both versions of this band had one constant. John Mc Laughlin. Both bands were awesome musicians that produced some of the best music ever heard. Now sit back and enjoy the quality musicianship these guys displayed.
@allennine1 The goddamned chorus effect added to the guitar is specifically what I'm talking about. Ewwwwww. The previous Mahavishnu albums are all extremely good.
This is really a magnificent music played by people who know what they are doing. I was in college a friend had a recording of this from a concert. In that show something happened because the interaction between John and Ralph that starts at 2:16 - 2:50 became a thing unto itself. They were clearly in a zone. You could hear Mr. Walden almost start to play, before he realized that something was up. If there is a god then for bout ten minutes John and Ralph were his voice.
I saw this line-up when they played in Auckland, New Zealand in 1975.
To this day it is one of the most memorable, jaw-dropping amazing concerts I have ever experienced! ....Happy birthday Jean-Luc. Born 29 September 1942.
I think its really odd that many of the fans of the original Mahavishnu Orchestra did not like this incarnation of them. I really don't understand that. THis band had as much originality and fire in it as the original, and then some just because of players like Jean Luc Ponty, Ralph Armstrong, and Michael Walden, being added to the mix. Michael Walden is AWESOME. Why he chose to go and become Whitney Houston's producer is his business.
@lorioftheforest I like the the originality of the original orchestra as I find it is more interesting than the polish of the later orchestras. More innovative, more avant guard, more challenging. In fact I think John lost his way creatively in favor of polish. But what do I know? He's a giant any way one looks at it. I've gone on to become interested in tuning. Listen to Wendy Carlos' "Beauty in the Beast"... astounding.
@cordedpoodle Cmon Coordedpoodle. How can you say that? Both incarnations of this band redefined originality. No one that I know of ever comes anywhere close to either band. Please, do me and yourself a huge favor...When you have a moment or so to yourself, plug yourself into some headphones and listen again to Visions of the Emerald beyond. This is a very sophisticated music. Its not a matter of polish, both bands were polished. Its a matter of power grace and beauty.
Sri Chinmoy had many notable students. Devadip (the spiritual names given to them by Sri Chinmoy) Carlos Santana, Mahavishnu John McLaughlin, Narada Michael Walden -- and I can't remember the name given to ChicK Corea. Or was it Herbie Hancock. One of those alliteratively-named '70's keyboardists.
Why was it so "special" to have some Indian retard Sri Chinmoy call somebody a Devadip telling our musicians how to "progress?" Are u kidding me? Those idiots in India barely make it day-to-day. "Devadip" John McLaughlin made it any day of my life. He's always (besides Mahavishnu Orchestra) been there to lift our spirits.
@MultiSonny57 drums are so high in the mix its absolute nirvana for any drummer who wants to really hear the mighty michael walden in his prime,,,listen to Jeff beck wired also
@Janitor989 Exactly. In Lila's Dance, yes, because the intro guitar part is a REPETITIOUS PATTERN where the 8ths are consistently grouped 5-5-4-3-3. Try counting it out loud. In Port of Entry, no, because even though Jaco's solo certainly uses some rhythmic patterns/sequences, they aren't repetitious from one measure to the next. Time signatures are very flexible things. Don Ellis (1970's) even wrote a song in something like 3 2/3 over 4 time - I may not have that one quite right.
@namtil you still haven't given me a real reason why anyone in their right mind would do that. it makes no sense whatsoever and it overly complicates things in a completely unnecessary fashion. Time signatures change through out songs.. it happens all the time.. you do NOT just add them all up and call it something stupid like what you're doing now.
@Janitor989 This band's preoccupation with time signatures comes from an Indian tradition. Not Western! This is where McLaughlin was fusing not just rock and jazz, but Indian music as well. However, the juxtapositions are as much a part of western counterpoint as anything Eastern. You don't have to like it though, but you must admit is a unique contribution to music.
@randychancemusic don't have to like it? Do ANY of you have the slightest clue what you're talking about? YOU DO NOT TIME SIG AN ENTIRE SONG ON WHAT THE GUITAR IS DOING.. MY GOD.
and I LOVE Mahavishnu.. this is my favorite song by them.. ...and it's in 5. get over it.
@randychancemusic Not unique but rare and they did it well. The Grateful Dead were also experimenting with time signatures early. Estimated Prophet is in 13/4 I think. I love both bands. This Album for many of us early JM heads was weak. In fact JM never really topped the original Mahvishunu Orchestra IMHO. No one did. Best shows I ever saw, in like 1971 and my friends say they were even more astounding before my first show.
@cordedpoodle Thanks for the reintroduction to the Grateful Dead! I haven't listened to them very much, and I really enjoyed Estimated Prophet. For what it's worth, the song is in 7/4 (3+4).
@Janitor989 You're absolutely right. However, in the konnakol system the GROUPINGS (ie. 5-5-4-3-3), not the underlying pulse (what you hear as 5/4), can determine the rhythmic structure/time signature. The end result sounds the same, but using konnakol, you can break down long, complex rhythms into smaller units. It also means that you're not locked into playing (ie) 4 groups of 4 16th notes in 4/4 time (4-4-4-4). It could be 5-5-3-3, or any other pattern. It just has to add to 16 16ths.
@namtil the guitar riff is 2 measures of 5/4.. you're just making it overly complex and it's not how things are put together. John's PHRASE might be all long and whatever but y'know.. it's just 5/4.
@Janitor989 For fun, check out the 6/4 measure in Iron Maiden's "Number of the Beast". It breaks down as 3-3-3-3-2-2 (all 8th notes). They're probably not using konnakol to come up with this; it just sounds interesting and good, and is reasonably easy to hear and play once you do it a couple times. Same idea, though. Cheers,
@Janitor989 So, 20/8 can't exist - why? Because you say it can't? So good to know that I've finally found the arbiter of all musical knowledge. And you even create your own musical verbs. Soon conservatories the world over will be teaching their students how to "sig" a piece of music.
my dog was born at 4:30am... I was listening to this song at the time... ..she popped out right when Narada slams the tons and the screaming guitar starts... ..her name is Lila.
Wow. Hearing this brings tears to my eyes. Long ago memories of my teen years and the beautiful long haired boy that introduced me to Mahavishnu Orchestra; Jean Luc Ponty; Chick Corea.. showing me there was more to music than AM top 40. The best education ever.
...between his amazing innovations with music he wrote for the Mahavishnu Orchestra, his shear improvisational skills on both acoustic and electric guitar, his innovative construction of a special guitar/sitar for the music of Shakti, and his work on some of the most groundbreaking albums ever recorded...who compares to John McLaughlin!
...I mean really, how many musicians has Miles Davis named a song after.
I would bet that the time structure came out of John's study of "konnakol". Check out his (and other's) videos on the subject and you'll see what I mean. And yes, everything adds up to 20 eighth notes per measure. The cool thing is that the opening section uses 5-5-4-3-3, the blowing (2:50) uses 3-3-3-3-3-3-2, and the two are COMBINED at about 4:20. Very smart stuff and a great piece of music.
@Janitor989 Yes, in a way you're correct; 20 is a multiple of 5. However, if you follow the guitar accompaniment as eighth notes, rather than quarters, the result is the pattern I mentioned (5-5-4-3-3). This is confirmed by my copy of the MO scores (Warner Bros., 1976). Using a large number of subdivisions per measure allows the composer to play with different combinations and, in this case, superimpose two different ones as the piece ends (the second being 3-3-3-3-3-3-2). Respectfully yours.
@Janitor989 It's how John McLaughlin wrote this song. Again, in general you're correct. Most Western/North American composition deals with note groupings of 2, 3, and 4 within one beat. Traditional East Indian music commonly uses groups of 5's, stringing them together with other groupings. The result is a much more fluid sense of pulse that is based on vocal syllables. This concept is a major influence on John McLaughlin and one of the things that makes Mahavishnu such a unique-sounding band.
@namtil well.. y'know.. this is my favorite Mahavishnu song period.. I've listened to it 1000s of times. If you've got some kind of documentation linked I'd love to read it.. ..but myself and my drum teacher went over it. The signature might change here and there, but it's in 5.. there's a part that might be in 7.. but the majority of the song is in 5. Time sig is figured by the drums. ..but really if you've got something to link I can read I'd love to see it.
@Janitor989 The book is "John McLaughlin and the Mahavishnu Orchestra" (1976 Warner-Tamerlane Publishing Corp. & Chinmoy Music, Inc.). I've had it since it was released and it's likely out of print. You can see a guitar lesson here on YT entitled "Lila's Dance Mahavishnu Orchestra Part One Play it RIGHT". If you can give me some way to email you a photo or two (of pages from the book) at least you'll see that I'm not imagining a time signature of 20/8. Also, check "konnakol". Regards,
@Janitor989 Out of curiosity I just looked and found that the book is still in print. I'd suggest that you buy it, because it includes drum parts in a "mini score" format. Selections are from Inner Mounting, Birds of Fire, and Visions. Later,
@gebass6 I love the song is all peaceful in the begining.Then this crash of guitar howling and shredding happens! Like a storm rolling in on a sunny day. Then just as fast it goes away and back to peacefulness. Just like texas weather. Love it.
Have just uploaded our version of this going into Dance of Maya (audio only) recorded on ther 15th January in a bar in Liverpool UK. If you get a chance give it a listen. Any constructive criticism will be appreciated. Thanks
When I was 16, I was in a band in Detroit. Ralph Armstrong had just graduated from High school (Northwestern I believe in Detroit) and got picked up by Jon. About 2 months later I was fortunate to see them practice for a concert in Detroit at Cobo Hall. It was one of the most amazing practices I ever witnessed. I knew I was in the presence of music greatness. Never will forget that!!!!!!
When I was 16, I was in a band in Detroit. Ralph Armstrong had just graduated from High school (Northwestern I believe in Detroit) and got picked up by Jon. About 2 months later I was fortunate to see them practice for a concert in Detroit at Cobo Hall. It was one of the most amazing practices I ever witnessed. I knew I was in the presence of music greatness. Never will forget that!!!!!!
I bought his album when I was about 16 years old. Saw them perform it live at the University of New Mexico. looking back now I realize I was listening to some of the most innovative and creative electric/jazz/fusion/eastern/rock music ever written or played. I saw John play last week in Santa Fe. Still a totally humble and creative guy. Completed the circle almost 40 years later. I am so lucky to have this music be part of my growing up.
I think I've got it. It's in 7/4. What threw me off is that what I though was "one" was actually the last note of a triplet on the 7th beat that anticipates the "one". I saw a video where John explains this approach on "You Know You Know", which is in 12/4.
Just start counting on 1 when John sets the beat at 2:15. It was fun trying to figure it out.
Ralphe's bass really kicks a** at 2:20. It's a line that has always stuck with me through the years. Funky fretless line with an odd time signature. Can anyone tell me what the time signature is at 2:20? I can't seem to figure it out. Imagine if Ralpe was in the first version of the M.O.? He'a great player.
@ocean4315 Baffling and I am a music major! I feel there are some awesome odd (compound) meters going on, perhaps 2-3 in succession. I find something like 4/4 time signature in the beginning of the measure and perhaps a quick and unevenly grouped 8/8. It's the latter half of the measure that throws a person. Listen to the bass drum, he starts kicking in 8th notes which helps you count. The beginning and end are in 5/4 time. Scores are available, but are probably watered down for easiness.
@MorlockRush2112 Then again, I just looked at the live version and it could be 5/4 with a 2/4. There just seems to be an extra half "beat" that is hard to account for. Look at how the musicians count it out with their feet. It is definitely odd meter at it's best. And the syncopation is what drives it. I like the original recording and how he marries the two meters/ rythyms together towards the end. (around 4:26) If someone has the score. please let us know the correct times sigs. Thanks
@MorlockRush2112 According to the scores I have - can't remember atm where they're from - the intro and outro are 14/8, the bridges (similar to the intro) are two bars of 14/8 + one bar of 7/8, while the rest of the song is notated in 20/8. Quite a ways from 4/4, 5/4 and even 7/4 (particularly the groupings).
@ocean4315 The time signature in most of the song, including the guitar solo from ~2:20, is 20/8.
@MorlockRush2112 what ever the tme signature is seems to be way beyond my smallbrain to understand I just know these guys were on another level of muscianship that i will never be...
@westrokker The opening guitar part is in 20/8, counted as 1,2,3,4,5. 1,2,3,4,5. 1,2,3,4. 1,2,3. 1,2,3. The next one is in counted throughout as 1. 1,2. 1,2,3. That's all I've learned so far...sure is fun to play.
such synergy, musicianship, energy and depth that no band will ever come close to. I didn't think that was possible after listening to King Crimson...
@rexasul You're right, KC are truly 'best 'o the best', unless you include the"M O" ! Which, if you research it and study Musical Theory, you'll CLEARLY see that the Mahavishnu Orchestra was where music almost interceded with another dimension.
The hairs on the back of my neck stand up every time i hear this track,the level of musician ship is outstanding,the lead break makes me think of a big american car cruising down the high way and then all of a sudden you kick it in to 1st gear and tack off.....well some thing like that.I'm on to my 3rd copy on vinal now,maybe one day i might buy the cd.
Keith Richards is #10 on the Rolling Stone list of greatest guitarists...John at #49?? Who the hell did these polls?? Keith Richards couldn't clean the sweat off of JM's guitar strap...I love the Stones, don't get me wrong but really !!!
@clyde8her And I bet Cobain was above JM also. Remember, the poll was conducted by the RS. It is my belief that probably over 80% NEVER heard of JM, so for him to score even that high is amazing.
@clyde8her Excellent point Clyde... But to clarify, it's not always about technical mastery. For instance, Dave Gilmour (Pink Floyd) was awarded greatest guitar solo in history by his peers because he plays with a lyrical expression and clarity unmatched by anyone (McGlaughlin included); yet DG could not touch JM's technical mastery! ...g
I seen these guys on TV ONCE; YEARS AGO and never was able to find anything on them after that...
This was a random find indeed!
No one should not know about this band!!!
Grew up in an extremelly musical house hold of a piano teacher/voice coach mum, and have heard practically everything under the sun as my appetite for music has always been voracious... But this... This is clearly the reason music was invented in the first place... We had to spend thousands of years workin on it.
@clyde8her I couldn't agree more. Who the hell made that list you speak of? Some troll who told M. Jackson to name his "Blanket"? Lord what is this world coming to with all these "know-it-all" idiots running around!
yes narada mike walden was the bomb later he was producing disco music. this vesion of mo i think was the excess of john tho good i think he tried to take to it too far. dont think he was getting along with the original members of m. o. and john luc was quoted as saying after awhile he couldnt stand being on the same stage with john m. by the way in some old dictionarys if you look up the violin john lucs picture is next to it from some university!
Yeah, I totally agree with the commentor below, this lineup, and album production is far superior than the first two records. Bump what the critics say.
@vbfl920 There was an album ("Apocalypse") after MO I disbanded " before "Visions...". What's your opinion of it? While you agree to a certain degree with JM, I always preferred the FIRST MO by FAR, hands down. I saw them live (always from the 1st row) three times and THIS line-up once. For me, NO comparison.
Love this flipping song. That solo rips so hard for 1975! Gaw, I wonder what he was using to get that screaming tone. I hate his guitar sound on the first two records. It was way too bland sounding. But this really nails it!
What Mclaughlin does with the guitar on this song is mind-blowing. One of thee best rock guitar solos you'll ever hear. The guy is simply a genius. If you're a first-time listener, buckle your seatbelt; this song is a trip!
@worldtalker Yep he lets rip here.Saw this line up at The Fairfield Halls in Croydon with the string quartet. Jean luc Ponty & Mclaughlin did a bit of Claptons Layla intro really fast...And Walden was very good..and young at the time too. Buckle yr seatbelt indeed!!
I know the critic's choice usually goes for the earlier line-up but for me this album was always the best-perhaps not as awesome solo wise but just so strong conceptually. I love having it all on a CD and just listening to all of it in one stream-each track just leads into the other so well.
Innovation + technical brilliance = superior music. Contrast this level of composition with today's standards in popular music: man o man, it makes me wonder what the next era of decomposition will bring. But hey, we had our hay day, and its preserved for posterity. And hopefully, someone will be inspired to take up the banner of Return To Forever and Mahavishnu Orchestra, etc. and take it to the next level of good taste, technical brilliance and innovation.
Narada Michael Walden on drums. This incarnation of the Mahavishnu seemed more relaxed (is that possible fo Mahavishnu?). But I must say they did have some great compositions that actually got played on jazz radio here in Chicago back in the seventes and 80. I admire ALL the music Mahavishnu Ochestra has created
I saw John and the orchestra live in Austin, Texas at the Paramount Theater in the late 70's... I know! I was on the FIRST ROW CENTER!! It felt intimate and personal and was an evening like no other. A powerful journey that changed the way I knew music. (from a professional musician since the age of 5) - JEALOUS, HUH?
I was born and raised in the "classical tradition", including music, literature, and such, and as my teen years encompassed the decade of the 1960's my training in classical music, including the discovery of 12-tone and serial music, all helped me to grasp the complex rhythms and harmonies expressed the 1st 2 (maybe 3) Mahavishnu Orchestra LPs. I got to see them "live" once. Most of my friends at that time were into prog rock yet they didn't really get what the M.O. was about..
@eurisko618 I believe Mahavishnu had a myriad of fans that loved the music without having to know what the twelve tone system is. Music can be approached from another level altogether, including brilliant musicians that cannot read a note.
@jsilence418 I didn't mean to imply that knowledge of "12-tone" composition or other complex music was needed to appreciate M.O.. I was suggesting that many of MY friends took a bit longer to appreciate them. And I don't believe there's any "12-tone" rows, etc in their music. What plays a BIG part in their (1st -3rd) albums is complex rhythm, intonation, harmony and the intense virtuosity the group had as a whole. No one had done anything quite like it before. I saw them live - way too loud :-)
@jsilence418 what is the 12 tone? I'm a jazz fan and at the moment I'm all for Weather Report, Return To Forever and Mahavishnu Orchestra... Was just wondering what a 12 tone is....
@5oulPower I,m sure it can be accessed online, and this isn't a textbook answer, but I believe it is a method of classical composition that uses all 12 tones in the scale, where they are all used. I would guess it would be difficult to establish a key center and that's why some of the music I've heard like, Alban Berg, or Arnold Schonberg sounds a tonal!
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Careful you don't catch invaginitis...more scholastic torture plus you get 3 free hits! i would rather listen to "Careful with that ax Eugene" by Pink Floyd a classic.
Excuse me gentlemen, i was unaware that music was competative; the validity surely is not quantified by the number of 'hits', rather what the music actually says is subjective to the listeners mood. The populus argument invaginates, jazz has hardly ever been as mainstream as rock or pop, nor does poplularity guarantee intrinsic value in any genre. ENOUGH, just let the music talk.
Is that Brian Forster on drums ?
moogkorg 1 week ago
Really original and wonderful stuff. No one seems to be this creative anymore.
Atomblaster5 2 weeks ago in playlist Favorite videos
Невероятно красивая музыка, звуки самого Космоса !
adilgazy 2 weeks ago
Reel tape flange on John's guitar.
progrocker9 1 month ago
This is FUCKING beautiful.
snakeweirdo 2 months ago
both versions of this band had one constant. John Mc Laughlin. Both bands were awesome musicians that produced some of the best music ever heard. Now sit back and enjoy the quality musicianship these guys displayed.
allennine1 2 months ago 2
The musicianship of M.O. was well above the norm in the 70s (which is saying something) and light years beyond anything being done today.
sweetsweatyfeet 3 months ago
I can't listen to this, it sounds too much like Rush. not trolling lol
Tengent 3 months ago
@Tengent Fair enough :) but to be fair it was out a year after Rush's first album which didn't sound loads like this.
Lallen785 3 months ago
@Tengent Yea the horns, the violins are almost carbon copy rush. lol
Baxter Ear Clinic, I made the appointment for you.
allennine1 1 month ago
@allennine1 The goddamned chorus effect added to the guitar is specifically what I'm talking about. Ewwwwww. The previous Mahavishnu albums are all extremely good.
Tengent 1 month ago
@Tengent Good to see you have a great sense of humor. Now go and have yourself a very merry christmas. One love to everybody.
allennine1 1 month ago
This is really a magnificent music played by people who know what they are doing. I was in college a friend had a recording of this from a concert. In that show something happened because the interaction between John and Ralph that starts at 2:16 - 2:50 became a thing unto itself. They were clearly in a zone. You could hear Mr. Walden almost start to play, before he realized that something was up. If there is a god then for bout ten minutes John and Ralph were his voice.
lorioftheforest 3 months ago
Saw McLaughlin again when he toured NZ a few years ago with Chick Corea and the Five Peace Band. Genius.
Bongoplonk 4 months ago
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Bongoplonk 4 months ago
I saw this line-up when they played in Auckland, New Zealand in 1975.
To this day it is one of the most memorable, jaw-dropping amazing concerts I have ever experienced! ....Happy birthday Jean-Luc. Born 29 September 1942.
Bongoplonk 4 months ago
Man this is some great music. This reminds me of Camel. That is an excellent comparison. :) If you like this you ought to check out Camel.
Stay positive and keep loving music \nn/
blister1324 4 months ago
I just really really love when Jean Luc Ponty adds disrtortion to his sound, the violin sounds so incredibly amazing.
If i'd ever start playing a violin, that would be what i would want to create...!
TheMproductions 4 months ago
I think its really odd that many of the fans of the original Mahavishnu Orchestra did not like this incarnation of them. I really don't understand that. THis band had as much originality and fire in it as the original, and then some just because of players like Jean Luc Ponty, Ralph Armstrong, and Michael Walden, being added to the mix. Michael Walden is AWESOME. Why he chose to go and become Whitney Houston's producer is his business.
lorioftheforest 5 months ago
@lorioftheforest I like the the originality of the original orchestra as I find it is more interesting than the polish of the later orchestras. More innovative, more avant guard, more challenging. In fact I think John lost his way creatively in favor of polish. But what do I know? He's a giant any way one looks at it. I've gone on to become interested in tuning. Listen to Wendy Carlos' "Beauty in the Beast"... astounding.
cordedpoodle 4 months ago
@cordedpoodle Cmon Coordedpoodle. How can you say that? Both incarnations of this band redefined originality. No one that I know of ever comes anywhere close to either band. Please, do me and yourself a huge favor...When you have a moment or so to yourself, plug yourself into some headphones and listen again to Visions of the Emerald beyond. This is a very sophisticated music. Its not a matter of polish, both bands were polished. Its a matter of power grace and beauty.
lorioftheforest 3 months ago
Probably one of the best solos I've heard from JM. Nice sound and his guitar is screaming on the high notes. Great vibrato too.
ocean4315 5 months ago
Amazing. Just amazing.
MrFrozenyoga 5 months ago
These guys are Hare Krishnas or something?
I had no idea those lot could play such good music other than that funny organ according thing...
After hearing that guitar/drum solo battle of the century, I am incredibly happy that they do play other instruments...
learrus 6 months ago
@learrus
Sri Chinmoy had many notable students. Devadip (the spiritual names given to them by Sri Chinmoy) Carlos Santana, Mahavishnu John McLaughlin, Narada Michael Walden -- and I can't remember the name given to ChicK Corea. Or was it Herbie Hancock. One of those alliteratively-named '70's keyboardists.
heubler1 5 months ago
@heubler1
Why was it so "special" to have some Indian retard Sri Chinmoy call somebody a Devadip telling our musicians how to "progress?" Are u kidding me? Those idiots in India barely make it day-to-day. "Devadip" John McLaughlin made it any day of my life. He's always (besides Mahavishnu Orchestra) been there to lift our spirits.
justinbgaga 5 months ago
saw ponty in 07 at a small club in mpls...saw mclaughlin with santan about 75 in a large venue in st. paul
TheIrishlad12 6 months ago
Absolutely one of the finest pieces of music ever
GoatBeach 6 months ago
Så jävla bra!!!!
nettanfrasse 6 months ago in playlist Mahavishnu
Who's playing drums on this? Is it Cobam
MultiSonny57 7 months ago
@MultiSonny57 No, it's Narada Michael Walden
endique79 7 months ago 5
@MultiSonny57 drums are so high in the mix its absolute nirvana for any drummer who wants to really hear the mighty michael walden in his prime,,,listen to Jeff beck wired also
poodleenvy 3 weeks ago
@MultiSonny57 listen you Eternity's Breath for the true bombast
poodleenvy 3 weeks ago
1st started gettin high 2 this shit in '76. i love 'em both!
1960dondada 7 months ago 6
ok... I think I have it figured out. ..you're uh.. (lulz) ...giving every note he plays a beat.
Janitor989 7 months ago
@Janitor989 Exactly. In Lila's Dance, yes, because the intro guitar part is a REPETITIOUS PATTERN where the 8ths are consistently grouped 5-5-4-3-3. Try counting it out loud. In Port of Entry, no, because even though Jaco's solo certainly uses some rhythmic patterns/sequences, they aren't repetitious from one measure to the next. Time signatures are very flexible things. Don Ellis (1970's) even wrote a song in something like 3 2/3 over 4 time - I may not have that one quite right.
namtil 7 months ago
@namtil k. well.. that's completely wrong. it's not how it's done. sorry.
Janitor989 7 months ago
@Janitor989 Fine - I tried.
namtil 7 months ago
@namtil you still haven't given me a real reason why anyone in their right mind would do that. it makes no sense whatsoever and it overly complicates things in a completely unnecessary fashion. Time signatures change through out songs.. it happens all the time.. you do NOT just add them all up and call it something stupid like what you're doing now.
Janitor989 7 months ago
@Janitor989 This band's preoccupation with time signatures comes from an Indian tradition. Not Western! This is where McLaughlin was fusing not just rock and jazz, but Indian music as well. However, the juxtapositions are as much a part of western counterpoint as anything Eastern. You don't have to like it though, but you must admit is a unique contribution to music.
randychancemusic 6 months ago
@randychancemusic don't have to like it? Do ANY of you have the slightest clue what you're talking about? YOU DO NOT TIME SIG AN ENTIRE SONG ON WHAT THE GUITAR IS DOING.. MY GOD.
and I LOVE Mahavishnu.. this is my favorite song by them.. ...and it's in 5. get over it.
Janitor989 6 months ago 2
@randychancemusic Not unique but rare and they did it well. The Grateful Dead were also experimenting with time signatures early. Estimated Prophet is in 13/4 I think. I love both bands. This Album for many of us early JM heads was weak. In fact JM never really topped the original Mahvishunu Orchestra IMHO. No one did. Best shows I ever saw, in like 1971 and my friends say they were even more astounding before my first show.
cordedpoodle 6 months ago
@cordedpoodle Thanks for the reintroduction to the Grateful Dead! I haven't listened to them very much, and I really enjoyed Estimated Prophet. For what it's worth, the song is in 7/4 (3+4).
namtil 6 months ago
but... why would you write something out like that? you wouldn't call 4 measure of 4/4 ...1 measure of 16, would you?
Janitor989 7 months ago
@Janitor989 You're absolutely right. However, in the konnakol system the GROUPINGS (ie. 5-5-4-3-3), not the underlying pulse (what you hear as 5/4), can determine the rhythmic structure/time signature. The end result sounds the same, but using konnakol, you can break down long, complex rhythms into smaller units. It also means that you're not locked into playing (ie) 4 groups of 4 16th notes in 4/4 time (4-4-4-4). It could be 5-5-3-3, or any other pattern. It just has to add to 16 16ths.
namtil 7 months ago
@namtil the guitar riff is 2 measures of 5/4.. you're just making it overly complex and it's not how things are put together. John's PHRASE might be all long and whatever but y'know.. it's just 5/4.
Janitor989 7 months ago
@Janitor989 For fun, check out the 6/4 measure in Iron Maiden's "Number of the Beast". It breaks down as 3-3-3-3-2-2 (all 8th notes). They're probably not using konnakol to come up with this; it just sounds interesting and good, and is reasonably easy to hear and play once you do it a couple times. Same idea, though. Cheers,
namtil 7 months ago
@namtil yeah.. 6/4 is legitimate. 20/8? no.. that sounds like something out of Dungeons and Dragons.
Janitor989 7 months ago
@Janitor989 So, 20/8 can't exist - why? Because you say it can't? So good to know that I've finally found the arbiter of all musical knowledge. And you even create your own musical verbs. Soon conservatories the world over will be teaching their students how to "sig" a piece of music.
namtil 3 months ago
@namtil tell you what... go find Weather Report - Port of Entry (live) and listen to Jaco's 32nd note solo... ..how are you gonna sig that?
Janitor989 7 months ago
my dog was born at 4:30am... I was listening to this song at the time... ..she popped out right when Narada slams the tons and the screaming guitar starts... ..her name is Lila.
Janitor989 7 months ago 2
"CLYDE8HER" is correct, John should be right up at the top of the tree, if anything...
eggflipsupreme 7 months ago
Wow. Hearing this brings tears to my eyes. Long ago memories of my teen years and the beautiful long haired boy that introduced me to Mahavishnu Orchestra; Jean Luc Ponty; Chick Corea.. showing me there was more to music than AM top 40. The best education ever.
missteedub 7 months ago
@missteedub I wonder if you're the girl I introduced to Mahavishnu and Jean Luc...
Janitor989 7 months ago
The blues rules.
yowzephyr 8 months ago
Above the toil of life my soul is a bird of fire, winging the infinite.
LordSquittybottom 8 months ago
their not just musicians,,,thier music pimps!!!!!!
ambinautic 9 months ago
@ambinautic "they're" :P
Janitor989 7 months ago
...between his amazing innovations with music he wrote for the Mahavishnu Orchestra, his shear improvisational skills on both acoustic and electric guitar, his innovative construction of a special guitar/sitar for the music of Shakti, and his work on some of the most groundbreaking albums ever recorded...who compares to John McLaughlin!
...I mean really, how many musicians has Miles Davis named a song after.
timages 9 months ago
One of the best tracks of this fantastic album. The second orchestra was as good as the first.
thegerrie19561 10 months ago
ﾏﾊﾋﾞｼｭﾇ! 当時､時の凄腕連中､ｼﾞｬﾝ･ﾘｭｯｸ･ﾎﾟﾝﾃｨｰの弦が唸る!
blackandtanful 10 months ago
Yes is Narada! the funk octopus!!! a monster!!
czarnpg 10 months ago
this disc change my life
vivaelrock34 10 months ago
Michael Walden went on to be the super producer for Whitney Houston and Areatha Frankiin. He was tough!!!!
SuperWilliamJackson 11 months ago
I would bet that the time structure came out of John's study of "konnakol". Check out his (and other's) videos on the subject and you'll see what I mean. And yes, everything adds up to 20 eighth notes per measure. The cool thing is that the opening section uses 5-5-4-3-3, the blowing (2:50) uses 3-3-3-3-3-3-2, and the two are COMBINED at about 4:20. Very smart stuff and a great piece of music.
namtil 11 months ago
@namtil you guys are so ....off.. it's 5/4
Janitor989 7 months ago
@Janitor989 Yes, in a way you're correct; 20 is a multiple of 5. However, if you follow the guitar accompaniment as eighth notes, rather than quarters, the result is the pattern I mentioned (5-5-4-3-3). This is confirmed by my copy of the MO scores (Warner Bros., 1976). Using a large number of subdivisions per measure allows the composer to play with different combinations and, in this case, superimpose two different ones as the piece ends (the second being 3-3-3-3-3-3-2). Respectfully yours.
namtil 7 months ago
@namtil man... that is NOT how you figure out a time signature.
Janitor989 7 months ago
@Janitor989 It's how John McLaughlin wrote this song. Again, in general you're correct. Most Western/North American composition deals with note groupings of 2, 3, and 4 within one beat. Traditional East Indian music commonly uses groups of 5's, stringing them together with other groupings. The result is a much more fluid sense of pulse that is based on vocal syllables. This concept is a major influence on John McLaughlin and one of the things that makes Mahavishnu such a unique-sounding band.
namtil 7 months ago
@namtil well.. y'know.. this is my favorite Mahavishnu song period.. I've listened to it 1000s of times. If you've got some kind of documentation linked I'd love to read it.. ..but myself and my drum teacher went over it. The signature might change here and there, but it's in 5.. there's a part that might be in 7.. but the majority of the song is in 5. Time sig is figured by the drums. ..but really if you've got something to link I can read I'd love to see it.
Janitor989 7 months ago
@Janitor989 The book is "John McLaughlin and the Mahavishnu Orchestra" (1976 Warner-Tamerlane Publishing Corp. & Chinmoy Music, Inc.). I've had it since it was released and it's likely out of print. You can see a guitar lesson here on YT entitled "Lila's Dance Mahavishnu Orchestra Part One Play it RIGHT". If you can give me some way to email you a photo or two (of pages from the book) at least you'll see that I'm not imagining a time signature of 20/8. Also, check "konnakol". Regards,
namtil 7 months ago
@Janitor989 Out of curiosity I just looked and found that the book is still in print. I'd suggest that you buy it, because it includes drum parts in a "mini score" format. Selections are from Inner Mounting, Birds of Fire, and Visions. Later,
namtil 7 months ago
3:39 WAIL AND HOWL!!!!
gebass6 11 months ago
@gebass6 I love the song is all peaceful in the begining.Then this crash of guitar howling and shredding happens! Like a storm rolling in on a sunny day. Then just as fast it goes away and back to peacefulness. Just like texas weather. Love it.
chillichomper 10 months ago
Have just uploaded our version of this going into Dance of Maya (audio only) recorded on ther 15th January in a bar in Liverpool UK. If you get a chance give it a listen. Any constructive criticism will be appreciated. Thanks
clarence335 1 year ago
Walden is the man!
soctrang 1 year ago 2
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When I was 16, I was in a band in Detroit. Ralph Armstrong had just graduated from High school (Northwestern I believe in Detroit) and got picked up by Jon. About 2 months later I was fortunate to see them practice for a concert in Detroit at Cobo Hall. It was one of the most amazing practices I ever witnessed. I knew I was in the presence of music greatness. Never will forget that!!!!!!
bakaryjammeh 1 year ago
When I was 16, I was in a band in Detroit. Ralph Armstrong had just graduated from High school (Northwestern I believe in Detroit) and got picked up by Jon. About 2 months later I was fortunate to see them practice for a concert in Detroit at Cobo Hall. It was one of the most amazing practices I ever witnessed. I knew I was in the presence of music greatness. Never will forget that!!!!!!
bakaryjammeh 1 year ago 2
I bought his album when I was about 16 years old. Saw them perform it live at the University of New Mexico. looking back now I realize I was listening to some of the most innovative and creative electric/jazz/fusion/eastern/rock music ever written or played. I saw John play last week in Santa Fe. Still a totally humble and creative guy. Completed the circle almost 40 years later. I am so lucky to have this music be part of my growing up.
chizmo7 1 year ago 13
A quite remarkable song!!
15chipshops 1 year ago
Jean Luc!
speedls 1 year ago
@speedls yes! saw the "imaginary voyage" tour in 1976. he played "New Country" for the encore and the crowd went wild!
westrokker 1 year ago
@MorlockRush2112
I think I've got it. It's in 7/4. What threw me off is that what I though was "one" was actually the last note of a triplet on the 7th beat that anticipates the "one". I saw a video where John explains this approach on "You Know You Know", which is in 12/4.
Just start counting on 1 when John sets the beat at 2:15. It was fun trying to figure it out.
ocean4315 1 year ago
Ralphe's bass really kicks a** at 2:20. It's a line that has always stuck with me through the years. Funky fretless line with an odd time signature. Can anyone tell me what the time signature is at 2:20? I can't seem to figure it out. Imagine if Ralpe was in the first version of the M.O.? He'a great player.
ocean4315 1 year ago
@ocean4315 Baffling and I am a music major! I feel there are some awesome odd (compound) meters going on, perhaps 2-3 in succession. I find something like 4/4 time signature in the beginning of the measure and perhaps a quick and unevenly grouped 8/8. It's the latter half of the measure that throws a person. Listen to the bass drum, he starts kicking in 8th notes which helps you count. The beginning and end are in 5/4 time. Scores are available, but are probably watered down for easiness.
MorlockRush2112 1 year ago
@MorlockRush2112 Then again, I just looked at the live version and it could be 5/4 with a 2/4. There just seems to be an extra half "beat" that is hard to account for. Look at how the musicians count it out with their feet. It is definitely odd meter at it's best. And the syncopation is what drives it. I like the original recording and how he marries the two meters/ rythyms together towards the end. (around 4:26) If someone has the score. please let us know the correct times sigs. Thanks
MorlockRush2112 1 year ago
@MorlockRush2112 According to the scores I have - can't remember atm where they're from - the intro and outro are 14/8, the bridges (similar to the intro) are two bars of 14/8 + one bar of 7/8, while the rest of the song is notated in 20/8. Quite a ways from 4/4, 5/4 and even 7/4 (particularly the groupings).
@ocean4315 The time signature in most of the song, including the guitar solo from ~2:20, is 20/8.
r0berito 1 year ago
@MorlockRush2112 what ever the tme signature is seems to be way beyond my smallbrain to understand I just know these guys were on another level of muscianship that i will never be...
westrokker 1 year ago
@westrokker The opening guitar part is in 20/8, counted as 1,2,3,4,5. 1,2,3,4,5. 1,2,3,4. 1,2,3. 1,2,3. The next one is in counted throughout as 1. 1,2. 1,2,3. That's all I've learned so far...sure is fun to play.
Toquenook 11 months ago
such synergy, musicianship, energy and depth that no band will ever come close to. I didn't think that was possible after listening to King Crimson...
rexasul 1 year ago
@rexasul You're right, KC are truly 'best 'o the best', unless you include the"M O" ! Which, if you research it and study Musical Theory, you'll CLEARLY see that the Mahavishnu Orchestra was where music almost interceded with another dimension.
weewilly49 1 year ago
The hairs on the back of my neck stand up every time i hear this track,the level of musician ship is outstanding,the lead break makes me think of a big american car cruising down the high way and then all of a sudden you kick it in to 1st gear and tack off.....well some thing like that.I'm on to my 3rd copy on vinal now,maybe one day i might buy the cd.
zappa95b 1 year ago
man, i hate how they mix music nowadays..no depth, now, THIS is deeeeep! love it
seifukusha 1 year ago
maravilloso
vivaelrock34 1 year ago
Keith Richards is #10 on the Rolling Stone list of greatest guitarists...John at #49?? Who the hell did these polls?? Keith Richards couldn't clean the sweat off of JM's guitar strap...I love the Stones, don't get me wrong but really !!!
clyde8her 1 year ago 39
@clyde8her And I bet Cobain was above JM also. Remember, the poll was conducted by the RS. It is my belief that probably over 80% NEVER heard of JM, so for him to score even that high is amazing.
dorian411 1 year ago
@clyde8her Popularity, not a talent contest.
chuckbyf1 10 months ago
@clyde8her No shit. richards plays some of the most routine crap.
jkeller650 10 months ago
@clyde8her yeah that poll was such bullshit, jack white was above carlos santana....
zackthemack 10 months ago
@clyde8her anyone who attempts to make a list of the best _______ players of all time only proves that he knows nothing of music
niciraci 9 months ago 2
@clyde8her Excellent point Clyde... But to clarify, it's not always about technical mastery. For instance, Dave Gilmour (Pink Floyd) was awarded greatest guitar solo in history by his peers because he plays with a lyrical expression and clarity unmatched by anyone (McGlaughlin included); yet DG could not touch JM's technical mastery! ...g
gwglec 9 months ago 2
@clyde8her Still, at least it's not Cliff Richard at number 10
MegaLotusEater 8 months ago
@clyde8her MOST FAMOUS PROBABLY
SNCDeeDee 7 months ago
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@clyde8her MOST FAMOUS PROBABLY
SNCDeeDee 7 months ago
@clyde8her ..."rock" guitarists.... you can't put John McLaughlin or Jean Luc Ponty on some ...list... they stand alone in excellence.
Janitor989 7 months ago
@Janitor989 I hate lists also....hard to classify but Keith Richards should be known for his songwriting, not his virtuosity on guitar.
clyde8her 7 months ago
@clyde8her
I seen these guys on TV ONCE; YEARS AGO and never was able to find anything on them after that...
This was a random find indeed!
No one should not know about this band!!!
Grew up in an extremelly musical house hold of a piano teacher/voice coach mum, and have heard practically everything under the sun as my appetite for music has always been voracious... But this... This is clearly the reason music was invented in the first place... We had to spend thousands of years workin on it.
learrus 6 months ago
@clyde8her I couldn't agree more. Who the hell made that list you speak of? Some troll who told M. Jackson to name his "Blanket"? Lord what is this world coming to with all these "know-it-all" idiots running around!
koldfushen 5 months ago
@clyde8her Boy did you ever hit that nail right on the head
lorioftheforest 5 months ago
yes narada mike walden was the bomb later he was producing disco music. this vesion of mo i think was the excess of john tho good i think he tried to take to it too far. dont think he was getting along with the original members of m. o. and john luc was quoted as saying after awhile he couldnt stand being on the same stage with john m. by the way in some old dictionarys if you look up the violin john lucs picture is next to it from some university!
maxinedal 1 year ago
Yeah, I totally agree with the commentor below, this lineup, and album production is far superior than the first two records. Bump what the critics say.
vbfl920 1 year ago
@vbfl920 There was an album ("Apocalypse") after MO I disbanded " before "Visions...". What's your opinion of it? While you agree to a certain degree with JM, I always preferred the FIRST MO by FAR, hands down. I saw them live (always from the 1st row) three times and THIS line-up once. For me, NO comparison.
dorian411 1 year ago
Love this flipping song. That solo rips so hard for 1975! Gaw, I wonder what he was using to get that screaming tone. I hate his guitar sound on the first two records. It was way too bland sounding. But this really nails it!
vbfl920 1 year ago
Yes, it's Mike Walden on drums.
Imasexyblkman 1 year ago
What Mclaughlin does with the guitar on this song is mind-blowing. One of thee best rock guitar solos you'll ever hear. The guy is simply a genius. If you're a first-time listener, buckle your seatbelt; this song is a trip!
worldtalker 1 year ago
@worldtalker Yep he lets rip here.Saw this line up at The Fairfield Halls in Croydon with the string quartet. Jean luc Ponty & Mclaughlin did a bit of Claptons Layla intro really fast...And Walden was very good..and young at the time too. Buckle yr seatbelt indeed!!
adiegk1 1 year ago
hasta que vuelvas
sizrcco1 1 year ago
Yeah...this is the s...; in my opinion the best overall Mahavishnu work.
UmGahWah 1 year ago
Beautiful video!!!
Grandma mary
Fr3derick 1 year ago
This is the good stuff! Nothing beats this. Thanks, for uploading!
Peace, - Jerry
TheGuitarjerry1126 1 year ago
There is no sufficient suprelative to describe this.
alienspy77 1 year ago
who makes music like this today? nobody...
westrokker 1 year ago
@westrokker Some groups of progresive rock are doing great music but not like this fantastic band. Greetings.
1956batrix 1 year ago
love this......but also shakti version
coreyagraph 1 year ago
I know the critic's choice usually goes for the earlier line-up but for me this album was always the best-perhaps not as awesome solo wise but just so strong conceptually. I love having it all on a CD and just listening to all of it in one stream-each track just leads into the other so well.
Biggus63 1 year ago
I saw this performed in LOndon - I have never recovered. I do not want to.
ubergeraldine 1 year ago
So so beautiful.
anthrobserver 1 year ago
Narada Michael Walden..I have never seen anything like him again..I saw this band in 6th grade and it changed my life!!!
ProfessorKarlLatham 1 year ago
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Innovation + technical brilliance = superior music. Contrast this level of composition with today's standards in popular music: man o man, it makes me wonder what the next era of decomposition will bring. But hey, we had our hay day, and its preserved for posterity. And hopefully, someone will be inspired to take up the banner of Return To Forever and Mahavishnu Orchestra, etc. and take it to the next level of good taste, technical brilliance and innovation.
utopiandesign 1 year ago
here's a wake up call for Fusion :)
Lilas Dance )))) \
One of the finest Groups 'Mahavishnu Orchestra"
peace
kevinmt
*_*
djphilharmonic 1 year ago
Awesome, just like in 'Dance of Maya ,McLaughlin manages put together a winning combo of erudite 'part 1' followed by some odd meter blues section.
egyptianminor 1 year ago
@egyptianminor I love the 12 string riffs he comes up with in both of those songs and meeting of the spirits.
masterofscotland 1 year ago
Subtle, visionary, wonderful, amazing...just a few adjectives...oh and ageless...
..great awesome stuff this...used to have this on LP too...i was an idiot and sold it:(((
Nick
MrListenerman 1 year ago
Bliss
COWZ14 1 year ago
Love those 12 string trance/trippy riffs that McLaughlin comes up with. Meeting of the spirits anybody, Dance of Maya and this.
masterofscotland 1 year ago
it something else i mean u hear all all this traditional music, and it all brought up in too 1 song too amamzing i think just amamzing
joeandbettehopper 1 year ago
Just love jean luc ponty
Kakkapieru 1 year ago
@Kakkapieru Aurora may be my favorite album of all time. brilliant composition. but mahavishnu would be my favorite band of all time without a doubt.
portsurfceo 1 year ago
Narada Michael Walden on drums. This incarnation of the Mahavishnu seemed more relaxed (is that possible fo Mahavishnu?). But I must say they did have some great compositions that actually got played on jazz radio here in Chicago back in the seventes and 80. I admire ALL the music Mahavishnu Ochestra has created
levonpoe 1 year ago
Is this Narada Michael Walden on drums?
jpb318 1 year ago 5
yes
endique79 1 year ago
@endique79 Actually I believe it's Billy Cobham on drums
eurisko618 1 year ago
@eurisko618 no, i'm about 99.999% sure it's not billy cobham. narada recorded on this album.
portsurfceo 1 year ago
@endique79 Michael is SO awesome on this album! One of my all time favorite drummers!!!
JohnLRice 11 months ago
@jpb318 Umm Hmmm....playing with Jeff Beck now! Yes!!!
caryzia 1 year ago
A masterpiece. No one can touch John. He's definitely from another universe. So glad he is still around to show us his music.
amsedelm 1 year ago
I saw John and the orchestra live in Austin, Texas at the Paramount Theater in the late 70's... I know! I was on the FIRST ROW CENTER!! It felt intimate and personal and was an evening like no other. A powerful journey that changed the way I knew music. (from a professional musician since the age of 5) - JEALOUS, HUH?
texasbluesky 1 year ago
Brilliant...
magnussejberg 1 year ago
I remember seeing this band live in Adelaide. One of the most amazing performances ever.
dillonsc 1 year ago
You just can't forget that! One of the best memories of the seventies!
souleducation33 1 year ago
Awesome. Great chilling music, for sure. Thanks for posting. Peace and love to all.
JIMMIESURFS 1 year ago
This is some cool stuff!
jaygresh 1 year ago
Incredible musicians, and incredibble music. A performance's level that is hardly to hear today. From the very deep of the heart
dmsaid 1 year ago
Jesus christ!!...How good is this?
peteryyz43 1 year ago
3:47 !!!!
bouilll 1 year ago
@bouilll doesn't mean that I like only this second but the APEX of this phenomenal track
bouilll 1 year ago
So many great players went through this band during its time, but I always felt that this incarnation was one of the best and most coherent.
JazzmanJibilla 1 year ago
perfect explanation ...at another level another galaxy
sbuassali 1 year ago
Just as fantastic as it was when I first heard it in my teens! Blows me away!
MsKABT 1 year ago
I was born and raised in the "classical tradition", including music, literature, and such, and as my teen years encompassed the decade of the 1960's my training in classical music, including the discovery of 12-tone and serial music, all helped me to grasp the complex rhythms and harmonies expressed the 1st 2 (maybe 3) Mahavishnu Orchestra LPs. I got to see them "live" once. Most of my friends at that time were into prog rock yet they didn't really get what the M.O. was about..
eurisko618 1 year ago
@eurisko618 I believe Mahavishnu had a myriad of fans that loved the music without having to know what the twelve tone system is. Music can be approached from another level altogether, including brilliant musicians that cannot read a note.
jsilence418 1 year ago
@jsilence418 I didn't mean to imply that knowledge of "12-tone" composition or other complex music was needed to appreciate M.O.. I was suggesting that many of MY friends took a bit longer to appreciate them. And I don't believe there's any "12-tone" rows, etc in their music. What plays a BIG part in their (1st -3rd) albums is complex rhythm, intonation, harmony and the intense virtuosity the group had as a whole. No one had done anything quite like it before. I saw them live - way too loud :-)
eurisko618 1 year ago
@jsilence418 what is the 12 tone? I'm a jazz fan and at the moment I'm all for Weather Report, Return To Forever and Mahavishnu Orchestra... Was just wondering what a 12 tone is....
5oulPower 1 year ago
@5oulPower I,m sure it can be accessed online, and this isn't a textbook answer, but I believe it is a method of classical composition that uses all 12 tones in the scale, where they are all used. I would guess it would be difficult to establish a key center and that's why some of the music I've heard like, Alban Berg, or Arnold Schonberg sounds a tonal!
jsilence418 1 year ago
@jsilence418 ah... ok thanks!
5oulPower 1 year ago
@5oulPower I warned you it wasn't a text book answer !!!!!
jsilence418 1 year ago
@jsilence418 lol thats ok. I get what u mean. Thanks btw!
5oulPower 1 year ago
@5oulPower hi 1/4 tones eastern
chinkadero 1 year ago
i would never have went here it was recommended...
samson19541 1 year ago
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Careful you don't catch invaginitis...more scholastic torture plus you get 3 free hits! i would rather listen to "Careful with that ax Eugene" by Pink Floyd a classic.
samson19541 1 year ago
@samson19541 If you want to listen to Pink Floyd then go listen to them, rather than posting pointless comments.
ResidentMax 1 year ago 2
Excuse me gentlemen, i was unaware that music was competative; the validity surely is not quantified by the number of 'hits', rather what the music actually says is subjective to the listeners mood. The populus argument invaginates, jazz has hardly ever been as mainstream as rock or pop, nor does poplularity guarantee intrinsic value in any genre. ENOUGH, just let the music talk.
fletcherman1 1 year ago
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where is your beloved orchestra now? 67,00 views Floyd has 13 million...i'm just saying?
samson19541 1 year ago
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Pink Floyd was the better ticket with more imagination and vocals...
samson19541 1 year ago
i love the floyd but mahavishnu in the seventies
was at another level another galaxy
suratof 1 year ago 17