Magnet Motor Concept ( http://www.musaic.hu )

[janehomeanimator]

ez jó :D

[iDDMZ]

это небудет работать

[Musaic]

3d max and gd (a game engine, ecco the dolphin, etc.)

[EHuelsz]

in wich program is this made??

[RobMonty248]

watch?v=CbwafgU3DJg

Mayan Engine, close to yours.. =)

[transfusablepng]

Free Energy is real and its here! The Oil companies are doing everything in their power to stop these information. If you want a Free energy machine do a search in youtube for the LT MAGNET MOTOR , Join the revolution!

[Narkarina]

one problem I'm not getting answered is how would you be able to control rpm?

[1crazyfocker]

@Narkarina simple, thats because its not a problom, since no one has ever made one that worked (thus does not spin) there is no rpm's to control, but thats a good point if anyone realy did make one that worked there would need to be some sort of rpm govenor so it does not do what the first turbine jet engine did.

[naxps]

I see what you did there...

[StringofBinary]

it wouldn't work properly and your not the first to think of it

[Zxceelxuz]

I don't see how this is ever going to work properly.

[KypHeM]

It will not work and also the magnets wear out and you have to change them.

[pratinus]

@ greenlivingitup . com it shows how to build a free energy device with magnets

[kleenex3000]

This is a typical Pinkerton's Fleckenschreck design! Searl-Rotor permanamometrics are generally from Neodymonium, (which considrably enhances the Casimir effect) and the outer specimens (Perendev stator) the classic Ammonium/Wolframtetroxide amalgam!

[GGAlice1]

what did you just type? lol

[kleenex3000]

You are right, and herewith I apologize, //considErably// contrite, for my mis-spelling.

[GGAlice1]

didn't mean any disrespect just pointing out that this was a mouthful.

[kleenex3000]

Thank you!

Greetings from Germany: The "mouthful" is a new term in my "collection". I like it! As to disrespect I do not mind IF you express it WHEN you had seriously concluded that something or someone has actually deserved it. I don't do no other!!!

[loweylegend]

i have an idear build so every one no ifit will work

[deadz74]

been there done that doesnt work need to shield the magnet field in order to make it work like perendev

[macro820]

It will accelerate until the field gets ahead of its self then slow

[shivrajvishnu]

Good concept. It will not work.

[Najsel]

Won't work because the magnetic field around the fastened magnets stops the axis to spin because the field is like a round sphere around the magnet.

[AccuracyMarked]

Ridiculous...easy to see first lock-up force before it gets to 25 degrees....better designs get the lock-up force to 357 degrees of rotation.

[Patricius88]

push

[simonkain01]

its the same concept of perendev device my dear

you need a lot of shlielding in order to make it run

[Musaic]

The shielding unnecessary.

It's totally different device. SEE!

Use the "fmt=18" tag from first "&" tag in the video's address.

[simonkain01]

do you think its going to work?

can you describe the priciple that make it work?

[Musaic]

See the axis offset.

[techadik1]

Intersting but still its thats hard to get worked I know....

[gg8689]

@simonkain01

!!!! WARNING PERPETUAL ENERGY IS A CONSPIRACY !!!!!

[CarpeMetus]

Will everyone who thought of this in 6-9th grades please stand up?

I went down this path maybe 10 years ago.

Good concept but far better minds than me, maybe even including you have tried and failed.

It's still worth a shot.

I just don't think it will work well.

[3949zxcvbnm]

the off set would cause un even balance

[crazylazystacy]

this wont work it will stay stuck. cause everything is one pole. there is no attraction so the magnets will stay lock because they are being repealed anywhere they move so they stay stationary.

[Musaic]

See thoughtfully

Not just look, see,understand, too!

[sircraigery]

The offset in the axle pushes the center magnets around, however the magnets need to be controlled somehow to allow the shaft to spin.

[dima068]

круто

[Musaic]

и классний :)

[gabydewilde]

nice, :-)

[r123062b]

JUst like the perendev, another idea that will never work.

[joaquinveyron]

It is not even an idea. It is just crap!

[tylerakawings]

yep..

[OrionSamson]

English Please....

[6417893265q784256128]

Works well in 3D !!!

[jathan7710]

Take things as they come. And don't limit yourself.

[msearson1]

According to all known laws of physics a bumblebee can't fly. But the bumblebee doesnt know about these "laws" so it flies anyway. In order to learn we need to experiment and forget what we think that we know. That is how we will discover new technology. It will come in spite of ridicule.

[jahnkeanater]

that wont work that will just act like a break the negative will repulse both the magnet to the left and the right the magnetic field is like a oval and it wont just repulse in a straight direction it will repulse all the magnets 2 the left and right and it will repulse all the magnets next 2 it and get stuck in between 2 magnets

[deathknight51]

wow you guys sure are long winded. perpetual energy is impossible. see how ez that was =)

[yutubesteve]

All I am saying is that yes, in any system, energy is conserved, but it gets moved about about within that equilibrium, i.e. between different forms.

Some objects gain energy of sorts, others loose energy of sorts.

But overall, the total energy is constant.

In my "bucket up the hill" it is I that do the work and loose some energy to the bucket, the bucket gains that energy (as gravitational potential), & total energy is constant.

But a magnet seems to do work without loosing energy ?????

[MasterGhostKnight]

Once again magnetism is not energy, think of it like gravity whit negative and positive atraction. Gravity doesn't run out, and yet the energy must also remain constant, in other words to gain sinetic you will need to lose potential by the same ammount.

[yutubesteve]

The fact is that the magnet did the work - & that is not being replenished - thus a magnet must run out at some point ??

The only way I can see a way out of my dilemma is that when we sepearte the metal from the magnet - then we actually give back that energy to the magnet.

Is this correct ?

Steve.

[MasterGhostKnight]

Not correct, the magnets doesn't run out, nor magnetism is energy. What people tend to forget is the cinetic energy, potential energy and something difrent has USEFULL energy. Because an object is under the influence of a force at a certain potential it has potential energy, once the object moves whitout constrains, the potential energy is reduced and converted into cinetic (motion). continues->

[MasterGhostKnight]

The cinetic energy won is exactly to the potential energy lost, has it is the difrence of potential the consequence of the motion.

When the system is reversed do to the laws of motion, the same aplies in reverse the potential lost is the cinetic gained. Potential energy can be a generic source, either from gravity or magnetic or whatever form you may think of.

One can say, but when I drop a ball and reaches the ground it stops, and so loses potential and cinetic. This statement is incorrect.

[MasterGhostKnight]

What is incorrect is the assumption that the object actualy stops, or has no potential. You may ask, It doesn't? How can that be?

There are other forms of motion, what you didn't know is that heat is in fact subatomical motion that produces the atoms to wable arround in its constrained position. And materials do heat when forces are aplyed, altough that phenomena is not very observable sense the specific heat has a high value and so producing a very small change in the temperature. continues>

[MasterGhostKnight]

Another, concept that also people forget is the Usefull energy. Wich is the quantity of energy that can be manipulated to produce an intentinal work, such has to turn a machin, pump water or watever. Altough heat is a very good way to store energy, it is not very usefull, and not all of the heat can be used to produce work. While elevated weights, electrical capacitors and other sorts of devices have low storing capability but can be almost totaly used to produce work.

[yutubesteve]

So what about a magnet :

I bring metal close & the magnet draws in the metal. The magnet DOES THE WORK to draw in the metal. OK - I agree, when we seperate them we need to do more work & this cancels out the work the magnet did - but that is in an overall sense i.e. in the Cons. of Energy -overall the system energy is conserved.

... see next post.

[blip789]

These machines can't run indefinately, it would be a miracle if they did, there's a price to pay and that's the depletion of the magnetic field strenght as the energy is drawn off. I wish I could do the trick with the bread..save a small fortune on the shopping bill. Good to chat!

[adamslurch71]

WOW your a total moron, not one post made actually said anything intelligent, try going to school and taking a few classes on the matter of magnetics, cause thermodynamics has nothing to do with the laws of magnetism you fool and again what the hell is all this you need to know a higher level of math crap, your a tool and need to stop talking, but before you try going to school do us all a favor and get hooked on phonics please its hard as shit to try and figure out what your trying to say.

[MasterGhostKnight]

Thermodynamics has to do whit the flow of energy, how is it converted, either magneticaly, graviticaly, electricaly or whatever form you may think of.

[MasterGhostKnight]

Ps. I'm an engineer, whatever you think you may know I have already dealed whit them, beat it up, trashed it and recicled has fire lighters.

Befor you try to feed people whit your kind of crap, make sure you know more then them. Cause to me you can put your head between your legs and shove up your ass because it is all bullshit.

[cyberJamilonc]

wow, exactly the speech of an engineer, and even if u r, nothing is impossible, appreciate life, stop trashing it.

[MasterGhostKnight]

Actualy the world is the way it is because mostly everything is impossible. You can't make an omlet whitout eggs, unless something pushes you will not move forward, nuclar bombs don't go of unless a reaction is trigered.

So you see, most of what is in the universe is in fact impossible.

[brokencollaboration]

what a sad and pathetic life you must have... i feel sorry for you

[MasterGhostKnight]

What a stupid and ignorant life you must have... i feel sorry for you

[legox50]

@MasterGhostKnight You don't have to make him feel bad! Its not like you can do better!

[razorblade7700]

if nothing is impossible, than it would be impossible for an act to be impossible.

[cyberJamilonc]

Ur logic is wrong, its not that everything is impossible but that everything is POSSIBLE. The nuclear reaction is possible, life, the omelet, everything is possible, but u need the knowledge and the will to do it and yes, everything is possible. The word impossible was made by man, who is not perfect by the way, so that he can describe something which he can't understand or know, for the moment. I'm a dentist, and I know that many diseases r not treatable RIGHT NOW,but everything has a solution.

[MasterGhostKnight]

Being nothing the negative of everything, the above statement would be absolutly correct.

If everything is Possible, then nothing is impossible, than it would be impossible to be impossible. And because we where forced to go wrong, the statement "Everything is possible" is proven incorrect.

[Delcimetro]

O que tb n podes esquecer é que acima de tudo (ou talvez abaixo, na base) todas as "tuas" formulas (leis/teorias) se baseiam no paradigma cientifico actual. No paradigma galilaico, muita da tecnologia actual era impossível, e no paradigma aristotélico nem se fala.

N estou a discutir se tudo é possivel ou n, so garanto que n é um conjunto de formulas, todas de um paradigma (cada vez mais inseguro) que garantem esse possibilidade/impossibilidade.

Pq existe entropia?

[MasterGhostKnight]

O que é Galileu ou Aristoteles têm haver com seja lá o que fore?

Essa conversa de paradigma cientifico actual só pode vir invariavelmente de quem não tem qualquer conhecimento de como é a ciencia funciona. (Agora vais lá tu adivinhar porquê que eu sei qe não percebes nada do assunto).

Entropia existe porque é uma implicação directa de os estados energeticos se alterarem.

Os aviões voam e os carros andam, não porque nos apeteceu pensar que tal acontece sem ter razão.

[Delcimetro]

As catapultas tb sempre funcionaram...

Quanto ao tu perceberes que eu não percebo nada de ciência, é exactamente como toda a gente "via" que era o sol que andava em torno da terra.

O que se passa é que tas fechado dentro do teu proprio campo conceptual. Tenta perceber um pouco mais de ciência para além das formulas e leis, e estuda os fundamentos. -->

[Delcimetro]

(Poper;Bacon; e lê particularmente Hume que não é fundador mas critico) e depois vem-me falar de métodos científicos. Já agora, achas que a ciência é indutiva ou dedutiva?

Ha!; não há necessidade para ataque pessoal. Isso fica bastante mal para uma pessoa que puxa dos galardões académicos para se defender.

[MasterGhostKnight]

Ok, és um completo atrasado mental.

Desde quando é que existiu uma ciência exacta que dizia que o sol anda á volta da terra ou vice-versa?

Acabas-te de cometer o erro de confundir o método científico com crendices populares.

Não existe uma limite inviolável ao qual devo me manter o campo de estudo para as coisas funcionarem só porque sim ou por coincidência. Se alguém disser o contrario, podes confiar que é um aldrabão.

[Delcimetro]

OK, tou a ver que discutir ciência contigo e com um gato vai dar ao mesmo.

Fica lá fechado no teu mundinho de certezas. (e a saber que as "certezas cientificas têm 400 anos e as "certezas cristas" tiveram uns 1600 ;) )

... se feliz

[MasterGhostKnight]

Eu sou sou um engenheiro, este tipo de coisas eu o que eu fasso da minha vida. O que é um bandamerdas como tu pensa que sabe mais do que quem?

[Delcimetro]

*Faço (não fasso).

Caro senhor, usar de títulos não lhe adianta numa discussão argumentativa (já nem comento os insultos que em nada dignifica a qualidade de engenheiro).

Se desconhece do que falo, procure sabe-lo e depois, até me pode ignorar, mas pelo menos haverá menos uma pessoa mal informada. Se acha que estou apenas a quer irrita-lo escrevendo um conjunto de barbaridades (não obstante a estar a consegui-lo), ignore-me a mesma.

[frankensteinmoneymac]

If everything is possible then it would be possible to make anti-gravity with a toothpick and a pig kidney. Somehow I'm going to go out on a limb and say that it is impossible to make an antigravity device simply by combining those two items. Perhaps God could do it but I bet he would cheat somehow. There are even things impossible for God. God could not create a rock so heavy he could not lift it. And If he could he would be proving another impossibility (i.e. lift the rock).

[cyberJamilonc]

Oh, and one more thing u "ENGINEER", ur language and reasoning is not one of an intellectual, u don't seam mature, stop insulting ppl and please stop lying about what you are. U never tested these experiments, u never saw them before, u just like to talk trash on the internet. Enough said.

[MasterGhostKnight]

You can talk to me on Technical Superior Institute in Portugal If you are willing to visit me and check out if I'm real or not. And yes I have seen and tested the experiments, and no they don't work.

[cyberJamilonc]

Still think ur a fake. I can c u know something about this but it doese work, partially, nothing new ever works like a charm when its still an experiment. But ur limited, u don't believe in new things, that's why I don't believe ur real. C u.

[MasterGhostKnight]

New things are allways welcome, it is not like I wished that this stuff worked. The problem is we proved that it doesn't. It will never work, no matter what you do or how hard you try. Even if every single possible technology sudently became available to us it would still be impossible.

It realy deosn't matter of what you think, you can't ignore the facts.

[lotusiotus]

lol shut the fuck up assholes its an animation. besides this stuff is cool but if its used in cars noone will buy it. Theres need to be a put put noise comming from that exaust pipe for hottrodders and oil companies

[MasterGhostKnight]

Are you mentally chalenged?

Or just down right stupid?

[MasterGhostKnight]

If you are thinking that this doesn't work, You got it right. It won't work because such thing would violates the first law of thermodinamics and the thing also knowned has conservation of energy principle. In short it says that it is impossible to exist a mechanism that runs indefinitively that produces output of energy whitout any sort of imput. And this is valid for how hard you try or whatever you do.

[ParapaDrifter]

yes yes, we know all about that law, thanks for the science lesson troll.

[MasterGhostKnight]

It sux but it is truth, so suck it up.

[ParapaDrifter]

ok... it takes energy to pull something. A magnet in close proximity of metal will pull it toward itself. Where does the energy to do this come from? Please keep the answer simple as I am ...simple.

[MasterGhostKnight]

Potential energy inerent from magnetic field. It like an aple falling to the ground but instead of gravity apples and ground its magnetism and magnets.

The said example is equivalent to saying that he threw a rock from the top of the everest and it endedup naturaly on top again whitout anyone pulling it up.

[ParapaDrifter]

But, it can be said that magnetism is much more versatile than gravity. We can manipulate magnetism, induce and shut it off. Can we do that with gravity?

Could you try another analogy?

[MasterGhostKnight]

Actualy not so much has you think, altough we can manipulate it, twist it, shield it, we can not do the impossible. To show you what I mean, you would requier a level in mathematics that is more advanced then what is normaly available for none scientifical education (and yet still not so complex math). I can make an analogy if you like, but that realy ain't going to prove anything, all I can do is try to give you an example what this math tells me in a more sensible way.

[MasterGhostKnight]

The field has in magnetic is in fact a mathematical term, and the work done by a force is its projection on the traveled distance.

To acount the work suplied by the system we use a line interger arround whatever path you chose (which is the mathematical way of acounting). Now in math, a closed interger loop of a field is allways null. Which means you get nothing.

Its like you on a moutain and energy is the diference of altitude from start and finish, if the finish place is also the start..

[MasterGhostKnight]

It was not necessary to go trough the magnetism. The first law of thermodynamics would be suficient (and stronger), if a point has a potential energy and another point has a diferent potential energy, what you gain is the diference of quatity of said potential. If the start is also end, the diference is null and so you get nothing. And because not all the energy will go to move the wheel (useful), but also heats up the air that goes away, in the end you are in fact losing energy to the air.

[blip789]

Am I correct in saying that nobody knows what magnetism is? We can measure it's effects; it's strenghts and it's field; all against standards developed for the purpose.

Is it a flow of electrons; protons or neutrons?

A neodymium magnet will attract ferrous material towards it with incredible force and it is this initial attraction that so many people are trying to harness. If the field could be neutralised before impact there would be a lot of useful kinetic energy to play with.

[MasterGhostKnight]

1. No, optics and electromagnestism is a well knowned science.

2. The flow is of neither, its just a potential associated whit the location.

3. It doesn't matter how many force it has. When you force the system back in order to restart the cicle, you will have to use all the energy you have gained just to put it back. And sense the world isn't perfect you will be also losing energy on heating the air and to the joule effect on circuits. So basicaly you just lose energy ALLWAYS.

[blip789]

Thanks for reply. The magnetic field that is present when electricity flows through a wire is only their while electricity is flowing and decays instantly when turned off. A permanent magnet requires no outside inflence to maintain it's field. Lets suppose that this magnetism is a type of energy stored within the materials matrix.You can't deny that it will attract a ferrous body towards it, which requires energy. I agree that to seperate them would cancel out any energy gain.(2nd post required)

[MasterGhostKnight]

You are confusing energy whit force, Sure it has some energy associated whit the arrangement of the bipoles, but that's it.

[blip789]

instead of using the above attraction we could use magnetic repulsion of like poles. this can only be done with a rotorary arrangement as with the perendez drive. Three rotors with it's outer edge of all the same pole running inside a stator of the same pole. Each rotor offset by a few degrees to produce a phase shift in its field like an electric motor. Each magnet offset axially to face it's stator partner similarily offset and govern the direction of rotation. The magnets die as energy used??

[MasterGhostKnight]

It doesn't matter if it is atraction of repulsion, the energy balance is the same Null. Neither doesn't it matter if you rotate or not, the magnetic field is allways a field. Field is a mathematical concept, the closed interger need to calculte the energy balance on a field is allways null.

In fact it doesn't realy matter what you do or how hard you try, even if every possible technology the man could ever create was sundently made available to us, you will never get more energy then you have

[MasterGhostKnight]

Saying that a machin runs indefinitively producing more energy then what it gets, is the same has saying that I have a loaf of bread and if I wigle it arround some way I get more bread. Unfortunatly Jesus is haging out whit God and I don't belive you could pull out that miracle.

[blip789]

I agree with you that energy can neither be created or destroyed. What I am proposing is that this magnetism is a type of energy in itself. These machines are drawing off this energy and converting it into kinetic energy. The end result to the magnet would be to deplete it of all residual magnetism and it would no longer have any magnetic property left and a fresh set of magnets would have to be used, rather like a battery.

No magical creation of energy just a new source....neodymium.

[MasterGhostKnight]

Magnetism isn't energy of anykind, it's a force at most. Permanent magnets do not "deplet" in usefull time, even if they did that would´n't make much difrence you would still get nothing because magnetism IS NOT ENERGY.

[yutubesteve]

Please explain further ::

The way I see it is this :

I do work carrying a bucket up a hill; at the end that bucket has extra potential energy (due to gravity) - but it is I who caused this & I must replace my lost energy (eat) to replace the energy that I used in giving the bucket it's potential energy.

.... see next post.

[MasterGhostKnight]

Explained bellow.

[yutubesteve]

In the Cons of Energy sense YES, energy is conserved - OVERALL, within the whole system ... the chemical energy I get from the food I eat has been translated to potential energy in the bucket at the top of the hill.

BUT I STILL NEED TO EAT as I have done the work & need to replace MY ENERGY.

... see next post.

[vzon17]

Those laws only apply to closed systems. So your argument has not validity.

[MasterGhostKnight]

Wrong! You don't know what a closed system is, or how thermodinamics deals whit that.

Put your machin charging a batery for instance, and make your system the box in which bouth are contained. Thus acounting the energy in the batery and in the machin, sense the machin itself is null then also the batery is null. It looks like a difrent analysis to the problem, but in fact ITS THE SAME. Instead of dealing whit what goes in and out of the system, is whats goes in or out of the machin. IDIOT!

[KnightChatX]

You've almost got it, off to a very good start, also remember you can shield 1 side of a magnet or part of it to eliminate it's field effect so the magnetic field can be better focused. The concept of angling the magnets is correct. Alot of the problems with rotation stopping or speed not holding it because of the stepper stopping action related to the angle of the magnets being flat rather than angled. Magnets constant force can be used in a way with magnets matching the same angle.

[crealster]

Sorry to crush it, but tested and wont work cause side to side + and - field is stronger than the front to front - - or front to front + +. hope you understand.

[RyuDarragh]

Permanent magnets are composed of a myriad of superconducting loops on the faces of the crystals. It takes energy to establish the fields (notice both superconductors and permanent magnets are subject to a "Curie" point and will retain a magnetic field if an imposing field is present when they cool below the Curie point). Energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transformed. What is being transformed ? A small loop of electrical energy ?

[Gplex]

That wont work...

[smilingjackl]

I think its to soon to say that, sure it probably won't work but I would like to see it built and tested first before crushing someones idea.

[Gplex]

I tryed it doesnt work.

[xaramano]

build it!

[zaphraud]

LOL.

[ewmegoolies]

build it, it will problably work

[yoooTwoob]

does this mean that u have to apply less battery power?

[Musaic]

it doesn't require batteries, the magnet's power operates it

[1higherground]

....not by itself...but intoduce some battery power and you will be amazed.............

[1higherground]

"intRoduce"

[0903390901]

theoretically engine

[Rotitomato]

Nice job! Although, in real life the magnets could not complete a circle because the fields overlap and cancel out. It would work with electricity applied to it. The rotation is right on.

[ombolobmo]

hmmm...it might not work

[Musaic]

No.

Visit my prevoius post.

[R3natu]

will it work without the Offset axis?

[Musaic]

Offset axis makes important assimmetry. Just SEE. :)

[Meddlmoe]

lol, an offset rotation will change EVERYTHING. what is this supposed to do?

[AlphaFiveDelta]

Interesting concept, never would have thought to offset the rotor in that fashion

[timgebhart]

love the graphics great job will you do mine

[DIGIBOYTV]

yup