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  • Even if Your claim that the Anasai wnt south and became the Aztecs-bottom line They abandoned the Southwest.How many of the current Natives living in the Southwest now want any part of Azlatan?

  • !!! 2050 !!!

  • Americans don´t know that the lands was stoled, by coward who "fight" to steal that land, against to poor army, New MEXICO, Texas, California, Arizona, Southern Oregon, Utah, Nevada was stoled by cowardly bastards

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  • I am mexican as well as guatemalan, I know enough about the mexican people all thanks to your video, so what of the guatemalan peoples where were they during all this time?

  • not just Mexicans but [most] all Latina(o)s are meztizo--mixed european and native blood. this means that yes [most] all Latina(o)s are indigenous peoples on the ancestral homeland, what is now called America.

    with pride, Mexican Spanish is filled with Nahuatl (indigenous american language): words like zacate (grass), popote (straw), tecolote (owl), camote (sweet potatoe), yuca (cassava), Mexico (Mexica). so Mexicans [who speak Spanish] are speaking Nahuatl--a Native American language--too.

  • I'm sending a message on behalf of a friend of mine who doesn't have a YouTube account. She was curious as to the music used in this video. I know this is a fairly silly question, but I was hoping to help her out (she's an international studies major focusing on South America, so I think the music really fascinated her).

  • @mkb07a The people singing here aren't "South American" (I put it in quotes because the real name by the Andean nations is Tawantinsuyu). If she wants to hear Tawantinsuyuan music, I recommend Awatinas (the n is squiggly but I don't know how to type that), Illimani (a song called Aymarita), and Waskar Amaru. The type of music heard here is typical of northern tribal nations by groups such as Northern Cree and Blacklodge Singers.

  • Oh, and good job with showing the serpent is a later addition. I argue with people over that all the time. However, saying that the Yaqui are "Aztec" would make a Mexica roll over in his or her grave. Heck, it'd make a modern Nahua throw a fit. The Aztecs were quite "racist" towards them, like they were with the Otomi, considering them uncultured Chichimecca unworthy of the same rights and privileges as proper Mexica. The homogeneous identity idea in Mexico started with Crillolos not the Indios.

  • I wouldn't call this anthropologically sound. It's got a lot of spin. Sure, there were no walls, but to say that people were free to go where they wanted denounces Tarascan, Mexica, Totonac and Nuu Savi ideals. Not that they shouldn't have that right today, but I'm just saying. Also, the Hopi take a lot of issue with the Aztlan idea, since it was the Toltec who came north first, founded places like Chaco, and proceeded to subjugate the population in a slave/caste system before going back south.

  • "Durán, himself, considered Aztlán, Colhuacan, and Chicomoztoc to be different names for the same place of origin which he believed to be located to the north of New Spain, near present-day Florida."

  • "On February 2, 1848, a Treaty of Peace, Friendship, Limits, and Settlement was signed at Guadalupe Hidalgo, thus terminating the Mexican-American War. to acquire .. Nuevo México and the Californias (which included parts of the present-day states of New Mexico, Arizona, California, Nevada, Utah, and Colorado). Ultimately, Mexico was obliged to cede Alta California, Nuevo México, and northern portions of the states of Sonora, Coahuila and Tamaulipas."

  • The Mexicans on the 20th-21st centuries did NOT orginate in the 4 corners area, but in Mexico, for crying out loud! Cud a modern American claim that Normady in France was his homehand because his ancestors came to England with Wm the Conquerer in 1066, conquered England; then later ancestors came to North America; so one could go back to 1066 & claim French citizenship???

  • My parents and me where born in Guadalajara Mexico does than mean I have Aztec blood in me? If somebody can please answer me this because I would love to know more about my ancestors ..

  • More racism. At least we confronted our racism in the 60's, and even earlier during the Civil War. Can the same be said of Mexicans? Is it not enough that you have destroyed Mexico and turned it into a drug cartel war zone with a corrupt government...now you want to do the same to the US? Thanks, or should I say gracias POR NADA.

  • @paganwheels its like that with the drug cartels because they all want to get rich with the dollars where do you think the drugs go??? if there is a demand for it some one will supply also do some history the us was funded with heroin.

  • Forget Aztlan because the government in the country showed that the Mestizo population in Mexico were on average 55% of indigenous ancestry followed by 41.8 % of European, 1.8% of African, and 1.2% of East Asian ancestry. The fight now comes to which European have the most claim to South West US since most of the original tribe no longer exists.

  • funny..... i just know that separate tribes had ALWAYS lived in the part that you call Aztlan up until SPANISH settlement....

  • I have one quick observation.....It is hard to tell the relationship of the languages of the peoples that you have mentioned in your video...meaning that they have seperated thousands of years ago. This seperation didn't happen in just less than 2000 years as you claim in your video.

  • I have Azteca Native blood running threw me no foreign white man will ever convince me that i am out of place in the north because my ancestors harvest does lands way before their ancestor arrive here from Europe ...White America does not exist white man go home you have over stayed you're welcome.

  • @puepue11 Over-sayed our welcome? Fine. We'll take everything that our culture developed that allows people to live so comfortably and healthily. That means your low-riders and guns too. You can go back to rippping each other's hearts out with sharp rocks.

  • @setset2 yes also take you're aids,small pox,cancer, along with all other bacterias you brought to kill the natives this was a utopia cleanses Continent in the world until the dirty white man came here and brought does dirty rats along along with Christianity .

  • @puepue11 Oh you mean all of the germs we have since invented technologies to deal with?  Yes, we'll take those back too. Study some epidemiology. Weak collectives die off to drive forth evolution.

  • @setset2 you talk like if The united states invited everything think again China and Russia even Brazil are the new leaders of technology so don't think the world owes everything to the U.S.

  • @puepue11 Pffft. They do. China would still look like it did in the 1850's were it not for the west. Even Mao acknowledged that. Russia is a giant toilet, that's why they're flocking to the US in record numbers. Anyone in Brazil doing anything new was educated in the US. The End.

  • @setset2 u have no idea how much money the U.S owes China Russia finally got some balls and is rebuilding its country soon the soviet Union will be back and Brazil may be the next Leader of the world have you seen Brazil city's amazing .. the U.S was the best everything has and end ..

  • @puepue11 HA! China will do themselves in before they even think to collect. Mark my words, China will be a giant Detroit in 50 years. They have never been able to survive themselves. Consider the fate of Zheng He's voyages. They were WAY ahead of the west at the time, too. You ever been to Russia? I have. It's a dump. They are still building 1970's level cars with 1940's level tools. As for Brazil- 5% of them hold 90% of the country's wealth. You'll see how that shit flies in the long run!

  • @setset2 well in the us 2% owns pretty much owns the banks,government and decides what new apathetics to release to its own citizens.China is a work in progress builds pretty much everything we use in north America Brazil is exporting everyday more and more while The U.S cant even take care of its own most dont even have healthcare whee in country like Cuba and Canada do... The U.S who try's to be the worlds Police is slowly y fading away ...

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  • Many lands were previously occupied by other civilizations. That is past history. The US currently occupies this land, and welcomes anyone who wants to become a US citizen. The quality of life north of the Rio Grande is much better than south of the border. The world is a smaller place with many more people. We either learn to live in harmony or we will kill each other off. This movement does not espouse a peaceful solution.

  • Many lands were previously occupied by other civilizations. That's past history. The US currently occupies this land, and welcomes anyone who wants to become a US citizen. The quality of life north of the Rio Grande is much better than south of the border. The world is a smaller place with many more people. We either learn to live in harmony or we will kill each other off. This movement does not espouse a peaceful solution.

  • Google Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo before making ignorant statements (pro or con) and learn some history.

  • Why is it that Mexicans never marched through Mexico City and claimed their "indigenous" rights in Mexico? THAT is the land of their native ancestors, not the USA.

    Why is it that Mexicans don't organize and March, and riot against a corrupt thieving government in Mexico, THEIR LAND?

  • @espada9 We claim the right to march the length and width of all America. Mexico city is called the city bof marches, but you wouldn't know since FAUX doesn't report that. An yes mexico is corrupt since the biggest corruptor in the world is the US goverment which is run by bought off politicians from banks,insurance and oil companies, so we protest in our invaded homeland. Invaded by Europeans, see you have claimed nativeness being an invading foreigner. So all this is a big surprise, foreigner

  • @coltzin12: Invading foreigner assumes I came from somewhere else, I was born HERE, NATIVE. Your culture is inherently corrupt and weak, your civilizations were primitive and barbaric, YOU LOST, now go back home before someone puts some 308 rounds through your head knuckle dragger. To think a few thousand Marxist beaner radicals will overcome MILLIONS of armed, trained, much larger, stronger and intelligent Americans is laughable.

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  • I have no problems with the Europeans. I enjoy their history and culture and I think that our people, my fathers people and my own people, are stronger because they intergrated, not weaker. But the Mexican people have no been treated well. Under the Treaty of Gudalupe Hidalgo, Mexicans are to be treated as US citizens. This was not so, and was never so. I fight for the preservation of this tenent of the treaty, OR the destruction of it, and the land returned to its rightful owners. 

  • both sides to me sound pretty silly the more i get older. i dont even know how i got here. hmmm

  • Ah, man, this makes my similar video look amaturish (which it is). Good job!

    Does not the story of the people say we would return? (Which we have).

    Nothing about 'taking over' - that's a eru claim!

  • california has nothing to do with this so

    any mexicans dont call this land (where some of my ancestors are from) aztlan

  • Also, where do you get your facts? I always viewed Aztlan as Truth not an actual location. Aztlan is the freeing of "Mexicans" minds from the mental chains of the criollos. Aztlan is the seeking of Knowledge. Aztlan is turning that Knowledge into action....For me, a Xicano, to identify myself as Mexica is weird because I know my grandfather on my mom's side is a Tepehuan from Durango. Also my grandmother on my dad's side is also Tepehuan, just from a different community.

  • @xicanoxxxl Tepehuano = O'dam Ask your grandfathers what language they spoke, They spoke O'dham like the Pima in Arizona and the Tohono O'odham. The Tepehuano=O'dam spread from Arizona-New mexico south to Chihuahua,Sonora,Durango,Nayar­it,Zacatecas,Jalisco. Inother words in the US you are a PIMA indian. I studied my ancestry and am part O'dam.I'm also Acaxee and Tahue who are Colhua(toltec). The Hopi called us "the most ancient ones", the Mexica "those with devine grandfathers".

  • @coltzin12 cool, I will be sure to ask him soon. I remember him talking about the

    Mitote, it's some sort of celebration. I've been having trouble finding indepth information about the Tepehuano, although I do recall reading something to the same affect as what you have written. It's weird to think that here in the US I'm PIMA...even weirder that on paper I'm "Hispanic" what a lie,huh?..

  • I'm a bit confused when you describe the "Anazazi (sp?) Empire " as the "Aztec Empire". I guess you are trying to show that they are one in the same.? I guess the point you are trying to make is that our (Mexicans) ancestral lands are in the four corners region. It's a good point but I belive that all the Nican Tlaca people unite to say that this is all( Cemanahuac "North and South america") ours collectively.Once liberation is achived we amongst ourselves can work out the details.

  • interesting stuff

  • ¿Entonces los "aztecas" donde encontraron la señal de la leyenda de Huichilopoztl?

  • The spirit of the Aztec LIVES. It is angry at the white invader and haunts him for lying, destroying, humiliating, dehumanizing, discriminating, hating, confusing, belittleling, marginalizing and mistreating his people.

  • @mhtxaq If the Aztec culture had been as strong and superior to euro-culture as you fantasize, they would have survived the "invasion". The "Spirit" of the Aztecs may live, but thier culture is dead forever. Get over it.

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  • i say after aztlan we prosper for 100 years and then give back the land back to the lokota, cherokee, and navajo and any other native tribes lost from the white man.

  • is this true? was there a Mexica Empire. i don't think thats true dude. stay strong brown brother, one day the land will be ares again

  • Revisionist history from insecure knuckle dragger throw backs, yawn.

    REAL American Indians LAUGH AT YOU MARXIST STOOGES!!!!

  • @espada9

    Really? that's your best argument?

    First of all, "American Indians" from the Mapuche in Argentina to the Tzotzil in Chiapas to the Raramuri in Chihuahua to the Dakota in Dakota to the Inupiak in Canada are all "indigenous", so...in case you still don't get it, it means that from Canada to Argentina they are all "American Indians"

    BTW, I am not a Marxist nor a Communist...I don't subscribe to Eurocentric ideologies...thanks for the post.

  • @EndemicEpistemology: I've never wronged an AMERICAN Indian in my life you lying knuckle dragger.

    Mezzo-American Indians (Aztecs, Olmecs, Toltecs, Mayans, etc) are native to the lands SOUTH of the Rio Grande. I was BORN IN THE USA a CITIZEN therefore I AM NATIVE. All you criminal parasites will get from me are 308 cal holes in your empty fucing heads.

  • @espada9 Real American Indians? You mean the ones you have completely raped culturally? They can laugh all they want. These facts remain. Europeans are squatters in America. Most mexicans are native. We are not foreigners in America. White Euros are foeigners in America.

  • @espada9 Amen.Look @the way way the Whites in Mexico treats Its Native population

  • @espada9 dude see the true... for example the native american church is based to the peyotism, a religion & ideology from Mexico of the toltec culture huichol & many others.. second mor pure native americans are from latin america than u.s.a, third all our cosmology & spirituality are similar & practical the same (nahualism for example the spiritual leader & erc..) from esquimals to mapuche ppl, 4 i'm yaqui, tibe that belongs usa & mexico, & least u belong to the uto-aztecan family if ur native

  • The year was 1848.

    More than 160 years ago and Mexican radicals are still blaming Gringos for their own sorry mess. Viva USA

  • @AcePilot101 You seem to be confused between Mexican scholars and Mexican patriots...and as to blaming Gringos, you said it not me, if the glove fits, wear it.

  • @EndemicEpistemology And since You live in a war zone make su8re to duck lol

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  • @AcePilot101 if u'r not sure just search abou the uto-aztecan family of lenguages in wiki... is about cultures of usa & mexico of common past... whatever o search for the pueblo cultures than are shearing mexican-usa lands in places like mesa verde, cuarenta casas, la cueva de la olla & paquime, or what about the cahokians of misissipi? their culture are close to the mayans, & the hopi & apache are from south Mexico

  • The Atzlan myth has it's roots in the treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo.

    Mexico ceded Arizona, California, Colorado, Nevada and Utah to the USA.

    Fly your Mexican flag in Mexico.

    God bless America.

  • @AcePilot101 The Aztlan legend has it's roots in Mexica-Tenochca ethnic roots and heritage. It has absolutely nothing to do with the Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo. Mexicans never ceded those states, they were annexed by the U.S.A., huge difference. Mexicans ARE flying their flag in Mexico, like the states of New MEXICO, Texas, California, Arizona, Southern Oregon, Utah, Nevada, Southern Colorado. God bless Mexico!

  • Fuck Aztlan. There is no aztlan, and to speak of one is a declaration of war.

  • @TheFeralFury Truth hurts huh? To speak of a historical place is a declaration of war? how old are you, like 12? GROW UP!

  • @EndemicEpistemology What truth? 

  • @TheFeralFury the truth about Aztlan

  • 7:00...That all depends on who the Anasazi really were, doesn't it?

  • @TheFeralFury The Anasazi were the Azteca as is evidenced by the arrival of the Dineh and Apache who pushed the Azteca out and they later became known as the Tolteca in Mexico, the Shoshoni in Wyoming, the Moqui in Arizona.

  • @TheFeralFury BtW, LOOK at the Disturnell map of 1847, it was the map used in the signing of the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo between Mexico and the USA...on that map it clearly states that the Homeland of the Azteca is located slightly north of Arizona in Utah, so even that legitimizes the truth about the Aztec homeland...it even clearly indicates that the USA signed a treaty using a map which acknowledges that Mexicans originated in Utah through their Aztec ethnic heritage.

  • @EndemicEpistemology An 1847 map is the final authority on the subject of a history that happened thousands of years before that map, or that treaty were made? I find that idea to be incredibly dubious at the very least..

  • @TheFeralFury No, an 1847 map is not the final authority, it is only one more piece of evidence that builds on a foundation that's already been established through the tribal oral tradition of the Hopi, Shoshoni, Comanche, Nahua, and many other tribes, not to count the linguistic evidence which establishes without a doubt the glottochronology of Nahuatl in Arizona.

  • This is total horseshit....

  • @TheFeralFury Sorry, but Horses and horseshit was brought to our continent by Europeans, so...it's your horseshit not ours. BTW, you also brought cockroaches, rats, pigs, chickesn, cows, and flies...

  • @EndemicEpistemology I guess at this point you will say something retarded like say, "go back to Europe" or some other nonsense, but I can assure you that not only is that impossible in practical terms, it's not likely to ever happen under any circumstances at all.

  • @TheFeralFury I won't say "go back to Europe" if you don't tell me to "go back where you came from"...which by the way...we come from the North American continent...but you are at least aware where you come from.

    I wouldn't want to deport Europeans back to Europe, I have many friends who I would miss if that happened.

  • @EndemicEpistemology I wouldn't tell you that if you came here legally..So that being the case, no problem, otherwise, it is a problem..I don't belong to a racist organization calling itself "the race" nor do I, or will I, seek the estermination of any other race of mankind....By the way, ever heard of the Ainu?

  • @TheFeralFury This is where you are confused my friend. We don't have to "come here legally" BECAUSE we have ALWAYS been here. We were here before this country was ever called the USA, we were here before the Europeans ever had contact with the Taino and Carib.

    Another thing you are confused about, the term RAZA is the same term tha the Navajo use in their language, they call themselves DINEH, which means the same thing as RAZA, what does it mean? THE PEOPLE... The Ainu indigenous to Japan

  • @EndemicEpistemology We disagree at this point....Whites were never solely restricted to the continent of Europe only, so I could basically make the same claim you are making...Raza means race. That's how it translates from spanish at least. I make no pretenses otherwise to be an expert on the navajo language..

  • @TheFeralFury You are correct, "Whites" were actually in Euro-Asia and probably immigrated to other places...but let's get something clear first. There is no such thing as a biological race based on the color of one's skin. If people are White in one place it doesn't mean that they are the same "race" or "ethnicity"...Take the Ainu, one could argue they are "White", but that's like saying that Mexicans and Philipinos are the same because they are "Brown".

  • @EndemicEpistemology I agree that there is no such thing as do you, for that would of necessity have to include the possibiity of different species, not races within a species..On that note, just because not all white people are entirely alike doesn't mean that they do not share mutual genetic origins with one another.

  • @TheFeralFury Can we agree that we are all part of the Human Race? we all bleed red. we all have similar biological and physiological similarities.

  • @EndemicEpistemology That we are all human, I can agree with..But not with the rest of your opinions.

  • @TheFeralFury Sorry buddy, but they are not opinions, they are facts based on evidence from linguistic, anthropological, archaeological, historical and oral tradition.

  • @EndemicEpistemology Uh yeahh...That anthropological evidence you speak of..I wonder why so much of it has been destroyed?

  • @TheFeralFury uh yeah...you did know that Linguistics is a branch of Anthropology, right? and that Linguistic evidence is actually growing? anyway, whatever floats yout boat.

  • @TheFeralFury On a similar note, would you disagree that "White" people and "Brown" people share mutual genetic origins with one another? I mean, if you go back far enough, weren't our ancestors brothers?

  • @EndemicEpistemology No I would not disagree..If you go back in time far enough, you will find that before mankind seperated into other races, all were one race.

  • @TheFeralFury That's just the thing though, there are no such thing as "races". Race is a socio-cultural construct, not a biological fact. This comes straight from the AAA (American Anthropological Association) modern definition on the concept of race. As to us being one race, that's all we ever were...even though if you want to get theological, there are actually two races of human beings, the Sons of God and the Sons of Lucifer.

  • @TheFeralFury Mexicans on the other hand were only solely restricted to North America, hence they are Endemic to North America. The mass of our ancestors are buried in North America. The mass of your ancestors are buried in Europe, not Asia, not Africa.

    I know Spanish, do you? Raza, when used in the context of OUR PEOPLE means exactly that, "THE PEOPLE". It's one of those linguistic nuances that Sapir-Whorf would tell you you can't understand unless you speak Spanish.

  • @TheFeralFury We are still here

  • @EndemicEpistemology And so are we..And we will continue to remain here..

  • @TheFeralFury Well...we were here thousands of years ago, we are still here, and I guarantee you we will continue to remain and multiply here in our aboriginal lands.

  • fuck every one els aztan! we are aztlan.

  • ITS AMERICA NOW.

  • Of course, and Aztlan IS in North America!

  • there is no aztlan, just america. things change. trying to bring aztlan back is like bringing the wild west back, it ain't ganna happen. it is very romantazied, but futile.

  • As an invader you don't see Aztlan because it delegitimizes the continued theft of Indigenous resources and land, but in the eyes of the Indigenous, the notion of Aztlan is a truth. Just like Germans can trace their ancestry to certain regions in Europe that still exist today (though have a different name), the same can be said for many Indigenous people, the name may have changed, but the people are still inhabiting and migrating as they have for thousands of years.

  • invader? i'm full mexican, from juarez, lol. and i fully do legitimize aztlan..... but as one of the opposing tribes.

    as per ur vid... many tribes were anit-aztlan, behold me!

    oh, don't get me wrong, i'm very proud of my roots and the places where my/our decendants are in the earth. we are a proud people who keep our oaths... mine was to the constitution of the united states. i do love u as a brother, but america first, period.

    great info and i love ur clarity and presentaion

    5 starz!

  • You don't sound like a Mexican! You sound just like all those Minute Men that are always attacking Mexicans by trying to delegitimize our indigenous roots and our right to be in the land of our forefathers. I too support the US constitution because it was originally based on the Iroquoi Great Law of Peace and because by defending it we will continue to have religious freedom. As a Mexican, Mexico first! Mexicans were here before Americans, so...Mexico first!

  • @EndemicEpistemology yes i am. but i know what u mean about those m men, they are pure racist wrapped in patriotic fakness.

    they are loud but fringe people at best.

    looks like we have differances of opinion.

    well, anyway it was very informitive.

    USA for me.

  • @MrWolf666

    informative huh?  Just what kind of information are you trying to gather?

  • @EndemicEpistemology i love history and my roots, so ur vid helps clear things up even better. there are millions of aztlan blooded people in the u.s.a. that know about aztlan history, but they don't want an aztlan nation. millions have married with whites. so no way an aztlan nation here. i do see why u would want one. u still got beef, ha ha

  • I never said I wanted an Aztlan Nation, those are YOUR words, not mine...as to having beef...well, I got beef with anyone or anything that continues to oppress and colonize my people (all indigenous nations and tribes are my people).

    BTW, on the flip side, millions have married with Mexicans, meaning that the children are also Mexican, in fact, can qualify for Mexican citizenship.

  • true u never said it, but it feels like it, ha ha. as for the oppression... seems they all have the right to say what they want to say, i call that freedom not oppression.

    qualify for mex citzen, true. same point i made, hence no war or aztlan, but a new understandingl

    ps. after the war that is, am i lying? and u are a very magnificant person, at least u got a pair.

    my mother was from durango, can u spell alakranes? i can't

  • USA for you? As a Mexican? The history of the United States of America is one of colonization, genocide, murder, rape, and theft with the excuse of Manifest Destiny as a God given right to conquer from coast to coast, if, as you say, you are an Indigenous Mexican, you are condoning USA actions against your own people in the past and today...what a shame to believe that way.

  • there have been, egyption, cannanite, hittite, persion, greek, hebrew, slaves (slave is the name for the whites that romans used for slaves 800 years, slave = slave), british indigenous, francs by normans, slaves by muslims, muslims by chatolics, jews by chatholics, all dark skins by europeans, arminians, kasacks, nazi's vs. dark skins and ur just more of the same bullshit...... no?

    just kidding... just a moment of insperation

  • BTW, it's not about bringing Aztlan back, everytime a Shoshone, Hopi, Yaqui, Cora, or Huichol walk down an Arizona street, they are walking as descendants of Aztlan, they are walking pieces of Aztlan earth...that is not romantic, that is reality, just like you, you are a walking piece of Europe, we are all from the earth and where the mass of your (or my) ancestors are buried is where our indigenous roots are. Where are the mass of your ancestors buried? In Aztlan or in Europe?

  • damnb,you know your stuff

  • Why, are you confused?

  • In the context of current events: Azlan is the US south west.

    In the context of History, too.

    Isn't clear?

  • I LOVE this video and I am glad you posted it back on! THANK YOU!

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