Friends now it's time to decide. Jesus Christ declared 2000 years ago that I AM THE WAY, I AM THE TRUTH AND I AM THE LIFE. These claim were made by only one Man, He is Jesus Christ. Now you have to decide in your heart, whether Jesus was liar or He really is THE WAY, TRUTH and LIFE. Only by Faith, you can accept Him as your Savior. Try to understand End Time and coming Judgement of God on all sinners by looking present situation on this world. Earthquake, tsunami, tornado, flood, sickness, crim
@CurryCobra There's another problem with freezing: It is done after you re dead. Because otherwise it would be murder because the people die in the process. So basically only dead bodies are frozen.
4. Your brain ceases to function if 1,2, and 3, are not all met.
5. If the brain is damaged or ceases to function, the mind follows.
Therefore, if you think you have a soul, you are an idiot, and you should feel bad for being dumb on purpose when 1-5 clearly demonstrate that any mind we humans possess is a direct result of the continuous functionality of our brain.
That's still idiocy, unless of course some pretty solid evidence is brought to the table some day to prove that it's true, and even to that end the very idea hasn't yet been formulated in any coherent or testable way.. it's gibberish in terms of reality, that's what it is.. gibberish about energy-this and disembodied-that floating in ether.. nonsensical talk about sensory perception being available with no organs to perform those functions, ect.. childish
@lxAgnosticxl Nevermind the fact that i never claimed to be proving anything, merely demonstrating a simple path to the conclusion that there is no reason to think a soul is involved in any aspect of the workings of the human mind - proofs are for mathematics, not philosophy.
Tell me, what benefit can i gain from spending my time reading more about this kind of nonsense?
Anything?
Is it better than to be doing my chemistry homework, physics, or biology?
This idea of 'condition x' which formed me possibly being able to repeat itself, forming me again is quite intriguing to me. I think of it in terms of like a lottery with infinite numbers to choose from, or nearly infinite... at some point, even if the odds against a number to reoccur are staggeringly unfavorable, the slight chance that it could happen is what we're looking at here. If I'm 'number '22956,' in this lottery of existence, this number COULD repeat at different points in time! Crazy.
@MunkyDrag0n remember the "time" before the big bang? we have minds existing outside the observable universe as well as inside the universe which we can see from our senses. i proved it moron.
@FallofDarkness55 How do you find a mind outside of a body (i.e. outside of a universe)? How do you find a mind outside of a brain? I don't think a mind can exist outside of a brain. Never been found. Someone may have proved it. But you haven't proved shit, man.
@MunkyDrag0n we are avatars in the physical universe. The real world exists outside of our universe. Enough said. Everything we sense is simply an electrical interpretation of our brain.
@FallofDarkness55 Has anyone discovered this world? Our perceptions are limited to the physical world. There is no evidence of an outside world. The Buddhists looked for it, the Chinese looked for it, everyone has looked for it. If we cannot sense it, then it doesn't exist. Period. You can try to look for it.
@MunkyDrag0n It exists. Believe me. Death is a portal to the real world. In the aggregate we are living inside a dream. Also Inception + Avatar + The Matrix + Star Wars = the true nature of reality.
@FallofDarkness55 Why should I believe you? What people sense when dead is never evident to the real world. People coming back from near-death like comas do not all sense the same thing. Why should I take your word for it when their word (which is far stronger than yours) doesn't agree with you?
@MunkyDrag0n that's because you create your own outside real world. beliefs create a hyper-reality. death is a portal to an extra-dimensional space. In essence you will have an extra-dimensional body once awakening in another universe. M-theory + parallel universes = the only natural reincarnation.
@FallofDarkness55 So whatever you believe is real in the outside world, eh? So then I don't have to believe there is a heaven nor a hell. I don't believe in reincarnation. If i go to the outside world, will i be there forever?
God exists, that's the accepted claim by the majority of people, you want to challenge that, bring the evidence, the burden of proof is on YOU. Some narrow minded atheist proposed the wrong notion that atheism doesn't require evidence and many gullible atheists had run to foolishly embrace it. Philosophically the burden of proof is in the argument challenging the establishment. What evidence you have that atheism is true? None, zero, nada. Open your eyes, you're being deceived by an evil cult.
@MrArpas123 I'm sorry the idea of obedience is I think demeaning and telling if a God or savior requires it. Obedience is blind; listening to someone critically is conscious living. You may agree and sometimes follow through with what they recommend, but to be obedient is just mindless. As such even if God or Christ demonstrated their existence I could never be obedient. At best I could agree with their suggestions should they make sense. But never obediently follow them.
@MrArpas123 Atheism has nothing to do with faith. Why do you insist that it does? Is it because you lack the understanding or is there some other interest (for instance trying to justify your own enfeebled beliefs)?
@FHomeBrew Another interesting point: Most people have a tendency to believe humans have souls because of our sentience. However, "humans" weren't always sentient as you travel backwards in our phylogenetic history. So at what point did we become sentient enough that we started having souls for our being? It just doesn't make any sense. Of course, many people who believe in souls also deny evolution. So there's that.
There's plenty of "pro life" people who say the moment the soul comes into the body is at conception. Then what about identical twins, where after conception, some of the cells split in such a manner that two people are born? Do they share a soul? Or each have half a soul? Or did the original cell at conception get two souls so they now each can have one? As usual, it doesn't make much sense...
If you want to maintain the belief in the soul I suppose you'd have to call the neurological action in your brain a soul. But then, you're probably better off calling it what it is.
I just read fascinating review article on consciousness at pubmed, If people say that we don't know anything about consciousness or where it resides they are not right any more. Tums out we know pretty darn much about what consciousness is, what differentiates it from non conscious processing etc. Basically, consciousness is when information is made globally accessible to the brain, that is when local circuitry is not enough to solve a problem or when non standard approaches are use
@ChakraBlade1 Its simple. To be dead you would have to exist if the first place. If you never came into existence, you can never be dead. Dead is simply a labour we put on people who ONCE existed, but not anymore.
@ChakraBlade1 If it's so simple, why can't you just say what you mean? There is a huge difference between the 2. Or at least, say that's what you meant & leave it at that?
You're the 1 making more out of it than necessary.
I've notice that people who haven't the foggiest notion what they're talking tend to use the phrase "it's difficult to explain" a lot. People that do know what they're talking about hardly ever say that.
WHEN I WAS A CHILD ,..i thought the soul looked like a big liver like blob ,with black marks on it ,until confession time ,when it was made clean ,by the scary priest ,AMEN
I might have been half-asleep or something when I watched this, but I didn't really understand at all where the caller was going with that. I might have to rewatch it some other time.
@ChakraBlade1 You said they have a strong belief in no god, but actually, I think most of the hosts (and in fact most atheists I've met) just don't hold a belief in god, and many have the strong opinion that there is no reason to believe in god.. but nobody I know believes strongly that there is definitely no god.
Anyway.. love has value to me, and emotion can be a good guide, but what I am saying is I need more than that... I value logic over emotion, and when they conflict I choose logic.
@ChakraBlade1 "These people in this video have a very strong belief in no God."
Don't assume things like that.. they have said otherwise many times.
And I do not agree that these decisions have to come from the heart. My decisions come from logic. "The heart"... what IS that, even? It is too vague to have any use to me.
Decide things using whatever method you wish, and I'll do the same.
@ChakraBlade1 No one would ever get anywhere if we didn't listen to other people's thoughts and opinions. It doesn't matter where an idea comes from if it's a good idea. From inside, from another person.. it doesn't change the quality of the idea one bit. I looked over the ideas they presented, and saw that they were better than the vague and confused ideas in my own head, and so I took on the new ideas instead. What else could I have done?
If there is no soul, then I do not believe there can be purpose. The closest I can get to believing in soul rests somewhere in the question as to why life seeks to replicate. Why should there be life at all? What is it that drives elements to form amino acids to eventually form complex life forms? Those lifeforms then harness the very energy and mass from which they formed. That will, that forward momentum, that need to be...IS the soul. I don't believe it is individual, but is akin to network.
@CelticValdyr There doesn't have to be life and there isn't a purpose. Amino acids form for the same reason that sodium bicarbonate fizzes when you add an acid, it's just chemistry. There's nothing at all special about amino acids forming, it just chemistry. There's no will behind it, it's just ionic and covelent bonds and as we know from fractals simple rules can create great complexity.
The caller does have a good point. I was dead for about 15 billion years until i was naturally revived which gave me life in this universe on a planet called Earth and I know I will die again! See where I'm going with this? It's possible that a form of reincarnation may be real.
@gulbirk how is your existence fading away i.e. non-existence any different from death? please explain. why would musical artists such as Metallica make a song called fade away if this wasn't the case?
@FallofDarkness55 Well the difference is that you have to be alive at once to be able to die. If you never died you cant be dead. thats basicly the point. Yes, in theory there is no difference. After you die, it will be exactly like before you lived. But tecniqly, I dont think you can be dead before yoy exist.
@gulbirk Yeah I see your point now. By the way i don't believe in irrational things like reincarnation. all i said was it could be possible. i'm certainly not going to live my life on this idea; it's not particularly rational!
A more reasonable approach on a 'soul' is to say that you have infinitely many copies of yourself existing in infinitely many parallel universes. I realize there are people that think parallel universes are science fiction however our world-view is changing with the unification of Einstein's GR and QM!!!
He's defining the soul into existence, completely divorced from all the evidence available. One cannot define a soul "numerically" without considerations for the qualitative. Our personalities, memories, likes/dislikes, etc, are all qualitative by their very nature, and drawing a line around those qualities and calling that a "one" is utterly arbitrary, especially given that everything in that circle can radically change, and even become many personalities.
@lookatmepleasesir If you are trying to say that personalities, memories, likes/dislikes, etc, cannot radically change, you know nothing of neurology. Memories are notoriously faulty and can be influenced by all kinds of things after the fact. Everything ABOUT you can be influenced by physically affecting the brain: drugs, brain damage, schizophrenia, dehydration, fever, stroke, alzheimers, psychological trauma, depression, etc, all directly affect EVERYTHING about us.
@greyeyed123 "If you are trying to say that personalities, memories, likes/dislikes, etc, cannot radically change," did i say that? you tell me
"Memories are notoriously faulty and can be influenced by all kinds of things after the fact." thats certainly the status quo everybody likes to repeat for some reason, but what does that have to do with this subject?
@greyeyed123 "Everything ABOUT you can be influenced by physically affecting the brain: drugs, brain damage, schizophrenia, dehydration, fever, stroke, alzheimers, psychological trauma, depression, etc, all directly affect EVERYTHING about us." so what?
You asked if things that make us who were are, such as personality, likes/dislikes, memories, etc, were likely to be radically changed, implying that they can't be, and implying that since they can't be there is a soul. BUT THEY CAN BE RADICALLY CHANGED, implying there is not a soul. I might as well claim there is a magic "climbing soul" in my arms that allows me to climb, even though if you cut my fingers off one by one, my ability diminishes but my "climbing soul" is eternal in my arms!
@Wittgensteinism In that case how does the concept of a soul add anything to our understanding of the human experience? Normally people say that our soul exists after the death of the body, I argue against that but at least the soul has a purpose there. Why do you profess a soul at all?
It is because of this show that I dropped my belief of the soul. I've always been atheist but now I feel I'm much better at critical thinking. Thanks guys.
FACT:We are all made from atoms. These atoms have been identified and categorized on the periodic table. There is no atom that has a "spiritual" value. So therefore a soul does not and CANNOT exist.
If you define the soul as the essence of who you are as a person, that it is affected by the actions that you take (sin), and that it is riding around inside your body without regard to the physical, then the soul as defined does not exist. All it takes is a cursory understanding of neurology to spot the contradictions. What people call a "soul" is simply the manifestation in physical reality of a physical brain and body. You take away the brain, there is no more manifestation.
@lookatmepleasesir Because atoms are not "spiritual". FACT: We are made up the same atoms that you would find in an insect, plant, fungus or bacterium. Do these have "souls" to?
Get it through your arrogant and self-righteous mind: We are not special. We are the same decaying organic matter as anything else. Get over it!
@kiemul136 arrogant and self-righteous? I haven't even asserted the existance of a soul, all I did was ask you a question. You seem arrogant and self-righteous. If we are only atoms does that mean we're not biological, emotional, and mental beings as well?
@lookatmepleasesir We are only atoms. Atoms are what cause our biology, our mentality, and our emotions. Your thoughts and emotions are nothing more than chemicals and electricity flowing through your brain. Your brain is nothing more than a computer, and your body is its machine. The brain is programed to survive, to seek pleasure, and to reproduce. Your body is the robot that the computer controls in order to do all the things it is programed for, seek food, water, shelter, and mate.
@PatrioticEagle50 our body is a robot? what a boring underestimation. We are organisms, not robots or machines. We don't know that we are only atoms or that our brains are only computers. You're just spouting boring, bleak dogmas.
@PatrioticEagle50 Reductionist in the extreme. The problem (I would say awesome revelation) is our collection of atoms have resulted in an extremely complex animal that can ponder the very substance from which it is made. Atoms which were formed by stars. Those very stars are now studied by us, a mere collection of atoms as you would put it. When the enormous quantity of mass "seeks" the stability of Iron (as I understand radioactive decay, etc.), Life seeks to replicate in all environs. Why?
If i have a soul, why does nobody want to pay me real money to take it away?
Silly question, i know, but i don't believe i have one, and if i do i'm sure it's no good to me anyway so... if anybody outthere believes in souls you can buy mine, any amount of whatever currency is fine, you can buy multiple souls in fact if you want - hey, i didn't make the shit up!
the trinity: the intellecte the emotion state. and the corps or even more depper in psychology the parent(intellect) the me (the emotion) the i(the body) in french it is the sur-moi, le moi et le je it is like in religion the father refer to the parent ,vs the intellect, the soual(spirit) refer to the emotional state vs the me and the i, goes to jesus refer to the body
The soul is an old concept, much older than Christianity. It arose as an explanation of why bodies moved and rocks did not. I am constantly baffled as to why people in the 21st century still adhere to the primitive concept.
its so funny that people cant see that when you die other people will still be alive. in that sense consciousness does exist after death. your personality will be gone, your thoughts will be gone. your "soul" will not float out of your body to some other place. existence will go on and you will rot. that doesnt mean you should be afraid of death. just think about all the other people who will wake up and continue to exist
my brother is disabled, as in he's 11 but he is like a 5 month old baby, and what i want to ask the people who belive in souls is if when my brother dies will his "soul" be like a normal person's?
@H4L0K1LL4 well, a soul isn't supposed to be limited by the body, so most believers in the soul would say that its possible or gauranteed for his soul to be free of bodily disabilities upon bodily death or at least at some stage thereafter
@Pomme843 schizophrenics don't have multiple personalities. Multiple personalities is extremely rare and its existance is disputed. Usually the soul is conceived of as being something separate or distinct from the body and therefore not affected by brain malfunctions
@lookatmepleasesir But then, what interest would I have in my soul? Since I am affected by my body, while my soul isn't, what makes people think that that soul is me? My personality and behavior is constantly affected by external stimuli, hormonal flux, which parts of my brain are active, etc. If my soul is not affected by these, then what is my soul? What are the traits of my soul if it does not acquire its traits from matter? Is my soul really "me"?
@lookatmepleasesir Whether we should care for where our souls go depends on our definition of our identity? What if I want the most pleasure in my existance, and I knew how to earn having my soul go to heaven, or somewhere like that. Would it be rational to work towards having my soul go to heaven if my soul is just a spiritual entity that sort of follows me around, and whether it's actually me depends on how we define it? Seems a weak argument for even trying to earn the reward.
@lookatmepleasesir What do you make of those people who have had their corpus callosum cut, so that half of their brain says they believe in god, and the other half says they do not? Anyone can be brain damaged and change their entire personality! The point is that ANY of these circumstances, and many more, is conclusive evidence that the soul is NOT REAL. Saying schizophrenia or MP is rare is utterly beside the point!!
All I heard of of Nasal McNasal was "See, the soul exists because OTHERWISE WHEN I FLIPPED THE SWITCH FRANKENSTEIN WOULD HAVE NOT COME BACK. IIIIIIIGOR"
When I die I'm going to request to be freezed down until they figure out how to ressurect me :D Would be quite awesome to wake up in a new world...bring your ancient knowledge to future people :D
@JonathanClement140 That idea is very old, 60 or so years when solutions for General Relativity were found by Godel. Note even in the extreme case where you solve a number of huge problems both experimental and strong theoretical objections, to actually generate them, you still have the Novikov limitation on what time travel can do (essentially nothing you can't change the future) and the fact Quantum Gravity is likely to remove the solutions.
@JonathanClement140 You would need the machine to already exist before you die for the nanobots to be sent back to map you brain, an admittedly attractive idea, but the reconstructed brain would not be you, it would be an almost exact replica but the second it is created it becomes a new entity. Still, I would do it.
@lookatmepleasesir Qualitatively yes, but not quantitatively. That is why we can change over time but still be us. Look, a brain mapped by nanobots and downloaded into a computer would be indistinguishable from the person mapped (at least at that one moment) but would immediately become it's own entity, and the original brain would have changed in countless ways before the copy could start operating.
@hoboboxerjoe I read it in my last year of college in a class on Zen Buddhism. It was a great companion to other Zen books I read, because Pirsig does a great job of breaking down Eastern Zen ideas by way of "Western" analogies and fiction. I recommended it because the ideas in Zen literature are a great way to understand what the "self" is, but they can be difficult to understand if you just dive right into the writings of the old Zen teachers. Reading Pirsig really helps.
But from moment to moment the brain state is different, the cell structure is different. Matt constantly changes and yet there is an idea of Matt that does not change - this is his soul. It is like the ship of theseus (I think) Aristotle.
these is no soul as body-like but there is spirit that we know that we are conscious ourselves with the help of material firing of our brain. The essential "you and I" that within each of us knows that I am is what I am with this body at current moment.
In theire air space that they consider to be none human tech! These craft dont pretend they havent been seen..(how could we know that)...?? I would love to hear your view on why people considered otherwise sane would lie about these things?? I've said on some points Im speculating not paranoid..(I am where the govs concerned lol)! Just want to know why u would dismiss good empirical evidece!
But then again why would ET's have to share their tech? The question I have is do u really belive the astronauts are lying (why?)...also there is footage that nasa have released of space missions that show many UFO's,have u seen this footage? But again do u think all these otherwise credible people are lying,and in many cases to the detriment of their careers and reputation?
@1THETRUTH10 One more thing , Let's say your right and the governments are in on it. What can we do? Nothing .... So why worry over something we can't possibly change ... Hell we can't even get regulatory laws in place for wall street. If we are doomed , then we are doomed , but untill I see first hand that we will be servents to our space masters ... I'm going on and trying to fix things here.
@googoobh I agree we should sort out the problems we have as a race first,that is the most important thing! But I cannot help but be intrested and intrigued by the possibility of alien visitation. It is a MASSIVE stepping stone in human history..but again I agree with the points u make about the problems we have already! Lets just hope we ca change things for the better!
@1THETRUTH10 Cool, like I just wrote I don't dislike other opinions I don't agree with [ well not all the time] , I admit I am not 100% sure we haven't been visited , but for me it seems unlikely. I understand i don't know everything , Hell I don't know half of what i should. I just need better proof.
It also has to be taken into account that in every case where there was more than one witness,it was visible to all (we both know that wouldnt apply to angels)! Also air traffic control sonar data cant imagine it just shows the facts! Did u look into the rendelshem forest incident,or the phoenix lights case? I know there are frauds and fakes,but good evidence should not be ignored!
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Friends now it's time to decide. Jesus Christ declared 2000 years ago that I AM THE WAY, I AM THE TRUTH AND I AM THE LIFE. These claim were made by only one Man, He is Jesus Christ. Now you have to decide in your heart, whether Jesus was liar or He really is THE WAY, TRUTH and LIFE. Only by Faith, you can accept Him as your Savior. Try to understand End Time and coming Judgement of God on all sinners by looking present situation on this world. Earthquake, tsunami, tornado, flood, sickness, crim
samaroo96 2 weeks ago
All Worship the Matt/Martin!
JaytheOstrich 3 weeks ago
I think the people freezing themselves are crazy. Freezing human tissue does so much damage to it, almost seems irreversible (for now).
CurryCobra 1 month ago
@CurryCobra There's another problem with freezing: It is done after you re dead. Because otherwise it would be murder because the people die in the process. So basically only dead bodies are frozen.
omnissience 5 days ago
1. You breathe air and exhale CO2.
2. You require nourishment.
3. Your heart circulates the air/nourishment/CO2.
4. Your brain ceases to function if 1,2, and 3, are not all met.
5. If the brain is damaged or ceases to function, the mind follows.
Therefore, if you think you have a soul, you are an idiot, and you should feel bad for being dumb on purpose when 1-5 clearly demonstrate that any mind we humans possess is a direct result of the continuous functionality of our brain.
GronTheMighty 2 months ago
@GronTheMighty
"any mind we humans possess is a direct result of the continuous functionality of our brain."
*SIGH* WOW did you even bother to look this up , or did you pull it straight from you're arse
lxAgnosticxl 1 month ago
@lxAgnosticxl Actually i pulled it out of yours while you were sleeping...
Regardless, if it's incorrect then correct me, otherwise complain about something more substantial ;p
GronTheMighty 1 month ago
@GronTheMighty
What you said is compatable with dualism, in other words it proves nothing.
Again did you bother to look this up?
lxAgnosticxl 1 month ago
@lxAgnosticxl Soul dualism you mean?
That's still idiocy, unless of course some pretty solid evidence is brought to the table some day to prove that it's true, and even to that end the very idea hasn't yet been formulated in any coherent or testable way.. it's gibberish in terms of reality, that's what it is.. gibberish about energy-this and disembodied-that floating in ether.. nonsensical talk about sensory perception being available with no organs to perform those functions, ect.. childish
GronTheMighty 1 month ago
@GronTheMighty
It's clear you know virtually nothing on what you're saying ,
lxAgnosticxl 1 month ago
@lxAgnosticxl Of course i dont, but believing in souls is still idiocy regardless of how stupid i might be.. goodbye Mr. troll :)
GronTheMighty 1 month ago
@GronTheMighty
goodbye & goodluck with you're chemistry homework, physics, or biology
lxAgnosticxl 1 month ago
@lxAgnosticxl Nevermind the fact that i never claimed to be proving anything, merely demonstrating a simple path to the conclusion that there is no reason to think a soul is involved in any aspect of the workings of the human mind - proofs are for mathematics, not philosophy.
Tell me, what benefit can i gain from spending my time reading more about this kind of nonsense?
Anything?
Is it better than to be doing my chemistry homework, physics, or biology?
I got my doubts ;)
GronTheMighty 1 month ago
This idea of 'condition x' which formed me possibly being able to repeat itself, forming me again is quite intriguing to me. I think of it in terms of like a lottery with infinite numbers to choose from, or nearly infinite... at some point, even if the odds against a number to reoccur are staggeringly unfavorable, the slight chance that it could happen is what we're looking at here. If I'm 'number '22956,' in this lottery of existence, this number COULD repeat at different points in time! Crazy.
allfitch84 3 months ago
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MrDeathProductions 3 months ago
there's a soul. atheists are stupid.
FallofDarkness55 4 months ago
@FallofDarkness55 Prove it.
MunkyDrag0n 4 months ago
@MunkyDrag0n remember the "time" before the big bang? we have minds existing outside the observable universe as well as inside the universe which we can see from our senses. i proved it moron.
FallofDarkness55 3 months ago
@FallofDarkness55 How do you find a mind outside of a body (i.e. outside of a universe)? How do you find a mind outside of a brain? I don't think a mind can exist outside of a brain. Never been found. Someone may have proved it. But you haven't proved shit, man.
MunkyDrag0n 3 months ago
@MunkyDrag0n we are avatars in the physical universe. The real world exists outside of our universe. Enough said. Everything we sense is simply an electrical interpretation of our brain.
FallofDarkness55 3 months ago
@FallofDarkness55 Has anyone discovered this world? Our perceptions are limited to the physical world. There is no evidence of an outside world. The Buddhists looked for it, the Chinese looked for it, everyone has looked for it. If we cannot sense it, then it doesn't exist. Period. You can try to look for it.
MunkyDrag0n 3 months ago
@MunkyDrag0n It exists. Believe me. Death is a portal to the real world. In the aggregate we are living inside a dream. Also Inception + Avatar + The Matrix + Star Wars = the true nature of reality.
FallofDarkness55 3 months ago
@FallofDarkness55 Why should I believe you? What people sense when dead is never evident to the real world. People coming back from near-death like comas do not all sense the same thing. Why should I take your word for it when their word (which is far stronger than yours) doesn't agree with you?
MunkyDrag0n 3 months ago
@MunkyDrag0n that's because you create your own outside real world. beliefs create a hyper-reality. death is a portal to an extra-dimensional space. In essence you will have an extra-dimensional body once awakening in another universe. M-theory + parallel universes = the only natural reincarnation.
FallofDarkness55 3 months ago
@FallofDarkness55 So whatever you believe is real in the outside world, eh? So then I don't have to believe there is a heaven nor a hell. I don't believe in reincarnation. If i go to the outside world, will i be there forever?
MunkyDrag0n 3 months ago
@MunkyDrag0n yes but it will be eternal darkness because that's what you believe.
FallofDarkness55 3 months ago
@FallofDarkness55 Whatever you say. No one will ever know what I experience besides me.
MunkyDrag0n 3 months ago
@FallofDarkness55 What pill do I take again? lol
allfitch84 3 months ago
@FallofDarkness55 Two claims. No evidence.
Evidence or GTFO.
IKillBabyKittensLOL 4 months ago
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God exists, that's the accepted claim by the majority of people, you want to challenge that, bring the evidence, the burden of proof is on YOU. Some narrow minded atheist proposed the wrong notion that atheism doesn't require evidence and many gullible atheists had run to foolishly embrace it. Philosophically the burden of proof is in the argument challenging the establishment. What evidence you have that atheism is true? None, zero, nada. Open your eyes, you're being deceived by an evil cult.
dejesusluisx 4 months ago
Interessting caller. Good to see, that there are not only stupit non-atheist caller...
TheTruggsess 5 months ago
@MrArpas123 I'm sorry the idea of obedience is I think demeaning and telling if a God or savior requires it. Obedience is blind; listening to someone critically is conscious living. You may agree and sometimes follow through with what they recommend, but to be obedient is just mindless. As such even if God or Christ demonstrated their existence I could never be obedient. At best I could agree with their suggestions should they make sense. But never obediently follow them.
ClumsyAssassins 5 months ago 7
@MrArpas123 Atheism has nothing to do with faith. Why do you insist that it does? Is it because you lack the understanding or is there some other interest (for instance trying to justify your own enfeebled beliefs)?
Pigroota 5 months ago 3
I really want to hear this conversation in full. Does anyone know the episode number?
MrLittletomdj 6 months ago
@MrLittletomdj #595
PosFlow 6 months ago
147 people are stupid enough to think they'll never really die.
TheRealScarr 6 months ago
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FatherofMan25 5 months ago
@MrArpas123 You're a moron and your videos only prove that you are.
TheRealScarr 6 months ago 7
@FHomeBrew Another interesting point: Most people have a tendency to believe humans have souls because of our sentience. However, "humans" weren't always sentient as you travel backwards in our phylogenetic history. So at what point did we become sentient enough that we started having souls for our being? It just doesn't make any sense. Of course, many people who believe in souls also deny evolution. So there's that.
HubbellKent 7 months ago
There's plenty of "pro life" people who say the moment the soul comes into the body is at conception. Then what about identical twins, where after conception, some of the cells split in such a manner that two people are born? Do they share a soul? Or each have half a soul? Or did the original cell at conception get two souls so they now each can have one? As usual, it doesn't make much sense...
FHomeBrew 7 months ago
If you want to maintain the belief in the soul I suppose you'd have to call the neurological action in your brain a soul. But then, you're probably better off calling it what it is.
FHomeBrew 7 months ago
Why do people always think they are "deep" when they talk about "conscientiousness?"
authorless 7 months ago
wow, this guy is full of ****
faarsight 7 months ago
@faarsight the caller, that is
faarsight 7 months ago
Hmmmmm.....
I just read fascinating review article on consciousness at pubmed, If people say that we don't know anything about consciousness or where it resides they are not right any more. Tums out we know pretty darn much about what consciousness is, what differentiates it from non conscious processing etc. Basically, consciousness is when information is made globally accessible to the brain, that is when local circuitry is not enough to solve a problem or when non standard approaches are use
faarsight 7 months ago
@ChakraBlade1 Its simple. To be dead you would have to exist if the first place. If you never came into existence, you can never be dead. Dead is simply a labour we put on people who ONCE existed, but not anymore.
gulbirk 7 months ago
@ChakraBlade1 You're responding to get more attention. You're making a mountain of what you insincerely say is a molehill.
Strangerinasland 7 months ago
@ChakraBlade1 You evidently don't know what you mean, don't care about definitions & don't care whether you're understood.
Strangerinasland 7 months ago
@ChakraBlade1 If it's so simple, why can't you just say what you mean? There is a huge difference between the 2. Or at least, say that's what you meant & leave it at that?
You're the 1 making more out of it than necessary.
Strangerinasland 7 months ago
@ChakraBlade1 It's not a matter of word games. You made a false statement. I straightened it out.
It is an important distinction which people are often confused about.
Strangerinasland 7 months ago
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@ChakraBlade1 Atheism is not a belief in no gods. Atheism is simply having no belief in gods.
Strangerinasland 7 months ago
@ChakraBlade1 Atheism is not a belief in no gods. It is not having any belief in gods.
Strangerinasland 7 months ago
I've notice that people who haven't the foggiest notion what they're talking tend to use the phrase "it's difficult to explain" a lot. People that do know what they're talking about hardly ever say that.
Kailoa36 8 months ago
0:42 Martin Headroom!
DuhIdiot1 8 months ago
WHEN I WAS A CHILD ,..i thought the soul looked like a big liver like blob ,with black marks on it ,until confession time ,when it was made clean ,by the scary priest ,AMEN
badslabber 8 months ago
I might have been half-asleep or something when I watched this, but I didn't really understand at all where the caller was going with that. I might have to rewatch it some other time.
FrostdPoptart 8 months ago
@ChakraBlade1 You said they have a strong belief in no god, but actually, I think most of the hosts (and in fact most atheists I've met) just don't hold a belief in god, and many have the strong opinion that there is no reason to believe in god.. but nobody I know believes strongly that there is definitely no god.
Anyway.. love has value to me, and emotion can be a good guide, but what I am saying is I need more than that... I value logic over emotion, and when they conflict I choose logic.
GuacamoleKun 8 months ago
@ChakraBlade1 "These people in this video have a very strong belief in no God."
Don't assume things like that.. they have said otherwise many times.
And I do not agree that these decisions have to come from the heart. My decisions come from logic. "The heart"... what IS that, even? It is too vague to have any use to me.
Decide things using whatever method you wish, and I'll do the same.
PS Osama was acting on mistaken ideas.
GuacamoleKun 8 months ago
@ChakraBlade1 No one would ever get anywhere if we didn't listen to other people's thoughts and opinions. It doesn't matter where an idea comes from if it's a good idea. From inside, from another person.. it doesn't change the quality of the idea one bit. I looked over the ideas they presented, and saw that they were better than the vague and confused ideas in my own head, and so I took on the new ideas instead. What else could I have done?
GuacamoleKun 8 months ago
If there is no soul, then I do not believe there can be purpose. The closest I can get to believing in soul rests somewhere in the question as to why life seeks to replicate. Why should there be life at all? What is it that drives elements to form amino acids to eventually form complex life forms? Those lifeforms then harness the very energy and mass from which they formed. That will, that forward momentum, that need to be...IS the soul. I don't believe it is individual, but is akin to network.
CelticValdyr 8 months ago
@CelticValdyr There doesn't have to be life and there isn't a purpose. Amino acids form for the same reason that sodium bicarbonate fizzes when you add an acid, it's just chemistry. There's nothing at all special about amino acids forming, it just chemistry. There's no will behind it, it's just ionic and covelent bonds and as we know from fractals simple rules can create great complexity.
ketsan 8 months ago
Can anyone tell me the name of the song in the beginning of the vid?
PatrioticEagle50 8 months ago
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@PatrioticEagle50
Song is "Sweet Dreams (Are Made Of This)", sung by Eurhythmics.
You can hear it and watch the video here on YouTube on the following page:
/watch?v=qeMFqkcPYcg
amoxtlacatl 8 months ago
@amoxtlacatl
Sorry - I misspelled the band's name. It's Eurythmics - scrap the "r" next to the h.
amoxtlacatl 8 months ago
The caller does have a good point. I was dead for about 15 billion years until i was naturally revived which gave me life in this universe on a planet called Earth and I know I will die again! See where I'm going with this? It's possible that a form of reincarnation may be real.
FallofDarkness55 8 months ago
@FallofDarkness55 No you werent dead, you simply didnt exist, its quite a big difference.
gulbirk 8 months ago
@gulbirk how is your existence fading away i.e. non-existence any different from death? please explain. why would musical artists such as Metallica make a song called fade away if this wasn't the case?
FallofDarkness55 8 months ago
@FallofDarkness55 Well the difference is that you have to be alive at once to be able to die. If you never died you cant be dead. thats basicly the point. Yes, in theory there is no difference. After you die, it will be exactly like before you lived. But tecniqly, I dont think you can be dead before yoy exist.
gulbirk 8 months ago
@gulbirk Yeah I see your point now. By the way i don't believe in irrational things like reincarnation. all i said was it could be possible. i'm certainly not going to live my life on this idea; it's not particularly rational!
FallofDarkness55 8 months ago
A more reasonable approach on a 'soul' is to say that you have infinitely many copies of yourself existing in infinitely many parallel universes. I realize there are people that think parallel universes are science fiction however our world-view is changing with the unification of Einstein's GR and QM!!!
FallofDarkness55 8 months ago
This is an interesting topic of discussion...
Brandt761 9 months ago
He's defining the soul into existence, completely divorced from all the evidence available. One cannot define a soul "numerically" without considerations for the qualitative. Our personalities, memories, likes/dislikes, etc, are all qualitative by their very nature, and drawing a line around those qualities and calling that a "one" is utterly arbitrary, especially given that everything in that circle can radically change, and even become many personalities.
greyeyed123 9 months ago
@greyeyed123 how likely is it that everything in that circle will radically change or become many personalities?
lookatmepleasesir 9 months ago
@lookatmepleasesir If you are trying to say that personalities, memories, likes/dislikes, etc, cannot radically change, you know nothing of neurology. Memories are notoriously faulty and can be influenced by all kinds of things after the fact. Everything ABOUT you can be influenced by physically affecting the brain: drugs, brain damage, schizophrenia, dehydration, fever, stroke, alzheimers, psychological trauma, depression, etc, all directly affect EVERYTHING about us.
greyeyed123 9 months ago
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@greyeyed123 "If you are trying to say that personalities, memories, likes/dislikes, etc, cannot radically change," did i say that? you tell me
"Memories are notoriously faulty and can be influenced by all kinds of things after the fact." thats certainly the status quo everybody likes to repeat for some reason, but what does that have to do with this subject?
lookatmepleasesir 9 months ago
@greyeyed123 "Everything ABOUT you can be influenced by physically affecting the brain: drugs, brain damage, schizophrenia, dehydration, fever, stroke, alzheimers, psychological trauma, depression, etc, all directly affect EVERYTHING about us." so what?
lookatmepleasesir 9 months ago
You asked if things that make us who were are, such as personality, likes/dislikes, memories, etc, were likely to be radically changed, implying that they can't be, and implying that since they can't be there is a soul. BUT THEY CAN BE RADICALLY CHANGED, implying there is not a soul. I might as well claim there is a magic "climbing soul" in my arms that allows me to climb, even though if you cut my fingers off one by one, my ability diminishes but my "climbing soul" is eternal in my arms!
greyeyed123 9 months ago
The soul is the part of human nature coded for by neurons in the brain that we don't understand, but will someday if we keep working at it.
Highlyskeptical 10 months ago
the soul is the totality of our bodily cells
Wittgensteinism 10 months ago
@Wittgensteinism ah you see but then a dead body has just as much claim to have a soul as a living one.
TheOmegajuice 9 months ago
@TheOmegajuice Only insofar as those cells are still living, which they're not. When the cells die, the soul dies.
I guess you could say the dead body contains a dead soul in that sense... So yea; dead bodies have souls---dead ones.
Wittgensteinism 9 months ago
@Wittgensteinism In that case how does the concept of a soul add anything to our understanding of the human experience? Normally people say that our soul exists after the death of the body, I argue against that but at least the soul has a purpose there. Why do you profess a soul at all?
TheOmegajuice 9 months ago
Sooo am I the only one that noticed that they cut the camera at 4:42?
psford1 10 months ago
my soul just took out the garbage. he's good like that.
vinegarthomas 10 months ago 18
So if someone has a brain-degenerative disease like Alzheimer's is there a "backup" of his good-days' soul waiting for him in heaven? Pleeeease...
pedazodeboludo 11 months ago
@pedazodeboludo possibly? why not?
lookatmepleasesir 9 months ago
So if someone has a brain-degenerative disease like Alzheimer's is there a "backup" of his soul waiting for him in heaven? Pleeeease...
pedazodeboludo 11 months ago
"kill someone and then rewiev them" . That only works if they are killed for a short period of time, LOL.
gulbirk 11 months ago
@iracuda76
If you've brain and you get drunk, does your brain get drunk?
mrhardik 11 months ago
It is because of this show that I dropped my belief of the soul. I've always been atheist but now I feel I'm much better at critical thinking. Thanks guys.
GuacamoleKun 11 months ago 16
@GuacamoleKun Whether gods exist does not depend on whether souls exist.
Strangerinasland 7 months ago
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GuacamoleKun 7 months ago
@Strangerinasland ...I never said that it does.
GuacamoleKun 7 months ago
@GuacamoleKun I never said you said it does.
Strangerinasland 7 months ago
@Strangerinasland ..touché.
GuacamoleKun 7 months ago
Beets. Bears. Battlestar Galactica.
stinkylettuce 11 months ago
Proof that there is no such thing as a "soul":
FACT:We are all made from atoms. These atoms have been identified and categorized on the periodic table. There is no atom that has a "spiritual" value. So therefore a soul does not and CANNOT exist.
kiemul136 11 months ago
@kiemul136 why is that proof that a soul does not and cannot exist?
lookatmepleasesir 9 months ago
If you define the soul as the essence of who you are as a person, that it is affected by the actions that you take (sin), and that it is riding around inside your body without regard to the physical, then the soul as defined does not exist. All it takes is a cursory understanding of neurology to spot the contradictions. What people call a "soul" is simply the manifestation in physical reality of a physical brain and body. You take away the brain, there is no more manifestation.
greyeyed123 9 months ago
@lookatmepleasesir Because atoms are not "spiritual". FACT: We are made up the same atoms that you would find in an insect, plant, fungus or bacterium. Do these have "souls" to?
Get it through your arrogant and self-righteous mind: We are not special. We are the same decaying organic matter as anything else. Get over it!
kiemul136 9 months ago
@kiemul136 arrogant and self-righteous? I haven't even asserted the existance of a soul, all I did was ask you a question. You seem arrogant and self-righteous. If we are only atoms does that mean we're not biological, emotional, and mental beings as well?
lookatmepleasesir 9 months ago
@lookatmepleasesir We are only atoms. Atoms are what cause our biology, our mentality, and our emotions. Your thoughts and emotions are nothing more than chemicals and electricity flowing through your brain. Your brain is nothing more than a computer, and your body is its machine. The brain is programed to survive, to seek pleasure, and to reproduce. Your body is the robot that the computer controls in order to do all the things it is programed for, seek food, water, shelter, and mate.
PatrioticEagle50 8 months ago
@PatrioticEagle50 our body is a robot? what a boring underestimation. We are organisms, not robots or machines. We don't know that we are only atoms or that our brains are only computers. You're just spouting boring, bleak dogmas.
lookatmepleasesir 8 months ago
@PatrioticEagle50 Reductionist in the extreme. The problem (I would say awesome revelation) is our collection of atoms have resulted in an extremely complex animal that can ponder the very substance from which it is made. Atoms which were formed by stars. Those very stars are now studied by us, a mere collection of atoms as you would put it. When the enormous quantity of mass "seeks" the stability of Iron (as I understand radioactive decay, etc.), Life seeks to replicate in all environs. Why?
CelticValdyr 8 months ago
★★★★★
Katalyzt 11 months ago
If i have a soul, why does nobody want to pay me real money to take it away?
Silly question, i know, but i don't believe i have one, and if i do i'm sure it's no good to me anyway so... if anybody outthere believes in souls you can buy mine, any amount of whatever currency is fine, you can buy multiple souls in fact if you want - hey, i didn't make the shit up!
GronTheMighty 1 year ago
the trinity: the intellecte the emotion state. and the corps or even more depper in psychology the parent(intellect) the me (the emotion) the i(the body) in french it is the sur-moi, le moi et le je it is like in religion the father refer to the parent ,vs the intellect, the soual(spirit) refer to the emotional state vs the me and the i, goes to jesus refer to the body
mystisme 1 year ago
@logoRH You know people will go on about the bodies own magnetic fields and the mind and all that now and claim that is the soul right? :P
Sweddude 1 year ago
The soul is an old concept, much older than Christianity. It arose as an explanation of why bodies moved and rocks did not. I am constantly baffled as to why people in the 21st century still adhere to the primitive concept.
CommanderC4 1 year ago
its so funny that people cant see that when you die other people will still be alive. in that sense consciousness does exist after death. your personality will be gone, your thoughts will be gone. your "soul" will not float out of your body to some other place. existence will go on and you will rot. that doesnt mean you should be afraid of death. just think about all the other people who will wake up and continue to exist
whitewalls1222 1 year ago
Dualism?
Shydrow 1 year ago
my brother is disabled, as in he's 11 but he is like a 5 month old baby, and what i want to ask the people who belive in souls is if when my brother dies will his "soul" be like a normal person's?
H4L0K1LL4 1 year ago
@H4L0K1LL4 well, a soul isn't supposed to be limited by the body, so most believers in the soul would say that its possible or gauranteed for his soul to be free of bodily disabilities upon bodily death or at least at some stage thereafter
lookatmepleasesir 9 months ago
Can the soul get Alzheimer? Do schizophreniacs have multiple souls?
Pomme843 1 year ago
@Pomme843 schizophrenics don't have multiple personalities. Multiple personalities is extremely rare and its existance is disputed. Usually the soul is conceived of as being something separate or distinct from the body and therefore not affected by brain malfunctions
lookatmepleasesir 9 months ago
@lookatmepleasesir But then, what interest would I have in my soul? Since I am affected by my body, while my soul isn't, what makes people think that that soul is me? My personality and behavior is constantly affected by external stimuli, hormonal flux, which parts of my brain are active, etc. If my soul is not affected by these, then what is my soul? What are the traits of my soul if it does not acquire its traits from matter? Is my soul really "me"?
Pomme843 9 months ago
@Pomme843 that depends on how you define your identity.
lookatmepleasesir 9 months ago
@lookatmepleasesir Whether we should care for where our souls go depends on our definition of our identity? What if I want the most pleasure in my existance, and I knew how to earn having my soul go to heaven, or somewhere like that. Would it be rational to work towards having my soul go to heaven if my soul is just a spiritual entity that sort of follows me around, and whether it's actually me depends on how we define it? Seems a weak argument for even trying to earn the reward.
Pomme843 9 months ago
@lookatmepleasesir What do you make of those people who have had their corpus callosum cut, so that half of their brain says they believe in god, and the other half says they do not? Anyone can be brain damaged and change their entire personality! The point is that ANY of these circumstances, and many more, is conclusive evidence that the soul is NOT REAL. Saying schizophrenia or MP is rare is utterly beside the point!!
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greyeyed123 9 months ago
@andrewweis Get your soul to rubber up.
lracuda76 1 year ago
You are all crazy!!! When you damage your neurons, the soul runs away instantly!!!!!!
Flem1337 1 year ago 2
All I heard of of Nasal McNasal was "See, the soul exists because OTHERWISE WHEN I FLIPPED THE SWITCH FRANKENSTEIN WOULD HAVE NOT COME BACK. IIIIIIIGOR"
tikifreakazoid 1 year ago
Phineas Gage
gangrenouslimb 1 year ago
A brain transplant would answer alot of questions lol
kittykatBflat 1 year ago
When I die I'm going to request to be freezed down until they figure out how to ressurect me :D Would be quite awesome to wake up in a new world...bring your ancient knowledge to future people :D
Hermoor 1 year ago
@Hermoor they're already freezing people. it runs about 100,000 dollars
jhank004 1 year ago
@jhank004 freezing people is easy,thawing people is where we have a problem
ViralMessiah 1 year ago
@Hermoor If we figure time travel out, all we would need to resurrect you are brain mapping nano-bots.
JonathanClement140 1 year ago
@JonathanClement140 time travel isn't possible, you can't go back just into the future?
Hermoor 1 year ago
@Hermoor We don't know that for sure! There are some scientists who say it IS possible to travel into the past.
JonathanClement140 1 year ago
@JonathanClement140 There are published papers in the scientific literature by scientists who argue for people being able to travel back in time?
CliffStamp 1 year ago
@CliffStamp Yes. Look up ronald Mallet for one!
JonathanClement140 1 year ago
@JonathanClement140 That idea is very old, 60 or so years when solutions for General Relativity were found by Godel. Note even in the extreme case where you solve a number of huge problems both experimental and strong theoretical objections, to actually generate them, you still have the Novikov limitation on what time travel can do (essentially nothing you can't change the future) and the fact Quantum Gravity is likely to remove the solutions.
CliffStamp 1 year ago
@JonathanClement140 my dog doesn't like chilli...but he does enjoy the smell of the beef cooking on he stove. Does this answer your question?
Roy19120 1 year ago
@JonathanClement140 You would need the machine to already exist before you die for the nanobots to be sent back to map you brain, an admittedly attractive idea, but the reconstructed brain would not be you, it would be an almost exact replica but the second it is created it becomes a new entity. Still, I would do it.
gordonisnext 1 year ago
@gordonisnext aren't we becoming new entities from moment to moment even in this body?
lookatmepleasesir 9 months ago
@lookatmepleasesir Qualitatively yes, but not quantitatively. That is why we can change over time but still be us. Look, a brain mapped by nanobots and downloaded into a computer would be indistinguishable from the person mapped (at least at that one moment) but would immediately become it's own entity, and the original brain would have changed in countless ways before the copy could start operating.
gordonisnext 9 months ago
"What are you doing?" "Praying my Backup." :D
MichaelLV99 1 year ago
i dont really believe in the soul i think there is "consciousness"
JackLefty 1 year ago
@JackLefty 100% agreed. the term soul is confusing, and doesn't really mean anything.
Consciousness !
markgg1 1 year ago
@JackLefty,
We are conscious because we have brains that are highly developed.
dmnemaine 10 months ago
Anyone interested in questions like the ones addressed in this segment should read "Zen and Motorcycle Maintenance" by Robert Pirsig.
instereovideos 1 year ago
@instereovideos, did you get that from AronRa's recommendation? Just wondering because that's where I heard it.
hoboboxerjoe 1 year ago
@hoboboxerjoe I read it in my last year of college in a class on Zen Buddhism. It was a great companion to other Zen books I read, because Pirsig does a great job of breaking down Eastern Zen ideas by way of "Western" analogies and fiction. I recommended it because the ideas in Zen literature are a great way to understand what the "self" is, but they can be difficult to understand if you just dive right into the writings of the old Zen teachers. Reading Pirsig really helps.
instereovideos 1 year ago
its a 11 dimensional multiverse... have you looked there ?
osheal 1 year ago
i think the caller was actually pretty clever, not the same nutjob as most callers are
Quiestre 1 year ago
if Christoper hitch ens suffering from Espagas cancer for insulting Islam?Then Matt too will suffer?
samgee2007 1 year ago
If I have a soul and I get drunk, does my soul get drunk?
lracuda76 1 year ago 48
@lracuda76 Only if you drink spirits. ;)
MrFungus420 1 year ago
@MrFungus420 Or Aethernol :)
lracuda76 1 year ago
@lracuda76 If a ventriloquist dies and goes to hell does the dummy go to Heaven?
Thoughtland 11 months ago
@Thoughtland I suppose it depends on the dummy and where he let the ventriloquist stick his hand.
lracuda76 11 months ago
@lracuda76 If I drill a hole into my head and shove a penis into it, does my soul get fucked?
GodsGayLover 11 months ago
@GodsGayLover No, that's a knobotomy.
lracuda76 11 months ago
@lracuda76 Yes
Keitaro2011 10 months ago
@lracuda76 I think souls are kind of drunk by definition.
noelsaloy 10 months ago
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@lracuda76 I think souls are kind of drunk by definition. ;)
noelsaloy 10 months ago
But from moment to moment the brain state is different, the cell structure is different. Matt constantly changes and yet there is an idea of Matt that does not change - this is his soul. It is like the ship of theseus (I think) Aristotle.
Webchecker36 1 year ago
these is no soul as body-like but there is spirit that we know that we are conscious ourselves with the help of material firing of our brain. The essential "you and I" that within each of us knows that I am is what I am with this body at current moment.
symmetry08 1 year ago
My soul is in my shoes.
Tutankhamin653 1 year ago 19
@Tutankhamin653
*Ba-Domp-Chishhhh*
mxskizzorbelly8 10 months ago
In theire air space that they consider to be none human tech! These craft dont pretend they havent been seen..(how could we know that)...?? I would love to hear your view on why people considered otherwise sane would lie about these things?? I've said on some points Im speculating not paranoid..(I am where the govs concerned lol)! Just want to know why u would dismiss good empirical evidece!
1THETRUTH10 1 year ago
But then again why would ET's have to share their tech? The question I have is do u really belive the astronauts are lying (why?)...also there is footage that nasa have released of space missions that show many UFO's,have u seen this footage? But again do u think all these otherwise credible people are lying,and in many cases to the detriment of their careers and reputation?
1THETRUTH10 1 year ago
@1THETRUTH10 One more thing , Let's say your right and the governments are in on it. What can we do? Nothing .... So why worry over something we can't possibly change ... Hell we can't even get regulatory laws in place for wall street. If we are doomed , then we are doomed , but untill I see first hand that we will be servents to our space masters ... I'm going on and trying to fix things here.
googoobh 1 year ago
@googoobh I agree we should sort out the problems we have as a race first,that is the most important thing! But I cannot help but be intrested and intrigued by the possibility of alien visitation. It is a MASSIVE stepping stone in human history..but again I agree with the points u make about the problems we have already! Lets just hope we ca change things for the better!
1THETRUTH10 1 year ago
@1THETRUTH10 Cool, like I just wrote I don't dislike other opinions I don't agree with [ well not all the time] , I admit I am not 100% sure we haven't been visited , but for me it seems unlikely. I understand i don't know everything , Hell I don't know half of what i should. I just need better proof.
googoobh 1 year ago
It also has to be taken into account that in every case where there was more than one witness,it was visible to all (we both know that wouldnt apply to angels)! Also air traffic control sonar data cant imagine it just shows the facts! Did u look into the rendelshem forest incident,or the phoenix lights case? I know there are frauds and fakes,but good evidence should not be ignored!
1THETRUTH10 1 year ago