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  • "Climate sceptic Willie Soon received $1m from oil companies -- this prominent opponent of climate change was funded by ExxonMobil, among others..." FROM:

    Guardian.co.uk/environment/201­1/jun/28/climate-change-scepti­c-willie-soon

    Can I help with denying climate change and also get paid so well for it?

    *** You are entitled to your opinion, but not your own facts! ***

  • I made my prediction 1 year ago that within 3 years it would be dead and gone... It has been one and it is almost unheard of for even the controlled state media to mention global warming anymore isnt it?

    It may not be dead completely but Global Warming has been told to go home say its goodbyes and get its affairs in order!

  • @ok1jwc Yes unfortunately reality doesn't change because you tell it to.

  • THE RELIGION OF GLOBAL WARMING IS DEAD. DEAD DEAD DEAD. 

  • thank god we dont have to consider methane farts any longer.

  • Is there a SINGLE major international science organisation that backs the denialist claims? (that AGW isnt a big problem) ... I just stumbled in here & cannot believe the ignorance Im reading. Guess they educate them in Russia the same as USA.

    There's been 3 independent investigations into the so-called climategate emails, and the science stands more solid than ever... and that was ages ago... Why do u insist that u know more than your educated peers? (coz u dont know u r stupid .. ?)

  • @garlicbreds : What I find peculiar is that the Bilderberger meetings had "Global Cooling" as one of the topics on their 2010 agenda. You'll find it on their official site. Now, you may not know this but the Bilderberger meetings are annual meetings by some of the most powerful people in the world to discuss various topics in private beyond the reach of the media. Why would these people discuss global cooling if the world is actually warming?

  • @garlicbreds : Also peculiar is that winters have been colder for the last few years in various parts of the world and last december here in Belgium we've had more snow than we ever had in 4 decades. Maybe this is meaningless but I've also seen a few media reports that mention declining global temperatures during the last few years. Also, what about the global cooling hype from the '70s? Something seems to be off here...

  • in Soviet Russia- global warming causes YOU!

  • climate . nasa . gov/evidence/

  • Is this Russia Today totally fucked in the head? Have they drunk the bullshit "global warming hoax" Kool-Aid?

    Humans are causing global warming and it is serious. It is proven fact.

    If you want a hoax, pick terrorism. There is no such thing as terrorism.

    Anyone who says otherwise just wants to burden victims of anti-terrorism hysteria who are dragged into court - or sometimes directly into prison - with massive unjust lawyer fees.

  • @deskset24 : What I find peculiar is that the Bilderberger meetings had "Global Cooling" as one of the topics on their 2010 agenda. You'll find it on their official site. Now, you may not know this but the Bilderberger meetings are annual meetings by some of the most powerful people in the world to discuss various topics in private beyond the reach of the media. Why would these people discuss global cooling if the world is actually warming?

  • @OutOfTheBoxThinker Because they think it's much much cooler.

  • Is it possible that what we keep calling Global Warming and Ice Age are simply El Nino and La Nina, but more extreme? And that climate switches from one to the other every few years? Maybe it's not one or the other but BOTH.

  • What instantly made me suspicious and made me look into the facts was when these people say "Believe in" global warming.Its like what you say when you talk about religion and deity's you say you don't "believe in" God.That's one of the biggest overlooked comments there is to do with this.No respectable scientist ever mentions the term "Believe in" when discussing facts.

  • hmmm this is pretty interesting but i mean look at how industry has grown so much over the past years and how fossil fuels have been burned and put into the atmosphere can it be coincedence that these climate changes arent related at all to human ifluence?

  • Is RT the Russian version of Fox news? Because it sure seems like it.

  • @quidproquo2004 Actually, RTAmerica is more like Fox News than Russia Today.

  • holy fuck night virgin, go smoke some weed and play some video games or something your too wound up

  • @Niightversionn Way to go laurelbush for getting GLOBAL WARMING 101 SHUT DOWN FOR ALL YOUR MULTIPLE ACCOUNT ABUSE!!!!!!!! Quit impersonating me all over youtube, laurelbush (also known as Spitfiremacx) AKA N ii ghtversionn Nigh tt versionn Knigh tt vision Nigtversionn Nightver ss ion, Nigh ttt versionn Nightversio m Nightverslon, Nightversio nnn, etc.. Stalker, impersonator, global warming DENIER. What an imbecile
  • @Nightversionn fuck off replying to yourself and wasting everybody's time

  • Climate news

    UN FACES PROBLEMS COPING WITH NATURAL DISASTERS, MINISTER WARNS

    By 2015, it is predicted that the number of people worldwide who will need to be rescued from natural catastrophes will rise by more than 100 million as more hurricanes, typhoons, floods and mudslides triggered by climate change add to the toll caused by earthquakes and man-made disasters

    Julian Borger, diplomatic editor

    Sunday 28 March 2010 18.16 BST

    LONDON GUARDIAN

    UNITED KINGDOM

  • Climate news..

    Greenland's coastal areas rising

    The dense, two-kilometre thick icecap that covers Greenland is melting so quickly that the island's coastal areas are rising at a rate of one inch per year. CBC CANADA

    May 19, 2010

  • @Niightversionn Still stalking and impersonating me? EXCUSE ME laurelbush (who forced NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC 101 to shut down Global Warming 101 due to his multple account abuse) YOUR account is a WEEK old. MINE is 3 years old. Quit impersonating me all over youtube with your global warming DENIER baloney N ii ghtversionn Nigh tt versionn Knigh tt vision Nigtversionn Nightver ss ion, Nigh ttt versionn Nightversio m Nightvers l on etc..
  • WOW Is that why you like to impersonate people who talk about the problem of global warming all over youtube laurelbush, also known as Spitfiremacx? (AND GET VIDEO GLOBAL WARMING 101 SHUT DOWN??? WHOO!!!!!!!! HOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You're a lame 69 year old GLOBAL WARMING DENIER impersonating me all over youtube aka N ii ghtversionn Nightvers l ionn Nigh tt versionn Knigh tt vision Nigtversionn Nightver ss ion, Nigh ttt versionn Nightversio m Nightverslon, Nightversio nnn, etc.. Stalker etc..
  • Climate news

    Farmers ponder climate measures

    Montanas major farm groups arent warming to federal climate change legislation, but a small group of independents say environmental changes will put them out of business if nothing is done.

    BILLINGS GAZETTE

    MONTANA

    May 5, 2010

  • Climate news

    Oil's hidden costs visible, but will it matter?

    America is seeing the usually hidden costs of fossil fuels - an oil spill's potential for huge environmental and economic damage, and deaths in coal and oil industry accidents.

    ASSOCIATED PRESS

    May 5, 2010

  • Automakers urge Congress not to block new emissions limits

    David Shepardson / Detroit News Washington Bureau

    Washington -- Detroit's Big Three automakers, Toyota Motor Corp., and six other automakers urged Congress Wednesday not to bar the Environmental Protection Agency from setting the first-ever limits on tailpipe emissions.

    David Shepardson

    DETROIT NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU

    MICHIGAN

  • @Niightversionn LAURELBUSH, (Spitfiremacx), you're a lame 69 year old man impersonating me all over youtube, AKA N ii ghtversionn Nigh tt version Niightversionn Knigh tt vision Nigtversionn (no h) Nightver ss ion, Nightttversionn Nightversiom Nightverslon Nightversionnn etc Stalker, impersonator, GLOBAL WARMING DENIER. What an imbecile
  • @Niightversionn Hey laurelbush, also known as (Spitfiremacx) You're a lame 69 year old GLOBAL WARMING DENIER impersonating me all over youtube aka N ii ghtversionn Nightvers l ionn Nigh tt versionn Knigh tt vision Nigtversionn Nightver ss ion, Nigh ttt versionn Nightversio m Nightverslon, Nightversio nnn, etc.. Stalker, impersonator, global warming DENIER. What an imbecile
  • Icelandic Volcano Chills Travel PlansBut What About the Climate?

    Published: April 15th, 2010 in Impacts, Climate

    By Andrew Freedman

    The ongoing eruption of Mt. Eyjafjallajokull in Iceland is disrupting flights across Europe, shutting down some of the busiest airports and aviation corridors in the world. But could it also disrupt the climate system, leading to a temporary cooling trend this summer?

    Not likely, according to Rutgers University environmental sciences professor Alan Robock

  • (continued)

    Not likely, according to Rutgers University environmental sciences professor Alan Robock, an expert on how volcanoes alter the composition of the Earths atmosphere. According to Robock, the Icelandic eruption hasnt contributed enough sulfur dioxide to the upper atmosphere to significantly alter the climate.

  • @Niightversionn Spitfiremacx, you're a lame 69 year old man impersonating me all over youtube, AKA N ii ghtversionn Nigh tt version Niightversionn Knigh tt vision Nigtversionn (no h) Nightver ss ion, Nightttversionn Nightversiom Nightverslon Nightversionnn etc Stalker, impersonator, GLOBAL WARMING DENIER. What an imbecile
  • now people wont give a shit about the envirement even more. Fuck. there goes earth.

  • WHAT COOLING?

    March was the HOTTEST March in the UAH 32 year satellite record.

    UAH (Univ. of Alabama, Huntsville) is run by Dr. Christy, the well known AGW denier.

    Global temperatures for February = 2nd WARMEST February in 32 years.

    Global Temperatures for JANUARY = the HOTTEST January for UAH in 32 years.

    LOL!!!

    HOT OFF THE PRESS - 4/10/10

    See the hilarious, delightful YouTube from greenman3610

    Debunking LORD MONCKTON Part 1

    /watch?v=JfA1LpiYk2o

  • Some Russians are happy that they are having warmer climate.

    What a surprise!

    In the middle ages not all scientists supported the theory of a flat earth. The same is true today.

  • @northerntropics lol the flat earth is just a myth

  • That's right! Not everbody in the scientific community agrees! I, for example, took high school physics and I think global warming is another huge liberal lie. There, add another to the list along with the other elite scientists, like the electrical engineers n' stuff.

  • in high school physics terms, explain how increases in CO2 do not affect albedo.

    In high school terms, who are the Koch brothers of Koch Industries, which interests do they represent (duh) and which astroturf opinion groups do they fund.

  • We're in a time capsule man.

  • Making guesstimates based on looking in the distant past is just guess work. Look at data that is here now. The US based on it's "carbon footprint" should raise the ppb (parts per billion) by 300 in the North Atlantic vs. the North Pacific due to prevailing westerly winds. In fact, the opposite is true. We are a carbon "sink."

  • Email-gate smacks of an orchestrated conspiracy to subvert Copenhagen, a second phase of the big-oil financed "Denier" campaign.

  • @JuanVoyce the answer is the Koch brothers of Koch industries

  • William Connolly now has total control of the Wikipedia site of Climategate. He is an ardent AGW advocate. The HAD/CRU emails are starting to arouse interest... climateaudit org First thing Novices do is go to WIKI. The fact that the AGW advocate

    and ardent suporter are now in 'lock' charge, Now reduces the credibility of the WIKI to absolute ZERO....

    There is Huge MONEY at stake in this Massive Fraud. Everything is now Suspect.

    The enemy is within the gates......

  • Good WORK Lord Monckton.

    I hope that you will noted and honoured as you should be.

    Please continue until this matter of Global Warming is sealed to never return again.

    So that we can all get back to focusing on local pollution - were we actually can effect change to our local environment, without needing a global carbon tax to do it.

    Cheers to you Monckton

  • I will make a prediction. This Global warming hysteria will be dead and gone within 3 years. It will dissappear just as fast as all those stupid fucking bad credit mortgage comercials that were everywhere one day gone the next. Just like the fucking OZONE layer hysteria in the 80's and the swine flu bullshit a few months ago. But don't worry, our masters will find a NEW boogey man for the sheeple before the corpse is cold. And again the sheeple will buy it hook line and sinker, stupid morons.

  • @ok1jwc My prediction is that the Koch brothers will eventually die but some other oil billionaires will keep fooling uninformed morons.

  • @ok1jwc The OZONE layer is true. The Ozone layer is totally fucked in New Zealand. I have traveled to many different countries in the summer and in NZ summer you get burnt several times worse. Sun burn takes far longer to heal here than even in Australia. As for your prediction on Global Warming I have to disagree, the Global Warming/Climate Change bandwagon is well funded and will make trillions with the Trading Scheme.

  • @Playboysmurf1 look fucktard the hole in the ozone layer is natural because the poles dont have lightning thunderstorms to manufacture ozone. no one gives a shit about ozone anymore it wasnt a problem then and isnt a problem now. as for your sunburn thats not new either, is it.

  • @datzfast You clearly have no idea what you are talking about because you have not lived in a region that is effected by the ozone damage caused by CFCs.

    You are wrong to say that the hole was always here because our people still alive today experienced the lower burn rates when we had decent Ozone layer, that has now gone.

    People like you just want to use CFC containing products because the damage doesn't affect your part of the world.

  • @Playboysmurf1 i really hope you burn your lying nose off.

  • @datzfast I will take that as an admission that you lost this debate.

  • @Playboysmurf1 ok pinocchio lol

  • @Playboysmurf1 And the reason people shut up about Ozone was because there was consensus amongst nations and international laws were implemented to stop the use of CFCs and there is nothing to argue about.

  • Also it was always strange how every scientist who doubted this religion was immediately labeled a big oil stooge. As if the PRO warming alarmists were not getting billions from government grants and getting famous for their alarmist bullshit! THAT is why this got so crazy. You do not GET any money if you say everything is FINE! You only get paid if their is a "problem that needs urgent government solutions" lol suckers!

  • @ok1jwc you mean like the scientist that did not believe that tobacco caused cancer were labeled tobacco industry stooges?

  • I have guessed this was a scam for years now. What originally made me suspicious was how the alarmist attacked ANYONE who dared to give an opposing view. I knew then we were not dealing with science. Science is NOT something that is settled. True science welcomes all input for proof. This is a religion for marxists who needed something after the fall of the Berlin wall pure and simple. I think this is the death nail for them but they will not go quietly they will fight tooth and nail.

  • @ok1jwc Have you visited the Arctic, the Antarctic or any tropical snow covered peak? Do you think ocean acidification is a big conspiracy among ocean scientists?

  • its not climate change its stupid people building in stupid places " flood plains, river deltas, barrier islands" some one else can continue the list and what makes you think the land is always the same elevation the land around the great lakes is still rebounding from the last ice sheet 10000 years ago just think of all the sea side human settlements there were in the last ice age people had to abandon what makes you think our cites are more important than theirs

  • Its not GLOBAL WARMING its CLIMATE CHANGE.

    No Email is about "fiddeling" the data. This is typical rethorics for the deniers community. No evidence but big words.

    The data from the last million years does not contain HUMAN ACTIVITIES. And it is not dealing with constant emissions of greenhgouse gases reaching the megatonnes per anno scale.

    There is data pointing at volcanoes as the source of climate changes. This is connected to greenhouse gases. Or not?

  • Carbon increase follows warming by almost 800 years. Al manbearpig Gore says we are causing warming with all of our carbon. He has been proven wrong and that what he is pushing is the biggest fraud since he claimed to invent the internet. watch?v=bKrw6ih8Gto

  • Read the Copenhagen for yourself.

    Be afraid be very afraid

  • This is not completely related but does anyone know a website that shows world temperatures over the last 50,000 years or so? You see that hockey stick chart really pisses me off. We'll put aside for a second that it is acually outright wrong. You need to measure temperature change over a much longer time than just 150 years. So i would like to know of any articles or websites that show a longer period of time. I cant find any.

  • The reason you are not seeing this in the media is to many are not MAN or WOMAN ENOUGH to stand up for what they know and tell and email EVERYONE they know about it. NOW GO DO THE RIGHT THING before the British Monarchy gets their plan put in to place for worldwide genocide. Oh then google solar cycle 24 the cooling is coming. move south!

  • What we are seeing is that peer reviewed science is simply a process of circling the wagons..

  • Why aren't the mainstream media making more of this story? (I 'think' I know the answer, but would like to hear others views on why)...

  • @spikesterg- In "Downfall"(highly recommended) is the depiction of Nazi Germany, literally in it's last days. The war is all but officially over but troops are still fiercely loyal to Hitler or at least reluctantly follow his orders, even though they know nothing can save them. Even after Hitler kills himself, soldiers are still Roman saluting each other and yelling "Heil Hitler". So, the story is that people can invest so much into a cause, when it's over, they just don't want to believe it.

  • @Tender... thanks, i'll check it out.

  • Orionds...

    It's time for the TRUE environmentalists to get angry at the financial elitists that have HIJACKED their very noble cause.

    Left, right, green black and blue.... let's convict these criminals that are trying to tax everything we do and own.

    Let's fight the REAL polluters.

    The Corporations.

  • This what-"gate" is like saying that because Einstein is bad to his wife, his theory is wrong.

    Or, because other medieval experts ganged up on Galileo, Galileo is "lying" about the earth.

    OK, keep burning the fossil crap, dump more CO2 so that the anti-global-warming bunch can be proved "right". I'll probably be dead then, so it won't matter.

    Hey, video the polar ice caps at different times each year and show us the caps are "not" melting. I've only seen and heard talk from the doubters.

  • Don't believe the un-"hype"

  • The so called environmentalists that are posting on here are so hypocritical it is revolting. Most of you live in big cities, feeding off the power supply, polluting the waterways by crapping in it and buying GMO foods sprayed with chemicals that you THINK are organic.

    The climate change agenda is political. Hijacked by the elite that do not live a conservative lifestyle. Look up that word, CONSERVATIVE. To conserve.

  • Hack the Planet!

  • i love the russians!

  • People that belief in man made global warming are either idiots or mexicans. Which one are you? Mexicans and idiots are the real problem on this planet!

  • Despite what the video says, I still think limiting the number of cars is good. Helps reduce traffic, since road growth is small compared to car number growth.

  • If we could just cut the country in half, and put all the left wing loons on one half, and the rest of us on the other we could all get along. Then all the tools for Al gore could ride their bikes to work, and pay carbon tax, become real hippies that don't take baths and they would be happy and we would be happy. I would pay a million bucks just to see the looks on all their faces when the weather naturally drops over then next decade.

  • That's how it is now. There's the South... and there's the rest of the country that's actually informed. And can someone explain to me why every single person that denies man-induced climate change equates it with Al Gore? All he did was make a movie... it's the international scientific community trying to get the information out there. And it's the big corporations who are trying to block them by recruiting gullible morons to perpetuate their misinformation in order to protect their bottom line

  • God Bless those Russians and their technique of exposing fraud..bravo bravo!

  • more PR for Big Oil Industry

  • big oil is all into green now. dont worry about them, it is you who will suffer

  • if you believe that I have some swampland in Florida for sale - you may be interested in it

  • not interested in swamp land..

  • Hmmm, russian media outlet... Russia's top export is oil and related products... Oil causes global warming... I wonder why they would air these crackpots? Could it be self-interest?

  • you're hopeless. we are too with people that think like you.

  • Very good video, good job, thanks for posting.

  • Good vid!

  • Even the guy that doesn't believe in global warming said that CO2 is like 'bread' to plants. If you start adding a whole bunch more 'bread' to our ecosystems, will it not throw things out of balance? If CO2 does effect plants and there is a significantly higher concentration of it, it doesn't take a disheveled scientist to realize that equilibrium will be disturbed.

  • CO2 makes up about 0.038% of the earth air. It used to be about 0.033% before industrialization. I don't think a 0.005% change could be considered significant.

  • deforestation from last century and continuing is good?

    you moron!!!!!!!

    that's the world's oxygen.

  • Recycle everything.

    Reforestate the deserts.

    Robotize hydroponics.

    Reroute sewage to fertilize the deserts (filtering and soil making from plants to trees).

    Stop using animals for anything including food.

    All products could be computer copied in every corner of the world in factories. Which would negate large areas of the transportation industry. And the industry left could be robotized and computer controlled.

    Quit breeding because of tradition. What a whore race these humans.

  • Krrrrup, you are rather ignorant. Reroute sewage to the deserts? I know that you don't like books, but you really need to read "The Humanure Handbook". Next time you crap in a toilet think about how much water you are wasting and how much you are polluting. If you aren't going to do it right, don't do it at all.

    And by some of the rest of your comments, your dependency on electricity and industry is really hypocritical.

  • Followers will always follow. They are the most educated. They have practiced following far longer than I have. Continue what you are doing. The world is full of you. Thank you for your reply

  • You could choose not to follow. And apparently the government is full of people like you. Educated by liberal schools. They despise the ones that educate themselves without their indoctrination. They are merely weak minded puppets that can't see the strings connected to them.

    Stop using animals for anything, including pets. That means your cat too.

  • What cat? I don't have a pet.

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  • you just dont no wot to belive eneymore, but i do no are goverments are trying to make money out of it all , sceeming assholes

  • email 1089318616.txt>

    I can't see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report. Kevin and I will keep them out somehow - even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is !

  • (In response to an editor (Saiers) of the Climate Journal, Geophysical Research Letters, refusing to kill a paper from McIntyre critical of Mann's research.)

    Proving bad behavior here is very difficult. If you think that Saiers is in the greenhouse skeptics camp, then, if we can find documentary evidence of this, we could go through official AGU channels to get him ousted.

    (This is the quoted message from the editor in chief of Geophysical Research Letters being discussed)

  • (Phil Jones to Michael Mann)

    Mike,

    Just sent loads of station data to Scott. Make sure he documents everything better this time ! And dont leave stuff lying around on ftp sites you never know who is trawling them. The two MMs [Steve McIntyre and Ross McKitrick] have been after the CRU station data for years. If they ever hear there is a Freedom of Information Act now in the UK, *****I think Ill delete the file rather than send to anyone.

  • You don't even know what a peer-reviewed journal is... please shut the fuck up. How the hell is an article going to be peer-reviewed if it's not even published? As for the hacked emails, please read about the incident in a real source of news. And you are the sheep, all the misinformation you are spewing was first manufactured by oil corporations and prepetuated by the politicians who take their money.

  • "Carbon Dioxide is like bread for green plants so agriculture gains significantly if there is more of it"

    "Warmers" This equals more food for people! YOU want to starve the plants and the people shame shame on you idiots

  • All of you people who are in denial about global warming are no different than people who think the earth is flat, a waste of time, all of you are a waste of time, keep listening to that racist pig skinned shit head alex jones. Jerkoffs

  • Finnaly someone that says something correct. its because of people like these that the earth dont evolve...it looks like know having co2 in excess is great for us just because a dozen of scientists said it on an E-MAIL. even if they dont have fundaments.

  • so is anyone besides Russia Today running these stories?

  • yes budda will pass some links if you want, there is a mainstream blackout, writers of the emails admit its their own writing, its a fact now.

  • There isn't a "mainstream blackout." I saw this story first in the LA Times. Only they reported the facts and the end result was... it's not that big a deal, at least not as big as all the conspiracy crackpots are making out to be. It was unethical of course, but... eh, just see for yourself, google the story as reported by a respective source of news.

  • Your missing the point, BBC recieved these emails 6 weeks ago and did not report them, if the LA Times is saying its no big deal you got your proof right there! that IS the blackout, this should be ALL OVER mainstream news showing for what it really is and criminal charges pending.

  • I didn't say they said it was a big deal. I read the article, processed the facts of the story, and decided that it wasn't a big deal. Seriously, go read the story yourself, and approach it with no bias, just look at the facts.

  • I have all the emails and can read for myself, the fact's are damming at best, why go through intermediate?

  • Because you are getting the details wrong. You are saying the emails are from THE group of scientists who are in charge of GW. No such thing exists, as climate change is a fact accepted by the worldwide community of scientists. All the testing, etc has been done by various research centers around the world and the debate really has been over for quite a while now. Before you say that there are thousands of scientists who dispute GW, show me proof. Names, institutions, peer-reviewd articles.

  • It is accepted as fact from a wide range of scientist's beacuse the majority model they are provided with is false, its not hard to work out, the CRU is one of the main institutes for final modelling.

  • Do you realize, that if a scientist were to find some real data that actually disproves GW, how famous he would be? The problem (your problem actually) is that no such data exists, or it would've been published already. Sure, someone might in the future, just like someone might find some evidence to prove that dinosaurs were really aliens. But for the time being, I am going to stick with the epxerts and rationality.

  • Scientists have big egos. Do you honestly think that every single scientist in the world is just going to take another scientist's word for it? That's the entire point of peer-reviewed journals, to prove that someone is wrong and that you are right. You need to discard your knee-jerk reaction that "scientists" connotes one homogenous group of ideas. GW has been proven via many various studies and approaches. It's like genetics confirming evolution, a different approach that proved the same thing

  • I have to say, your arguments are quite weak. They are based o assumptions, and not facts

  • We're talking about a supposed media blackout on the story. I called him on it, as this story has been reported in several mainstream newspapers. Then we began to discuss, in general, the likelyhood of GW being a fraud. Scroll down and see the real arguments with all the facts and such. Also, assumptions in a general discussion such as this requires a little logical flexibility. The facts exist, that's the problem with all these people denying solid science and evidence.

  • dekotable:

    "How the hell is an article going to be peer-reviewed if it's not even published?"

    I have to notify you that the meaning of a "peer-reviewed" article (journal) is that it is reviewed BEFORE the publication. So you see, you approached the subject with some serious misconceptions

  • Obama has not yet proven than he was born in Hawaii. Only by releasing an original birth certificate that states the HOSPITAL and attending PHYSICIAN can he prove that. The long-form document, which is currently sealed (along with his Harvard grades and papers) would include the hospital and would prove one way or the other the truth of this matter. Bush was a fraud. Obama is just a well-spoken fraud. Both parties are committed to CAUSE over CONSTITUTION.

  • Neither hospitals nor schools randomly release personal papers on persons, even highly known persons, especially not for conspiracy seeking nutjobs. If you went to my college and demanded my papers, they'd throw you out with a laugh. Its called privacy law, and politicians are not exempt from such laws. These have NEVER been asked of a prior pres, making your demand an exercise in hypocracy.

    Whats more, Obama HAS released his birth document, and local papers advertised his birth in Hawaii.

  • How dare you try to bring facts into this? Go back to your reasonable, rational world and leave the crazies alone.

  • Yeah but this is a Constitutional issue and highly political, Birthers have a prerogative. This hasn't had a precedent. His document is what Hawaii gives out, sure thing, the original document is what is demanded to quash the arguments.

  • No, birthers have an *agenda.* Even the original, still has the placenta dripping from it birth certificate won't convince them of something they would prefer not to believe. The Hawaii birth note, the comment from the hospital, the state two times announcing he was birthed there, local papers in the area announcing the birth... its absurd to even think he isn't a Hawaiian, and there is no reason he should have to do anything more than he already has, esp since its never been asked before.

  • Let the court settle it.

    The local papers are not proof of anything other than the fact that someone called, no one knows who, the paper to make this announcement.

    I tend to believe he was born in Hawaii, so why all the sealing of records?

    Your an Obamaton, I'm not.

    Whatever he says you believe, just like the Bush followers blindly believed in him.

    Well guess what, I don't believe anything those politicians tell me.

    They always lie on bills and corruption is what they're good at.

    Court.

  • You're telling me that you think its entirely logical to assume some life-long conspiracy about a person named Barrack Obama from 40 years ago had some secret agent planting his birth announcement in local Hawaiian papers on the off-chance he'd some day be president and need an alibi? Thats nuts.

    There are no Obamatons, just realistic people. I don't *believe* he was born in Hawaii, I *know.* That you call people "Obamatons" to support yourself is telling. Courts don't deal in nonsense.

  • Anything that conserves and protects the Constitution and has the people (or political opposition) rule over the elected officials should be welcome.

    I'm the master of them, not the other way around. I shouldn't have to show them my papers they need to show me.

    You don't know, you weren't there, OK? ;)

    Plus the sealing of Obama's documents bring up other reasons to speculate.

    Like I said, I believe he was born in Hawaii.

  • Anything? How about torture? Thats been done. I suppose discarding privacy protection laws is a small step, when you have that "anything goes" attitude.

    In reality, "anything" does not "go." We are ruled by laws, and we are not at option to drop or ignore them when it suits our purposes. You choose to be a member of this society, and are therefore ruled by societies laws. It isn't a one way street, you or them, its BOTH inseperable.

    Not being at the birth yourself negates nothing.

  • LMAO - All you stupid fucking tree huggin idiots can kiss my rosey red gun toten' 'bacor chewing red neck ass!

  • I knew global warming was bullshit from the get-go. Just another way for government to put taxes and restrictions on the people, and another way for the globalists to set up shop.

  • Al Gore said Carbon, the building blocks of life" was life and people fell for it. Plant food (Co2) was bad for Earth??? ROFL This is never going away...this is going in Science books, this is going into History...you cannot erase a 20 year FAKE hoax, that cost people millions of dollars."

  • Some call it global warming the rest of the educated world calls it weather

  • The GW emperor no longer has any clothes!!!!

    The final nail in the coffin.

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  • Thing that irritates me with this arguement is that anyone who wants to believe in anthropogenic climate change sees the people arguing about it as selfish people that want to keep driving SUVs and burning fossil fuels. I don't believe in anthropogenic climate change but I am all for alternative energies etc. I think the most important "Green" issue we should all be concerned about is the genetic engineering that is going on and making the planet a huge open air testing lab, dangerous stuff.

  • The Global Warming hoax falls into the same kind of destructive category as outcome based education and racial equality.  Feminism destroys the Family and causes women to miss their true calling in life. Dumbing down of the school system, racial integration, the elimination of the death penalty, disarming the population, no national borders etc. These things are part of the Communist takeover of the world.

    The socially destructive programs I've listed come not from proof, but from ideology.

  • You're just trying to get a rise out of people right? You don't really believe what you just posted right? If you did really mean it, please kill yourself. Also, dumbing down the school system is what america does, and you are solid proof of that.

  • You dont have a clue do you? This isnt about climate change, dictatorship is being set up right in front of your face and you still cant see it?

  • What does that have to do with anything?

  • They're not talking about climate change anymore, they're talking about a dictatorship taking over the world, a communist one apparently. Read the first guy's quote and then try to take them seriously. People who deny man-induced climate change tend to be... retards.

  • Why are you bringing race into this? I know your programmed to react like that because your being told the reality you think you know all about is nothing to do with what your current boxed mindset thinks, your setting a fine display on precisely how uneducated you really are.

  • Where do you people come from?? How did people get so stupid? About climate change, there is NOT A SINGLE article in a peer-reviewed journal that denies man-induced climate change. I guess if you don't "believe"science, then that point is moot, but for all the non-retards, I challenge you to find any REAL evidence that denies man-induced climate change. Fox News, right-wing radio, crazy conspiracy theory websites do not count... I'm talking scientific journals and articles.

  • listen to what hugster just said and do some research. Your really far behind, Calling people names? Have some self realisation.

  • Name calling is only one form of their manipulation, shame is another. Look at the names that they use. Deniers, conspiracy theorists...all directed to make people that don't agree with them look ignorant or gullible.

    They have no that the environmental movement has been hijacked by the very corporations that they oppose. And they have no clue that this is a very politically based agenda.

  • @dekotable

    Your talking about peep review journals that are controlled by Pro Climate Change Scientists. IPCC is not an impartial arbitrator of the Science. It is vested in creating a World Governing body using Cap and Trade to finance it.

    Please watch this video that explains Astrophysical foces causal agents for climate change.

    /watch?v=nlDl1lg6pPY

    (not Glenn beck, OK?)

    Article google: Carbon Dioxide irrelevant in climate debate says MIT Scientist

  • Do you people know what peer-reviewed journals are? As for the name-calling... yeah, you are retarded simpletons if you really believe in the crap you spew. Let me guess, you all don't "believe" in evolution as well... you all believe that the moon landing was faked... you all believe that the illuminati or the masons control the world... you all believe the WTC was bombed by the US government.

  • Al Gore says all that stuff, cute.

    Over the millions of years the sun has been colder and the CO2 levels were higher. The Sun has grown and gotten warmer as all stars do.

    I'm talking about Astrophysical causal agents and you bring up WTC 7.

    What really burns me up is the alarmist doomsday scenarios have gotten people into a stamped mode looking to "save" the planet. No matter that these changes would take millennium to occur, and the solution is Cap and Trade. China and India opt out? LOL.

  • (1) The ERBE data shows no significant feedback

    (2) The AMIP models that Lindzen used (Graph C above) are not suitable for comparison with ERBE data

    (3) The short term analysis done makes conclusions on climate sensitivity questionable.

    These are the mistakes made in the study that other scientists have pointed out... reason why the study is now discarded. However, even if the study was still valid, one study by itself does not disprove the steady progression of findings in science.

  • Wow, now your talking! And if the global climate computer models they wouldn't prove doomsday tomorrow.

    And the solution to the problem is World Govenment?

  • Definition of racist : One who wins an argument with a liberal.

  • expain to me how we can get rid of air pollution and smog in the big cities?

  • my god, the world is about to be taken over by a technocratic dictatorship, wake the hell up!

  • The world is cooling, but the ice is melting. So the ice melt is not caused by global warming, but something else.

    Maybe it is time to have a fast look at other things that cause melting ice, like micro-particules from smokestacks, which have increased enormously.

    If we are going to fix the real and immediate problem, melting ice and rising sea levels, then we need to look at the real causes, not scientific fraud designed for a trillion-dollar tax grab.

  • doesn't change anything. the rational logic in everything is that you do harm without moderation. pure and simple you err on the side of caution, not wild speculation or no control at all.

    also doesnt change the fact that the polar icecaps are melting at an alarming rate either.

  • Co the hot lands are cooling, and cold lands warming: Life is loving it.

  • Never in my life did I ever think a Russian would agree with an American. I am stunned!

  • The climate change fanatics have done to their agenda what feminazi's did to first wave feminism. Destroyed all credability of the movement with very similar tactics.

  • lol! right! zealots can bring anything up to an absurd.

  • what fanatics? Scientists? People that choose to believe science? The only fanatics i see are the ones that refuse to face facts. The ones that try to conform reality into their narrow political views. Please, read some books, educate yourself, do some research, and stop buying every little bit of bs on Fox News.

  • @dekotable

    I've been reading National Geographic, Popular Science, and other Science journals since 1980. I was become a skeptic in about 2000. I recall reading that grapes were grown in Scandinavia about 1 thousand ya. I grow grapes here, I live by the La Brea Tar Pits, Los Angeles.

    It seems that people are in a panic mode over this Climate Change. Like a stampeding herd the salvation given to the World is Cap and Trade. Never mind China and India won't participate.

    Why?

  • You assume that I have not read, educated myself and that I would be as gullable as yourself. You need a rethink.

  • You assume that I have not read, educated myself and that I would be as gullable as yourself. You need a re-think.

  • This news is really depressing to hear. I was hoping that global warming would evaporate all of the water on Earth.

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