I assume that this Isa may be the False prophet of end times as already predicted. Actually, the False Prophet must be Muhammad (piss be upon him), so Isa may be the one that speaks blasphemy and lies, adn the Antichrst leader is the Mahdi, the muslim messiah.
Christians must look at islamic scatoloy and be aware of the fact that muslims expect for the same end time events, bu it's the opposite.
According to the Quran, an innocent man was crucified in the place of Isa. He took his punishment and saved his life. In other words, he died for the sins of Isa. This innocent man is my Jesus.
I find it interesting that "Isa" seems to be Esau. Something there as well, possibly.
"And Esau hated Jacob because of the blessing wherewith his father blessed him: and Esau said in his heart, The days of mourning for my father are at hand; then will I slay my brother Jacob." (Genesis 27:41)
"As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated." (Romans 9:13)
say what you want world at the end of day we kown in our soul we cry out for jesus so you want live porverty and sin and hate then go ahead.if you want a better life say this words jesus come into my heart and be my lord and savior i thank for what you did at the cross for i want to love you are something new in jesus name we pray amen you are now save and eirs and co eirs of the kingdom of heaven now go and to a pentocostal church and begin to live bette life i love all and jesus loves you :)
wtf brutha no offence but u coming over a bit thickl i rish not thick and in mi past life i was blk and a man and i still wasnt thick. is just a diff pronunciation is all. if u check islam worldwide and i mean even before our beloved prophet muhammad(pbuh) came. btw u do fkn know he da seventh seal mentioned in bible inni. you anti black coconuts make me sick. check how salaam arabic for peace said all over world, but spelt and pronounced slightly diff. go join sell out obama if not like . X
@YeshuaisYahweh1 yeah of cause it it baby baby.. lol unless this man is a fake cud be a carbon copy machine cos he just talks lots of nonsense. king of jews isa jeasus emmanuel(pbuh) return soon and he gwan bee armed and dangerous perhaps we mess dese crackers of all shades up inshallah/g-d willing....peace :P
in fact the there's no such name as 'jesus' to apply to yahshua or isa the messiah. pronouncing jesus as in g-zeus may derive from the pagan origin of greek mythology. unknowingly ge means earth in greek and sus means swine or pig in latin so you are calling jesus as 'earth pig'. so jesus is not the applicable name to use be it in english. the arabs may have their own reason calling him isa as to avoid mockery or blasphemy while maintaing his notability.
Iησουν (Greek) pronounced "Iesoun" and the last letter (v)n is not from the orgine of the word but is added for grammer needs. So in Arabic the name pronounced Isa.
Also Iησους (Greek) pronounced "iésous" the last letter (ς) is a sigma.
So the pronouncing of the name in the ARAMAIC -which is the prophet Isa language- and in Arabic would be Isa and in the new Hebrew toung its Isao
all religious concepts came from Egypt , the ancient Nubians.. the white man who came out of the caves stole it (FACT) the goat hearding Arabs helped steal (FACT).. now dont go start quoting scriptures on me cause thats lame..truth is truth everyone ...2tru2 peace God~!
You are correct regarding the Old Testament of Yeshuah. But the New Testament came to us in Greek, not Hebrew. Jesus in Greek is Isoos like in Russian. Pronounced Haysoos in Spanish. True the Quran Jesus (Isa) is a different Jesus but most Muslims understand it like in Greek.
There is no proof of it being written orginally in Hebrew. Zero manuscripts. Paul likely communicated to Jews in Hebrew but that was short lived when he went to Gentiles who would not have used Hebrew. Earliest NT manuscripts were in Greek and that is what the 2st century fathers (Justin, Polycarp, Ireneaus etc) used.
@1Waddup LOL what an imbacile you really are. Have you watched Dr Zakir Naik vs Dr William Campbell on YT? Watch it and see the truth. PUT UP OR SHUT UP go on pal it's a challenge.
Ash-Shifa, Allah, through Sharia, expresses a great disdain for the black people in this manner:
Ahmad ibn Abi Sulayman, the companion of Sahnun said, Anyone who says that the Prophet was black should be killed. (Ibn Musa al-Yahsubi, Qadi Iyad. Ash-Shifa. Tr. Aisha Abdarrahman Bewley. Medina Press, P.O. Box 5531, Inverness IV5 7YA, Scotland, UK, fifth print 2004, p.375)
yesuwa is not an arabic word. and yeshua means "God" in hebrew. and God in arabic language is "Allah"
"yesuwa" from where did you invent this word ?
and king in arabic language is Malek, not melek.
ok anyway... first of all, jews dont talk about "savior king jesus" they dont believe God is Jesus or son of God... second, in arabic land, christians also dont talk about savior king, they say "al masseeh" (the christ) or "nabi Issa" (prophet Jesus)
I meant Romans didnt liked the jews, and they support jesus. but jews told and put pression to romans for that they kill jesus. well, the jews are the responsible of the death of jesus, not the romans, because romans were democratic and they havent choice because the jews protested against jesus
you know what ? jesus wasnt crucified. God another who was similar to Jesus, and Jesus escape. they crucified the false Jesus. thats why some people saw Jesus after the cricification ! islam is logic.
and who say Yeshua is Jesus ? dont you know that Yeshua = God ? is Jesus was a God ? he was a great prophet send by God. he had mission to told you that you should worship God only. God gave him power of miracle for that he proove that you should worship God.
isa is the real name because he come from palestine. if you go to jerusalem church, the catholics are not talking about "jesus" anymore. anyway... they speak arabic
No, names have ACTUAL meanings. Please inform me what the name "Isa" MEANS in Arabic. And don't tell me "it means Jesus", that is like saying "John" means "Johan" or "Yochanan".
What does "Isa" mean in Arabic? All Arabic names have a clear meaning, while Isa has none.
1st, you say that the Quran is wrong for referring to Jesus as Isa; but what about referring to him as Jesus? The letter J is the last letter added to the alphabet, and simply did not exist until more than 1300 years after Jesus? Jesus' name in Hebrew was referred to as Esau or classically Yeheshua. You state hath the truth!
YHWH is the tetragrammaton. It is the name of God in Hebrew. There are no vowels in this Hebrew word, so it is not pronounced Yahweh.
"Esau"(Hebrew); classical "Yeheshua" is taken from The Name of Jesus: Rebuttal by Quennel Gale. The article shows how the Arab Christians in the 2nd century referred to Jesus as Esau/Esus(savior). It is alleged that Jesus is referred to as ben Pantera/pandera in the Talmud. Many are ignorant to this information. It is also alleged that the Arab Jews refereed to him as Esau to depict the similitude with the brother of Jacob who was persecuted by Israel.
Its funny how you try to distinguish Jesus of the Bible and Jesus of the Quran they are both the same person The only difference is the Quran say Jesus spirit was taken before they tortured and crucified him reason being GOD ALLAH wont let his servants be humiliated by unbelieving men like yourself who put up barriers between yourselve.
Ishmael was Isaac's half brother. Isaac had two sons: Essau and Jacob. "Isa" or "Esa" is more similar to "Essau" which was the son of Isaac which did not receive the blessing.
'Isa' is the Arabic version of the Hebrew name 'Esau'. The Muslim apologist Ahmed Deedat is a proponent of this theory, and it is linguistically sound.
Isa of the Quran is a created being who will come back and fight the Christians and Jews, and break the cross.
Yeshua of the Bible is uncreated, eternally existant, returning to rule on the throne of King David from Zion.
""Isa of the Quran is a created being who will come back and fight the Christians and Jews, and break the cross."
Not related to subject. "
I don't really care if you think it's related to the subject or not. Anyone who knows the true Messiah would be able to see WHY this not only related but CENTRAL to the topic.
Messiah's second coming is what will fulfill the remaining prophecies about Him. They CONTRADICT what the Quran says Isa will do, hence Isa is not Yeshua.
Quite frankly, proper names should not be translated into other languages. But if you do, there are actually linguistic rules that need to be followed to ACCURATELY translate a name into another language. MOST of the names you listed violate these rules (and a number of them are very poor transliterations or linguistic impossibilities).
"It is very simple. One trueth namely the God's WORD."
Yes. The word of Yahuweh is the only truth. You might want to read it and learn about Messiah.
"Yes the word of Yahwa Elohim Ahod is the only truth and we all should learn about the Messiah."
Perhaps the word you are looking for to describe Yahuweh is "Echad", because "Ahod" is a Hebrew name for a person meaning "union" (it comes from the same root word as 'echad', which means 'united/inseperable').
"The Arabic equivalent of alaha is ilaha, not Allah."
I 'm not knowledgeable in Aramaic language but I think we can even use Alaha as verb and it depend on how to pronounce it. I think the right Aramaic equivalent to ilaha is elo not AALAAHAA or ALOHO. SHQEER'E D ALAAHAA - - - - thanks to God. ALAAHAA MINAAKH (F) / MINOOKH (M) - - - - God be with you .
Sorry, but you are not correct in a linguist sense. ilaha is the Arabic equivalent of alaha. All you have to do is look at the Aramaic alphabet and the Arabic alphabet. Next, look at how 'alaha' is used in Biblical text. It is a general term for diety that is applied to pagan gods as well, not a name. Allah on the other is a NAME of a diety.
More proof is that alaha, ilaha, eloah, etc, all have one 'L' in there respective languages when properly transliterated to English.
"You are absolutely right. Allah(Alaha) is Allah in all languages,"
'Allah' is never translated because it is a proper name (noun, masculine, singular). The Aramaic 'Alaha' on the other hand, is just a general term for diety. The two are not equivalent.
Isa of the Quran is the God's WORD, the Messiah and one of God's most beloved prophets. He was neither God nor the son of God, but rather a human prophet, one of many prophets sent over history to guide mankind. He was born miraculously and was able to perform miracles by the will of God. He was neither killed nor crucified. He is alive in heaven and will return to the world in the flesh once the world has become filled with injustice.
Eesha, Eesho, Eeshoa, Eeshaw, Eashoa are the same name, Esa (Isa) in Arabic .The shin in Hebrew or Aramaic is sin in Arabic tongue. Like Shalom become Salam in Arabic. The names Yasua or Yeshua are totally unlike the Aramaic name.
"The names Yasua or Yeshua are totally unlike the Aramaic name."
His name in Aramaic would be spelled "yeh-sheen-waw-ein". The direct version of this in Hebrew is the name Yeshua. Furthermore, there is NO evidence the Messiah was given an Aramaic name.
"Isa" is the odd name out, especially since the Arabic name of Messiah is Yasua. This is even the preferred name Arabic Christians use.
"Messiah's name is a HEBREW name, and always was. "
The Messiah followers were called iessaei or Esaion before they were called Christians. Yeshua is the Hebrew translation of the aramaic Eesho or Eeshu.
"The Messiah followers were called iessaei or Esaion before they were called Christians. Yeshua is the Hebrew translation of the aramaic Eesho or Eeshu."
There is no evidence at all to back up EITHER of your claims. The Messiah's followers were first referred to as "Nazarenes", He lived in a culture where children were given Hebrew names picked right out of the Tanach, and His name means "salvation". All these things are documented. Your claims are not.
"...but some believers were called iessaei or Esaion before they were called Christians"
'Iessaei' is the Latin form of the English word 'Essenes'. The Essenes were a separate movement that held no doctrine of Yeshua being the Messiah. Epiphanius mistakenly referenced them as a primitive group in the 2nd century, and Eusubius also identified them around 250 A.D., but correctly notes them as a "Jewish Sect". They were monastic Jews, mainly vegetarian, not 'early Christians'.
" 'Iessaei' is the Latin form of the English word 'Essenes'. The Essenes were a separate movement that held no doctrine of Yeshua being the Messiah"
Epiphanius, Bishop of Salamis, writing in the second century, says: "They who believe on Christ were called Iessaei (or Essenes) before they were called Christians. These derived their constitution from the significance of the name Iesus (Jesus), which in Hebrew signifies the same as Therapeutae, that is, saviour or physician."
Thankfully, we have access to a wealth of information on the internet that allows us to find good sources and study history. The Essenes predated the ministry of Yeshua by many years. The Essenes were not the original name of the followers of Yeshua.
"They were monastic Jews, mainly vegetarian, not 'early Christians'"
"All of these statements, which today are considered as the original teachings of Jesus, were borrowed from the ancient writings of the Essenes. There was one thing, however, which the Church failed to borrow. That was the observance of the seventh day, which was such a strict ritual with the Therapeutae, but which was not considered as a matter of great importance by the early Christians. "
"...but which was not considered as a matter of great importance by the early Christians."
The followers of Yeshua AND the writers of the 'New Testament' kept Shabbat and the feasts of Israel.
You can make comments about "the Church" taking its ideas from the Essenes if you want, but it is unsabstantiated. The truth is, "the Church" was started by Abraham. I couldn't care less about the unscriptural paganism people follow. Gentiles are the "grafted in branch" of Israel through Yeshua.
It would seem that you are no longer interested in discussing the liguistic origins of the name of Messiah, and the error the Quran makes in calling Him "Isa" when the Arabic version of His name is "Yasua". I don't blame you. It is an impossible position to defend.
"It would seem that you are no longer interested in discussing the liguistic origins of the name of Messiah"
Ahmed Osman claims in his book Out of Egypt that the name "Essene" is to be translated as "follower of Jesus (Essa).Geza Vermes, a scholar and writer on religious history, traces the word to the Aramaic "Esaoin", meaning "followers of Esa". Vermes identifies this with Isa, an early name for Jesus .
"It would seem that you are no longer interested in discussing the liguistic origins of the name of Messiah"
Josephus and Philo pronounced the essenes name as "Esaoin", which means in Arabic followers of "Esa", which Vermes says is the name of Jesus according to the most ancient mosaic portrait found in Turkey dated 70 A.D. which says underneath "Esa our Lord".
"Josephus and Philo pronounced the essenes name as "Esaoin", which means in Arabic followers of "Esa""
This is nothing more than playing games with transliterations.
"portrait found in Turkey dated 70 A.D. which says underneath "Esa our Lord""
This is a VERY unusual claim since in 70 A.D. in Turkey the language spoken was Koine Greek and in extreme reaches Aramaic which uses a "shin". I would like to know what language these inscriptions were in and evaluate the transliteration used.
I don't know of a nicer way to put this, but your claims are actually laughable. It's not really your fault though, as you are just using really bad sources of information.
"traces the word to the Aramaic "Esaoin","
If it were Aramaic is would be "Esh" not "Es". The Aramaic letter is a 'shin'.
Further, it is factually IMPOSSIBLE for Essene to mean "follower of Esa". It is originally a Hebrew word and it predates Yeshua. Sorry, but what Mr Osman is claiming is not correct.
"If it were Aramaic is would be "Esh" not "Es". The Aramaic letter is a 'shin'."
Esaoin (ESA-OIN) OIN means in Arabic and Arameic (S for plural). (Ἰησοῦς - ايسوس Isous ) Means savior or physician, so if you look for the meaning physician in the Aramaic language you will get ASAYYA (iessa).
"Esaoin (ESA-OIN) OIN means in Arabic and Arameic (S for plural)"
Western Aramaic used the letter 'shin'. Esaoin is linguistic impossibility for Western Aramaic. These 'S' sounds are not possible for your claim. They would be 'Sh' sounds. The fact that you have to contort and twist and turn down the most tortured long path to connect "Isa" with the true name of Messiah is clear evidence that you have an untennable position. The true names are a short journey:
Aramaic name for the Messiah is Eeshu(Eissa ) and translated to Greek as Isou (Ἰησου) or Isous(Ἰησοῦς) .The name was translated back to Hebrew as Yeshua (Yesua ) to have the same meaning as the Greek name. The letter Ayin at the beginning of Eeshu was placed at the end to turn it to Yeshua.
The name of Messiah was a Hebrew name, Yeshua. You will never find ONE shred of proof that He was ever given an Aramaic name.
It's Yeshua in Hebrew, and Yasua in Arabic. Isa is an imposter who will return to fight the Jews and the Christians. Yeshua IS a Jew and will establish a 1,000 year reign sitting on His throne in Jerusalem.
In my comment I used the parentheses for the Arabic version of the Aramaic name Eeshu(Eissa) and a for the Hebrew Name Yeshua (Yesua). You did not say that Yesua is not Hebrew name.
"It's Yeshua in Hebrew, and Yasua in Arabic. Isa is an imposter who will return to fight the Jews and the Christians."
I have full respect for the name Yeshua (Yasua), because it is possible that the names Isous in Greek or Latin , Eeshu in Aramaic, Yeshua in Hebrew and Yesu / Eissa in Arabic are all mean the savior and referring to the Messiah. I was not there 2000 years ago.
"and translated to Greek as Isou (Ἰησου) or Isous(Ἰησοῦς)"
No wonder you are so confused. You have some serious transliteration problems. The Koine word is "Iesous" and it was translated from His original name Yeshua.
"No wonder you are so confused. You have some serious transliteration problems. The Koine word is "Iesous" and it was translated from His original name Yeshua."
Show what each Greek letter stand for to see if it Isous or Iesous and spell Eesho and Eissa in the ancient Greek and then to Latin.
I will come back and show you how the name 'Yeshua' was tranlated into 'Iesous' in the Greek when I have the time to address it properly (I don't have Hebrew or Greek fonts where I am at right now, I am away from home for several days). And I will do the same for the Aramaic, showing you how it was translated from His Hebrew name and what the Greek equivalent of the Aramaic is, IF I can find Aramaic fonts somewhere (I don't have those at all).
"Further, it is factually IMPOSSIBLE for Essene to mean "follower of Esa"."
The floor is yours, tell us what Essene means and who are your Scholars who said it is IMPOSSIBLE to pronounced the essenes name as "Esaoin" and to mean "follower of Esa".
"The floor is yours, tell us what Essene means and who are your Scholars who said it is IMPOSSIBLE to pronounced the essenes name as "Esaoin" and to mean "follower of Esa"."
First of all, I doubt any "scholar" will make the direct statement "Essene does not mean follower of Esa" because such a claim is a complete historical absurdity.
I will be happy to tell you who the Essenes were, and your other requests when I have the time to do it properly.
Exactly! He was a trained Rabbi, and it is recorded that He read from the Tanach (which was written in Hebrew) and He quoted it frequently. NO ONE could ever be a scholar of Hebrew scriptures in the first century without being FLUENT in Hebrew.
"He was a trained Rabbi, and it is recorded that He read from the Tanach (which was written in Hebrew) and He quoted it frequently"
You are right the Messiah was speaking Hebrew fluently, but his name and native language were both Aramaic. Also some sources reported that he was speaking Greek too.
"You are right the Messiah was speaking Hebrew fluently, but his name and native language were both Aramaic. Also some sources reported that he was speaking Greek too."
Therein lies the problem. You cannot prove He was given an Aramaic name. For His parents to have given Him an Aramaic would be contrary to 1st century Jewish custom, especially in a family where He was sent into training in the Scriptures at a young age. The 1st century Judeans gave their children Hebrew names.
No, He is Hebrew. In fact, He is a Jew (from the tribe of Yehuda) of the line of King David. Aramaic was a LANGUAGE spoken in the region.
What you are saying would be the same as claiming all Americans are English, because they speak the English language. You are speaking pure nonsense. Language is not a predictor of ethnicity.
you and YHWHisElohim are both saying the same thing. Jesus was a Hebrew Israelite from the tribe of Judah. Aramaic was probably his main language followed by Hebrew.
Although the majority of the new testament is based on Greek manuscripts, it is unlikely that Jesus spoke Greek.
no he was aramaic, not hebrew. maybe his mother was jew, but she change idea. I am muslim and if I want, I can become christian. religion is not a race.
and Jesus was a prophet, send by God. whatever what language he spoke, that doesnt make him a jew.
and then bet lahem (house of meat) was an arabic city ,not hebrew. bet lahem are two arabic words
anyway you know what? all the universe is for God, not only israel. are you an israeli ? no well jews will not consider you as their brother
Psalms 22v.2 אֵלִי אֵלִי, לָמָה עֲזַבְתָּנִיEli Eli Lima Azabtani(עֲזַבְתָּנִי , Hebrew word).Lima shabachtani not lima Azabtani. Prove that shabachthani(sabachtani) is Hebrew word.
"Eissa (Eeshu) was speaking Aramaic and his name was Aramaic."
That is not true. He has a Hebrew name. Better yet you keep coming up with new transliterations and spellings as you go along. All of the sudden it is "Eissa"? You are grasping at straws trying to make the words you type in English look as similar as you can to Messiah's real name. Give it a rest already.
"Better yet you keep coming up with new transliterations and spellings as you go along. All of the sudden it is "Eissa""
The spelling of Eissa may take many forms -- Isa, Esa, Essa, and Eissa. The Arabic language is written in Arabic characters, thus any transliteration system tries to reproduce the phonetic sound. There are four letters in the Arabic Name عيسى (Ayin—Ya—Sin—Alef). I'm interested to see your spelling version.
you shall call His NAME Y'SHUA for He will save His people from their Sins." ..all this done that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying: "Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Emmanuel," which is translated, "God with us."
Not every young woman is virgin, not every el is God. Priests and Prophets were called Els, gods and sons of God in the old testament (even the devil was called god). You are reading eastern books and playing fast and loose with the meaning.
Bible Matt 1:1 The Book of the genealogy of Y'SHUA MESSIAH the Son of David,
But while (Joseph) thought about these things, behold, an ANGEL of YAHWEH appeared saying, "Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His NAME Y'SHUA for He will save His people from their Sins.
besholem- "He is the Messiah but he id not the son of David"
The prophesies about Messiah in the Tenach are VERY clear. The Messiah MUST be from the line of King David
If you argue He is not a descendant of David when the Quran says He is Messiah, you are disproving Yeshua is Messiah and disproving the Quran
I assume you don't know about many of these prophesies about Messiah so I thought I would let you know, saying He is not from the House of David is calling your Quran wrong. Careful
"I assume you don't know about many of these prophesies about Messiah so I thought I would let you know, saying He is not from the House of David is calling your Quran wrong. Careful "
The Quran is clear that the Messiah is God's WORD. I wish you best of luck if you are going to use the Jewish scriptures to prove that Jesus is the Messiah.
"The Quran is clear that the Messiah is God's WORD. I wish you best of luck if you are going to use the Jewish scriptures to prove that Jesus is the Messiah."
The ACTUAL proof is in the Tenach. All you have in the Quran is a blind statement about 'Isa' with no proof. The Hebrew Scriptures actually have HUNDREDS of prophecies Yeshua fulfilled. This is REAL proof.
The fact is, the very idea of "Messiah" comes solely from the Tenach. The Quran gets the idea from there.
how many variation of names can u find from the prophet noah?? are the meanings in chinese, hawaiian, japanese, africa, europe about noah the same? i dont think so.. reply me..
Jesus is the way, the truth and the life..Mohammed never said this so there is no reason to follow him...Besides Jesus showed his love for everyone by dying on the cross and muhammed never did this...Jesus was sinless nad Jesus is alive!!
Jesus wasn't an ordinary man..He was the son of God..In other ways God..He could perfom miracles like raisin people from the dead, healin the blind and sick....
When God describes Jesus he says in hebrews 1v8"But to the son he says Your throne oh God is forever and ever A scepter of Righteousness is the scepter of your Kingdom"
you are not free..accept the Jesus or you will burn - that's blackmail!
Your exaggarated conclusions is absurd
Implicity boasting you are a Christian,does not make a you Christian. In reality you amount to nothing by associating yourself with it's God you boost your self esteem. You can only hope to be a Christian by good deeds. In reality we can never actually be, we can only pray and hope to be...
I find it interesting that muslims want to erase their history in the slave trade. The Europeans will admit what had happened was wrong. You will not find many muslims who will admit that muslims were some of the biggest offenders of the slave trade. They don't teach that in schools, because no one wants to offend the muslims now do they ?
The exact same thing can be said about Christianity. Those who were involved in the slave trade weren't true Christians. Jesus never had slaves and he never condoned it in any way or means.
Rome and the area Jesus had lived at that time was very multicultural. It could have been Jesus was of any nationality. It could also be Jesus disciples were of multi nationalities.
Regardless of what nationality Jesus was.... ? The reason Jesus was born and lived in that area of the world, is because it was a trouble spot. - and still is ??
If he would have been born anywhere else in the world, perhaps it would have become more of a race issue. As it stands, no one really knows for sure what nationality Jesus was. And that really doesn't matter anyway.
I watched the video you sent me. All of it from start to end.
What did I think of it ?
I Thank God that I am a Christian ! A follower of Jesus.
That video showed me what the problem is with islam. Islam doesn't believe in God. I'll explain... God the Creator of all things ! God the all knowing all seeing. God of life and death. I could go on and on, but I think you know those things. Right ?
So here is the problem with islam... Why does it seem such a miracle to muslims that God created Jesus from a virgin women ? All God has to do is say so, and it is done. God is all powerful ! If you don't believe God could do a simple task like that, then you really don't believe in God.
God raised Jesus from the dead. What is that a problem for God ? No ! God can do anything ! If you don't believe he can, then you don't believe in God ?
Sry bro but i dont understand that, what are u writing here...
We Muslims belive in ALLAH (GOD).
We also belive that Jesus (Isa) done alot of Miracles and that he was borned from his mother which was a Virgin.
I dont think that you watched the movie from the beginning to the end cuz then u would understand that Jesus name wasnt Jesus and that we are believing in ALLAH (God).
I did watch the whole video. Its a long video. There are so many points I could dispute about it, I don't even know where to start.
One point I would like to make about what Ahmed Deedat was talking about in the video is trinity. There is no such thing as trinity. I really don't know who started this whole trinity thing, but it is wrong. It is what is confusing Christians and Muslims.
I'm not making those points just to Muslims. I'm making those points to Christians that believe this wacked out theory called trinity. The trinity theory is wrong. It is confusing Christians and Muslims, It is a little wonder that Muslims think Christians are off track when they hear this trinity theory.
God is "God" the Father of all things, from the beginning of time to the end of time. God's Son Christ , Jesus, Yshua, (or whatever name might be translated as the Son of God) is with his Father in Heaven. Jesus is not his Father. Jesus never said he created all things. Jesus (Son of God) is the Savior of mankind and therefore Lord over all. God is still "God". And Jesus is "Lord" over mankind.
YOu speak the Truth.
I assume that this Isa may be the False prophet of end times as already predicted. Actually, the False Prophet must be Muhammad (piss be upon him), so Isa may be the one that speaks blasphemy and lies, adn the Antichrst leader is the Mahdi, the muslim messiah.
Christians must look at islamic scatoloy and be aware of the fact that muslims expect for the same end time events, bu it's the opposite.
Islam is dfinetly the Beast of Revelation.
humbleman9 4 days ago
According to the Quran, an innocent man was crucified in the place of Isa. He took his punishment and saved his life. In other words, he died for the sins of Isa. This innocent man is my Jesus.
chemerich 7 months ago 3
I find it interesting that "Isa" seems to be Esau. Something there as well, possibly.
"And Esau hated Jacob because of the blessing wherewith his father blessed him: and Esau said in his heart, The days of mourning for my father are at hand; then will I slay my brother Jacob." (Genesis 27:41)
"As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated." (Romans 9:13)
BreshiBaraElohim 9 months ago
Jesus is the dead man, and Isa is still alive !!
mayrainfalldown 9 months ago
say what you want world at the end of day we kown in our soul we cry out for jesus so you want live porverty and sin and hate then go ahead.if you want a better life say this words jesus come into my heart and be my lord and savior i thank for what you did at the cross for i want to love you are something new in jesus name we pray amen you are now save and eirs and co eirs of the kingdom of heaven now go and to a pentocostal church and begin to live bette life i love all and jesus loves you :)
brotheredward1 11 months ago
Jesus and Isa are not the TRUE name.
Theresa968 1 year ago
wtf brutha no offence but u coming over a bit thickl i rish not thick and in mi past life i was blk and a man and i still wasnt thick. is just a diff pronunciation is all. if u check islam worldwide and i mean even before our beloved prophet muhammad(pbuh) came. btw u do fkn know he da seventh seal mentioned in bible inni. you anti black coconuts make me sick. check how salaam arabic for peace said all over world, but spelt and pronounced slightly diff. go join sell out obama if not like . X
Hosanna1Love 1 year ago
"Jesus" is a fake name!!
YeshuaisYahweh1 1 year ago
@YeshuaisYahweh1 yeah of cause it it baby baby.. lol unless this man is a fake cud be a carbon copy machine cos he just talks lots of nonsense. king of jews isa jeasus emmanuel(pbuh) return soon and he gwan bee armed and dangerous perhaps we mess dese crackers of all shades up inshallah/g-d willing....peace :P
Hosanna1Love 1 year ago
in fact the there's no such name as 'jesus' to apply to yahshua or isa the messiah. pronouncing jesus as in g-zeus may derive from the pagan origin of greek mythology. unknowingly ge means earth in greek and sus means swine or pig in latin so you are calling jesus as 'earth pig'. so jesus is not the applicable name to use be it in english. the arabs may have their own reason calling him isa as to avoid mockery or blasphemy while maintaing his notability.
wish4night 1 year ago
Iησουν (Greek) pronounced "Iesoun" and the last letter (v)n is not from the orgine of the word but is added for grammer needs. So in Arabic the name pronounced Isa.
Also Iησους (Greek) pronounced "iésous" the last letter (ς) is a sigma.
So the pronouncing of the name in the ARAMAIC -which is the prophet Isa language- and in Arabic would be Isa and in the new Hebrew toung its Isao
urchat 1 year ago
the LORD JESUS was tried in 6 Law Courts in Israel for His Claims to be Deity.
King Yshua does not need PBUH on HIM HE IS THE PRINCE OF PEACE THE GIVER OF PEACE HE IS ALIVE NOT DEAD
PBUH ( does not mean paece be upon him in Arabic. You have been lied to )
I AM WHO I AM = YAHSHUA = JESUS ( HEBREW AND ENGLISH)
ISA does mot mean JESUS OR YSHUA
Think about that
2TRUE2 2 years ago
all religious concepts came from Egypt , the ancient Nubians.. the white man who came out of the caves stole it (FACT) the goat hearding Arabs helped steal (FACT).. now dont go start quoting scriptures on me cause thats lame..truth is truth everyone ...2tru2 peace God~!
Nuwaupu999 2 years ago
CONTRARY TO tradition there rae historical and Biblical reasons why the New Covenant books were ALL written FIRST in Hebrew and not Greek.
The Gospel writers were JEWISH from ISRAEL whose Jewish citizens all spoke and wrote HEBREW. Synagogue services were conducted in HEBREW.
Roman Gov Pilate wrote the title against KING JESUS in HEBREW, LATIN AND GREEK.........
2TRUE2 2 years ago
You are correct regarding the Old Testament of Yeshuah. But the New Testament came to us in Greek, not Hebrew. Jesus in Greek is Isoos like in Russian. Pronounced Haysoos in Spanish. True the Quran Jesus (Isa) is a different Jesus but most Muslims understand it like in Greek.
apologiamixer 2 years ago
thanks for your comments
the New Covenant was originally written in HEBREW then translated into Greek and other languages
God bless
2TRUE2 2 years ago
There is no proof of it being written orginally in Hebrew. Zero manuscripts. Paul likely communicated to Jews in Hebrew but that was short lived when he went to Gentiles who would not have used Hebrew. Earliest NT manuscripts were in Greek and that is what the 2st century fathers (Justin, Polycarp, Ireneaus etc) used.
apologiamixer 2 years ago
In Arabic we say Issa and we know who we are talking about.
We do not take our religion from the Greeks like you.
faraweyn 2 years ago 3
isa is not arabic for king Jesus
WHAT DOES ISA MEAN IN ARABIC?
2TRUE2 2 years ago
'' ISA'' IS NOT '' YSHUA''
ISA is a fake
King Jesus is YSHUA ( Hebrew)
Arabic is King YSEWA not '' Isa''
2TRUE2 2 years ago
@faraweyn koran is a fraudulent pathetic book
1Waddup 1 year ago
@1Waddup LOL what an imbacile you really are. Have you watched Dr Zakir Naik vs Dr William Campbell on YT? Watch it and see the truth. PUT UP OR SHUT UP go on pal it's a challenge.
iftyshifty 8 months ago
@iftyshifty i dont nee to listen to sum lames, u got ur stories n twiste it from he bible, thats why the koran is a FRAU.
allah is SATAN, get over it.
if u have any sense u wont b following a chil molester 'prophet'
1Waddup 8 months ago
NO I SPELL IT '' MOSLEM '' BECAUSE '' MUSLIM '' IS ACTUALLY A SAMARITAN LOAN WORD , NOT ARABIC..... oK
2TRUE2 3 years ago
HAHA
Ash-Shifa, Allah, through Sharia, expresses a great disdain for the black people in this manner:
Ahmad ibn Abi Sulayman, the companion of Sahnun said, Anyone who says that the Prophet was black should be killed. (Ibn Musa al-Yahsubi, Qadi Iyad. Ash-Shifa. Tr. Aisha Abdarrahman Bewley. Medina Press, P.O. Box 5531, Inverness IV5 7YA, Scotland, UK, fifth print 2004, p.375)
2TRUE2 3 years ago
666 allah DECEIVED you
isa is not arabic
and isa has no meaning
moslem or muslims are not arabic word either
stop stealing words , concepts from other nations!
2TRUE2 3 years ago
whatever 2TRUE2... whats your problem that the arabic name of Jesus is Isa ? sorry but thats the arabic name of him and we cannot change it.
Jesus is not an hebrew word, its a latin word
almojtabah 3 years ago
Melech YSHUA -- HEBREW -------SAVIOR
KING JESUS ------ ENGLISH ---SAVIOR
Melek YESUWA-----PROPER ARABIC -- SAVIOR moslem fake----- isa -------NO MEANING
Allah '' THE BEST OF DECEIVERS'' Koran
2TRUE2 3 years ago
yesuwa is not an arabic word. and yeshua means "God" in hebrew. and God in arabic language is "Allah"
"yesuwa" from where did you invent this word ?
and king in arabic language is Malek, not melek.
ok anyway... first of all, jews dont talk about "savior king jesus" they dont believe God is Jesus or son of God... second, in arabic land, christians also dont talk about savior king, they say "al masseeh" (the christ) or "nabi Issa" (prophet Jesus)
real christians come from jerusalem ;)
almojtabah 3 years ago
why do you support jesus and are basing on judaism ? dont you know that romans liked jesus but jews told them to kill him ?
almojtabah 3 years ago
"dont you know that romans liked jesus but jews told them to kill him ?"
You really need to spend some time getting your facts straight about history. Yeshua was given the ROMAN method of crucifixion under ROMAN authority.
"romans liked jesus"
Based on what? Define "liked". What historical evidence do have that Romans circa 33 AD "liked jesus"?
An accurate representation is one of the Jewish Sanhedrin colluding with Roman authorites to crucify Yeshua.
YHWHisElohim 3 years ago
I meant Romans didnt liked the jews, and they support jesus. but jews told and put pression to romans for that they kill jesus. well, the jews are the responsible of the death of jesus, not the romans, because romans were democratic and they havent choice because the jews protested against jesus
you know what ? jesus wasnt crucified. God another who was similar to Jesus, and Jesus escape. they crucified the false Jesus. thats why some people saw Jesus after the cricification ! islam is logic.
almojtabah 3 years ago
and who say Yeshua is Jesus ? dont you know that Yeshua = God ? is Jesus was a God ? he was a great prophet send by God. he had mission to told you that you should worship God only. God gave him power of miracle for that he proove that you should worship God.
almojtabah 3 years ago
isa means jesus in arabic language
jesus means isa in latin language
isa is the real name because he come from palestine. if you go to jerusalem church, the catholics are not talking about "jesus" anymore. anyway... they speak arabic
almojtabah 3 years ago
"isa means jesus in arabic language
jesus means isa in latin language"
No, names have ACTUAL meanings. Please inform me what the name "Isa" MEANS in Arabic. And don't tell me "it means Jesus", that is like saying "John" means "Johan" or "Yochanan".
What does "Isa" mean in Arabic? All Arabic names have a clear meaning, while Isa has none.
YHWHisElohim 3 years ago
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besholem 3 years ago
I AM WHO I AM
Is this name in the koran?
if not why not?
Moses got it!
2TRUE2 3 years ago
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besholem 3 years ago
2TRUE2
1st, you say that the Quran is wrong for referring to Jesus as Isa; but what about referring to him as Jesus? The letter J is the last letter added to the alphabet, and simply did not exist until more than 1300 years after Jesus? Jesus' name in Hebrew was referred to as Esau or classically Yeheshua. You state hath the truth!
YHWH is the tetragrammaton. It is the name of God in Hebrew. There are no vowels in this Hebrew word, so it is not pronounced Yahweh.
hadid1ahke 3 years ago
''ESAU '' IS NOT HEBREW FOR '' YSHUA'
2TRUE2 3 years ago
2TRUE2
"Esau"(Hebrew); classical "Yeheshua" is taken from The Name of Jesus: Rebuttal by Quennel Gale. The article shows how the Arab Christians in the 2nd century referred to Jesus as Esau/Esus(savior). It is alleged that Jesus is referred to as ben Pantera/pandera in the Talmud. Many are ignorant to this information. It is also alleged that the Arab Jews refereed to him as Esau to depict the similitude with the brother of Jacob who was persecuted by Israel.
hadid1ahke 3 years ago
Its funny how you try to distinguish Jesus of the Bible and Jesus of the Quran they are both the same person The only difference is the Quran say Jesus spirit was taken before they tortured and crucified him reason being GOD ALLAH wont let his servants be humiliated by unbelieving men like yourself who put up barriers between yourselve.
EductionNotIgnorance 3 years ago
KING JESUS IS NOT '' ISA''
2TRUE2 3 years ago
we have left the crass racist comments from the moslems so that all can see just how crasss and racist they really are.
2TRUE2 3 years ago
Dumb Nigger.
Jaibajrang29 3 years ago
allah = satan = DECEIVER
KING JESUS = THE TRUTH
2TRUE2 3 years ago
Allah only means God in arabic language. well, you have insulted God !
almojtabah 3 years ago
THE REASON WHY there are so many LIES in the Koran is because Allah IS A LIAR - a DeceiveR---MAKRA 3.54, 8.30
2TRUE2 3 years ago
Ishmael was Isaac's half brother. Isaac had two sons: Essau and Jacob. "Isa" or "Esa" is more similar to "Essau" which was the son of Isaac which did not receive the blessing.
sbode53 3 years ago
This Guy is Black and stupid and don't know what the hell he is talking about he is really making an ass out of him self...
1angelsteardrop 3 years ago
what a holy man you are mr moslem
shucks is that the way to talk
guess so
2TRUE2 3 years ago
he is not muslim
almojtabah 3 years ago
I think you are dumb black ass, you can not translate names you dumbass stop making fool out of yourself.
Go learn some Hebrew, Aramic, Assyrian, and Arabic (eg. the languages that were popular in the old days then talk about the subject)
Dumb American like you doesn't know nothing about these languages and ONLY speaks English can't talk about this subject.
IslamPlanet 3 years ago
Yep. You are correct.
Yeshua in Hebrew
Eashoa in Aramaic
Yasua in Arabic
'Isa' is the Arabic version of the Hebrew name 'Esau'. The Muslim apologist Ahmed Deedat is a proponent of this theory, and it is linguistically sound.
Isa of the Quran is a created being who will come back and fight the Christians and Jews, and break the cross.
Yeshua of the Bible is uncreated, eternally existant, returning to rule on the throne of King David from Zion.
YHWHisElohim 3 years ago
"Isa of the Quran is a created being who will come back and fight the Christians and Jews, and break the cross."
Not related to subject.
besholem 3 years ago
""Isa of the Quran is a created being who will come back and fight the Christians and Jews, and break the cross."
Not related to subject. "
I don't really care if you think it's related to the subject or not. Anyone who knows the true Messiah would be able to see WHY this not only related but CENTRAL to the topic.
Messiah's second coming is what will fulfill the remaining prophecies about Him. They CONTRADICT what the Quran says Isa will do, hence Isa is not Yeshua.
YHWHisElohim 3 years ago
"Yeshua of the Bible is uncreated, eternally existant, returning to rule on the throne of King David from Zion."
Not related to the subject
besholem 3 years ago
""Yeshua of the Bible is uncreated, eternally existant, returning to rule on the throne of King David from Zion."
Not related to the subject "
It is related. The description of Messiah and prophecies about His return help us to know His nature and who He is. It's very simple.
YHWHisElohim 3 years ago
"It is related. The description of Messiah and prophecies about His return help us to know His nature and who He is. It's very simple."
Eeshua, Eeshue, Eeshui, Eeshuo, Eeshu Eesho , Aeshua Eissa ,Essa, Esa ,Eesa , Isa ,Eesha, Eesaa Yahoshua, Yahushua, Yehoshua, Yehushua,Esaw,Esai Yahwehshua, YHWHshua, Yasua, Yasu Yahawashi,Yahshua, Yeshuah, Yehshua, Yeshua, Y'shua, Yeshu, Eeshu, oshu , 'shu,....................... ETC.
It is very simple. One trueth namely the God's WORD.
besholem 3 years ago
Quite frankly, proper names should not be translated into other languages. But if you do, there are actually linguistic rules that need to be followed to ACCURATELY translate a name into another language. MOST of the names you listed violate these rules (and a number of them are very poor transliterations or linguistic impossibilities).
"It is very simple. One trueth namely the God's WORD."
Yes. The word of Yahuweh is the only truth. You might want to read it and learn about Messiah.
YHWHisElohim 3 years ago
"Yes. The word of Yahuweh is the only truth. You might want to read it and learn about Messiah."
Yes the word of Yahwa Elohim Ahod is the only truth and we all should learn about the Messiah.
besholem 3 years ago
"Yes the word of Yahwa Elohim Ahod is the only truth and we all should learn about the Messiah."
Perhaps the word you are looking for to describe Yahuweh is "Echad", because "Ahod" is a Hebrew name for a person meaning "union" (it comes from the same root word as 'echad', which means 'united/inseperable').
YHWHisElohim 3 years ago
"Perhaps the word you are looking for to describe Yahuweh is "Echad","
You are right Echad in Hebrew. In Arabic it is Ahad.
besholem 3 years ago
"Quite frankly, proper names should not be translated into other languages"
You are absolutely right. Allah(Alaha) is Allah in all languages, not God. And the Messiah is Eesho(Eesa), not Jesus.
besholem 3 years ago
"You are absolutely right. Allah(Alaha) is Allah in all languages, not God."
The Arabic equivalent of alaha is ilaha, not Allah.
Aramaic- alaha
Hebrew- eloah
Arabic- ilaha
Alaha is a general term for diety not a proper name. Syriac versions of the Tanach use it of pagan 'gods' like the Alaha of Egypt.
"And the Messiah is Eesho(Eesa), not Jesus"
'Eashoa/Eashua' are much better transliterations. As I've already stated you will NEVER find proof that Messiah had an Aramaic name.
YHWHisElohim 3 years ago
"The Arabic equivalent of alaha is ilaha, not Allah."
I 'm not knowledgeable in Aramaic language but I think we can even use Alaha as verb and it depend on how to pronounce it. I think the right Aramaic equivalent to ilaha is elo not AALAAHAA or ALOHO. SHQEER'E D ALAAHAA - - - - thanks to God. ALAAHAA MINAAKH (F) / MINOOKH (M) - - - - God be with you .
besholem 3 years ago
Sorry, but you are not correct in a linguist sense. ilaha is the Arabic equivalent of alaha. All you have to do is look at the Aramaic alphabet and the Arabic alphabet. Next, look at how 'alaha' is used in Biblical text. It is a general term for diety that is applied to pagan gods as well, not a name. Allah on the other is a NAME of a diety.
More proof is that alaha, ilaha, eloah, etc, all have one 'L' in there respective languages when properly transliterated to English.
YHWHisElohim 3 years ago
"You are absolutely right. Allah(Alaha) is Allah in all languages,"
'Allah' is never translated because it is a proper name (noun, masculine, singular). The Aramaic 'Alaha' on the other hand, is just a general term for diety. The two are not equivalent.
YHWHisElohim 3 years ago
Isa of the Quran is the God's WORD, the Messiah and one of God's most beloved prophets. He was neither God nor the son of God, but rather a human prophet, one of many prophets sent over history to guide mankind. He was born miraculously and was able to perform miracles by the will of God. He was neither killed nor crucified. He is alive in heaven and will return to the world in the flesh once the world has become filled with injustice.
This is also not related to the topic.
besholem 3 years ago
"Isa of the Quran is the God's WORD, the Messiah and one of God's most beloved prophets. He was neither God nor the son of God...."
Everything you said is perfect proof of why "Isa" is a false Messiah. His nature does not match the true Messiah, Yeshua.
"He was neither killed nor crucified"
More proof that Isa is NOT Messiah. The prophetic word of Isaiah specifically tells that Messiah will be killed, over 600 years BEFORE it happened.
YHWHisElohim 3 years ago
"Yep. You are correct."
"Yeshua in Hebrew"
"Eashoa in Aramaic"
"Yasua in Arabic"
Eesha, Eesho, Eeshoa, Eeshaw, Eashoa are the same name, Esa (Isa) in Arabic .The shin in Hebrew or Aramaic is sin in Arabic tongue. Like Shalom become Salam in Arabic. The names Yasua or Yeshua are totally unlike the Aramaic name.
besholem 3 years ago
"The names Yasua or Yeshua are totally unlike the Aramaic name."
His name in Aramaic would be spelled "yeh-sheen-waw-ein". The direct version of this in Hebrew is the name Yeshua. Furthermore, there is NO evidence the Messiah was given an Aramaic name.
"Isa" is the odd name out, especially since the Arabic name of Messiah is Yasua. This is even the preferred name Arabic Christians use.
Yeshua
Eashoa
Yasua
Messiah's name is a HEBREW name, and always was.
YHWHisElohim 3 years ago
"Messiah's name is a HEBREW name, and always was. "
The Messiah followers were called iessaei or Esaion before they were called Christians. Yeshua is the Hebrew translation of the aramaic Eesho or Eeshu.
besholem 3 years ago
"The Messiah followers were called iessaei or Esaion before they were called Christians. Yeshua is the Hebrew translation of the aramaic Eesho or Eeshu."
There is no evidence at all to back up EITHER of your claims. The Messiah's followers were first referred to as "Nazarenes", He lived in a culture where children were given Hebrew names picked right out of the Tanach, and His name means "salvation". All these things are documented. Your claims are not.
YHWHisElohim 3 years ago
"The Messiah's followers were first referred to as "Nazarenes","
True they were referred to as "Nazarenes", but some believers were called iessaei or Esaion before they were called Christians
besholem 3 years ago
"...but some believers were called iessaei or Esaion before they were called Christians"
'Iessaei' is the Latin form of the English word 'Essenes'. The Essenes were a separate movement that held no doctrine of Yeshua being the Messiah. Epiphanius mistakenly referenced them as a primitive group in the 2nd century, and Eusubius also identified them around 250 A.D., but correctly notes them as a "Jewish Sect". They were monastic Jews, mainly vegetarian, not 'early Christians'.
YHWHisElohim 3 years ago
" 'Iessaei' is the Latin form of the English word 'Essenes'. The Essenes were a separate movement that held no doctrine of Yeshua being the Messiah"
Epiphanius, Bishop of Salamis, writing in the second century, says: "They who believe on Christ were called Iessaei (or Essenes) before they were called Christians. These derived their constitution from the significance of the name Iesus (Jesus), which in Hebrew signifies the same as Therapeutae, that is, saviour or physician."
besholem 3 years ago
Epiphanius was just flat out wrong.
Thankfully, we have access to a wealth of information on the internet that allows us to find good sources and study history. The Essenes predated the ministry of Yeshua by many years. The Essenes were not the original name of the followers of Yeshua.
YHWHisElohim 3 years ago
"They were monastic Jews, mainly vegetarian, not 'early Christians'"
"All of these statements, which today are considered as the original teachings of Jesus, were borrowed from the ancient writings of the Essenes. There was one thing, however, which the Church failed to borrow. That was the observance of the seventh day, which was such a strict ritual with the Therapeutae, but which was not considered as a matter of great importance by the early Christians. "
besholem 3 years ago
"All of these statements, which today are considered as the original teachings of Jesus, were borrowed from the ancient writings of the Essenes"
This is not true at all. The only writing Yeshua quoted was the Tanach.
"There was one thing, however, which the Church failed to borrow. That was the observance of the seventh day"
Keeping Shabbat is part of the faith of Yeshua. Neither He nor I are responsible for unscriptural paganism that tries to do away with it.
YHWHisElohim 3 years ago
"...but which was not considered as a matter of great importance by the early Christians."
The followers of Yeshua AND the writers of the 'New Testament' kept Shabbat and the feasts of Israel.
You can make comments about "the Church" taking its ideas from the Essenes if you want, but it is unsabstantiated. The truth is, "the Church" was started by Abraham. I couldn't care less about the unscriptural paganism people follow. Gentiles are the "grafted in branch" of Israel through Yeshua.
YHWHisElohim 3 years ago
It would seem that you are no longer interested in discussing the liguistic origins of the name of Messiah, and the error the Quran makes in calling Him "Isa" when the Arabic version of His name is "Yasua". I don't blame you. It is an impossible position to defend.
YHWHisElohim 3 years ago
"It would seem that you are no longer interested in discussing the liguistic origins of the name of Messiah"
Ahmed Osman claims in his book Out of Egypt that the name "Essene" is to be translated as "follower of Jesus (Essa).Geza Vermes, a scholar and writer on religious history, traces the word to the Aramaic "Esaoin", meaning "followers of Esa". Vermes identifies this with Isa, an early name for Jesus .
besholem 3 years ago
"It would seem that you are no longer interested in discussing the liguistic origins of the name of Messiah"
Josephus and Philo pronounced the essenes name as "Esaoin", which means in Arabic followers of "Esa", which Vermes says is the name of Jesus according to the most ancient mosaic portrait found in Turkey dated 70 A.D. which says underneath "Esa our Lord".
besholem 3 years ago
"Josephus and Philo pronounced the essenes name as "Esaoin", which means in Arabic followers of "Esa""
This is nothing more than playing games with transliterations.
"portrait found in Turkey dated 70 A.D. which says underneath "Esa our Lord""
This is a VERY unusual claim since in 70 A.D. in Turkey the language spoken was Koine Greek and in extreme reaches Aramaic which uses a "shin". I would like to know what language these inscriptions were in and evaluate the transliteration used.
YHWHisElohim 3 years ago
"This is nothing more than playing games with transliterations."
I do not know if this statement comes from authoritative account or merely a "denial"
besholem 3 years ago
I don't know of a nicer way to put this, but your claims are actually laughable. It's not really your fault though, as you are just using really bad sources of information.
"traces the word to the Aramaic "Esaoin","
If it were Aramaic is would be "Esh" not "Es". The Aramaic letter is a 'shin'.
Further, it is factually IMPOSSIBLE for Essene to mean "follower of Esa". It is originally a Hebrew word and it predates Yeshua. Sorry, but what Mr Osman is claiming is not correct.
YHWHisElohim 3 years ago
"If it were Aramaic is would be "Esh" not "Es". The Aramaic letter is a 'shin'."
Esaoin (ESA-OIN) OIN means in Arabic and Arameic (S for plural). (Ἰησοῦς - ايسوس Isous ) Means savior or physician, so if you look for the meaning physician in the Aramaic language you will get ASAYYA (iessa).
besholem 3 years ago
"Esaoin (ESA-OIN) OIN means in Arabic and Arameic (S for plural)"
Western Aramaic used the letter 'shin'. Esaoin is linguistic impossibility for Western Aramaic. These 'S' sounds are not possible for your claim. They would be 'Sh' sounds. The fact that you have to contort and twist and turn down the most tortured long path to connect "Isa" with the true name of Messiah is clear evidence that you have an untennable position. The true names are a short journey:
Yeshua
Eashua
Yasua
YHWHisElohim 3 years ago
"They would be 'Sh' sounds"
"Geza Vermes, a scholar and writer on religious history, traces the word to the Aramaic "Esaoin", meaning "followers of Esa"."
What you think if he said "Eshaion" ?
besholem 3 years ago
"The true names are a short journey:Yeshua,
Eashua,Yasua"
Aramaic name for the Messiah is Eeshu(Eissa ) and translated to Greek as Isou (Ἰησου) or Isous(Ἰησοῦς) .The name was translated back to Hebrew as Yeshua (Yesua ) to have the same meaning as the Greek name. The letter Ayin at the beginning of Eeshu was placed at the end to turn it to Yeshua.
The true name is Eeshu(Eissa).
besholem 3 years ago
"Aramaic name for the Messiah is Eeshu(Eissa )"
"Eissa" is NOT Aramaic. It's not even Syriac.
The name of Messiah was a Hebrew name, Yeshua. You will never find ONE shred of proof that He was ever given an Aramaic name.
It's Yeshua in Hebrew, and Yasua in Arabic. Isa is an imposter who will return to fight the Jews and the Christians. Yeshua IS a Jew and will establish a 1,000 year reign sitting on His throne in Jerusalem.
YHWHisElohim 3 years ago
""Eissa" is NOT Aramaic. It's not even Syriac."
In my comment I used the parentheses for the Arabic version of the Aramaic name Eeshu(Eissa) and a for the Hebrew Name Yeshua (Yesua). You did not say that Yesua is not Hebrew name.
besholem 3 years ago
"It's Yeshua in Hebrew, and Yasua in Arabic. Isa is an imposter who will return to fight the Jews and the Christians."
I have full respect for the name Yeshua (Yasua), because it is possible that the names Isous in Greek or Latin , Eeshu in Aramaic, Yeshua in Hebrew and Yesu / Eissa in Arabic are all mean the savior and referring to the Messiah. I was not there 2000 years ago.
besholem 3 years ago
"It's Yeshua in Hebrew, and Yasua in Arabic. Isa is an imposter who will return to fight the Jews and the Christians."
Please see the Islamic view of the return of Jesus (pbuh)
watch?v=3bgFwWDpH-c
Shalom
besholem 3 years ago
"and translated to Greek as Isou (Ἰησου) or Isous(Ἰησοῦς)"
No wonder you are so confused. You have some serious transliteration problems. The Koine word is "Iesous" and it was translated from His original name Yeshua.
YHWHisElohim 3 years ago
"No wonder you are so confused. You have some serious transliteration problems. The Koine word is "Iesous" and it was translated from His original name Yeshua."
Show what each Greek letter stand for to see if it Isous or Iesous and spell Eesho and Eissa in the ancient Greek and then to Latin.
besholem 3 years ago
I will come back and show you how the name 'Yeshua' was tranlated into 'Iesous' in the Greek when I have the time to address it properly (I don't have Hebrew or Greek fonts where I am at right now, I am away from home for several days). And I will do the same for the Aramaic, showing you how it was translated from His Hebrew name and what the Greek equivalent of the Aramaic is, IF I can find Aramaic fonts somewhere (I don't have those at all).
YHWHisElohim 3 years ago
"If it were Aramaic is would be "Esh" not "Es". The Aramaic letter is a 'shin'."
See my first comment on this Vidio. I think ancient Aramaic language is slight difference
that the late one.
besholem 3 years ago
"I think ancient Aramaic language is slight difference
that the late one."
This is true, and Western Aramaic (the language some claim Yeshua spoke) uses the letter "shin".
YHWHisElohim 3 years ago
"Further, it is factually IMPOSSIBLE for Essene to mean "follower of Esa"."
The floor is yours, tell us what Essene means and who are your Scholars who said it is IMPOSSIBLE to pronounced the essenes name as "Esaoin" and to mean "follower of Esa".
besholem 3 years ago
"The floor is yours, tell us what Essene means and who are your Scholars who said it is IMPOSSIBLE to pronounced the essenes name as "Esaoin" and to mean "follower of Esa"."
First of all, I doubt any "scholar" will make the direct statement "Essene does not mean follower of Esa" because such a claim is a complete historical absurdity.
I will be happy to tell you who the Essenes were, and your other requests when I have the time to do it properly.
YHWHisElohim 3 years ago
ARABIC for YSHUA (Hebrew) IS YESUWA NOT ISA
YSHUA AND YESUWA = GOD THE SAVIOR
what does '' ISA'' mean ?
Jews in Ad 30 , Israel SPOKE HEBREW
2TRUE2 3 years ago
"Jews in Ad 30 , Israel SPOKE HEBREW"
Eissa (Eeshu) was speaking Aramaic and his name was Aramaic. Read the latest comment and you will Know the meaning of Isa and the origin of YSHUA.
besholem 3 years ago
KING YSHUA SPOKE PURE HEBREW not aramiac
HEBREW WAS THE COMMON LANGUAGE OF ISRAEL
2TRUE2 3 years ago
"HEBREW WAS THE COMMON LANGUAGE OF ISRAEL"
Exactly! He was a trained Rabbi, and it is recorded that He read from the Tanach (which was written in Hebrew) and He quoted it frequently. NO ONE could ever be a scholar of Hebrew scriptures in the first century without being FLUENT in Hebrew.
YHWHisElohim 3 years ago
"He was a trained Rabbi, and it is recorded that He read from the Tanach (which was written in Hebrew) and He quoted it frequently"
You are right the Messiah was speaking Hebrew fluently, but his name and native language were both Aramaic. Also some sources reported that he was speaking Greek too.
besholem 3 years ago
"You are right the Messiah was speaking Hebrew fluently, but his name and native language were both Aramaic. Also some sources reported that he was speaking Greek too."
Therein lies the problem. You cannot prove He was given an Aramaic name. For His parents to have given Him an Aramaic would be contrary to 1st century Jewish custom, especially in a family where He was sent into training in the Scriptures at a young age. The 1st century Judeans gave their children Hebrew names.
YHWHisElohim 3 years ago
he was not hebrew, he was aramaic.
almojtabah 3 years ago
"he was not hebrew, he was aramaic."
No, He is Hebrew. In fact, He is a Jew (from the tribe of Yehuda) of the line of King David. Aramaic was a LANGUAGE spoken in the region.
What you are saying would be the same as claiming all Americans are English, because they speak the English language. You are speaking pure nonsense. Language is not a predictor of ethnicity.
YHWHisElohim 3 years ago
almojtabah
you and YHWHisElohim are both saying the same thing. Jesus was a Hebrew Israelite from the tribe of Judah. Aramaic was probably his main language followed by Hebrew.
Although the majority of the new testament is based on Greek manuscripts, it is unlikely that Jesus spoke Greek.
hadid1ahke 3 years ago
almojtabah
Aramaic is a language that Jesus spoke in the bible. He also spoke Hebrew. In the Aramaic language, the word for God is Alaha!
hadid1ahke 3 years ago
KING JESUS THE JEW ( MESSIAH) OF ISRAEL SPOKE HEBREW
( and ALL earth languages-- HE IS ALIVE !)
JEWS SPOKE HEBREW IN ISRAEL IN AD 30
2TRUE2 3 years ago
no he was aramaic, not hebrew. maybe his mother was jew, but she change idea. I am muslim and if I want, I can become christian. religion is not a race.
and Jesus was a prophet, send by God. whatever what language he spoke, that doesnt make him a jew.
and then bet lahem (house of meat) was an arabic city ,not hebrew. bet lahem are two arabic words
anyway you know what? all the universe is for God, not only israel. are you an israeli ? no well jews will not consider you as their brother
almojtabah 3 years ago
"KING YSHUA SPOKE PURE HEBREW not aramiac"
You mean ELOI, ELOI, LEMA SABACHTHANI is Hebrew!!
besholem 3 years ago
READ PSALM 24 v1-3
2TRUE2 3 years ago
Psalms 22v.2 אֵלִי אֵלִי, לָמָה עֲזַבְתָּנִיEli Eli Lima Azabtani(עֲזַבְתָּנִי , Hebrew word).Lima shabachtani not lima Azabtani. Prove that shabachthani(sabachtani) is Hebrew word.
besholem 3 years ago
"Eissa (Eeshu) was speaking Aramaic and his name was Aramaic."
That is not true. He has a Hebrew name. Better yet you keep coming up with new transliterations and spellings as you go along. All of the sudden it is "Eissa"? You are grasping at straws trying to make the words you type in English look as similar as you can to Messiah's real name. Give it a rest already.
YHWHisElohim 3 years ago
"Better yet you keep coming up with new transliterations and spellings as you go along. All of the sudden it is "Eissa""
The spelling of Eissa may take many forms -- Isa, Esa, Essa, and Eissa. The Arabic language is written in Arabic characters, thus any transliteration system tries to reproduce the phonetic sound. There are four letters in the Arabic Name عيسى (Ayin—Ya—Sin—Alef). I'm interested to see your spelling version.
besholem 3 years ago
His name is Isho
besholem 3 years ago
SO what does '' ISHO'' mean? what language?
2TRUE2 3 years ago
The name is Aramaic not Arabic and I think it mean The Holy the Pure, The one who cure.
besholem 3 years ago
''isa '' is not Arabic for YSHUA-JESUS
'ISA '' is A FAKE name with NO MEANING IN ARABIC!!!!
Proper Arabic for Jesus is YESUWA like YSHUA IN HEBREW--- MEANING AYHWEH SAVIOR OR GOD SAVIOR....
2TRUE2 3 years ago
islam is the religion of terror, catholicism and all her daughters (protestants, etc) is the religion of terror,
Christianity is the only religion of peace.
xenzuva 3 years ago
mohammad was a catholic, died a catholic, can't hide!
xenzuva 3 years ago
yeshoua means God in the hebrew
and Isa means jesus in arabic !
whats the problem with that ?
jesus = issa
moses = moussa
jacob = yacoub
joseph = youssef
mary = mariam
do you know that islam is the most religion semblable to judaism ?
almujtabah 3 years ago
yeshoua doesn't mean god in Hebrew. You don't even know Hebrew so why are you just saying this or that? to sound smart?
YAH- that is the name of the Hebrew Creator
shuah means salvation; hovah means eternal-
these are attributes to the Creator
xenzuva 3 years ago
yeshoua means God in the hebrew
and Isa means jesus in arabic !
whats the problem with that ?
OK PROBLEMS FOR U
1. YESHOUA DOES NOT MEAN GOD IN HEBREW
2. ISSA DOES NOT MEAN JESUS IN ARABIC
2TRUE2 3 years ago
matt 1
you shall call His NAME Y'SHUA for He will save His people from their Sins." ..all this done that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying: "Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Emmanuel," which is translated, "God with us."
2TRUE2 4 years ago
Not every young woman is virgin, not every el is God. Priests and Prophets were called Els, gods and sons of God in the old testament (even the devil was called god). You are reading eastern books and playing fast and loose with the meaning.
besholem 3 years ago
Bible Matt 1:1 The Book of the genealogy of Y'SHUA MESSIAH the Son of David,
But while (Joseph) thought about these things, behold, an ANGEL of YAHWEH appeared saying, "Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His NAME Y'SHUA for He will save His people from their Sins.
2TRUE2 4 years ago
Bro i think you are Old enough to understand that no man/woman can take the sins of the hole World except Allah (God).
Isa (Yshua) was a Great man (peace be up on him)
but every Single Human on this Earth is responsible for his Sins.
You cant take my Sins and i cant take your Sins.
If u kill one, so you will earn the sin and not me.
hhdr3ams 4 years ago
Isa is the Islam false prophet and he is not Yeshua.
goodman2092 3 years ago
Bro please check this out.
watch?v=UvCLlNdS-a8
after you watched this please take ya time and listen to
watch?v=h5gJ4e0bV1o
Watch,Listen & Learn.
Thank you bro.
Salam Aleykum
hhdr3ams 4 years ago
"The Book of the genealogy of Y'SHUA MESSIAH the Son of David,"
Jesus has no father. He is the Messiah but he id not the son of David.Youknow what dose it mean when you try to make Joseph his father.
besholem 3 years ago
Hi besholem. We keep meeting up on these vids :-). I will try to help make something more clear for you:
"Jesus has no father. He is the Messiah but he id not the son of David.Youknow what dose it mean when you try to make Joseph his father."
In Hebraic culture if a man is married to your mother he is properly called your 'father' even if not by genetics.
"The Book of the genealogy of Y'SHUA MESSIAH the Son of David,"
Miriam the mother of Yeshua was also a decendant of David.
YHWHisElohim 3 years ago
besholem- "He is the Messiah but he id not the son of David"
The prophesies about Messiah in the Tenach are VERY clear. The Messiah MUST be from the line of King David
If you argue He is not a descendant of David when the Quran says He is Messiah, you are disproving Yeshua is Messiah and disproving the Quran
I assume you don't know about many of these prophesies about Messiah so I thought I would let you know, saying He is not from the House of David is calling your Quran wrong. Careful
YHWHisElohim 3 years ago
"I assume you don't know about many of these prophesies about Messiah so I thought I would let you know, saying He is not from the House of David is calling your Quran wrong. Careful "
The Quran is clear that the Messiah is God's WORD. I wish you best of luck if you are going to use the Jewish scriptures to prove that Jesus is the Messiah.
besholem 3 years ago
"The Quran is clear that the Messiah is God's WORD. I wish you best of luck if you are going to use the Jewish scriptures to prove that Jesus is the Messiah."
The ACTUAL proof is in the Tenach. All you have in the Quran is a blind statement about 'Isa' with no proof. The Hebrew Scriptures actually have HUNDREDS of prophecies Yeshua fulfilled. This is REAL proof.
The fact is, the very idea of "Messiah" comes solely from the Tenach. The Quran gets the idea from there.
YHWHisElohim 3 years ago
to 2TRUE2
how many variation of names can u find from the prophet noah?? are the meanings in chinese, hawaiian, japanese, africa, europe about noah the same? i dont think so.. reply me..
god bless u..
salam..
izatkhairizat 4 years ago
i hope u will be a muslim my black brother.
think about it.
we muslims helped the black mans&womans.
not like the christians which used u as slave.
masalam
hhdr3ams 4 years ago
SORRY but as a Christian I AM A FREE MAN, AN AMBASSADOR, A SAINT, A SAVED MAN FROM SINS , BELOVED BY GOD
so why should i be a muslim?, a slave of allah
2TRUE2 4 years ago
Salam my black brother.
You should be a muslim cuz is the true Religion.
I dont say that your religion is false but alot in ur Holy Bible changed. They write it 1000 times new.
I hope you know that alot black ppls before 1000 years was Muslim.
Americans and UKs shipped them to America and to the others Countrys and gave them new Names like James.
Please take ya time and watch this watch?v=Hhazm0UdlTc or this
watch?v=gQnfOWhuras
Watch and Listen carfull what he says.
See ya soon
hhdr3ams 4 years ago
Jesus is the way, the truth and the life..Mohammed never said this so there is no reason to follow him...Besides Jesus showed his love for everyone by dying on the cross and muhammed never did this...Jesus was sinless nad Jesus is alive!!
Zibu002 4 years ago
I hope you know that Jesus name wasnt Jesus you guys make J walking on alot of names.
Btw Jesus was a Arab.
Think about it.
And one man cant take all the sins for all humans, every human will be judged for his sins.
If you kill one guy will your vather earn the sins?
Sry 4 my bad english but i hope you understand me.
hhdr3ams 4 years ago
Jesus wasn't an ordinary man..He was the son of God..In other ways God..He could perfom miracles like raisin people from the dead, healin the blind and sick....
Zibu002 4 years ago
His name wasnt Jesus!
I know which miracles he has done...
btw he never said that he was God.
Read your Bibel and show me where he says that.
hhdr3ams 4 years ago
When God describes Jesus he says in hebrews 1v8"But to the son he says Your throne oh God is forever and ever A scepter of Righteousness is the scepter of your Kingdom"
Zibu002 4 years ago
2true2
you are not free..accept the Jesus or you will burn - that's blackmail!
Your exaggarated conclusions is absurd
Implicity boasting you are a Christian,does not make a you Christian. In reality you amount to nothing by associating yourself with it's God you boost your self esteem. You can only hope to be a Christian by good deeds. In reality we can never actually be, we can only pray and hope to be...
aRROGANTpRESUMTION 4 years ago
hhdr3ams
You don't want me to even get started on the muslim slave trade. But I will, since muslims like to bring that topic up.
Arab muslim slave trade started at about 700 and really did not end until 1925. - and in Sudan it still goes on.
The European slave trade started about 1400 and ended sometime around 1600.
StoneThatRolls 4 years ago
hhdr3ams
I find it interesting that muslims want to erase their history in the slave trade. The Europeans will admit what had happened was wrong. You will not find many muslims who will admit that muslims were some of the biggest offenders of the slave trade. They don't teach that in schools, because no one wants to offend the muslims now do they ?
StoneThatRolls 4 years ago
mate,
this guys which called his self MUSLIMS and doe slave trade ARENT MUSLIMS.
This is not the ISLAM.
Think about it.
hhdr3ams 4 years ago
hhdr3ams
The exact same thing can be said about Christianity. Those who were involved in the slave trade weren't true Christians. Jesus never had slaves and he never condoned it in any way or means.
Rome and the area Jesus had lived at that time was very multicultural. It could have been Jesus was of any nationality. It could also be Jesus disciples were of multi nationalities.
StoneThatRolls 4 years ago
hhdr3ams
Regardless of what nationality Jesus was.... ? The reason Jesus was born and lived in that area of the world, is because it was a trouble spot. - and still is ??
If he would have been born anywhere else in the world, perhaps it would have become more of a race issue. As it stands, no one really knows for sure what nationality Jesus was. And that really doesn't matter anyway.
StoneThatRolls 4 years ago
how often i need to write that jesus name wasnt jesus, he never heard this name.
i hope you know that jesus wasnt a european,american,german,pakistani,chinese or something like that.
nobody called his son before 2000 years Jesus.
check please my profil and see what a Christian guy writes there "Stinking Niger" you will never hear this from a muslim.
hhdr3ams 4 years ago
please bro take ya time and listen this, is very important for you and for me
v=HDpcwuCaL8k
after you watched this, comment here and tell me what u learned.
thank you
hhdr3ams 4 years ago
I watched the video you sent me. All of it from start to end.
What did I think of it ?
I Thank God that I am a Christian ! A follower of Jesus.
That video showed me what the problem is with islam. Islam doesn't believe in God. I'll explain... God the Creator of all things ! God the all knowing all seeing. God of life and death. I could go on and on, but I think you know those things. Right ?
StoneThatRolls 4 years ago
So here is the problem with islam... Why does it seem such a miracle to muslims that God created Jesus from a virgin women ? All God has to do is say so, and it is done. God is all powerful ! If you don't believe God could do a simple task like that, then you really don't believe in God.
God raised Jesus from the dead. What is that a problem for God ? No ! God can do anything ! If you don't believe he can, then you don't believe in God ?
StoneThatRolls 4 years ago
Sry bro but i dont understand that, what are u writing here...
We Muslims belive in ALLAH (GOD).
We also belive that Jesus (Isa) done alot of Miracles and that he was borned from his mother which was a Virgin.
I dont think that you watched the movie from the beginning to the end cuz then u would understand that Jesus name wasnt Jesus and that we are believing in ALLAH (God).
hhdr3ams 4 years ago
hhdr3ams
I did watch the whole video. Its a long video. There are so many points I could dispute about it, I don't even know where to start.
One point I would like to make about what Ahmed Deedat was talking about in the video is trinity. There is no such thing as trinity. I really don't know who started this whole trinity thing, but it is wrong. It is what is confusing Christians and Muslims.
StoneThatRolls 4 years ago
There is God and his Son, and the Holy Spirit. Three people.
There are also Gods angels. There is also the devil and his angels.
Most people will agree that there is God and there is the devil. Two people.
God can't be God and the devil. God is one person. The devil is another.
It is easy to believe they are two different people. Yes !
So why is it so hard for people to believe God has a Son ? God has said he has a Son, so why don't people believe him ?
StoneThatRolls 4 years ago
I'm not making those points just to Muslims. I'm making those points to Christians that believe this wacked out theory called trinity. The trinity theory is wrong. It is confusing Christians and Muslims, It is a little wonder that Muslims think Christians are off track when they hear this trinity theory.
StoneThatRolls 4 years ago
ok but who is god now?
jesus or who ?
tell me it please.
thanx
hhdr3ams 4 years ago
hhdr3ams
God is "God" the Father of all things, from the beginning of time to the end of time. God's Son Christ , Jesus, Yshua, (or whatever name might be translated as the Son of God) is with his Father in Heaven. Jesus is not his Father. Jesus never said he created all things. Jesus (Son of God) is the Savior of mankind and therefore Lord over all. God is still "God". And Jesus is "Lord" over mankind.
StoneThatRolls 4 years ago
i dont no in which book u belive.
can you tell me it please ?
hhdr3ams 4 years ago