Great story. I do not CC as I do not find myself in threatening situations such as you described. Having been active duty Army for a few years the notion of weapons to be used only to shoot and shoot to kill has stuck with me. In civilian life the threats are more complex than on the battlefield. I've been curious to exactly when a person with CC should brandish and what sequence of events must happen preceding brandishing. I don't CC but this story gave a lot of insight.
Awesome story and I think a lot of gun owners who carry daily try to go over things like this in their heads. Its the people who don't carry and the sheep who aren't even aware of their environment that situations like this turn bad very fast. Stay safe out there!
good story. I still would have said something along the lines of, "Get away from me, I am perceiving you as a threat and feel I might need to defend myself and I am ready to do so if necessary". Just reaching for a gun and not even brandishing would be enough to scare away most dirtbags like this. If that doesn't work you could escalate force as the threat escalate. Shout, show, warning shot to ground, shoot to kill (if he displays a weapon). Most courts would recognize you are taking steps
@MrJmfitch I hear ya. It's one of those situations where it happens so quick, it felt like I was trying to process 5 different scenarios. It was a learning experience for sure.
@cascadematt You are absolutely right... never enough time for things to go the way you want them to. You can always practice a scenario. Ever hear the phrase "Mental dry fire"?
@cascadematt I completely understand how you must have felt (RE: happened so quick; processing 5 different scenarios, etc,). It can be confusing sometimes as to what the right thing to do is. I'm not sure if you have experienced live combat before, which always helps "Slow the Casio" (figuratively speaking), but either way, I would suggest joining a local IDPA Chapter... the clock and mission are your friction (stress). IDPA will prepare your mind for any future events. STAY BRICK, my friend! CC
You did the right thing. In OR, If you'd have brandished your firearm to defuse the situation, you'd have been in trouble for threatening him with deadly force. In fact, he would've had the right to kill you! If you carry, you've got to employ every option of escape and non-lethal force before you draw. It's messed up, because many times simply brandishing first could defuse a situation and save a life, rather than letting it get to the point where you HAVE to shoot 'em.
@HawkLMT it's the same thing in AZ for brandishing. That would have been my last resort. It took alot of will to hold back from just punching him in the head just out of principle, but adding a concealed carry is a whole different dynamic. So I wasn't about to initiate anything.
@blackjesuscracker616 brandishing is almost always illegal, displaying is what you would do to someone you feel is a threat.
SigCrash 4 weeks ago
Good story good insight. Stay safe
PTFAZ2011 3 months ago
Great story. I do not CC as I do not find myself in threatening situations such as you described. Having been active duty Army for a few years the notion of weapons to be used only to shoot and shoot to kill has stuck with me. In civilian life the threats are more complex than on the battlefield. I've been curious to exactly when a person with CC should brandish and what sequence of events must happen preceding brandishing. I don't CC but this story gave a lot of insight.
blackjesuscracker616 4 months ago
Awesome story and I think a lot of gun owners who carry daily try to go over things like this in their heads. Its the people who don't carry and the sheep who aren't even aware of their environment that situations like this turn bad very fast. Stay safe out there!
Armedlegally 6 months ago
good story. I still would have said something along the lines of, "Get away from me, I am perceiving you as a threat and feel I might need to defend myself and I am ready to do so if necessary". Just reaching for a gun and not even brandishing would be enough to scare away most dirtbags like this. If that doesn't work you could escalate force as the threat escalate. Shout, show, warning shot to ground, shoot to kill (if he displays a weapon). Most courts would recognize you are taking steps
MrJmfitch 6 months ago
@MrJmfitch I hear ya. It's one of those situations where it happens so quick, it felt like I was trying to process 5 different scenarios. It was a learning experience for sure.
cascadematt 6 months ago
@cascadematt You are absolutely right... never enough time for things to go the way you want them to. You can always practice a scenario. Ever hear the phrase "Mental dry fire"?
MrJmfitch 6 months ago
@cascadematt I completely understand how you must have felt (RE: happened so quick; processing 5 different scenarios, etc,). It can be confusing sometimes as to what the right thing to do is. I'm not sure if you have experienced live combat before, which always helps "Slow the Casio" (figuratively speaking), but either way, I would suggest joining a local IDPA Chapter... the clock and mission are your friction (stress). IDPA will prepare your mind for any future events. STAY BRICK, my friend! CC
HollowPointSurvival 3 months ago
You did the right thing. In OR, If you'd have brandished your firearm to defuse the situation, you'd have been in trouble for threatening him with deadly force. In fact, he would've had the right to kill you! If you carry, you've got to employ every option of escape and non-lethal force before you draw. It's messed up, because many times simply brandishing first could defuse a situation and save a life, rather than letting it get to the point where you HAVE to shoot 'em.
HawkLMT 6 months ago
@HawkLMT it's the same thing in AZ for brandishing. That would have been my last resort. It took alot of will to hold back from just punching him in the head just out of principle, but adding a concealed carry is a whole different dynamic. So I wasn't about to initiate anything.
cascadematt 6 months ago