...so was the name change of the former corporation GOVERNMENT OF CANADA, as is apparently now on all official government letter heads now reading THE HARPER GOVERNMENT a legal way to escape strict liability accountability ?
~as in corporate bankruptcy filling or Libyan War Reparations with the hesionization of our NATO peackeepers ?
=wounder which letter head was used to stand down our British Columbia Radiological monitoring system, 18 hours before Fukushma Radioactive Fallout rained down
@ddub900. Yeah I think we should separate from the east too. Let's draw a line down the continental divide and let Alberta and all the other easterners go.
FUCK. OFF. Lets give the Koch brothers even more to salivate over. Get your dim fucking self educated, motherfucker. 'Libertarianism' is feudalism. Wake the fuck up.
I'm praying for anything other than a Liberal government. I don't think this country can take another term of slimy, greasy, Liberals. I would prefer a separatist party over Iggy and his band of tax and spend Liberals. I think western Canada has had enough and would be better off separating from the east. Draw a line between Manitoba and Ontario and let western Canada move forward into prosperity..Just my thoughts
@withoneglowingheart I'm open to the fact that the government is too big, that money is badly spended and that the present government is very bad. But we won't find the solution in drastic, archaic and mythical polical views, a political system based on good sense, that isn't bought by the wealthy for their own fortune is on my point of view a far better than destroying the government and replacing it by a monster far worse
@withoneglowingheart So once again you totally misread me keeped what YOU wanted and talked about myths of a utopia where everyone is for himself. There is a deep correlation with abusive personal freedom and no freedom at all and I don't shit that out of a fantasy book somewhere. And you are wrong affirming that if the economy is bad it is because there is no absolute free market. This affirmation just lacks analysis.
@withoneglowingheart Your vison of freedom and my vision of freedom diverges. Your political vies are famous in countries with common law and its understandable that provided with different education a speed limit on the highway is for you the most unreasonable prjudice to YOUR YOU ALONE LITTLE PERSONS liberty. But point is, giving YOU the right to drive like crazy on roads and killing someone takes away HIS liberty of live, thus there are speed limits, this exemple applies in many situations.
@kristopheraugust The political spectrum is a pretty modern concept accentuated by the cold war, and people have been amusing themselves to find their place on this spectrum, but lets be honnest societies and values are complex and can hardly be represented by: Left-center-right. But for fun I'd be left wing.
@withoneglowingheart In the same way, a totally free market isn't free at all. Any economy need regulations and laws that ensure the market is TRULY FREE. YOUR free market doesn't exist.
@withoneglowingheart Friend, you are heavily involved in a political ideology. You yell that free market is THE way but you don't even know what freedom is. Also you totally misread what I've said, or you purposefully keep what you wanted which is pretty cheap. Do I have to give you a philosophy course? Do you know a little about anthropology? Total freedom = absence of freedom. You should definitely read Rousseau, Entire independence = entire dependence.
@withoneglowingheart I believe your movement is just like any other, you have extremist ideas you want to blow up the house but you will rebuild it on its old foundations. Imperfections exist because there is perfection and perfection exist because we have dreams. Reality is: everything have its ups and downs, nothing is better than something else, but WE as a society must choose our political ideologies based on our values and not hopelessness and dreams.
@withoneglowingheart Free market is a myth. and I didn't reveal my economic ideologies so it seems you are prompt to judge things you don't know. I believe Rousseau's writing in what motivate humans is bright but I don't totally agree with it, it was in advance with its time in 1750s though. A market that is too free is just as a market that isn't free at all: They create great inequalities and both have their own problems relied to the fact that humans are neither entirely free or controlled
@withoneglowingheart In the first few words we share I thought you had diverging political and ideological opinions but its not really this as I see. You are dreaming of a Utopic paradise based on the good will and intentions of all the classes of society. Hum I'm not into this kind of speech. Go read Rousseau, my whole ideology is based on is writings, and for your info capitalistic, all free market are the least free, and most corrupt form of society.
Until the control of the issue of currency and credit is restored to government and recognized as its most conspicuous and sacred responsibility, all talk of sovereignty of Parliament and of democracy is idle and futile. Once a nation parts with control of its credit, it matters not who makes the nation's laws. Usury once in control will wreck any nation. The Bank of Canada is a private corp. masking itself as a government entity. They run Canada. Look up fractional reserve banking
@withoneglowingheart As a Canadian I would never live in neither of these countries. Inequalities, poordom, pollution, criminality. All qualities both country on each side of the spectrum have in common.
@withoneglowingheart I don't know in what kind of world you live up-there but I'll leave you in it. I believe that a fair middle inbetween government power and full total free market is needed to ensure the optimal satisfaction of all population. Like you said government SHOULD have a place and you have to realise that entirely profit oriented economies aren't more healthy than entirely social oriented societies. Lets take exemples of America v.s. Russia.
Both parties are absolute garbage. Liberals take gun rights, raise taxes, flood the country with immigrants, and push multiculturalism. Conservatives take privacy rights, start wars, increase the police state, and give breaks to huge corporations.
Jack Sprat could eat no fat. His wife could eat no lean. And so between them both, you see,: They licked the platter clean.
@withoneglowingheart want to talk about education. I pay for school so I have to work. To go to school I will dept myself of many thousands, but let me tell you I couldn't go to a school in America. I definetely prefer paying 20% more in tax money later and get myself an education than have to drop school because I can't pay. How fair is this again? Rich son gets to go to school, poor sons remain poor!!!!! My point remains that government control in universal services is essential.
@withoneglowingheart Do you realise that even in the USA its governments that have control of roads. Grids would be far from effectives. Compagnies would build roads for profit, but compagnies will not want to use roads of other compagny and pay for it so they would build other roads, it would be chaotic. Secondly when I walk on the side walk I like not to pay fees, I know its tax payed, but still. And imagine you would have to buy rights to drive on this such road and on this one
@hillcon45 and in the end its the the rich guy who wins because the little students like me who earns barely 10'000$ a year would have to buy passing rights on I don't know how many grids and pay like 40$ per month while through my taxes I would have payed like none for the road system because I have to pay school, apartment, transportation, food. So I would in a way be stuck to not go to school thus ruin my future because I would have to pay for like I don't know how many services.
@withoneglowingheart Its not my opinion. Even though I believe the governments part in an economy should remain minimal, I still think essential services like health-care, police, fire protection, road building, and general security should be government governed. Just like you said a company must make profit and be competitive to remain in the market and there is no profit to do with the ones who have nothing thus we would condemned them to poordom in a 100% free-market.
@withoneglowingheart You confirm my expections. You are not a libertarian but a libertarian wannabee. It is because there are people like me that kooks like you will never have any power to influence anything. "Your kind" is wrong about history, economics and political reality. Of that I am certain and there is no confusion on my part. You are simply a delusional individual who has only a warped understanding of economics. Drop the fear mongering gurus, get out of the cult, join the real world.
@withoneglowingheart Wrong! Maybe libertarians should set up shop in Somalia because it does not exist in the real world. BTW I am not confused about anything. Now try harder than you just did why The three companies I mentioned are POPULAR. It has nothing to do with governments. You do not understand human nature just as you have a false idea about a free market system.
@withoneglowingheart Wrong! Try harder to explain why Walmart and McD and Coca Cola are popular even though they produce products that are of poor quality.
@withoneglowingheart Hey I don't need lessons in libertarianism. You are a blind follower, give it a rest or answer my concerns about it. I am not interested in joining the cult. BTW the big businesses would take advantage by sticking together at the expense of the rest of us. The motive is profit not quality. Look at Walmart today, cheap crap with no quality and designed to wear out in days so the poor dutifully return to buy again, oh and stop at McD for mystery burger. Libertarianism, ha.
@withoneglowingheart I'm aware of that. They have posted that we have a 54 million $ surplus this year, but they got it by pulling 300 million out of the "rainy day fund". This was money that was put aside when our province had a 2.3 billion dollar surplus (2008-2009). This was a surplus created by the NDP lead by Lorne Calvert. Now that they've been voted out the Sask party is dismantling all the hard work the NDP has done for this prov.
@withoneglowingheart Iknow what libertarianism means. I look at the results of libertarianism. The fact is that under a libertarian system there would be huge banks, corporations without controls taking advantage of all others especially the middle class and the poor and disadvantaged. You would be for no tax or controls for these institutions. If people could not work for these institutions at a slave labour rate, then let them die in the streets, eh? To hell with the poor and ill, eh?
@withoneglowingheart I wish I could agree with that logic, and it is rational and don't get me wrong. I am from Saskatchewan the one province that did make crown corp work. We were the only province that completely avoided a recession because of the strong infrastructure that we have been building through our Crowns for the past 40 years. Mind you thats starting to change because we have conservatives in charge here as well and they have been systematically dismantling them for short term gains
If you truly believed in the free market, you would not be Libertarians but Anarcho-capitalists! They believe that the police and the courts should be provided privately through the free market as well. If you believe that competition will ultimately provide more fair and efficient service then do you also advocate private courts and police like the Anarco-Capitalists. Check out the Libertarian Left, it is a logical approach based on co-operation instead of greed and exploitation and anti-state.
You Libertarians are so hypocritical. You think competition will avoid price fixing when everyone knows the elite rich work together to stay at the top. Always have, always will. Sure government helps them with their regulations but you show me a free market and I will agree with you. You are no better than communists. Your utopian dream has the free market competition solving all the problems just like communists have everybody sharing everything will solve all the problems.
1. By saying that free markets will not solve all the problems, you're either implying you have all the solution or the government does and I would pick the free market over the government any day.
2. Price fixing by a group of companies almost never happens, since business will not be evenly distributed to all the companies, so one or more will try to lower price.
3. Example of where freedom works: your personal life; does a central entity control every of your actions? I think not
Libertarians are just free market capitalists who want to cut all the social programs and give taxpayer bailouts to their corporate buddies. No such thing as a free market sorry! Always price fixing!
You're half-right, Libertarians ARE free market capitalist who want to cut "all" the social programs...but they DON'T want to give ANY taxpayer bailout to their buddies, corporate or not.
I challenge you to look up the philosophy of Libertarianism so you never make this disturbing mistake again.
I know all about Libertarianism. You use this free-market ideology as an excuse to cut social programs but you can't make a truly free market because of one important fact: inheritance. If the rich stay rich and the poor stay poor, How is it a free market? Also how do you avoid price fixing among any type of business? No such thing as a free market. You want a real Libertarianism? Check out the Libertarian Left! Noam Chomsky! Now that is freedom.
@augerrusty Price fixing is avoided through competition. There are several examples of corporations fixing their prices, however they are almost always backed up by government regulations and restrictions on trade. If we had true free trade and less regulations, there would be more competition than there is now.
@augerrusty In history you will find that people have the most potential to become rich when they live in capitalist societies. Before capitalism only the aristocracy had power or money and in socialist countries its bureaucrats that have the power, given to them by the majority. Heard of the tyranny of the majority? That'll happen when property rights and civil liberties aren't respected. Remember, underlying most arguments against the free market, is a lack of belief in freedom itself.
The problem of an all free economy is that the rich hold their weapons against the rest of society, divide one an other and end up employing children or taking the jobs to china so that our debt driven society can spend without earning. Government is essentiel(if not corrupted) to keep the economy afloat, enterprises serve the main goal of making money, and everyone should have the right to fail or succeed. But reglementations and government interventions are necesary.
@deprogramr The U.S. has never had a truly deregulated "sink-or-swim" financial sector, it's had a financial sector constructed to favor whomever is able to afford lobbies that turn legislators to rule in their best interests. True deregulation means ZERO government presence in the economy, period. In a free market, businesses can only survive by providing quality products at competitive prices - and since the market is free, anyone can create a business, leading to near infinite choice.
Wow, I don't agree with any of your platforms on anything. I also don't think that your going to accomplish very much until you start playing within the rules of the parliamentary system of Canada. Once you have actually formed a recognized party and secured support of at least some Canadians then maybe you can begin to reform. Getting people to spoil their ballots is counter-productive
@liberalbias100 Did you watch the video??? It is absolutely implying that I should spoil my ballot which really doesn't accomplish anything. If you are a recognized party of Canada then start running candidates. If ya can secure even one seat in the house of commons then there is a chance to start real reform in this country. I agree with you that Conservatives need to play within the rules. And just cause I say something you don't like doesn't mean I'm trolling.
Of course I watched it, the video does not direct voters to spoil ballots. Where is that coming from?
The Libertarian Party is running candidates but the election process is anything but democratic. There are real obstacles for the average citizen that wants to run.
The Greens have never "won' a seat either but they get tons of media attention and debate invites. Fair?
Regarding trolling: It's your condescension, telling us to play within the rules and such. Come on now.
@liberalbias100 "We are Libertarians, We are none of the above" It's this message that would imply spoiling ballots if there is no Libertarian candidate in your riding (which I can only assume is most ridings) The reason that the Green Party has such recognition is because they have played by the parliamentary rules and have the support of 12% of Canada and run candidates nationwide...
12%, are you serious.... where you'd get (make up) that number?
The Greens are polling at around 3.7%
"We Are None Of The Above"
Because we are unlike every other party. We stand alone, with the desire to shrink the size and scope of government. The other parties are busy promising more spending, more debt and more entitlements. The statement is not a ballot spoiling directive by any stretch.
@liberalbias100 Check out slothropia on google, it shows all of the differences between different polls by different "non-partisan" groups. Youll see that the greens range from 3.8% to 10.6%. My original 12% is an embellishment but the fact is the Greens received over 9% of votes in the 2008 election. Besides all that I was really trying to point your attention to is the serious need of election reform in this country so that there is proportional representation
First one, gov't monopoly. We disagree there. Your opinion seems utiopian or naive to me.
On the second one your definition of investing intrigues me. The line was about debt "stealing from your children". That's not investing, that's spending money you don't have to pay bills today. Leaving the next gen with the tab.
I'll check out slothropia.
But let's take our this into PMs, wpg420 is a friend of mine and we've hijacked this thread enough. I'll send you a friend invite.
@liberalbias100 ..If our parliamentary system addressed the issue that there is not proportional representation in our government than the greens would hold over 10% of the seats in the House of Commons (mind you that would lead to all sorts of coalitions like ever other parliamentary system on the planet). And I was not being condescending and my apologies if that is how it was perceived. It is honest advice. Work within the system to start reform, not against it.
@liberalbias100 My apologies, after re-watching your video I realize that it is not actually implying that anyone should spoil their ballots and therefore my original comment about working within the system holds no grounds. Again my apologies. Also, though I don't agree with any of the platforms addressed in this video I strongly believe in the rights to free and different opinions. Has your party ever considered joining the Freedom Party of Canada?? Seems like you have similar ideals
What I don't get is the disagreement"with any of the platforms addressed in the video" . They're not really platforms so to speak and they're all tough to argue against IMHO.
As to the party, I am in no position to speak for them and I have never heard of the Freedom party.
I am, first and foremost, a member of an active PAC here in Winnipeg that centres on Libertarian philosophy and a supporter of the Libertarian Party of Canada.
@liberalbias100 Okay, I shall go through them one by one. "We prefer competition instead of government monopoly" I am a strong believer in Crown Corporations. To me it makes sense that the government should be providing the services, making a profit and then re-distributing these profits back into infrastructure and services significantly lowering the need for personal income tax
@liberalbias100 "we would not stimulate the economy but stealing from our children" Well I believe that the government does have a very strong influence on the direction of our economy and by investing our money into programs that do provide more jobs (not through corporate tax cuts IMO), or promote a healthy and strong workforce. Therefore investing into Canada's future will grow the economy and leave our children with a better country than we have now
@liberalbias100 "We would not bribe our voters with their money" Pretty hard for me to disagree with a statement like that so I won't even start to try
what's your view on our insane, immigration policy.. We have third world paying jobs due to our out sourcing, what will you do with the global bankers,,tell them to go to hell, we don't owe this debt burden, canada must print it's own money debt free, we must start to manufacture products. we must kick out china from our oil fields. we must stop chem trails, we must label gmo foods. this will be a start if you do these things i might vote for you. other then that you are all from the same cloth
Libertarians are wrong about history, economics and political reality. We do not need these pro-bank, pro-big business and anti social responsibility right wing radicals in Canada. If you see one or hear one tell them to go spread their propaganda in the US and get the hell out of Canada.
@MrLibertea it's called getting the government out of our bedrooms. if you want an abortion get one, not with my tax dollars. punch in the stomach drink poison whatever, must be accountable for your own decisions period.
@lizardgizard2002 I guess your into the parties who support perpetual wars against 3rd world countries. The parties who will give money to huge corporations during economic crisis, instead of putting money in the pockets of citizens................ NDP, Liberal, Conservatives all agree 100% on these policies
@mrhappy19 Nope don't agree with any of the 3 major wars. Corporations create jobs, not you unemployed beggers who want government handouts. Nope the parties do not agree. Where do you live Kookdumb?
@lizardgizard2002 Nope, didnt mean more welfare, meant less of it.. I should have said "instead of taking less money out of pockets of citizens" I want tax cuts instead of giving money to corporations. Yes the major parties do agree on important issues: All support perpetual war with 3rd world countries (Have any parties condemned the intervention in Libya?) All support deficit spending and bailing out corporations with tax payer dollars.. Nice insult at the end, mature...
@mrhappy19 Nope, the 3 parties do not agree with supporting perpetual war. Give me a comment fron the top 5 parties that supports what you are saying. I agree with spending during crisis periods and so do most economists except for the radical right wing fringe economist wannabes. Glad my tax dollars go to saving the economy, jobs and support for the disadvantaged. You can believe me, I am an expert in this area. When you get off your mother's computer in her basement you will understand too.
@lizardgizard2002 Both the liberals and conservatives support our role afghanistan. We have been there for almost 10 years, setting dates for our withdrawal which are then extended. The NDP, Liberals, And Conservatives all support the War in Libya. War with 3rd world countries10 years with no end in sight= perpetual war. Show me a party that is for peace! The same economists that call for stimulus had no idea this crisis was coming. free market economists predicted the crisis. eg. Peter Schiff
@mrhappy19 LOL you got to be kidding...you are a Peter Schifty cult member? lol, hilarious. The guy that is wrong about history, economics and political reality. The guy whose father is in prison doing the same frauds that Pete is doing today. Good luck with that. Don't give him any money or take his investment advice though. Dumbbbbbbbbbbbbb.
@lizardgizard2002 But I guess you are an "expert" so I shouldn't debate or question any policies you agree with. (Spoken like a true know-it-all liberal.)
Aside from informing/convincing those I know, meet or otherwise come into proximity with, it's all I got. Sure it's a bit of hassle but if you choose not to vote you are effectively silencing your own voice.
Anyone take the survey on the CBC website? The one that is supposed to tell you where you stand? I'm supposedly middle of the road socially and fiscally conservative. I think the whole damn thing is rigged. The media wants you to think that you don't have a voice or that you're just like one of the major parties. Wake up. Most people in this country are left leaning libertarians. We like health care, but we don't like subsidizes to corporations.
When I tell my fellow Quebecers that I'm a Libertarian, they go ape shit thinking I'm a Anarchist or some equivalent of the U.S Tea baggers. Gosh, people don't know a thing about Libertarianism!
@stevenaudet I thought the same thing too. I saw Penn Jillette on Glenn Beck and thought Penn was a nut job. But when I looked at what Libertarians stand for, I couldn't argue. The facts are on our side.
I think people are ready for this kind of message, unfortunately, there's no money backing for a movement like this. And it's not divisive. Forget that the conservatives aren't really fiscally conservative. They ran on a divisive message of being about free markets, but the same level of intrusion into personal, individual affairs. People need to know that you can have a free market without the government being in bed with big corporations. There's a difference between capitalism and corporatism
@surfer53 i don't think people are even close to accepting libertarian principles just try mentioning scrapping the minimum wage and see the negative reaction you get. I live in Toronto and unless you're a socialist people pretty much think you're nuts.
@DeanApril14 We're like junkies in this country, aren't we? That's why we hung on to the Liberals for so long. We knew they were corrupt, but we couldn't give up the handouts. Now Harper has his own thing going. The way a lot of people talk about politics, they're like junkies. Nobody really wants to take on the system, because they're being bought off by cell phones that make you pancakes and sneakers with lights in them. George Carlin talked a lot about that.
As much as I would like to find a new Political Party I am afraid I must decline the offer to vote libertarian although a libertarian vote would in most cases be a vote stolen from Harper The problem with Libertarians is not what they are for but what they are against
Their belief in the free rein of the so called "free market". Their belief in the government deregulation of industry and non support of social programs like medicare and old age pension and public schools to name a few
It's about smaller government and value for tax dollars. You can rip on Libertarian philosophy all you want but it doesn't change the fact that our regional, provincial and federal governments are crushing us under the weight of their corpulence.
Good luck finding that new Political Party. We'll just keep plugging away, working with what we've got and making our mark.
Vote for the liberas to legalize marijuana
TheMikais 3 weeks ago
Libertarians are making big strides in the US with people like Ron Paul. The US is heading towards libertarianism.
BolnoyBratchny 6 months ago
@BolnoyBratchny and i am very jealous of them
tadanorm 4 months ago
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pablo1870 9 months ago
Ron Paul brought me here
pablo1870 9 months ago 2
And scary.
MrAlsfan5 10 months ago
Yes i hope USA votes libertarian 2012 with Ron Paul too.
JBBlitz 10 months ago
i hate the liberal party
ravensgate341 10 months ago
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...so was the name change of the former corporation GOVERNMENT OF CANADA, as is apparently now on all official government letter heads now reading THE HARPER GOVERNMENT a legal way to escape strict liability accountability ?
~as in corporate bankruptcy filling or Libyan War Reparations with the hesionization of our NATO peackeepers ?
=wounder which letter head was used to stand down our British Columbia Radiological monitoring system, 18 hours before Fukushma Radioactive Fallout rained down
docatomics 10 months ago
Want your kid in jail? If so, vote conservative.
Uncle5cary 10 months ago
@Uncle5cary retarded comment.
klimacs 9 months ago
@klimacs Guess we'll see.
Uncle5cary 9 months ago
You guys up there don't know what bad government is! Try moving down here.
christo930 10 months ago
@christo930 ...what kind of an ass are you!!!? they all stink!
muffbun 9 months ago
@muffbun ours stink worse
christo930 9 months ago
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marhoekful 10 months ago
LOL...NOT!
JimmyTheKirkie 10 months ago
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marhoekful 10 months ago
Libertarians: "get out of the way. I'm building my own damn road.".
salishsea 10 months ago
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marhoekful 10 months ago
@salishsea Yes, exactly.
BrettDunbar 6 months ago
@ddub900. Yeah I think we should separate from the east too. Let's draw a line down the continental divide and let Alberta and all the other easterners go.
salishsea 10 months ago
@salishsea Haha...I was being nice letting BC seperate with us...But now i'm not sure :)
ddub900 10 months ago
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marhoekful 10 months ago
Two questions:
If you're not like the rest of them why are you asking me vote for you?
And
Why does the music for this video make me think that Emperor Palpatine is about to enter the room?
salishsea 10 months ago
FUCK. OFF. Lets give the Koch brothers even more to salivate over. Get your dim fucking self educated, motherfucker. 'Libertarianism' is feudalism. Wake the fuck up.
kimokaker 10 months ago
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marhoekful 10 months ago
@kimokaker YOU wake the fuck up you ignorant sheep.
Read an economics textbook.
BrettDunbar 6 months ago
This is an incredible video.
chrinFinity 10 months ago
I'm praying for anything other than a Liberal government. I don't think this country can take another term of slimy, greasy, Liberals. I would prefer a separatist party over Iggy and his band of tax and spend Liberals. I think western Canada has had enough and would be better off separating from the east. Draw a line between Manitoba and Ontario and let western Canada move forward into prosperity..Just my thoughts
ddub900 10 months ago
Nice ad. I like they way they reverse the complaint about third party votes being a waste.
PissedFechtmeister 10 months ago
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marhoekful 10 months ago
@withoneglowingheart I'm open to the fact that the government is too big, that money is badly spended and that the present government is very bad. But we won't find the solution in drastic, archaic and mythical polical views, a political system based on good sense, that isn't bought by the wealthy for their own fortune is on my point of view a far better than destroying the government and replacing it by a monster far worse
hillcon45 10 months ago
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marhoekful 10 months ago
@withoneglowingheart So once again you totally misread me keeped what YOU wanted and talked about myths of a utopia where everyone is for himself. There is a deep correlation with abusive personal freedom and no freedom at all and I don't shit that out of a fantasy book somewhere. And you are wrong affirming that if the economy is bad it is because there is no absolute free market. This affirmation just lacks analysis.
hillcon45 10 months ago
@withoneglowingheart Your vison of freedom and my vision of freedom diverges. Your political vies are famous in countries with common law and its understandable that provided with different education a speed limit on the highway is for you the most unreasonable prjudice to YOUR YOU ALONE LITTLE PERSONS liberty. But point is, giving YOU the right to drive like crazy on roads and killing someone takes away HIS liberty of live, thus there are speed limits, this exemple applies in many situations.
hillcon45 10 months ago
@kristopheraugust The political spectrum is a pretty modern concept accentuated by the cold war, and people have been amusing themselves to find their place on this spectrum, but lets be honnest societies and values are complex and can hardly be represented by: Left-center-right. But for fun I'd be left wing.
hillcon45 10 months ago
@kristopheraugust I have values. Not a dot on an imaginary line.
hillcon45 10 months ago
@withoneglowingheart In the same way, a totally free market isn't free at all. Any economy need regulations and laws that ensure the market is TRULY FREE. YOUR free market doesn't exist.
hillcon45 10 months ago
@withoneglowingheart Friend, you are heavily involved in a political ideology. You yell that free market is THE way but you don't even know what freedom is. Also you totally misread what I've said, or you purposefully keep what you wanted which is pretty cheap. Do I have to give you a philosophy course? Do you know a little about anthropology? Total freedom = absence of freedom. You should definitely read Rousseau, Entire independence = entire dependence.
hillcon45 10 months ago
@withoneglowingheart I believe your movement is just like any other, you have extremist ideas you want to blow up the house but you will rebuild it on its old foundations. Imperfections exist because there is perfection and perfection exist because we have dreams. Reality is: everything have its ups and downs, nothing is better than something else, but WE as a society must choose our political ideologies based on our values and not hopelessness and dreams.
hillcon45 10 months ago
@withoneglowingheart Free market is a myth. and I didn't reveal my economic ideologies so it seems you are prompt to judge things you don't know. I believe Rousseau's writing in what motivate humans is bright but I don't totally agree with it, it was in advance with its time in 1750s though. A market that is too free is just as a market that isn't free at all: They create great inequalities and both have their own problems relied to the fact that humans are neither entirely free or controlled
hillcon45 10 months ago
Libertarian Party are no different than the Conservative Party of Canada as they are both right wing parties.
A vote for them is the same as voting for Harper.
HalifaxHercules 10 months ago
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marhoekful 10 months ago
@withoneglowingheart In the first few words we share I thought you had diverging political and ideological opinions but its not really this as I see. You are dreaming of a Utopic paradise based on the good will and intentions of all the classes of society. Hum I'm not into this kind of speech. Go read Rousseau, my whole ideology is based on is writings, and for your info capitalistic, all free market are the least free, and most corrupt form of society.
hillcon45 10 months ago
Until the control of the issue of currency and credit is restored to government and recognized as its most conspicuous and sacred responsibility, all talk of sovereignty of Parliament and of democracy is idle and futile. Once a nation parts with control of its credit, it matters not who makes the nation's laws. Usury once in control will wreck any nation. The Bank of Canada is a private corp. masking itself as a government entity. They run Canada. Look up fractional reserve banking
upsdelivery 10 months ago
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marhoekful 10 months ago
@withoneglowingheart As a Canadian I would never live in neither of these countries. Inequalities, poordom, pollution, criminality. All qualities both country on each side of the spectrum have in common.
hillcon45 10 months ago
@withoneglowingheart I don't know in what kind of world you live up-there but I'll leave you in it. I believe that a fair middle inbetween government power and full total free market is needed to ensure the optimal satisfaction of all population. Like you said government SHOULD have a place and you have to realise that entirely profit oriented economies aren't more healthy than entirely social oriented societies. Lets take exemples of America v.s. Russia.
hillcon45 10 months ago
"Lassiez faire"-(Separation of economy & state). freedom and liberty VS. central government controls and collectivism
dmhappy2777 10 months ago
Both parties are absolute garbage. Liberals take gun rights, raise taxes, flood the country with immigrants, and push multiculturalism. Conservatives take privacy rights, start wars, increase the police state, and give breaks to huge corporations.
Jack Sprat could eat no fat. His wife could eat no lean. And so between them both, you see,: They licked the platter clean.
bmays002 10 months ago
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marhoekful 10 months ago
@withoneglowingheart want to talk about education. I pay for school so I have to work. To go to school I will dept myself of many thousands, but let me tell you I couldn't go to a school in America. I definetely prefer paying 20% more in tax money later and get myself an education than have to drop school because I can't pay. How fair is this again? Rich son gets to go to school, poor sons remain poor!!!!! My point remains that government control in universal services is essential.
hillcon45 10 months ago
@withoneglowingheart Do you realise that even in the USA its governments that have control of roads. Grids would be far from effectives. Compagnies would build roads for profit, but compagnies will not want to use roads of other compagny and pay for it so they would build other roads, it would be chaotic. Secondly when I walk on the side walk I like not to pay fees, I know its tax payed, but still. And imagine you would have to buy rights to drive on this such road and on this one
hillcon45 10 months ago
@hillcon45 and in the end its the the rich guy who wins because the little students like me who earns barely 10'000$ a year would have to buy passing rights on I don't know how many grids and pay like 40$ per month while through my taxes I would have payed like none for the road system because I have to pay school, apartment, transportation, food. So I would in a way be stuck to not go to school thus ruin my future because I would have to pay for like I don't know how many services.
hillcon45 10 months ago
I would like to vote, yet there is not one party that I want to vote for, so it is a catch22. I
PackOfPeterJackson 10 months ago
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marhoekful 10 months ago
Theres a Libertarian Party of Canada? Neato I'm voting for harper because he is getting rid of the long gun registry.
zachsocool16 10 months ago
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marhoekful 10 months ago
REVOLUTION!
belagiorgo 10 months ago
@withoneglowingheart Its not my opinion. Even though I believe the governments part in an economy should remain minimal, I still think essential services like health-care, police, fire protection, road building, and general security should be government governed. Just like you said a company must make profit and be competitive to remain in the market and there is no profit to do with the ones who have nothing thus we would condemned them to poordom in a 100% free-market.
hillcon45 10 months ago
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Harper needs to go;
shitharperdid.ca ; whyharpersucks.ca
strategy:
projectdemocracy.ca ; catch22campaign.ca
Pragmatism is more important than partisanship in this case, the "Harper Government" is dangerous!
snyper256 10 months ago
@withoneglowingheart You confirm my expections. You are not a libertarian but a libertarian wannabee. It is because there are people like me that kooks like you will never have any power to influence anything. "Your kind" is wrong about history, economics and political reality. Of that I am certain and there is no confusion on my part. You are simply a delusional individual who has only a warped understanding of economics. Drop the fear mongering gurus, get out of the cult, join the real world.
lizardgizard2002 10 months ago
@withoneglowingheart Wrong! Maybe libertarians should set up shop in Somalia because it does not exist in the real world. BTW I am not confused about anything. Now try harder than you just did why The three companies I mentioned are POPULAR. It has nothing to do with governments. You do not understand human nature just as you have a false idea about a free market system.
lizardgizard2002 10 months ago
@withoneglowingheart Wrong! Try harder to explain why Walmart and McD and Coca Cola are popular even though they produce products that are of poor quality.
lizardgizard2002 10 months ago
@withoneglowingheart Hey I don't need lessons in libertarianism. You are a blind follower, give it a rest or answer my concerns about it. I am not interested in joining the cult. BTW the big businesses would take advantage by sticking together at the expense of the rest of us. The motive is profit not quality. Look at Walmart today, cheap crap with no quality and designed to wear out in days so the poor dutifully return to buy again, oh and stop at McD for mystery burger. Libertarianism, ha.
lizardgizard2002 10 months ago
@withoneglowingheart I'm aware of that. They have posted that we have a 54 million $ surplus this year, but they got it by pulling 300 million out of the "rainy day fund". This was money that was put aside when our province had a 2.3 billion dollar surplus (2008-2009). This was a surplus created by the NDP lead by Lorne Calvert. Now that they've been voted out the Sask party is dismantling all the hard work the NDP has done for this prov.
xxYetterxx 10 months ago
@withoneglowingheart Iknow what libertarianism means. I look at the results of libertarianism. The fact is that under a libertarian system there would be huge banks, corporations without controls taking advantage of all others especially the middle class and the poor and disadvantaged. You would be for no tax or controls for these institutions. If people could not work for these institutions at a slave labour rate, then let them die in the streets, eh? To hell with the poor and ill, eh?
lizardgizard2002 10 months ago
@withoneglowingheart I wish I could agree with that logic, and it is rational and don't get me wrong. I am from Saskatchewan the one province that did make crown corp work. We were the only province that completely avoided a recession because of the strong infrastructure that we have been building through our Crowns for the past 40 years. Mind you thats starting to change because we have conservatives in charge here as well and they have been systematically dismantling them for short term gains
xxYetterxx 10 months ago
YES and I believe in santa...
insideupsidedown 10 months ago
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marhoekful 10 months ago
If you truly believed in the free market, you would not be Libertarians but Anarcho-capitalists! They believe that the police and the courts should be provided privately through the free market as well. If you believe that competition will ultimately provide more fair and efficient service then do you also advocate private courts and police like the Anarco-Capitalists. Check out the Libertarian Left, it is a logical approach based on co-operation instead of greed and exploitation and anti-state.
augerrusty 10 months ago
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marhoekful 10 months ago
You Libertarians are so hypocritical. You think competition will avoid price fixing when everyone knows the elite rich work together to stay at the top. Always have, always will. Sure government helps them with their regulations but you show me a free market and I will agree with you. You are no better than communists. Your utopian dream has the free market competition solving all the problems just like communists have everybody sharing everything will solve all the problems.
augerrusty 10 months ago
@augerrusty
1. By saying that free markets will not solve all the problems, you're either implying you have all the solution or the government does and I would pick the free market over the government any day.
2. Price fixing by a group of companies almost never happens, since business will not be evenly distributed to all the companies, so one or more will try to lower price.
3. Example of where freedom works: your personal life; does a central entity control every of your actions? I think not
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marhoekful 10 months ago
ahh if only...
SDTPW 10 months ago
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marhoekful 10 months ago
Good luck with getting more than 0.3%
Fmaack 10 months ago
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marhoekful 10 months ago
This is propoghanda for right wing crooks!
augerrusty 10 months ago
Libertarians are just free market capitalists who want to cut all the social programs and give taxpayer bailouts to their corporate buddies. No such thing as a free market sorry! Always price fixing!
augerrusty 10 months ago
@augerrusty
You're half-right, Libertarians ARE free market capitalist who want to cut "all" the social programs...but they DON'T want to give ANY taxpayer bailout to their buddies, corporate or not.
I challenge you to look up the philosophy of Libertarianism so you never make this disturbing mistake again.
EriPages 10 months ago
I know all about Libertarianism. You use this free-market ideology as an excuse to cut social programs but you can't make a truly free market because of one important fact: inheritance. If the rich stay rich and the poor stay poor, How is it a free market? Also how do you avoid price fixing among any type of business? No such thing as a free market. You want a real Libertarianism? Check out the Libertarian Left! Noam Chomsky! Now that is freedom.
augerrusty 10 months ago
@augerrusty Price fixing is avoided through competition. There are several examples of corporations fixing their prices, however they are almost always backed up by government regulations and restrictions on trade. If we had true free trade and less regulations, there would be more competition than there is now.
lobsterman91 10 months ago
@augerrusty In history you will find that people have the most potential to become rich when they live in capitalist societies. Before capitalism only the aristocracy had power or money and in socialist countries its bureaucrats that have the power, given to them by the majority. Heard of the tyranny of the majority? That'll happen when property rights and civil liberties aren't respected. Remember, underlying most arguments against the free market, is a lack of belief in freedom itself.
lobsterman91 10 months ago
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marhoekful 10 months ago
I dont care what you vote Canada just needs to get Progressive conservatives out of government period.
Dondlelinger 10 months ago
@Dondlelinger You need to die.
SouthSurreyMilitia 10 months ago
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marhoekful 10 months ago
The problem of an all free economy is that the rich hold their weapons against the rest of society, divide one an other and end up employing children or taking the jobs to china so that our debt driven society can spend without earning. Government is essentiel(if not corrupted) to keep the economy afloat, enterprises serve the main goal of making money, and everyone should have the right to fail or succeed. But reglementations and government interventions are necesary.
hillcon45 10 months ago
Great video. Yes, some Canadians believe in a more reasonable level of self-determination instead of being coddled.
drchiodo 10 months ago
I read the website and I'm interested but I have some questions...
what is the libertarian stance on bank and financial sector regulation? wasn't that a big problem in the U.S.? a deregulated financial sector?
also would libertarian government evolve into an oligarchy in absence of laws surrounding monopoly?
also if pot was legal and the military is voluntary, would another country just come and take us over easily? (maybe a ridiculous question)
... could i become a gun-owning pot farmer?!
deprogramr 10 months ago
@deprogramr The U.S. has never had a truly deregulated "sink-or-swim" financial sector, it's had a financial sector constructed to favor whomever is able to afford lobbies that turn legislators to rule in their best interests. True deregulation means ZERO government presence in the economy, period. In a free market, businesses can only survive by providing quality products at competitive prices - and since the market is free, anyone can create a business, leading to near infinite choice.
withoneglowingheart 10 months ago
Wow, I don't agree with any of your platforms on anything. I also don't think that your going to accomplish very much until you start playing within the rules of the parliamentary system of Canada. Once you have actually formed a recognized party and secured support of at least some Canadians then maybe you can begin to reform. Getting people to spoil their ballots is counter-productive
xxYetterxx 10 months ago
@xxYetterxx
Who cares what you think?
It's the Conservatives that need to play "within the rules".
The Libertarian Party of Canada is a recognized party.
We have secured support, it's growing.
And no one said anything about spoiling ballots.
Go troll somewhere else.
liberalbias100 10 months ago
@liberalbias100 Did you watch the video??? It is absolutely implying that I should spoil my ballot which really doesn't accomplish anything. If you are a recognized party of Canada then start running candidates. If ya can secure even one seat in the house of commons then there is a chance to start real reform in this country. I agree with you that Conservatives need to play within the rules. And just cause I say something you don't like doesn't mean I'm trolling.
xxYetterxx 10 months ago
@xxYetterxx
Of course I watched it, the video does not direct voters to spoil ballots. Where is that coming from?
The Libertarian Party is running candidates but the election process is anything but democratic. There are real obstacles for the average citizen that wants to run.
The Greens have never "won' a seat either but they get tons of media attention and debate invites. Fair?
Regarding trolling: It's your condescension, telling us to play within the rules and such. Come on now.
liberalbias100 10 months ago
@liberalbias100 "We are Libertarians, We are none of the above" It's this message that would imply spoiling ballots if there is no Libertarian candidate in your riding (which I can only assume is most ridings) The reason that the Green Party has such recognition is because they have played by the parliamentary rules and have the support of 12% of Canada and run candidates nationwide...
xxYetterxx 10 months ago
@xxYetterxx
12%, are you serious.... where you'd get (make up) that number?
The Greens are polling at around 3.7%
"We Are None Of The Above"
Because we are unlike every other party. We stand alone, with the desire to shrink the size and scope of government. The other parties are busy promising more spending, more debt and more entitlements. The statement is not a ballot spoiling directive by any stretch.
liberalbias100 10 months ago
@liberalbias100 Check out slothropia on google, it shows all of the differences between different polls by different "non-partisan" groups. Youll see that the greens range from 3.8% to 10.6%. My original 12% is an embellishment but the fact is the Greens received over 9% of votes in the 2008 election. Besides all that I was really trying to point your attention to is the serious need of election reform in this country so that there is proportional representation
xxYetterxx 10 months ago
@xxYetterxx
First one, gov't monopoly. We disagree there. Your opinion seems utiopian or naive to me.
On the second one your definition of investing intrigues me. The line was about debt "stealing from your children". That's not investing, that's spending money you don't have to pay bills today. Leaving the next gen with the tab.
I'll check out slothropia.
But let's take our this into PMs, wpg420 is a friend of mine and we've hijacked this thread enough. I'll send you a friend invite.
liberalbias100 10 months ago
@liberalbias100 ..If our parliamentary system addressed the issue that there is not proportional representation in our government than the greens would hold over 10% of the seats in the House of Commons (mind you that would lead to all sorts of coalitions like ever other parliamentary system on the planet). And I was not being condescending and my apologies if that is how it was perceived. It is honest advice. Work within the system to start reform, not against it.
xxYetterxx 10 months ago
@xxYetterxx
"greens would hold over 10% of the seats in the House of Commons "
What a pipe dream.
Where does the "work within the system" crap come from? This implies that we are somehow operating outside the system, 'sup with that?
liberalbias100 10 months ago
@liberalbias100 My apologies, after re-watching your video I realize that it is not actually implying that anyone should spoil their ballots and therefore my original comment about working within the system holds no grounds. Again my apologies. Also, though I don't agree with any of the platforms addressed in this video I strongly believe in the rights to free and different opinions. Has your party ever considered joining the Freedom Party of Canada?? Seems like you have similar ideals
xxYetterxx 10 months ago
@xxYetterxx
I can understand the miscommunication.
What I don't get is the disagreement"with any of the platforms addressed in the video" . They're not really platforms so to speak and they're all tough to argue against IMHO.
As to the party, I am in no position to speak for them and I have never heard of the Freedom party.
I am, first and foremost, a member of an active PAC here in Winnipeg that centres on Libertarian philosophy and a supporter of the Libertarian Party of Canada.
liberalbias100 10 months ago
@liberalbias100 Okay, I shall go through them one by one. "We prefer competition instead of government monopoly" I am a strong believer in Crown Corporations. To me it makes sense that the government should be providing the services, making a profit and then re-distributing these profits back into infrastructure and services significantly lowering the need for personal income tax
xxYetterxx 10 months ago
@liberalbias100 "we would not stimulate the economy but stealing from our children" Well I believe that the government does have a very strong influence on the direction of our economy and by investing our money into programs that do provide more jobs (not through corporate tax cuts IMO), or promote a healthy and strong workforce. Therefore investing into Canada's future will grow the economy and leave our children with a better country than we have now
xxYetterxx 10 months ago
@liberalbias100 "We would not bribe our voters with their money" Pretty hard for me to disagree with a statement like that so I won't even start to try
xxYetterxx 10 months ago
We need something better, we need Liberty, a new constitution, lower taxes, less waste, I'm voting Libertarian! and ban GMO 100%
Demaclies 10 months ago
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figure our where you stand in relation to each party:
cbc.ca/news/politics/canadavotes2011/votecompass
do it!!!!!
felixxtcat 11 months ago
As much as I like libertarians, it seems the Libertarian Party of Canada just isn't as active as the Freedom Party.
what say you?
ch1kusoo 11 months ago
what's your view on our insane, immigration policy.. We have third world paying jobs due to our out sourcing, what will you do with the global bankers,,tell them to go to hell, we don't owe this debt burden, canada must print it's own money debt free, we must start to manufacture products. we must kick out china from our oil fields. we must stop chem trails, we must label gmo foods. this will be a start if you do these things i might vote for you. other then that you are all from the same cloth
yappertrap 11 months ago
Conservatives will win the election. The question is whether it will be a minority, or a majority.
jammin781 11 months ago
Libertarians are wrong about history, economics and political reality. We do not need these pro-bank, pro-big business and anti social responsibility right wing radicals in Canada. If you see one or hear one tell them to go spread their propaganda in the US and get the hell out of Canada.
lizardgizard2002 11 months ago
@lizardgizard2002 No, they are pro-CHOICE!
MrLibertea 11 months ago
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@MrLibertea I didn't say they were not. However, my guess is that they say that to gain favour.
lizardgizard2002 11 months ago
@MrLibertea it's called getting the government out of our bedrooms. if you want an abortion get one, not with my tax dollars. punch in the stomach drink poison whatever, must be accountable for your own decisions period.
yappertrap 11 months ago
@lizardgizard2002 I guess your into the parties who support perpetual wars against 3rd world countries. The parties who will give money to huge corporations during economic crisis, instead of putting money in the pockets of citizens................ NDP, Liberal, Conservatives all agree 100% on these policies
mrhappy19 11 months ago
@mrhappy19 Nope don't agree with any of the 3 major wars. Corporations create jobs, not you unemployed beggers who want government handouts. Nope the parties do not agree. Where do you live Kookdumb?
lizardgizard2002 11 months ago
@lizardgizard2002 Nope, didnt mean more welfare, meant less of it.. I should have said "instead of taking less money out of pockets of citizens" I want tax cuts instead of giving money to corporations. Yes the major parties do agree on important issues: All support perpetual war with 3rd world countries (Have any parties condemned the intervention in Libya?) All support deficit spending and bailing out corporations with tax payer dollars.. Nice insult at the end, mature...
mrhappy19 10 months ago
@mrhappy19 Nope, the 3 parties do not agree with supporting perpetual war. Give me a comment fron the top 5 parties that supports what you are saying. I agree with spending during crisis periods and so do most economists except for the radical right wing fringe economist wannabes. Glad my tax dollars go to saving the economy, jobs and support for the disadvantaged. You can believe me, I am an expert in this area. When you get off your mother's computer in her basement you will understand too.
lizardgizard2002 10 months ago
@lizardgizard2002 Both the liberals and conservatives support our role afghanistan. We have been there for almost 10 years, setting dates for our withdrawal which are then extended. The NDP, Liberals, And Conservatives all support the War in Libya. War with 3rd world countries10 years with no end in sight= perpetual war. Show me a party that is for peace! The same economists that call for stimulus had no idea this crisis was coming. free market economists predicted the crisis. eg. Peter Schiff
mrhappy19 10 months ago
@mrhappy19 LOL you got to be kidding...you are a Peter Schifty cult member? lol, hilarious. The guy that is wrong about history, economics and political reality. The guy whose father is in prison doing the same frauds that Pete is doing today. Good luck with that. Don't give him any money or take his investment advice though. Dumbbbbbbbbbbbbb.
lizardgizard2002 10 months ago
@lizardgizard2002 But I guess you are an "expert" so I shouldn't debate or question any policies you agree with. (Spoken like a true know-it-all liberal.)
mrhappy19 10 months ago
@mrhappy19 Well now I can agree with you. Listen to real experts and not right wing fraudsters.
lizardgizard2002 10 months ago
HARPER OUT!
DrH5N1 11 months ago
Voting is pointless and YOU know it.
Billyle4 11 months ago
@Billyle4
Aside from informing/convincing those I know, meet or otherwise come into proximity with, it's all I got. Sure it's a bit of hassle but if you choose not to vote you are effectively silencing your own voice.
liberalbias100 11 months ago
Anyone take the survey on the CBC website? The one that is supposed to tell you where you stand? I'm supposedly middle of the road socially and fiscally conservative. I think the whole damn thing is rigged. The media wants you to think that you don't have a voice or that you're just like one of the major parties. Wake up. Most people in this country are left leaning libertarians. We like health care, but we don't like subsidizes to corporations.
surfer53 11 months ago
@stevenaudet Je te comprends tellement.
jclaforge 11 months ago
When I tell my fellow Quebecers that I'm a Libertarian, they go ape shit thinking I'm a Anarchist or some equivalent of the U.S Tea baggers. Gosh, people don't know a thing about Libertarianism!
stevenaudet 11 months ago 10
@stevenaudet I thought the same thing too. I saw Penn Jillette on Glenn Beck and thought Penn was a nut job. But when I looked at what Libertarians stand for, I couldn't argue. The facts are on our side.
surfer53 11 months ago
@stevenaudet Hey just tell them you are a right wing radical, pro-bank, pro big business mental case.
lizardgizard2002 11 months ago
@lizardgizard2002 Yep, against bail outs but pro-bank, that's what we are! :D
stevenaudet 11 months ago
@stevenaudet Right.
lizardgizard2002 11 months ago
I think people are ready for this kind of message, unfortunately, there's no money backing for a movement like this. And it's not divisive. Forget that the conservatives aren't really fiscally conservative. They ran on a divisive message of being about free markets, but the same level of intrusion into personal, individual affairs. People need to know that you can have a free market without the government being in bed with big corporations. There's a difference between capitalism and corporatism
surfer53 11 months ago 2
@surfer53 i don't think people are even close to accepting libertarian principles just try mentioning scrapping the minimum wage and see the negative reaction you get. I live in Toronto and unless you're a socialist people pretty much think you're nuts.
DeanApril14 11 months ago
@DeanApril14 We're like junkies in this country, aren't we? That's why we hung on to the Liberals for so long. We knew they were corrupt, but we couldn't give up the handouts. Now Harper has his own thing going. The way a lot of people talk about politics, they're like junkies. Nobody really wants to take on the system, because they're being bought off by cell phones that make you pancakes and sneakers with lights in them. George Carlin talked a lot about that.
surfer53 11 months ago
Okay, i haven't been to pub night maybe I should. But who made this awesome video?
flynn2008 11 months ago
Get those bastards! :)
DrakIems 11 months ago
As much as I would like to find a new Political Party I am afraid I must decline the offer to vote libertarian although a libertarian vote would in most cases be a vote stolen from Harper The problem with Libertarians is not what they are for but what they are against
Their belief in the free rein of the so called "free market". Their belief in the government deregulation of industry and non support of social programs like medicare and old age pension and public schools to name a few
karlyaz 11 months ago
@karlyaz
It's about smaller government and value for tax dollars. You can rip on Libertarian philosophy all you want but it doesn't change the fact that our regional, provincial and federal governments are crushing us under the weight of their corpulence.
Good luck finding that new Political Party. We'll just keep plugging away, working with what we've got and making our mark.
liberalbias100 11 months ago 8
Maureen Tresting
LMFAO
liberalbias100 11 months ago 2
Vote Libertarian!!!!
tunebully 11 months ago
"We would not stimulate the economy by stealing from your children."
nice
NoJudyNo 11 months ago 3
Use your ballot as a wepon , Iove that line :) nice vid :D
MissEpod 11 months ago