Puma Punku: How Hard Is Diorite? The Material Of This Ancient Place.

[AreteGriego91]

I am currently taking an anthropology class and a Western Civilization course. I found this youtube video in the attempt to understand more about the above mentioned. I am now more curious than ever to understanding our ancestors. Thanks for the video, and I have never, ever heard of Puma Punku but Macchu Picchu (spell check). Thanks 

[brienfoerster]

@AreteGriego91 My pleasure.

[MrRockhardalan]

No matter how these stones were carved or (Ground), the question still remains;- How did they transport these massive objects? Where was the quarry? How far did these poeple have to move them to the site and put them in place?

[brienfoerster]

@MrRockhardalan 90 km.

[gyro5d]

Puma Punku looks like a concrete factory I worked for. All the pieces ready for shipment or the broken pieces just left sitting around the plant. What else would you do with the bad pieces? Wouldn't they be building as they got the pieces done? Any pictures from above Puma Punku?

[brienfoerster]

@gyro5d I await the observations of Chris Dunn, and engineer, in August,

[gyro5d]

On a map it showed a river near Puma Punku in the valley feeding Lake Titicaca. If that river had much more water in it. It could power a rock mill/ smelter. You just proved there was metal in that river from the mountains. If, water was used as a lubricant under pressure, couldn't a diorite wheel could cut diorite?

[XxMoBsTaRxX]

do you think its at all possible that they some how figured out a way to break it down into a semi liquid form and poured it like cement?call me stooped.i have no clue about what it is and im sure its been thought of and ruled out,but when i see the stones they almost look like poured cement.you can almost see air pockets.like i said i dont know a thing about it and just wanted to know.

[brienfoerster]

@XxMoBsTaRxX Christopher Dunn, the engineer, will have insights into this when he and I visit the site in August.

[marshalljamesmills]

HI was pumapunku a stone cutting mill that ran off water and hydraulic pumps ? i think a STONE CUTTING router that can cut and polish. and router:s need lots of water and its still a hand tool

[brienfoerster]

@marshalljamesmills Precisely; that is one of the logical theories.

[marshalljamesmills]

you use steel to cut diorite i can see your point but i not at pumapunku no steel at that time

[brienfoerster]

@marshalljamesmills Very true.

[17soulable]

Apparently some sort of ultrasonics, a vibrational technology which cuts through the harder stone easier than the softer... but we really don't have to dwell on this, NO copper tools EVER found around the giza plateau should be enough evidence that COPPER TOOLS "IN THEIR THOUSANDS" WERE NOT, I REPEAT NOT USED TO CUT AND FASHION THE STONE.

I will leave the viewers with a riddle: the secret is a missing letter NOT found on the dollar bill, SOL-OM-ON, IS-RA-EL, 144 HOLD THE KEY.

[brienfoerster]

@17soulable Precisely; the lack of tools has been a problem, but that is a focus of our attention now; thanks.

[17soulable]

We know our ancestors were using power drills/saws as can be seen from the marks on the box in the kc of the great pyramid. Experts in the field have recognised this for over 100 years... so no need to pour the stone. The legends connected to the Ark/shamir "the worm that could split stone" appears to be some sort of laser, could this explain what looks like melted stone at Tiwanaku? btw, the Templars were looking for and found this Ark underneath the Jewish temple.

[brienfoerster]

@17soulable Very good points; Chris Dunn just showed Ancient Aliens T series that lasers can't cut the stone from Tiwanaku/Puma Punku, and neither can a plasma cutter; it was vibrational technology of another kind; but what?

[mikrobluess]

Somewhere on the net i once saw a documentary where they talked about birds using a plant to soften rock. Could this be the case with this stone aswell in the sculpture process? or is it just a myth?

[brienfoerster]

@mikrobluess That would take hundreds if noth thousands of gallons of concentrate; highly unlikely.

[KaylinJH]

very interesting, and you can see the flashes nicely. Who knows there could be a stretch of human history that we know nothing about. Think about it, if we were to die off suddenly how much of our information and knowledge would survive. the books would rot in a few hundred years the drives on the computers would fail, cd's dvd's would all "rot" . There would be virtually nothing left of our combined knowledge

[brienfoerster]

@KaylinJH Very well put.

[timberwolf613]

This ancient form of building in my estimate, was done by taking a maleable clay-rock dust mix, forming the material and " Firing" it in place. Then stacking and firing the next section, working the seams together. 10 Thousand years later after this mass has reached max density and mineral seeping has densified every orafice within the crystaline structure......Voila > modern so called Diorite.

[brienfoerster]

@timberwolf613 That is one idea; scientists are presently analyzing the stone, and we will see.

[brienfoerster]

The stone used in this video was sent back to Tiwanaku, for those that are concerned.

[everybodyseye]

My point about michelanglio's david statue is that it can not be made by cnc machine tools of today. A cnc (computer numeric controled) machine could not reach all the little nooks and cranies. We must remember, all tools are only as good as the hand that wields it.

[everybodyseye]

Today we use sand to make molds. Wood makes good molds. Any material that holds its shape will work.

Could the tool marks in the diorite have been transferd from a wooden mold?

I still think the diorite stones are molds used for pouring gold or silver. Maybe we should ask the spanish what the molded pieces looked liked. Are they not the ones who pillaged these magnificent people.

[everybodyseye]

The greeks were wonderful scultures. Michelanglio sculpted wonderful marble statues. Using a hammer and a chizle, and its perfect. Just because I don't have the skill to do it, doesn't mean it can't be done.

I wonder... I have seen poured granite. Maybe we are looking at poured diorite.

[brienfoerster]

@everybodyseye Marble, as in Michelangelo is about 3 to 4 on the Mohs hardness scale; diorite is 7. The idea that the material was poured is possible, but highly unlikely. What would they have used for form material?

[everybodyseye]

Finaly, someone beleaves in his fellow man. Thank you.

[brienfoerster]

@everybodyseye Many thanks to you! The Alien idea is too easy.

[katumm]

brienfoerster oye estamos siguiendo tus videos, muy interesantes.

[brienfoerster]

@katumm Muchas gracias!

[MrIhaveacat]

last i heard it was chuck testa

[spaceshipidentified]

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[spaceshipidentified]

The important part is even though yes a piece of steel or a harder rock can chip away at it.No matter how skilled you are it is impossible for man to cut it so smoothly and so precise with out the help of tools.Engineers have admitted that even their computer ran machines their blocks are still not that perfect when it comes to inside box cuts.It would of been easier for the aliens to cut,lift and build with their space craft's laser and tractor beams.They knew after one city we would make more.

[brienfoerster]

Must be the camera lens.

[So1othurn]

My god your fingers are huge!

[brienfoerster]

Well, I certainly hope not. Piece by piece we are putting the puzzle back together.

[UnitedCorpOfAmerica]

As with all unexplained structures there either was extraterrestrial help or "humans" were much more advanced than we are now... That means someone hit our reset button, DNA reset button? Hmmm... all these chemicals to alter us, stifle us and make us dumbed down... it's like the elite are aligned with the race that reset us.

[MucusFelidae]

@UnitedCorpOfAmerica "someone hit our reset button"

YOUR reset button!

Me is advanced enough.

[UnitedCorpOfAmerica]

@MucusFelidae It shows.

[brienfoerster]

Gracias.

[brienfoerster]

Entonces la idea de que los aymaras, los presentes que viven allí, hizo Puma Punku y Tiwanaku es completa basura. Si así fuera, entonces ¿por qué no sus descendientes nos dicen casi nada acerca de ellos?

[blackhog42]

@brienfoerster si, completa basura.

[iramuri]

que hijo de su gran puta madre este gringo de mierda hay que denunciarlo a las autoridades correspondientes de bolivia o peru puma punko pertenece a los aymaras nuestra obligacion es preservar el legado de nuestros ancestros no dejemos que estos blancos de mierda se roben tan descaradamente la historia de cultura aunque sea un pedaso de piedra eso es de nosotros sabemos come se llama hay arrestarlo y questionarlo seguramente se dedica a robar el legado de nuestros ancestros.

[iramuri]

you son of bich you breaking the law what give you the right to stole pieces from puma punku that is sacred place all you whities are the same shit I got your name and soon you gonna hear from bolivia you are allowed to wach and walk in puma punku but not to steal.give back these pieces that not yours.fucking thief.

[brienfoerster]

You are welcome; I will graciously return your purchase price.

[maxm12]

Thanx for all the backround noise!

[brienfoerster]

Please share it with me.

[HelmetVanga]

The Kuntur Monolith that many people do not know exists, it is being held hostage at a Museum in Berlin, it was stolen from Bolivia. When the law suit takes placed and filed, That museum will have to pay from the time they benefit from fees they charge to visitors to their museum. I happen to have a photo of the Kuntur Monolith.

[Chronix74]

@HelmetVanga can you please share that photo?

[HelmetVanga]

@Chronix74 watch my channel, the monolith is about 6 o 7 feet tall, it is dark almost black stone and the head is that of a Condor, the Aymara call it Kuntur.

[brienfoerster]

I will be there in 2 days and get some samples.

[DanFrederiksen]

thanks, good video.

I was wondering if the surfaces have been examined under microscope to look for indications how it was cut. like some forensic lab.

the surface must contain many telling elements

[brienfoerster]

I know; I will be back there in a week.

[brienfoerster]

Thanks; there may be no carborundum in the area, and certainly little or no diamond. The diorite was from 90 km away.

[mustanglead]

@brienfoerster Thanks for the reply Brien.. Maybe no carborundum or Diamond? lol this makes my head hurt!

[mustanglead]

So how common is Carborundum in the locality of Puma Punku? And how did they (the builders) shape the Carborundum for tool use? I am aware that Diorite is a rare rock but it is found in the Andes, I do not know regards Carborundum. I believe I read somewhere that Diorite was also used by the Egyptians to roll Granite. Good video putting the facts straight!

[brienfoerster]

Who are you referring to? Me?

[HelmetVanga]

I wonder if the clip poster knows that it is illegal to remove any artifact from Bolivian archaelocial sites, The prison time from looting is very harsh.

[brienfoerster]

Great; 500 plus to go!

[Brandon52Richards]

Subscribed, watched at least 20 of your videos so far. Really enjoy learning about ancient history!

[brienfoerster]

Maybe; but we need more evidence, and be more specific.

[pumapunku1]

FALLEN ANGELS WERE THE CONSTRUCTORS?



[brienfoerster]

Good point; we are simply trying to compare the tools we have with what they may have had.

[MsArgentana]

By the way many egypcian statues are diorite carved. How could they do it without diamont machinery wheels??

[brienfoerster]

I don't know where the quarries arr yet,

[chestrockwell47]

Hi brien did you get to explain to the ancient aliens crew about how hard the diorite is? Because they just help to spread the misconception that the only thing that can cut it or shape it is diamond. Nice vid tx :) John.

[brienfoerster]

No one knows who made them; and that is the quest.

[Helioanthrop]

NICE!!! yes I can see how MAN could machine these megaliths....however they wer aided by the SONS/SUNS ov GOD and  their tech power......Or at least the HIGHESTS PRIESTS or superconscious beings!! ov course there r differences between ALIEN races and Higher vibrational conciouss beings like angels spirits and such!! who agrees!!???

[brienfoerster]

My pleasure. The samples go to the University of Minnesota next week.

[DirtyPeopleUseSoap]

Wow, thank you for finally putting up a test video on diorite. I too was waiting for someone to give an example. Even to this day I still have not witnessed someone try to carve or even work with diorite until you picked at it with your knife. Thanks for the upload :)

[brienfoerster]

My pleasure. I am about to send diorite samples from Puma punku to the University of Minnesota for analysis.

[peng1965a]

@brienfoerster 1) could you show some video of the quarrys at Puma Punku?

Is it true that there has been no trace of tools found?

[Opinionator52]

Great video. Thank you for sharing the facts about the hardness of diorite. That gives better understanding to the machining possibilities. From what I've seen in previous videos, it appears that the Puma Punku stone work has no vitrification, is that correct? Thanks again!

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