I've heard this before. My doctor has been saying for years that alcohol is "by far" the most harmful drug we use. Apparently, it has the most profound cumulative effect that we've seen yet. Dr Drew has said this for years as well. I'm not sure what the standards were on this test, but it does appear to be consistent with the info I've gotten from medical sources.
I seen lots of videos that say smoking cannabis makes u do more harder drugs, well i dont t hink thats true because for me it was the alcohol that helped towards me doing arder drugs, It made me more confident and more depressed so i wanted to try something different and CHEAPER! the price of drinks down the pub and clubs are a fucking joke
Allot of Illegal drugs have a highly positive simulative effect on the brain and body enhancing mental and physical abilities. They can also be enjoyed in a party sense like alcohol but psychedelics should only primarily be used in a spiritual/open-minded way. Due to the often ignorant party mind-set the mind may not be able to handle the experience and could lead to a very negative experience. The powers that be fear the healing and mind freeing potential of allot of these drugs.
The feeling of being intoxicated/drunk from alcohol as a positive sensation is a miss perception, you are actually experiencing your mind loosing it's ability to function correctly because your body and brain being poisoned, due to this your perception becomes degraded and when used in a traditional party sense you falsely believe it is a positive, simulative experience.
As with most problems the main problem is peoples ignorant, traditional mind-sets. Most western people value and view drugs with a party or escapism mind set while being completely ignorant to medicinal and spiritual value. It's this mind-set that needs to change in people.
Drug policies are not dictated by politicians, they are dictated by corporations. Drug companies do not want pot legal because of it's many medicinal uses. Alcohol companies do not want it legal because it will cut into their profits. One of the reasons alcohol is so dangerous is the attitude that not only is alcohol safe, but even healthy. Everyone knows heroin and crack are dangerous so most people avoid them, so they have less impact.
Um yeah I think i will choose a cooled beer over sticking needles in my arm or smoking crack rock any day. Funny how they have studies like this and then you goto to another source and wine has all the anti-oxidants to make you healthy! Take all this with a grain of salt.
LSD, mushrooms, and ecstasy don't come anywhere near alcohol in dangers they pose?! Wow, what a bunch of bullshit. Talk about not based on science. And a bunch of ignorant kids are going to see that and believe it. One of the few times I hear something so vile I unsubscribe.
Clearly you don't know how dangerous alcohol is, probably because its use is sanctioned and you never bothered to check the facts. It is much, much easier to overdose on it than on LSD, (as long as they are positively identified as Liberty Caps) mushrooms, or ecstasy.
h t t p : / / w w w.thegooddrugsguide.c o m/lsd/index. h t m
h t t p : / / w w w.thegooddrugsguide.c o m/ecstasy/faq. h t m
h t t p : / / w w w.thegooddrugsguide.c o m /mushrooms/index. h t m
How dangerous a drug is isn't simply a matter of which is easier to overdose on, it's a matter of what damage is it doing. I've never in my life known anyone to overdose on alcohol, that's not the issue, it's a straw man.
@TheGiantRobot I live in a college town where there is a lot of binge drinking. People around here overdose on alcohol all the time and end up in the hospital. Occasionally it leads to immediate death, but it usually just causes damage to liver and brain through repeated abuse. As for marijuana, I've never heard of anyone overdosing on it. Certainly, alcohol causes more harm to your body than marijuana.
WTF? I thought you were pretty cool. I guess not. Of course I know what a straw man is - it's arguing against an argument made to look like the one I made, that isn't.
@TheGiantRobot I'm sorry that you were offended. Your original comment seemed anti-intellectual. You were dismissing the science instead of taking on the substance. You could've brought up different research and data, but you didn't. Instead, you dismiss the science and you dismiss all criticisms as straw men. In my comment, I talked about all aspects of the damage of alcohol. There were some that I didn't mention such as drunk people being more violent than people on pot or LSD. Straw men? How?
How is it scientifically valid to say LSD, mushrooms, and ecstasy don't come anywhere near alcohol in the dangers they pose? That's the statement I'm rejecting. And for me to bring up research and data is pointless - we all know it's out there and you can find something to support anything you say - but does anyone actually believe that statement? I doubt even he feels safer doing those drugs than drinking.
@TheGiantRobot Bringing up research isn't pointless. How are we to make informed decisions without science? I'd prefer public policy be made based on science rather than on ideology. You can't find research to support anything you say. Scientists agree about the falsity of many things. Any single research may support a particular position, but what is important is the overall research. I don't have any absolute conclusions, but I do know that dismissing science is unhelpful.
Then bring up your fucking research, asshole. You actually think I can't find research to support anything I say? Really? How fucking retarded are you? Or are you just that dishonest?
And science rather than ideology would be really nice. I'm not seeing it from the pro drug crowd, you included.
@TheGiantRobot This video was about such scientific research, but you dismissed it. You could have looked at the research. You could have provided an intelligent critique of it and pointed to opposing research. But you didn't. You called the scientific research bullshit and you oddly claimed that: "Talk about not based on science." How is scientific research "not based on science"? And how is your view of dismissing this scientific research based on science?
@TheGiantRobot Okay. That is fair. I'm sorry that I misunderstood you. You were only criticizing the one statement and not all the research. I can agree to disagree on those terms. :)
There are two reasons why I reacted the way I did. First, I really do get tired of all the anti-intellectualism that pops up in so many discussions. Second, this issue is a personal sore spot since I grew up on the unscientific lies and propaganda shoved on me as a child.
@TheGiantRobot I see. I guess we've had different experiences. I know plenty of people who have done a variety of drugs including some longterm potheads and I know a few alcoholics. Among these people, the alcoholism has been more problematic. Most people who do psychedelics stop doing them after a few years. The potheads tend to be fairly functional and healthy people. The alcoholics tend to be the opposite, but to be fair some of the alcoholics I know have done other drugs in the past.
@TheGiantRobot I make a distinction between hard and soft drugs. Potheads are some of the most successful and well-adjusted people I know. Most people just seem to experiment with drugs in their 20s and then they stop as they begin their careers. The alcoholics seem to be the most addicted. I think alcohol is more on the level of hard drugs. I must admit that I don't know many people who have done much in the way of hard drugs. I'm not necessarily in favor of legalizing hard drugs.
Most of the financially or life successful people I've known don't drink at all or drink small amounts. Some drink a lot. I've known some fairly successful people who use drugs - marijuana and once in a blue moon something harder - most of them are arrogant, lying, unethical, pieces of trash. Most people I know who drink and don't are the same - fairly successful. Most people I know who smoke pot are struggling and not very honest. So, yes, we all have different experiences.
@TheGiantRobot Yeah. Maybe I would put pot and alcohol on a similar level. I know both people who smoke a little bit of pot while living normal lives & people who drink a little bit while living normal lives. I guess it's just that alcohol seems worse when it becomes alcoholism. Alcohol is like the hard drugs in that it's physically addictive, but pot like psychedelics isn't physically addictive. Nicotine is supposedly the most addictive drug. It's the addiction that makes a substance dangerous
I disagree with putting pot on a similar level as alcohol. I would argue against even putting it on the same level as caffeine. Caffeine is very addictive and easy to overdose on as well. Caffeine is a stimulant like cocaine and meth... it causes people to "crash" as they are coming off of the high. (yes, caffeine alters your state of mind - by making you more alert and changes your mood as well) now I'm not arguing to put coca back in cola, but when pot is illegal...
@ahigheztarget It's hard to compare different kinds of drugs. Alcohol is a drug. Caffeine is a drug. I'd even say sugar is a drug (and I'd argue possibly the most addictive and most dangerous drug of them all). As for pot, it's one of the safer drugs. The main danger of pot and psychedelics is psychiatric rather than physical. Obviously, anyone should be wary of recreational drug use if they have an addictive personality or a family history of psychiatric illness.
@TheGiantRobot You might know more people who use harder drugs. I was just making the argument that a distinction should be made between substances that aren't physically addictive such as pot and psychedelics and substances that are physically addictive such as nicotine, alcohol, and hard drugs. It's physical addiction that tends to make one use a substance to the point of self-harm, but it's true that one can become psychologically addicted to anything.
@TheGiantRobot The other point I often make is the danger a substance has toward non-users. Some hard drugs that necessitate needles can spread diseases and secondhand smoke from tobacco can cause health problems. As for alcohol, drunk people tend to have lowered inhiibition which can lead to increased violent behavior and because of bars many drunk people drive. OTOH pot tends to make people more passive and easygoing. Research has also shown pot smokers drive more slowly and safely.
I have to say, I've seen chronic drinkers and chronic pot users. I think the pot is worse - makes the people worse to be around, less able to function or move ahead in life, and seems to be doing a hell of a lot more mental damage. But that's just my experience.
Physical addiction is weaker than psychological addiction. I agree about car accidents being worse while drunk. I agree about smoke - especially marijuana smoke - it's evil and kids shouldn't be subject to it.
@TheGiantRobot The main danger of pot and psychedelics is psychological rather than physical. One is less likely to physically harm oneself or others while smoking pot. The risk of pot use is the somewhat opposite that of alcohol. A pothead isn't likely to beat up people or run people over while driving. If anything, a pothead that has a major addiction will probably be too passive and apathetic to do much of anything. They'll do harm to themselves by inaction.
But, this is just talking about while not high. I've known quite a few people who thought stealing was OK. All of them smoked pot. All of them. Did the pot make them that way, or do thieving personalities like pot? I don't know. But that's not just apathetic, that hurts others. I've only known a dozen or so people mean enough to beat others, and drink didn't make them do it, they looked for fights. They were drinkers and smoked pot, too. All of them.
@TheGiantRobot Most pot smokers I know also drink alcohol & usually started drinking alcohol first. Does the alcohol cause people to become potheads? Is alcohol a gateway drug? All college parties I've been to begin with alcohol, but after a while someone usually starts using drugs often openly. Does the disinhibiting effect of alcohol make people do drugs they wouldn't normally do? Did you know that whites smoke pot more than blacks, but blacks get arrested for pot possession more than whites?
@TheGiantRobot Did you know that pot is illegal? And did you know that people who are prone to do illegal things also do other illegal things? Did you know when alcohol was made illegal, people who drink alcohol were more likely to be involved in illegal activities? Did you know that people who like to experiment will experiment? Did you know poor and hopeless people will do drugs and commit crimes? Did you know rich people who do drugs and crimes rarely get caught or punished?
I think every drug (that includes alcohol) is a gateway drug to something harder, they are like stepping stones, and every drug makes you less inhibited (unless you're having a bad trip.)
The rest of your rant isn't working for me. I'm not talking about poor people, we are all law breakers - everyone I know started drinking before we were legal, even I did. Law is one thing, feeling it's OK to steal, that's not the same thing.
@TheGiantRobot I think anything that is dysfunctional in society leads to other dysfunctional behaviors. In the US, drinking culture is dysfunctional, but there is nothing inherently dysfunctional about drinking. Other societies have alcohol without having the same binge culture. Similarly, other countries have drug legalization and/or decriminalization without the large drug war or the large drug problems. The question isn't what causes personal problems, but what is the social context.
@MarmaladeINFP Drug illegalization leads to a War on Drugs, leads to a targeting of poor minorities who end up in prison, leads to the creation of a criminal class. The context is of the poor getting poorer as unemployment increases, homelessness increases, & wealth disparity increases. Are we surprised that gangs form along with increases of violence and crime in specific demographics? We collectively create these problems. Drug use has increased since the War on Drugs began. It's a failure.
@MarmaladeINFP I don't know what the solution is necessarily, but it's obvious that the methods we are using presently don't work and in fact have made the problem worse. Also, it's obvious that other countries using different methods are getting better results. One definition of insanity is continuing to do the same thing while hoping for different results. Or, to put it another way: when you find yourself in a whole, first stop digging. Only by acknowledging failure can we find solutions.
@TheGiantRobot I would be interested to see the statistics. I can't say if the people I know are representative. I've known many potheads. Many of them that were major potheads when young stopped doing it entirely or as much as they aged. Since pot isn't physically addictive, it's easier to quit. Even the potheads I know who still smoke up on occasion, many of them have families and/or careers. I've only ever known one pothead who was a bit dysfunctional, but he used all kinds of drugs.
I gave you links to a website about addiction treatment, not some pro -legalization site you nimrod! You'd know that if you would of actually checked it out. Pull your head out of your ass. You fucking douche-bag.
The only reason to not feel safe doing those drugs is because they are illegal, and getting caught has more ramifications than if one is caught drinking alcohol. Would you feel safe drinking if alcohol was illegal? I highly doubt it. Not only would you be paranoid about being caught, but you'd likely be (rightly) concerned about the chemical make up of your drink due to lack of regulations. Many people died from ill made alcohol back during prohibition.
I don't dismiss all criticisms as straw men. Again, if you criticize what I didn't say, that is a straw man. Challenge my actual argument and I will likely disagree, but it isn't a straw man.
A strawman is setting up an argument to break down with a counter-argument. It implies that an argument is propped up by the person who then proceeds to debunk it. Hence the allusion to standing up a target. If by calling what I said a "strawman," you actually mean that I misunderstood you, then say so and please clarify so that I, as well as others, can better comprehend.
"Strawman," is altogether a trite phrase anymore which has seemingly lost it's meaning due to anon.
How easy it is to overdose, aka how TOXIC a substance is, directly effects how dangerous a drug is. You may not, but I do know several people who have overdosed on alcohol. Regardless, just because someone doesn't know anyone who has overdosed, does not make a "straw man." You state that "it's a matter of what damage it is doing." What a load of shit. Alcohol is physically addictive, it fucks up kidneys, the nervous system, the liver, etc. E, LSD, and Mushrooms don't do that.
@TheGiantRobot I grew up hearing the propaganda and lies of the govt anti-drug ads. I'll take the facts of science over govt propaganda and lies any day.
Have you seen "Reefer Madness"? LOL It's bullshit like that kind of film which gave way to marijuana being a schedule 1 drug. I don't trust drug warriors and I'm skeptical of miracle cure claims by pro marijuana legalization groups. The DEA and other drug war programs have a vested interest in keeping people irrationally scared of drugs, duping people like TheGiantRobot. However, some pro-drug legalization groups hurt the cause to end the war on drugs with unbelievable claims.
@ahigheztarget Yep. I've seen "Reefer Madness". Early anti-drug propaganda isn't really all that different than the anti-drug propaganda of the 80s and 90s. The one commonality of almost all anti-drug propaganda is that it's the complete opposite of a fair presentation of objective facts. I'm fine with people being against recreational drugs, but I'm not fine with people forcing their propagandistic ideology on me and on impressionable young minds.
@TheGiantRobot I agree with you if kids and ppl see this as a reasone to avoid alcohol and go for drugs, but it also prove how bad is alcohol. I am just being a devil advocate and dont take it as my personal preference too
@youngbuck189 lsd was man made wasnt it? i mean they extracted it from a fungus but they had to do something to it? or am i wrong? not saying its bad, much better than tobacco and alc
BS! You don't need those drugs to live! ALcohol can cause serious mischief if you are an alcoholic, which is also a DRUG! Drugs are not toys!
gnossticc 2 months ago
I've heard this before. My doctor has been saying for years that alcohol is "by far" the most harmful drug we use. Apparently, it has the most profound cumulative effect that we've seen yet. Dr Drew has said this for years as well. I'm not sure what the standards were on this test, but it does appear to be consistent with the info I've gotten from medical sources.
xJoeEDangerouslyx 6 months ago
This reporter looks and sounds much like Rachel Ray....OHH MAMA!!
FujiR500 8 months ago 2
Wow! These Russia Today girls are GORGEOUS!
phroto13 10 months ago
People have to be big fucking idiots to support the anti-marijuana laws! Yeah, ban weed, hope you get fucking killed by your precious alcohol
professorfontana 10 months ago 3
I seen lots of videos that say smoking cannabis makes u do more harder drugs, well i dont t hink thats true because for me it was the alcohol that helped towards me doing arder drugs, It made me more confident and more depressed so i wanted to try something different and CHEAPER! the price of drinks down the pub and clubs are a fucking joke
WhiteRabbitm8te 11 months ago
I'm a teetotaler, but I smoke weed.
TorontoLibertarian 1 year ago
@TorontoLibertarian -Toronto-I, also, CNNOT drink alcohol, but use Cannabis as both medicine and recreationally.
I even make a point of EDUCATING ALL MY PHYSICIANS TO THE MYRIAD BENEFITS OF THE USE OF CANABIS-Eventhough I am in a NON-Medical Cannabis state.
ALCOHOL AND CIGARETTES HAVE KILLED MORE PEOPLE THEN VIETNAM, WORLD WAR'S I AND II COMBINED.
OH yes, legalize all drugs-REINSTATE PROHIBITION ON ALCOHOL.As a Nurse-I have seen the DESTRUCTION of the family it continues to do.PEACE TO U
Tomstone1965 11 months ago
@Tomstone1965
I hope you're not a nurse. I'd be hard heart broken to find out a nurse of mine was so unprofessional in public.
dudejohnny 1 month ago
Hitler hated alcohol.
Churchill loved alcohol.
Cheers!
SirWinstonChurchill 1 year ago
She Farted 1:26
shepzshepz1 1 year ago
David Nut?
gangstar13579 1 year ago
its because you can by alcohol everywhere
mickster1965 1 year ago
there is no drug more harmful than heroin
DEFDTS 1 year ago
just watch sports, while they pull the rug out from under you, choose life, lets get drunk and tell the truth, humans are idiots.
DanOlooney 1 year ago
if you are addicted to either, the results are equally devastating.
arcanekrusader 1 year ago
Whahahahha finally TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!
TheWayshowerTube 1 year ago
I just happen to be a test subject with some down time... call me.
splurging247 1 year ago
Don't be fooled, educate yourself and use drugs wisely.
craig125 1 year ago
Allot of Illegal drugs have a highly positive simulative effect on the brain and body enhancing mental and physical abilities. They can also be enjoyed in a party sense like alcohol but psychedelics should only primarily be used in a spiritual/open-minded way. Due to the often ignorant party mind-set the mind may not be able to handle the experience and could lead to a very negative experience. The powers that be fear the healing and mind freeing potential of allot of these drugs.
craig125 1 year ago
The feeling of being intoxicated/drunk from alcohol as a positive sensation is a miss perception, you are actually experiencing your mind loosing it's ability to function correctly because your body and brain being poisoned, due to this your perception becomes degraded and when used in a traditional party sense you falsely believe it is a positive, simulative experience.
craig125 1 year ago
As with most problems the main problem is peoples ignorant, traditional mind-sets. Most western people value and view drugs with a party or escapism mind set while being completely ignorant to medicinal and spiritual value. It's this mind-set that needs to change in people.
craig125 1 year ago
Drug policies are not dictated by politicians, they are dictated by corporations. Drug companies do not want pot legal because of it's many medicinal uses. Alcohol companies do not want it legal because it will cut into their profits. One of the reasons alcohol is so dangerous is the attitude that not only is alcohol safe, but even healthy. Everyone knows heroin and crack are dangerous so most people avoid them, so they have less impact.
Celiarn2003 1 year ago
Um yeah I think i will choose a cooled beer over sticking needles in my arm or smoking crack rock any day. Funny how they have studies like this and then you goto to another source and wine has all the anti-oxidants to make you healthy! Take all this with a grain of salt.
CardinalRaker 1 year ago 3
LSD, mushrooms, and ecstasy don't come anywhere near alcohol in dangers they pose?! Wow, what a bunch of bullshit. Talk about not based on science. And a bunch of ignorant kids are going to see that and believe it. One of the few times I hear something so vile I unsubscribe.
TheGiantRobot 1 year ago 3
@TheGiantRobot Youre the one being ignorant.
eliteanarchy 1 year ago
@eliteanarchy no actually you are.
CardinalRaker 1 year ago 2
@TheGiantRobot
Good riddance.
WigglyMalmsteam 1 year ago
@TheGiantRobot
Clearly you don't know how dangerous alcohol is, probably because its use is sanctioned and you never bothered to check the facts. It is much, much easier to overdose on it than on LSD, (as long as they are positively identified as Liberty Caps) mushrooms, or ecstasy.
h t t p : / / w w w.thegooddrugsguide.c o m/lsd/index. h t m
h t t p : / / w w w.thegooddrugsguide.c o m/ecstasy/faq. h t m
h t t p : / / w w w.thegooddrugsguide.c o m /mushrooms/index. h t m
You're welcome. :-)
ahigheztarget 1 year ago
@ahigheztarget
How dangerous a drug is isn't simply a matter of which is easier to overdose on, it's a matter of what damage is it doing. I've never in my life known anyone to overdose on alcohol, that's not the issue, it's a straw man.
TheGiantRobot 1 year ago 2
@TheGiantRobot I live in a college town where there is a lot of binge drinking. People around here overdose on alcohol all the time and end up in the hospital. Occasionally it leads to immediate death, but it usually just causes damage to liver and brain through repeated abuse. As for marijuana, I've never heard of anyone overdosing on it. Certainly, alcohol causes more harm to your body than marijuana.
MarmaladeINFP 1 year ago 2
@MarmaladeINFP
Into straw man territory, again. I said nothing about marijuana.
TheGiantRobot 1 year ago
@TheGiantRobot Do you even know what straw man means? LOL
MarmaladeINFP 1 year ago
@MarmaladeINFP
WTF? I thought you were pretty cool. I guess not. Of course I know what a straw man is - it's arguing against an argument made to look like the one I made, that isn't.
TheGiantRobot 1 year ago
@TheGiantRobot I'm sorry that you were offended. Your original comment seemed anti-intellectual. You were dismissing the science instead of taking on the substance. You could've brought up different research and data, but you didn't. Instead, you dismiss the science and you dismiss all criticisms as straw men. In my comment, I talked about all aspects of the damage of alcohol. There were some that I didn't mention such as drunk people being more violent than people on pot or LSD. Straw men? How?
MarmaladeINFP 1 year ago
@MarmaladeINFP
How is it scientifically valid to say LSD, mushrooms, and ecstasy don't come anywhere near alcohol in the dangers they pose? That's the statement I'm rejecting. And for me to bring up research and data is pointless - we all know it's out there and you can find something to support anything you say - but does anyone actually believe that statement? I doubt even he feels safer doing those drugs than drinking.
TheGiantRobot 1 year ago
@TheGiantRobot Bringing up research isn't pointless. How are we to make informed decisions without science? I'd prefer public policy be made based on science rather than on ideology. You can't find research to support anything you say. Scientists agree about the falsity of many things. Any single research may support a particular position, but what is important is the overall research. I don't have any absolute conclusions, but I do know that dismissing science is unhelpful.
MarmaladeINFP 1 year ago
@MarmaladeINFP
Then bring up your fucking research, asshole. You actually think I can't find research to support anything I say? Really? How fucking retarded are you? Or are you just that dishonest?
And science rather than ideology would be really nice. I'm not seeing it from the pro drug crowd, you included.
TheGiantRobot 1 year ago
@TheGiantRobot This video was about such scientific research, but you dismissed it. You could have looked at the research. You could have provided an intelligent critique of it and pointed to opposing research. But you didn't. You called the scientific research bullshit and you oddly claimed that: "Talk about not based on science." How is scientific research "not based on science"? And how is your view of dismissing this scientific research based on science?
MarmaladeINFP 1 year ago
@MarmaladeINFP
Oh, haha, I see.
No, I didn't call scientific research bullshit, I called his one statement bullshit, and I still call it bullshit.
TheGiantRobot 1 year ago
@TheGiantRobot Okay. That is fair. I'm sorry that I misunderstood you. You were only criticizing the one statement and not all the research. I can agree to disagree on those terms. :)
There are two reasons why I reacted the way I did. First, I really do get tired of all the anti-intellectualism that pops up in so many discussions. Second, this issue is a personal sore spot since I grew up on the unscientific lies and propaganda shoved on me as a child.
MarmaladeINFP 1 year ago
@MarmaladeINFP
Okay, thanks, I'm sorry I called you bad words :)
And, for me too, it's a very personal sore spot as I've seen friend's minds damaged by drugs and I don't want them trivialized as harmless recreation.
TheGiantRobot 1 year ago
@TheGiantRobot I see. I guess we've had different experiences. I know plenty of people who have done a variety of drugs including some longterm potheads and I know a few alcoholics. Among these people, the alcoholism has been more problematic. Most people who do psychedelics stop doing them after a few years. The potheads tend to be fairly functional and healthy people. The alcoholics tend to be the opposite, but to be fair some of the alcoholics I know have done other drugs in the past.
MarmaladeINFP 1 year ago
@TheGiantRobot I make a distinction between hard and soft drugs. Potheads are some of the most successful and well-adjusted people I know. Most people just seem to experiment with drugs in their 20s and then they stop as they begin their careers. The alcoholics seem to be the most addicted. I think alcohol is more on the level of hard drugs. I must admit that I don't know many people who have done much in the way of hard drugs. I'm not necessarily in favor of legalizing hard drugs.
MarmaladeINFP 1 year ago
@MarmaladeINFP
Most of the financially or life successful people I've known don't drink at all or drink small amounts. Some drink a lot. I've known some fairly successful people who use drugs - marijuana and once in a blue moon something harder - most of them are arrogant, lying, unethical, pieces of trash. Most people I know who drink and don't are the same - fairly successful. Most people I know who smoke pot are struggling and not very honest. So, yes, we all have different experiences.
TheGiantRobot 1 year ago
@TheGiantRobot Yeah. Maybe I would put pot and alcohol on a similar level. I know both people who smoke a little bit of pot while living normal lives & people who drink a little bit while living normal lives. I guess it's just that alcohol seems worse when it becomes alcoholism. Alcohol is like the hard drugs in that it's physically addictive, but pot like psychedelics isn't physically addictive. Nicotine is supposedly the most addictive drug. It's the addiction that makes a substance dangerous
MarmaladeINFP 1 year ago
@MarmaladeINFP
I disagree with putting pot on a similar level as alcohol. I would argue against even putting it on the same level as caffeine. Caffeine is very addictive and easy to overdose on as well. Caffeine is a stimulant like cocaine and meth... it causes people to "crash" as they are coming off of the high. (yes, caffeine alters your state of mind - by making you more alert and changes your mood as well) now I'm not arguing to put coca back in cola, but when pot is illegal...
ahigheztarget 1 year ago
@ahigheztarget It's hard to compare different kinds of drugs. Alcohol is a drug. Caffeine is a drug. I'd even say sugar is a drug (and I'd argue possibly the most addictive and most dangerous drug of them all). As for pot, it's one of the safer drugs. The main danger of pot and psychedelics is psychiatric rather than physical. Obviously, anyone should be wary of recreational drug use if they have an addictive personality or a family history of psychiatric illness.
MarmaladeINFP 1 year ago
@TheGiantRobot You might know more people who use harder drugs. I was just making the argument that a distinction should be made between substances that aren't physically addictive such as pot and psychedelics and substances that are physically addictive such as nicotine, alcohol, and hard drugs. It's physical addiction that tends to make one use a substance to the point of self-harm, but it's true that one can become psychologically addicted to anything.
MarmaladeINFP 1 year ago
@TheGiantRobot The other point I often make is the danger a substance has toward non-users. Some hard drugs that necessitate needles can spread diseases and secondhand smoke from tobacco can cause health problems. As for alcohol, drunk people tend to have lowered inhiibition which can lead to increased violent behavior and because of bars many drunk people drive. OTOH pot tends to make people more passive and easygoing. Research has also shown pot smokers drive more slowly and safely.
MarmaladeINFP 1 year ago
@MarmaladeINFP
I have to say, I've seen chronic drinkers and chronic pot users. I think the pot is worse - makes the people worse to be around, less able to function or move ahead in life, and seems to be doing a hell of a lot more mental damage. But that's just my experience.
Physical addiction is weaker than psychological addiction. I agree about car accidents being worse while drunk. I agree about smoke - especially marijuana smoke - it's evil and kids shouldn't be subject to it.
TheGiantRobot 1 year ago
@TheGiantRobot The main danger of pot and psychedelics is psychological rather than physical. One is less likely to physically harm oneself or others while smoking pot. The risk of pot use is the somewhat opposite that of alcohol. A pothead isn't likely to beat up people or run people over while driving. If anything, a pothead that has a major addiction will probably be too passive and apathetic to do much of anything. They'll do harm to themselves by inaction.
MarmaladeINFP 1 year ago
@MarmaladeINFP
But, this is just talking about while not high. I've known quite a few people who thought stealing was OK. All of them smoked pot. All of them. Did the pot make them that way, or do thieving personalities like pot? I don't know. But that's not just apathetic, that hurts others. I've only known a dozen or so people mean enough to beat others, and drink didn't make them do it, they looked for fights. They were drinkers and smoked pot, too. All of them.
TheGiantRobot 1 year ago
@TheGiantRobot Most pot smokers I know also drink alcohol & usually started drinking alcohol first. Does the alcohol cause people to become potheads? Is alcohol a gateway drug? All college parties I've been to begin with alcohol, but after a while someone usually starts using drugs often openly. Does the disinhibiting effect of alcohol make people do drugs they wouldn't normally do? Did you know that whites smoke pot more than blacks, but blacks get arrested for pot possession more than whites?
MarmaladeINFP 1 year ago
@TheGiantRobot Did you know that pot is illegal? And did you know that people who are prone to do illegal things also do other illegal things? Did you know when alcohol was made illegal, people who drink alcohol were more likely to be involved in illegal activities? Did you know that people who like to experiment will experiment? Did you know poor and hopeless people will do drugs and commit crimes? Did you know rich people who do drugs and crimes rarely get caught or punished?
MarmaladeINFP 1 year ago
@MarmaladeINFP
I think every drug (that includes alcohol) is a gateway drug to something harder, they are like stepping stones, and every drug makes you less inhibited (unless you're having a bad trip.)
The rest of your rant isn't working for me. I'm not talking about poor people, we are all law breakers - everyone I know started drinking before we were legal, even I did. Law is one thing, feeling it's OK to steal, that's not the same thing.
TheGiantRobot 1 year ago
@TheGiantRobot I think anything that is dysfunctional in society leads to other dysfunctional behaviors. In the US, drinking culture is dysfunctional, but there is nothing inherently dysfunctional about drinking. Other societies have alcohol without having the same binge culture. Similarly, other countries have drug legalization and/or decriminalization without the large drug war or the large drug problems. The question isn't what causes personal problems, but what is the social context.
MarmaladeINFP 1 year ago
@MarmaladeINFP Drug illegalization leads to a War on Drugs, leads to a targeting of poor minorities who end up in prison, leads to the creation of a criminal class. The context is of the poor getting poorer as unemployment increases, homelessness increases, & wealth disparity increases. Are we surprised that gangs form along with increases of violence and crime in specific demographics? We collectively create these problems. Drug use has increased since the War on Drugs began. It's a failure.
MarmaladeINFP 1 year ago
@MarmaladeINFP I don't know what the solution is necessarily, but it's obvious that the methods we are using presently don't work and in fact have made the problem worse. Also, it's obvious that other countries using different methods are getting better results. One definition of insanity is continuing to do the same thing while hoping for different results. Or, to put it another way: when you find yourself in a whole, first stop digging. Only by acknowledging failure can we find solutions.
MarmaladeINFP 1 year ago
@MarmaladeINFP
I meant to say, this is just talking about while high.
TheGiantRobot 1 year ago
@TheGiantRobot I would be interested to see the statistics. I can't say if the people I know are representative. I've known many potheads. Many of them that were major potheads when young stopped doing it entirely or as much as they aged. Since pot isn't physically addictive, it's easier to quit. Even the potheads I know who still smoke up on occasion, many of them have families and/or careers. I've only ever known one pothead who was a bit dysfunctional, but he used all kinds of drugs.
MarmaladeINFP 1 year ago
@TheGiantRobot
I gave you links to a website about addiction treatment, not some pro -legalization site you nimrod! You'd know that if you would of actually checked it out. Pull your head out of your ass. You fucking douche-bag.
ahigheztarget 1 year ago
@TheGiantRobot
The only reason to not feel safe doing those drugs is because they are illegal, and getting caught has more ramifications than if one is caught drinking alcohol. Would you feel safe drinking if alcohol was illegal? I highly doubt it. Not only would you be paranoid about being caught, but you'd likely be (rightly) concerned about the chemical make up of your drink due to lack of regulations. Many people died from ill made alcohol back during prohibition.
ahigheztarget 1 year ago
@MarmaladeINFP
I don't dismiss all criticisms as straw men. Again, if you criticize what I didn't say, that is a straw man. Challenge my actual argument and I will likely disagree, but it isn't a straw man.
TheGiantRobot 1 year ago
@TheGiantRobot
A strawman is setting up an argument to break down with a counter-argument. It implies that an argument is propped up by the person who then proceeds to debunk it. Hence the allusion to standing up a target. If by calling what I said a "strawman," you actually mean that I misunderstood you, then say so and please clarify so that I, as well as others, can better comprehend.
"Strawman," is altogether a trite phrase anymore which has seemingly lost it's meaning due to anon.
ahigheztarget 1 year ago
@TheGiantRobot
How easy it is to overdose, aka how TOXIC a substance is, directly effects how dangerous a drug is. You may not, but I do know several people who have overdosed on alcohol. Regardless, just because someone doesn't know anyone who has overdosed, does not make a "straw man." You state that "it's a matter of what damage it is doing." What a load of shit. Alcohol is physically addictive, it fucks up kidneys, the nervous system, the liver, etc. E, LSD, and Mushrooms don't do that.
ahigheztarget 1 year ago
@TheGiantRobot I grew up hearing the propaganda and lies of the govt anti-drug ads. I'll take the facts of science over govt propaganda and lies any day.
MarmaladeINFP 1 year ago
@MarmaladeINFP
Have you seen "Reefer Madness"? LOL It's bullshit like that kind of film which gave way to marijuana being a schedule 1 drug. I don't trust drug warriors and I'm skeptical of miracle cure claims by pro marijuana legalization groups. The DEA and other drug war programs have a vested interest in keeping people irrationally scared of drugs, duping people like TheGiantRobot. However, some pro-drug legalization groups hurt the cause to end the war on drugs with unbelievable claims.
ahigheztarget 1 year ago
@ahigheztarget Yep. I've seen "Reefer Madness". Early anti-drug propaganda isn't really all that different than the anti-drug propaganda of the 80s and 90s. The one commonality of almost all anti-drug propaganda is that it's the complete opposite of a fair presentation of objective facts. I'm fine with people being against recreational drugs, but I'm not fine with people forcing their propagandistic ideology on me and on impressionable young minds.
MarmaladeINFP 1 year ago
@TheGiantRobot I agree with you if kids and ppl see this as a reasone to avoid alcohol and go for drugs, but it also prove how bad is alcohol. I am just being a devil advocate and dont take it as my personal preference too
TheMasterAbdul 1 year ago
muslims are wright wen come to religion
is only religion made haram alcohol and drags and other tinks my hatm
human health
addan76 1 year ago
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@addan76
Is that supposed to be English? Your comment is almost unreadable and makes no sense.
WigglyMalmsteam 1 year ago
Legalize the alternative, cannabis.
silversobe 1 year ago
Alchohol and tobacco are deadly. Cannabis, LSD, and psilocybin are gifts from god.
youngbuck189 1 year ago 20
@youngbuck189 I agree about the cannabis.
synn1980 1 year ago
@youngbuck189 Its true though. The gateway theory is bull shit. 95% of people who tried weed and higher have tried alcohol or cigarettes.
IvMaDdNeSsvI 1 year ago
@IvMaDdNeSsvI cigarettes are the gateway, if anything.
arcanekrusader 1 year ago
@arcanekrusader i forgot that lol. But i believe alcohol is more.
IvMaDdNeSsvI 1 year ago
@youngbuck189
Im a drinker and a smoker. Iv smoked weed and Iv done LSD
Everything done in moderation is fine.
VirtualInsanity91 1 year ago
@youngbuck189 Don't even mention those last 2....
OnThatPowder 1 year ago
@OnThatPowder I didn't, you did.
youngbuck189 1 year ago
@OnThatPowder
Psilocybin is 100% natural, and so is mescaline, one comes from a mushroom and one comes from a cactus.
Honestly, psychadelic drugs aren't bad, and if you do believe in a traditional "god", then you must also believe that he created those things.
PhuckAllYouPeople 1 year ago
@youngbuck189 lsd was man made wasnt it? i mean they extracted it from a fungus but they had to do something to it? or am i wrong? not saying its bad, much better than tobacco and alc
metalridley388 1 year ago
@metalridley388 Its a naturally occurring compound, harnessed by humans.
youngbuck189 1 year ago
@youngbuck189 and Salvia, don't forget Salvia
professorfontana 10 months ago
@professorfontana salvia is legal
NitroxideHS 4 months ago