@01andak Bullshit. The simple fact is that if this worked then those evil Multi-Billion Dollar Industries would find a way to patent it, and you'd quickly see some variant being hawked by the newest Billy Mays clone. Never underestimate the power of the profit motive. It's much cheaper to steal, patent, and market than waste billions conducting some laughable Stephen Kingesque global conspiracy.
@facetiousbadger Really? So imagining that the industry that toppled governments and has cost hundreds of thousands of lives would conspire to shut up a scientist is beyond speculation? I don't think that is either laughable, BS or Stephen King. History shows it is reality. The oil industry is even currently involved in destroying climate science in ways that may spell the end of the human race or at minimum horrible economic and human suffering.
@01andak This is the same tired claim forwarded by perpetual motion loonies. I don't doubt the unethical intentions of the oil industry, but they cannot stamp out a genuinely logical idea. We can't even control 4Chan, so what makes you believe ExxonMobile could suppress a noted scientist. Especially considering several independent groups have tested the mechanisms, and found them lacking. People make mistakes, and famous scientists are no exception. You are seeing conspiracy in simple
@01andak human fallibility. I also wonder if you've met any actual academics? These aren't Rotarians or The Elks. They can be some of the strangest, nonsensical, and most stubborn people ever. I guess that's the flipside to brilliance, and the ability to innovate. Regardless, good luck browbeating Noam Chomsky, Richard Feynman, or John Nash into being an industry shill (who therefore must also agree which is another thing contrary to what makes academia great.)
@facetiousbadger I've had the great fortune to meet both brilliant scientists and oil industry management as well as powerful bankers. There are good and bad in all of those categories. But the direction of the industry and their control of media tells me I cannot trust what I hear at face value. That is a conundrum, because I don't have the science background or the means to challenge the science, so I am forced to rely on a media that is notoriously unreliable.
@01andak In short, I am forced to do what nobody seems to want to do in this age of spoonfed information and say I don't know. Now the person twenty years ago could have said: "I'm informed and I know that there is a great debate about whether smoking causes cancer." How would that person sound today?
@01andak What I am saying, I don't know whether this is false science or not, but I've watched industry lie to me about what is science since I was a child and they were saying that there was a big debate about whether smoking causes cancer or not. Any scientist at that time coming forward with proof was treated exactly the same as cold fusion scientists. I suspect that cold fusion might indeed be bad science, but I no longer trust the media to inform me of what makes good science.
another scientist that is sloppy and unworthy of either their posts or salary...
6488ott 1 month ago
@6488ott Or the pressure of a multi-billion dollar industry that isn't above sacrificing lives or careers to continue its existence. Who knows.
01andak 1 week ago
@01andak Bullshit. The simple fact is that if this worked then those evil Multi-Billion Dollar Industries would find a way to patent it, and you'd quickly see some variant being hawked by the newest Billy Mays clone. Never underestimate the power of the profit motive. It's much cheaper to steal, patent, and market than waste billions conducting some laughable Stephen Kingesque global conspiracy.
facetiousbadger 6 days ago
@facetiousbadger Really? So imagining that the industry that toppled governments and has cost hundreds of thousands of lives would conspire to shut up a scientist is beyond speculation? I don't think that is either laughable, BS or Stephen King. History shows it is reality. The oil industry is even currently involved in destroying climate science in ways that may spell the end of the human race or at minimum horrible economic and human suffering.
01andak 6 days ago
@01andak This is the same tired claim forwarded by perpetual motion loonies. I don't doubt the unethical intentions of the oil industry, but they cannot stamp out a genuinely logical idea. We can't even control 4Chan, so what makes you believe ExxonMobile could suppress a noted scientist. Especially considering several independent groups have tested the mechanisms, and found them lacking. People make mistakes, and famous scientists are no exception. You are seeing conspiracy in simple
facetiousbadger 6 days ago
@01andak human fallibility. I also wonder if you've met any actual academics? These aren't Rotarians or The Elks. They can be some of the strangest, nonsensical, and most stubborn people ever. I guess that's the flipside to brilliance, and the ability to innovate. Regardless, good luck browbeating Noam Chomsky, Richard Feynman, or John Nash into being an industry shill (who therefore must also agree which is another thing contrary to what makes academia great.)
facetiousbadger 6 days ago
@facetiousbadger I've had the great fortune to meet both brilliant scientists and oil industry management as well as powerful bankers. There are good and bad in all of those categories. But the direction of the industry and their control of media tells me I cannot trust what I hear at face value. That is a conundrum, because I don't have the science background or the means to challenge the science, so I am forced to rely on a media that is notoriously unreliable.
01andak 5 days ago
@01andak In short, I am forced to do what nobody seems to want to do in this age of spoonfed information and say I don't know. Now the person twenty years ago could have said: "I'm informed and I know that there is a great debate about whether smoking causes cancer." How would that person sound today?
01andak 5 days ago
@01andak What I am saying, I don't know whether this is false science or not, but I've watched industry lie to me about what is science since I was a child and they were saying that there was a big debate about whether smoking causes cancer or not. Any scientist at that time coming forward with proof was treated exactly the same as cold fusion scientists. I suspect that cold fusion might indeed be bad science, but I no longer trust the media to inform me of what makes good science.
01andak 6 days ago