Dell 2209WA vs. Samsung 226BW

[belynochka]

дорого много брака, это и напрягает.

покупать только с наценкой при проверке в магазине.

[JoeyJoeJoe5000]

The 226BW sucks ass. I own one, and they are also notorious for shitting the bed after just one or 2 years like mine did, it started flickering, and now it has this vomit looking reddish brown tint, that monitor is done for. I bought a new Acer 22" TN display, and it's 1000 times better then the 226bw ever was. TN panels are evidently still improving.

[63Jax]

right, S-PVA doesn't suffer from the purple hue you see on IPS and TN on a black screen which is a very good thing, it is a pity IPS doesn't solved the problem yet, the glow is annoying as hell.

[tagmisterb]

I upgraded from a pair of 226bw monitors to the 2209wa. It is indeed night a day like this video shows.

[ziweiwu]

men, at least i wish i have another monitor of tn, then i forgot how much i used to hate these color shift from Tn monitor. 2209wa made me forgot all my hate. cuz i watch movies on bed a lot, didn't realize 2209wa was able to give me accurate picture when i was not on horizontal with screen.

[hovercast]

I think I like the samsung one better because it gives me privacy from angle views.

[majtymicke]

The viewing angles almost got me sexually excited! xD

[wrangleroooo]

Hello, I see that this monitor is great, but how do you like watching movies on your Dell?

[silentzero7]

I am interested in the DELL 2209WA but I heard a lot of some noice when the brightness is not 100%, how are your experience with this?

[higedigdag]

@silentzero7 i have now noise-problems :) maybe it is not on all devices

[silentzero7]

@higedigdag maybe that is the key that some models making noise...

[JoeyJoeJoe5000]

@silentzero7 The 226BW was barely a decent monitor. I owned one, but it crapped the bed, and even this brand new TN panel from Acer shits all over the 226 even when it was new.

[SlLENTHlLL]

@Dews1111

Then you had a really bad, worn out CRT. Or it was just low-end to begin with.

Fun or you that you're happy though.............

The color shift / problems on an IPS display obviously aren't of the same nature as that of a TN... IPS is better than TN... But IPS still has horrible viewing angles and black levels; the image turns grey and whiter and loses color and contrast the further you go away from a dead-on-center view.

PVA are better than IPS, but very slow...

[63Jax]

@SlLENTHlLL ...not quite right, ips is the master of viewing angles and color reproduction while pva is good on blacks and contrast, they suffer a bit of color distortion on extreme angles and are also slower than ips. there's a new matrix type from Samsung, S-PLS which has all the good qualities from both of those. anyway they're light ears away from TN shit, which i have now...

[SlLENTHlLL]

@63Jax

Yeah, all LCDs (including VA panels) have crappy viewing angles compared to CRT... but IPS have that weird glow thing going on... it's so annoying. Search for "IPS glow" (for lack of a better term) here.

VA panels have also have that glow OR RATHER it's not really a glow to begin with but just some effect that appears as if it's glowing... on IPS that is... on VA it's less pronounced and instead of glowing (white or some other color) it turns darker instead, which is less annoying.

[SlLENTHlLL]

@63Jax

So... while it may be argued that IPS possibly have better viewing angles than PVA... because of steadier color... that is rendered meaningless when you look from even just a tiny angle and the screen starts turning whiter... so in effect they don't really have good viewing angles.

I was at some store..... they had a ~$5000 TV there, and the viewing angles were shit... so pathetic.

No way that Samsung or anyone else is gonna create CRT-like angles on an LCD anytime soon...

[SlLENTHlLL]

@63Jax

We'll probably have to wait for OLED to get good viewing angles without any glow/hue or other weird stuff happening... but I won't be surprised if OLED turns out to be really slow or something... like it have a huge input lag or slow response time.

A real RGB-LED (full backlit array, not sidelit) should also create good viewing angles, but so far all LED displays are just sidelit and not RGB... just white.

[SlLENTHlLL]

@63Jax hmmm... I just read this "OLED can have less than a 0.01ms response time." --- sounds good.

[63Jax]

@SlLENTHlLL yep, OLED are super fast but they are expensive as a good car and we wont see them on pc monitor market very soon, unfortunately. and they still have problems with blue diodes which dies faster than the others. there is an Samsung XL 30'' which uses RGB leds, but again the PRICE and is oriented only to pros. viewing angles on an LCD will never be as good like an CRT, and is the resolution problem they only have 1 good native resolution which is absurd. we wait to see what PLS brings

[kalashnikova06]

the new U2211H is out, at $280 base price, it's an IPS steal

[3doog]

@kalashnikova06 but the U2211H has a very bad aspect ratio imo 16:9 and a very slow response time 8ms

[SlLENTHlLL]

The funny thing is... you see the difference between TN and IPS here, yeah? Well, you could put a CRT next to the IPS and the difference would be just as big.

[LooptroopRocker]

Thanks for posting this. IPS over TN, anytime. Especially when you find affordable IPS like this DELL. Getting one.

[limafilho27]

@juhazz So, as you said, for the price, the samsung is ok. but it doesn't change the fact that this samsung sucks.

[limafilho27]

@juhazz you went over the top running away from what I said, dreaming of making a point based on nothing more than exaggeration instead of arguments. try talking about something from a change, besides remembering of you eyes bleeding experience. It is this simple: nobody goes to a movie or watch tv having to face with a dark or colorless image. monitors shouldn't be any different. It's not the end of the world if it happens, but it isn't good either.

[juhazz]

@limafilho27 i think people will get irritated more from watching a skewed screen from the side than the actual bad color producing. but yeah, TN sucks when you got to watch below the center line (gets dark) , but that is still fixable simply by twisting the stand.

[alien0verlord]

Actually most Dell monitors use Samsung panels, that's why the UltraSharp models are so good.

Wikipedia Dell_monitors

ctrl+f samsung

[MegaStuff]

It has an LG panel...

[jateusz]

w samsung'u 226bw wyłączone jest MagicColor dlatego są takie blade kolory

[Leopardipzg]

i wish u had tested the backlight bleed differences

[b3Escape]

the only thing that god forsaken company has done right. looks like i made a good choice.

[Ancelot360]

DELL 2209W FWT!

[adrianvdb]

i've had a Samsung 226BW for about 4 years now. it's great. I love it. The collors are the same now as they are when i bought it.

[Arenovalis]

I used to have a 226BW for years, but now that I have a really good monitor (Dell U2410) I realize how shitty the 226BW in reality was. The colours are not too accurate or anything, the only good thing about it is the responsiveness.

[adrianvdb]

I'm not a gamer or anything, i'm a music producer. So for me its more then fine. Its wide so it shows a long range of the tracks and it can fit many chanells without having to scroll sideways witch is really irritating while working. And the blue onswitch is so sexy i just went for it. I don't regret it at all. I might buy a second one.

[63Jax]

i have an 226bw i hate it, this dell is very cheap and good

[koko56]

I'd like to see the Dell G2410 and and the 2209WA side by side.

[JetSetForLife]

@koko56

I have the Dell G2410, the colors suck my really old HPvs17 monitor that came with a compaq computer had better colors

regret buying it :(

[koko56]

Oh... damn sorry to hear that.

BUT - is it plugged in with VGA or a DVI cable?

[JetSetForLife]

@koko56

with dvi, I suggest you actually go see the monitors in a store to see if the colors fit your taste I really bought my G2410 because it was on sale

I may have exaggerated when I said they suck but sometimes some greys seem to have a hint of brown and flesh tones seem to be yellower

[bigbradford69]

wow

[noooooooooam]

0:24.. that's why dell is better..

[adeath13]

It has nothing to do with it being Dell, the Samsung fades because its a TN panel, the dell is E-IPS panel and costs a bit more money. Can easily see the difference in colour and viewing angle.

[juhazz]

You actually ever watch any monitor from that angle?

[nwstud31]

Exactly. If someone wants to pay 5x more for an IPS so they can view their monitor while sitting on the ceiling then go for it.

[heavypeki]

@nwstud31 IPS panels are not well-known only for their good or should i say best viewing angles, they are best known for good and natural color reproduction. Photographers and designers using them. They are essential.

[Enisey]

I watch from the couch and TN goes completely dark, so yeah (vertical) angles do matter.

[limafilho27]

@juhazz sometimes people end up watching from every possible angle simply because their heads move. the head is not frozen over the neck. small head movements make a big difference. and you don't need to go to the extreme left or right (up or down) to have a bad experience on that samsung monitor. just a little bit can already spoil the whole thing. and we don't always want to watch from the regular and expected angle. do you? plus, samsung has always made bad monitors. I've got tons of proof.

[juhazz]

@limafilho27 If you are that demanding user that by looking at that decent samsung five inches off the center will make your eyes bleed, of course you buy a IPS or MVA panel tft with double-sized price label. But still you got to admit that TN is well enough for most people in NORMAL use, (and btw i got tons of proof of this) do not count professional photo editing etc here..

[Torikkaa]

Well the 226BW is from 2006 if I'm not wrong.. not really a fair compare. Show us a new TN! :)

[jodase01]

it doesn't really matters Torikkaa, most TN panels offer poor image quality.

[koko56]

It's only really poor if you are incredibly anal about monitors...

[jodase01]

@koko56

naaaaaa, this is boring...

see you bitch!

[FormulaOneSpy]

It's only good if you are a blind person.

[koko56]

Oh, please?

The 226BW was a very well regarded monitor.

A TN panel is a TN panel, just IPS is an IPS panel.

[FormulaOneSpy]

Did I misunderstood something? Like you now said, TN is TN, and it doesnt really matter what TN display is in this comparison. It would still clearly show the downfalls of TN technology.

[Zico10101010]

yes dell is better it have more contrast dell is the best monitors

[drinkmalk]

Nice video. Obviously the 2209WA would win out in video angles. It would have been interesting if you spent some time with a straight forward shot so we could compare vibrancy, and to some extent, color accuracy.

[jeffhanson1]

Beautiful example of the difference between e-IPS and TN panels!

[wehat]

They both have input lag, the IPS probably a few ms worse than the TN.

Still, I'd love an IPS panel, they're beautiful.

[dvsv001]

6ms (GTG) IPS = 2ms TN(Black to white)

[shena777]

＞2ms TN

is this GTG?

normal TN BTW 5ms.

[Nickarrrrr]

Well, the Dell is about 100€ more and 4ms of reaction less

So each of those screens has its pros and cons

[AppleRebel]

Dell is kickass...

[zarrow50]

so what! most people view from the same place anyway.

[peeeete]

wow the dell is great, I have the 226bw

[flintstone84]

Thanks for the comparison video!

[SSEi02]

Wow.