Another brilliant film! I was also there in April 1990 - I spent one day in East Berlin. Unfortunately that was before I was filming everything and all I have now is my memory ...
My biggest regret is not having recorded more of my life and some of the interesting places I was in in the 1980s.
A very insightful video. I had the good fortune to visit Ost - Berlin, the fair capital of the [former] DDR, way back in 1981. I was 18 yrs old and it was my first trip away from Home visiting family in West Berlin. I also found "The Alex" to be quite something as well. Very clean n tidy. I see, here, that some things hadn't changed since 1981. Sad to see that there were still restrictions imposed upon the East Berliners. Not much longer...for changes to come. Thank you for the fond memories
Due all this dividing and inefficient economy in the former East there, i'm wondering how "Germany today" can have by far the largest economy of Europe and a higher GDP per capita than Britain and France, Isn't it paradox? ^^
@player4life1987 In order to combat capitalism the U.S heavily invested in West Germany (and Japan too, which sort of explains why the too big losers in WWII are now two very powerful nations) making West Germany quite economically remarkable.
As far as I know (im not german so i may be wrong) they have a special taxation on west germany to pay for renewal in east germany
@JDdaDJstressed The US did not invest much in West Germany or Japan, only 18 Dollar per capita were invested in Germany, while Great Britain received 53 $ per capita (France = 71). Also in total numbers Great Britain got 3.4 billion, France 2.8 billion, while West Germany got only 1.4 billion, so the Marshall aid by the US is not considered by historians to be any reason at all for the (re-)rise of Germany or Japan. Germany just regained the position it had before - like Japan - by its own.
@player4life1987 Why shouldn't it. Germany has been the biggest economy it Europe for nearly a hundred years and the economy was only effected by the partition badly in the East, where only 1/5 of the German population lived, so that hardly had an effect with the reunification in 1990. And every investment in the East to rebuild the area brought opportunities for Western German companies too to make money and grow.
Why did they closed all those stations in east-Berlin? I went to Berlin a year ago, but the difference is still big, ariund Alexanderplatz you have still many of those big, old building that look like that they can collapse any moment, and they call it houses.
They could better bring these down and build new, modern and beautiful buildings, or bringing old buildings from the great Prussian times back, wich were destroyed in WW2.
You think 20 years is enough to recover, but it is not enough.
@MaestroFire A city will never ever recover exactly as things were before. Sentimentality builds up for life as it was in the 'intervening' period.
For people born after the war who have only known the city as it was in the divided era so destroying everything they knew and replacing it with what their parents knew is not at all a welcome prospect.
A good part of it comes from rent controls, along with other gov't interventions. When there is no price flexibility, the consequence is deterioration of the living conditions in this type of housing. To fix up these places, prices would necessarily need to go up in order to pay for it. It has turned out to hurt more than it helps. Unintended consequences of good intentions...
@MaestroFire How would you feel if someone came along and said that you could not live in the flat you had been in all your life because someone decided that they were going to 'bring back buildings from the great Prussian times'? Something tells me you would not be too pleased.
I also doubt that they are about to collapse at any moment.
@MaestroFire As a former developer I can assure you that will not work. The blocks around Alexanderplatz house huge amounts of people. Maybe they would agree to moving out for a couple of years whilst their new homes were being built but then who would pay for it? And given the huge amount of homes to be constructed, the new buildings would look like the old. The only solution to this problem - if it is a problem - is to clad the buildings in some way as many have been in the former DDR.
The western stations are much better lit and maintained, and the trains are newer, but of a similar appearance. But the physical dimensions are the same - built before the war of course. It seems t have been opened for traffic 1902, only two years after the Paris metro, but some 40 years after the London underground.
There could be a VERY good reason for this - at some stage some former Berlin trains were sent to N. Korea. I think these were large profile U-Bahn trains.
@SalocinTEN That's because these old subway trains (type D build in the 1960s) were sold to North Korea instead of being scrapped after they were taken out of service in Berlin.
@EvanC0912 I'm not quite sure what you mean by 'in a travel to Germany' ...
my visit to Berlin in April 1990 was specially to film things which I knew would soon be changing, such as the closed stations in East Berlin which were served by West Berlin U-Bahn and S-Bahn trains, the Intershop shops, the historic West Berlin tram which used a closed part of the U-Bahn and the M-Bahn.
In 1990 there was no more danger of being arrested for filming in East Berlin. Also, I have every reason to believe that there were no more Intershops (shops where you could buy things for hard currency) in 1990.
In 1990 there was no more danger of being arrested for filming in East Berlin. Also, I have every reason to believe that there were no more Intershops (shops where you can buy things for hard currency).
these stations look a lot like the West 4th Street station in New York. I wonder if the architects of the IND went to work in Berlin after the New York subway was complete.
@JeffOrnstein01 well actually u r right, right after WW II some american architects came to germany and developed together with german architects big arpatment blocks, however i donno if they did so with the underground as well, but anyway a lot of (especially) american tourists say berlin looks a lot like NYC cause of its inner city architecture
@JeffOrnstein01 It was probably the other way round, because the Berlin subway opened already in 1902 , 3 years before the New York subway (and construction startet in 1896). But the resemblence is also due to the fact, that in both cites the constructions of the subway lines and station followed the same method "cut and cover" and not like for instance in London by building deep tunnels in miners fashion. Also the stations got usually an even ceiling not curved like in paris.
@telekino5 Interesting hypothesis. However, if you noticed in my post, I mentioned the IND, which was the abbreviation for the city-owned Independent subway system. The first part of the IND was opened in 1932! I think we need to find out when was the station in the video built....that would go a long way in trying to solve this mystery. And, if it matters any, some of the architects and engineers of NYC's IND system went to work on the Moscow system after the IND was complete (about 1940).
@JeffOrnstein01 There are several stations in the video: 0:05-1:10 Aleanderplatz platforms for line U5 ( opened 1930), 1:10-1:40 and 2:40-4:15 Alexanderplatz platform for line U2 ( opened 1913), 5:05-8:00 Wittenbergplatz two inner tracks for line U2 (opened 1902), other tracks/platforms for lines U1+U3 opened in 1913, 8:23-10:00 stations Rosenthaler Platz, Weinmeisterstr and Alexanderplatz, platform for line U8 were all opened in 1930. To which you are refering to as "IND style"? Probably U5/U8
@telekino5 Great info, telekino. After reviewing the video again, it is definitely Alexanderplatz and Wittenbergplatz that resembles the IND stations the most - very odd considering how much older it is compared to the IND. The other stations built in 1930, don't resemble the IND at all. So, given this comparison, it's probable that the IND's designers may have taken a look at the Berlin system. The platform scene at Alexanderplatz is nearly identical to the 8th Avenue subway. Interesting!
Great Video. I was a teenager 1980s so I went on all the UBHANs including the one with the fake wood paneling. I too came from a Marxists country and were subjected to freedom restrictions in both speech and travel but hey man that was how life was back then & you got on with it. At least DDR didn't go to war like other mad countries. I'll miss one thing about DDR, for kids it was SAFE, no crimes I mean.
The city Berlin has a Slavic not a German name. Think about Berlin how it is similar to the city of Lublin. It does not have a burg or other Germanic endings. I think it comes from an old Slavic word meaning bog or marsh. The slavic languages have words that sound like berl or brlog. Meaning fishing village or bog or swamp/meadow. The etymology of Brandenburg comes from Slavic brenna also meaning swamp. It is 100% Slavic not German, ironically.
Interesting to see the platform indicators similar to what there used to be on the London Tube - where a small section would light up with the destination, instead of an LED display that replaced them. Great video!
Especially strange appears the ride on the undergrund line U8 right through the city center where such (today) busy stations like Alexanderplatz (U8 platform) are still closed (9min 22sec) and the trains just pass without stopping. Only the stations Jannowitzbruecke and Rosenthaler Platz could be immediately opended right after the fall of the wall because the nearly for 30 years closed accesses to the stations where still useable.
Was on the Berlin U-Bahn a couple of years ago and remember a station (somewhere on the U2 in Mitte if I remember rightly) with a lift leading from the platform...to a traffic island in the middle of the road! Bizarre! Anyone know what station that would be?
Actually you find lifts leading from the platform to a traffic island on quite a number of stations. But you probably remembered the Stadtmitte station, either the lift leading from the platform of the U6 or the U2 to the street, where the traffic platforms are pretty tiny because of the quite narrow roads and you as a passenger have the impression being right among the busy traffic while walking out of the lift.
@38dragoon38 yeah, getting arrested by the stasi for nothing, being told what career you are going to have, not being able to travel outside of the eastern bloc, no personal freedoms. Yeah that is heaven. do u live inGermany? I hope not, because my countrymen never deserved to be left in ruins like this. What kind of a country holds people against their will? Letting them leave is actually better than forcing them to stay. Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit für das deutsche Vaterland!
The irony of what you just said is the fact that Germany had all of that in the Nazi regime under Hitler. Would you mind that? BTW - There's no fat people because there is a food shortage and there's no advertisements because the government owns everything. The 'advertisements' are the constant monuments of Marx, pictures of Lenin, and so forth. There's your advertisements.
One thing that got my attention was that the train doors opened before the train made a complete stop. Then the train starts again right as the doors close. In New York, the trains must wait a few seconds after stopping at a station before the doors are opened and then a few seconds must pass after the doors close before they start again. It's a safety rule.
This video is from 1990 there they can open the door earlier but today it's the same. You can open the doors already if the train drives 5 - 10 km/h (3,1 - 6,1 mph)
Well today there are only modern trains running on the lanes, with automatic doors. So nobody can open the door unless the driver allows it. A few manual-door trains where in like 10 years ago. Now they are all gone. And actually i miss them because of their very unique sound and they seemed to live because they were made of steel and wood which made sqeeky and crackle noises here and there.
I'm from London and I think about that every time I get off the train in Berlin! In England we're not trusted to take care, in Berlin you can step onto the platform while its still moving (if you want!)
a gift from London Transport? Did you mean that bus at the Wittenberg Place? It's not a gift from London. Germany - especially Berlin - had these busses long before WW 1.
Don't be like that Simon! A little gentle constructive critisism never harmed anyone. It is precisely because your film is a valuable 20 year old social record that it warrants careful editing and presentation. If it helps, your 'Berlin contrasts 2' is 1st class. My apologies if my comments hurt you feelings; that was never my intention.
yawn... OK then, maybe for you its boring. But other people here seem to find this to be of interest.
For people who were alive at the time and unable to cross from one part of Berlin to another so the events of November 1989 changed their world - forever.
I watched all this on the TV - to have it happen without a war between East and West was a dream come true - even for people in Britain. It was like a miracle.
Sorry mate! This video should be a valuable record of an important moment in history. In fact it is a muddle of dreary tube rides and unidentifiable street scenes. Why not revisit the original tape, re-edit, add proper titles and do justice to yourself - and to the end of injustice in Berlin.
@citytransportinfo Yes, I think it would be an good idea to re-record it on computer as long as the tapes work. Youtube-processing wasn´t the best in 2007, now it´s improved. BTW I recommend you the channel of user "Tunnelmacke" who has also some older vids from Berlin.
I was also there in April 1990. I had been in East Berlin several times in the 1980s. I recollect this on some of the videos I posted here but nothing is as vivid as what you have portrayed here!
Thanks, - I only filmed what I saw and I feel sure that I missed quite a lot too!
That said, I did set out to film enough so that people would see and understand the 'flavour' of the differences etc between the two parts of what prior to 1948 had been one city.
Indeed so, and at the same time most terrible, when one remembers what its all about.
I did not see the armed guards on the station platforms witn orders to 'shoot to kill', as I only visited Berlin after the wall was opened.
Nowadays (and before the wall) people use these stations and it seems so natural, so normal. Yet for 30ish years these were the bizarre outposts of two nations.
Now they need to bull down NORTH KOREA walls.... they are keeping citizens like prisoners in noth korea and they dont no whats on the news around the world... they dont have technology they simply dotn understand... they are all cominist... PULL DOWN NORTH KKOREA WALL or els ill be going there with a bull dozer and 3,000 strong men with arms to pull the wall down. Plus the president of north korea he looks like a clown thats crazzy looking.
5:00 West, Wittenbergplatz ('Witti'), platform of line U1 (small profile)
6:40 West, Witti, entrance hall - this entrance hall is one of the most elaborately designed in West AND East Berlin; had been renovated in 1987 (?) and received that retro design.
4 weeks before going my camcorder went wrong and the shop said that it would take 6 weeks to repair. So I am just pleased that I was able to be there and film this.
@Iggy3d and others: Sorry, but it seems to me you don't know what you talk about from own experience, do you? - Although East Germany was sure less developed in many areas, this does NOT AT ALL apply for the railbound public transport in East Berlin ! The municipal trains transported every day an enormous amount of people SAFELY and sufficiently COMFORTABLE. Wooden benches and openable doors (which I do miss really much, btw.) were much more common in the western S-Bahn of the 80s and 90s !
I think the most striking thing was the dulness and lack of advertising posters on the eastern portion of the network - nothing apart from some old washed out propaganda posters.
The technology and elf&safety was aslo blatantly different with a lot of manual work involved in the East whilst automation was already well advanced in the West.
"Next stop, Pyongyang, North Korea, mind the doors!"
Thanks very much for posting this. I was in Berlin in July 1990 and recognize this into the very details, several S-Bahn trains still having wooden benches and doors that could be opened by hand when the train was still running. That transition period shortly after the fall of the Wall was my most impressive visit to Berlin. Borders were open but the DDR was still existing. Talking to people on the streets in the East, showed they were very conscious. I cut out myself a piece of Berlin wall.
Warum stehen ein paar Mal Leute in der Tür bei Abfahrt/Ankunft? Zu wievielt war denn die Belegschaft pro Zug? Wahrscheinlich mußte der eine in der Mitte des Zuges dort stehen, um in der gebogenen Station festzustellen, ob im hinteren Zugbereich alle Türen frei sind, kann das sein?
The diferances can be seen on the streets of the city and the style of the subway stations. After berlin was reunified the old subway conections were reopened. The old east german stations looked like it and the western sector looked a lot newer. I was there in 2004.
I had to remove your message, because I detest swear words.
But you are right about West Berlin being as much a state of mind as a place.
From what I understand to encourage people to live there the West German (Bonn) Government said that West Berliners did not have to go in to the military.
Of course there was always the threat that one day the East would invade, and in a way this did happen - but thankfully in peace (November 1989).
Hey Simon ... I support your non-tolerance policy for prophanity ... The democratic aspect of the internet is one thing, swearing another ... However: a little correction ... The reason that West Berlin was a 'off limits' for the German Army was not to attract more people to move there, but rather the fact that it was considered a 'neutral zone', being an allied-controlled city. For the same reason, the German government could only maintain outposts of some of their branches in Berlin ... Julia
I went to Berlin recently and things still looked different in east and west but looking at your videos there is such a stronggg contrast its almost like countries on either side of the planet.
I wish I could of seen Berlin in 1989/1990 but unfortunatley I wasn't born then lol.
well - right this moment east Berlin looks fare more modern and restored and w-berlin is more run down. Prenzlauer Berg and Mitte, both east Berlin are the most trendyest parts of the town.
I kept looking for significant contrasts through all the video - and could hardly find any!! Where would you see huge differences?? I grew up in Berlin and so I know that public transport in East Berlin was certainly not worse than in the West!
true. Typical mindless western propaganda. Levi's jeans would never replace the emancipation of humanity from western capitalism but this prop takes its toll on the middle-classes.
They actually start believing that levi's is more important..
@pilotman and zashafo:ihr habt völlig recht ich selber komme auch aus west berlin und ich muss sagen ich hätte es auch viel lieber zurück.was jetzt abläuft ist doch totaller bullshit. ich habe die ganzen sachen in den letzten zügen noch miterlebt. deutsch amerikanische freundschaft in den mcnair barracks oder deutsch amerikanisches an der clayalle aber die franzosen im quatier napoleon.mehr davon wäre schön gewesen
OMG This video made me have watery eyes as I can well remember those great times! These times, where young boy scouts would be stopped by a French Army patrol near Tegel airport, these times where there were tens of American, English and / or French military police units on Kudamm, breaking up bar fights at Ku' Dorf or Big Eden... I miss these times, when going past Görtzallee and watching G.I's train at McNair...I miss the special status we had as WEST Berliners!
West Berliner did have a differnt status. It was really a strange yet awesome period to live in. To this day I still say I was born in West Berlin. When people correct me and say you mean Berlin, I say no West Berlin its more than a place of geography but a state of mind.
I read about this on Wikipedia but didn't believe it, mentioning that the ghost stations looked like they were untouched since 1961. Seeing Rosenthaler Platz confirmed this. The benches, the decor, that huge sink / water fountain really was like something from the WWII era. Fascinating. thanks for posting this!
when the wall went up the Eastern authorities poured concrete down the station entrances and into subterranean passageways to stop their own people from reaching the platforms, and put armed guards on the platforms - who were told to shoot to kill.
If they shut the stations, then how did they replace the lights on the stations? The closed ones had fully working lights, and one would assume that work was done on the track. How was this done?
no/ very little work was done on the tracks during this time and trains from the west often rode very slowly or sometimes even stoped at stations in the east in protest against this. Some stations even had the platforms completely walled off to prevent east berliners jumping on the passing trains.
I was 1 year and 9 months old then, living my last days as a citizen of the USSR and becoming the citizen of independent Latvia. I didn't live through these days and such videos like your help to see and acknowledge the changes that took place then. These should be shown in history classes because modern youth isn't interested in history as a pure facts, they are used to television and video and computer games so I think history themed video games and such videos like yours could help.
@lkrnpk When i was young i hated history with a passion, i remember very well. I was like "OMG i want to go home and watch dragon ball instead" I didnt understand a thing about the allies and the nazis and all that. At least here in mexico you learn that i believe in the last years of elementary and while in highschool. I then became interested in communism and civil wars while in university, and now i read a lot about history in my free time, and sometimes, still watch some dragon ball.
rosenthaler und jannowitz waren shcon wieder offen, mit deren großen verteilerhallen und vielen eingängen konnte man relativ schnell einen grenzübergang schaffen.
haha, I took German in high school and I remember my teacher telling the class about when he lived over there and how he got fined (riding "black" I think he called it), because he didn't have a pass for his dog!
The shop only for people with "hard currency" KaDeWe ! (Kaufhaus Des Westens)
FalconSupreme 3 weeks ago
Great video. Very insightful.
DanielVoydd 4 weeks ago
Another brilliant film! I was also there in April 1990 - I spent one day in East Berlin. Unfortunately that was before I was filming everything and all I have now is my memory ...
My biggest regret is not having recorded more of my life and some of the interesting places I was in in the 1980s.
alanheath 2 months ago
The Berlin Wall
1961-2011
NotesCollector 5 months ago
Excellent footage
dronespace 7 months ago
A very insightful video. I had the good fortune to visit Ost - Berlin, the fair capital of the [former] DDR, way back in 1981. I was 18 yrs old and it was my first trip away from Home visiting family in West Berlin. I also found "The Alex" to be quite something as well. Very clean n tidy. I see, here, that some things hadn't changed since 1981. Sad to see that there were still restrictions imposed upon the East Berliners. Not much longer...for changes to come. Thank you for the fond memories
cheswv1 8 months ago
Due all this dividing and inefficient economy in the former East there, i'm wondering how "Germany today" can have by far the largest economy of Europe and a higher GDP per capita than Britain and France, Isn't it paradox? ^^
player4life1987 8 months ago
@player4life1987 In order to combat capitalism the U.S heavily invested in West Germany (and Japan too, which sort of explains why the too big losers in WWII are now two very powerful nations) making West Germany quite economically remarkable.
As far as I know (im not german so i may be wrong) they have a special taxation on west germany to pay for renewal in east germany
JDdaDJstressed 6 months ago
@JDdaDJstressed made a mistake just then meant...combat communism soz
JDdaDJstressed 6 months ago
@JDdaDJstressed The US did not invest much in West Germany or Japan, only 18 Dollar per capita were invested in Germany, while Great Britain received 53 $ per capita (France = 71). Also in total numbers Great Britain got 3.4 billion, France 2.8 billion, while West Germany got only 1.4 billion, so the Marshall aid by the US is not considered by historians to be any reason at all for the (re-)rise of Germany or Japan. Germany just regained the position it had before - like Japan - by its own.
telekino5 5 months ago
@player4life1987 Why shouldn't it. Germany has been the biggest economy it Europe for nearly a hundred years and the economy was only effected by the partition badly in the East, where only 1/5 of the German population lived, so that hardly had an effect with the reunification in 1990. And every investment in the East to rebuild the area brought opportunities for Western German companies too to make money and grow.
telekino5 5 months ago
What does the sign say at 7:54 ?
I could tell the names were of concentration camps in the Holocaust, but what does the top part mean in English?
homestarfan2008 9 months ago
@homestarfan2008 The sign says - cities of horror/fright we must never forget -
telekino5 9 months ago
did i just saw christiane F?
TheRockTruck 9 months ago
Why did they closed all those stations in east-Berlin? I went to Berlin a year ago, but the difference is still big, ariund Alexanderplatz you have still many of those big, old building that look like that they can collapse any moment, and they call it houses.
They could better bring these down and build new, modern and beautiful buildings, or bringing old buildings from the great Prussian times back, wich were destroyed in WW2.
You think 20 years is enough to recover, but it is not enough.
MaestroFire 10 months ago
@MaestroFire A city will never ever recover exactly as things were before. Sentimentality builds up for life as it was in the 'intervening' period.
For people born after the war who have only known the city as it was in the divided era so destroying everything they knew and replacing it with what their parents knew is not at all a welcome prospect.
Simon
citytransportinfo 9 months ago 12
@citytransportinfo Well said....well said. And absolutely right too, I might add.
cheswv1 8 months ago
@MaestroFire They have no money, simple as that. :-P
hyperthreaded 9 months ago
@MaestroFire
A good part of it comes from rent controls, along with other gov't interventions. When there is no price flexibility, the consequence is deterioration of the living conditions in this type of housing. To fix up these places, prices would necessarily need to go up in order to pay for it. It has turned out to hurt more than it helps. Unintended consequences of good intentions...
trekkerperson 8 months ago
@MaestroFire How would you feel if someone came along and said that you could not live in the flat you had been in all your life because someone decided that they were going to 'bring back buildings from the great Prussian times'? Something tells me you would not be too pleased.
I also doubt that they are about to collapse at any moment.
alanheath 2 months ago
@alanheath No not in that way; First built flats outside the center, send the people there and than rebuilt.
MaestroFire 2 months ago
@MaestroFire As a former developer I can assure you that will not work. The blocks around Alexanderplatz house huge amounts of people. Maybe they would agree to moving out for a couple of years whilst their new homes were being built but then who would pay for it? And given the huge amount of homes to be constructed, the new buildings would look like the old. The only solution to this problem - if it is a problem - is to clad the buildings in some way as many have been in the former DDR.
alanheath 2 months ago
@MaestroFire well those communist blocks are historical. I think its good that they keep them so that we dont forget about the communism
MegaDjhan 1 month ago
@MegaDjhan But some are just...... Too ugly to look to.
MaestroFire 1 month ago
@MaestroFire some of this big building you've seen around the Alexanderplatz were built before the war, like two near the S-bahn station
DanilaChek 2 weeks ago
The western stations are much better lit and maintained, and the trains are newer, but of a similar appearance. But the physical dimensions are the same - built before the war of course. It seems t have been opened for traffic 1902, only two years after the Paris metro, but some 40 years after the London underground.
MowgliX 11 months ago
There could be a VERY good reason for this - at some stage some former Berlin trains were sent to N. Korea. I think these were large profile U-Bahn trains.
citytransportinfo 11 months ago
The trains look like North Korean subway trains. Search Youtube, you might get some videos of those.
They stop at only 3 "allowed" stations.
SalocinTEN 11 months ago
@SalocinTEN That's because these old subway trains (type D build in the 1960s) were sold to North Korea instead of being scrapped after they were taken out of service in Berlin.
telekino5 9 months ago
@telekino5 I see. Good to know!
SalocinTEN 9 months ago
mm.. why did the wittenbergplatz station sign use the london underground's style sign?
EvanC0912 11 months ago
@EvanC0912 It was a gift from London Transport - I think they gave it in 1968.
citytransportinfo 11 months ago
@citytransportinfo
ooh.. then it laid on the british sector i assume..
you got a great recording btw.. this is a very historical recording..
were you in a travel to germany at that time?
EvanC0912 11 months ago
@EvanC0912 I'm not quite sure what you mean by 'in a travel to Germany' ...
my visit to Berlin in April 1990 was specially to film things which I knew would soon be changing, such as the closed stations in East Berlin which were served by West Berlin U-Bahn and S-Bahn trains, the Intershop shops, the historic West Berlin tram which used a closed part of the U-Bahn and the M-Bahn.
Simon
citytransportinfo 11 months ago
@EvanC0912 cause the entire London tube uses Wittenbergplatz-Style signs?
TheGrandmarquisv8 11 months ago
at the start of the video with the trains i was like "FUCK METRO!"
Johnnysabboy 11 months ago
Arbeitst du bei U-bahn?
Gharibat 1 year ago
okay, looks pretty damn much the same...
Putaspellonyou 1 year ago
In 1990 there was no more danger of being arrested for filming in East Berlin. Also, I have every reason to believe that there were no more Intershops (shops where you could buy things for hard currency) in 1990.
zijnemajesteit 1 year ago
In 1990 there was no more danger of being arrested for filming in East Berlin. Also, I have every reason to believe that there were no more Intershops (shops where you can buy things for hard currency).
zijnemajesteit 1 year ago
these stations look a lot like the West 4th Street station in New York. I wonder if the architects of the IND went to work in Berlin after the New York subway was complete.
JeffOrnstein01 1 year ago
@JeffOrnstein01
I've never been to New York so do not know!
Simon
citytransportinfo 1 year ago
@JeffOrnstein01 well actually u r right, right after WW II some american architects came to germany and developed together with german architects big arpatment blocks, however i donno if they did so with the underground as well, but anyway a lot of (especially) american tourists say berlin looks a lot like NYC cause of its inner city architecture
TheSpastie3 1 year ago
@JeffOrnstein01 it was the other way around.......lol
gramule 11 months ago
@JeffOrnstein01 It was probably the other way round, because the Berlin subway opened already in 1902 , 3 years before the New York subway (and construction startet in 1896). But the resemblence is also due to the fact, that in both cites the constructions of the subway lines and station followed the same method "cut and cover" and not like for instance in London by building deep tunnels in miners fashion. Also the stations got usually an even ceiling not curved like in paris.
telekino5 9 months ago
@telekino5 Interesting hypothesis. However, if you noticed in my post, I mentioned the IND, which was the abbreviation for the city-owned Independent subway system. The first part of the IND was opened in 1932! I think we need to find out when was the station in the video built....that would go a long way in trying to solve this mystery. And, if it matters any, some of the architects and engineers of NYC's IND system went to work on the Moscow system after the IND was complete (about 1940).
JeffOrnstein01 9 months ago
@JeffOrnstein01 There are several stations in the video: 0:05-1:10 Aleanderplatz platforms for line U5 ( opened 1930), 1:10-1:40 and 2:40-4:15 Alexanderplatz platform for line U2 ( opened 1913), 5:05-8:00 Wittenbergplatz two inner tracks for line U2 (opened 1902), other tracks/platforms for lines U1+U3 opened in 1913, 8:23-10:00 stations Rosenthaler Platz, Weinmeisterstr and Alexanderplatz, platform for line U8 were all opened in 1930. To which you are refering to as "IND style"? Probably U5/U8
telekino5 9 months ago
@telekino5 Great info, telekino. After reviewing the video again, it is definitely Alexanderplatz and Wittenbergplatz that resembles the IND stations the most - very odd considering how much older it is compared to the IND. The other stations built in 1930, don't resemble the IND at all. So, given this comparison, it's probable that the IND's designers may have taken a look at the Berlin system. The platform scene at Alexanderplatz is nearly identical to the 8th Avenue subway. Interesting!
JeffOrnstein01 9 months ago
also, hat einer bock bisschen zu quatschen ihr werdets warscheinlich nicht bereuen
monidatta 1 year ago 11
05:47 what is she saying? "Pass shitz po probliem"?
tannalv 1 year ago
@tannalv (.......) bitte zurück bleiben ;)
The1990lcr 1 year ago
I always loved that dashing and snappish "Zurückbleiben!" in ~ 0:23.
This is a real contrast to our times, fits well to the violent close of the doors following.
S51E 1 year ago
Great Video. I was a teenager 1980s so I went on all the UBHANs including the one with the fake wood paneling. I too came from a Marxists country and were subjected to freedom restrictions in both speech and travel but hey man that was how life was back then & you got on with it. At least DDR didn't go to war like other mad countries. I'll miss one thing about DDR, for kids it was SAFE, no crimes I mean.
moyemeni1 1 year ago
eine perle dieses video!
revoloser65 1 year ago
What the f*** mit der Loréal Werbung davor!
robinhoodbooking 1 year ago
WestBerlin
MegaAlborz 1 year ago
did you go on the east berlin metro trains? the one with the fake wood panneling
bronzeonion 1 year ago
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The city Berlin has a Slavic not a German name. Think about Berlin how it is similar to the city of Lublin. It does not have a burg or other Germanic endings. I think it comes from an old Slavic word meaning bog or marsh. The slavic languages have words that sound like berl or brlog. Meaning fishing village or bog or swamp/meadow. The etymology of Brandenburg comes from Slavic brenna also meaning swamp. It is 100% Slavic not German, ironically.
sneighwena 1 year ago
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hamburgdigga1 1 year ago
Interesting to see the platform indicators similar to what there used to be on the London Tube - where a small section would light up with the destination, instead of an LED display that replaced them. Great video!
WrongRoadRailways 1 year ago
Ah I remember riding past the closed East Berlin stations in '84...man it was so weird and creepy!
philthetremoloking 2 years ago
Hey look!
Wittenbergplatz has an LU Logo!
Alex
CoachAlex1996 2 years ago
I lovw EAST Berlin (DDR)
moyemeni1 2 years ago 3
Idioten filmar ju fan skit
macckan74 2 years ago
@macckan74
Smart o skriva på svenska på en icke svensk video. Detta är inte skit :)
TeamTomat0 2 years ago
Varför skriver du själv på svenska då?
macckan74 2 years ago
that's the U2 train at the beginning of the film
jamieson88 2 years ago
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we didn't they escape on a western train?
malbert34 2 years ago
wieso seh ich nur doras? damals gab es doch schon die F-Züge
TRR2014 2 years ago
Richtig, aber nicht auf den hier gezeigten Strecken...
AndPre77 2 years ago
stimmt ja. die damalige BVB hatte ja glaube ich auf Großprofil nur die Doras. was ist das eigentlich für ein zug bei 1:04?
TRR2014 2 years ago
Baureihe E (Ein Umbau aus S-Bahn-Zügen)
AndPre77 2 years ago
F-Züge kannst du dir noch lange ansehen, aber Videos von Doras im Hauptstadtlack sind echt rar.
Klingl3r 2 years ago
Especially strange appears the ride on the undergrund line U8 right through the city center where such (today) busy stations like Alexanderplatz (U8 platform) are still closed (9min 22sec) and the trains just pass without stopping. Only the stations Jannowitzbruecke and Rosenthaler Platz could be immediately opended right after the fall of the wall because the nearly for 30 years closed accesses to the stations where still useable.
Fritz187071 2 years ago
"ghost stations" You can take a guide and visit those stations.
NielsMF 2 years ago
I remember the stink of those DDR trains.
BOLOBO19792000 2 years ago
Was on the Berlin U-Bahn a couple of years ago and remember a station (somewhere on the U2 in Mitte if I remember rightly) with a lift leading from the platform...to a traffic island in the middle of the road! Bizarre! Anyone know what station that would be?
keda1981 2 years ago
Actually you find lifts leading from the platform to a traffic island on quite a number of stations. But you probably remembered the Stadtmitte station, either the lift leading from the platform of the U6 or the U2 to the street, where the traffic platforms are pretty tiny because of the quite narrow roads and you as a passenger have the impression being right among the busy traffic while walking out of the lift.
Fritz187071 2 years ago
Stadtmitte rings a bell, actually. Danke schön.
keda1981 2 years ago
OMG london underground! 5:05
bronzeonion 2 years ago
You're kidding???
elhamimannesh 2 years ago
No advertisements, no grafitti, no litter, no people with their feet on the chairs and where the heck are all the fat people?! Heaven!
38dragoon38 2 years ago 30
@38dragoon38 yeah, getting arrested by the stasi for nothing, being told what career you are going to have, not being able to travel outside of the eastern bloc, no personal freedoms. Yeah that is heaven. do u live inGermany? I hope not, because my countrymen never deserved to be left in ruins like this. What kind of a country holds people against their will? Letting them leave is actually better than forcing them to stay. Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit für das deutsche Vaterland!
bean420man 1 year ago
@38dragoon38
The irony of what you just said is the fact that Germany had all of that in the Nazi regime under Hitler. Would you mind that? BTW - There's no fat people because there is a food shortage and there's no advertisements because the government owns everything. The 'advertisements' are the constant monuments of Marx, pictures of Lenin, and so forth. There's your advertisements.
HokiesAndDawgs 1 year ago
@38dragoon38 people had other problems than doing such stupid things. let's say things like: dispossing a state :-)
plusBln 10 months ago
One thing that got my attention was that the train doors opened before the train made a complete stop. Then the train starts again right as the doors close. In New York, the trains must wait a few seconds after stopping at a station before the doors are opened and then a few seconds must pass after the doors close before they start again. It's a safety rule.
intoodeep7106 2 years ago
This video is from 1990 there they can open the door earlier but today it's the same. You can open the doors already if the train drives 5 - 10 km/h (3,1 - 6,1 mph)
acSOLAKI 2 years ago
Well today there are only modern trains running on the lanes, with automatic doors. So nobody can open the door unless the driver allows it. A few manual-door trains where in like 10 years ago. Now they are all gone. And actually i miss them because of their very unique sound and they seemed to live because they were made of steel and wood which made sqeeky and crackle noises here and there.
KRAFTWERK2K6 2 years ago
*in use (not "in")
KRAFTWERK2K6 2 years ago
maybe these krauts know not to exit a moving vehicle. u silly american
greenthumbproject 2 years ago 2
I'm from London and I think about that every time I get off the train in Berlin! In England we're not trusted to take care, in Berlin you can step onto the platform while its still moving (if you want!)
ryko26 2 years ago
Very good! I like the older livery at the beginning of the video with unpainted bodysides, reminds me of old LT stock.
WrongRoadRailways 2 years ago
a gift from London Transport? Did you mean that bus at the Wittenberg Place? It's not a gift from London. Germany - especially Berlin - had these busses long before WW 1.
DXTV1 2 years ago
I mean double-deck buses ... not exactly this bus :D
DXTV1 2 years ago
The gift from london transport was the 'London style' station name sign on the wall
simon
citytransportinfo 2 years ago
oh ... ok ;o)
DXTV1 2 years ago
¿El contraste es que antes el metro era gratuito y ahora cuesta dinero por qué es un negocio lucrativo?
CANTABROramses 2 years ago
Don't be like that Simon! A little gentle constructive critisism never harmed anyone. It is precisely because your film is a valuable 20 year old social record that it warrants careful editing and presentation. If it helps, your 'Berlin contrasts 2' is 1st class. My apologies if my comments hurt you feelings; that was never my intention.
Droxy1940 2 years ago
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Sooooo boooorrrriiiiinnnggggg!!!
zyzore 2 years ago
yawn... OK then, maybe for you its boring. But other people here seem to find this to be of interest.
For people who were alive at the time and unable to cross from one part of Berlin to another so the events of November 1989 changed their world - forever.
I watched all this on the TV - to have it happen without a war between East and West was a dream come true - even for people in Britain. It was like a miracle.
Simon
citytransportinfo 2 years ago 2
Sorry mate! This video should be a valuable record of an important moment in history. In fact it is a muddle of dreary tube rides and unidentifiable street scenes. Why not revisit the original tape, re-edit, add proper titles and do justice to yourself - and to the end of injustice in Berlin.
Droxy1940 2 years ago 18
thanks - if re-edited it needs to be uplifted as a brand new film.
But it is possible to add annotations.
maybe that would be a way forward?
Simon
citytransportinfo 2 years ago
@citytransportinfo Yes, I think it would be an good idea to re-record it on computer as long as the tapes work. Youtube-processing wasn´t the best in 2007, now it´s improved. BTW I recommend you the channel of user "Tunnelmacke" who has also some older vids from Berlin.
Klingl3r 1 year ago
I was also there in April 1990. I had been in East Berlin several times in the 1980s. I recollect this on some of the videos I posted here but nothing is as vivid as what you have portrayed here!
alanheath 2 years ago
Thanks, - I only filmed what I saw and I feel sure that I missed quite a lot too!
That said, I did set out to film enough so that people would see and understand the 'flavour' of the differences etc between the two parts of what prior to 1948 had been one city.
Simon
citytransportinfo 2 years ago
I wish I had had a video then. Or even taken as many photos as I do now!! I was there and saw it but it is only in my mind now!
alanheath 2 years ago
to macNjulia
Thanks for your comment, I am baffled why I do not see it here...
Simon
citytransportinfo 2 years ago
Have you filmed one of the EIII trains in action? A trine like this at 1:00
Klingl3r 2 years ago
sorry, no.
Simon
citytransportinfo 2 years ago
incredible... the most amazing was crossing across closed east berlin stations...
musicallo 2 years ago
Indeed so, and at the same time most terrible, when one remembers what its all about.
I did not see the armed guards on the station platforms witn orders to 'shoot to kill', as I only visited Berlin after the wall was opened.
Nowadays (and before the wall) people use these stations and it seems so natural, so normal. Yet for 30ish years these were the bizarre outposts of two nations.
(cont...)
citytransportinfo 2 years ago
(cont...)
Also weird was standing in a street in East Berlin and hearing / feeling the trains passing below.
Simon
citytransportinfo 2 years ago
especially at the closed stations, with the local people not really understanding why they can hear and feel something...
simon
citytransportinfo 2 years ago
we stayed at a hotel just a little of alexanderplatz
massacrelord 2 years ago
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Now they need to bull down NORTH KOREA walls.... they are keeping citizens like prisoners in noth korea and they dont no whats on the news around the world... they dont have technology they simply dotn understand... they are all cominist... PULL DOWN NORTH KKOREA WALL or els ill be going there with a bull dozer and 3,000 strong men with arms to pull the wall down. Plus the president of north korea he looks like a clown thats crazzy looking.
paulux82 2 years ago
(continued)
5:00 West, Wittenbergplatz ('Witti'), platform of line U1 (small profile)
6:40 West, Witti, entrance hall - this entrance hall is one of the most elaborately designed in West AND East Berlin; had been renovated in 1987 (?) and received that retro design.
7:20 West, Witti, entrance hall's exterior
7:30 West, Witti, 'KaDeWe' (very) large store
8:02 East, line U8, ride inside WESTern large profile train built in the 70s
9:20 East, still line U8, back at Alexanderplatz at 3rd platform
frittenfred 2 years ago
Many, many thanks for this timeline.
Simon
citytransportinfo 2 years ago
And of course also from me many thanks to Simon for this valuable video !!
frittenfred 2 years ago
Thanks!
4 weeks before going my camcorder went wrong and the shop said that it would take 6 weeks to repair. So I am just pleased that I was able to be there and film this.
Simon
citytransportinfo 2 years ago
sko083 asked a very good question...
0:00 to 0:05 East, Alexanderplatz ('Alex'), platform of today's line U2 (small profile)
0:06 East, Alex, platform today's U5 (large profile)
1:00 East, Alex, parked train on same platform
1:08 East, Alex, 'U2', departure of Eastern small profile train
1:40 East, Alex, World Clock and 'Centrum' large store
2:40 East, Alex, 'U2' platform
4:13 East, inside Eastern small profile train
(to be continued)
frittenfred 2 years ago 2
@Iggy3d and others: Sorry, but it seems to me you don't know what you talk about from own experience, do you? - Although East Germany was sure less developed in many areas, this does NOT AT ALL apply for the railbound public transport in East Berlin ! The municipal trains transported every day an enormous amount of people SAFELY and sufficiently COMFORTABLE. Wooden benches and openable doors (which I do miss really much, btw.) were much more common in the western S-Bahn of the 80s and 90s !
frittenfred 2 years ago
Thank you!
LarryWine 2 years ago
gee, no advertising posters and no cellphones..., i wish there would be a year like that
progay 3 years ago 2
Pyongyand, North Korea would welcome you with open arms. All year round. You might not be able to get out though.
Iggy3d 2 years ago
@Iggy3d: Oh, they certainly would not welcome me, because I prefer thinking and knowing instead of believing something that I've heard somewhere.
- Just a question: Have YOU been in Berlin at that time? Did YOU take at least ONE of these trains?
frittenfred 2 years ago
notice no mobile phones!
makkertje 3 years ago 2
I think the most striking thing was the dulness and lack of advertising posters on the eastern portion of the network - nothing apart from some old washed out propaganda posters.
The technology and elf&safety was aslo blatantly different with a lot of manual work involved in the East whilst automation was already well advanced in the West.
"Next stop, Pyongyang, North Korea, mind the doors!"
Iggy3d 3 years ago
Thanks very much for posting this. I was in Berlin in July 1990 and recognize this into the very details, several S-Bahn trains still having wooden benches and doors that could be opened by hand when the train was still running. That transition period shortly after the fall of the Wall was my most impressive visit to Berlin. Borders were open but the DDR was still existing. Talking to people on the streets in the East, showed they were very conscious. I cut out myself a piece of Berlin wall.
kadewi007 3 years ago
Warum stehen ein paar Mal Leute in der Tür bei Abfahrt/Ankunft? Zu wievielt war denn die Belegschaft pro Zug? Wahrscheinlich mußte der eine in der Mitte des Zuges dort stehen, um in der gebogenen Station festzustellen, ob im hinteren Zugbereich alle Türen frei sind, kann das sein?
IgnazZangenfeind 3 years ago
Das kenn ich alles noch. Besonders in Erinnerung - die "Geisterbahnhöfe" Ein interessantes Zeitdokument.
nikodemus7777 3 years ago
which one is east berlin, the first or the second part?
sko083 3 years ago
I was just there this year. Had visited in 74, 88. There's color and life to area now.
PeterMayer 3 years ago
I can see some differences, In the former east side is more gray and deppressing.
edup12 3 years ago
The diferances can be seen on the streets of the city and the style of the subway stations. After berlin was reunified the old subway conections were reopened. The old east german stations looked like it and the western sector looked a lot newer. I was there in 2004.
SCHRUBBE1966 3 years ago
Thank you very much for posting this. I am very interested in this period of History, and your video is a great piece of testimony.
Cristinact 3 years ago 4
Thanks :-)
Simon
citytransportinfo 3 years ago
pilotman,
I had to remove your message, because I detest swear words.
But you are right about West Berlin being as much a state of mind as a place.
From what I understand to encourage people to live there the West German (Bonn) Government said that West Berliners did not have to go in to the military.
Of course there was always the threat that one day the East would invade, and in a way this did happen - but thankfully in peace (November 1989).
Simon
citytransportinfo 3 years ago
Hey Simon ... I support your non-tolerance policy for prophanity ... The democratic aspect of the internet is one thing, swearing another ... However: a little correction ... The reason that West Berlin was a 'off limits' for the German Army was not to attract more people to move there, but rather the fact that it was considered a 'neutral zone', being an allied-controlled city. For the same reason, the German government could only maintain outposts of some of their branches in Berlin ... Julia
macNjulia 2 years ago
"Prophanity" lol
ryko26 2 years ago
This is one of the coolest vids I have seen here. THANK YOU for uploading this!
rezn66 3 years ago
Thanks.
I am just pleased that I was able to visit Berlin at the time - and be a part of its history!
The reasons why are well known, but to actually see the place before it all started to change too much was quite something.
Even so, by the time of this visit some of the hated Berlin wall had come down - so I still missed some things.
Simon
citytransportinfo 3 years ago
I went to Berlin recently and things still looked different in east and west but looking at your videos there is such a stronggg contrast its almost like countries on either side of the planet.
I wish I could of seen Berlin in 1989/1990 but unfortunatley I wasn't born then lol.
BreadEatingPagan 3 years ago
well - right this moment east Berlin looks fare more modern and restored and w-berlin is more run down. Prenzlauer Berg and Mitte, both east Berlin are the most trendyest parts of the town.
CapitanoGUC 3 years ago 3
ah we all wish we could have seen cities as they were 'years ago' before we were born.
I was born in 1959 and wish I could have seen Berlin (& London) as they were in the 1930's.
Even better, with a present-day digital camera!
Simon
citytransportinfo 3 years ago
I kept looking for significant contrasts through all the video - and could hardly find any!! Where would you see huge differences?? I grew up in Berlin and so I know that public transport in East Berlin was certainly not worse than in the West!
frittenfred 3 years ago 5
true. Typical mindless western propaganda. Levi's jeans would never replace the emancipation of humanity from western capitalism but this prop takes its toll on the middle-classes.
They actually start believing that levi's is more important..
jeanpaulfelix 2 years ago
@pilotman and zashafo:ihr habt völlig recht ich selber komme auch aus west berlin und ich muss sagen ich hätte es auch viel lieber zurück.was jetzt abläuft ist doch totaller bullshit. ich habe die ganzen sachen in den letzten zügen noch miterlebt. deutsch amerikanische freundschaft in den mcnair barracks oder deutsch amerikanisches an der clayalle aber die franzosen im quatier napoleon.mehr davon wäre schön gewesen
gruss an die westberliner
allabuster 3 years ago
OMG This video made me have watery eyes as I can well remember those great times! These times, where young boy scouts would be stopped by a French Army patrol near Tegel airport, these times where there were tens of American, English and / or French military police units on Kudamm, breaking up bar fights at Ku' Dorf or Big Eden... I miss these times, when going past Görtzallee and watching G.I's train at McNair...I miss the special status we had as WEST Berliners!
pilotman329 3 years ago
West Berliner did have a differnt status. It was really a strange yet awesome period to live in. To this day I still say I was born in West Berlin. When people correct me and say you mean Berlin, I say no West Berlin its more than a place of geography but a state of mind.
zashafo 3 years ago 2
where's the difference?
wasimodoone 3 years ago
I read about this on Wikipedia but didn't believe it, mentioning that the ghost stations looked like they were untouched since 1961. Seeing Rosenthaler Platz confirmed this. The benches, the decor, that huge sink / water fountain really was like something from the WWII era. Fascinating. thanks for posting this!
ntcrwler 3 years ago
when the wall went up the Eastern authorities poured concrete down the station entrances and into subterranean passageways to stop their own people from reaching the platforms, and put armed guards on the platforms - who were told to shoot to kill.
Simon
citytransportinfo 3 years ago
If they shut the stations, then how did they replace the lights on the stations? The closed ones had fully working lights, and one would assume that work was done on the track. How was this done?
Trek001 2 years ago
no/ very little work was done on the tracks during this time and trains from the west often rode very slowly or sometimes even stoped at stations in the east in protest against this. Some stations even had the platforms completely walled off to prevent east berliners jumping on the passing trains.
jmccooe 2 years ago
I love Berlin
Yoshiro83 3 years ago 4
Have you filmed these videos by yourself? They are very interesting.
PersoonallisuusX 3 years ago 3
yes, I filmed them myself - I specially went to Berlin in April 1990 to film some of the transports while Berlin was still two cities.
I am pleased that you and so many other people here seem to find my films to be of interest.
Simon
citytransportinfo 3 years ago
I was 1 year and 9 months old then, living my last days as a citizen of the USSR and becoming the citizen of independent Latvia. I didn't live through these days and such videos like your help to see and acknowledge the changes that took place then. These should be shown in history classes because modern youth isn't interested in history as a pure facts, they are used to television and video and computer games so I think history themed video games and such videos like yours could help.
lkrnpk 3 years ago
I agree.
Thanks for your comment.
Simon
citytransportinfo 3 years ago
@lkrnpk When i was young i hated history with a passion, i remember very well. I was like "OMG i want to go home and watch dragon ball instead" I didnt understand a thing about the allies and the nazis and all that. At least here in mexico you learn that i believe in the last years of elementary and while in highschool. I then became interested in communism and civil wars while in university, and now i read a lot about history in my free time, and sometimes, still watch some dragon ball.
memohavok 10 months ago
Thanks for the films Simon vom ganzen Herz.
zashafo 3 years ago
Yiou are welcome.
Simon
citytransportinfo 3 years ago
Thanks.
You are welcome.
Simon
citytransportinfo 3 years ago
Do you have any videos of the U-Bahn system in Nazi Germany (1933-1945)? That would be very interesting.
dadarkenedmoon 3 years ago 3
Berlin war noch schoener, aber da musste ja so ein scheiss adolf kommen und alles kaputt machen.
DJDiscJokey 4 years ago 4
You actually made one of the best comments I've ever seen on youtube. Finally somebody understands why Berlin was destroyed.
hansburrwitz 3 years ago
welche geisterbahnhöfe hast du durchfahren ??
bernauer str?... war der rosenthaler platz auch ein grenzbahnhof aber im Apr.90 schon wieder offen ???
AirBerl 4 years ago
rosenthaler und jannowitz waren shcon wieder offen, mit deren großen verteilerhallen und vielen eingängen konnte man relativ schnell einen grenzübergang schaffen.
beatstopno 4 years ago
This video is shot Apr 1990, two stations on U8 were already opened as provisional border crossings.
For opening dates of all ghost stations see English wikipedia, page "Ghost stations".
Für die Öffnungsdaten aller Geisterbahnhöfe siehe deutsche Wikipedia Seite "Geisterbahnhöfe"
anorak2 4 years ago 3
Thanks.
Simon
citytransportinfo 3 years ago
Sweet! 3:10 - Dog on the subway! :P
tangobuddie 4 years ago
why not?
maybe this is banned in the US, but its not in other cities!
Simon
citytransportinfo 4 years ago
I know, they need to (un-ban?) or remove the ban in the United States. It would be another reason to use transit and lower CO2 levels.
tangobuddie 4 years ago
haha, I took German in high school and I remember my teacher telling the class about when he lived over there and how he got fined (riding "black" I think he called it), because he didn't have a pass for his dog!
jonnyboy8807 3 years ago 3
This can still happen even 'today'.
I nearly got in trouble because I tried to get on a tram when it was stopped at traffic signals... (and not at a tram stop)
Simon
citytransportinfo 3 years ago