First your facts are so flawed, your statements are too simplistically stated veering away from the actual truth, it wasn't even religion (or faith) that was responsible for your rants as it had nothing to do with it - haven't you heard of the word "POLITICS"?!
Easy to pin the blame on "Faith" or your cliched religion rant coz YOU'D HATED GOD FROM THE VERY BEGINNING it didn't matter whether it was for your beer or your pet hamster. G-R-O-W U-P!!!
I hate god? Coming from someone that doesn't even know me. Just an excuse to not deal with the actual argument attack me instead of the "flawed facts" you claim exist. I am not impressed by your childish behavior.
Moronic comment. There is no evidence to which you can provide that would back that up. And the table talks don't do it. They cannot be verified because only one person makes those claims, and that person also has reasons to lie about it. So that just leaves your bald face assertion with nothing.
"Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... .... When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease."
Those quotes are all confirmed. Proof positive that Hitler wasn't Christian...
Hitler was married in a non-religious ceremony.
The H.J.'s were forced to renounce their religion...
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19th October, 1941, night "The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity."
You started with the insults dumb-ass. *rolles eyes* You get what you give. They been confirmed? By who? Where is your evidence? If Hilter was an atheist, then why where atheist put in the gas cambers with the Jews ? That seems a bit odd considering he wanted to rid the world of christianity...
It's a fact... Hitler was no longer a Christian by the time he took power.
This isn't debatable... If Hitler was a Christian then why did he have such a disdain for Christianity? Why did he shut down so many Christian churches and remove so many priests from power?
Facts are facts... Feel free to defend your claims with more ad hominem attacks and strawman arguments..
Your hypocrisy is not evidence of your voracity. Harp on the fact that I called you whatever, but YOU started first. You cannot win by pointing out the very same thing YOU started with.
"If Hitler was a Christian then why did he have such a disdain for Christianity? "
You can't find any disdain beyond the table talks of which you have yet establish as credible. Only ONE person claims to hear such things and that ONE person has reason to lie about such things.
Circular reasoning. You can't use the same source to prove your source. BTW, you just made a claim. Prove that Mein Kampf was propagaand and not his thoughts.
I used no circular reasoning. Throwing out these terms don't help you.
Ah I see... so you don't believe that Mein Kampf was propaganda..?
You believe that Hitler was an upstanding and honest member of society? You believe that the murderer of millions of Jews wouldn't possibly tell a fib?
Lame ad homenim. No it just refutes the lame christian argument that Hitler was christian. You have yet to explain why would Hilter would have church support, support from the christian populace at large, and things like "God with us" belt buckles. If he was such an obvious anti-christian it beggars belief for such things to happen.
Lame argument that Hitler was Christian? Yeah I agree. Love to see some evidence...
Fact is... Hitler didn't live as a Christian, he abided by no rules of Christianity, didn't attend a Christian church, hated Christian theology... and attacked Jews... Which makes no sense...
Face it.. he wasn't Christian. These attacks only show your hatred towards Christianity...
"Why else would you want Hitler to be a Christian even after all of the evidence that he was not?"
What evidence? You have yet to provide why it was even credible. And you continue to avoid to do that. And so, if it is not ad hominem... then I am permitted to make the same "conclusions" about you. You are afraid that you would accept Hitler as christian, then you could no longer bring him up as some sort of "evil atheist" in your generalization against atheist.
Is it an ad hominem attack to call someone that drops the "N" bomb a racist? No of course not. They may not have specifically said that they are racist... but it's only a fair conclusion to make..
"NO there are no pictures of Hilter attending service"
Even though that is exactly what I put up...
"He didn't even get married in a religious service."
It isn't a rule that all christians must be married in a religious service. Further he was in a bunker at the end of the war, what exactly do you expect?
And that is unreasonable. Even christians go to court to get married, rather having a religious service. They are hardly any less christian for that, so neither is Hitler for doing the same.
I don't know of any Christians that go to court to get married... and even if they did... they'd certainly have their ceremony be religious even if they did...
Hitler wanted none of that for his wedding. He hated Christianity and all of the tenants thereof.
@dex1391 "My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter."
Look at your words again... You claim that all Christians killed...
Debunked..
And your point is irrlevant anyway... Look at Stalin, and Hitler, Pol Pot, Mao, Castro and all of the other murdering atheists over the past 150 years... Does that mean that all atheists are murderers?
No, just that all christians (as in the churches) through HISTORY done this. Not all christians, period. I know what the fuck I meant. Obviously, you don't.
Yes.. .propaganda... Obviuosly he claimed to have some sort of religion... But everything about him said otherwise. Joseph Goebbels, Albert Speer, and Martin Bormann all claim that Hitler hated Christianity. Hitler didn't live as a Christian, his actions weren't Christian, his ideology weren't Christian.
Martin Bormann is the source of the table talks. The thing that we have talking about the whole time. I think that you are just listing of names and that your not really educated in this subject. As for Joseph and Albert, those statements are not anti-christian, just critical of christianity. So was Martin Luther. Anyone can be critical of christianity and still be christian.
A small easy to make grammar error doesn't change the fact that you just listed off names. IF you want me to accept your points, then please provide quotes that Albert and Joseph can attest to. Otherwise, you are making claims you cannot support.
Even after 1942 Hitler went on maintaining that he regarded the church as indispensable in political life. He would be happy, he said in one of those teatime talks at Obersalzberg, if someday a prominent churchman turned up who was suited to lead one of the churches- or if possible both the Catholic and Protestant churches reunited. ...
He still regretted that Reich Bishop Muller was not the right man to carry out his far-reaching plans. But he sharply condemned the campaign against the church, calling it a crime against the future of the nation. For it was impossible, he said, to replace the church by any party ideology. Speer, p. 95
You claimed that Speer supported the idea that Hitler was anti-christian. I just provide that you were bullshitting. Which is why you refused to give any quotes from him as I asked. You don't know any! You pulled it out of your ass. Good Bye, troll.
For the sake of argument lets just accept that Hitler is indeed anti-christian and what he says is propaganda. What does that mean for the christians and the clergy there? They where unable to tell if he was a christian or not. Wouldn't they notice that he wanted them to do "unchristian" things? Or maybe these things are christian things to do... as I been saying...
I'm not claiming that Christians haven't made mistakes... I'm not saying that Christians shouldn't be held accountable for their actions... (nice strawman)
Yes, you are strawmanning. I know that. Never suggested that you where saying christians shouldn't be held accountable. If christians couldn't tell he wasn't a christian, then that is quite damning.
Lol, what you are ignoring is that you don't think an avid anti-christian wouldn't lie about wanting his leader to also be like him? He not credible because he is the only person and has reason to lie. Being christian or not has nothing to do with it.
Joseph Goebbels, Albert Speer, and Martin Bormann all knew Hitler and all claimed that he hated Christianity. This isn't a single unverified source... it comes from many sources... Hitler did indeed hate Christianity.
"Why did he shut down so many Christian churches and remove so many priests from power?"
And Why did that same church also expressly voice support for him during the whole time? Why was it only in churches OUTSIDE of Germany that resisted him that where removed? If he wasn't christian why did the Vatican support him?
Even Martin Luther killed other christians. There hasn't been a history where other christian sects didn't oppress another.
Fail. They weren't question, they where rhetorical. I pointed to an example IN YOUR OWN BIBLE that believers in god can and do commit suicide. Your question FAILS.
Again, your argument is laden with the assumption that christians are unable to things that are viewed as sin. There is no getting around that. It is what your argument requires but you don't want to admit that because we all know that christians can sin. They are just not "good christians".
Doesn't matter, the assumption is still there. If you can admit that christians can sin and are not always perfect, then it undercuts your own argument. And thus cannot be proof of Hitler not being christian.
Mortal sin is not in the bible. And the only unforgivable sin mentioned in the bible is blasphemy of the holy spirit, which is naming works of god as works of the devil. The bible makes clear that even christians fall short. Remember the whole world was breathing down his neck. So the "judgment" he escaped was man's, not god's.
According to the Catholic church: In order for a sin to be mortal, it must meet three conditions: Mortal sin is a sin of grave matter Mortal sin is committed with full knowledge of the sinner Mortal sin is committed with deliberate consent of the sinner
Isn't your claim that Hitler was Catholic?
I'd much rather take judgement from man... than God...
No Christian believe you can kill yourself to escape judgement..
But all christians catholic? Remember, Hitler promoted positive christianity. He may have been born and raised catholic but so was Martin Luther. May not have been catholic but still was christian. Sorry, you are not going to prove that Hitler wasn't christian by him braking a catholic taboo.
I have asked you for evidence of that and you consistently failed to provide CREDIBLE evidence. So at this point you are pretty much begging the question. You say he wasn't christian with his suicide as proof, and you only try to only re-enforce that with your other "proofs". Like wise you refer them to each other. You shouldn't need to do such a thing if they where strong arguments. No matter, circular reasoning is still fail.
@TheAtheistPaladin With due respects, why not just get this in your head? You will never understand the things of God or the Bible in as much as a garbage collector will never understand quantum physics. You will either study hard about it, really learn it, seek all the truth about it with a willing heart of one who seeks it or just take the easy way out - TO HATE IT.
Just a simple equation, right? Why make it so complicated and turn it into a religious issue when the issue really is YOU?
With due respect? you never show ANY, then only to get only more insulting. How am I supposed to take you seriously if you my fist impression of your is asshole? Funny thing is now I am being "so complicated" even though at first I was being "too simplistically' stating things? so which is it?
There is no such thing as religious violence, there is only violence. Human beings are violent at their core. This coupled with strong socio-economic forces are enough to drive any kind of bloodshed. Religion is simply a justification that follows violence. Violence that in all likelyhood would have presented itself anyway. It is not a causal relationship.
It's funny that one of the tags is "ignorance." You are ignorant for putting so much effort in to an argument that's going nowhere. By the way, are you aware that atheism is a religion? The definition of religion is as follows:"a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe." You have a religion! I find this hilarious.
How does not believing in a god lead to a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe? Oh that right, If I looked ignorant in the dictionary it would say "see: Wheeburger."
The response to your point was put best by Richard Dawkins. Basically he said that if not believing is a higher power is a religion, this is the same as saying that NOT stamp collecting is a hobby. You think you so cleverly pointed out the hypocrisy in atheist thought, but trying using your brain before making dumb comments.
@Wheeburger You're forgetting that religion requires dogma. This leads to being patriotic towards a country itself is a religion. Religion does not need to have a purpose for the universe or even a cause, such as Buddhism which is a religion that does not have a belief in a cause or a purpose. Buddhism doesn't even have gods, and the great buddha himself said that his beliefs are subject to being wrong.
However what makes buddhism a religion is it's dogma.
@kingkong8974 is not a religion for it has no dogma. But an atheist can be religious.
Each athiest is free to belief something totally different than another.
For instance, because Buddhism does not include the belief of any god(s), it is atheistic but still a religion.
And then we got rocks/trees/bacteria/air/fart/shit/hair/etc, none of which is religious but are still athiest by definition because they don't believe in any god(s)
But I digress, athiesm by itself is not a religion.
I think it's funny people are insulted by the belief that we evolved, and weren't just put here by someone. Why can't it be that there is a god, and he put animals on earth and let them become what we are today? That's no more far fetched than saying we came from primordial goup, or that we were put here by an almighty being. It doesn't have to be one or the other. It can be both.
@jiggalude No, it really can't be both. One by itself (evolution) follows the constructs of good logic. When combined with the theory of a creator, you pollute the logic and throw reason to the wayside
WHY ARE U ONLY ATTACKING ISLAM? WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS UR ATHEIST BUT YET U TALK ABOUT OTHER PEOPLES RELIGION WHEN U URSELF HASN'T GOT ONE! GET A LIFE DO SOMETHING WITH YOUR MEANINGLESS LIFE..
@3GreenFlash1 I didn't see him singling any one religion out. Keep resisting the movement to free peoples minds, resist the innate logic you feel burning deep inside you every time you drop to your knees in reverence of what you know doesn't exist. Try your hardest to keep drinking in the Kool-Aid of dogma poisoning your mind, my friend
In philosphy there is a concept called naive realism. Basically when people think they know it all it is because they havent really done much thinking. The people who do really think become aware of just how much they dont know and therefore are a lot more humble. To them the squabbling over ideas seems stupid. Its obvious that naive realists cause by far the most trouble, and that religious people are naive realists.
Let's examine why religion is 'important' to atheists/agnotists:
1. It is irrational superstition accepted by the masses.
2. For some reason it gets a magical shielding from critism of any kind (constructive or not).
3. It is deluding man-kind by living in a fucking fiction and not accepting reality and shit (i.e. fucking birth control is needed save humanity from using all the resources in our life time. But because of religion that ain't happening).
Take this issue into the ProCathedral and all the other Catholic Churches in America. Make these ghastly edifices the place for discourse and win back the schools and the kids from the cuckoo church and all its subverted secular servants and agents....
Fair points but we cant forget religion has done good for us too.
Perhaps not when weighing it against the immediate bad, but even if religion never existed humans and leaders would just find another exuse to be violent in the past leading up to more or less the same future.
The key thing people are missing and what we will probably never find is a universal tolerance for others beliefs, if all atheists said "Believe what you will" and Theists the same we'd have general peace
Name one good thing that religion can do that cannot be done without the use of religion. If you can't, then religion is nothing more than extra badge. Sure I am willing to live and let live, but as provided in the video it is obvious that theists are NOT willing to live and let live.
@TheAtheistPaladin And for a large part religion does a lot got people on a personal level that really probably couldn't be achieved without it in their lives. This is for some people. As for me I don't like organized religion. but I DO believe that some ultimate being or entity consciously created everything.
@TheAtheistPaladin I am not a believer that Everything just exploded into existence one day (where did this matter come from to be exploded in the first place?) or that I am descended from a goop of ooze. That'll never fly for me. It's true that theology can never let live
I didn't accuse you of believing in everything just exploded into existence nor that you believe that we came from goop... And here is the kicker, neither do I but you are so caught is a oversimplified strawman than you don't understand what really is the ACTUAL position.
@TheAtheistPaladin I know you weren't accusing me. I was just chatting it up. And.. I really don't know what you are saying starting at "You are so caught up..."
saying that life came from goop is a stereotypical strawman of what atheist "believe". And I am quite tired of hearing the same ignorant tripe over and over.
@TheAtheistPaladin Ah, I wasn't saying that's what you believe either. I was just saying that as it is what I hear on every science or earth channel on tv or anything. Always "Our single celled ancestors" and stuff. But w/e Where do you believe life came from?
Well now you make yourself a lair. One for saying that you didn't mean to say that is what I believed... that is implied by the very fact of you saying to me... I don't by "Just starting a conversation" card. Just commenting on the content of the video would have done that. Secondly, that is NOT WHAT ANYONE TEACHES ANY WHERE! It is a false representation.
@TheAtheistPaladin No I really was just conversing. I saw the video, I knew your beliefs and was just stating mine. I guess we should just stop talking. Wish you well. See ya.
The thing is, with religion gone, people will be less willing to die for their leaders because of their fanatical idea of some heaven afterwards. So the leaders will probably just as bad, they will just have fewer supporters and that can only be a good thing.
Imagene the crusades for example. the leaders probably used religion as an excuse, but the thousands of soldiers thought very much they were doing God's work.
1) If it's not religion it'll be greed. See:alternate sources of energy.
2)People kill for a great many reasons. See:The French Revolution. It is also important to note seemingly religious conflicts are often really about power and control See: The war in Palestine. And in Hitler's case it was really Nationalism. Are you against nationalism as well?
3) Because of religion people become bigoted? Bigotry is not exclusive to religious folks. Religion is not THE source of Bigotry, as it where.
Well, some groups in religion became violent. That's not to say it won't happen without religion.
4)Some religious leaders would also like to eat icecream all day. What's your point?
5) At what point would religion have stopped existing in that alternate timeline? Modernly? During the Classical period? Forever? It's hard to know what would have happened there if blank didn't exist. That is not to say there wouldn't have been other wars. Remember the war wasn't REALLY about what it seems.
6) Oh, noez the gey rites! What about the right to incest? Nobodies objection to that springs from religious sources or even science. Where's your bleeding heart for the incestuous?
Didn't think so!
Well, I think your blaming chocolate for the ice cream. As long as we are social, there will be leaders, and those leaders are prey to vices and corruption. But call me when you find a way to say religion is more evil than human trafficking organizations.
6) Humans have always had differing concepts of what is acceptable behavior. It isn't something that spawned out of religion, but out of morality itself. Morality is something we are all guilty of enforcing in one way or another, since time immemorial. Social animals, remember?
6) Horrible example. It does not come out of "morality" any more words come out of a book. They are PUT there. Morality is nothing more than how you think people should interact and be treated. It does nothing by itself.
Exactly. So say, the ancient Greek where very loose on the gayness, but where ocassionally fond to burning people inside of bronze bulls and conquering their lands. Because that was their morality.
It's a viewpoint. It'll change and change back again. Regardless of religion.
1) I think my point is clear. You are faulting a whole issue that centers around human behavior in general to a particular group(of groups) when general behavior is also at fault for said action. My point is, that more scientific gain is lost to "non profitability" than to religion. Therefore singling "them";and it's particular groups and people who are responsible for it. As you would write it, RELIGION EXISTING caused it to happen. My counter was, it's happening now without religions help.
1) People think that religion done nothing that would merit the attention of atheist. That is simply not true. Furthermore, people believe things they otherwise not believe if it not where for religion. Religion often gets a free pass for simply being it self. Nothing should be above question.
Who is people? Are atheists something else than people?
In any case, it is surely not wise to talk for all Atheists on this matter. I am sure more than one has different reasons than yours. BUT questioning a subject as wide as religion, with it's many variants and subvariants, doesn't seem like it would solve any of the problems highlighted.
2) SIgh. "Religion causes X to happen". No "X" depends on huge sociopolitical factors ."You dodge the point" What point did I dodge? Poverty, and political ambition do the job more often, even if it seems religion was the reason. Leaders will exploit WHATEVER it is you believe to win you over, whether that's humanism or abortion, or gay rights or religion. That's what leadership and CHarima are all about. Again, not seeing the bigger picture. It's a human issue, not a religious issue.
3)"Because of religion people are bigoted" is such a retarded statement. It is not because of religion. People just are bigoted. Again, you put the burnt of the problem on religion.
4) I'm sorry, was your point "religion should cease existing because some religious leaders want something I don't like?" What about it, the world is full of people who's thoughts we disagree witIf you have a beef with Pat RObertson, then your beef is with him. Not with religion in general.
3) If the bigotry was not rooted in religious ground, then they would have to defend there bigotry. Again, religion should not get a free pass, it should be questioned.
4) Yet Pat Robertson wouldn't be able to get away with his bullshit if it not where for religion...
They would have to defend their bigotry? Or maybe, being Bigots that we assume they are(I recognized none of the pics) they would find some argument.
You see, you are trying to retroactively erase Pat Robertson's stuff by making religion not exist, when there is clearly no way of knowing what would have turned out. It's a what if.
Also, about the science: We have a machine now that can purify any water, yet people die of parasites from contaminated wells by the boatloads. What's happening?
And that argument will be debunked and they will fail, but if they go "That what the bible says" (and it does), then what recourse do you have? They "win" at that point.
Religion is the opposite of critical thinking. It is the opposite of questioning authority, and this authority is simply given over to them for claiming to speak for "god." You cannot promote these things without attacking the very heart of what religion is. It is just not possible.
O.K... ill answer that question, being atheist and all.... WE ARE NOT ALL LIKE THAT YOU A-HOLE!!! thats like saying all black ppl are tall, look at gary coleman. i dont give a shit what you beleave in. I only give you shit if you confront me about something i truely beleave in, or am effected by it negatively. like now. you might as well wipped a rock at my face. you can go spend your life beleaving in whatever crackpot theory you want. just dont give me shit about...
These terrorist groups care about fucking dirt.... or who owns that dirt.... What secural reason can you kill over useless dirt like Palestine/Israel? They kill because it is "holy ground" and it is no other reason than that.
Of course there is more than one reason to go to war. Where in the video do I state that "religion is the ONLY reason for war"? If there is one less reason for war, then it is only logical to assume less war... What is there not to understand about that?
type in 'obama deception' 'truth lies' nd ull c da things dat we r supposed to c>>> the expert in this field his name is 'alex jones.... if loose change has been refuted then let me tell u fox news bbc all have been refuted as well. i am not suprised a spy is trying to hide dis evidence!!! also watch '7/7 ripple effect' proove to me the way they made the video its rong!! ansa them den ill believ the unseen
The government can't even balance the budget, and you want me to believe they can pull of a flawless job that requires thousands of people and no one has yet to leak it.... Right. And the "obama deception" isn't even about Obama. Yet another conspiracy theory video that involves the last several presidents. So to review, conspiracy theories and you can't fucking write. What a rational and intelligent response.... [/end sarcasm]
religions dnt cuase war. type in google loose change or documentary, type in youtube painful deceptions ull c its money and black gold dat destroys people but the blame is gone to the innocent
people have always taken advantage of these ideas, so whats to stop someone from coming to power blaming god and religion for everythin thats goin (kinda like hitler blamed the jews)
religious ppl would call him the antichrist, but nontheless he'll be like Constantine the Great or any other leader that used religion, or ideas about religion for their own personal agenda... its possible, no??
atheists are pieces of shit, just like religious ppl...
religious ppl are convinced that god exists... atheists are sure that theres nothin after death..
atheism could be another religion that would be used in the fure to justify wars, crimes, massacres etc... so fuck atheists, its not a solution, it'll just create problems for the future...
buddhism is the shit... anyway beeing agnostic is the best, that is the solution for the future
W-H-A-T A C-R-Y-B-A-B-Y!!!
First your facts are so flawed, your statements are too simplistically stated veering away from the actual truth, it wasn't even religion (or faith) that was responsible for your rants as it had nothing to do with it - haven't you heard of the word "POLITICS"?!
Easy to pin the blame on "Faith" or your cliched religion rant coz YOU'D HATED GOD FROM THE VERY BEGINNING it didn't matter whether it was for your beer or your pet hamster. G-R-O-W U-P!!!
tuberobotto 1 month ago
@tuberobotto
I hate god? Coming from someone that doesn't even know me. Just an excuse to not deal with the actual argument attack me instead of the "flawed facts" you claim exist. I am not impressed by your childish behavior.
TheAtheistPaladin 1 month ago
nice video. shame more people havent seen it. how people can disagree/dislike it is beyond me, you just spoke some very simple truths.
trixapete 9 months ago
LOL stupid video... Hitler was an atheist...
dex1391 9 months ago
@dex1391
Moronic comment. There is no evidence to which you can provide that would back that up. And the table talks don't do it. They cannot be verified because only one person makes those claims, and that person also has reasons to lie about it. So that just leaves your bald face assertion with nothing.
TheAtheistPaladin 9 months ago
@TheAtheistPaladin
Actually no... Hitler was an atheist..
"Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... .... When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease."
Adolf Hitler
dex1391 9 months ago
@dex1391
And that came from the table talks, you fucking moron. Again, nobody can confirm those quotes. Nothing but unsubstantiated propaganda.
TheAtheistPaladin 9 months ago
@TheAtheistPaladin
Those quotes are all confirmed. Proof positive that Hitler wasn't Christian...
Hitler was married in a non-religious ceremony.
The H.J.'s were forced to renounce their religion...
"
19th October, 1941, night "The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity."
Adolf Hitler
Your insults only prove my point....
dex1391 9 months ago
@dex1391
You started with the insults dumb-ass. *rolles eyes* You get what you give. They been confirmed? By who? Where is your evidence? If Hilter was an atheist, then why where atheist put in the gas cambers with the Jews ? That seems a bit odd considering he wanted to rid the world of christianity...
TheAtheistPaladin 9 months ago
@TheAtheistPaladin
LOL typical... you resort to lies and insults.
It's a fact... Hitler was no longer a Christian by the time he took power.
This isn't debatable... If Hitler was a Christian then why did he have such a disdain for Christianity? Why did he shut down so many Christian churches and remove so many priests from power?
Facts are facts... Feel free to defend your claims with more ad hominem attacks and strawman arguments..
dex1391 9 months ago
@dex1391
Your hypocrisy is not evidence of your voracity. Harp on the fact that I called you whatever, but YOU started first. You cannot win by pointing out the very same thing YOU started with.
TheAtheistPaladin 9 months ago
@TheAtheistPaladin
I started nothing. Lying about it won't help your case. Insults and strawman arguments only make you look bad... not me.
dex1391 9 months ago
@dex1391
"It's a fact... Hitler was no longer a Christian by the time he took power."
And your evidence is...
TheAtheistPaladin 9 months ago
@TheAtheistPaladin
I've given you plenty of evidence.
Hitler had a non-religious wedding
Hitler spoke about his hatred for Christianity...
Hitler shut down many Christian churches
The H.J.s were forced to renounce their religion...
Hitler dabbled in both paganism and the occult.
And on and on... Please stop claiming that you didn't get evidence... It's a false claim...
Which is also known as a lie..
dex1391 9 months ago
@dex1391
"If Hitler was a Christian then why did he have such a disdain for Christianity? "
You can't find any disdain beyond the table talks of which you have yet establish as credible. Only ONE person claims to hear such things and that ONE person has reason to lie about such things.
TheAtheistPaladin 9 months ago
@TheAtheistPaladin
You claim that it isn't credible.
Show me one valid historian that backs your claim.
You can't.
dex1391 9 months ago
@dex1391
Sorry bud, the burden of proof is on you. What historian accepts the word of one person? Seriously.
TheAtheistPaladin 9 months ago
@TheAtheistPaladin
LOL no you made the claim that he was a Christian.. back it up...
Obviously he was a liar and Mein Kampf was propaganda...
His private words show disdain for Christianity....
dex1391 9 months ago
@dex1391
Circular reasoning. You can't use the same source to prove your source. BTW, you just made a claim. Prove that Mein Kampf was propagaand and not his thoughts.
TheAtheistPaladin 9 months ago
@TheAtheistPaladin
I used no circular reasoning. Throwing out these terms don't help you.
Ah I see... so you don't believe that Mein Kampf was propaganda..?
You believe that Hitler was an upstanding and honest member of society? You believe that the murderer of millions of Jews wouldn't possibly tell a fib?
Logic is not your friend...
dex1391 9 months ago
@TheAtheistPaladin
You can't just ignore the evidence because it makes you uncomfortable.
Face it... he wasn't a Christian.
You only want him to be a Christian because that somehow justifies your hatred OF Christians..
dex1391 9 months ago
@dex1391
Lame ad homenim. No it just refutes the lame christian argument that Hitler was christian. You have yet to explain why would Hilter would have church support, support from the christian populace at large, and things like "God with us" belt buckles. If he was such an obvious anti-christian it beggars belief for such things to happen.
TheAtheistPaladin 9 months ago
@TheAtheistPaladin
I used no ad hominem. Look the term up.
Lame argument that Hitler was Christian? Yeah I agree. Love to see some evidence...
Fact is... Hitler didn't live as a Christian, he abided by no rules of Christianity, didn't attend a Christian church, hated Christian theology... and attacked Jews... Which makes no sense...
Face it.. he wasn't Christian. These attacks only show your hatred towards Christianity...
dex1391 9 months ago
@dex1391
"These attacks only show your hatred towards Christianity"
Text book definition of an ad hominem right there. You are attacking my character and ignoring my points.
TheAtheistPaladin 9 months ago
@TheAtheistPaladin
That's not an ad hominem... It's simply a conclusion to the evidence provided.
Why else would you want Hitler to be a Christian even after all of the evidence that he was not?
The only logical answer is what I said... you must have some issue (hatred) with Christianity...
dex1391 9 months ago
@dex1391
"Why else would you want Hitler to be a Christian even after all of the evidence that he was not?"
What evidence? You have yet to provide why it was even credible. And you continue to avoid to do that. And so, if it is not ad hominem... then I am permitted to make the same "conclusions" about you. You are afraid that you would accept Hitler as christian, then you could no longer bring him up as some sort of "evil atheist" in your generalization against atheist.
TheAtheistPaladin 9 months ago
@TheAtheistPaladin
LOL OMG.. now you're yet again claiming that there's no evidence after I've given you many many pieces.
You are a pathetic bigot... That's all I can figure at this point.
dex1391 9 months ago
@dex1391
Hello pot, meet the kettle.
TheAtheistPaladin 9 months ago
@TheAtheistPaladin
Is it an ad hominem attack to call someone that drops the "N" bomb a racist? No of course not. They may not have specifically said that they are racist... but it's only a fair conclusion to make..
dex1391 9 months ago
@dex1391
Fact: Hitler was raised as Roman Catholic and never disrolled from the church.
Fact: You did even see the first picture in my video or anything after that. Photographic evidence that Hitler attended church.
Fact: Martin Luther as well as every christian in history killed other christians and jews.
Fact: the only source for Hilter being "anti-christian" comes from an anti-christian pagan. Way to go!
TheAtheistPaladin 9 months ago
@TheAtheistPaladin
Fact: many atheists were raised Christian (this is an irrelevant point)
Fact: Hitler never attended service after taking control of Germany
Fact: I've never killed a Christian or a Jew... I'm a Christian... This "fact" debunked
Fact: I've given you several reasons and evidence why Hitler was not a Christian... You've provided none other than Mein Kampf...
And if the info came from a non-Christian... it only strengthens the evidence... Obviously...
dex1391 9 months ago
@dex1391
"Fact: Hitler never attended service after taking control of Germany"
All those picture came while he was in power... you fail.
"Fact: I've never killed a Christian or a Jew... I'm a Christian... This "fact" debunked"
Inductive fallacy... you fail. You cannot go from a specif to a general.
TheAtheistPaladin 9 months ago
@TheAtheistPaladin
NO there are no pictures of Hilter attending service... He didn't even get married in a religious service.
This is debunked...
You claimed that ALL CHRISTIANS killed Christians and Jews...
Look at your post... Debunked..
dex1391 9 months ago
@dex1391
"NO there are no pictures of Hilter attending service"
Even though that is exactly what I put up...
"He didn't even get married in a religious service."
It isn't a rule that all christians must be married in a religious service. Further he was in a bunker at the end of the war, what exactly do you expect?
TheAtheistPaladin 9 months ago
@TheAtheistPaladin
Hitler didn't get married in a Religious service because he hated religion... all religions...
this is a fact. He didn't even have a prayer read at his wedding.
You can't explain any of this...
dex1391 9 months ago
@dex1391
Okay, I ask this again because you did not address it. He was in a bunker at the end of the war, what exactly do you expect?
TheAtheistPaladin 9 months ago
@TheAtheistPaladin
I'd expect a Christian to at least have a religious service even if outside of a Church...
But since he wasn't a Christian...
dex1391 9 months ago
@dex1391
And that is unreasonable. Even christians go to court to get married, rather having a religious service. They are hardly any less christian for that, so neither is Hitler for doing the same.
TheAtheistPaladin 9 months ago
@TheAtheistPaladin
I don't know of any Christians that go to court to get married... and even if they did... they'd certainly have their ceremony be religious even if they did...
Hitler wanted none of that for his wedding. He hated Christianity and all of the tenants thereof.
dex1391 9 months ago
@dex1391 "My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter."
Adolf Hitler.
Huttate1 8 months ago
@dex1391
"You claimed that ALL CHRISTIANS killed Christians and Jews.."
No that christians through history did this. Just look at the Inquisition and the war between protestants and catholics.
TheAtheistPaladin 9 months ago
@TheAtheistPaladin
Look at your words again... You claim that all Christians killed...
Debunked..
And your point is irrlevant anyway... Look at Stalin, and Hitler, Pol Pot, Mao, Castro and all of the other murdering atheists over the past 150 years... Does that mean that all atheists are murderers?
dex1391 9 months ago
@dex1391
No, just that all christians (as in the churches) through HISTORY done this. Not all christians, period. I know what the fuck I meant. Obviously, you don't.
TheAtheistPaladin 9 months ago
@TheAtheistPaladin
LOL so you're saying I should read your mind and not your posts? Yeah... that makes sense...
So... again couldn't the same be said about atheists?
and your claim is still false... not all Churches....
Not even close.
dex1391 9 months ago
@dex1391
"Fact: I've given you several reasons and evidence why Hitler was not a Christian... You've provided none other than Mein Kampf..."
And his speeches and everything that can be confirmed. And you act like that is some sort of problem?
TheAtheistPaladin 9 months ago
@TheAtheistPaladin
Yes.. .propaganda... Obviuosly he claimed to have some sort of religion... But everything about him said otherwise. Joseph Goebbels, Albert Speer, and Martin Bormann all claim that Hitler hated Christianity. Hitler didn't live as a Christian, his actions weren't Christian, his ideology weren't Christian.
He wasn't Christian...
dex1391 9 months ago
@dex1391
Martin Bormann is the source of the table talks. The thing that we have talking about the whole time. I think that you are just listing of names and that your not really educated in this subject. As for Joseph and Albert, those statements are not anti-christian, just critical of christianity. So was Martin Luther. Anyone can be critical of christianity and still be christian.
TheAtheistPaladin 9 months ago
@TheAtheistPaladin
LOL if you're going to insult someones intellect it's not going to go well when you say "your" not really educated. Hahahahaha
Critical of Christianity and hating Christians are two separate things.... Hitler was the 2nd..
dex1391 9 months ago
@dex1391
A small easy to make grammar error doesn't change the fact that you just listed off names. IF you want me to accept your points, then please provide quotes that Albert and Joseph can attest to. Otherwise, you are making claims you cannot support.
TheAtheistPaladin 9 months ago
@TheAtheistPaladin
A grammatical error in the same sentence where you insult my intelligence is an example of irony.
How could I not point that out?
Facts are facts... perhaps you should do some reading.
dex1391 9 months ago
@dex1391
Or perhaps you should get on those quotes I been asking for?
TheAtheistPaladin 9 months ago
@TheAtheistPaladin
Or perhaps you should do some reading on a subject before you post a video full of lies and untruths..
dex1391 9 months ago
@TheAtheistPaladin
Try reading Inside the Third Reich (1970) and Spandau: The Secret Diaries (1976) by Albert Speer...
dex1391 9 months ago
Even after 1942 Hitler went on maintaining that he regarded the church as indispensable in political life. He would be happy, he said in one of those teatime talks at Obersalzberg, if someday a prominent churchman turned up who was suited to lead one of the churches- or if possible both the Catholic and Protestant churches reunited. ...
TheAtheistPaladin 9 months ago
@TheAtheistPaladin
Closing churches as Hitler did... isn't a sign of a Christian
dex1391 9 months ago
@dex1391
Martin Luther and John Calvin closed down churches... but they where catholic, and the Catholics done like wise in return. Nothing new here...
TheAtheistPaladin 9 months ago
He still regretted that Reich Bishop Muller was not the right man to carry out his far-reaching plans. But he sharply condemned the campaign against the church, calling it a crime against the future of the nation. For it was impossible, he said, to replace the church by any party ideology. Speer, p. 95
I think you are full of it.
TheAtheistPaladin 9 months ago
@TheAtheistPaladin
I think that you need to do some reading...
dex1391 9 months ago
@dex1391
You claimed that Speer supported the idea that Hitler was anti-christian. I just provide that you were bullshitting. Which is why you refused to give any quotes from him as I asked. You don't know any! You pulled it out of your ass. Good Bye, troll.
TheAtheistPaladin 9 months ago
@dex1391
For the sake of argument lets just accept that Hitler is indeed anti-christian and what he says is propaganda. What does that mean for the christians and the clergy there? They where unable to tell if he was a christian or not. Wouldn't they notice that he wanted them to do "unchristian" things? Or maybe these things are christian things to do... as I been saying...
TheAtheistPaladin 9 months ago
@TheAtheistPaladin
I'm not claiming that Christians haven't made mistakes... I'm not saying that Christians shouldn't be held accountable for their actions... (nice strawman)
All I've said is that Hitler wasn't Christian..
dex1391 9 months ago
@dex1391
It went right over your head as I expected.
TheAtheistPaladin 9 months ago
@TheAtheistPaladin
LOL... another strawman..
dex1391 9 months ago
@dex1391
Yes, you are strawmanning. I know that. Never suggested that you where saying christians shouldn't be held accountable. If christians couldn't tell he wasn't a christian, then that is quite damning.
TheAtheistPaladin 9 months ago
@dex1391
"And if the info came from a non-Christian... it only strengthens the evidence... Obviously..."
*Facedesk* The not credible "evidence" of Hitler being "anti-christian" is credible because it came from an anti-christian... Fail.
TheAtheistPaladin 9 months ago
@TheAtheistPaladin
Dumbest comment you've made yet...
If it comes from a Christian... then it's not credible... if it comes from a non-Christian than it's not credible...
The only think you believe is credible is something that backs up your own hatred and bigotry towards Christians...
dex1391 9 months ago
@dex1391
Lol, what you are ignoring is that you don't think an avid anti-christian wouldn't lie about wanting his leader to also be like him? He not credible because he is the only person and has reason to lie. Being christian or not has nothing to do with it.
TheAtheistPaladin 9 months ago
@TheAtheistPaladin
being Christian has EVERYTHING to do with it.
Joseph Goebbels, Albert Speer, and Martin Bormann all knew Hitler and all claimed that he hated Christianity. This isn't a single unverified source... it comes from many sources... Hitler did indeed hate Christianity.
dex1391 9 months ago
@dex1391
Nope, Martin is the only source for the anti-christianity sources.
TheAtheistPaladin 9 months ago
@TheAtheistPaladin
LOl denial is cute...
I've given you several sources...
dex1391 9 months ago
@dex1391
Give me quote from Albert and Joseph, and I will consider your points.
TheAtheistPaladin 9 months ago
@dex1391
"Why did he shut down so many Christian churches and remove so many priests from power?"
And Why did that same church also expressly voice support for him during the whole time? Why was it only in churches OUTSIDE of Germany that resisted him that where removed? If he wasn't christian why did the Vatican support him?
Even Martin Luther killed other christians. There hasn't been a history where other christian sects didn't oppress another.
TheAtheistPaladin 9 months ago
@TheAtheistPaladin
FEAR.. Simple answer to a foolish question...
dex1391 9 months ago
@TheAtheistPaladin
Any atheists that were killed were obvioulsy non-Aryan...
Why commit suicide (a mortal sin)?
dex1391 9 months ago
@dex1391
As if christians never sin or commit suicide... Was not King Saul a believer in god? And yet die by falling on his sword?
TheAtheistPaladin 9 months ago
@TheAtheistPaladin
Asking a question to answer a question won't work.
Why would Hitler kill himself if he were a Christian? Simple answer... he wouldn't.
dex1391 9 months ago
@dex1391
Fail. They weren't question, they where rhetorical. I pointed to an example IN YOUR OWN BIBLE that believers in god can and do commit suicide. Your question FAILS.
TheAtheistPaladin 9 months ago
@TheAtheistPaladin
Fail.. Suicide is a mortal sin. Hitler couldn't have killed himself if he were Christian.
dex1391 9 months ago
@dex1391
Again, christians don't sin? Ever? They are perfect beyond reproach?
TheAtheistPaladin 9 months ago
@TheAtheistPaladin
Again... it's a mortal sin... an unforgivable sin... Why would Hitler do this if he were indeed Christian...
And you keep dodging SEVERAL other reasons why Hitler wasn't Christian...
And keep claiming that there's no evidence... Which at this point is a proven lie..
dex1391 9 months ago
@dex1391
Again, your argument is laden with the assumption that christians are unable to things that are viewed as sin. There is no getting around that. It is what your argument requires but you don't want to admit that because we all know that christians can sin. They are just not "good christians".
TheAtheistPaladin 9 months ago
@TheAtheistPaladin
nope... never claimed that...
Trying to turn this on my won't work.
All of the evidence points to the FACT that Hitler wasn't a Christian...
dex1391 9 months ago
@dex1391
Doesn't matter, the assumption is still there. If you can admit that christians can sin and are not always perfect, then it undercuts your own argument. And thus cannot be proof of Hitler not being christian.
TheAtheistPaladin 9 months ago
@TheAtheistPaladin
There's a big difference between a sin... and a mortal sin...
Also... why did Hitler commit suicide? To escape judgement...
That's idiocy to any Christian.
dex1391 9 months ago
@dex1391
Mortal sin is not in the bible. And the only unforgivable sin mentioned in the bible is blasphemy of the holy spirit, which is naming works of god as works of the devil. The bible makes clear that even christians fall short. Remember the whole world was breathing down his neck. So the "judgment" he escaped was man's, not god's.
TheAtheistPaladin 9 months ago
@TheAtheistPaladin
According to the Catholic church: In order for a sin to be mortal, it must meet three conditions: Mortal sin is a sin of grave matter Mortal sin is committed with full knowledge of the sinner Mortal sin is committed with deliberate consent of the sinner
Isn't your claim that Hitler was Catholic?
I'd much rather take judgement from man... than God...
No Christian believe you can kill yourself to escape judgement..
dex1391 9 months ago
@dex1391
But all christians catholic? Remember, Hitler promoted positive christianity. He may have been born and raised catholic but so was Martin Luther. May not have been catholic but still was christian. Sorry, you are not going to prove that Hitler wasn't christian by him braking a catholic taboo.
TheAtheistPaladin 9 months ago
@TheAtheistPaladin
No... he wasn't "still Christian" I've shown that. He wasn't anti Catholic... he was anti Christianity... his own words and actions show that...
dex1391 9 months ago
@dex1391
I have asked you for evidence of that and you consistently failed to provide CREDIBLE evidence. So at this point you are pretty much begging the question. You say he wasn't christian with his suicide as proof, and you only try to only re-enforce that with your other "proofs". Like wise you refer them to each other. You shouldn't need to do such a thing if they where strong arguments. No matter, circular reasoning is still fail.
TheAtheistPaladin 9 months ago
@dex1391
"I'd much rather take judgement from man... than God.."
What makes you think that he wasn't committing himself to god?
TheAtheistPaladin 9 months ago
@TheAtheistPaladin
What makes me think that? Logic...
Perhaps your hatred of religion comes from your ignorance of religion.
dex1391 9 months ago
@dex1391
Then neither was Jesus committing himself to god when he did suicide by cop. Therefore, Jesus committed a mortal sin... Have a nice day!
TheAtheistPaladin 9 months ago
@TheAtheistPaladin With due respects, why not just get this in your head? You will never understand the things of God or the Bible in as much as a garbage collector will never understand quantum physics. You will either study hard about it, really learn it, seek all the truth about it with a willing heart of one who seeks it or just take the easy way out - TO HATE IT.
Just a simple equation, right? Why make it so complicated and turn it into a religious issue when the issue really is YOU?
tuberobotto 1 month ago
@tuberobotto
With due respect? you never show ANY, then only to get only more insulting. How am I supposed to take you seriously if you my fist impression of your is asshole? Funny thing is now I am being "so complicated" even though at first I was being "too simplistically' stating things? so which is it?
TheAtheistPaladin 1 month ago
Oh wow... You nailed it...lol
FromOutsideTheBox 1 year ago
Nou missunderstand your own statement.
If religion is just a Fairy tale why the Fuss?
because the people running the world believe in fairy tales that do not allow EQUAL HUMAN RIGHTS.
Durr.. Ok.. Now i'll watch your video...lol
FromOutsideTheBox 1 year ago
There is no such thing as religious violence, there is only violence. Human beings are violent at their core. This coupled with strong socio-economic forces are enough to drive any kind of bloodshed. Religion is simply a justification that follows violence. Violence that in all likelyhood would have presented itself anyway. It is not a causal relationship.
Keysteeze 1 year ago
RELIGION IS BRAINWASH
DarkBeauty1989 1 year ago
It's funny that one of the tags is "ignorance." You are ignorant for putting so much effort in to an argument that's going nowhere. By the way, are you aware that atheism is a religion? The definition of religion is as follows:"a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe." You have a religion! I find this hilarious.
Wheeburger 1 year ago
@Wheeburger
How does not believing in a god lead to a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe? Oh that right, If I looked ignorant in the dictionary it would say "see: Wheeburger."
TheAtheistPaladin 1 year ago 2
@Wheeburger if athiesm is a religion, then not collecting stamps is a hobby
orangedog88 1 year ago
@Wheeburger
The response to your point was put best by Richard Dawkins. Basically he said that if not believing is a higher power is a religion, this is the same as saying that NOT stamp collecting is a hobby. You think you so cleverly pointed out the hypocrisy in atheist thought, but trying using your brain before making dumb comments.
adamG333 1 year ago
@Wheeburger You're forgetting that religion requires dogma. This leads to being patriotic towards a country itself is a religion. Religion does not need to have a purpose for the universe or even a cause, such as Buddhism which is a religion that does not have a belief in a cause or a purpose. Buddhism doesn't even have gods, and the great buddha himself said that his beliefs are subject to being wrong.
However what makes buddhism a religion is it's dogma.
Therefore Atheism(cont)
kingkong8974 1 year ago
@kingkong8974 is not a religion for it has no dogma. But an atheist can be religious.
Each athiest is free to belief something totally different than another.
For instance, because Buddhism does not include the belief of any god(s), it is atheistic but still a religion.
And then we got rocks/trees/bacteria/air/fart/shit/hair/etc, none of which is religious but are still athiest by definition because they don't believe in any god(s)
But I digress, athiesm by itself is not a religion.
kingkong8974 1 year ago
I think it's funny people are insulted by the belief that we evolved, and weren't just put here by someone. Why can't it be that there is a god, and he put animals on earth and let them become what we are today? That's no more far fetched than saying we came from primordial goup, or that we were put here by an almighty being. It doesn't have to be one or the other. It can be both.
jiggalude 1 year ago
@jiggalude
It is no more far fetched to think that life came about by natural means than to think by magic? Yeah, okay.
TheAtheistPaladin 1 year ago 2
@jiggalude No, it really can't be both. One by itself (evolution) follows the constructs of good logic. When combined with the theory of a creator, you pollute the logic and throw reason to the wayside
2048scotty 1 year ago
WHY ARE U ONLY ATTACKING ISLAM? WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS UR ATHEIST BUT YET U TALK ABOUT OTHER PEOPLES RELIGION WHEN U URSELF HASN'T GOT ONE! GET A LIFE DO SOMETHING WITH YOUR MEANINGLESS LIFE..
3GreenFlash1 1 year ago
@3GreenFlash1
FYI, You are an idiot. So don't think anyone will take you seriously.
TheAtheistPaladin 1 year ago
@3GreenFlash1 islam and christian religion is evil
DarkBeauty1989 1 year ago
@3GreenFlash1 I didn't see him singling any one religion out. Keep resisting the movement to free peoples minds, resist the innate logic you feel burning deep inside you every time you drop to your knees in reverence of what you know doesn't exist. Try your hardest to keep drinking in the Kool-Aid of dogma poisoning your mind, my friend
2048scotty 1 year ago
In philosphy there is a concept called naive realism. Basically when people think they know it all it is because they havent really done much thinking. The people who do really think become aware of just how much they dont know and therefore are a lot more humble. To them the squabbling over ideas seems stupid. Its obvious that naive realists cause by far the most trouble, and that religious people are naive realists.
markthebong 1 year ago
Let's examine why religion is 'important' to atheists/agnotists:
1. It is irrational superstition accepted by the masses.
2. For some reason it gets a magical shielding from critism of any kind (constructive or not).
3. It is deluding man-kind by living in a fucking fiction and not accepting reality and shit (i.e. fucking birth control is needed save humanity from using all the resources in our life time. But because of religion that ain't happening).
supersmash43 1 year ago
Take this issue into the ProCathedral and all the other Catholic Churches in America. Make these ghastly edifices the place for discourse and win back the schools and the kids from the cuckoo church and all its subverted secular servants and agents....
sebreathnach 1 year ago
Fair points but we cant forget religion has done good for us too.
Perhaps not when weighing it against the immediate bad, but even if religion never existed humans and leaders would just find another exuse to be violent in the past leading up to more or less the same future.
The key thing people are missing and what we will probably never find is a universal tolerance for others beliefs, if all atheists said "Believe what you will" and Theists the same we'd have general peace
Thyphix 2 years ago
Name one good thing that religion can do that cannot be done without the use of religion. If you can't, then religion is nothing more than extra badge. Sure I am willing to live and let live, but as provided in the video it is obvious that theists are NOT willing to live and let live.
TheAtheistPaladin 2 years ago
@TheAtheistPaladin And for a large part religion does a lot got people on a personal level that really probably couldn't be achieved without it in their lives. This is for some people. As for me I don't like organized religion. but I DO believe that some ultimate being or entity consciously created everything.
XylussN 1 year ago
@TheAtheistPaladin I am not a believer that Everything just exploded into existence one day (where did this matter come from to be exploded in the first place?) or that I am descended from a goop of ooze. That'll never fly for me. It's true that theology can never let live
XylussN 1 year ago
@XylussN
I didn't accuse you of believing in everything just exploded into existence nor that you believe that we came from goop... And here is the kicker, neither do I but you are so caught is a oversimplified strawman than you don't understand what really is the ACTUAL position.
TheAtheistPaladin 1 year ago
@TheAtheistPaladin I know you weren't accusing me. I was just chatting it up. And.. I really don't know what you are saying starting at "You are so caught up..."
XylussN 1 year ago
@XylussN
saying that life came from goop is a stereotypical strawman of what atheist "believe". And I am quite tired of hearing the same ignorant tripe over and over.
TheAtheistPaladin 1 year ago
@TheAtheistPaladin Ah, I wasn't saying that's what you believe either. I was just saying that as it is what I hear on every science or earth channel on tv or anything. Always "Our single celled ancestors" and stuff. But w/e Where do you believe life came from?
XylussN 1 year ago
@XylussN
Well now you make yourself a lair. One for saying that you didn't mean to say that is what I believed... that is implied by the very fact of you saying to me... I don't by "Just starting a conversation" card. Just commenting on the content of the video would have done that. Secondly, that is NOT WHAT ANYONE TEACHES ANY WHERE! It is a false representation.
TheAtheistPaladin 1 year ago
@TheAtheistPaladin No I really was just conversing. I saw the video, I knew your beliefs and was just stating mine. I guess we should just stop talking. Wish you well. See ya.
XylussN 1 year ago
The thing is, with religion gone, people will be less willing to die for their leaders because of their fanatical idea of some heaven afterwards. So the leaders will probably just as bad, they will just have fewer supporters and that can only be a good thing.
Imagene the crusades for example. the leaders probably used religion as an excuse, but the thousands of soldiers thought very much they were doing God's work.
Korkzor 2 years ago
@Thyphix The problem with "believe what you will" comes to "I believe you all should die because you don't believe what I believe is truth" see?
XylussN 1 year ago
Good video.
I don't entirely agree with what you are saying, but I think more important than that is that it does need to be said.
Kudos.
And yes, I am an atheist.
eltzar72 2 years ago
1) If it's not religion it'll be greed. See:alternate sources of energy.
2)People kill for a great many reasons. See:The French Revolution. It is also important to note seemingly religious conflicts are often really about power and control See: The war in Palestine. And in Hitler's case it was really Nationalism. Are you against nationalism as well?
3) Because of religion people become bigoted? Bigotry is not exclusive to religious folks. Religion is not THE source of Bigotry, as it where.
BATCHARRO 2 years ago
Well, some groups in religion became violent. That's not to say it won't happen without religion.
4)Some religious leaders would also like to eat icecream all day. What's your point?
5) At what point would religion have stopped existing in that alternate timeline? Modernly? During the Classical period? Forever? It's hard to know what would have happened there if blank didn't exist. That is not to say there wouldn't have been other wars. Remember the war wasn't REALLY about what it seems.
BATCHARRO 2 years ago
6) Oh, noez the gey rites! What about the right to incest? Nobodies objection to that springs from religious sources or even science. Where's your bleeding heart for the incestuous?
Didn't think so!
Well, I think your blaming chocolate for the ice cream. As long as we are social, there will be leaders, and those leaders are prey to vices and corruption. But call me when you find a way to say religion is more evil than human trafficking organizations.
BATCHARRO 2 years ago
6) Wow, now you dodge with red herrings and a strawman.
TheAtheistPaladin 2 years ago
6) Humans have always had differing concepts of what is acceptable behavior. It isn't something that spawned out of religion, but out of morality itself. Morality is something we are all guilty of enforcing in one way or another, since time immemorial. Social animals, remember?
BATCHARRO 2 years ago
6) Horrible example. It does not come out of "morality" any more words come out of a book. They are PUT there. Morality is nothing more than how you think people should interact and be treated. It does nothing by itself.
TheAtheistPaladin 2 years ago
Exactly. So say, the ancient Greek where very loose on the gayness, but where ocassionally fond to burning people inside of bronze bulls and conquering their lands. Because that was their morality.
It's a viewpoint. It'll change and change back again. Regardless of religion.
BATCHARRO 2 years ago
@TheAtheistPaladin i dont mean to be rude my friend but next time u make a video please consider a more neutral type of music.
HomeboyUnholy 2 years ago
4) The point is that you are dodging the point.
5) and, you are still dodging.
TheAtheistPaladin 2 years ago
1) you doge the point
2) you doge the point
3) you doge the point
TheAtheistPaladin 2 years ago
1) I think my point is clear. You are faulting a whole issue that centers around human behavior in general to a particular group(of groups) when general behavior is also at fault for said action. My point is, that more scientific gain is lost to "non profitability" than to religion. Therefore singling "them";and it's particular groups and people who are responsible for it. As you would write it, RELIGION EXISTING caused it to happen. My counter was, it's happening now without religions help.
BATCHARRO 2 years ago
1) People think that religion done nothing that would merit the attention of atheist. That is simply not true. Furthermore, people believe things they otherwise not believe if it not where for religion. Religion often gets a free pass for simply being it self. Nothing should be above question.
TheAtheistPaladin 2 years ago
Who is people? Are atheists something else than people?
In any case, it is surely not wise to talk for all Atheists on this matter. I am sure more than one has different reasons than yours. BUT questioning a subject as wide as religion, with it's many variants and subvariants, doesn't seem like it would solve any of the problems highlighted.
BATCHARRO 2 years ago
2) SIgh. "Religion causes X to happen". No "X" depends on huge sociopolitical factors ."You dodge the point" What point did I dodge? Poverty, and political ambition do the job more often, even if it seems religion was the reason. Leaders will exploit WHATEVER it is you believe to win you over, whether that's humanism or abortion, or gay rights or religion. That's what leadership and CHarima are all about. Again, not seeing the bigger picture. It's a human issue, not a religious issue.
BATCHARRO 2 years ago
3)"Because of religion people are bigoted" is such a retarded statement. It is not because of religion. People just are bigoted. Again, you put the burnt of the problem on religion.
4) I'm sorry, was your point "religion should cease existing because some religious leaders want something I don't like?" What about it, the world is full of people who's thoughts we disagree witIf you have a beef with Pat RObertson, then your beef is with him. Not with religion in general.
BATCHARRO 2 years ago
3) If the bigotry was not rooted in religious ground, then they would have to defend there bigotry. Again, religion should not get a free pass, it should be questioned.
4) Yet Pat Robertson wouldn't be able to get away with his bullshit if it not where for religion...
TheAtheistPaladin 2 years ago
They would have to defend their bigotry? Or maybe, being Bigots that we assume they are(I recognized none of the pics) they would find some argument.
You see, you are trying to retroactively erase Pat Robertson's stuff by making religion not exist, when there is clearly no way of knowing what would have turned out. It's a what if.
Also, about the science: We have a machine now that can purify any water, yet people die of parasites from contaminated wells by the boatloads. What's happening?
BATCHARRO 2 years ago
"they would find some argument."
And that argument will be debunked and they will fail, but if they go "That what the bible says" (and it does), then what recourse do you have? They "win" at that point.
Religion is the opposite of critical thinking. It is the opposite of questioning authority, and this authority is simply given over to them for claiming to speak for "god." You cannot promote these things without attacking the very heart of what religion is. It is just not possible.
TheAtheistPaladin 2 years ago
O.K... ill answer that question, being atheist and all.... WE ARE NOT ALL LIKE THAT YOU A-HOLE!!! thats like saying all black ppl are tall, look at gary coleman. i dont give a shit what you beleave in. I only give you shit if you confront me about something i truely beleave in, or am effected by it negatively. like now. you might as well wipped a rock at my face. you can go spend your life beleaving in whatever crackpot theory you want. just dont give me shit about...
Leogriffen 2 years ago
Enjoyed it, pieceof advice, speed up the frames slightly.
gobsbsdvfas 2 years ago
So your blaming all these terrorist groups on religon?. lol!
If there was no religon in this world your absoutely right, there would be no war in Iraq because it would be all over the world. never ending.
vfIskullangel 2 years ago
These terrorist groups care about fucking dirt.... or who owns that dirt.... What secural reason can you kill over useless dirt like Palestine/Israel? They kill because it is "holy ground" and it is no other reason than that.
More war with out Religion? ROFLMAO!
TheAtheistPaladin 2 years ago
You might think we go to war for religion but the fact is we go to war for money. We can give a flying fuck about religion.
vfIskullangel 2 years ago
Of course there is more than one reason to go to war. Where in the video do I state that "religion is the ONLY reason for war"? If there is one less reason for war, then it is only logical to assume less war... What is there not to understand about that?
TheAtheistPaladin 2 years ago
type in 'obama deception' 'truth lies' nd ull c da things dat we r supposed to c>>> the expert in this field his name is 'alex jones.... if loose change has been refuted then let me tell u fox news bbc all have been refuted as well. i am not suprised a spy is trying to hide dis evidence!!! also watch '7/7 ripple effect' proove to me the way they made the video its rong!! ansa them den ill believ the unseen
islaamisbeuty 2 years ago
The government can't even balance the budget, and you want me to believe they can pull of a flawless job that requires thousands of people and no one has yet to leak it.... Right. And the "obama deception" isn't even about Obama. Yet another conspiracy theory video that involves the last several presidents. So to review, conspiracy theories and you can't fucking write. What a rational and intelligent response.... [/end sarcasm]
TheAtheistPaladin 2 years ago
"islaamisbeuty"
Apparently, proper spelling isn't beautiful....
ikvsabre 2 years ago
apparantly english can be changed just like the bible.lol
islaamisbeuty 2 years ago
religions dnt cuase war. type in google loose change or documentary, type in youtube painful deceptions ull c its money and black gold dat destroys people but the blame is gone to the innocent
islaamisbeuty 2 years ago
Loose change has been refuted long ago. I am not surprised that a Muslim is promoting such ignorance...
TheAtheistPaladin 2 years ago
**** u u creationist moron
agent12803 2 years ago
whats the name of the song?
riccu94 2 years ago
good video!
DeterminationForever 2 years ago
people have always taken advantage of these ideas, so whats to stop someone from coming to power blaming god and religion for everythin thats goin (kinda like hitler blamed the jews)
religious ppl would call him the antichrist, but nontheless he'll be like Constantine the Great or any other leader that used religion, or ideas about religion for their own personal agenda... its possible, no??
valdrin85 2 years ago
atheists are pieces of shit, just like religious ppl...
religious ppl are convinced that god exists... atheists are sure that theres nothin after death..
atheism could be another religion that would be used in the fure to justify wars, crimes, massacres etc... so fuck atheists, its not a solution, it'll just create problems for the future...
buddhism is the shit... anyway beeing agnostic is the best, that is the solution for the future
valdrin85 2 years ago
Atheism to Justify wars? Crimes? Massacres? OMFG you are an idiot.
TheAtheistPaladin 2 years ago
hey, its a possibility
valdrin85 2 years ago