
Religious people come from a teaching that says that at some time there were miraculous events and gods interacting with humans all the time and on any given day you might wake up and see magic. They look around and don't see any of that, so they can't provide evidence. However, they're doing their god's work, so it's okay to then trick people into joining up, as that's the way to heaven or wherever. They know they're lying, but it's for a good cause. I'm sure that's how they rationalize it.
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@humaner "The real joke is we built a billion dollar accelerator in Cern looking for the essence of life when child poverty is on the rise in every continent."
What is this nonsense? "Essence of life"? This is science, man, not alchemy!
InvincibleIronyMan 3 months ago
@KarlPhys That's right. Women have no souls. Neither do men. Neither do animals, plants or rocks.
InvincibleIronyMan 3 months ago
@dprjones Just a little gripe about the title: "correcting the misrepresentations of William Hay" makes it sound like William Hay is the one doing the misrepresenting rather than the one being misrepresented. I did a bit of a double-take when I saw it, I couldn't quite believe you'd converted to crazy fundamentalist islam!
InvincibleIronyMan 3 months ago
Women have no souls! Like animals? So the Taliban fuck animals?
KarlPhys 3 months ago
Why do the religious have to lie? It is the only way they can hold on to their irrational beliefs.
KarlPhys 3 months ago
..." than i went to the hotel, the Meridian...."...fuck...the memory the guy has... is incredible...infact it is much more divine to me than the koran...
spurezurko 3 months ago
has to feel good to get his thoughts on the issue out there. i would hate to be quote mined like that for a cause i do not support.
burlapshire 3 months ago
I learned a long time ago from Led Zeppelin that "a big-legged woman ain't got no soul"........
Anyway, religion strikes again. The foundation of a religious worldview is credulity and dishonesty thus it is best propagated by more of both.
b14blah 3 months ago
Its a typical ploy of those who pedal the belief of the unbelievable.
naybobdenod 3 months ago
dprjone's mirror of thise: 15 minutes 30 seconds
Everyone else's: 16 minutes 45 seconds
Hmmmmz....
thecaneater 3 months ago
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Lotean 3 months ago
If everyone ate more vegetables didnt drink alcohol and didnt urge after endless material items ther would be less life threatening diseases amd wars.Funny how more spiritual life is better for human life.Its science
humaner 3 months ago
@humaner
tell that to the people that have been beheaded by the "spiritual"
somuchfortalent 3 months ago
@somuchfortalent I will and to those killed by a scientific Atomic bomb
humaner 3 months ago
@humaner I don't think you want to go there, tallying the lives robbed and saved by the spiritual vs. science...
DogBoots77 3 months ago
@humaner
weak argument. care to try again?
somuchfortalent 3 months ago
@somuchfortalent sure I can try again without some moral balance life would be quite unliveable
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@humaner
what exactly are you babbling about? do you realize how incoherent your statements are?
somuchfortalent 3 months ago
@humaner You're right and if everyone treated women like shit. Raped them, killed them, or worse forced them to marry their rapists. Killed everyone who didn't think like them, and killed everyone who liked the same gender and sat around in their caves. dying of smallpox, dysentery, exposure, which would quarter the human life span. Then yes. Yes, life would be much better. Moron...
Lotean 3 months ago
@Lotean you really should get all that anger out on your children...putz.
humaner 3 months ago
@humaner how exactly? You know. I'd like to have two little children to play with. To teach the world. To share, but sadly I don't have children. Now what else do you assume about me?
Lotean 3 months ago
@humaner oh and another thing. I find it entirely hypocritical that someone who can send a message, riding on a literal beam of light traveling at the same speed. Which can arrive at it's destination near instantly has the gall to criticize science on a whole. Wake up. your child molesting religion is a bunch of fantasy and fables with no proof whatsoever. Get out of your cave and go outside.
Lotean 3 months ago
This what the superstitious morons have to resort to. Lies and propaganda.
Religion is poison, we have to end these disgusting barbaric cults before they end us.
bary1234 3 months ago
Why do the religious have to lie? Because their religions are built on lies.
catalyst8 3 months ago
Great video! :P
DavidRandallCurtis 3 months ago
Ah, I just did a rapid fire chili fart.
mythicalhell 3 months ago
LOL! Shitting insane cult fucking savages!
MakesMeAngry 3 months ago
I saw the original video in the late 80's. Shown to me by a muslim schoolfriend who wanted to bring gravitas and modernity to the rationale behind his religion, I felt very suspicious at the time.
Good work Rationalizer and dprjones.
zenzombie72 3 months ago
Materialistic desires are the root of present global calamities.Spiritual practice solves the unrealistic and destructive tendencies within human mind
humaner 3 months ago
The haj allows men and woman to investigate the operations of their surroundings and inner workings as well purify through flushing of food.I believe fasting is useful
humaner 3 months ago
Excuse me 'hateful comments against muslims are wrong and emotionally motivated
humaner 3 months ago
Firstly I am not a mislim but believe the practice of muslim is no differemt than buddhist meditation.Strong addictive desires can be controlled by regular pray and meditation.I cannot stand the Christian attacks against muslims and believe hateful comments against spiritual practice.To me spiritual practice is a science related to mental health
humaner 3 months ago
@humaner You would be well advised not to flaunt your ignorance quite so vividly.
Squagnut 3 months ago
@Squagnut really are you going to waterboard me.Threatening troll
humaner 3 months ago
@humaner I'm not a troll and I didn't threaten you, and I have no idea what you mean about waterboarding. Pixels cannot harm you any more than you let them. I'm just pointing out that spouting dogmatic nonsense isn't a good idea. I don't like to see anybody attacking anybody else, but I have no problem with criticism of ideas, no matter what the nature of those ideas may be. To attack Muslims is wrong; to criticise Islam is fine. And Islam has many many faults.
Squagnut 3 months ago
@humaner
"To me spiritual practice is a science related to mental health"
Then, to you, "science" must be a meaningless term.
Fordi 3 months ago 19
@Fordi not at all just that science isnt a perfect emdeavour.Entropy is a problem as is quantumechanics and brain plasticity and theories of time and space.What is certainly evident is that science data can be twisted for self serving ends.My problem is science has discounted physiological elements of spiritual practice.
humaner 3 months ago
@humaner
"My problem is science has discounted physiological elements of spiritual practice."
The word "spiritual" is too fuzzy. You can find studies on meditation's effect on the brain. Sam Harris, for one, is interested in this. But terms need to be defined. We know, for instance, that prayer studies have shown that prayer is ineffective.
infideluxe 3 months ago
@infideluxe wow the sharp knife over the fuzzy.I think human existence is fuzzy and impermanent.
humaner 3 months ago
@humaner
Human existence is indeed impermanent. We all end.
What was "fuzzy" 1,000, 500, 200, 50, etc. years ago is now understood, and such will remain the case going forward.
Science is the most effective endeavor for making discoveries about ourselves and the universe. Nothing is "perfect", and you will likely not know what you want to know before you die, no matter how much you squint your eyes, meditate, and say "spiritual."
And science owes you nothing, so don't blame science.
infideluxe 3 months ago
@humaner
"just that science isnt a perfect emdeavour"
Perfection is an illusion brought about by the woo-addled.
infideluxe 3 months ago
@infideluxe name calling when you have lost the debate typical.
humaner 3 months ago
@humaner
"name calling when you have lost the debate typical."
Woo-based willful ignorance regarding the fact of medical progress is the correct stance?
In your push for a zero-sum game here, you seem to be addicted to the concept of "winning." It's not happening. Blanket generalizations and side-stepping direct points that conflict with said generalizations don't help your case.
infideluxe 3 months ago
@infideluxe I have no case and I believe what I am saying is not woo addled.To me human existence is a trap mired in distortion and delusions all feeding some bizaare outlook.War and poverty could be solved by a discussion on gross national happiness.BTW ancient Buddhist scriptures already postulated a multi universe
system.FYI this is now the pinnacle of astro physical thought.I believe the spiritual is real defineable and a type of valuable human inquiry its called survival.
humaner 3 months ago
@humaner
"ancient Buddhist scriptures already postulated a multi universe system"
I love how people say this like its some kind of valuable bit of information.
Right now we have no proof for a multiverse - just interesting theories which remain untested - and thats what we have today.
Does an out-of-your-ass guess become knowledge, preeminent wisdom or forsight if aged a few thousand years?
Seems like some believe so.
ackmonra 3 months ago
@ackmonra thankyou for proving my point.Impermance of all science relative to the needs of the moment.The real joke is we built a billion dollar accelerator in Cern looking for the essence of life when child poverty is on the rise in every continent.
humaner 3 months ago
@humaner
Who cares about starving children ? If we don't get our science up to scratch before the next cosmic calamity, atomic war or overpopulation; the entire human race will be wiped out. Get some perspective.
Go particle accelerators!
ackmonra 3 months ago
@humaner "The real joke is we built a billion dollar accelerator in Cern looking for the essence of life when child poverty is on the rise in every continent."
The actual real joke is priests raping children since as long as Christianity and Islam existed and they were rarely hunt for it. It's also really funny how we spend trillions of dollars on weapons/porn/drugs and they are also some of the biggest industries in the world while there are starving children as you said. So fun...
Razgrits 3 months ago 19
@Razgrits Woah woah woah! back up man, we NEED porn & drugs! weapons we don't need :-P
madjimms 3 months ago 2
@madjimms Find your own hot chick and do your own shit on her, no need for money to be spent on that industry. As for drugs legalize and grow your own weed, don't pay cartels who in turn spend your money on guns. Problem solved.
Razgrits 3 months ago
@Razgrits You do realize that a small percentage of Cannabis is actually shipped in right? its called "mexi weed" here in the NW I have never see any of it, its all grown locally.
Also, me & my wife enjoy porn TYVM.
madjimms 3 months ago
@madjimms I didn't said what I said in an attempt to offend you, just explain you the reasons those industries are not needed. You don't need to get neither personal nor defensive with it. I am talking about a wider extent of this issue.
Razgrits 3 months ago
@Razgrits I fail to see how the porn industry "hurts" anything. I totally agree on not spending money on weapons since their only use is to injure & kill.
madjimms 3 months ago
@madjimms I never used the word 'hurt'. Just saying that it's money better spent elsewhere. Like in 3rd world countries.
Razgrits 3 months ago
@Razgrits Well yes, it is better spent as such. But it's becoming increasingly difficult to tell if the organization who receives money to send to 3rd world countries is spending it properly.
madjimms 3 months ago
@Razgrits gotta laugh at all the thumbs up...I think the raping of children is not just the priesthood nor the only people doing this look at coaches,summer camp counsellors and your neighbour.The idea that people allow pedophilia is incorrect what you are saying is that under the cloak of officialdom it is hidden.Look at Penn State.BTW FYI in Islam there is no official clergy system this is a Western construct and more of the Christian and Catholic religion.
humaner 3 months ago
@humaner ...the price of a single aircraft carrier and planes. funny you didn't mention that.
raverdeath100 3 months ago
@humaner
"I have no case and I believe what I am saying is not woo addled."
Cases are made of evidence. Woo-claims are without evidence. Therefore, you contradict yourself in this one statement.
Human existence—the universe itself—is more bizarre than we might have ever imagined. But it takes science to figure this out, not an ounce of superstition. Your remedy for war and poverty plus a shiny quarter will buy you a brightly colored gumball.
infideluxe 3 months ago
@humaner
The multiverse is a viable hypothesis in science.. Buddha fields in scripture may sound like the multiverse, but you'll be hard pressed to find further correlation with science. Wishful thinking.
infideluxe 3 months ago
@humaner
Not sure what you mean here. If you mean that the brain can change over time and adapt to damage, it's neuroscientists that figure this stuff out, not spiritualists.
In fact, we know to some degree what brain areas fire during "spiritual" experiences. Far from dismissing it, neuroscience is studying what we call "spiritual" experiences.
Fordi 3 months ago
@Fordi actually my point is that recent brain science flips all traditional views of the brain science.It appears we grasp a concept and theory only to have it suffer a profound shift...
humaner 3 months ago
@humaner
Well, that's true for neuroscience - it's a subject we're only now beginning to understand, given that we just recently got the technology to look at what the brain is doing. That's a big risk for all the soft sciences.
Fordi 3 months ago
@humaner When did you last hear of a Buddhist flying a couple of planes into skyscrapers? Sure, both are equally peaceful.
salerio61 1 month ago
They have to lie in order to seem to continue to be relevant and authoritative.
If they don't lie then the game of let's pretend comes to an end and everyone goes home.
No more status, no more authority, no more funds, no more power.
SlideRulePirate 3 months ago
The haj and daily prayer are excellent for mental health.Unlike mental drugs promoted by science with numerous side effects and no credibilty goven to brain plasticity.Meditation as well is excellent however useless without a moral code
humaner 3 months ago
@humaner
In what way is Hajj good for mental health?
TheRationalizer 3 months ago
@humaner No moral coded is required to find benefits in meditation. Calming or resting the mind is clearly healthy. Meditation can help concentration as unwanted thoughts are quite easily avoided with a little practice. As for mental health drugs, they are proven to give stability to minds that are out of control, from which point counselling is more effective. I agree with your other point though. Haj and prayer are good for mental health, but surely Haj is primarily a spiritual exercise?
zenzombie72 3 months ago
@zenzombie72 really totally disagree meditation sorry without moral precepts meditation will not have an effect why does the West alwaus want to seperate the Buddha from Buddhism.?
humaner 3 months ago
@humaner Why do the religious always want to seperate atheism from morality? ;)
zenzombie72 3 months ago
@humaner
"Unlike mental drugs promoted by science with numerous side effects"
Schizophrenics and bipolar people would likely disagree.
infideluxe 3 months ago
@infideluxe yes as would over prescribed children in us canada school system.Doctors are also offered perks to promote and so called ADD discission groups at the school level are financed by drug companies.Coca cola style marketing is npt always about humam health.
humaner 3 months ago
@humaner
Read your original comment again: "The haj and daily prayer are excellent for mental health.Unlike mental drugs promoted by science."
That's a huge generalization, and I was pointing out that it is clearly wrong as such. Obviously some people are overmedicated. My point was there are cases where drugs are more effective for certain mental conditions than meditation. It's more complex than choosing one or the other.
infideluxe 3 months ago
@infideluxe I didnt generalize dont cut and paste.psychic drugs mamage they dont cure and massive side effects.I believe holostic approach is best.Sorry very suspect about drug companies and the control they exercise over society.
humaner 3 months ago
@humaner
"I didnt generalize"
Yes you did: "The haj and daily prayer are excellent for mental health.Unlike mental drugs promoted by science with numerous side effects and no credibilty goven to brain plasticity."
" dont cut and paste"
Tough. If you're going to deny what you said, you're going to see it again.
"psychic drugs mamage they dont cure"
Neither does meditation. And that doesn't retract your generalization, either.
infideluxe 3 months ago
@infideluxe that isnt a generalization its specific medication doesnt adress brain plasticity as proven by science.Meditation has numerous effects undocumentated as of yet but major studies are underway.However if it became a profit center .Watch the science arise.Problem is meditation is free and big vusimess cant have that.Read more about brain plasticity and DNA and effects to environment amd thinking.
humaner 3 months ago
@humaner
"and massive side effects."
Sometimes side-effects are better than, say, death.
"I believe holostic approach is best."
You're welcome to it. Good thing polio's not around any more, huh?
"Sorry very suspect about drug companies and the control they exercise over society."
While it's not a completely black and white issue, modern medicine has been pretty successful. Again, polio, cancer, antibiotics, AIDS drugs, transplants, heart disease, etc.
infideluxe 3 months ago
@infideluxe Really a cure to camcer amd aids I havemt heard that.What news!!
humaner 3 months ago
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@humaner
"Really a cure to camcer amd aids I havemt heard that.What news!!"
With the advent of new drugs after 1996, life expectancy of AIDS patients increased to decades post-diagnosis, compared to about 18 months pre-1996.
Cancer survival rates have also dramatically increased.
If you are unaware of this, it might be a good idea to crawl out from under your rock.
infideluxe 3 months ago
Without out the lies, religion would have nothing.
jebus6kryst 3 months ago
@jebus6kryst At least they have the lies to cling to. I do wish it wasn't so often at the expense of much of the rest of us.
infideluxe 2 months ago
Why do religions have to lie? It's called 'Lying for the Lord'. Lying for the Lord has been documented and even taught at higher levels or tiers of leadership within the mormon church. If the mormons do it, you can be sure that all the rest of 'em do!
neil73 3 months ago
It's OK to lie for Islam if it promotes the religion, Muhammud said so!!
Wordavee1 3 months ago
Stick a fork in this 'miracle' claim. Nice job, Rationalizer! Thanks for the mirror DPR.
rationalmuscle 3 months ago
well they were half right. Women dont have a soul.. but neither do men.
Aturayd 3 months ago 34
@Aturayd
depends on how you define the term "soul" i'd suggest looking up the youtube athiest commentator "vicimlesscriminal" and watch his great hijacker series for more on the subject of spiritual semantics.
however, if defined as a metaphysical non-material inner being, yes, i agree with you.
TheDeistAngle 3 months ago
There is no science in the Koran.
Get over it muzzies.
IFoundIslam1 3 months ago 18
@dprjones There's a typo in your added headings for "Original video" which says "Origninal Video" starting at the 2:48 mark - should be a quick fix.
SuperHuntard 3 months ago
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SuperHuntard 3 months ago
Lovely Brummy accent :)
Same as mine!
lovelittlecats 3 months ago
As a Christian, I'm all for exposing liars and frauds. This goes for all religions. But first and foremost in my mind is the importance of exposing Christian frauds and liars.
Now does the fact that I myself am involved with a life long mission of exposing Christian lies and frauds mean that God or Christianity is a lie?
Of course not.
And neither does an atheist exposing the lies and frauds of religious imposters prove that all are like that or that God does not exist.
Thanks for the vid.
TrustinJC 3 months ago
@TrustinJC Everything you say is correct. However, the default position to any claim is skepticism until evidence is provided, and we're still waiting for the evidence for any of the Christian claims. Meanwhile, if you were honestly interested in exposing Christian lies, you would be researching the origins of biblical writings.
tml4873 3 months ago 2
@tml4873 Not true. Mounds of evidence have been produced. Non-believers simply chose to apply different rules when looking at the evidence. Non-believers discard reason and logic in favor of emotional responses. Rejecting miracles and wonders as evidence is one such example. But the greatest example is the refusal to accept prophecy as evidence. So it is not a case of no evidence. It is a case of what you will or will not accept as evidence.
I have done my research into the origional writings.
TrustinJC 3 months ago
@TrustinJC
" Mounds of evidence have been produced."
Where?
" Non-believers simply chose to apply different rules when looking at the evidence."
Yes - logic.
"Rejecting miracles and wonders as evidence is one such example."
Rejecting *claims* of miracles. Rejecting supernatural explanations when natural ones can be found. Not being credulous. " the refusal to accept prophecy as evidence."
Prophecy can be read into anything we want. We are pattern-seeking animals.
infideluxe 3 months ago
@TrustinJC It doesn't, but it you might question the qualities of a god if the god does not act on these frauds as they make a farce out of the religion the god sanctioned? For people falling victim to this will feel betrayed and disillusioned about the religion. If your god is like a shepherd, then why would this god do nothing as you sheep get hurt and consumed by wolves. Dishonesty will only lead to contempt and a god would know better.
Tervicz 3 months ago
@Tervicz You, unfortunately, don't understand the importance or reasons behind testing and trials. We are tested and face trials so that our true heart condition is revealed. You also refuse to accept that this lifetime is only temporary. but what we do in this lifetime will determine how we spend our eternity. Believing in and promoting false or fraudalent teachings reveals our heart condition.
It only appears that God isn't doing anything.
TrustinJC 3 months ago
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OddityDK 3 months ago
@TrustinJC A god that knows all would already know your true heart conditions. Therefore for a god tests would be redundant. As for humans we are curious beings and we use our brains and we use logic. It is only human to doubt when facts contradict alleged invisible authority and go along with facts rather than with stories of 2000 years. Even a few hundred years is enough for events to fade into legend when no solid evidence remains. A god would know and understand this. No test required.
Tervicz 3 months ago
@TrustinJC If you can explain things in the world without using god, why assume that it means it "only appears" that he's not doing anything rather than accept that perhaps it just is what it is; a world that works within/by itself?
Why would you believe in a deity that "appears" to "only" help the rich and famous people and the wealthy countries a lot but turns a blind eye on all the poor? How can YOU turn a blind eye on all the inconsistencies and manage to believe in him? It blows my mind.
toolazytomakeoneup 3 months ago
@TrustinJC
" We are tested and face trials so that our true heart condition is revealed. "
In other words, god's mysterious ways reveal a reality indistinguishable from one where any god is nonexistent.
"what we do in this lifetime will determine how we spend our eternity."
Unfortunately, you have nothing to show for that comment. An assertion is an assertion - that's all.
"It only appears that God isn't doing anything."
Which is why you believe you can tell us god exists? Hmm.
infideluxe 3 months ago
I hate the word shed-oold.
MultiUniv3rsal 3 months ago
@pakipiglover
Philhellenes was man enough to admit he was wrong - are you?
Klingschor 3 months ago
@pakipiglover
>taqiyya
watch?v=4hYzeqOCMvY
TheRationalizer 3 months ago
Wait a minute; religious people? Dishonest? Misrepresenting the truth?
I DON'T BELIEVE IT!
TheEvilOfScientology 3 months ago
Thanks for mirroring!
TheRationalizer 3 months ago
The comment regarding women have no souls-
Now take it to the western world, this comment. It boggles my mind how a woman would want to join this OBVIOUSLY!!!!DUH! massogynistic cult. Why or how any rational human being would find this attractive is beyond my understanding. Like dribbling masses of goo. You have to be really 'special' to joing jizz-lam.
Domzdream 3 months ago
There is a hadith which clearly demonstrates that women do have souls. It says that most of the occupants of hell will be women for disobeying their husbands :)
TheRationalizer 3 months ago
@TheRationalizer
hehehe. ARen't they merciful?
Muzzies....they're all the same.
Domzdream 3 months ago
The religious have to lie because they KNOW their source of relience is based on faith, NOT knowledge. And anything based on faith is ALWAYS trumped by knoweldge. Even a child of 5 can get this. I cannot understand why an adult of considerable intelligence would not.
What's deplorable by religious morons is that they're willing to support their idiocy in full knowledge of their religion being responsible for retardation of progress, morals, everything.
Religious people are immoral. Period.
Domzdream 3 months ago
02:30 - so why did the geological society of america approach him to do this out of 1000's of other scientists ?
Very strange .
slLLyhumans 3 months ago
@slLLyhumans
Why did the golf ball land on that particular blade of grass? Very strange!
If I recall correctly the person who made the decision knew him personally.
TheRationalizer 3 months ago
@TheRationalizer
The answer to your question is simple kinematics .
Prof. William Hay describes himself as somehone " who doesnt know much about religion and whos specialty is in geology " ( 2:27) and was also " the 1st american to be chosen to go to saudi arabia " ( 2:19) .
This whole thing smells rotten .
I would really be interested in finding out who chose him and exactly why .
slLLyhumans 3 months ago
@slLLyhumans
As I said, if I recall correctly the person who was head of the US geology association was a personal friend of Williams, so when the request came in from the UAE he picked up the phone to him and asked if he would like to go.
It really isn't more complicated than that.
TheRationalizer 3 months ago
@TheRationalizer
Doesnt it seem odd that the person chosen to go to saudi arabia and discuss the quran & science was someone who didnt k now much about the religion and politics of that region ?
slLLyhumans 3 months ago
»Everybody lies.« (House M.D.) I get that.
But *pious* lies are amongst the worst.
virumoz 3 months ago
It's highly likely that this video might never have been recorded ( lets say William Hay had unfortunatly died .. thankfully not), we would never have known his views were taken out of context, he could well have been hailed by muslims the world over as a scientist who legitimised the Koran.
Very enlightening. Thanks for posting/Mirroring.
bonnie43uk 3 months ago
Seems like a really nice bloke
JeefCakes 3 months ago
Why do christians lie? Because the devil made them do it!
ObtuseSage 3 months ago
The reason they lie is because they're making money out of it.
Televangelists, mega churches, mosques to seat millions, movies like Expelled and Zeitgeist and more books than I can even begin to name - people lie to profiteer at the expense of those who are interested in seeking truth.
CuriousMoth 3 months ago
In 1980, I was going out with a Muslim girl friend......I was abducted by Muslim youth and taken to Heirachy Mullah, I was scared....They told me either become a Muslim or leave the Muslim girl friend or we would kill you.
I gently said, sir, we are in Love...They said no love with an Infidel. I was 20 then, since then islam never made any sense to me with their weird ideologies, lies etc.
I am happy that I am not a Muzlim!
ambardarlane 3 months ago
@ambardarlane ... And then there's some people who just lie to get attention.
CuriousMoth 3 months ago
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@ambardarlane lol yeah right!
Vahtacen 3 months ago
@ambardarlane did you stay with the girl?
gaving2 3 months ago
@gaving2 No, you could not live with the girl, whatever happened, would happen day time as night time she had to go back to her parents place.
Though she was ready to run away with me but I did not go with that idea as her family would have suffered from their own relatives and muslim neighbours.
Off course, we went to Movies and restaurants and as.....!!
ambardarlane 3 months ago
religion lying and misrepresenting? Noooooooooooooooooooooooo. way!
pannysat 3 months ago
The "Origininal Video"? :p
TheBenEEeee 3 months ago
Regarding lying, interesting article on Cracked.com, search for "5 Logical Fallacies That Make You Wrong More Than You Think"
Prelude610 3 months ago
Religions seek to validate their invalid assertions with valid factual science.
craniumface 3 months ago
Surah 40:28 "Truly Allah guides not one who transgresses and lies."
Hypocrisy much?
themsfightinwoids 3 months ago 2
2:42 And cover not truth with falsehood, nor conceal the truth when ye know (what it is).
TheRationalizer 3 months ago
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Why am I not surprised?
Muljinn 3 months ago
In their own view the religious don't lie but defend their faith. They don't see it as a lie, but an attempt to allow their religion to survive in the light of new information which contradicts their scripture. They cannot let go of their believes in the light of new info for they feel they would betray their community or maybe even lose power and authority. Some use lies to defend their faith, some use violence and some do both, but none see the evil in that.
Tervicz 3 months ago 12
pretty sure that's an A380 at the beginning...
thedayitriedtodie 3 months ago
Great work ! Let the truth be told !
maax82 3 months ago
OH, cmon demion, when is the next majich sandwich show
dj092768 3 months ago
11:00
Ha. Haha. He said semen.
shinryu1285 3 months ago
Religion = Lies to keep the herd happy and brainwashed
saxmanchiro 3 months ago 2
Why do religions have to lie ?
Well, in this case specifically, the liars were the Saudi religious scholars who are hell bent on converting everyone to their bronze age barbarianism AKA wahabbism. My guess is that they make a lot of money with the millions going on Hajj or pilgrimage to the ancient pagan temple called the kaba that houses some old meteorite stone! How Sad ?
captaindisguise 3 months ago 4
@captaindisguise Because they are logically inconsistent, and as a result impossible to rationalize.
Nmisling 3 months ago
fuck islam, fuck religion, all of it
tamu77095 3 months ago 3
@tamu77095 what about janes?
bjam89 3 months ago
@bjam89 You know i have a few janist friends (wish i had more). But there belief system about not harming any living things is completely achievable by secular means. In the west and in most of europe most humanism has been saved due entirely due to secular means. Secular progress has achieved wondrous results in present day society. How is this helped at all by fairy tales. Fairy tales that when put together correctly so easily rationalize the slaughter of innocent people for imaginary crimes.
tamu77095 3 months ago
Ah a new video by DPR its about time... DOH! I have already seen it at coughlans channel.
Dasmaster1 3 months ago