people in syria are fighting for freedom, yet when the riots were happening, people were fighting and breaking into Curry's for tv's. Its Sickening really
@IAlwaysCommentYou hhahaha why nandos - whyyyyyyy - now where am i going to take my date???? looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
Good point, i find it wrong sometimes when adults and older people stereotype young people for being bad. But In History in school, we're constantly reminded of the destruction adults and older people caused when they were young, which has caused much more destruction than we are doing today.
Good point, i find it wrong sometimes when adults and old people stereotype young people for being bad. But In History in school, we're constantly reminded of the destruction adults and old people caused when they were young, which has caused much more destruction than we are doing today.
The US Imperial Forces invades Japan Mexico and Haiti colonizes with 20 Million Whites then exterminates 60% of natives and builds military bases and breeding camps at strategic points...
Turks fought back .... yeeehyyyyy,, let's "all" clap for the Turks... we're the best yeeeeeeehyyy
Seriously though, try to loot a Turkish shop and you'll get fucked .. haha I don't live in England, that shit would NEVER happen here. People don't take lightly on some fuck faces destroying and looting their property
This girl is absolutely spot on. These kids are given education, health care, money and opportunity - all they have to do is work hard. Yet instead they feel they have the right to steal from others who have worked hard.
Make them work hard during their prison sentences - teach them what it takes to make an honest living.
IF I WAS YOU I WOULD BE MAKING A VIDEO ON WHY WE ARE PAYING TAXES TO THE MAFIA , IM SORRY * TO THE GOVERNMENT TO BUY WEAPONS AND BULLETS TO INVADE COUNTRIES SIMILAR TO WHERE YOU ARE FROM and IM FULL WHITE ENGLISH OR GROUP W1 AS THE POLICE LIKE TO PUT ME IN ...
Im really disppointed that so many commenters here are so racist in their thinking. They either hate immigrants or want all black people gone or blame them or complain about them. I remember seeing that video of the Malaysian kid getting robbed...and who robbed him? A WHITE kid :s
Half or more of these kids are locals..so come better than that.
Your behaviour and theirs CANNOT and SHOULD NOT be entertained...you too are contributing to the ROT of society.
it's a bit unfair to say that - not all of us do - as you can see from this video, many of us actually do have morals, it's just the little shits who think it's cool to be a little shit. - Alot of it is down to bad parenting - they are shown no dicipline whatsoever, so what do you expect? Honestly people who's parents are good, litterally hit us with slippers if we do something bad - If a child is misbehaving you dicipline them, not encourage them.
this is what happens when a country gets to sociologically peaceful and the people get to comfortable with each other, since their not dellusional and fighting their selves, they look behind the mask of "safety" and see who the real bully is monitoring them and controlling every aspect of their little cursed lives.
@chetopuffs your ill advised, frequently patronising opinion. Move to Tower Hamlets for a month, try and live on £30 a week - THEN talk about why society drives these people to rioting.
obviously the people doing the looting were sick, disillusioned people. But stuff like this doesn't come about for no reason. Britain is becoming more and more a socialist state; taxing familys, businesses to the extreme and pumping it into the welfare system, free houses, free money basically. If you continue to do this you will create a subsection of society because there is no incentive to work, there is no disincentive to behave badly and people have been trapped like this for generations.
@Ranny1456 I agree and I disagree, while there are people who live off benefits and take advantage of this 'free money' system, i think that most people would still want to study and work hard to be able to have a better quality of life, but the fact is the social aspects of those lives lead people to believe that HAVE to live that way, as if there's no way out. It's just an illusion to keep the poor people poor (and stupid because they feel the need to drop out of school)
Surely there's the unwinnable war in Afghanistan, the bank bail outs, the unpaid taxes from corporations and the subsidising of events such as opera that are wasting taxes a lot more than the wellfare state. Secondly, I honestly think that, although these riots were acts of barbarity, they cannot be dismissed entirely as such. There is a huge problem with a disengaged youth and this must be dealt with. wwwdotguardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/11/london-riots-davidcameron
@Ranny1456 Loving how you try and equate a socialist state with riots when things like this only ever happen when the Tories are in power.The problem isn't political.It isn't even social. It's cultural. If it was because of DA BIG EVIL SOCIALISM, they would've stolen things they needed rather than wanted.It's the absolutely spastic celebrity culture and the worship of false idols.Ask one of these kids what they want to do for a living.Not one would say a plumber or electrician.They'll say rapper
I like how concerned some people are, this means that they actually understands the problem,being young myself and not living in there i cannot fully understand the problem,but i hope,that people understands that this happens almost every day in different points of the world.I Blame secret societys that has taken all of the money and asks for more and more( obama's 350b debt for example) which creates more money and makes big problem for economy.
In egypt they protest for freedom and democracy,in syria and libya they give their lifes so their country can have the essential things we in europe take for granted.Freedom of speech,human rights,
In england europe.They protest for what? kids 15-20 years old,busting up shops,robbing innocent people,destroying
property for millions. Please give me an real good explanation for why they do this?? It makes me sick!
not every family i shte ideal family.don't u know about single mothers we have to leave their children at home to go to work and put a roof over their head and cant afford childcare.some mothers dont have a gd relationship wiv their schildren.theres loads of different crcumstances familys can be in.
I worry about the future. There is a whole generation of disaffected youth in much of the Western World. I fear that peak oil, coming global food shortages, growing water crises, and the collapse of the major global fiat currencies, will combine with the effects of global warming to create a perfect storm. While the Islamic world will enjoy a new birth of freedom, Asia will soon be militarized, and Europe, the US, or both, will follow false messiahs into totalitarianism (as Germany once did).
Obviously the people burning and pillaging for no reason claiming its because they are poor are the pieces of shit that should be benief the footheels to begin with.
Its as this girl says. They have food. They have shelter. So big fucking deal they are poor and not trendy. You do not have the justification to go cause destruction and harm people for your own fucking greedy nature.
Those people are trash. It would make sense if say they were starving and stealing food. This is not the case. Sad
Obviously the people burning and pillaging for no reason claiming its because they are poor are the pieces of shit that should be benief the footheels to begin with.
Its as this girl says. They have food. They have shelter. So big fucking deal they are poor and not trendy. You do not have the justification to go cause destruction and harm people for your own fucking greedy nature.
Those people are trash. It would make sense if say they were starving and stealing food. This is not the case. Sad
you should have done more research into why these people were doin what they were doing.
If you knew anything about kids from council estates then you would know that they cant get jobs since they are VERY likely to get involved in gangs even if they dont want to.
Employers are less likely to employ kids from council estates.
And the riots were about police and authority not about wealth.
But i doubt you would know any of this anyway being from a safer (richer) part of London...
@dec20056 i'm actually from one of the places that got rioted. and all of my friends live in council estates. you criticize me for judging them when you've clearly judged me from this less than 3 minute video.
@dec20056 ummmm...I don't think I could have gotten a job at 12 yo. either. I am from a Working Class family. It didn't cause me to loot a shop nor join a gang. The fact is that about 1/3 of the rioters prosecuted already had criminal records and, the majority were barely of working age anyway.You should really listen to what SHE'S saying rather than preach about pseudo socialist nonsense. You say it's about Police and Authority? Would you really want to live with these criminals w/o that?
@dec20056 I think it's absolutely disgusting how people like you invent reasons for why these rioters did what they did. While you're talking about "jobs" and "employers", these morons were setting fire to buildings that pregnant women had to leap out of to save their lives.
It's not "an employers" job to give a job to anybody. It's PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY to go find one. Or create your own.
Their parents are pissed, they couldn't give a monkeys about their kids, if anything- they probably encourage this type of behaviour- or at the very best take no action.
Their parents are pissed, they couldn't give a monkeys about their kids, if anything- they probably encourage this type of behaviour- or at the very best take no action.
@computermaster, The parents are absent, busing making more babies they cant look after, getting drunk/high or gambling, they have no time to train their children to be good citizens.
What a WISE young lady!...It is so refreshing to see someone this age who can see the truth for what it is!....Like she said..>Where are their parents?...And I don't care HOW poor you think you are....if you're sporting a blackberry/ I-phone, have a laptop ,etc. you're probably not as poor as you think you are!
Iam Pakistani Canadian and in Canada things are worst then Britian and also Paki Canadians are below then all Races in Canada including Black, Indians, chinese and other Races but Paki Canadians always remain calm and patient, never they even complain or riot; even all other races donot like them because of their religion, color and country......I believe blacks are much better off in USA, canada and Britian but still they complain, use Race card and riot also in USA they are Racist against all!
guy got his head shot off with dumdum bullets,that's what started the riots,UN banned dum dum bullets from wars but police allowed 2use. riots will occur again for as long as govts/police act as though they above it
"hey dude come down shops its deserted,ransacked &goods are everywhere, lets get somet"
"nah man im burglin my next door neighbour 2night,hes got a top evo i want, plus ill get less than 2 yrs in prison if get caught,ill get 4 yrs if get caught takin them goods from ransacked shops"
@gabrielhuanosto lol its not that they dont wanna work hard for it, its the fact that there is no way to work for it! did you not know that unemployment is at its highest. I would'nt of minded paying £950 for this laptop if my local tesco's were taking on people. but hey, you see an opportunity and you take it right. thats how the world works. :)
@tag1989 Well since that is the way that the world works usually people like you that think what is happening is okay are the ones that end up behind bars having "friendly prisoner" use you as their bitch and for what a laptop or lotion. Jeez how stupid could you be!
@margopardoe people like u are the reason order will never happen, ur first half of ur suggestions are great, 2nd half shows that ur a ignorant piece of shit that makes your suggestions invalid
All experts in demography say that the fertility rate of at least 2.1 is needed to maintain a population: if this rate is less, the population would desappear. France..........1.9 Great Britian.1.8 Netherlands.1.7 Belgium......1.6 Germany.....1.4 Italy..............1.3 Spain...........1.3 Poland.........1.2 Reminder The minimum fertility rate for sustainable population is 2.1 European women 1.8 Asiatic women 2.7 Arab women 3.7 Turkish women 3.7 African women 4.3
@batgirl9289 nandos is a restaurant in england they mostly do grilled food everybody loves it here thats why people are pissed that nandos got mashed (including me)
Try to think... Instead of attacking the symptoms, you need to see the reason behind it, and fix that, and that is big social and economic problems. When things go south, it's the weakestand the poorest in a society that get's to take the fall. Wake up, open your eyes.
@iGuthixg not really, but for whatever reason in the US people regard riot with "uncivilized", France riots nearlya every day. America needs more riots, they do not mean anarchy all the time. This was a violent riot, aimed at nothing in particularaaa, now if civilians in the US could aim a riot at their senators and government officials, now that would be something special
Rioting is a symptom of a sick society. Here are just a few examples: Argentina 2001 - 26 Killed . Gujarat 2008 - 1,000's Killed Nairobi 2007- 100's Killed. LA riots 1992 - 53 Killed. Bombay riots 1992 - Approx. 900 Killed. 1968 Louisville and Chicago Riots - 13 Killed. 1921 Tulsa race riots - 100's Killed............................................................ Rioting is a symptom, the cause of the rioting is the problem we must address.
@robertoandproctor The erosion of christian values in Britain = lawless and godless youths ritoing like feral locusts. Tell someone that they are created in the image of an animal and they behave like one.
the powers that be are to blame with stupid human rights laws!!!! bring back civil service, bring back the cane at school, bring back capital punishment. why are prisoners playing on consoles and watching tv when locked up? why are we handing out thousands of tax payers money to families who take drugs? why are we housing illegal immigrants who dont pay taxes yet work cash in hand? history always repeats itself and you have to burn down a corrupt nation to build a new and fairer way of life.....
@huslermatt why did the the banks get bailed out ? why did were the politicians that took money that they weren't supposed to take and then were forgiven ? why do you complain about qualified immigrants taking your jobs when Britain and most of the richer countries allow slave labor paying them almost nothing ? capital punishment does not but instil fear in the people of a nation, the government should fear the people not the other way round.
I'm so Europeans could put this one on Muslims in Europe too, despite looking at how successful and intergrated and far better Muslim Americans are compared to their European counterparts. But that's the way in welfare isn't it? Get all, give none? Keep it up.
No wonder you see Londoners moving to the US to discover Asians, blacks etc living it up in NYC in the highest social circles without a problem.
I'm so Europeans could put this one on Muslims in Europe too, despite looking at how successful and intergrated and far better Muslim Americans are compared to their European counterparts. But that's the way in welfare isn't it? Get all, give none? Keep it up.
@mygodhowbigisthat lol im not talking like a black gangsta you idiot, hmm yeah i'm a wanna be black lad lol were does it say in that paragraph ' i wanna be a black gangsta' there are to many people like you why you trying to speak black everyone speaks like what i speak like down here so its not a wanna be its a 'chavish' language if thats how you wanna call it...
They are going to blame you as well, who cares if I'm not in bed by 10:00, I stay up till three or later and have no problems and it isn't for no reason, it is for equal treatment.
We're on the brink of a global economic collapse due to the enormous invasion of the governments into what should be the private sectors of our economies. Around the world the people survive because of government redistribution of wealth. However these programs have been creating huge, unsustainable deficits. As the country's money fails these policies will diminish and the people who have grown dependent on them will create an uprising which will enact the police state. The world is changing.
Almost all protest that become violent, are turned violent by people that want it to turn violent. I live near Pittsburgh, PA. The G20 was here. There were men AND women who began to turn protests violent by setting fires and overturning cars. Funny thing is that these people, when confronted, showed thier badges and said that the people confronting them were the perpetrators of the acts. He said she said, and those with "authority" will always be believed over the common person.
Yes, the brainwashed youth. The ones who think they have to behave like a fcking moron in MTV. The fcking moron who pisses on evrything and SUE if you dare to stop him/her. I agree, the multiculturalism and lefticism ideas in pratice = London Burning.
Friendly advice, i dont care if im called a racist cause i know im not. I dont care if im called a cop, cause i am. I dont care if im called as stupid, cause i am educated, but making the insult... tells me that YOU are full of it. Thbs Up =)
But the riots still happened for a reason; do you really think that this generation of inner city youth have become morally corrupted? Or are wider societal factor to blame?
No hate, just critiquing your piece. I agree that young kids shouldn't be looting etc. but the idea of looting is actually supported in Britain. Firstly, what is a museum? Items stolen from other countries to showcase in this country for its benefit. Also for the last decade & counting Brit & US have stolen many natural resources from the middle east under false pretences of war. So for a country to get upset when it is disarray, when it inflicts the same treatment globally, imo is laughable.
I completely agree with you and at the moment in phycology we are debating and talking about the London riots. HOWEVER i do think that you should not be calling these kids SICK,also i'm not so sure about telling them to literally go say their prayers!? hmm.. well whatever but i do agree on some aspects you mention.
Im from sweden and seriously;with our multiculturalism and unemployment I wouldnt be that surprised if riots began to uproar here too.Especially with the lame attitud towards human problems as the government has!
aFriendlyArab@ I agree with alot you say however this riot was a long time coming and you are right they shouldnt be looting but you have to ask a question what drives ppl to do this? These kids need something to do,they dont have role models or facilities like youth centres, they come from broken societies/families. Its easy to talk friendlyarab.
I wonder if you made a video when the bankers lost billions and sent our country into financial meltdown? Or when the Govt. announced cuts? Hmm!
Amen girl, I have a 3 year old, but believe me if she was 10 and doing this shit I would grab her by the ear and drag her in, locking her in her room!!!! Some parents don't give a shit. Don't blame the kids, blame the fucking parents! They obviously don't know any better, stupid lazy idiot parents!!!!
the reason that they do it is because they are bored, lonesome and need something to do! I think that anyone on youtube that calls people nicknames and use really bad words and say something cruel personal are so immature that what they say are worthless. All the kids need is love, friends, some parents, a home and something to do in their sparetime
I agree with you! Not having any money or not getting public services doesn't make it a good thing to destroy and steal. I am 18 years old, live in Denmark and lives by eating food I can find in the dumpster and containers. I don't have any money, yet I don't waste my time making others lives miserable and steal.
@aFriendlyArab you are so young, yet you speak so wisely..... I wish we had here in Greece such young organized minds... You do great good to your society. In times such as these, where logic has swapped place with madness, the strong-minded have to become a beacon of reason & logic..
God forbid the British express their anger with their government.
Also, the parents were with their youth in the street(occasionally).
The kids care, or they wouldn't be rioting.
Maybe if there weren't so many reasons to be angry, they wouldn't feel the need to fight police: the force that promised to keep the people safe. They clearly failed in many respects.
That said, my condolences to those who wished to remain neutral, but could not.
@Hotwatty Look around the world. Survey all the world's cities and nations. The truth is clear.
Any city, nation or population with more than 30% blacks is characterized by rampant violent crime, corruption, poverty, disease, substance abuse and despair.
Yet those populations which are at least 90% northern European (German, Scandinavian) are characterized by wealth, peace, order,cleanliness, health, happiness and harmony.
@Hotwatty But you lose all credibility when you do what they did. What point do you make when you loot and destroy? In my eyes, they deserve whatever sense of "inequality" they feel. The destroyed their message.
@googlyarsetube I've paid taxes all my life and the NHS is rather wonderful thanks. You are a thick cunt that doesn't even begin to grasp the concept of human empathy let alone the concepts that might ask what makes a human being. Which is why you will die alone and miserable.
@linearnonlinear Typical right wing moron, you presume that anyone that has an opinion other than your own is an insidious "Socialist" or on "handouts". I've paid taxes all my life and the NHS is rather wonderful thanks.
Since when are people who are better off not allowed to be upset for people wwho aren't? Look at why they showed up n the first place. Against increased tuition, cuts in education, healthcare, and housing. This isn't just a poor man's fight. And sometimes to grab the attention of those in power you do have to show you're actually pissed about something. That you're not just going to rot and hold a sign while your public services are stripped from you.
@NathanJosephCole pssh americanist isnt even a word you silly prat. did you have to go to college to become a word smith? and your guns will be taken away from you when you form the North american Union. if Mexicos 108 million people cant have guns then neither should america. democracy is about majority rule
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zakydibben 3 weeks ago
@zakydibben about what?
aFriendlyArab 3 weeks ago
people in syria are fighting for freedom, yet when the riots were happening, people were fighting and breaking into Curry's for tv's. Its Sickening really
SoImanxD 1 month ago
you tell them! :)
lennydale92 2 months ago
well said sister well said indeed.
some parents need to also brush their own teeth.
AdAnthony1 2 months ago
It's an endless cycle and can't be stopped by normal means.
mattaddison19 2 months ago
10% of mu English Langusge GCSE is on this! lol!
jellybeangirl111 2 months ago 2
@jellybeangirl111 lol what?
aFriendlyArab 2 months ago
sometimes its good to live in the united states
Kalkas53 2 months ago
@anarchyliberty I'm glad there are people with some sense of sympathy like you.
TeifiValley123 3 months ago
the parents are normaly with them looting
MsKitcat12 3 months ago 11
burning down nandos? Sick.
IAlwaysCommentYou 3 months ago
@IAlwaysCommentYou hhahaha why nandos - whyyyyyyy - now where am i going to take my date???? looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
tomboy287 2 months ago
funny when people say about benfits when the queen is biggest benfit cheat
when the banker looted millions no1 complained then
people are fed up more worst the cuts and everything goes boiling point is gonna happend occupying aready started thats going to become riots
MrAloo14 3 months ago
dodgy accent
minoritybrit 3 months ago
Good point, i find it wrong sometimes when adults and older people stereotype young people for being bad. But In History in school, we're constantly reminded of the destruction adults and older people caused when they were young, which has caused much more destruction than we are doing today.
Tom7Burton 3 months ago
Good point, i find it wrong sometimes when adults and old people stereotype young people for being bad. But In History in school, we're constantly reminded of the destruction adults and old people caused when they were young, which has caused much more destruction than we are doing today.
Tom7Burton 3 months ago
what do you think about our government? looting islamic countries?
MrGangaheaD88 3 months ago
ok i guess im too ugly
wank0r 3 months ago
wow nice views!
ningakid99 3 months ago
Well Said! - You've got your head screwed on!
Pat Condell would be proud!
xoio 4 months ago
You are heroine for UK and a role model for the youth... whats your name ?
Basit30111986 4 months ago
great video, ur a heroine for us
PSFUOM 4 months ago
this generation of YOUTHS is control by the police state unlike 1992 LA riot which is last generation who had ball and stoop up for the rights.
also you talk funny violence will get some were none violence will take longer to get some were
jigilowman 4 months ago
United States Empire IV
The US Imperial Forces invades Japan Mexico and Haiti colonizes with 20 Million Whites then exterminates 60% of natives and builds military bases and breeding camps at strategic points...
XMasterDragon 4 months ago
Turks fought back .... yeeehyyyyy,, let's "all" clap for the Turks... we're the best yeeeeeeehyyy
Seriously though, try to loot a Turkish shop and you'll get fucked .. haha I don't live in England, that shit would NEVER happen here. People don't take lightly on some fuck faces destroying and looting their property
Respect my Authoritheeeyyy
3choBlaster 4 months ago
THE GIRL IS RIGHT THE GIRL IS RIGHT! WHY WHY WHY ARE U DOING THIS GO HOME AND FUCK OFFU RIOTS
MrCooldude12319 4 months ago
this video is good. its good to see someone viewing like this aswell :')
thevALIANT98 4 months ago
hey i realy appreciate this video. its hood to see another tenneger viewing it like this :')
thevALIANT98 4 months ago
its only get worse as time progresses, arm yourself people
bmxadamshreds 4 months ago
This girl is absolutely spot on. These kids are given education, health care, money and opportunity - all they have to do is work hard. Yet instead they feel they have the right to steal from others who have worked hard.
Make them work hard during their prison sentences - teach them what it takes to make an honest living.
Starsandfunk 4 months ago
IF I WAS YOU I WOULD BE MAKING A VIDEO ON WHY WE ARE PAYING TAXES TO THE MAFIA , IM SORRY * TO THE GOVERNMENT TO BUY WEAPONS AND BULLETS TO INVADE COUNTRIES SIMILAR TO WHERE YOU ARE FROM and IM FULL WHITE ENGLISH OR GROUP W1 AS THE POLICE LIKE TO PUT ME IN ...
alppmrp 4 months ago
Well Said!
MrThePS3Guy 4 months ago
Im really disppointed that so many commenters here are so racist in their thinking. They either hate immigrants or want all black people gone or blame them or complain about them. I remember seeing that video of the Malaysian kid getting robbed...and who robbed him? A WHITE kid :s
Half or more of these kids are locals..so come better than that.
Your behaviour and theirs CANNOT and SHOULD NOT be entertained...you too are contributing to the ROT of society.
HappinessIzBriShaped 4 months ago
what do you expect lol. ive been to britian and have seen the way the kids are, they have bad attitudes.
caramello1989 4 months ago
it's a bit unfair to say that - not all of us do - as you can see from this video, many of us actually do have morals, it's just the little shits who think it's cool to be a little shit. - Alot of it is down to bad parenting - they are shown no dicipline whatsoever, so what do you expect? Honestly people who's parents are good, litterally hit us with slippers if we do something bad - If a child is misbehaving you dicipline them, not encourage them.
InuMaddie 4 months ago
They burnt down nandos? ARRRGHHH NOW ITS PERSONAL!!!
lilsi93 4 months ago
Hi. You're fucking awesome!
FreeAndroidAppsGames 4 months ago
this is what happens when a country gets to sociologically peaceful and the people get to comfortable with each other, since their not dellusional and fighting their selves, they look behind the mask of "safety" and see who the real bully is monitoring them and controlling every aspect of their little cursed lives.
MusicRallys 4 months ago
@chetopuffs your ill advised, frequently patronising opinion. Move to Tower Hamlets for a month, try and live on £30 a week - THEN talk about why society drives these people to rioting.
Precious9Luv 4 months ago
obviously the people doing the looting were sick, disillusioned people. But stuff like this doesn't come about for no reason. Britain is becoming more and more a socialist state; taxing familys, businesses to the extreme and pumping it into the welfare system, free houses, free money basically. If you continue to do this you will create a subsection of society because there is no incentive to work, there is no disincentive to behave badly and people have been trapped like this for generations.
Ranny1456 4 months ago 3
@Ranny1456 I agree and I disagree, while there are people who live off benefits and take advantage of this 'free money' system, i think that most people would still want to study and work hard to be able to have a better quality of life, but the fact is the social aspects of those lives lead people to believe that HAVE to live that way, as if there's no way out. It's just an illusion to keep the poor people poor (and stupid because they feel the need to drop out of school)
aFriendlyArab 4 months ago 2
Surely there's the unwinnable war in Afghanistan, the bank bail outs, the unpaid taxes from corporations and the subsidising of events such as opera that are wasting taxes a lot more than the wellfare state. Secondly, I honestly think that, although these riots were acts of barbarity, they cannot be dismissed entirely as such. There is a huge problem with a disengaged youth and this must be dealt with. wwwdotguardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/11/london-riots-davidcameron
Famalamadan 4 months ago
@Ranny1456 Loving how you try and equate a socialist state with riots when things like this only ever happen when the Tories are in power.The problem isn't political.It isn't even social. It's cultural. If it was because of DA BIG EVIL SOCIALISM, they would've stolen things they needed rather than wanted.It's the absolutely spastic celebrity culture and the worship of false idols.Ask one of these kids what they want to do for a living.Not one would say a plumber or electrician.They'll say rapper
wtfuchattin 3 months ago
I like how concerned some people are, this means that they actually understands the problem,being young myself and not living in there i cannot fully understand the problem,but i hope,that people understands that this happens almost every day in different points of the world.I Blame secret societys that has taken all of the money and asks for more and more( obama's 350b debt for example) which creates more money and makes big problem for economy.
1991donatas 4 months ago
In egypt they protest for freedom and democracy,in syria and libya they give their lifes so their country can have the essential things we in europe take for granted.Freedom of speech,human rights,
In england europe.They protest for what? kids 15-20 years old,busting up shops,robbing innocent people,destroying
property for millions. Please give me an real good explanation for why they do this?? It makes me sick!
hitta123 4 months ago
not every family i shte ideal family.don't u know about single mothers we have to leave their children at home to go to work and put a roof over their head and cant afford childcare.some mothers dont have a gd relationship wiv their schildren.theres loads of different crcumstances familys can be in.
traiE15 4 months ago
I worry about the future. There is a whole generation of disaffected youth in much of the Western World. I fear that peak oil, coming global food shortages, growing water crises, and the collapse of the major global fiat currencies, will combine with the effects of global warming to create a perfect storm. While the Islamic world will enjoy a new birth of freedom, Asia will soon be militarized, and Europe, the US, or both, will follow false messiahs into totalitarianism (as Germany once did).
Tophet7 4 months ago
@anarchyliberty Just wait when the food stop coming to the rich and middle class and the gas is to a point you can't pay then they will see.
MrUniqueosmosis 4 months ago
This is what we call a proper British knee jerk reaction.
trianni123 4 months ago 3
go u girl
DramaSuperQueenxox 4 months ago
Obviously the people burning and pillaging for no reason claiming its because they are poor are the pieces of shit that should be benief the footheels to begin with.
Its as this girl says. They have food. They have shelter. So big fucking deal they are poor and not trendy. You do not have the justification to go cause destruction and harm people for your own fucking greedy nature.
Those people are trash. It would make sense if say they were starving and stealing food. This is not the case. Sad
WildBuck007 4 months ago
Obviously the people burning and pillaging for no reason claiming its because they are poor are the pieces of shit that should be benief the footheels to begin with.
Its as this girl says. They have food. They have shelter. So big fucking deal they are poor and not trendy. You do not have the justification to go cause destruction and harm people for your own fucking greedy nature.
Those people are trash. It would make sense if say they were starving and stealing food. This is not the case. Sad
WildBuck007 4 months ago
you should have done more research into why these people were doin what they were doing.
If you knew anything about kids from council estates then you would know that they cant get jobs since they are VERY likely to get involved in gangs even if they dont want to.
Employers are less likely to employ kids from council estates.
And the riots were about police and authority not about wealth.
But i doubt you would know any of this anyway being from a safer (richer) part of London...
dec20056 4 months ago 4
@dec20056 i'm actually from one of the places that got rioted. and all of my friends live in council estates. you criticize me for judging them when you've clearly judged me from this less than 3 minute video.
aFriendlyArab 4 months ago 18
@dec20056 ummmm...I don't think I could have gotten a job at 12 yo. either. I am from a Working Class family. It didn't cause me to loot a shop nor join a gang. The fact is that about 1/3 of the rioters prosecuted already had criminal records and, the majority were barely of working age anyway.You should really listen to what SHE'S saying rather than preach about pseudo socialist nonsense. You say it's about Police and Authority? Would you really want to live with these criminals w/o that?
maurithechef 4 months ago 2
@maurithechef Thank you, I really appreciate the clarity in your logic
aFriendlyArab 4 months ago
@dec20056 I think it's absolutely disgusting how people like you invent reasons for why these rioters did what they did. While you're talking about "jobs" and "employers", these morons were setting fire to buildings that pregnant women had to leap out of to save their lives.
It's not "an employers" job to give a job to anybody. It's PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY to go find one. Or create your own.
Stop making these pitiful excuses for criminals.
LisaJJMerry 4 months ago
@dec20056
a very productive, indeed. she's right, they just don't care and are plane stupid.
pwoni 4 months ago
Their parents are pissed, they couldn't give a monkeys about their kids, if anything- they probably encourage this type of behaviour- or at the very best take no action.
computermaster 4 months ago
@computermaster WELL SAID, THESE PEOPLE NEED TO BE STERILIZE OR SHOULD OF BEEN STRANGLE AT BIRTH
kevin41761 4 months ago
Their parents are pissed, they couldn't give a monkeys about their kids, if anything- they probably encourage this type of behaviour- or at the very best take no action.
computermaster 4 months ago
@computermaster, The parents are absent, busing making more babies they cant look after, getting drunk/high or gambling, they have no time to train their children to be good citizens.
dapodokumentary 4 months ago
everyone get your slipper out!!!
WilGKR 4 months ago
well said, girl, wel said....
eiyjafjallajokull 4 months ago
@eiyjafjallajokull agree
Furbyolic 4 months ago
What a WISE young lady!...It is so refreshing to see someone this age who can see the truth for what it is!....Like she said..>Where are their parents?...And I don't care HOW poor you think you are....if you're sporting a blackberry/ I-phone, have a laptop ,etc. you're probably not as poor as you think you are!
alabamajan 4 months ago
young people,no jobs is a bad combination
mow1717 5 months ago
no nobody needs help, they need a fucking bullet to the head is what they need ..lol
88DRocker1 5 months ago
@88DRocker1 WELL SAID LOL
kevin41761 4 months ago
Iam Pakistani Canadian and in Canada things are worst then Britian and also Paki Canadians are below then all Races in Canada including Black, Indians, chinese and other Races but Paki Canadians always remain calm and patient, never they even complain or riot; even all other races donot like them because of their religion, color and country......I believe blacks are much better off in USA, canada and Britian but still they complain, use Race card and riot also in USA they are Racist against all!
shazlionusa 5 months ago
Haha a slipper in one hand. That's a distinctively Arab thing. Your kids misbehavin'? Whip out the shoes and start smacking.
RedContingency 5 months ago
guy got his head shot off with dumdum bullets,that's what started the riots,UN banned dum dum bullets from wars but police allowed 2use. riots will occur again for as long as govts/police act as though they above it
"hey dude come down shops its deserted,ransacked &goods are everywhere, lets get somet"
"nah man im burglin my next door neighbour 2night,hes got a top evo i want, plus ill get less than 2 yrs in prison if get caught,ill get 4 yrs if get caught takin them goods from ransacked shops"
magnusalexa 5 months ago
sirens every two mintues? i live in rialto,..errday
gabrielhuanosto 5 months ago
@gabrielhuanosto emm.. it's not a competition?
aFriendlyArab 5 months ago 18
@gabrielhuanosto the point is, she says she lives in a good neighbourhood, where this doesn't usually happen!
oxfordpictionary 5 months ago
@gabrielhuanosto lol its not that they dont wanna work hard for it, its the fact that there is no way to work for it! did you not know that unemployment is at its highest. I would'nt of minded paying £950 for this laptop if my local tesco's were taking on people. but hey, you see an opportunity and you take it right. thats how the world works. :)
tag1989 5 months ago
@tag1989 Well since that is the way that the world works usually people like you that think what is happening is okay are the ones that end up behind bars having "friendly prisoner" use you as their bitch and for what a laptop or lotion. Jeez how stupid could you be!
hinaynigenerations7 4 months ago
Police MUST maintain order using whatever means necessary! Use tasers, water cannons & plastic bullets
Set up emergency courts established to deal with rioters and looters. Minimum 5-year jail sentences must be given
ALL immigrant rioters and their parasitic dependents to be expelled from Britain
Stop ALL overseas charity aid to EVERY third world country immediately – they only breed, come back for more or their leaders steal it
CUT CRIME = ABORT NIGGER BABIES +STOP ALL NON WHITE IMMIGRATION
margopardoe 5 months ago
@margopardoe people like u are the reason order will never happen, ur first half of ur suggestions are great, 2nd half shows that ur a ignorant piece of shit that makes your suggestions invalid
Maxpow33r 5 months ago
riots have been over for time, however the riots for out of nothing
ThinkingAgent12 5 months ago
All experts in demography say that the fertility rate of at least 2.1 is needed to maintain a population: if this rate is less, the population would desappear. France..........1.9 Great Britian.1.8 Netherlands.1.7 Belgium......1.6 Germany.....1.4 Italy..............1.3 Spain...........1.3 Poland.........1.2 Reminder The minimum fertility rate for sustainable population is 2.1 European women 1.8 Asiatic women 2.7 Arab women 3.7 Turkish women 3.7 African women 4.3
SuperPiye 5 months ago
Guys, something seriously messed up is going on right now!
Kids are listening to Justin Bieber.
GeneralThornton 5 months ago
@GeneralThornton DXDXXDXDXDXDXDXDXDDXXDXDXDDXDXDX OMG DXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDX
ola6861 5 months ago
what is a nando? in america it's a nickname for a male named fernado.
batgirl9289 5 months ago
@batgirl9289 'Nandos' is a restaurant. I've never been but people love it xD It's famous for it's chicken :L
ClaireBrit123 5 months ago
@batgirl9289 nandos is a restaurant in england they mostly do grilled food everybody loves it here thats why people are pissed that nandos got mashed (including me)
XItsxANGELbaby 5 months ago
wish I had a blackberry :/
mattdavi0 5 months ago
Try to think... Instead of attacking the symptoms, you need to see the reason behind it, and fix that, and that is big social and economic problems. When things go south, it's the weakestand the poorest in a society that get's to take the fall. Wake up, open your eyes.
mycide 5 months ago
Right on sister, right on...
Lilypad12681 5 months ago
USA's Economy is worse and were not rioting...
iGuthixg 5 months ago
@iGuthixg not really, but for whatever reason in the US people regard riot with "uncivilized", France riots nearlya every day. America needs more riots, they do not mean anarchy all the time. This was a violent riot, aimed at nothing in particularaaa, now if civilians in the US could aim a riot at their senators and government officials, now that would be something special
wingwaabuddha 5 months ago
you are a very inteligent girl, wish these kids that were rioting could at least think like you
dabrazillionaire 5 months ago
Rioting is a symptom of a sick society. Here are just a few examples: Argentina 2001 - 26 Killed . Gujarat 2008 - 1,000's Killed Nairobi 2007- 100's Killed. LA riots 1992 - 53 Killed. Bombay riots 1992 - Approx. 900 Killed. 1968 Louisville and Chicago Riots - 13 Killed. 1921 Tulsa race riots - 100's Killed............................................................ Rioting is a symptom, the cause of the rioting is the problem we must address.
robertoandproctor 5 months ago
@robertoandproctor The erosion of christian values in Britain = lawless and godless youths ritoing like feral locusts. Tell someone that they are created in the image of an animal and they behave like one.
Thechristiancullen 5 months ago
i cudnt say it any better, nice vid :-)
tomsky52 5 months ago
and to think, the riots had so much potential to evolve to be a great political movement, posibly even a second "power to the people" movement
marcuspinson 5 months ago
the powers that be are to blame with stupid human rights laws!!!! bring back civil service, bring back the cane at school, bring back capital punishment. why are prisoners playing on consoles and watching tv when locked up? why are we handing out thousands of tax payers money to families who take drugs? why are we housing illegal immigrants who dont pay taxes yet work cash in hand? history always repeats itself and you have to burn down a corrupt nation to build a new and fairer way of life.....
huslermatt 5 months ago
@huslermatt why did the the banks get bailed out ? why did were the politicians that took money that they weren't supposed to take and then were forgiven ? why do you complain about qualified immigrants taking your jobs when Britain and most of the richer countries allow slave labor paying them almost nothing ? capital punishment does not but instil fear in the people of a nation, the government should fear the people not the other way round.
crzune 5 months ago
I'm so Europeans could put this one on Muslims in Europe too, despite looking at how successful and intergrated and far better Muslim Americans are compared to their European counterparts. But that's the way in welfare isn't it? Get all, give none? Keep it up.
No wonder you see Londoners moving to the US to discover Asians, blacks etc living it up in NYC in the highest social circles without a problem.
manimgoindowndown 5 months ago
I'm so Europeans could put this one on Muslims in Europe too, despite looking at how successful and intergrated and far better Muslim Americans are compared to their European counterparts. But that's the way in welfare isn't it? Get all, give none? Keep it up.
manimgoindowndown 5 months ago
Angry at government, steals from small business owners -_-
GhettoBlaster100 5 months ago
@mygodhowbigisthat lol im not talking like a black gangsta you idiot, hmm yeah i'm a wanna be black lad lol were does it say in that paragraph ' i wanna be a black gangsta' there are to many people like you why you trying to speak black everyone speaks like what i speak like down here so its not a wanna be its a 'chavish' language if thats how you wanna call it...
mcbustable 5 months ago
They are going to blame you as well, who cares if I'm not in bed by 10:00, I stay up till three or later and have no problems and it isn't for no reason, it is for equal treatment.
flipbus7734 5 months ago
We're on the brink of a global economic collapse due to the enormous invasion of the governments into what should be the private sectors of our economies. Around the world the people survive because of government redistribution of wealth. However these programs have been creating huge, unsustainable deficits. As the country's money fails these policies will diminish and the people who have grown dependent on them will create an uprising which will enact the police state. The world is changing.
darezaa 5 months ago
right on.
thank you for being you.
mistervogel 5 months ago
TBH people have done far worse things than this, and there are things worse than this still happening.
Stefan8u 5 months ago
I was on vacation in london when the riots started and i wemt to brighton for a couple of days and when i came back it was alll over.
noahmooi 5 months ago
drug addled criminal scum
trey4439 5 months ago
Almost all protest that become violent, are turned violent by people that want it to turn violent. I live near Pittsburgh, PA. The G20 was here. There were men AND women who began to turn protests violent by setting fires and overturning cars. Funny thing is that these people, when confronted, showed thier badges and said that the people confronting them were the perpetrators of the acts. He said she said, and those with "authority" will always be believed over the common person.
dominic150 5 months ago
Yes, the brainwashed youth. The ones who think they have to behave like a fcking moron in MTV. The fcking moron who pisses on evrything and SUE if you dare to stop him/her. I agree, the multiculturalism and lefticism ideas in pratice = London Burning.
Friendly advice, i dont care if im called a racist cause i know im not. I dont care if im called a cop, cause i am. I dont care if im called as stupid, cause i am educated, but making the insult... tells me that YOU are full of it. Thbs Up =)
preetor1 5 months ago
Girl those kids have nothing in those hoods and they see happy kids with theyr ps3 and xbox 360. And those kids teese them for it.
If i was like that it would feel great to me to ask "are you coming online tonight"
because of that i understand.
jensibowable 5 months ago
Immagine what the cops would do to those ten year olds.
They dont make a diffrence between 22 and 10 with theyre chubby shields and theyr seal baby kill sticks.
jensibowable 5 months ago
As once said by Bob Dylan, "The Times They Are a-Changin"
Life has always been a choice between love and fear. Both change history, but nothing changes things more than fear.
SDBPR 5 months ago
Hi AFriendlyarab,
Please read this Poem to Mr Cameron, the full poem is on my channel...just click the 'show more' to read the full thing!.
I'd be interested in your feed back!
Dear Mr.Cameron, you say we're broken and sick
But we're just sick of being broke and putting up with this shit.
Its not 'pockets of society', its about society's pockets
This country eats its young, its up to us to stop it
Our Tuition fees tripled and EMA axed
20% V.A.T. and even more and more tax!
freedomsnowhere 5 months ago
Good point well made.
But the riots still happened for a reason; do you really think that this generation of inner city youth have become morally corrupted? Or are wider societal factor to blame?
GrandNarrative 5 months ago
It is all Harry Potter's fault.
dante1amber1 5 months ago
No hate, just critiquing your piece. I agree that young kids shouldn't be looting etc. but the idea of looting is actually supported in Britain. Firstly, what is a museum? Items stolen from other countries to showcase in this country for its benefit. Also for the last decade & counting Brit & US have stolen many natural resources from the middle east under false pretences of war. So for a country to get upset when it is disarray, when it inflicts the same treatment globally, imo is laughable.
chikacheexw 5 months ago
I more than agree with you!! You go girl!!!
242ejr 5 months ago
You are Tottaly right be safe and dont go outside you might get robbed or more all of you in London be safe and take care
thewulff1 5 months ago
You are Tottaly right be safe and dont go outside you might get robbed or more all of you in London be safe and take care :)
thewulff1 5 months ago
You are Tottaly right be safe and dont go outside you might get robbed or more all of you in London be safe and take care :)
thewulff1 5 months ago
Someone obviously influenced these people to do such destructive acts.
And as for your title, not only is the youth involved but many adults.
Peace.
IWantMyVisionBack 5 months ago 5
@IWantMyVisionBack Good response. The Truth!
BravedaveNL 5 months ago
SCHWINGGG!!
CarsonsVideos 5 months ago
One day the word peaceful will become a very dangerous word.
kassop 5 months ago 2
2012!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
chaustin11 5 months ago 2
you go girl :)
ugonna007 5 months ago
I completely agree with you and at the moment in phycology we are debating and talking about the London riots. HOWEVER i do think that you should not be calling these kids SICK,also i'm not so sure about telling them to literally go say their prayers!? hmm.. well whatever but i do agree on some aspects you mention.
KezFoxTrot 5 months ago
THANKYOU SO MUCH!!! such a bad stereotype on us today I hate it! And Why, oh why.....WOULD THEY DO THAT TO NANDOS!!?? I LOVE IT
cheesey170 5 months ago
Im from sweden and seriously;with our multiculturalism and unemployment I wouldnt be that surprised if riots began to uproar here too.Especially with the lame attitud towards human problems as the government has!
btw,nandos looks real tasty
91Tribual 5 months ago
aFriendlyArab@ I agree with alot you say however this riot was a long time coming and you are right they shouldnt be looting but you have to ask a question what drives ppl to do this? These kids need something to do,they dont have role models or facilities like youth centres, they come from broken societies/families. Its easy to talk friendlyarab.
I wonder if you made a video when the bankers lost billions and sent our country into financial meltdown? Or when the Govt. announced cuts? Hmm!
MrPragmatism 5 months ago
Just kids who watched V for Vendetta
3822218 5 months ago
Amen girl, I have a 3 year old, but believe me if she was 10 and doing this shit I would grab her by the ear and drag her in, locking her in her room!!!! Some parents don't give a shit. Don't blame the kids, blame the fucking parents! They obviously don't know any better, stupid lazy idiot parents!!!!
LoveMyKeiraLou 5 months ago
they feel that the world owes them something. Entitlement mentality on steroids!
blackaristo 5 months ago
one note there are no safe places in london
JustaC00lGuy 5 months ago
Jme must of relized that crime aint that good now init
Storm1053 5 months ago
The parents are a disgrace, all they care about is their fix.
brightmasihministry 5 months ago
the reason that they do it is because they are bored, lonesome and need something to do! I think that anyone on youtube that calls people nicknames and use really bad words and say something cruel personal are so immature that what they say are worthless. All the kids need is love, friends, some parents, a home and something to do in their sparetime
RoniaKiil 5 months ago
I agree with you! Not having any money or not getting public services doesn't make it a good thing to destroy and steal. I am 18 years old, live in Denmark and lives by eating food I can find in the dumpster and containers. I don't have any money, yet I don't waste my time making others lives miserable and steal.
RoniaKiil 5 months ago
Why dont the owners get a shotgun and camp out to protect their property and rights?
SPARTAMERICUS 5 months ago
@aFriendlyArab you are so young, yet you speak so wisely..... I wish we had here in Greece such young organized minds... You do great good to your society. In times such as these, where logic has swapped place with madness, the strong-minded have to become a beacon of reason & logic..
good day to you. :)
nickui 5 months ago
God forbid the British express their anger with their government.
Also, the parents were with their youth in the street(occasionally).
The kids care, or they wouldn't be rioting.
Maybe if there weren't so many reasons to be angry, they wouldn't feel the need to fight police: the force that promised to keep the people safe. They clearly failed in many respects.
That said, my condolences to those who wished to remain neutral, but could not.
GDuff123 5 months ago
@GDuff123 how generous !!!!!
birdandthe 5 months ago
This is one of the many signs that an era is on the verge of change. People are tire of a broken system thats causes inequality.
Hotwatty 5 months ago 28
@Hotwatty ur an idiot
ultimate8pac 5 months ago
@Hotwatty Look around the world. Survey all the world's cities and nations. The truth is clear.
Any city, nation or population with more than 30% blacks is characterized by rampant violent crime, corruption, poverty, disease, substance abuse and despair.
Yet those populations which are at least 90% northern European (German, Scandinavian) are characterized by wealth, peace, order,cleanliness, health, happiness and harmony.
AztlanPrincess 5 months ago
@AztlanPrincess Japan is cleaner more peaceful, lives longer and is in general a better place than Europe.
wingwaabuddha 5 months ago
@Hotwatty But you lose all credibility when you do what they did. What point do you make when you loot and destroy? In my eyes, they deserve whatever sense of "inequality" they feel. The destroyed their message.
Holmes245 5 months ago
@Hotwatty
Yeah, that's right blame the system, anything other than accepting personal responsibility.
venomousspiderwookie 5 months ago
@googlyarsetube I've paid taxes all my life and the NHS is rather wonderful thanks. You are a thick cunt that doesn't even begin to grasp the concept of human empathy let alone the concepts that might ask what makes a human being. Which is why you will die alone and miserable.
googlyarsetube 5 months ago 3
@linearnonlinear Typical right wing moron, you presume that anyone that has an opinion other than your own is an insidious "Socialist" or on "handouts". I've paid taxes all my life and the NHS is rather wonderful thanks.
googlyarsetube 5 months ago
Since when are people who are better off not allowed to be upset for people wwho aren't? Look at why they showed up n the first place. Against increased tuition, cuts in education, healthcare, and housing. This isn't just a poor man's fight. And sometimes to grab the attention of those in power you do have to show you're actually pissed about something. That you're not just going to rot and hold a sign while your public services are stripped from you.
Fuzzythegood 5 months ago 2
@Fuzzythegood they were there for 40 inch tvs not spending cuts
birdandthe 5 months ago
did they stop the riots?
couchwanker 5 months ago
@zzzzZodiac thats a very good answer. honestly, just twats all in all.
JCrazyKiller95 5 months ago
18/88
libertr33 5 months ago
Looters,thugs, bullies,opportunists and savages,sounds like a terrorist to me.Dont they hang those cowards?.
reekashade 5 months ago
Police MUST restore order using whatever means necessary! Use tasers, water cannons and plastic bullets
Set up emergency courts established to deal with rioters and looters. Minimum 5-year jail sentences must be given
ALL immigrant rioters and their parasitic dependents to be expelled from Britain
Stop ALL overseas charity aid to EVERY third world country immediately – they only breed, come back for more or their leaders steal it
CUT CRIME = ABORT BLACK BABIES + STOP ALL NON WHITE IMMIGRATION
audreyapardoe 5 months ago
This young woman makes absolute and perfect sense.
audioemotif 5 months ago
NO! NOT NANDOS!!! D:
BlakkbyrdProductions 5 months ago 22
what!, why would rioters burn down a hospital?
RelativelyHostile1 5 months ago
@RelativelyHostile1 because they are animals
amyhuk 5 months ago
All I know is I dont even want to have kids anymore..
MerciX1001 5 months ago
Shes cute.
1981WishBone 5 months ago 2
Not be an Americanist, but that's what happens when
1) the citizenry is unarmed
2) you don't vote for sheriffs making them accountable not to the the people but to the bureaucracy.
3) give people a large amounts of other peoples money (you tell them they have a right to it, they'll soon believe it.)
4) The government is given free reign to bribe the people in that fashion (because you don't have a constitution)
NathanJosephCole 5 months ago
@NathanJosephCole pssh americanist isnt even a word you silly prat. did you have to go to college to become a word smith? and your guns will be taken away from you when you form the North american Union. if Mexicos 108 million people cant have guns then neither should america. democracy is about majority rule
amyhuk 5 months ago
@NathanJosephCole Wrong.
bewilderedkettle 5 months ago
Thank you!!! Finally a peer who agrees there is no excuse to this mess...i don't care how poor they