Totally in agreement, because I did the same poll with my black and white friends that I grew up with. Looking at where my white friends ended up and how long it took them vs my black friends (including myself), and I know if it came down to skill and talent many of my black friends were the superior candidate. Of all the dreams we had as kids it occurred to me only one black guy I knew ended up doing what he wanted, and that was to become a truck driver.
This is the exact situation Im going through right now. Very perceptive. Also the school system does most of the work in setting this situation up. Boys and girls learn differantly at a young age. The school system's teaching methodology tends to favor the more verbal, non hands on learning style of young girls. Young boys need to express themselves physically and have a hands on example of the lesson being taught. And the Goverment knows this. Reading problems equal time in prison 4 black men.
Good video. I'm young and working towards success but how I see it is if you're not on my side then you're not on my side. It doesn't matter if its family or what. If your negative and trying to pre judge me then you're not on my side. As a young black man you just have to keep moving forward, keep accomplishing and staying positive. Cut the BS people out and many times these people can be other blacks and your own fam
Sigh.. I like your videos but its side comments about black women that can really do more harm than good.. Black women and men get judged quite differently, no argument there. It's a different ball field. Women need to understand that. Men need to understand that. But stop rolling my eyes and I'm good?
A gross oversimplification. and A divisive one at that.
We live in a Capitalist system. Black Men are suppose to be at the bottom, and they're suppose to be promoted as being at the bottom. Because you have a large percentage of Black Men, more than willing to play along, the stereotype will never change.
"Life is about who makes it, not about who makes it the fastest."
- T.I. from the song "Drive Slow"
So many people think in that "Get rich quick scheme" mindframe and that is very damaging. Even many the wealthiest of white men that built their own wealth didnt see the BEST money coming in until their mid 30's to early 40's.
We need positive mentors back in the community showing young people that its okay to be positive and guiding them toward entrepreneurial quest and securing quality education. They/we need to know that the world is not against us and in the event that we encounter oppressive forces our mobility shall not be obstructed. We can not afford to wait any longer..
As long as the races continue to school and live separately (a phenomenon which has become increasingly common) the prospects of such change will remain unlikely. We can no longer afford to waitwe have to determine our future regardless of whom ever (people) or whatever (finances/violent communities) seeks to hold us back.
You say "We have to grow out of it (it being the stereotypes)" I really dont think its a matter of black men growing out of it...if the power of inaccurate stereotypes, which undoubtedly hinder the mobility of the black community are to be dismantled, society as a whole (particularly those classified as the majority) needs to change their perceptions and attitudes about and toward the black community
What they wont tell you is how our justice system targets black men at a young age, sets them up with records for minor offenses that in turn hinders the progress of the group as a whole.
I do agree black men have it harder. It use to be that black men and women faced the same discrimination in the workforce, but now there are headlines in magazines, on the news constantly bombarding us with the message that black women are becoming increasingly successful, and that black men are lagging behind.
Thank you for puttin that out there! It is the story of my life as a black male professional. It is even worse as we progress than before, there is too much negative black male imagery in our society. Is this done purposely?...hmmn
@MrGaston80 yes,it is.Infact,brace yourself for upcoming drama,the more succesful you are the angrier those holding the stereotype will become with you.
The only use they have for a black man is to put up front to cover up their prejudice. They have no confidence in you and doubt the clients will as well. Many of the black engineers I went to school with are glorified maintenance men, and those are the ones who got jobs in engineering. Most quit after not being able to get a job and became public school teachers or went back to school for a different field. I know one that actually engineers stuff and he just lost his job.
You're wrong about the math and science jobs. They're even more prejudiced than the retail people. The retail people have the idea that you're gonna steal, or that you can only deal with the people who fit your stereotype. If they want to market to your stereotype, they'll hire you, but you won't advance in the company. You can be a brother fresh out of MIT and most of these companies won't fuck with you, especially if it's not a customer facing job.
Pinkk those same women who gloat will go to work in the same clothing they wear to the club...if they dont realize that they are catering to racial prejudice, then it only proves how useless they are to black people
I think people have to realize that, even as a black male, your ALWAYS going to be seen as a threat, because the majority of people are idiots(educated or otherwise).
It's not something you have to grow out of, It's more something you have grow into(societal trust I mean.)
I remember trying to get jobs and NOBODY wanted to give me a chance, unless it was manual labour, or behind the scenes(out of sight). There's no point in getting angry, it's just part of the game THEY play. Happened to all my other black friends as well.
Pinkelephant, I went through the SAME THING, so I know exactly what your thinking about, for me, the "dangerous Black Male image" probably stopped around 28. Personally I think it helps if you go gray early in life. All the while, I didn't even dress in a hiphop fashion, and handled money well(start retirement early folks, but, I was still seen as a "typical black male".
I understand that " Young & Black term" I mean when people of other races approach me it's always about a blunt,sports,black booty and Hip Hop attire. Even if i graduated from a college it's always gonna be the same but i just except it and try not to knock myself down.
@Jabbaro123, exactly, you don't have to "bathe in there ignorance", just be "whatever". If an idiot comes up and asks me a question, I just answer it and move on. You can't force people to think of you differently, it's their own journey.
That's why I said the black man needs to get their own shit. As long as we keep looking to whites for our salvation, this what we're keep going to get. Integration was not good for us, evidence of this video. As long as we keep looking to whites, those stereotypes will keep coming at us.
And don't think these non whites are any different, they take part in it too. Affirmative action is benefitting non black men. People who did not fight for or deserve.
Great Video,Pink..And I'm glad you touch on this issue,Cause no one else has done it..Overall,Much Respects!As for the end of your video with the Lakers comment?No...lol
It seems like black women initially move faster in the the job market than men. Before I got the current job I got now I remember I'd work 2-3 jobs and still didn't make enought to pay for a place to live in. But the woman I'd talk to some how had their own place and job and I was like how are they here but I'm not. In the long terme men excel higher than women in the job market but it takes time.
@MetaSensuality1983 That's what they mean when they talk about the glass-ceiling. When women can move up within a company, but only till a certain point...
Excellent video. I have to put up with this when me and my partners talk to lenders and bankers, especially when qualifying for financing. It doesn't help that I have a baby face and I'm sharp with things. It's like brothers like me don't exist to them which is very disrespectful. I know too many brothers that are doing great things across the board.
@rgood247 Having a baby face actually helps you. There was an article about that last year. Most black male executives have baby faces and\or big ears.
im saying it takes longer. so there are black men doing everything that they are supposed to be doing but not reaping any benefits because of the stereotype associated with being young and black.
@pinkkelephant Oh yeah I heard what you said... I think young black people are the worst money managers. Like you said they always gotta get it now and yes its just like that with a lot of black people. And the worst type of black person is a know-it-all-asshole.
@pinkkelephant I'll cosign that, pink. Seems that when young black males try to be more mature and conservative, we're either accused of "acting white", kiss asses or weak. Or just viewed as you said, like a hip hopper, thief, dumb angry black male. I'm 32, but I'll probably not be taken seriously until I'm 40= and my hair is gray. My time in the service taught me that I was still being viewed that way; I got out because of it.
@propheci, your the same age as me bro, and I sometimes get talked down to, but I quickly assert my age, wisdom, knowledge, and a subtle insult to put whomever back in there place.
There is a basis for stereotypes. blacks are seen the way they are because too many conform to that. Asians are seen as model minorities, because many conform to that. In order for a race to gain more respect that race has to be more independently sufficient. But a black mans idea of accomplishment is that what is found within white society. It is why you have to separate yourselves from other black people to do it, making it hard for the young generation left behind to identify with you all.
@pinkkelephant The young identify with the violent gangsters, thugs, drug dealers etc and fall into that cycle because they are there, they play an active role in their communities. While upstanding black people strive to make it in white communities. Even if you had more people pushing to make it in the science/maths field it would not change much because they still have your communities you have neglected to feed the stereotype. It is why you all will always be at the bottom and seen that way
Totally in agreement, because I did the same poll with my black and white friends that I grew up with. Looking at where my white friends ended up and how long it took them vs my black friends (including myself), and I know if it came down to skill and talent many of my black friends were the superior candidate. Of all the dreams we had as kids it occurred to me only one black guy I knew ended up doing what he wanted, and that was to become a truck driver.
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This is the exact situation Im going through right now. Very perceptive. Also the school system does most of the work in setting this situation up. Boys and girls learn differantly at a young age. The school system's teaching methodology tends to favor the more verbal, non hands on learning style of young girls. Young boys need to express themselves physically and have a hands on example of the lesson being taught. And the Goverment knows this. Reading problems equal time in prison 4 black men.
logician3 1 year ago 2
Good video. I'm young and working towards success but how I see it is if you're not on my side then you're not on my side. It doesn't matter if its family or what. If your negative and trying to pre judge me then you're not on my side. As a young black man you just have to keep moving forward, keep accomplishing and staying positive. Cut the BS people out and many times these people can be other blacks and your own fam
nothing5630 1 year ago
Sigh.. I like your videos but its side comments about black women that can really do more harm than good.. Black women and men get judged quite differently, no argument there. It's a different ball field. Women need to understand that. Men need to understand that. But stop rolling my eyes and I'm good?
A gross oversimplification. and A divisive one at that.
likecrunchyness 1 year ago
We live in a Capitalist system. Black Men are suppose to be at the bottom, and they're suppose to be promoted as being at the bottom. Because you have a large percentage of Black Men, more than willing to play along, the stereotype will never change.
Mhendeb 1 year ago
we will always be perceived as idiots by whites and black women.
JEEminn3000 1 year ago
"Life is about who makes it, not about who makes it the fastest."
- T.I. from the song "Drive Slow"
So many people think in that "Get rich quick scheme" mindframe and that is very damaging. Even many the wealthiest of white men that built their own wealth didnt see the BEST money coming in until their mid 30's to early 40's.
tha2ndchance 1 year ago
part 3
We need positive mentors back in the community showing young people that its okay to be positive and guiding them toward entrepreneurial quest and securing quality education. They/we need to know that the world is not against us and in the event that we encounter oppressive forces our mobility shall not be obstructed. We can not afford to wait any longer..
kiwi856 1 year ago
part 2
As long as the races continue to school and live separately (a phenomenon which has become increasingly common) the prospects of such change will remain unlikely. We can no longer afford to waitwe have to determine our future regardless of whom ever (people) or whatever (finances/violent communities) seeks to hold us back.
kiwi856 1 year ago
part 1
You say "We have to grow out of it (it being the stereotypes)" I really dont think its a matter of black men growing out of it...if the power of inaccurate stereotypes, which undoubtedly hinder the mobility of the black community are to be dismantled, society as a whole (particularly those classified as the majority) needs to change their perceptions and attitudes about and toward the black community
kiwi856 1 year ago
What they wont tell you is how our justice system targets black men at a young age, sets them up with records for minor offenses that in turn hinders the progress of the group as a whole.
blessednhm 1 year ago
I do agree black men have it harder. It use to be that black men and women faced the same discrimination in the workforce, but now there are headlines in magazines, on the news constantly bombarding us with the message that black women are becoming increasingly successful, and that black men are lagging behind.
blessednhm 1 year ago
Thank you for puttin that out there! It is the story of my life as a black male professional. It is even worse as we progress than before, there is too much negative black male imagery in our society. Is this done purposely?...hmmn
MrGaston80 1 year ago
@MrGaston80 yes,it is.Infact,brace yourself for upcoming drama,the more succesful you are the angrier those holding the stereotype will become with you.
harkying99 1 year ago
The only use they have for a black man is to put up front to cover up their prejudice. They have no confidence in you and doubt the clients will as well. Many of the black engineers I went to school with are glorified maintenance men, and those are the ones who got jobs in engineering. Most quit after not being able to get a job and became public school teachers or went back to school for a different field. I know one that actually engineers stuff and he just lost his job.
hurricanehaynes 1 year ago
You're wrong about the math and science jobs. They're even more prejudiced than the retail people. The retail people have the idea that you're gonna steal, or that you can only deal with the people who fit your stereotype. If they want to market to your stereotype, they'll hire you, but you won't advance in the company. You can be a brother fresh out of MIT and most of these companies won't fuck with you, especially if it's not a customer facing job.
hurricanehaynes 1 year ago
Pinkk those same women who gloat will go to work in the same clothing they wear to the club...if they dont realize that they are catering to racial prejudice, then it only proves how useless they are to black people
blkskin1 1 year ago
I think people have to realize that, even as a black male, your ALWAYS going to be seen as a threat, because the majority of people are idiots(educated or otherwise).
It's not something you have to grow out of, It's more something you have grow into(societal trust I mean.)
moebigsley1976 1 year ago
I remember trying to get jobs and NOBODY wanted to give me a chance, unless it was manual labour, or behind the scenes(out of sight). There's no point in getting angry, it's just part of the game THEY play. Happened to all my other black friends as well.
moebigsley1976 1 year ago
Pinkelephant, I went through the SAME THING, so I know exactly what your thinking about, for me, the "dangerous Black Male image" probably stopped around 28. Personally I think it helps if you go gray early in life. All the while, I didn't even dress in a hiphop fashion, and handled money well(start retirement early folks, but, I was still seen as a "typical black male".
moebigsley1976 1 year ago
I understand that " Young & Black term" I mean when people of other races approach me it's always about a blunt,sports,black booty and Hip Hop attire. Even if i graduated from a college it's always gonna be the same but i just except it and try not to knock myself down.
Jabbaro123 1 year ago
@Jabbaro123, exactly, you don't have to "bathe in there ignorance", just be "whatever". If an idiot comes up and asks me a question, I just answer it and move on. You can't force people to think of you differently, it's their own journey.
moebigsley1976 1 year ago
Lol exactly and i don't because speaking to them will cause your head to burst.
Jabbaro123 1 year ago
That's why I said the black man needs to get their own shit. As long as we keep looking to whites for our salvation, this what we're keep going to get. Integration was not good for us, evidence of this video. As long as we keep looking to whites, those stereotypes will keep coming at us.
And don't think these non whites are any different, they take part in it too. Affirmative action is benefitting non black men. People who did not fight for or deserve.
kizzmac 1 year ago 2
Great Video,Pink..And I'm glad you touch on this issue,Cause no one else has done it..Overall,Much Respects!As for the end of your video with the Lakers comment?No...lol
chenderson30 1 year ago
It seems like black women initially move faster in the the job market than men. Before I got the current job I got now I remember I'd work 2-3 jobs and still didn't make enought to pay for a place to live in. But the woman I'd talk to some how had their own place and job and I was like how are they here but I'm not. In the long terme men excel higher than women in the job market but it takes time.
MetaSensuality1983 1 year ago
@MetaSensuality1983 That's what they mean when they talk about the glass-ceiling. When women can move up within a company, but only till a certain point...
OneSummerSky 1 year ago
Nothing but the truth spoken in this vid. Around the 6:28 mark ... i've had that exact same conversation with my family.
aloge 1 year ago
Excellent video. I have to put up with this when me and my partners talk to lenders and bankers, especially when qualifying for financing. It doesn't help that I have a baby face and I'm sharp with things. It's like brothers like me don't exist to them which is very disrespectful. I know too many brothers that are doing great things across the board.
P.S. you didn't have to add that laker shoutout.
rgood247 1 year ago
@rgood247 Having a baby face actually helps you. There was an article about that last year. Most black male executives have baby faces and\or big ears.
hurricanehaynes 1 year ago
All of the ''RACIST'' people from all of the other races put our race in a judgmental box because we allow them to do that.
4LOSTSOULSONLY 1 year ago
@4LOSTSOULSONLY How so?
sterlingg23 1 year ago
So youre saying that noone gives young black men a chance.
JuggB 1 year ago
@JuggB
im saying it takes longer. so there are black men doing everything that they are supposed to be doing but not reaping any benefits because of the stereotype associated with being young and black.
pinkkelephant 1 year ago 4
@pinkkelephant Oh yeah I heard what you said... I think young black people are the worst money managers. Like you said they always gotta get it now and yes its just like that with a lot of black people. And the worst type of black person is a know-it-all-asshole.
JuggB 1 year ago
@pinkkelephant I'll cosign that, pink. Seems that when young black males try to be more mature and conservative, we're either accused of "acting white", kiss asses or weak. Or just viewed as you said, like a hip hopper, thief, dumb angry black male. I'm 32, but I'll probably not be taken seriously until I'm 40= and my hair is gray. My time in the service taught me that I was still being viewed that way; I got out because of it.
propheci 1 year ago 2
@propheci, your the same age as me bro, and I sometimes get talked down to, but I quickly assert my age, wisdom, knowledge, and a subtle insult to put whomever back in there place.
moebigsley1976 1 year ago
@propheci Sorry brother,I'm 44 and it wont change.
harkying99 1 year ago
There is a basis for stereotypes. blacks are seen the way they are because too many conform to that. Asians are seen as model minorities, because many conform to that. In order for a race to gain more respect that race has to be more independently sufficient. But a black mans idea of accomplishment is that what is found within white society. It is why you have to separate yourselves from other black people to do it, making it hard for the young generation left behind to identify with you all.
bravalious 1 year ago
@pinkkelephant The young identify with the violent gangsters, thugs, drug dealers etc and fall into that cycle because they are there, they play an active role in their communities. While upstanding black people strive to make it in white communities. Even if you had more people pushing to make it in the science/maths field it would not change much because they still have your communities you have neglected to feed the stereotype. It is why you all will always be at the bottom and seen that way
bravalious 1 year ago