One thing I will always remember about training with Fred is that he never made it easy for me to train properly... In fact I remember him being the most annoying person I ever had the displeasure to put up training with.
@ kungfufreddy, if master ang is sloppy then how did he get in all thoughs martial arts mags in the 90s?how is he a master?and to say that his students cant use his MA in a real fight is absolute bullshit.so your saying you cant punch or kick in a real fight lol what ya supposed to do blow kisses at each other.
Mart, Freddy seems to hang around anywhere where Master Ang is mentioned. One forum I looked at, someone claimed he was a 'supposed' expert on Master Ang.
Master Ang's Hung Kuen is not strict Lam Sai Wing Hung Kuen that you see around today, mainly because his sifu, Cheong Wing Kwang learned from his father as well as Song Siu Bo, who we believe may have learned a northern style village style of kung fu. Also, at the time wushu forms were becoming popular in Malaysia with the introduction of competitive wushu, which is why you will see some northern style forms in our training such as Tan Tui and the seperate animal forms.
Also, when he was younger, Master Ang very much enjoyed entering sparring competitions and won quite a few tournaments in Malaysia which is why you will also see a heavy semi contact sparring emphasis on our training.
So if you like, we are a hybrid style, however the core principles of southern kung fu are emphasised, such as solid stance work, efficient application of force at short range, and the strengthening and application of bridging techniques.
I train in Hop Ga with Sifu David Rogers and this guy isn't a very good teacher from what I can see. I am planning on going to Leeds in September for University and this guy teaches up the road. I asked my teacher to check it out and he recognised the name straight away and told me to avoid him haha. We watched some video Ang's students on his website and they were terrible to say the least. You can see the poor quality of his teaching by the guy in the background's sloppy form.
Master Ang is a brilliant teacher, dont condemn him coz of the guy in the back ground. I have been taught by master ang, its as much about you as it is the teacher, he can only take you so far the rest is up to you to practice. But if you want to carry on training at leeds then id gave master ang a go, you'll be surprised
I've got every respect for your opinion but my teacher was adamant that it was a bad choice (no offense) and I saw the videos of his students for myself. Besides I'm planning on going to London now instead and I'm gonna go to Shaolin Temple UK.
no, a good teacher inspires and pushes you to greater heights and generally takes an interest in making you into a good martial arts while also letting you get better by yourself, this is not what master ang does
master ang's MA is sloppy, his students are sloppy and none of his students can make their MA work in a figh, and that is down to his instruction.
Im a student of his indirectly and my MA isnt sloppy. he teaches my uni every few weeks or so and i think he is a good instructor. I train hard, and ive used my skills in real fights when i have to. It shudnt rest solely on the instructor if his direct students are sloppy then they have no drive
I reside in Leeds and study at Leeds Met Uni as well as take instruction from Sifu Ang. Having nearly 15 years experience in Martial Arts i can assure you that his teaching is exceptional. By all means come and see for yourself in September. Dont let the videos fool you, theyve been put up by some of his students and its really just them screwing around, I am a little disappointed myself by the unprofessional content, especially given the fact that most have only been with him for about a year
I am also a Leeds Met student and student of Sifu Ang. Though I don't have as much experience in martial arts as jericho, and several of our students also have prior experience in MA and they have never complained about Master Ang.
And Freddy, I care a hell of a lot about the martial arts and aspire to be a great martial artist one day...something Master Ang inspired me to do.
Everybody needs to realize that all martial arts are the same. Punch is a punch, kick is a kick. Respect all fighters, because martial arts is for self improvement... not competition. If you compete... good for you. But have respect for all of the arts, and put away this childish bickering.
not to mention ppl used it to fix probelms liek protecting a caravan guarding the emperor assassinating the rival governor so fighting over whos better is going on an ego trip
Did anyone else feel the snake demonstrated in this video was a bit floppy? And no thumbs tucked in? Someones going to end up with broken digits.
It's interesting to see the variations between different lineages in Hung Kuen. Our lineage does dragon quite differently. But I saw little distinction between the dragon hand and the tiger hand in this vid.
Jeez!! is this argument still going on? haven't you all got something better to do like just thinking about what YOU like from your particular style of martial art and not worry about what others think. Its all personal and should never be about boasting to others or worrying about whats better...you either enjoy doing it and get something from it or you don't. If you don't you try something else and move on.
ok so i have gone back to the start of the whole arguing thing. martial arts is about combat and fighting as fred says, but its not fighting for fightings sake. it is discipline of the mind body and spirit. if it was strickly about fighting it would be called martial, not martial art. its about bettering ones self and understanding who you are through fighting as well as the training to fight. watch the tea scene from fearless. it sums it up very nicely.
Cool Vid!, check out the link in my profile. I have my WEB CAM live running most of the time on that site, so if you want we can chat, I love chatting and being naughty.
I'm very deeply influenced by Buddhist philosophy, so I believe that we each have our own way of unfolding our insight. For a period, we have to burn the field to get rid of other people's ways, so we can see our own more clearly. When that happens, no need to burn grass anymore, so they say. Best of luck.
If you mean me, I don't abandon quality of instruction, I mean be aware that people train for different reasons. For some, just the social aspect is more important. What you gonna do? Choke them our for it?
Well, you have a lot of passion, Fred. I hope it guides you well. It's natural for real seekers to burn everything around them as they seek to find their own way. Quan is MMA.
Fred = Golden Arhat?? You do wushu as well, Fred? Master Chen's?? Forgot to say, of course ALL people are special, lol - and everyone has a different core reason for training. It's not always fighting. Is that wrong?
if kung fu doesnt work why does cung lee use it? and dont tell me sou shou isnt kung fu, its a ring adaptation of kung fu. second I have used "kung fu" on mma guys and I have yet to be beaten by them.
san shou or as its also called sanda came from Lei tai fights. which has been around since about the Song Dynasty. which would make it around 400 yrs. so its been around longer then the 80's. heck the the rule for gloves was created in the 1920's. so learn a little history before sayin its some new thing created to show chinese kung fu is useable.
also the techs are found in kung fu. heck there are 3000+ styles of kung fu. you can find just about type of tech from grappling and strikes that are found in styles like karate, and muiy thai to stupid crazy chi shooting fire ball BS. so saying that just because muiy thai dose nearly the same stuff doesnt make it a adaption of muiy thai. get over the well thats stuffs just in muiy thai. its just punching and kicking
actually its really easy to figure the differences between thai boxing and sanda. their stances are completely different. the way they kick is different, the way they fight is different. the only similarities are they wear boxing gloves shorts and they punch
Lei Tai was a event but the rules of sanda were based out of that those events. Lei Tai is to china what large thai boxing events were to Thailand. they created a place for martial artist to display their skills be it striking or weapons.
I understand your desire to find the right path of combat science (I do Yiquan) but the path has more steps on it than just being the best fighter. As an example, check the story of Chen Fa Ke. I also trained with Master Ang and have nothing but fine words for him, all of my teachers, and all of my kung fu brothers and sisters.
Fred, Wu De says that a teacher may teach what or how they want, and also that the student is responsible for going to them and asking to be taught. Real fight skill is one thing, but Wu De is another. When the two come together - THEN a person is something special.
Well commented Doug. Claiming that Master Ang's and Grand Master Cheong's credentials are false are obviously claims from a person who didn't take the time to research properly or stick with our art long enough and show enough respect to gain the trust of Master Ang and the instructors to talk to you about our lineage and style.
Everything comes with patience, and it sounds like you showed none
OK, thanks everyone for posting. Its been very interesting reading some of the more mature posts. I explained to KungFF that I do MMA for 4years under PL (see my vids). He is welcome to come down to PL anytime and run off his mouth in a full contact enviroment
I won't try to fight you or challenge you, because I hold no personal grudge against you. But instead I offer a hand of friendship and invite you down to train at Loughborough University. You can find out my contact detail via the Loughborough uni website and we can chat further about martial arts. I look forward to hearing from you.
i trained in Hung Ga, Aikido, Karate, Taekwondo, and Brazilian jujitsu. I have fight both within hung kuen and open tournament. I have done chinese Wrestling, i weight train 5 times a week, and cvs 5 times a week (2hrs/session with a strength coach), plus all the training i do with martial art, i don't push myself so i collapse, because you can't do it for a long run. but i do train very hard.
I believe there is a lot we can all learn from Master Ang, not just about martial art, but also about life. I am sorry you had a bad experience while you are training under Master Ang, and I am happy that you are having more success with MMA. Maybe MMA is more suitable for you, but I think for you to write Hung Kuen of is a bit naive (I will venture a guess, you are about 14 right?).
just this guys hung kune as it is in fact not hung kkune
i know some ppl (including my own valetudo teacher) who have backgrounds in trad hung kune and chu gar kune
alot of the techniques work in theory and sometimes in practise the problem is u cant train any of it hard enough for it to become natural to u as a jab cross is
The relationship between a Master and a student (not slave) can be simplified to one single word: trust. This is also the same word that bonds us amongst the students. It is a big responsibility to pass on knowledge. To give someone of questionable character knowledge of Kung fu not only could be harmful to others, but also to the students themselves, and it takes time to get to know someone. So as a student it is most important to be patient.
I have been learning under Master Ang for 10 years and help out under his guidance for about 5 of those years. As a support instructor, I feel very privilege and lucky to be coaching in Loughborough University. It is so much easier when you teach just one age group. Whereas Master Ang has a much more age diverse class so it is only natural that he needs to adjust his teaching style.
I agree that it is very different to teach a mixed age group, my class range in age from 5 to 63, so of course my style of teaching is different to yours! Neither is better or worse, and I believe that within Master Ang's school, there is a class suitable for most people.
Master Ang teaches one school of Tantui that is closer to our style, because Hung Kuen focus on solid ground work and jumping is not practical when you are fighting on boats (interested? Google Chinese history about the anti-ching movement). Which I actually think is a rather good idea, because we are no longer fixed to a certain style, we adopted to suit our needs.
In terms of tantui, it is original a northern style (yes, it is a stand alone style in its own right) focusing on jumping and kicking (tan = jump, tui=legs or kicks). The very first form shows you how to apply an arm break, counter attack against a tackle and one of the most fundamental aspect of martial art: distraction. These applications may not seem obvious, but this maybe because of the different level of ability (if you are interested you are more then welcome to message me).
The training of forms alone is not kung fu. Kung Fu exist in the hard work that you put it.(The stance work, physical strength training such as press ups, jack knife etc. like Freddy mentioned before, and stamina training such as running and skipping). There is no kung fu in forms alone. HOWEVER, if you just focus on such exercise and ignore the forms. You training cannot be complete.
What the hell Fred, where is this coming from? Why do you think Master Ang's training mostly comes from taekwondo? How do you know this?
We train sparring like that because thats how we spar in competitions, thats all. Every style has different forms for competitive sparring. To say we are limited in our training to the sparring techniques is rubbish...
...Master Ang teaches sweeps, locks, gouges, chin na, and a wide variety of combat techniques. You are so blinkered in your ignorance. So we don;t use these techniques when we spar? Who cares? The majority of people who come to our classes don;t want to have there leg or elbows broken when we compete. People who do go to MMA classes. Thas fine, thats there choice. We are not MMA
I hate all oriental classes that claim to teach "martial" arts. they dont. i have learned my skill and style through the street. which no is being finely tuned with MMA/valetudo. i no i can beat most of you at chadderton, as many of you have never been in a real fight in your lifes. you also dont realise i wont punch you. ill dive on you and smash you through a curb.
Well there's a blow. How long since you trained at Chadderton? You have just said that you can beat a group of children, as Chadderton is mainly a junior class. You arse. Please get your facts right before you make claims, and understand that we really don't care what you can or cannot do. Please go away.
Didn't your mother bring you up well. You probably go out at night looking for fights, no doubt learning your 'skills and style' by beating the crap out of people whilst they are on the floor trying to protect there heads whilst you and all your drunken mates try and stamp on his head.
fred please understand, we have listened to your comments, we simply don't agree, this is what happens when people grow up, we learn to accept different opinions. we as adults don't respond to lecturing or insults. please go away.
Everyone is entiltled to an opinion. We've all listened to Fred's, and now I think it's time to wave bye bye and good luck to him. I hope he is truly happy in his own world of martial "art" and that he now will leave us, and Master Ang, well alone.
For the love of god! You still here? Look go away, or better yet prove yourself. You are getting on my tits. I train at Pancrase London under Jess Liaudin, he just won his UFC debut and has over 80 proffesional full contact fights, I enjoy MMA and have been a fan of ValeTudo since the first IFC and PRIDE FCs. I also enjoyed immensely training with Master Ang. Continued...
You have displayed a lack of understanding concerning not only Master Angs teachings, but also life itself. You claim to follow Buddhism but your posts reveal you don't put your learnings to practice. Perhaps this was your problem with Hung Kuen Kung Fu?
but if u go to newton street and train with chu sifu u will see what u call hung kune is in fact VERY different (i'm not sure at the moment how good the training is as chu is approaching 80 something now)
but there they train REALLY hard(for cma anyway) they break bricks over there body they train the staff by blowing on incense sticks with the wind from their staff (which wrecks ur shoulders) THAT is real hung kune not what u do
please refrain from insulting people fred, frankly it is very childish, and if you are as happy as you say you are with your new class good for you, so are we, let it be now!
Also in grown up universes if we have a problem with someone, we take it up with that person, hopefully you catch the drift, if not i can explain more clearly, just ask!
Our forms are not made up. Grandmaster Cheong learned from a variety of kung fu masters in malaysia. His hung kuen training came from both Song Siu Bo, a student of Lam Sai Wing and his father, who was a hung stylist but of a very different lineage, which missed out Wong Fei Hung. Most of the the forms we learn are from Cheong Wing Kwangs family lineage. I know this because many of our students have been to malaysia and trained over there
I don't know where you trained, but the classes where I train at Leeds Met certainly bring out the sweat, probably down to the fact that we dont have any kids in the class. The Hung Kuen community happens to be extremely snobbish and elitist. There are many lineages that are not recognised by what you would call 'mainstream' lineages ie Lam Chun Fai and Chiu Kao.
Fred trained at Chadderton with Master Ang, Chadderton with Eric and later Ruth, and Abraham Moss. Yes, the Chad classes are predominantly juniors, but AMC is not.
Really? I was at Abraham Moss a few weeks ago, and the kids outnumbered the adults by quite a bit. Perhaps it was just that day though, its true i don't go there often
True, I was talking about when Fred trained there, I tend not to go to AMC myself, but I used to, and it was mainly a senior belt class. Now there are lots of kids, but as with anything in life, you make it work for you. If you train hard, you sweat! If you take it easy, you don't! Was it you doing tiger crane at the comp? It was good.
For gods sake! you guys are such idiots stop watching the ufc and get in real fight..you say you do..but how do i know your not all talk? Kung fu like i said is mainly for the kill...think about it..in this day and age you wont get away with murder. Now tell me..how is kung fu suppose to be effective? Kung fu can be for Health and for self-defense..but that self-defense can end you up in jail...they wont let people who fight to kill in the mma..you guys are retards..
I'd like to disagree that the forms are just set sequences to showcase moves and not to teach you to fight. They teach stamina, increase strength and drill techniques.
Go thru tiger crane the whole way through, its a good workout. There is much to be said about the techniques in that form as in many of the forms we learn. Tru Tan Tui is quite limited (which you probably frustrated to have to learn to begin with?) but tan tui was never developed to be a combat form, more excersize than anything
ok guys seriously grow up...if you guys have EVER been in a fight..and not just all talk. Kung fu will beat those mma fighters. Why? Kung fu is meant to kill..not for sport such as MMA/UFC ok? You dont see strikes to the pressure points in ufc,you dont use your nails to rip out your opponents throat..you dont tear their flesh off..you dont gouge their eyeball..OK? Kung fu vs Street fight...if youre smart and actually been in a REAL FIght...think again. Know your limits..
But the strength and stamina you learn whilst training any kind of martial art be it kung fu or mma are going to give you the advantage dont you think?
I have to admit anyone would be a fool to go against an mma fighter though without training to a similar level
kungfufreddy, Actually I took part in a full contact competition over easter in Birmingham and won. How can you be enlightened? It seems that you have already made up your mind and I have no intertest in changing it. Some one like you who has tunnel vision cannot see the world around him and will not learn from it.
Ive been a student of Kung Fu since i was 6 and now Im 21... your trying to say that my fighting technique is not influeneced by Kung Fu? Naturally tough does not come into it. Hard training brings its own rewards. Look at the size of Shaolin Monks... they art big but I doubt youd want to fight them! Its called hard work and not giving up something because at the time it doesnt seem to work.
it does not keep u fit at all. to improve fitness you need to raise the pulse to 40%- 60% of you maximum bpm. and remain ther for at least 20 mins. i neva broke a sweat in kk angs classes. they wer appaling.and i wud love someone to try and defend themselves the way you do against me.
What does that say about you? That you would like to have a woman defend herself against you? Perhaps you need to rethink your statement... or perhaps not. What kind of man are you if you think your martial art should be used to attack women?
if you practiced your forms in a street fight you wud get killed or severely messed up. i have no qualifications grades in any martial art as i believe it is glorified dancing
Of course you wouldn't perform forms in a fight. Noone has ever attempted to persuade anyone to do so. That is the whole point of what I do.... and I'm not speaking for anyone else here... the forms ARE set sequences designed to showcase the moves, not teach you to fight.
fred will batter any of you. iv fought with him. i no i could batter any of your students at my age/size/weight. its a fact iv seen you train and even trained with you.
I will put my money on any mma/vale tudo fighter against one of kk angs students
they do a glorified form of sychronized dancing. mma/vale tudo expecially the form practiced at manchester ground and pound, is extremely aggressive and dangerous. it is true fighting. they teach you how to survive not only in contests but on the street.
Good for you. Why can't you guys seem to understand that some of us (particularly the girls) do kung fu to learn a bit of self defence, (and I do mean defence, not offence, as I am realistic about fighting a man, biologically speaking) to get fit, and enjoy it with friends. I DON'T WANT TO FIGHT ANY OF YOU! I DON'T EVEN WANT TO FIGHT FULL STOP. All I want is for you to stop slagging off my friends and GROW UP!
hmm interesting debate here, i do not approve of many kung fu classes, because they do not teach somebody how to fight. which is the whole point as it is a "martial art". that was its original purpose and what it still should be.
umm....haha! get a life you pricks...stop arguing ^^. If you think youre soo good than go set up a meeting and fight eachother..record it so we can see who kicks whose ass!! Oh yeah!! you guys wont take it that far..since all you people can do is talk shit. LAME!!
I have no interest in fighting Fred, I simply object to my friends being accused of fraud, and the lack of respect/tolerance from Fred. And for the record, I have never said that I'm so good! I do Hung Kuen for the forms, whether made up or not, I LIKE THEM! I don't want to fight, if I can help it.
I don't! I call myself a normal, well balanced person with a hobby of Kung Fu. Fred, grow up. You are totally obsessed with this, and really, none of us are. Just don't slag of my friends (and members of my family) without justification. And you have no justification. Only your opinions.
You have insulted my family (my sisters and brother in law) as well as me. Only you could think that I was referring to Master Ang as my family. Although, he gave my sister away at her wedding, he is my niece's godfather, and you are frankly arrogant and rude.
i am not seeking attention tho very obviously u all called each other to this vid to argue with me collectively what u could not argue about on your own
i just want ppl to know mty opinions on master ang and his "art"(pshh) and hopefully dissuade ppl from training with him
Opinions are fine, openly ruining a persons livelihood, reputation and business is another. Master Ang has had students train under him for many many years, all of whom are exceptional martial artists. We respect each other, and our master and grandmaster.
Everyone can teach something. I'm a teacher, so don't even TRY to tell me about teaching. I learn every day from my class of 7 year olds, whereas you cannot even open your eyes to the possibilities.
LMAO! In Hung Kuen the forms and applications are not supposed to be used in fights, they are a showcase of your skill and precision, which is why you couldn't do them. Kungfuinstructor once said that you were the only person she found unteachable. And you know why? Because you were never willing to learn, listen and respect.
Doesn't work for what? YOu keep on about this, but what is it that you expected? To suddenly become expert at fighting, perhaps by osmosis? There isn't a magic formula, you know. It's not a Bruce Lee film, Fred, this is real life. You don't seem to understand that different styles are DIFFERENT, not better or worse, just DIFFERENT.
One of us? Honestly Fred, I don't care if you did more push up's etc than me, I don't care if you can kick harder than me, just don't try to tell me what I use as conversation. And if I get mugged, so be it. I use my brain enough to not get into a situation like that, rather than go out looking for one.
with all due restpect the fact that you started this argument and persist in maintaining it suggests that u look for fights, i think we all get ure point. just dont agree with it.
Fred I would like to remind you that slander is illegal.
If you had taken the time in the classes you bothered to attend you may have actually learned something. Your biggest problem is disengaging mouth and engaging brain.
Incidentally, you seemed to spend more time during sparring sessions in a corner crying over a kick to the genitalia because you had aunched yourself into a senior member without thinking.
Be careful now Fred. You are on very dangerous ground here. As a professional person, I am advising you to refrain from accusing people of crimes without evidence. You are accused of slander and the evidence is right here. Just don't get into something you can't get out of.
One thing I will always remember about training with Fred is that he never made it easy for me to train properly... In fact I remember him being the most annoying person I ever had the displeasure to put up training with.
Also master Ang is a very good man.
deadedd 9 months ago
my teacher Master Ang he's so good and funny somtimes! he's a great teacher!
J4H1DTV 1 year ago
wish i could still go. Master Ang is a good teacher. And Eric was good to and at basketball haha. thanks or the vid man
jonnyHwood 1 year ago
awh. i used to be taught by master ang when i was younger. :)
Tomamo5 1 year ago
just to be clear hung kuen is hong gia rite?
superhollowfox 1 year ago
Used to train Hung Kuen In manchester under Master Ang, but have now moved on to Wing Chun in London.
It's simply a lot more practical for the present life situations
mariposadeamor 1 year ago
@ kungfufreddy, if master ang is sloppy then how did he get in all thoughs martial arts mags in the 90s?how is he a master?and to say that his students cant use his MA in a real fight is absolute bullshit.so your saying you cant punch or kick in a real fight lol what ya supposed to do blow kisses at each other.
666briggs 1 year ago
hes my teacher!
yeman1123 1 year ago
what the hell hes my teacher!
Jasonnman 1 year ago
master ang kee kong
666briggs 1 year ago
hes reading scipt =_=""
wwkit 2 years ago
thats master and hes my master
upgradediamond1 2 years ago
he used to be my teacher !
memilyweon 2 years ago
does anyone know his complete name ????
and from which lineage is he ?????
oyamarovic 2 years ago
Jesus Freddy are you still lurking around this video?
His full name is Ang Kee Kong, his lineage is Lam Sai Wing -> Song Siu Bo -> Cheong Wing Kwang -> Ang Kee Kong
martimus 2 years ago
Mart, Freddy seems to hang around anywhere where Master Ang is mentioned. One forum I looked at, someone claimed he was a 'supposed' expert on Master Ang.
blackalmaverick 2 years ago
Master Ang's Hung Kuen is not strict Lam Sai Wing Hung Kuen that you see around today, mainly because his sifu, Cheong Wing Kwang learned from his father as well as Song Siu Bo, who we believe may have learned a northern style village style of kung fu. Also, at the time wushu forms were becoming popular in Malaysia with the introduction of competitive wushu, which is why you will see some northern style forms in our training such as Tan Tui and the seperate animal forms.
martimus 2 years ago
Also, when he was younger, Master Ang very much enjoyed entering sparring competitions and won quite a few tournaments in Malaysia which is why you will also see a heavy semi contact sparring emphasis on our training.
So if you like, we are a hybrid style, however the core principles of southern kung fu are emphasised, such as solid stance work, efficient application of force at short range, and the strengthening and application of bridging techniques.
martimus 2 years ago
I train in Hop Ga with Sifu David Rogers and this guy isn't a very good teacher from what I can see. I am planning on going to Leeds in September for University and this guy teaches up the road. I asked my teacher to check it out and he recognised the name straight away and told me to avoid him haha. We watched some video Ang's students on his website and they were terrible to say the least. You can see the poor quality of his teaching by the guy in the background's sloppy form.
LUKESTFD 2 years ago
Master Ang is a brilliant teacher, dont condemn him coz of the guy in the back ground. I have been taught by master ang, its as much about you as it is the teacher, he can only take you so far the rest is up to you to practice. But if you want to carry on training at leeds then id gave master ang a go, you'll be surprised
dickies1922x 2 years ago
I've got every respect for your opinion but my teacher was adamant that it was a bad choice (no offense) and I saw the videos of his students for myself. Besides I'm planning on going to London now instead and I'm gonna go to Shaolin Temple UK.
LUKESTFD 2 years ago
no, a good teacher inspires and pushes you to greater heights and generally takes an interest in making you into a good martial arts while also letting you get better by yourself, this is not what master ang does
master ang's MA is sloppy, his students are sloppy and none of his students can make their MA work in a figh, and that is down to his instruction.
kungfufreddy 2 years ago
Im a student of his indirectly and my MA isnt sloppy. he teaches my uni every few weeks or so and i think he is a good instructor. I train hard, and ive used my skills in real fights when i have to. It shudnt rest solely on the instructor if his direct students are sloppy then they have no drive
dickies1922x 2 years ago
I reside in Leeds and study at Leeds Met Uni as well as take instruction from Sifu Ang. Having nearly 15 years experience in Martial Arts i can assure you that his teaching is exceptional. By all means come and see for yourself in September. Dont let the videos fool you, theyve been put up by some of his students and its really just them screwing around, I am a little disappointed myself by the unprofessional content, especially given the fact that most have only been with him for about a year
jericho696969 2 years ago
I am also a Leeds Met student and student of Sifu Ang. Though I don't have as much experience in martial arts as jericho, and several of our students also have prior experience in MA and they have never complained about Master Ang.
And Freddy, I care a hell of a lot about the martial arts and aspire to be a great martial artist one day...something Master Ang inspired me to do.
blackalmaverick 2 years ago
Everybody needs to realize that all martial arts are the same. Punch is a punch, kick is a kick. Respect all fighters, because martial arts is for self improvement... not competition. If you compete... good for you. But have respect for all of the arts, and put away this childish bickering.
RenegadeRows 3 years ago 7
not to mention ppl used it to fix probelms liek protecting a caravan guarding the emperor assassinating the rival governor so fighting over whos better is going on an ego trip
SoundwaveSuperior373 3 years ago
i respect what works. if something doesnt work i wont respect it just because its a martial art.
same with people.
kungfufreddy 2 years ago
if you talking about martial arts not working in the modern day. it only works if you remain dedicated and persist at it.
vinceeeep 2 years ago
well thats not what i'm talking abotu so what you said doesnt apply.
kungfufreddy 2 years ago
you respect what 'works'. and im talking about what works and how it works.
vinceeeep 2 years ago
lol i used to train with this guy back in the day.
ukmale164 3 years ago
Did anyone else feel the snake demonstrated in this video was a bit floppy? And no thumbs tucked in? Someones going to end up with broken digits.
It's interesting to see the variations between different lineages in Hung Kuen. Our lineage does dragon quite differently. But I saw little distinction between the dragon hand and the tiger hand in this vid.
patgreen69 3 years ago
Jeez!! is this argument still going on? haven't you all got something better to do like just thinking about what YOU like from your particular style of martial art and not worry about what others think. Its all personal and should never be about boasting to others or worrying about whats better...you either enjoy doing it and get something from it or you don't. If you don't you try something else and move on.
hairbearbunch 4 years ago
u are so right, many people just don't get that simple point u made. sifu johnson
1hotandsmartman 4 years ago
ok so i have gone back to the start of the whole arguing thing. martial arts is about combat and fighting as fred says, but its not fighting for fightings sake. it is discipline of the mind body and spirit. if it was strickly about fighting it would be called martial, not martial art. its about bettering ones self and understanding who you are through fighting as well as the training to fight. watch the tea scene from fearless. it sums it up very nicely.
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SexyGirl684 4 years ago
I'm very deeply influenced by Buddhist philosophy, so I believe that we each have our own way of unfolding our insight. For a period, we have to burn the field to get rid of other people's ways, so we can see our own more clearly. When that happens, no need to burn grass anymore, so they say. Best of luck.
Ghostfuture 4 years ago
coolio
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
It's not a crime. You have to do what seems right to you.
Ghostfuture 4 years ago
yes i agree
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
martimus, fred is obviously just looking for an argument, he is on you tube slagging off every martial art that is not his. how r u btw?
hannahkf 4 years ago
Yeah I know but he is good at starting arguments!
I'm fine thanks. You? Not been up to Manchester in ages.
martimus 4 years ago
yeah i'm not too bad, i've not trained for ages tho :(
hope to get back in to it soon
hannahkf 4 years ago
look its not my fault if alot of stuff simply doesnt work is it such a crime to call their BS ?
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
Lol - I mean I don't MEAN abandon quality of instruction - I don't teach at all.
Ghostfuture 4 years ago
If you mean me, I don't abandon quality of instruction, I mean be aware that people train for different reasons. For some, just the social aspect is more important. What you gonna do? Choke them our for it?
Ghostfuture 4 years ago
in a martial arts class ppl should be focusing on the martial arts not the social arts
my friends are at my gym and their is a great sense of camraderie
but we socialise before and after class
we dont discuss world events while stretching like angs class
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
Well, you have a lot of passion, Fred. I hope it guides you well. It's natural for real seekers to burn everything around them as they seek to find their own way. Quan is MMA.
Ghostfuture 4 years ago
Fred = Golden Arhat?? You do wushu as well, Fred? Master Chen's?? Forgot to say, of course ALL people are special, lol - and everyone has a different core reason for training. It's not always fighting. Is that wrong?
Ghostfuture 4 years ago
i dont train with master chen any more
tho i have respect for wushu
because they got rid of alot of the BS
and do not claim to be able to teach u to fight
i practise mma/valetudo now
when it comes down to it kung fu simply doesnt work against mma and this has been proven time and again
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
Can I ask why you no longer train with Master Chen?
martimus 4 years ago
i wanted a more fighting orientated class
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
if kung fu doesnt work why does cung lee use it? and dont tell me sou shou isnt kung fu, its a ring adaptation of kung fu. second I have used "kung fu" on mma guys and I have yet to be beaten by them.
wayoftheforesthand 4 years ago 2
san shou is not kung fu
it is adapted from muay thai to give cma some credibility
only side kicks are more emphasised
why do u think it wasnt around before the 80's ??? !!!!
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
san shou or as its also called sanda came from Lei tai fights. which has been around since about the Song Dynasty. which would make it around 400 yrs. so its been around longer then the 80's. heck the the rule for gloves was created in the 1920's. so learn a little history before sayin its some new thing created to show chinese kung fu is useable.
wayoftheforesthand 4 years ago 2
also the techs are found in kung fu. heck there are 3000+ styles of kung fu. you can find just about type of tech from grappling and strikes that are found in styles like karate, and muiy thai to stupid crazy chi shooting fire ball BS. so saying that just because muiy thai dose nearly the same stuff doesnt make it a adaption of muiy thai. get over the well thats stuffs just in muiy thai. its just punching and kicking
wayoftheforesthand 4 years ago 2
lei tai was a form of compettition where various styles would fight it out
thats like saying boxing is similar to a cockfight, it is in the sense its a compettitive venue but
san shour really did take almost everything from muay thai, you cant actively pick out the differences between the 2 methods for that reason
kungfufreddy 2 years ago
actually its really easy to figure the differences between thai boxing and sanda. their stances are completely different. the way they kick is different, the way they fight is different. the only similarities are they wear boxing gloves shorts and they punch
Lei Tai was a event but the rules of sanda were based out of that those events. Lei Tai is to china what large thai boxing events were to Thailand. they created a place for martial artist to display their skills be it striking or weapons.
wayoftheforesthand 2 years ago
I understand your desire to find the right path of combat science (I do Yiquan) but the path has more steps on it than just being the best fighter. As an example, check the story of Chen Fa Ke. I also trained with Master Ang and have nothing but fine words for him, all of my teachers, and all of my kung fu brothers and sisters.
Ghostfuture 4 years ago
wow i thought it was just master ang who was bad if all KF instruction is like his
wel i'm glad i abandoned CMA along time ago
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
Fred, Wu De says that a teacher may teach what or how they want, and also that the student is responsible for going to them and asking to be taught. Real fight skill is one thing, but Wu De is another. When the two come together - THEN a person is something special.
Ghostfuture 4 years ago
Well commented Doug. Claiming that Master Ang's and Grand Master Cheong's credentials are false are obviously claims from a person who didn't take the time to research properly or stick with our art long enough and show enough respect to gain the trust of Master Ang and the instructors to talk to you about our lineage and style.
Everything comes with patience, and it sounds like you showed none
martimus 4 years ago
That was to Fred btw, not you Doug!
martimus 4 years ago
If you question Grandmaster Cheong Wing Kwang credentials, please go to (wong kiew kit's webstite /answers/ans01b/jul01-2) and read up.
kungfudoug 4 years ago
oh yeah listen to the person (wong kk) who claims he canc chainge the weather with his chi
pshh
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
your an idiot
martimus 4 years ago
thats a direct quote have u read this guys books seriously
hes the david koresh of the MA world
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
OK, thanks everyone for posting. Its been very interesting reading some of the more mature posts. I explained to KungFF that I do MMA for 4years under PL (see my vids). He is welcome to come down to PL anytime and run off his mouth in a full contact enviroment
pray4death 4 years ago
where ?
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
I won't try to fight you or challenge you, because I hold no personal grudge against you. But instead I offer a hand of friendship and invite you down to train at Loughborough University. You can find out my contact detail via the Loughborough uni website and we can chat further about martial arts. I look forward to hearing from you.
kungfudoug 4 years ago
what style do you train in ?
do you spar full contact ?
do you wrestle ?
do you do weight training?
do you push yourselves so hard that u end up collapsing on the floor ina sweaty mess laughing ?
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
i trained in Hung Ga, Aikido, Karate, Taekwondo, and Brazilian jujitsu. I have fight both within hung kuen and open tournament. I have done chinese Wrestling, i weight train 5 times a week, and cvs 5 times a week (2hrs/session with a strength coach), plus all the training i do with martial art, i don't push myself so i collapse, because you can't do it for a long run. but i do train very hard.
kungfudoug 4 years ago
I believe there is a lot we can all learn from Master Ang, not just about martial art, but also about life. I am sorry you had a bad experience while you are training under Master Ang, and I am happy that you are having more success with MMA. Maybe MMA is more suitable for you, but I think for you to write Hung Kuen of is a bit naive (I will venture a guess, you are about 14 right?).
kungfudoug 4 years ago
16, i have not written hung kune off
just this guys hung kune as it is in fact not hung kkune
i know some ppl (including my own valetudo teacher) who have backgrounds in trad hung kune and chu gar kune
alot of the techniques work in theory and sometimes in practise the problem is u cant train any of it hard enough for it to become natural to u as a jab cross is
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
The relationship between a Master and a student (not slave) can be simplified to one single word: trust. This is also the same word that bonds us amongst the students. It is a big responsibility to pass on knowledge. To give someone of questionable character knowledge of Kung fu not only could be harmful to others, but also to the students themselves, and it takes time to get to know someone. So as a student it is most important to be patient.
kungfudoug 4 years ago
I have been learning under Master Ang for 10 years and help out under his guidance for about 5 of those years. As a support instructor, I feel very privilege and lucky to be coaching in Loughborough University. It is so much easier when you teach just one age group. Whereas Master Ang has a much more age diverse class so it is only natural that he needs to adjust his teaching style.
kungfudoug 4 years ago
I agree that it is very different to teach a mixed age group, my class range in age from 5 to 63, so of course my style of teaching is different to yours! Neither is better or worse, and I believe that within Master Ang's school, there is a class suitable for most people.
narooha 4 years ago
oh you mean sacrificing quality of instruction for ppl that arent really interested in learning martial arts as i was
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
Master Ang teaches one school of Tantui that is closer to our style, because Hung Kuen focus on solid ground work and jumping is not practical when you are fighting on boats (interested? Google Chinese history about the anti-ching movement). Which I actually think is a rather good idea, because we are no longer fixed to a certain style, we adopted to suit our needs.
kungfudoug 4 years ago
i have read many books on hung kune (some with pictures of hich look nothing like what he teaches)
most fights dnt occur on boats
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
In terms of tantui, it is original a northern style (yes, it is a stand alone style in its own right) focusing on jumping and kicking (tan = jump, tui=legs or kicks). The very first form shows you how to apply an arm break, counter attack against a tackle and one of the most fundamental aspect of martial art: distraction. These applications may not seem obvious, but this maybe because of the different level of ability (if you are interested you are more then welcome to message me).
kungfudoug 4 years ago
well they arent trained or explained like that
communism works in theory but not in practise
hell u could apply break dancing given the right timing
its still ineffective
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
The training of forms alone is not kung fu. Kung Fu exist in the hard work that you put it.(The stance work, physical strength training such as press ups, jack knife etc. like Freddy mentioned before, and stamina training such as running and skipping). There is no kung fu in forms alone. HOWEVER, if you just focus on such exercise and ignore the forms. You training cannot be complete.
kungfudoug 4 years ago
yeah but what u call sparring isnt really sparring is it ?
its tkd (unsurprising as thats what master ang practised mainly)
u cant strike to the head properly
nor the legs
or grapple
or throw
or even trap punches
so by ur definition what master ang does is nto martial arts ?
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
What the hell Fred, where is this coming from? Why do you think Master Ang's training mostly comes from taekwondo? How do you know this?
We train sparring like that because thats how we spar in competitions, thats all. Every style has different forms for competitive sparring. To say we are limited in our training to the sparring techniques is rubbish...
martimus 4 years ago
...Master Ang teaches sweeps, locks, gouges, chin na, and a wide variety of combat techniques. You are so blinkered in your ignorance. So we don;t use these techniques when we spar? Who cares? The majority of people who come to our classes don;t want to have there leg or elbows broken when we compete. People who do go to MMA classes. Thas fine, thats there choice. We are not MMA
martimus 4 years ago
so why have them if u dont train them properly ?
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
well when u consider that there are pictures of master ang competing in a tae kwon do event
doing tkd kicks and as i havge done tae kwon do before the rules for sparring are EXACTLY THE SAME
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
and if u cant do low kicks
trap limbs
grapple
strike to the head properly
kick to the head properly
strike to the back
submit
or anything excpet for going for the body then is that not LIMITED !!! ? ffs
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
it wouldn't work in a fight
samuraizkd 4 years ago
I hate all oriental classes that claim to teach "martial" arts. they dont. i have learned my skill and style through the street. which no is being finely tuned with MMA/valetudo. i no i can beat most of you at chadderton, as many of you have never been in a real fight in your lifes. you also dont realise i wont punch you. ill dive on you and smash you through a curb.
onehundredpercentman 4 years ago
Well there's a blow. How long since you trained at Chadderton? You have just said that you can beat a group of children, as Chadderton is mainly a junior class. You arse. Please get your facts right before you make claims, and understand that we really don't care what you can or cannot do. Please go away.
narooha 4 years ago
hes talking about the discontinued sunday classes
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
Didn't your mother bring you up well. You probably go out at night looking for fights, no doubt learning your 'skills and style' by beating the crap out of people whilst they are on the floor trying to protect there heads whilst you and all your drunken mates try and stamp on his head.
Prick
martimus 4 years ago
or he just knows how real fights go, my mate is a nice guy actually
and i'm straight edge so i dont even drink
all we are doing is pointing out the pretty god damn obvious flaws in you're "art"
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
'ill dive on you and smash you through a curb.'
Yeah real nice
martimus 4 years ago
my point still stands ,thats how a real fight would go and hes giving it as an example not saying hes gonna do it
the truth aint nice
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
get a life "kungfufreddy"... oh, and btw - MY KUNG FU IS BETTER THAN YOURS! *lol*
zapfly 4 years ago
i have a life its and it consists of martial arts mainly
go back to your delusion
fool
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
fred please understand, we have listened to your comments, we simply don't agree, this is what happens when people grow up, we learn to accept different opinions. we as adults don't respond to lecturing or insults. please go away.
hannahkf 4 years ago
Everyone is entiltled to an opinion. We've all listened to Fred's, and now I think it's time to wave bye bye and good luck to him. I hope he is truly happy in his own world of martial "art" and that he now will leave us, and Master Ang, well alone.
narooha 4 years ago
fine i'm done trying to convince u guys
u'l kick yourself in ten years
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
i know alot of u may be unwanting/unable to fight properly or go balls out to reach ur peak but if u want to train cma PROPERLY then go to chu sifu
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
For the love of god! You still here? Look go away, or better yet prove yourself. You are getting on my tits. I train at Pancrase London under Jess Liaudin, he just won his UFC debut and has over 80 proffesional full contact fights, I enjoy MMA and have been a fan of ValeTudo since the first IFC and PRIDE FCs. I also enjoyed immensely training with Master Ang. Continued...
pray4death 4 years ago
You have displayed a lack of understanding concerning not only Master Angs teachings, but also life itself. You claim to follow Buddhism but your posts reveal you don't put your learnings to practice. Perhaps this was your problem with Hung Kuen Kung Fu?
pray4death 4 years ago
IT IS NOT HUNG KUNE
simple as
look at what EVERYONE ElSE calls hung kune and then tell me its the same
i do not know how u could enjoy his classes after fighting full contact whjen u pretty evidently know what real martial arts are
they dont spar properly
or train with any degree of realism
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
look ok
i dont have a high opinion of cma in general
but if u go to newton street and train with chu sifu u will see what u call hung kune is in fact VERY different (i'm not sure at the moment how good the training is as chu is approaching 80 something now)
but there they train REALLY hard(for cma anyway) they break bricks over there body they train the staff by blowing on incense sticks with the wind from their staff (which wrecks ur shoulders) THAT is real hung kune not what u do
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
please refrain from insulting people fred, frankly it is very childish, and if you are as happy as you say you are with your new class good for you, so are we, let it be now!
Also in grown up universes if we have a problem with someone, we take it up with that person, hopefully you catch the drift, if not i can explain more clearly, just ask!
hannahkf 4 years ago
whatsthe point he knows how i fee land he knows very well that he's taking u all for a ride
have u ever tried posing questions like why are outr forms made up ?
why dont we fight properly
why dont most ppl break a sweat while training
why dont we train the same applications consistently
why has the rest of the hung gar community not heard of cheong wing kwang but they have of all the other lineages ?
ask him
see what he says
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
Our forms are not made up. Grandmaster Cheong learned from a variety of kung fu masters in malaysia. His hung kuen training came from both Song Siu Bo, a student of Lam Sai Wing and his father, who was a hung stylist but of a very different lineage, which missed out Wong Fei Hung. Most of the the forms we learn are from Cheong Wing Kwangs family lineage. I know this because many of our students have been to malaysia and trained over there
martimus 4 years ago
I don't know where you trained, but the classes where I train at Leeds Met certainly bring out the sweat, probably down to the fact that we dont have any kids in the class. The Hung Kuen community happens to be extremely snobbish and elitist. There are many lineages that are not recognised by what you would call 'mainstream' lineages ie Lam Chun Fai and Chiu Kao.
martimus 4 years ago
Fred trained at Chadderton with Master Ang, Chadderton with Eric and later Ruth, and Abraham Moss. Yes, the Chad classes are predominantly juniors, but AMC is not.
narooha 4 years ago
Really? I was at Abraham Moss a few weeks ago, and the kids outnumbered the adults by quite a bit. Perhaps it was just that day though, its true i don't go there often
martimus 4 years ago
True, I was talking about when Fred trained there, I tend not to go to AMC myself, but I used to, and it was mainly a senior belt class. Now there are lots of kids, but as with anything in life, you make it work for you. If you train hard, you sweat! If you take it easy, you don't! Was it you doing tiger crane at the comp? It was good.
narooha 4 years ago
i used to give it my all
it doesnt compare with what i do
martially
physically or artistically
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
i do believe this is all getting quite pathetic, being so provocative will not help anyone.
NA! no haga caso de él. no le dé la satisfacción de conseguirle herido para arriba!
hannahkf 4 years ago
being provocotive will help determine who is full of shit and who isnt
ppl keep claiming shit like oh kung fu is about peace and love and knowing yourself
bollocks
if that helps u find the above then fine but when u are supposed to be learning a MARTIAL art then its not priority is it ?
just wondering hannah have u ever tried learning a proper martial art ? or have u just trained with ang ?
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
For gods sake! you guys are such idiots stop watching the ufc and get in real fight..you say you do..but how do i know your not all talk? Kung fu like i said is mainly for the kill...think about it..in this day and age you wont get away with murder. Now tell me..how is kung fu suppose to be effective? Kung fu can be for Health and for self-defense..but that self-defense can end you up in jail...they wont let people who fight to kill in the mma..you guys are retards..
Chiyomori 4 years ago
OH FOR GODS SAKE u can try all that shit u like but it simply wont work
u dont train to our standards
u dont fight realistically u merely claim that u cn kill someone because it makes u feel like a man
get a grip and do some proper training
if u can do that against me i invite u to try
seriously i'll give u the adress and the times i train
u wont last 2 seconds
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
I'd like to disagree that the forms are just set sequences to showcase moves and not to teach you to fight. They teach stamina, increase strength and drill techniques.
Go thru tiger crane the whole way through, its a good workout. There is much to be said about the techniques in that form as in many of the forms we learn. Tru Tan Tui is quite limited (which you probably frustrated to have to learn to begin with?) but tan tui was never developed to be a combat form, more excersize than anything
martimus 4 years ago
aerobics does the same things and teaches u just as much
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
ok guys seriously grow up...if you guys have EVER been in a fight..and not just all talk. Kung fu will beat those mma fighters. Why? Kung fu is meant to kill..not for sport such as MMA/UFC ok? You dont see strikes to the pressure points in ufc,you dont use your nails to rip out your opponents throat..you dont tear their flesh off..you dont gouge their eyeball..OK? Kung fu vs Street fight...if youre smart and actually been in a REAL FIght...think again. Know your limits..
Chiyomori 4 years ago
But the strength and stamina you learn whilst training any kind of martial art be it kung fu or mma are going to give you the advantage dont you think?
I have to admit anyone would be a fool to go against an mma fighter though without training to a similar level
martimus 4 years ago
well why not learn what is more effective ?
or just stick to dfoing running and weightlifting
seriously
i dont know if uve ever tried mma but seriously i'd bet that u'd agree with me
not all cma is bad but master angs classes just dont compare
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
kungfufreddy, Actually I took part in a full contact competition over easter in Birmingham and won. How can you be enlightened? It seems that you have already made up your mind and I have no intertest in changing it. Some one like you who has tunnel vision cannot see the world around him and will not learn from it.
lborowai 4 years ago
i didnt say i was enlightened
and so waht if u one a comp NOT WITH KUNG FU
u may just be naturally tuff
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
Ive been a student of Kung Fu since i was 6 and now Im 21... your trying to say that my fighting technique is not influeneced by Kung Fu? Naturally tough does not come into it. Hard training brings its own rewards. Look at the size of Shaolin Monks... they art big but I doubt youd want to fight them! Its called hard work and not giving up something because at the time it doesnt seem to work.
lborowai 4 years ago
i trained for 2 years
with ang
and i learnt nothin
u expect me to wait as long as you have?
i learnt more in 2weeks at my current place than with him
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
besdes which i have seen kung fu ppl gfight properly b4 and they just resort to brawling
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
This is true to an extent with most TMAs. Are you wanting to debate the differance between MMA and TMAs? Is this why you are pissed?
pray4death 4 years ago
no
i just generally dislike liars and charlatans
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
it does not keep u fit at all. to improve fitness you need to raise the pulse to 40%- 60% of you maximum bpm. and remain ther for at least 20 mins. i neva broke a sweat in kk angs classes. they wer appaling.and i wud love someone to try and defend themselves the way you do against me.
onehundredpercentman 4 years ago
What does that say about you? That you would like to have a woman defend herself against you? Perhaps you need to rethink your statement... or perhaps not. What kind of man are you if you think your martial art should be used to attack women?
narooha 4 years ago
he is talking about master angs class in general
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
if you practiced your forms in a street fight you wud get killed or severely messed up. i have no qualifications grades in any martial art as i believe it is glorified dancing
onehundredpercentman 4 years ago
Of course you wouldn't perform forms in a fight. Noone has ever attempted to persuade anyone to do so. That is the whole point of what I do.... and I'm not speaking for anyone else here... the forms ARE set sequences designed to showcase the moves, not teach you to fight.
narooha 4 years ago
but the moves dont work
so why showcase them ?
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
fred will batter any of you. iv fought with him. i no i could batter any of your students at my age/size/weight. its a fact iv seen you train and even trained with you.
onehundredpercentman 4 years ago
I will put my money on any mma/vale tudo fighter against one of kk angs students
they do a glorified form of sychronized dancing. mma/vale tudo expecially the form practiced at manchester ground and pound, is extremely aggressive and dangerous. it is true fighting. they teach you how to survive not only in contests but on the street.
onehundredpercentman 4 years ago
Good for you. Why can't you guys seem to understand that some of us (particularly the girls) do kung fu to learn a bit of self defence, (and I do mean defence, not offence, as I am realistic about fighting a man, biologically speaking) to get fit, and enjoy it with friends. I DON'T WANT TO FIGHT ANY OF YOU! I DON'T EVEN WANT TO FIGHT FULL STOP. All I want is for you to stop slagging off my friends and GROW UP!
narooha 4 years ago
u cant defend urself with that crap
dont fight us then
just dont say that what master ang teaches is good
because it isnt
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
hmm interesting debate here, i do not approve of many kung fu classes, because they do not teach somebody how to fight. which is the whole point as it is a "martial art". that was its original purpose and what it still should be.
onehundredpercentman 4 years ago
Maybe he should fight against Henry Cookey lol
martimus 4 years ago
Frankly, it's beneath Henry. (But I would LMAO)
narooha 4 years ago
whatever tell him to come down
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
umm....haha! get a life you pricks...stop arguing ^^. If you think youre soo good than go set up a meeting and fight eachother..record it so we can see who kicks whose ass!! Oh yeah!! you guys wont take it that far..since all you people can do is talk shit. LAME!!
Chiyomori 4 years ago
i already gave them where i train at and the times they can come and fight me any time they like
i cant fight them where they train as there rules on sparring are 2 restrictive
u cant wrestle, strike to the head
kick to the legs
anything
honestly if anyone thinks they can match me i invite them to try
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
I have no interest in fighting Fred, I simply object to my friends being accused of fraud, and the lack of respect/tolerance from Fred. And for the record, I have never said that I'm so good! I do Hung Kuen for the forms, whether made up or not, I LIKE THEM! I don't want to fight, if I can help it.
narooha 4 years ago
so then dont call yourself a martial artist
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
I don't! I call myself a normal, well balanced person with a hobby of Kung Fu. Fred, grow up. You are totally obsessed with this, and really, none of us are. Just don't slag of my friends (and members of my family) without justification. And you have no justification. Only your opinions.
narooha 4 years ago
your family ? hahahah
dont give me that oh hes my master/father crap please
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
You have insulted my family (my sisters and brother in law) as well as me. Only you could think that I was referring to Master Ang as my family. Although, he gave my sister away at her wedding, he is my niece's godfather, and you are frankly arrogant and rude.
narooha 4 years ago
hahahahah awesome4 lol
master ang gave ur sister away ?
hahahahah
only at that club
hahahhaha LMAO
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
I don't really understand fred, why does he seem so persistent in commenting his opinions on this video? He must surely be an attention seeker.
And what is the best way to annoy an attention seeker? Don't give them any attention
martimus 4 years ago
i am not seeking attention tho very obviously u all called each other to this vid to argue with me collectively what u could not argue about on your own
i just want ppl to know mty opinions on master ang and his "art"(pshh) and hopefully dissuade ppl from training with him
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
Opinions are fine, openly ruining a persons livelihood, reputation and business is another. Master Ang has had students train under him for many many years, all of whom are exceptional martial artists. We respect each other, and our master and grandmaster.
kungfuinstructor 4 years ago
I sincerely hope that your current Master knows how utterly disrespectful and arrogant you really are. Your school teachers found out, as did I.
kungfuinstructor 4 years ago
i dont have a master i am taught by my friend/instructor
there are only masters where there are slaves
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
define exceptional, can they match us in a fight ?
NO
can they out wrestle, box, or kick us
no
are u as physically fit or strong as us ?
no
do u even look good as wushu ppl do ?
no
why respect someone who cant teach u anything ?
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
Everyone can teach something. I'm a teacher, so don't even TRY to tell me about teaching. I learn every day from my class of 7 year olds, whereas you cannot even open your eyes to the possibilities.
narooha 4 years ago
yes learning from 7 year olds haha
yes u are right i suppose i learned who to avoid learning from from master ang
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
LMAO! In Hung Kuen the forms and applications are not supposed to be used in fights, they are a showcase of your skill and precision, which is why you couldn't do them. Kungfuinstructor once said that you were the only person she found unteachable. And you know why? Because you were never willing to learn, listen and respect.
narooha 4 years ago
applications are called APPLICATIONS for a reason
and that is that u can apply them (or not in his case)
of course i was unteachable because i didnt se any use in what was being taught, but i kept holding on for something real, i didnt get it
when it comes down to it i know many hung gar ppl and they all say what master ang does is watered down rubbish
valetudo works
what he teaches doesnt END OF
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
Doesn't work for what? YOu keep on about this, but what is it that you expected? To suddenly become expert at fighting, perhaps by osmosis? There isn't a magic formula, you know. It's not a Bruce Lee film, Fred, this is real life. You don't seem to understand that different styles are DIFFERENT, not better or worse, just DIFFERENT.
narooha 4 years ago
LOL different to a bruce lee film
thats hilarious coming from one of you
i train 4 times a week
today i did more push ups jack knifes and punch bag lifts than u do in a year
i train harder than anyone at your club
yes we are different the diference is that u'l use kkung fu as a conversation piece so u can say OH YEAH I DO MARTIAL ARTS
then get mugged
i wont i work hard and then i work harder and then i fight harder than that
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
One of us? Honestly Fred, I don't care if you did more push up's etc than me, I don't care if you can kick harder than me, just don't try to tell me what I use as conversation. And if I get mugged, so be it. I use my brain enough to not get into a situation like that, rather than go out looking for one.
narooha 4 years ago
who said i look for fights i'm just saying that if push came to shove i'd have the odds on my side
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
with all due restpect the fact that you started this argument and persist in maintaining it suggests that u look for fights, i think we all get ure point. just dont agree with it.
LaFonseca18 4 years ago
no as i have said
i am only here to warn ppl about this guy
someone has to
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
I hope you can stop the childish behaviour. You are an adult (although only just!!)
With Respect.
P.S. Hows the dog?
kungfuinstructor 4 years ago
my blood hound died
of intursusception
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
Fred I would like to remind you that slander is illegal.
If you had taken the time in the classes you bothered to attend you may have actually learned something. Your biggest problem is disengaging mouth and engaging brain.
Incidentally, you seemed to spend more time during sparring sessions in a corner crying over a kick to the genitalia because you had aunched yourself into a senior member without thinking.
kungfuinstructor 4 years ago
i fought with seniors because i could not get better any other way
and so its my fault i got kicked ion the balls ?
trust me ive changed alot
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
fraud is also illegal ask ang
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
Be careful now Fred. You are on very dangerous ground here. As a professional person, I am advising you to refrain from accusing people of crimes without evidence. You are accused of slander and the evidence is right here. Just don't get into something you can't get out of.
narooha 4 years ago