Ben Lowrey vs. Police Chief - Going to Trial

[doiremick86]

but the judge listened to me, took me on board, said I was right and still gave me the fine. He also said I was right that the cops made at least 3 errors each and didn't dismiss it on that point either, he also said I was right that the legal entity (birth cert) is our vessel for the public venue and not us...I still got the fine because as he said...it's the law...even though he agreed my arguement has a basis in a higher law...shit or what?

[doiremick86]

I used case law and also a constitution to make my arguement, I quoted the right to self-determination, one case says along the lines of the court must observe it's a principal right, another case says it gives us the right to do stuff morally and physically harmful to ourselves provided we're not causing harm to others, the constitution says that it's a fundemental right and gives us the right to choose to be Irish or British or both if we so choose, we can also choose none and it's our right..

[doiremick86]

You're more than welcome to skype me or whatever and pick my brain, I've just came out of court, got a £300 fine for cultivation&possession, I had a fun time questioning the cops and they were stuttering and stammuring all the way...you just have to be prepared and stay the course, if you don't want to get a chat then just be prepared for the fact that the judge is going to just continue on and do whatever he/she wants no-matter how well reasoned you're arguement is..explanation in next comment.

[ChristinaBuchanan]

mens reah

[doiremick86]

@ChristinaBuchanan Is the mental capacity to know you commited a wrong...where's the wrong?

[ChristinaBuchanan]

hey Ben try looking up mena reah might be spelled wrong but if you read on it might be very usefull

[reksub10]

the bottom line is ben (i am on your side by the way) but the fact remains the law of this land is not for anyone except for baron or above ..we are still serfs as are the pigs that stole youre bike .(thats why they say your nicked when arrested cos they are stealing you) anyway no one under baron can use the freeman doctrine as we are not free men ,but we will keep chipping away,youd be better going after the cuntsttuble's(del) that took the bike ....good luck anwyway mate take care

[dubby13]

Ben have you had a look at "Freedom is more than a 7 letter word" by Veronica Chapman.

Google it.

[1dosucol1]

Was "lawfully" seized ?It was "Legally" seized.

So they reckon ben lowrey's motorbike was seized under the COMMON LAW ?

Where did she find her qualifications,in a kinder egg .Very bizarre

[bondsan]

i'd like to know what you are doing about the forced subjugation to crown legislation

sub·ju·gate (sbj-gt)

tr.v. sub·ju·gat·ed, sub·ju·gat·ing, sub·ju·gates

1. To bring under control; conquer. See Synonyms at defeat.

2. To make subservient; enslave.

you know for a fact the last word is against every law of every land !

[fatalist6o9]

I wish you luck, if successful you will be setting a huge precedent! I'm sorry to say I think your argument will most probably be ignored in court, even though you are in the right. My advice to you would be to try and get as much media attention as you possibly can. The more people hear your argument, the more they start asking their own questions. If you win, they will feel more empowered. It would be a good catalyst regardless of the ruling in court, if you have good media coverage!

[benlowreyhimself]

@fatalist6o9

that is a great suggestion regarding media / PR . thanks

[fatalist6o9]

@benlowreyhimself Don't mention it. ;-)

[MrDefiance000]

well done for doing it! I wish you all the very very best! Good to see someone standing up for what is right.

[KrakkersBB]

Hit wrong button, sorry. You'll want them to have copies of your notices so that jurisdiction is not in doubt. Most courts will want to operate under statute and will try to trick you into consenting.

[KrakkersBB]

You will want to ensure that the court and its magistrates have copies of your notices

[TheBoogiemaster]

Hi Ben. I think I heard you mention that they are calling some special expert in for some reason. Well when I filed some defense motions in my last case concerning my drivers license they called in a special magistrate. She was trying to test my informatin skills on private vs public. But it was all done in a careful way. I objected to anything I didnt like and I won. The case was dismissed. And I showed the court my Registered Indemnity Bond.

[wesmatron]

1) Interestingly their expert witness is merely there to state the value of the bike (Section E)...why would they do that if they didn't suspect they were going to end up paying for it?

2) Some Legal maxims:

-Any one may renounce a law introduced for his own benefit.

-One who avails himself of the benefits conferred by statute cannot deny its -validity. - So, logically one who waives the benefits...

[wesmatron]

@wesmatron - Consent makes the law. A contract is a law between the parties, which can acquire force only by consent.

- A contract founded on a base and unlawful consideration, or against good morals, is null.

- Agreements give the law to the contract.

- No action arises on an immoral contract.

- No one is believed in court but upon his oath

- An act of the court shall oppress no one

- He who does not forbid a crime while he may, sanctions it.

Hope that's something good to think about

[SuperNobby65]

Good luck with that , is the bike registered with dvla ?

[TheEkowarrior]

Don't stand behind the dock as u will be found guilty by positioning yourself there. I take it this is going to be on trial in a 'Court de Jure', not 'Court De Facto' which means u will have a Judge and Jury. The Judge will direct the trial as according to COMMON LAW, especially if you put them on there oath...then the jury will make the decision themselves, the Judge only passes sentence according to the COMMON LAW nothing else as it's not their decision as they are public servants.

[davecozzie1]

respect to ya mate.. its time we the people took this country back, educated ourselves an take the fight to them.. really hope you break through the coruption in these de facto courts and court de jure's.. brilliant ben :o). d.westwood

[waynej1407]

well i wish you all the best in your case ben.!we were in a case 2 days ago..! the courts were willing to use treats and violence .! which they did..! just for simply asking the person on the bench for his oath of office..! i need some advice if people are willing to help..! we are trying to press charges with the help of a good police man.! which he's trying on the grounds of a section 9..!

[BulletDesigna]

Ben you gota see this!! Search YT - THIS IS AN EYE OPENER - 30 Important Facts All US Citizens Should Know!

[chromebul]

"Legal Skills" by Dr Emily Finch on Amazon. Cover all the basics for 1st year law student, only 0.48p second hand, includes "mooting" which is what they call arguing your case in court.

[benlowreyhimself]

@chromebul

I just ordered it

thank you

[chromebul]

Lawyerss layer thier defence, first is a bare denial then a plan B, then they dispute the amounts so that if they lose they can try and haggle the it down. You want to ask Marc Stevens when you interview him for some advice on cross examination, his stuff is pretty good.

[texme]

@chromebul true, marc stevens FTW

[Whoisafraidofreality]

Good luck Ben

I thought of something Gandi supposedly said. He said it accepted the the physical reality of Britsh controlled government in India but he didnt recognise it. It is like the idea of the 'legal' society and its membership.

[gibbo675]

My only concern is that you have used the benefit of "Their" currency to purchase the bike in the first place.  Is there any way to claim for only the return of the motorcycle STOLEN by the Police and nothing else in a not negotiable sort of manner?

[K3ys3rS0ze]

@benlowreyhimself small claims court operates under what jurisdiction? not common law for sure, so it seems like you are trying to claim your sovereignty while granting them the jurisdiction over you, that doesn't seem right, i think you are going to lose, but that's just my opinion, good luck though

[FREEGARYMCKINNON]

Forgive me for stating the obvious but...

In the absence of proof that a private corporation has not stolen your bike - THEY OWE YOU !

[BigTranquil]

forgive my noobiness, but they seem to me like they're describing you as some kind of outlaw? (sorry, i don't have a copy of black law to hand)

[earthicastar]

I sent a questionnaire to many alleged govt employees... before I sent them Notice and Claims / Defaults / bills ... etc. I only got one reply.. from the local sheriff, saying he couldnt answer my questions about 'citizenship, history of the USA, Birth Certificate, or Rite to Travel.. but he did send me a letter back saying he would personally refer my questions to ICE.. (Imigration and Customs EnFORCEment ... Janet Napolitano... I had already sent her the same Questions / Notices, .. No Reply

[BigTranquil]

Ben, I've been following you intently on this one, all wish you every success! I love the fact you're standing up for yourself using their own system! If you're wanting people to share a video, you might be better off doing a neat recap to get folks behind ya. More power to ya!

[benlowreyhimself]

@BigTranquil

thank you

[BulletDesigna]

Good luck mate! Just mindful that the current trend of our movement towards freedom is now increasingly met with the policy men declaring we're insane!!! What a larf!

[mrichards55]

As far as I can see the defendant is not yet disputing the value of the motorbike seized. He seems to have tossed the issue over to the judge and indicated that if the court accepts your valuation of £300 then there's no need for a debate.

[benlowreyhimself]

@mrichards55

good call. yes i agree.

[Edgrot]

Oath or afirmation is not available to the public any longer. Now I am speaking from the problems of US code which is British common law mirged with the court of rome to produce the UCC. In a true free world you would file oath and afirmation IE a warrant for him.

[itsCARLDOUGLAS]

Well done and good luck :)

[Zurnmusic]

Ben, u r the real deal! I hope u well!!!! Thanks for doing this. Where's ole Winston shrout when we need him?!! I support your effort!

[TheF0nz1]

He Ben a message of support from Fonz here. If you need witnesses to attend can you let me know the date via fb cheesr.

[benlowreyhimself]

@TheF0nz1

thank Fonz, hows your thing going?

[neptuneey]

Shame you've alienated so many with your outbursts. You have nothing to lose, go for it. If you bottle it and get a solicitor involved cud end up payin their costs if ya fail. Never bite the hand that feeds you ;)

[benlowreyhimself]

@neptuneey

don't tell me your opinion about who i've alienated i don't give a shit about that

[neptuneey]

@benlowreyhimself jus sayin, good luck.

[coolhandfinn]

ben go get an independant psychiactric evaluation just in case they bring a shrink and try and get you sectioned you never know why they would wanna go to court for the sake of £300,protect yourself lad

[coolhandfinn]

@coolhandfinn it happened to a girl in northern ireland over a row about a parking space with a nieghbour who was well connected and lucky for her she had an independant evaluation done as they tried to have her sectioned she had a nightmare

[deelean]

Good luck Ben, you're a brave man. I wish you well.

[Danster82]

If the police win Im pretty sure they will submit their litigation fees so be sure to submit yours if you 'win'.

[h4ppychap]

@Danster82

It's a smal claims court, you can not claim litigation fees

[taggart64]

Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.” – Matt. 19:26

[PhillipOrion]

You are the man Ben!

[benlowreyhimself]

@PhillipOrion

Hey JS, i know it's not the CiC way of doing things but i want to test this method to see if it can work.

[PhillipOrion]

@benlowreyhimself It's great. We need to keep an open mind to all kinds of remedy. I appreciate your effort.