Are You God-Centered or Self-Centered? (Mark Kielar)

[polopowers1]

God's chief jealousy is to be known, admired,enjoyed,obeyed, above all others ?.This is dangerous preaching. God through jealousy lusting for something of a man. ? God does not need admiration to be God. Neither does He need obedience. He is not jealous for anything. Jealousy by definition means competition for affection or whatever object of desire. God is jealous above all other affections towards His chosen people.God's jealously cannot be marred or have less than His desired response.

[theocratickingdom30]

Good vid

[praiselordgrace]

Amen!

Some-Christian: There are three basic problems areas:

1. More self-centered than God-centered.

2. We have misunderstood "living by faith."

3. We do not take some sin seriously.

[jellyrcw11]

great video.... I love your channel. Thanks and God bless

[oxh973]

Where was the Gospel?

[LaneCh]

This is only an 8 minute clip of an entire sermon so the clip is a little out of context.

[agentorangetechno]

this speaker is awsome.

I have a hard time finding full sermons by him.

[LaneCh]

If you go to my profile page, I have a full playlist with about 100 videos from him with both clips of his tv show and full sermons. Search "CrossTV/Mark Kielar Videos"

[agentorangetechno]

awesome, your channel is the bomb.

i am really starting to like paul washer aswell.

thanks for providing this material for us all.

[maninthepew]

why do people who disagree with the bible think that anger or sarcasism equals a valid point? death is coming. all of us will know for sure sooner or later. or is death also a made up myth ? death will tell us if God is who He said He is or if he is made up. ready ?

[stronzoisgay]

maybees people take up this stance is cus we see sooooo many people in this world who call themselvs christians yet walk around with there head up there ass full of self rightouness putting down...judging others as loosers and devil walkers yet god says we have no right to judge others as christian people we have jesus work to cary on with by bringing love and understanding to the world.

[LaneCh]

Actually, Jesus told us to judge others.

"Do not judge according to appearance, judge with righteous judgment."

(John 7:24)

You have your facts wrong.

[stronzoisgay]

ooh ok you seem to be correct...but what about :let he who has no sin cast the first stone...,to me this means we as humans all have sin in one way or another so we are not pure enough to cast any stones at our brothers and sisters...which to me means we shall not judge another because of our sins we can not pass correct judgement...this should be left to the almighty...please correct me if i have interpered this saying wrong...thanks

[LaneCh]

Well, for example in Matthew 7:1, Jesus says not to judge, but there He's talking about hypocritical judgment. In John 7:24, He says to judge, but here He is talking about judging righteously. So the difference comes in judging hypocritically and judging righteously. The latter is looked upon favorably. The former is condemned.

[stronzoisgay]

thanks for clearing that up you to me you seem like a nice person, you didnt put me down when i got it wrong unlike a lot of other so called christians on you tube thank you for being human and not placing yourself above me

a question...so to judge righously we must first live a rightous life in the eye of god?....and second...to live righously,does this mean to live without commiting sin,to live favorubly in the eye of our god? thanks

[hennessy61]

The act of judgement is not to condemn another, but to protect the church. We are to love others, but protect the flock from wolves in sheep's clothing. And the means and methods are crucial - we're not to use gossip or secrets, but rather to speak with one another, and then with others openly. It's all in a loving manner. God Bless!

[CallCentre3294]

stronzo - also, you asked about living righteously. Romans comes to mind again - I'd advise you to study the entire letter, it's great! Paul quotes Hab. 2:4 in Romans 1:17: "The righteous will live by faith". He goes on in the letter to talk about these things and the gospel. Through the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last - Jesus Christ is our righteousness if we have faith in him. And true faith results in living right (James 2:17).

[TheSoundKage]

There is no Reason to Judge, Hashem alone is Judge.

[scottidee]

any social standards forces everyone to judge or

else nobody could make even a legal claim of either right or wrong

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this position would void all western civil statutes

[scottidee]

why do Christians expect anything other than

anger or sarcasm from non believers ?

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many times, non believers are annoyed w/ sloppy

delivery, sloppy language and / or sloppy presentation.

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instead of telling people why they're wrong how about ASKING them WHY they believe what ever it is that they 'think' they believe?

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let them define the rules of the discussion and then use the pitfalls of their own standards to share the necessity of Christ alone -- lovingly.

[bejjinks]

@scottidee I tried this with one person who believed in absolute logic and said that no Christian ever gave him a logical counterargument. I gave him a logical counterargument and he deleted all my posts and blocked me from his channel.

[Samgoose82]

If God do not need us, why God designed us then? How often you buy things you do not need? Insane, without any meaning, without any kind of information. Please, save me, Lord! - From what? he ask. Two words in question of my life. What shall I answer??

[hannaremnant]

To find the deepest satisfaction in glorifying God at all times...first break myself up

[theocratickingdom30]

Thanks for the encouragement LaneCh. It is impossible to explain how much it means by just typing brief comments on here. Thank you!

[theocratickingdom30]

What an interesting test Lane. I really enjoyed and these videos help me in my awakened state. I pray God save me!

[LaneCh]

"I pray God save me!"

It sounds like He is. Unregenerate people hate these videos. :)

[LaneCh]

I don't think you sounded rude, I just wasn't sure what you were arguing. Is thinking that CrossTV neglects presenting the Trinity to an extent in their presentations what prompted you to write initially, though?

[ProclaimHisWord]

Lane,thank you for uploading this clip,i was truly blessed.

[LaneCh]

I should be, too, but I still would like for you to clear up your definition of love for those who may have read this and are still a little confused about what you believe it is. (Myself included)

[LaneCh]

It is.

[LaneCh]

I might be mistaken, but it sounded an awful lot like you were trying to refute what Spurgeon was saying, not using it for corroboration when you began your comments.

[LaneCh]

Scripture agrees, but how is that different from what Spurgeon taught?

[LaneCh]

That's the one, and Scripture agrees with that.

[ReformedLou]

Cool, thanks for the references. I may read the Carson book first.

[LaneCh]

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but are you saying that God loves his children because they are in Christ (which is the only way to be a child of God)?

[LaneCh]

I think I deleted one of your comments by mistake trying to approve it, but I agreed with what it said.

[LaneCh]

Ok, now I'm really confused. We've shown that Spurgeon was preaching according to Scripture, that God's satisfaction is based on us being in Christ, and that God doesn't love us one time and stop but continues. I'm not really sure what you're arguing now.

[LaneCh]

Ok, not really sure what you're arguing now. We've shown that Spurgeon was preaching according to Scripture, that God's satisfaction is based on us being in Christ, and that God doesn't love us one time and stop but continues. What exactly is the point you are arguing?

[LaneCh]

Well, what I am getting at is that those who are in Christ are complacent to God meaning God is satisfied with them. Those who he is not complacent with (those who are in the first Adam) are vessels fit for his wrath which is why I shared the verse from Hebrews. Is this not what Spurgeon said?

[ReformedLou]

But I can say this, I know MY focus, which is the thrust of the video, will be entirely on God, "Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation." Rev 5:9

[LaneCh]

I'm really trying to understand what you are saying. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but are you arguing that God's love is not a "one time act" but ongoing and Spurgeon and some of the puritans regarded it as a "one time thing"?

[ReformedLou]

I admit that this is a new take to me, so I don't want to be uncharitable, but to understand. On the face of it, it sounds a bit like McBain and the Psalms - NOT the theology - but ascribing to wisdom literature something I'm not sure can be take with a didactic authority. I'll look into it.

[LaneCh]

If you see where I'm going with this, will you go there?

[LaneCh]

So, as Lou insinuated, where's the disconnection?

[LaneCh]

Ok, well let me try to make it clearer: Who is God complacent to/satisfied with?

[LaneCh]

"I'm saying that BECAUSE God sees us in Christ, He has complacency in us, and so in that respect God does "make much of us" because He sees the beauty of Christ in us, due to that union."

I might be a little confused, but is that not what Spurgeon saying that God looks upon those who believe in Christ in complacency, too?

[LaneCh]

"I certainly did not mean God has complacency in us because of our works; that would be heresy."

I know. I put that because Spurgeon was explaining who would be fit for God's wrath and who God looks on with complacency or satisfaction.

[LaneCh]

The writer of Hebrews also bluntly wrote,

"For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. ...

[LaneCh]

FOR WE WHO HAVE BELIEVED DO ENTERINTO REST, AS HE SAID, AS I HAVE SWORN IN MY WRATH, THEY SHALL NOT ENTER INTO MY REST: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world."

(Heb 4:2-3)

Who's in Christ? All those who believe. Who's those that are not? Those who don't. Who is God's wrath pour out upon and who does he regard in complacency regarding his wrath?

[ReformedLou]

Hi ReformedApologian, I'm not sure where the disconnect is between God's complacent love of His elect and this video. If we're approved in Christ, and for Christ, what's wrong with the message? Are you saying we should place some more focus than what the video emphasizes on loving ourselves, because we're loveable in God's eyes?

[LaneCh]

I was able to find it and when I read it in context, I understood what he was saying. Here are the lines before and after:

"We were crucified in him and buried with him, and to make it still more wonderful, we are risen with him and have even ascended with him to the seats on high. (Ephesians 2:6.) It is thus that the Church has fulfilled the law,..."

[LaneCh]

"...separate from her covenant head. As the anointed Redeemer of Israel, Christ Jesus has nothing distinct from his Church, but all that he has he holds for her. Adam's righteousness was ours as long as he maintained it, and his sin was ours the moment that he committed it; and in the same manner, all that the Second Adam is or does, is ours as well as his, seeing that he is our representative."

[LaneCh]

Complacency (the definition I looked up) says "the feeling you have when you are satisfied" which, if you use in Spurgeon's sermon, makes perfect sense because he is satisfied with those who are in Him meaning that they are not the "objects of His wrath fit for destruction". He is satisfied with them not because of works of righteousness they have done, but because of their belief in Him which is exactly what Spurgeon was explaining in his sermon.

[LaneCh]

I searched the sermon and found no such quote, but I did find:

"If God has thus dealt tenderly with us, we see clearly how truly He loves us. Why does a mother love her child? There are many reasons, but one is this---because she has done so much for it. It is a strange thing, in human nature, that if anybody does you a kindness, you may foget him, and be ungrateful. ...

[LaneCh]

But if you bestow a kindness on a person, you will love him and remember him. It is not the receiver generally that is certain to give love, it is the giver of kindness who binds himself to the other. A mother must love her child because she has done so much for it. She has suffered, and she has cared so much that she must love it. The more you have done for a person the better you love him. ...

[LaneCh]

Now Jesus does not love us because of anything good in us, but today He loves because He has done so much for us. He has taken the yoke from our necks. He has laid meat unto us. he has drawn us with bands of love, and cords of a man---and having spent so much love on us---He loves us dearly. Jesus who suffered so much, is bound to us by new bonds. Calvary is not only the fruit of His love but the root of fresh love." - Spurgeon (Bands of Love)

[LaneCh]

That sounds nothing like complacency.

(If we continue this, Lord willing, we will keep this here because there are people who read these comments and may be edified by what is said, but let's do keep it one at a time so the comments do not get spread apart.)

[LaneCh]

I've read a lot of Spurgeon, the Puritans, etc, and I have never found them speaking of a complacent love to His people, but rather an effective love that is active and is cleansing them of their unrighteousness guiding them in the ways they should go. Can you provide an example of what you are speaking of?

[LaneCh]

Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, ***according to the good pleasure of his will,

(Eph 1:5)

Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, ***according to his good pleasure which he has purposed in himself:

(Eph 1:9)

[LaneCh]

For it is God who works in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

(Php 2:13)

It sounds pretty Scriptural according to Scripture.

[ReformedLou]

A catechising Baptist?  All things ARE possible with God! This is a great message. It humbles me to think what the God of aseity did for His rebelious elect.