I'm a U.S. Marine and this sucks. I can't imagine what the guys on the ground feel like or the pilots. I feel bad for the pilots only because they thought they were killing bad guys and found out they were killing friendlies and no shit got sick to their stomachs when they found out who they just lit up....man this sucks all around. God bless the UK and everything they do. Rest in peace brothers....
@SubZero1703 You're a friggin moron kiddo! It does make me happy that we just killed some if your gay troops! We need to kill em' all now! It won't take us long! USAF training is the best AF training in the world, moron! You don't know shit about the US military!
@DeMoNMiNdLS Your a total TWAT if you think that the US is better traind than the UK Forces...I worked with the US Army in the 80's, and they could not keep up with us on runs, marches and on the firing ranges. A US Soldier does 12 weeks training.....A British Soldier does 20 Weeks, so YES the British Troops are better trained than the Americans.
maybe if those brits turned had radiod the pilots back and turned on their fucking lights 3 people would be feeling a lot better, and 1 would still be here rest his soul... and if were such a fucking liability then why did the brits basically pull the united states into world war 2, sure it needed to be done, but don't call us a liability if were such a huge ally and vise versa. WHO KILLED OSAMA?
@xWhocaresxX they pop'ed their smoke you fucking idoit, who ever was feeding the pilot the intel is the one at fault not the guys who were risking their lives.
@oncrack1 they popped their smoke after the 2nd wave of fire you fucking idiot its a bad accident and I'm sick and tired of everyone thinking that the united states military just decides to randomly open fire on their allies on purpose... i feel horrible for the soldiers and their families, but it was an accident.
@oncrack1 because technically it was, they were in hostile territory, no friendly signals on them, and from 10000 feet all they see are dots with trucks and guns... the pilots even attempted to radio contact them... its a horrible situation.
@xWhocaresxX or maybe if the american ground control had done their job AT ALL or when the pilot stated that the vehicles had the orange markers on them this could have been avoided. feel sorry for the pilot because he kept asking for conformation of no friendlies but poor communication and ignoring the orange markers left 1 dead and more wounded in a blue on blue. shockingly poor fuckin skills
@qwerty00101 they did do their job... orange lights docent signify anything friendly or foe. and why are you being all fucking sarcastic?? see this is why i can't tolerate this shit... not trying to sound stereotypical but brits do have a bad rep where if some bad accident or in this case stupidity, is kicked in EVERY patriotic brit docent even think about all the shit their number 1 Ally has done with them for them or all the shit they've been through....
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@SubZero1703 I hate when you dumb fucks call us "yanks" im not a yank, im from the south so get it right ! thats like if we called you british (irish) there is a big difference !
To our Brittish Brothers in Arms from many many American Soldiers we are so sorry for your loss and you have our heartfelt sadness and sorrow. Please know and take to heart the sorrow expressed in this video, these men were clearly and for the rest of their lives devastated by this Blue on Blue engagement. This was NOT DELIBERATE and we are filled with Sorrow over your loss. Peace.
As a Brit... i can't see why there is any debate on this film... the Pilot clearly felt bad after he realised what had happened.... It wasn't his fault that this situation occured... but the guys in the plane still felt bad about it. To the point they were feeling ill.
I noticed that wen he realised that he had killed someone his first thoughts were for himself saying he was going to jail. Not im so sorry. How are the family going to cope. Bad things happen in war but he did just think of himself im afraid.
This whole thing was obviously a fuck up guys. If anyone had bothered to watch part 1, they'd know that the FO and Pilots were talking about different targets. Furthermore, they were informed that there were NO FRIENDLIES in the area.
...it was hushed up. How the pilots weren't allowed to give evidence or even named. If it were the pilot's total personal fault, the USAF would've been quick to eat them alive. Hushing everything up, however, is to me, an admission of guilt on behalf of the top brass of the USAF. They knew that there were gaps that training couldn't account for, and so they knew that any hearing would most likely return a verdict of negligence on their part. That is my theory, anyway.
Too much going on. Too much going on and nobody can cope with it. There were a lot of jets in the air - several F18s, Lightenings and A10s. The forward air controller has too much to deal with. Also, as is always the case, these pilots - and in fact all of the USAF involved here - have brilliant equipment, but insufficient training. As a result, its all like "they dont look friendly" and a mentality of "we aren't sure, but we'll just shoot anyway." What annoys me even more though is how...
Even though a lot of it was his fault, there was no information that British gave to the Americans till after the shot. If they see a jet fly over they must inform to tell who it is. So its also the British faultfor not informing. If they told the us that it was British ships than all this wouldnt happen.
@distantkilljoy Actually its also the British fault. B/c if you noticed that the pilot told the Costa something that they were aborting mission. The British job is to inform that their there. If they saw Navy pilots, than they have to locate any Navy carriers or so that is close by and and to inform that they are friendlies, but what happen, the British had to wait till we fired on them, so they can blame us. Ya ok ya blame us and not take 10% of the blame. Is that how all British people are?
@distantkilljoy Dude ur retarded. It doesnt matter if it is Canadians, Norwegians. Or Iran!!! Everybody has to inform who is who b/c you dont want to know friendly fire to happen. If Iran is close to North Korea, if North Koreans see and Iran jet fighter, they inform them that who they are. Its not freaking rocket science retard. And plus y'all Brits always find ways to make us look bad. Freakin' Brits
@distantkilljoy Holy shit you're actually trying to pass of blame to us Brits? Let me sum up what you're saying:
Basically everyone has to announce themselves to the yanks otherwise they get shot. So its not up to the yanks to bother getting intel no? Get fucked and take responsibility for your actions.
One killed and three wounded, it could of been alot worse. Still, I don't think it's approapriate conduct for America to decline the extradition of the soldiers in question.
it was an accident that shouldnt have happened it was know ones fault. the uk and the americans fight side by side in afghanistan...it could have been americans killed by brits... it is sad that mistakes like this happen but new measures are being taken to prevent things like this
The pilots go tbad intel if you listen to all traffic. It's very sad what happened here, but blue on blue has been happening for centuries, and britian isnt inocent of it either, all boils down to bad intel on all sides
@YouFucknFail - lol yeah it was the British soldiers' fault for being on the ground, fighting a war in a killbox which the Americans knew had friendly Armour in it. Retard. It was the pilots fault you dim-witted twat, for not reporting their position correctly, thus not knowing what kill box they were in & ignoring the fact that all coalition forces had orange panels (sorry rockets lol) ON THEIR VEHICLES AS IDENTIFICATION. The Americans went off, fucked up and spammed friendly forces. Typical.
@YouFucknFail - your mum doesn't remember the name of the inbred who released into her every whole before accidentally letting you slip, but it's still an utterly American tradgedy.
@YouFucknFail Drop Dead you fat, pathetic inbred cunt!
show some respect you arsehole or we may 'accidently' say your house looks very similar to a Taliban stronghold and drop some of our big arse bombs down.
@mongohotline Please ignore that idiot you are talking too. He does not speak for Americans. Hes a 12 year old little shit. Regardless, its not the pilots fault. Its the fault of the JTAC operators who called the pilots in.
@GamingMusicVideos1 - sorry I should have realised I was being trolled by that fgt and ignored rather than gone off on my own patriotic BS speech. Regardless, I & the vast majority of people who can work out how to turn on a PC realise his isn't the opinion of Americans as a whole. As to whose fault it is, the pilots can't be entirely uninvolved given they ignored the orange coalition paneling, but I accept it wasn't their fault exclusively, and that friendly fire is close to inevitable in war.
@YouFucknFail You are a twat, your a fat american slob, who sits around bosting about how bloody powerful your contry is, and you dont care about anyone, but your self. Get of your lazy ass and go to Afghanistan and ill shoot you with my jet and see how you bloody well like it. FUCK YOU
@YouFucknFail Have some respect. Our brave British soldiers were fighting for you. How would you like it if the British Empire started again. I hope you burn in hell.
It was a fucking accident. Accidents happen. It's easy to say you wouldn't of fired when you're sitting behing a cpmputer screen. They didn't go up there intending to kill friendlies. They received shitty intel. Not their fault.
"We're in jail dude"? Firstly, I wouldn't trust a combat pilot with such responsibility who talks like a common beach bum. Secondly, he should realise from the same "accident" in Gulf War I that they needn't worry, because American lives seem to be more important to the US government than British lives. In other words they're protected from prosecution by the Pentagon, which wouldn't be the same if our Tornado pilots were stupid enough to do the same to Americans.
@Bubo25 Yes, this is exactly point of "origin" "We're in jail dude" , how nobody mention "Jesus, i kill innocent guy" because he do not have that first impression that just second a go he killed innocent man, and that is something which is common for the pilots, they don't see "result of they works" for them that is just some distance blur of dust and dirt....
Pilot incompetence. A-10s are designed specifically for nap of the earth attacks, but I've yet to see them being used that way in combat. Like this one, I've only ever seen them flying at high altitude in combat. Attack aircraft pilots are supposedly trained to identify friend from foe. If he was flying at the right height he would've had better chance of identifying them properly. And only Allied vehicles had those markings, not the enemy. Fly low enough & proper training would've shown that.
@Bubo25 Unfortunately in this day of AA guns and missiles, nap of the earth is more hazardous. If they thought they saw "orange missiles", that is the last thing they want to do is get within their range, i.e. drop altitude. They attempted to ID them numerous times through combat control. Lack of coordination efforts between two forces is the issue.
@weasel103 Our Tornado pilots are doing nap of the earth flying all the time. Yes, even in real life combat. And if nap of the earth flying is too hazardous for the USAF, then the A10's quite an ill conceived aircraft because that's what it was designed for. As for your comment about AAA and SAMs, that's the whole point of nap of the earth, because then you fly under their beams. Even in terrain such as deserts ground radar can't pick up aircraft flying under a certain height.
@Bubo25 Well, you've got my respect for that. Either way, our pilots don't need me to defend their reputations or how they operate, so I'll just leave you with your opinions. Btw, I agree that there was a piss-poor response from our Govt. Our soldiers and pilots value our allies, even if the policymakers don't.
@weasel103 Check "nap of the earth" out on Wiki. The A10 was designed to be slow & rugged just for this reason, to enable it to survive this very mission, not to be up there in the clouds where, ironically, it makes a much better target for advanced air defence radars. So, not only were those pilots putting our troops at risk, but they were unwittingly putting their own lives at risk too, because there's no more a juicy target for a SAM or AAA than a high flying, low speed & unstealthy A10.
I'm wondering about the people who defend the pilots. They were clearly trigger-happy. Even after the first attack they were not sure, if these were hostiles.
@megawutt Americans defending their own. If we were in that position (which we wouldn't because our Tornadoes are flown as they should be), then we wouldn't have attacked until we knew for sure that they were enemy vehicles, not just guess, pull the trigger & hope for the best. Those are the actions of a cowboy who's watched Top Gun once too often. We, on the other hand, are much more used to thinking with that organ between our ears rather than the one between our legs.
i'm from uk and sheesh, feel sorry for the pilots as it was shit communication for them. 100% not there fault and the poeple who gave them the mission shud be fucked for not telling them in the 1st place there were friendly's in the area.
@cherubottom trust me i doubt this was going to be their first kill...and what happens if the enemy has the orange markers?...when u call it in and they say you are good to go you go....
They did not get an attack order tho. They acted independently. Secondly they seem a bit more worried about themselves and jail instead of the guys on the ground.
Tho, things like this do happen in war. Blame can be thrown etc. It is hell having different armies etc doing attacks, communication is tough. And when fresh guys in a battle gets triggered, things like this happens sadly.
I feel very sorry for the Pilots here, at the end a bloke is almost crying. The only people to blame here are the men back at the controls. When jets are saying they see possible friendly several times and are told to engage it's not there fault.
Yeah, it is funny how people from countries who fight for the same cause, start hating on each other on youtube. THIS is why are you are a bunch of losers and not the soldiers. If armies would act like you do toward each other, there would be a world war right now. Grow up.
@Hperman09 and @Doodewarrior errr I'm sorry but it seems at the end if the day it was YOU that killed OUR soldiers. I have to agree with manchesterfellow with everything that's been said and wasn't it the AMERICANS that started this bloody war in the first place?
And wasn't it the Americans that asked the British for help?
And I was born and lived in afghanistan when I was a kid and wasn't the Taliban only created because the American government asked the Pakistani government to make the Tal
@wank0r No. Dont feel bad for the pilots. They misidentified. An RAF pilot wouldn't attack until 100% sure that that target is an enemy, its down to the Gung Ho attitude of USAF, they are renowned for bad training and uneducated second guessing. Hope they get life.
@SAbre5311 So, what exactly happens to guys like this? Do they get discharged? Do they get forgiven? I mean I know it's obviously a mistake but you know, saying sorry doesn't bring back a man.
They got no punishments whatsoever. They were recommended for disciplinary or administrative punishments by the US investigation, but Higher United States Department of Defense officials cleared them from everything.
It's kinda sad to see people on YT argue like this seeing both of our countries are fighting for the same cause. I'm not some sort of peace maker but think before you comment, some guy died because of this mistake. Stop arguing about your cultural differences.
A tragic situation but I quote a German soldier in Normandy, "When German planes appear,no one ducks (there aren't any), When British planes appear, we duck, when American planes appear...EVERYBODY ducks".
Just a quote, but shit happens, c'est la guerre...so don't take it too personally...and get on with it. "If you can't take a joke, don't sign up" (old British Army saying)
I've had a interesting chat with some guys that came back from Afghanistan , when ever they call in an air strike they pull out a massive union flag and place it behind their line so the aircraft can see who is where from above . They did this as the pilots were getting to close for comfort . TAC often don't have the best data unless they are flying directly over head (like you'd want to do that)
So the troops thought up a better way than orange stripes
@edmundscycles its very difficult to see anything on the ground in any detail when you are in an aircraft. even at low altitudes the detail is often very obscured. much of the time everything on the ground is just a blur. every inch of visual view is a mile of land
Don't blame the pilots, blame the shitty intel and communication relay from field to aircraft. Least with CAS missions the TAC has direct link with the aircraft above, and yes friendly fire does occur still due to other ground units engaging friendlies in their AO. But the pilots nearly always check up afterwards and apologise, even though they don't really need to as they are engaging a (legitimate) designated target that they can't really see from altitude (apart from on a 4" MFD).
@cousto85 Well i heard something about the TAC loosing communication with the pilots as they switched channel..
Im not blaming anyone for this..accept for the intel giving to the pilots once they reached their AO. If it was a cas mission we should have heard the Forward air controller over the radio giving directions...but we didnt...this is just one mistake building up after another..you cant blame anyone in the AO...but intel about the AO was shit
@cousto85 The worst thing about this incident was that the US government lied to Britain (their allie) and to the deads family back home in Britain. US government told them they were killed by a road side bomb.....then 3yrs later this footage made its hands in to the media who revealed the truth.
Then Britain forced an inquest and forced the US to reveal ALL deaths of British troops...Britain wanted the inquest to be public....US wanted it to be private....wich means their hiding much more!
@BoyMunkey08 that could very well be the truth, however have you considered the hardship for the families? it is one thing to tell a family their kid is dead, and another to tell them it was friendly fire. although it appears a nasty coverup, they may have had good intentions: it can be better to have a family think that their son died protecting his buddy from an IED and that he is a hero rather than say that some dumb american pilots and shotty orange paint is what killed him. catch my drift?
@BoyMunkey08 you obviously have a misplaced hatred for your yankee brethren. Was it not the British Commander's responsibility to inform the soldier's family of his demise? The US DIDN'T and COULDN'T stop him from telling the truth if he had wanted to. Who could have then? His superiors of course... War is complex and no government's decision can ever be perfect... BTW, the word "your" is possessive; the word "you're" is a contraction of "you" and "are". It's basic english, plain and simple.
@CJFrasher 1. Im Italian and still learning English,its hard to learn.
2.Comment space is short so u have to shorten things down,and u knew what i ment anyway dick!
3.Its a US War so US calls the shots.
Britain has forced an inquest on all British troops deaths,Britain wanted the inquest public but the US wants it private,meaning they have more to hide.
@CJFrasher 1. Im Italian and still learning English,its hard to learn.
2.Comment space is short so u have to shorten things down,and u knew what i ment anyway dick!
3.Its a US War so US calls the shots.
Britain has forced an inquest on all British troops deaths,Britain wanted the inquest public but the US wants it private,meaning they have more to hide.
@BoyMunkey08 any blue on blue incident makes you look bad.
have you been in the force before mate? even in training we get blue on blue incidents, thankfully we were using blanks. do not underestimate how dangerous the fog of war can be.
British and American troops have been close allies thru 2 world wars and other wars. I'm sick to my stomach for this and you can tell the pilot feels the same way. Close air support must be hard as hell to pin point the bad guys. My best wishes to the families who may not understand and if they dont understand then I cant blame them, they lost their son or brother in this mistake. My best wishes to UK for their support in these wars and thank you...
Im british and i dont think people shoukd blame the piolts it was all down to communication but its war if i was a piolt and saw a unit of light tanks of apcs (not sure if they were warriors or scimatars) that could put friendly forces in danger you would naturaly try to remove that threat also its hard to see what kind of vheicle it is at 5000 feet or howevere high you are its war
Wow, bitches better quit arguing here. Friendly Fire - It fucking sucks and the pilots know it. They fucked up, badly and again - They know it. Then again it seems pointless to try and make some American kids/teens/men/"Vets" understand shit at times. But hey, I guess Wikileaks is a load of bull too, huh?
I came here expecting to see some British teenage punks and some American teenage punks arguing.
Instead I saw something truly disgusting. It was American kids effectively trying to pin the blame on the British soldiers who had been killed - all because they are embarrassed. I find this total lack of respect for human life astonishing.
Of course when pressed for proof of their statements they were lacking.
Out of nearly a decade of fighting two simultaneous wars there are about 35 total incidents of friendly fire between all coalition forces. All things considered this is an incredibly low number and accounts for very few of the killed and wounded.
@guamsst sorry not good enough. If I google "friendly fire" all it brings up is US incidents - but that is besides the point. You obviously are either: A) Unable to understand the concept of burden of proof or B) Completely lying.
@manchesterfellow OK, I just typed in friendly fire on google. This is what came up. The definition for FF, a band named FF, FF paintball, amazon,com link for a band named FF, random chat site named FF, FF recordings(studio), absolutely NOTHING involving US forces. Get over yourself guy, no matter how you look at it, Britain has had more friendly fire incidents and has killed more friendlies. Hell, you guys even managed to kill 50 THOUSAND innocent people in WW2 on ONE bombing run. GJ Britain.
@manchesterfellow NOW, when I click the wikipedia link, it shows more than 35 friendly fire incidents caused by the British, in WW2 ALONE. That is excluding any other war. Now, how about you have a nice big cup of shut the fuck up and get over yourself.
@manchesterfellow I can't fly out there and show you how to operate a computer. By the way, where is your proof? All you do is whine and call people names. Do you understand what wikipedia is? Go to wikipedia, use the wikipedia search engine to search friendly fire. Then look at the reference links at the bottom if you want actual information. Or maybe try ranting to a Dane about how wonderfully perfect Britain is. 9 Javelin missiles fired on Danish soldiers over the course of 1hr. Pretty bad!
@guamsst and 2 danes troops were killed in that too. Let's not forget that British killed 16 of their own men in both modern wars combined, most of them occurred on the ground(where its supposed to be easier to avoid). Well trained u say?
Guess how many our troops killed ours? only three LMAO. Guess what in February 2011 another British soldier from the Royal Irish Regiment, was shot and killed by British soldier again on the field! GJ UK keep killing your soldiers on the ground!
@Hperman09 I'm really not trying to bash on the Brit forces. My point is that these are accidents. They aren't common and all these ignorant wankers who want to bash on America need to look at their own country first. Ofcourse it's more convenient for them to deny facts, stereotype Americans, call us names and generally do all the things they accuse us of. I will be glad to serve with Brit forces again anytime but I dread the thought of ever having to deal with the average Brit again.
@guamsst You're right but they bash us cause they hate us. They feel from their media that FF is an U.S Phenomenon which is far from truth. WW2: RAF repeatedly bombed our men in Normandy. April 1944: RN killing 308 U.S. troops in "Exercise Tiger"(more than 200 US killed by German fire in Utah Beach). WW1: April 15 1918, two UK soldiers were killed and another UK soldier, C.S. Lewis, was injured after being hit by an UK battery shell fallen short of it's target.
@Hperman09 That's sort of my point though. It is a historically unavoidable part of war and it happens to everyone. The only way to stop it would be for everyone to line up, check each others ID cards then shoot. And yes, the poeple that label us as "Trigger happy incompetent Yanks" are arrogant and refuse to see their own countries imperfections.
@guamsst That's because their media hide their own imperfections and rather focus on us because we are a world superpower. Even in 2003, a UK Tornado jet was downed by a U.S. patriot battery which killed 2 crewmen, the UK was too quick to blame on us. It was found that the Tornado's Identification Friend or Foe(IFF) indicator malfunctioned and was not identified as a friendly aircraft which resulted being downed by our missile. Lack of equipment, communication, and heat of the battle caused it.
@Hperman09 Now be careful sir, our British friend will probably come back and say, "Haha, that's not proof. Do you know what proof is? That wasn't proof. Yanks." He loves to deny the facts.
@DoodeWarrior Ya i know. I'm going to ignore him since he's denying facts and he doesn't have statistics to back up proof which we did here. Which we all think it's retarded. This is what happen when you argue with someone that is not worth arguing for when you continue to repeat the same argument.
As I said. Until one of you can prove by showing me the statistics that one of you must of seen to be able to say "Brits kill more of their own than we do" then you are a liar.
@manchesterfellow Ahh denial the last refuge of the ignorant. Do the research. Check with your own British papers. I am not saying Brits have more FF I am saying they have more FF against Brits than we do.
I am having trouble with this incident though. On April 6, 2006, a British convoy in Afghanistan wounded 13 Afghan police officers and killed one, after calling in a US airstrike on what they thought was a Taliban attack. Who gets credit for that one?
@guamsst Prove it. You can't (it's because you are making it up)
Remember, you are talking to the real deal now. I'm not some little British geek on an anti American bullshit campaign. I'm only telling you the truth.
What has annoyed me is the sheer amount of lies you little computer game geeks have made because you don't like the fact that the US is having far too many FF incidents.
Sorry. Prove. That doesn't mean by quoting incidents - if we did that I could fill this fucking page.
@manchesterfellow What PROOF do you want. If the numbers involved in the incidents aren't proof then what is? Real deal? What exactly REAL DEAL are you?
@guamsst You made the statement. So the burden of proof is on you. To be able to say that you know that British troops kill more of our own than the Americans do then you must have seen how many British FF incidents there were - and compared them to how many times US troops hit British troops by accident.
So, since this is the only way you could know - show me.
Brit on Brit FF incidents between Iraq and Afghanistan total 14
U.S. on Brit between Iraq and Afghanistan total 4 with a 5th being called in by a British FAC.
FF deaths for Brit on Brit is 14, U.S. on Brit deaths is 6
Once again, if numbers/incidents aren't "Proof" then what is? These are confirmed through British news sources. Simply denying numbers you don't like doesn't make them "lies"
Considering the length of time and 2wars neither record is very high.
When will British people learn. No offense to any nice British people, but a lot of you seem to be stuck up assholes fixed on the idea that your military is so superior. The Brits have the most amount of BoB situations, yet you never hear any crap about that. Also, USA is pretty much the ONLY one doing CAS for anybody. Of course there will be more friendly fire incidents from USA, because the British aren't doing any CAS. The majority of these BoB are from ground troop error/stupidity.
@DoodeWarrior When will you fucking learn? Stop making things up to spare your embarrassed and I will stop exposing you as a liar. Unfortunately USAF cause more friendly fire incidents than the rest of the coalition combined. Think about that.
we should be killing those muslim pigs that infest our nations
Gurnerman 6 days ago
I'm a U.S. Marine and this sucks. I can't imagine what the guys on the ground feel like or the pilots. I feel bad for the pilots only because they thought they were killing bad guys and found out they were killing friendlies and no shit got sick to their stomachs when they found out who they just lit up....man this sucks all around. God bless the UK and everything they do. Rest in peace brothers....
rambosperm 1 week ago
@SubZero1703 You're a friggin moron kiddo! It does make me happy that we just killed some if your gay troops! We need to kill em' all now! It won't take us long! USAF training is the best AF training in the world, moron! You don't know shit about the US military!
DeMoNMiNdLS 1 week ago
@DeMoNMiNdLS Your a total TWAT if you think that the US is better traind than the UK Forces...I worked with the US Army in the 80's, and they could not keep up with us on runs, marches and on the firing ranges. A US Soldier does 12 weeks training.....A British Soldier does 20 Weeks, so YES the British Troops are better trained than the Americans.
Stubby24525921 5 hours ago
maybe if those brits turned had radiod the pilots back and turned on their fucking lights 3 people would be feeling a lot better, and 1 would still be here rest his soul... and if were such a fucking liability then why did the brits basically pull the united states into world war 2, sure it needed to be done, but don't call us a liability if were such a huge ally and vise versa. WHO KILLED OSAMA?
xWhocaresxX 1 week ago
@xWhocaresxX they pop'ed their smoke you fucking idoit, who ever was feeding the pilot the intel is the one at fault not the guys who were risking their lives.
oncrack1 1 week ago
@oncrack1 they popped their smoke after the 2nd wave of fire you fucking idiot its a bad accident and I'm sick and tired of everyone thinking that the united states military just decides to randomly open fire on their allies on purpose... i feel horrible for the soldiers and their families, but it was an accident.
xWhocaresxX 1 week ago
@xWhocaresxX then why are you saying its the ground troops fault?
oncrack1 1 week ago
@oncrack1 because technically it was, they were in hostile territory, no friendly signals on them, and from 10000 feet all they see are dots with trucks and guns... the pilots even attempted to radio contact them... its a horrible situation.
xWhocaresxX 1 week ago
@xWhocaresxX or maybe if the american ground control had done their job AT ALL or when the pilot stated that the vehicles had the orange markers on them this could have been avoided. feel sorry for the pilot because he kept asking for conformation of no friendlies but poor communication and ignoring the orange markers left 1 dead and more wounded in a blue on blue. shockingly poor fuckin skills
qwerty00101 4 days ago
@qwerty00101 they did do their job... orange lights docent signify anything friendly or foe. and why are you being all fucking sarcastic?? see this is why i can't tolerate this shit... not trying to sound stereotypical but brits do have a bad rep where if some bad accident or in this case stupidity, is kicked in EVERY patriotic brit docent even think about all the shit their number 1 Ally has done with them for them or all the shit they've been through....
xWhocaresxX 4 days ago
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donkeyball2therescue 2 weeks ago
the pilot did feel really bad! it feels terrible killing an enemy let alone a friendly
TheCelticmaori 2 weeks ago
Thanks for murdering my fellow countrymen America
UK
wank0r 4 weeks ago
shit happends
Mrdrgeenthumb 4 weeks ago
@Mrdrgeenthumb Shit happened to Yanks aswell, few planes got smoked blue on blue, awwww shame.
SubZero1703 4 weeks ago
Get our British soldiers home and get the yanks out of the UK. we don't want US troops on our land
The so called 'special relationship' has always been one way and needs to be ended.
eurosceptic1 1 month ago
@eurosceptic1 dumbass british bitch.
Mrdrgeenthumb 4 weeks ago
@Mrdrgeenthumb CUNT!
SubZero1703 4 weeks ago
@eurosceptic1 Fuck the yanks they are a liability.
SubZero1703 4 weeks ago
@SubZero1703 I hate when you dumb fucks call us "yanks" im not a yank, im from the south so get it right ! thats like if we called you british (irish) there is a big difference !
Mrdrgeenthumb 4 weeks ago
@Mrdrgeenthumb Yer all Yanks in our eyes , like we are called fking Limeys.
SubZero1703 3 weeks ago
To our Brittish Brothers in Arms from many many American Soldiers we are so sorry for your loss and you have our heartfelt sadness and sorrow. Please know and take to heart the sorrow expressed in this video, these men were clearly and for the rest of their lives devastated by this Blue on Blue engagement. This was NOT DELIBERATE and we are filled with Sorrow over your loss. Peace.
SOCOMBanG 1 month ago
@SOCOMBanG Great post. No bad feeling here mate....one of thoese things.
LunchtimeLoonies 1 month ago
As a Brit... i can't see why there is any debate on this film... the Pilot clearly felt bad after he realised what had happened.... It wasn't his fault that this situation occured... but the guys in the plane still felt bad about it. To the point they were feeling ill.
dawatticus 1 month ago
@dawatticus Pilot felt bad about being jailed, not about the killing. Get it right.
SubZero1703 4 weeks ago
@SubZero1703 Perhaps, but they still felt bad about the situation. Especially as it wasn't their fault.
dawatticus 3 weeks ago
That was the time were we had less techonogly to decide between friendlies and none friendlies.It was a tradegy.
roju0229 1 month ago
I noticed that wen he realised that he had killed someone his first thoughts were for himself saying he was going to jail. Not im so sorry. How are the family going to cope. Bad things happen in war but he did just think of himself im afraid.
uncelsminor 1 month ago
Man I bet his heart fell out of his chest when he heard the blue on blue over comms.
Ominou5 1 month ago
This whole thing was obviously a fuck up guys. If anyone had bothered to watch part 1, they'd know that the FO and Pilots were talking about different targets. Furthermore, they were informed that there were NO FRIENDLIES in the area.
CaptainAmerica322 2 months ago 8
...it was hushed up. How the pilots weren't allowed to give evidence or even named. If it were the pilot's total personal fault, the USAF would've been quick to eat them alive. Hushing everything up, however, is to me, an admission of guilt on behalf of the top brass of the USAF. They knew that there were gaps that training couldn't account for, and so they knew that any hearing would most likely return a verdict of negligence on their part. That is my theory, anyway.
RoLLWithITOasis1 2 months ago 2
Too much going on. Too much going on and nobody can cope with it. There were a lot of jets in the air - several F18s, Lightenings and A10s. The forward air controller has too much to deal with. Also, as is always the case, these pilots - and in fact all of the USAF involved here - have brilliant equipment, but insufficient training. As a result, its all like "they dont look friendly" and a mentality of "we aren't sure, but we'll just shoot anyway." What annoys me even more though is how...
RoLLWithITOasis1 2 months ago 3
Even though a lot of it was his fault, there was no information that British gave to the Americans till after the shot. If they see a jet fly over they must inform to tell who it is. So its also the British faultfor not informing. If they told the us that it was British ships than all this wouldnt happen.
invizz0ninja 2 months ago
It was the Americans fault.
1 . The pilots asked the Forward Air Controller ("Manila Hotel") if friendly forces were around the Iraqi vehicles — not to the west.
2 . Neither pilot gave the precise grid references for the Household Cavalry patrol to double check its identity.
3 . The pilots convinced themselves that the orange identification panels were in fact orange rocket launchers.
4 . POPOV36 decided to attack, saying he is “rolling in” without permission from the Forward Air Controller....
distantkilljoy 2 months ago 2
@invizz0ninja ...
5 . POPOV35 asked for artillery to fire a marker round into the target area to clear up confusion, but POPOV36 attacked without waiting for it.
6 . POPOV36 strafed the column for a second time, but still doubted its identity.
End of
distantkilljoy 2 months ago 2
@distantkilljoy Actually its also the British fault. B/c if you noticed that the pilot told the Costa something that they were aborting mission. The British job is to inform that their there. If they saw Navy pilots, than they have to locate any Navy carriers or so that is close by and and to inform that they are friendlies, but what happen, the British had to wait till we fired on them, so they can blame us. Ya ok ya blame us and not take 10% of the blame. Is that how all British people are?
invizz0ninja 2 months ago
@invizz0ninja Why should the British have to tell every aircraft that goes by that they are friendly.
These Americans were trigger happy and never got cleared for attack.
The pilots even had doubts if the tanks were friendly or not, if you have a doubt you DON'T shoot.
A British inquest even found the Americans guilty of unlawful killing.
So how dare you blame the British in this situation.
distantkilljoy 2 months ago 6
@distantkilljoy Dude ur retarded. It doesnt matter if it is Canadians, Norwegians. Or Iran!!! Everybody has to inform who is who b/c you dont want to know friendly fire to happen. If Iran is close to North Korea, if North Koreans see and Iran jet fighter, they inform them that who they are. Its not freaking rocket science retard. And plus y'all Brits always find ways to make us look bad. Freakin' Brits
invizz0ninja 2 months ago
@invizz0ninja Not our fault the pilots were trigger happy and wanted to shoot anything that moved.
The tanks had ORANGE PANELS on them (AKA friendlies) but the pilots convinced themselves that they were rockets.
Oh and the convoy have British flags on them and still got shot at.
The Americans have a appalling history of friendly fire, end of.
distantkilljoy 2 months ago 2
@invizz0ninja Thats what the massive orange panels on top of nato vehicles are for you retard the IFF markers!
Aliasify 2 months ago
@distantkilljoy Holy shit you're actually trying to pass of blame to us Brits? Let me sum up what you're saying:
Basically everyone has to announce themselves to the yanks otherwise they get shot. So its not up to the yanks to bother getting intel no? Get fucked and take responsibility for your actions.
GrantFerSure 2 months ago
@GrantFerSure you are dumb, Im British... -_-
distantkilljoy 2 months ago
Shit intel
KJT922010T 2 months ago
One killed and three wounded, it could of been alot worse. Still, I don't think it's approapriate conduct for America to decline the extradition of the soldiers in question.
BigWilki123321 2 months ago 3
Americans are over payed cowboys who are experts at fucking up and killing their allies.
lonelycyclist 2 months ago 4
3:04 the sad news hits him
idmji89 2 months ago
This is War... sooner or later somebody get killed.. They are dead. Does it matter from whose bullet?
spookyNorbert 2 months ago
@spookyNorbert When its friendly fire, yes. It can be seen as a deliberate attack if it keeps happening.
GrantFerSure 2 months ago
it was an accident that shouldnt have happened it was know ones fault. the uk and the americans fight side by side in afghanistan...it could have been americans killed by brits... it is sad that mistakes like this happen but new measures are being taken to prevent things like this
rivetjointful 3 months ago
I would hate to be that pilot. It would be gutting.
dsplodge86 3 months ago
it was a really bad mistake, the pilot was clearly angry and upset of what he done.
DARKR3APZ 3 months ago
It's not as bad as the Bomb Americans dropped on one of are Military bases.
1tjos 3 months ago
The pilots go tbad intel if you listen to all traffic. It's very sad what happened here, but blue on blue has been happening for centuries, and britian isnt inocent of it either, all boils down to bad intel on all sides
stvndog1 3 months ago
fuck hun soldiers
3sjh3 3 months ago
FORMER US AIRFORCEMAN THE AIRMAN ARE CLEARLY TO BLAME. THEY SAW PANELS GROUND PERSONelle coulda comfirmed
easternblackman 3 months ago 2
@easternblackman nope, wasnt their fault. it was the brits fault for being so stupid.
YouFucknFail 3 months ago
@YouFucknFail - lol yeah it was the British soldiers' fault for being on the ground, fighting a war in a killbox which the Americans knew had friendly Armour in it. Retard. It was the pilots fault you dim-witted twat, for not reporting their position correctly, thus not knowing what kill box they were in & ignoring the fact that all coalition forces had orange panels (sorry rockets lol) ON THEIR VEHICLES AS IDENTIFICATION. The Americans went off, fucked up and spammed friendly forces. Typical.
mongohotline 3 months ago 3
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@mongohotline thing is, WE DON'T CARE. we don't even remember the names of the british idiots we killed.
YouFucknFail 3 months ago
@YouFucknFail shut the fuck up idiot your giving us a bad name. You wonder why people hate us its because of fucking idiots like you.
This idiot does NOT speak for America
GamingMusicVideos1 3 months ago 22
@YouFucknFail - your mum doesn't remember the name of the inbred who released into her every whole before accidentally letting you slip, but it's still an utterly American tradgedy.
mongohotline 3 months ago
@YouFucknFail Drop Dead you fat, pathetic inbred cunt!
show some respect you arsehole or we may 'accidently' say your house looks very similar to a Taliban stronghold and drop some of our big arse bombs down.
GREATBRITISHGAMER 3 months ago 2
@YouFucknFail You arse hole. You are a fucking cunt how would you like it if I killed you accidently. Hope you die
00MrBlob 3 months ago
@mongohotline Please ignore that idiot you are talking too. He does not speak for Americans. Hes a 12 year old little shit. Regardless, its not the pilots fault. Its the fault of the JTAC operators who called the pilots in.
GamingMusicVideos1 3 months ago
@GamingMusicVideos1 - sorry I should have realised I was being trolled by that fgt and ignored rather than gone off on my own patriotic BS speech. Regardless, I & the vast majority of people who can work out how to turn on a PC realise his isn't the opinion of Americans as a whole. As to whose fault it is, the pilots can't be entirely uninvolved given they ignored the orange coalition paneling, but I accept it wasn't their fault exclusively, and that friendly fire is close to inevitable in war.
mongohotline 3 months ago
hey that's MANILA HOTEL its nice to see
Petlovedurian 3 months ago
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Petlovedurian 3 months ago
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IT'S NOT A TRAGEDY, AFTERALL THEY WERE BRITISH SO NO BIG DEAL.
YouFucknFail 4 months ago
@YouFucknFail Leave, troll boy.
TTDMFfreaknew 4 months ago
@YouFucknFail Shut the hell up. Go away. I'm sure your parents aren't very proud of you.
shoopdawhooperful 3 months ago
@YouFucknFail You are a twat, your a fat american slob, who sits around bosting about how bloody powerful your contry is, and you dont care about anyone, but your self. Get of your lazy ass and go to Afghanistan and ill shoot you with my jet and see how you bloody well like it. FUCK YOU
coolcalking 3 months ago 16
@YouFucknFail Have some respect. Our brave British soldiers were fighting for you. How would you like it if the British Empire started again. I hope you burn in hell.
JoelBrucesSocks 2 months ago 3
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Bubo25 4 months ago
It was a fucking accident. Accidents happen. It's easy to say you wouldn't of fired when you're sitting behing a cpmputer screen. They didn't go up there intending to kill friendlies. They received shitty intel. Not their fault.
KamakazeeFatty 4 months ago
"We're in jail dude"? Firstly, I wouldn't trust a combat pilot with such responsibility who talks like a common beach bum. Secondly, he should realise from the same "accident" in Gulf War I that they needn't worry, because American lives seem to be more important to the US government than British lives. In other words they're protected from prosecution by the Pentagon, which wouldn't be the same if our Tornado pilots were stupid enough to do the same to Americans.
Bubo25 4 months ago
@Bubo25 Yes, this is exactly point of "origin" "We're in jail dude" , how nobody mention "Jesus, i kill innocent guy" because he do not have that first impression that just second a go he killed innocent man, and that is something which is common for the pilots, they don't see "result of they works" for them that is just some distance blur of dust and dirt....
runxxeroxx 3 months ago
Pilot incompetence. A-10s are designed specifically for nap of the earth attacks, but I've yet to see them being used that way in combat. Like this one, I've only ever seen them flying at high altitude in combat. Attack aircraft pilots are supposedly trained to identify friend from foe. If he was flying at the right height he would've had better chance of identifying them properly. And only Allied vehicles had those markings, not the enemy. Fly low enough & proper training would've shown that.
Bubo25 4 months ago
@Bubo25 Unfortunately in this day of AA guns and missiles, nap of the earth is more hazardous. If they thought they saw "orange missiles", that is the last thing they want to do is get within their range, i.e. drop altitude. They attempted to ID them numerous times through combat control. Lack of coordination efforts between two forces is the issue.
weasel103 4 months ago
@weasel103 Our Tornado pilots are doing nap of the earth flying all the time. Yes, even in real life combat. And if nap of the earth flying is too hazardous for the USAF, then the A10's quite an ill conceived aircraft because that's what it was designed for. As for your comment about AAA and SAMs, that's the whole point of nap of the earth, because then you fly under their beams. Even in terrain such as deserts ground radar can't pick up aircraft flying under a certain height.
Bubo25 4 months ago
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weasel103 4 months ago
@Bubo25 Are you a Tornado pilot?
weasel103 4 months ago
@weasel103 No, but I've been a member of the RAF.
Bubo25 4 months ago
@Bubo25 Well, you've got my respect for that. Either way, our pilots don't need me to defend their reputations or how they operate, so I'll just leave you with your opinions. Btw, I agree that there was a piss-poor response from our Govt. Our soldiers and pilots value our allies, even if the policymakers don't.
weasel103 4 months ago
@weasel103 Check "nap of the earth" out on Wiki. The A10 was designed to be slow & rugged just for this reason, to enable it to survive this very mission, not to be up there in the clouds where, ironically, it makes a much better target for advanced air defence radars. So, not only were those pilots putting our troops at risk, but they were unwittingly putting their own lives at risk too, because there's no more a juicy target for a SAM or AAA than a high flying, low speed & unstealthy A10.
Bubo25 4 months ago
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loadeduk 5 months ago
I'm wondering about the people who defend the pilots. They were clearly trigger-happy. Even after the first attack they were not sure, if these were hostiles.
megawutt 5 months ago
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Bubo25 4 months ago
@megawutt Americans defending their own. If we were in that position (which we wouldn't because our Tornadoes are flown as they should be), then we wouldn't have attacked until we knew for sure that they were enemy vehicles, not just guess, pull the trigger & hope for the best. Those are the actions of a cowboy who's watched Top Gun once too often. We, on the other hand, are much more used to thinking with that organ between our ears rather than the one between our legs.
Bubo25 4 months ago
i'm from uk and sheesh, feel sorry for the pilots as it was shit communication for them. 100% not there fault and the poeple who gave them the mission shud be fucked for not telling them in the 1st place there were friendly's in the area.
davidstanton2007 5 months ago
@cherubottom trust me i doubt this was going to be their first kill...and what happens if the enemy has the orange markers?...when u call it in and they say you are good to go you go....
usbadass 6 months ago
I forgive, for I know that forgiveness is a gift that should always be taken,
I forgive you American pilots, for I know that you are sad and shaken.
This forgiveness, let it be written, we are unstoppable with forgiveness,
America and Britain...
xB1akey 6 months ago
SAD FOR EVERYONE INVOLED,BUT WAR,THESE CAN HAPPEN :((
josephxuereb1 6 months ago
The intel was shitty I feel bad for the British soldiers and the pilots. The pilot is crying and cursing himself.
KJT922010T 6 months ago
american professionalism
Darusdei 6 months ago
They did not get an attack order tho. They acted independently. Secondly they seem a bit more worried about themselves and jail instead of the guys on the ground.
Tho, things like this do happen in war. Blame can be thrown etc. It is hell having different armies etc doing attacks, communication is tough. And when fresh guys in a battle gets triggered, things like this happens sadly.
Kerebo77 6 months ago
I feel very sorry for the Pilots here, at the end a bloke is almost crying. The only people to blame here are the men back at the controls. When jets are saying they see possible friendly several times and are told to engage it's not there fault.
CommissiarJohn 6 months ago
Yeah, it is funny how people from countries who fight for the same cause, start hating on each other on youtube. THIS is why are you are a bunch of losers and not the soldiers. If armies would act like you do toward each other, there would be a world war right now. Grow up.
WeirdoWithABeirdo84 7 months ago
@Hperman09 and @Doodewarrior errr I'm sorry but it seems at the end if the day it was YOU that killed OUR soldiers. I have to agree with manchesterfellow with everything that's been said and wasn't it the AMERICANS that started this bloody war in the first place?
And wasn't it the Americans that asked the British for help?
And I was born and lived in afghanistan when I was a kid and wasn't the Taliban only created because the American government asked the Pakistani government to make the Tal
28carrotcake 7 months ago
@28carrotcake you want justice?
Im sure the families of the HMS Hawkins April 1944 incident would want justice.
A british warship opened fire killing 308 Americans performing landing excercises.
Even worse were the El Alamein and Burma carpet bombings of British troops by British bombers.
Sturmmann 6 months ago
@Sturmmann I'm not bashing or disrespecting America. Both countries have lots of bad history but I was merely making a point -_-
Sorry for upsetting you but I was very angry at the time
28carrotcake 6 months ago
@28carrotcake
your apology is accepted, thanks for being courtious
Sturmmann 6 months ago
shitty intel its nobodys faul really i feel bad for the killed guy and i feel bad for the pilots
wank0r 7 months ago
@wank0r No. Dont feel bad for the pilots. They misidentified. An RAF pilot wouldn't attack until 100% sure that that target is an enemy, its down to the Gung Ho attitude of USAF, they are renowned for bad training and uneducated second guessing. Hope they get life.
SubZero1703 4 weeks ago
you septicts cant fight for shit!!!!!!!!!!
facebookjacker1 7 months ago
So not only did these 2 attack them, but 2 A-10s engaged them as well. Obviously a mistake in communications.
PayneProdutions 7 months ago
@PayneProdutions These are the two A10s, no other aircraft touched em.
SAbre5311 6 months ago
@SAbre5311 So, what exactly happens to guys like this? Do they get discharged? Do they get forgiven? I mean I know it's obviously a mistake but you know, saying sorry doesn't bring back a man.
PayneProdutions 6 months ago
@PayneProdutions
They got no punishments whatsoever. They were recommended for disciplinary or administrative punishments by the US investigation, but Higher United States Department of Defense officials cleared them from everything.
Kerebo77 6 months ago
It's kinda sad to see people on YT argue like this seeing both of our countries are fighting for the same cause. I'm not some sort of peace maker but think before you comment, some guy died because of this mistake. Stop arguing about your cultural differences.
Doinkatron 8 months ago
A tragic situation but I quote a German soldier in Normandy, "When German planes appear,no one ducks (there aren't any), When British planes appear, we duck, when American planes appear...EVERYBODY ducks".
Just a quote, but shit happens, c'est la guerre...so don't take it too personally...and get on with it. "If you can't take a joke, don't sign up" (old British Army saying)
tournon71 9 months ago
@tournon71 Correct, my uncle still says the same thing. To term a phrase "Oh shit !, dig in the Yanks are comming" He was in the black watch .
SubZero1703 4 weeks ago
I've had a interesting chat with some guys that came back from Afghanistan , when ever they call in an air strike they pull out a massive union flag and place it behind their line so the aircraft can see who is where from above . They did this as the pilots were getting to close for comfort . TAC often don't have the best data unless they are flying directly over head (like you'd want to do that)
So the troops thought up a better way than orange stripes
edmundscycles 10 months ago
@edmundscycles its very difficult to see anything on the ground in any detail when you are in an aircraft. even at low altitudes the detail is often very obscured. much of the time everything on the ground is just a blur. every inch of visual view is a mile of land
210482fmj 9 months ago 9
"were in jail dude"
TheAdamgnych 10 months ago 5
Fucking idiot on the ground just wants to see shit get blown up.
NigelGriff 10 months ago
Don't blame the pilots, blame the shitty intel and communication relay from field to aircraft. Least with CAS missions the TAC has direct link with the aircraft above, and yes friendly fire does occur still due to other ground units engaging friendlies in their AO. But the pilots nearly always check up afterwards and apologise, even though they don't really need to as they are engaging a (legitimate) designated target that they can't really see from altitude (apart from on a 4" MFD).
cousto85 10 months ago 28
@cousto85 Well i heard something about the TAC loosing communication with the pilots as they switched channel..
Im not blaming anyone for this..accept for the intel giving to the pilots once they reached their AO. If it was a cas mission we should have heard the Forward air controller over the radio giving directions...but we didnt...this is just one mistake building up after another..you cant blame anyone in the AO...but intel about the AO was shit
UsedToFly1 9 months ago
@cousto85 ....ur rit not the pilot, the whole fukn usaf. happends all the fukn time.
SuRrEyAsSaSsin 8 months ago
@cousto85 Yes but they should of checked if friendly's were in the area and not just fired !.
TobyParr 5 months ago
@TobyParr watch part one they do check
S0paranoid 5 months ago
@cousto85 The worst thing about this incident was that the US government lied to Britain (their allie) and to the deads family back home in Britain. US government told them they were killed by a road side bomb.....then 3yrs later this footage made its hands in to the media who revealed the truth.
Then Britain forced an inquest and forced the US to reveal ALL deaths of British troops...Britain wanted the inquest to be public....US wanted it to be private....wich means their hiding much more!
BoyMunkey08 5 months ago
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Hperman09 5 months ago
@BoyMunkey08 that could very well be the truth, however have you considered the hardship for the families? it is one thing to tell a family their kid is dead, and another to tell them it was friendly fire. although it appears a nasty coverup, they may have had good intentions: it can be better to have a family think that their son died protecting his buddy from an IED and that he is a hero rather than say that some dumb american pilots and shotty orange paint is what killed him. catch my drift?
CJFrasher 4 months ago
@CJFrasher lmao BULLSHIT,the US coverd it up because it makes America look bad,plain and simple.
u think anything else and your delusional.
BoyMunkey08 4 months ago
@BoyMunkey08 you obviously have a misplaced hatred for your yankee brethren. Was it not the British Commander's responsibility to inform the soldier's family of his demise? The US DIDN'T and COULDN'T stop him from telling the truth if he had wanted to. Who could have then? His superiors of course... War is complex and no government's decision can ever be perfect... BTW, the word "your" is possessive; the word "you're" is a contraction of "you" and "are". It's basic english, plain and simple.
CJFrasher 4 months ago
@CJFrasher 1. Im Italian and still learning English,its hard to learn.
2.Comment space is short so u have to shorten things down,and u knew what i ment anyway dick!
3.Its a US War so US calls the shots.
Britain has forced an inquest on all British troops deaths,Britain wanted the inquest public but the US wants it private,meaning they have more to hide.
BoyMunkey08 4 months ago
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@CJFrasher 1. Im Italian and still learning English,its hard to learn.
2.Comment space is short so u have to shorten things down,and u knew what i ment anyway dick!
3.Its a US War so US calls the shots.
Britain has forced an inquest on all British troops deaths,Britain wanted the inquest public but the US wants it private,meaning they have more to hide.
BoyMunkey08 4 months ago
@BoyMunkey08 any blue on blue incident makes you look bad.
have you been in the force before mate? even in training we get blue on blue incidents, thankfully we were using blanks. do not underestimate how dangerous the fog of war can be.
rexregum 4 months ago
@cousto85 Sorry, but in this instance he pilots were to blame. Orange panels - simple.
manchesterfellow 4 months ago
GEE, no one's LAUGHING NOW, are they!? Along with the 2004 'Iraqi Gunship Murders' you guys are batting 1000.
19Truth53 11 months ago
good ,makes job of taliban easy:)
infiltratorr 11 months ago
British and American troops have been close allies thru 2 world wars and other wars. I'm sick to my stomach for this and you can tell the pilot feels the same way. Close air support must be hard as hell to pin point the bad guys. My best wishes to the families who may not understand and if they dont understand then I cant blame them, they lost their son or brother in this mistake. My best wishes to UK for their support in these wars and thank you...
aggies436 11 months ago
That does suck, I hope we learn about this in the future and work hard on making less mistakes like this one. God Bless you United Kingdom!
aggies436 11 months ago
Im british and i dont think people shoukd blame the piolts it was all down to communication but its war if i was a piolt and saw a unit of light tanks of apcs (not sure if they were warriors or scimatars) that could put friendly forces in danger you would naturaly try to remove that threat also its hard to see what kind of vheicle it is at 5000 feet or howevere high you are its war
lolreconz 11 months ago
what happened to them after they landed?
bobo13555 11 months ago
A friend in the army told me that they are more scared of the yanks on operations than the taliban.... this video shows why
trumpet190 11 months ago
@trumpet190 It's true. British soldiers are on Edge when US air support is above them.
manchesterfellow 11 months ago
Wow, bitches better quit arguing here. Friendly Fire - It fucking sucks and the pilots know it. They fucked up, badly and again - They know it. Then again it seems pointless to try and make some American kids/teens/men/"Vets" understand shit at times. But hey, I guess Wikileaks is a load of bull too, huh?
aztaclalz 11 months ago
I came here expecting to see some British teenage punks and some American teenage punks arguing.
Instead I saw something truly disgusting. It was American kids effectively trying to pin the blame on the British soldiers who had been killed - all because they are embarrassed. I find this total lack of respect for human life astonishing.
Of course when pressed for proof of their statements they were lacking.
For shame...
manchesterfellow 11 months ago
half witted american gung ho cavalier ass holes
celticmystt 1 year ago
Out of nearly a decade of fighting two simultaneous wars there are about 35 total incidents of friendly fire between all coalition forces. All things considered this is an incredibly low number and accounts for very few of the killed and wounded.
guamsst 1 year ago
@guamsst sorry not good enough. If I google "friendly fire" all it brings up is US incidents - but that is besides the point. You obviously are either: A) Unable to understand the concept of burden of proof or B) Completely lying.
Do you want me to do it for you?
manchesterfellow 1 year ago
@manchesterfellow OK, I just typed in friendly fire on google. This is what came up. The definition for FF, a band named FF, FF paintball, amazon,com link for a band named FF, random chat site named FF, FF recordings(studio), absolutely NOTHING involving US forces. Get over yourself guy, no matter how you look at it, Britain has had more friendly fire incidents and has killed more friendlies. Hell, you guys even managed to kill 50 THOUSAND innocent people in WW2 on ONE bombing run. GJ Britain.
DoodeWarrior 1 year ago
@manchesterfellow NOW, when I click the wikipedia link, it shows more than 35 friendly fire incidents caused by the British, in WW2 ALONE. That is excluding any other war. Now, how about you have a nice big cup of shut the fuck up and get over yourself.
DoodeWarrior 1 year ago
@manchesterfellow I can't fly out there and show you how to operate a computer. By the way, where is your proof? All you do is whine and call people names. Do you understand what wikipedia is? Go to wikipedia, use the wikipedia search engine to search friendly fire. Then look at the reference links at the bottom if you want actual information. Or maybe try ranting to a Dane about how wonderfully perfect Britain is. 9 Javelin missiles fired on Danish soldiers over the course of 1hr. Pretty bad!
guamsst 1 year ago
@guamsst and 2 danes troops were killed in that too. Let's not forget that British killed 16 of their own men in both modern wars combined, most of them occurred on the ground(where its supposed to be easier to avoid). Well trained u say?
Guess how many our troops killed ours? only three LMAO. Guess what in February 2011 another British soldier from the Royal Irish Regiment, was shot and killed by British soldier again on the field! GJ UK keep killing your soldiers on the ground!
Hperman09 1 year ago
@Hperman09 I'm really not trying to bash on the Brit forces. My point is that these are accidents. They aren't common and all these ignorant wankers who want to bash on America need to look at their own country first. Ofcourse it's more convenient for them to deny facts, stereotype Americans, call us names and generally do all the things they accuse us of. I will be glad to serve with Brit forces again anytime but I dread the thought of ever having to deal with the average Brit again.
guamsst 1 year ago
@guamsst You're right but they bash us cause they hate us. They feel from their media that FF is an U.S Phenomenon which is far from truth. WW2: RAF repeatedly bombed our men in Normandy. April 1944: RN killing 308 U.S. troops in "Exercise Tiger"(more than 200 US killed by German fire in Utah Beach). WW1: April 15 1918, two UK soldiers were killed and another UK soldier, C.S. Lewis, was injured after being hit by an UK battery shell fallen short of it's target.
Sadly things like these happen.
Hperman09 1 year ago
@Hperman09 That's sort of my point though. It is a historically unavoidable part of war and it happens to everyone. The only way to stop it would be for everyone to line up, check each others ID cards then shoot. And yes, the poeple that label us as "Trigger happy incompetent Yanks" are arrogant and refuse to see their own countries imperfections.
guamsst 1 year ago
@guamsst That's because their media hide their own imperfections and rather focus on us because we are a world superpower. Even in 2003, a UK Tornado jet was downed by a U.S. patriot battery which killed 2 crewmen, the UK was too quick to blame on us. It was found that the Tornado's Identification Friend or Foe(IFF) indicator malfunctioned and was not identified as a friendly aircraft which resulted being downed by our missile. Lack of equipment, communication, and heat of the battle caused it.
Hperman09 1 year ago
@Hperman09 Now be careful sir, our British friend will probably come back and say, "Haha, that's not proof. Do you know what proof is? That wasn't proof. Yanks." He loves to deny the facts.
DoodeWarrior 1 year ago
@DoodeWarrior Ya i know. I'm going to ignore him since he's denying facts and he doesn't have statistics to back up proof which we did here. Which we all think it's retarded. This is what happen when you argue with someone that is not worth arguing for when you continue to repeat the same argument.
Hperman09 1 year ago
As I said. Until one of you can prove by showing me the statistics that one of you must of seen to be able to say "Brits kill more of their own than we do" then you are a liar.
manchesterfellow 1 year ago
All I am going to say is this. Until any of you can prove that British forces commit more blue on blues than US forces then you are liars.
It is that simple.
Why are you lying? Because you are embarrassed.
manchesterfellow 1 year ago
@manchesterfellow Ahh denial the last refuge of the ignorant. Do the research. Check with your own British papers. I am not saying Brits have more FF I am saying they have more FF against Brits than we do.
I am having trouble with this incident though. On April 6, 2006, a British convoy in Afghanistan wounded 13 Afghan police officers and killed one, after calling in a US airstrike on what they thought was a Taliban attack. Who gets credit for that one?
guamsst 1 year ago
@guamsst Prove it. You can't (it's because you are making it up)
Remember, you are talking to the real deal now. I'm not some little British geek on an anti American bullshit campaign. I'm only telling you the truth.
What has annoyed me is the sheer amount of lies you little computer game geeks have made because you don't like the fact that the US is having far too many FF incidents.
Sorry. Prove. That doesn't mean by quoting incidents - if we did that I could fill this fucking page.
manchesterfellow 1 year ago
@manchesterfellow What PROOF do you want. If the numbers involved in the incidents aren't proof then what is? Real deal? What exactly REAL DEAL are you?
guamsst 1 year ago
@guamsst You made the statement. So the burden of proof is on you. To be able to say that you know that British troops kill more of our own than the Americans do then you must have seen how many British FF incidents there were - and compared them to how many times US troops hit British troops by accident.
So, since this is the only way you could know - show me.
Otherwise - you are a liar.
manchesterfellow 1 year ago
@manchesterfellow
Brit on Brit FF incidents between Iraq and Afghanistan total 14
U.S. on Brit between Iraq and Afghanistan total 4 with a 5th being called in by a British FAC.
FF deaths for Brit on Brit is 14, U.S. on Brit deaths is 6
Once again, if numbers/incidents aren't "Proof" then what is? These are confirmed through British news sources. Simply denying numbers you don't like doesn't make them "lies"
Considering the length of time and 2wars neither record is very high.
guamsst 1 year ago
@guamsst That's not proof. That is you making a statement. It's like me saying this-
Number of coalition troops killed by insurgents wearing burkas = 50
Number of coalition troops killed by insurgents wearing clown suits doing backflips - 619001
It's meaningless. Show me your source.
My God you really are a liar aren't you? Are you that embarrassed?
manchesterfellow 1 year ago
@manchesterfellow your refusal to believe facts does not make them lies. You never did explain how you are "the real deal".
Search FRIENDLY FIRE, go to the wikipedia page. Look at the bottom for sources. I'm not going to supply you with 30+ links.
guamsst 1 year ago
When will British people learn. No offense to any nice British people, but a lot of you seem to be stuck up assholes fixed on the idea that your military is so superior. The Brits have the most amount of BoB situations, yet you never hear any crap about that. Also, USA is pretty much the ONLY one doing CAS for anybody. Of course there will be more friendly fire incidents from USA, because the British aren't doing any CAS. The majority of these BoB are from ground troop error/stupidity.
DoodeWarrior 1 year ago
@DoodeWarrior When will you fucking learn? Stop making things up to spare your embarrassed and I will stop exposing you as a liar. Unfortunately USAF cause more friendly fire incidents than the rest of the coalition combined. Think about that.
manchesterfellow 1 year ago