Secession is illegal under the constitution of Canada, but it's been used as a FRONT for decades to replace Confederation by force with the system of the NWO, which is the European Union system. Google this -- 'Sarkozy Scamming Quebec's Hoodwinked Separatists HCC'
@crazyforcanada - like all the traitors before him, Harper has never denounced the criminally illegal sitting & voting of separatists in our Parliament and Legislatures (i.e., necessarily all under void oaths), because they are a TOOL used as a FRONT by the Fed which is controlled by Power Corporation and others who are dictating the integration-annexation of Canada into the NAU. They need the 'separatists' as a PRETEXT to politically dismantle Canada once the integration is done!
What a hypocrite. Harper is using millions of federal tax dollars to finance radical communists (who originated radical separatists) in Quebec. Google this -- "RED" HARPER? CANADA'S FED FINANCING QUEBEC RADICAL COMMUNISTS
Vote NDP=a vote or Conservatives?I voted for NDP(Jack Layton R.I.P)because we need a change for in Canada and move on forward.How can we do that with Harper's majority government?Harper is going to do what ever the hell he want's to do with Canada and we as Canadian's can't do anything about any new law's that he seem's fit to propose.Crime in Canada is at it's lowest and he want's to make these new bill's and spend "Billion's" on the" WAR on DRUG's".Canada will feel the pinch real soon.
What a great game of D&D they all play. And isn't it cool how they awarded Snake Face and his minions a majority government. It would have been even cooler if nobody had voted back in May and he was STILL awarded a majority government. Now that's a game of D&D. Brush the wool out of your eyes people.
C mon you guys, Harper may not be the best prime minister but liberals and NDP voters have to admit he is far more liberal than conservatives in the US.
He is okay in a lot of ways and at least is making sure we have a stable economy in midst of a recession.
I really can't stress enough that, at this time in parliament FUCKING SEPARATISTS had 3rd party status. You don't like Harper?..... then SHUT THE FUCK UP and go join your god damn Liberal/Separatists friends you political invalid!
@Defiant2379 its funny because the people behind harper are the people behind the seperatists, problem reaction solution. order out of chaos, we are being invaded.
People hate Harper for practically no reason. He may not be the greatest Prime Minister, but he's well-spoken, he does know what he's talking about (even if you don't agree with it), and he's been willing to work with the other parties, but no one has ever wanted to work with him. Ever.
And he's the only one that gives a damn about our military. For fucks sake, their budget has only doubled since WW2. That's pathetic! So many casualties could have been avoided if they spent more. Fucking asshats
@AngryIntellectual Most of the lashes on Harper are mindless. Their are some policies i do not agree with too. But when these people rave they do not say why they are mad.. they just call him a war monger because he is replacing rusted out military equipment... lol. Canada is the 10th richest nation on the planet to spend 30 billion out of 1.4 trillion a year on defense is peanuts and yet people still go nuts?? Spain, even Australia spends more.. they are not warmongers...
@AngryIntellectual Canada is its own nation, we do not need to keep behind the U.S, Proper defense spending for us and our allies Dutch, Australia, New Zealand etc.. Harper has banned corporate and union donations to political party's he limited personal donations to $1100 for one person to stop corruption. Changing rules that senate members have to be voted in... after all this people call him a fascist and corporate controlled? These people who rant are fucking slow....
Fascism is as gentle as denying a comment on a youtube video. Or as violent as dealing with protesters at the G20 in Toronto. Or in the case of Net Neutrality, Corporations like Bell Canada, Rogers, Shaw, Videotron, even small Co-op telcos operations like Quadro Communications in Kirkton Ontario can fool around with reality to suit there Corporate Fascist purposes. We really need to address the problem of Corporate Fascism in Canada. To do this we MUST HAVE Proportional Representation.
I was hoping for liberals to rule over Canada and continue there SponsorShip Scandals again whilst they blame everyone else bar their own for massive corruption.
Maybe that civil war would come sooner then and we could kick out the third world and all foreign interests that now own Canada, like 85% of the media belonging to American mega corps and all being hardcore left propaganda.
@CelticAngloPress Stupid stupid stupid. Fact check some shit next time. 85% comes from where? no where because its not true. also selling our resources to china??? we have a NAFTA agreement that says we must sell 51% off our oil to the united fucking states. get your shit straight
You're a fucking idiot. Canada's has been at its absolute BEST financially under the liberals. They erased a $42 billion debt and built up a huge surplus for Canada's economy--that is, until Harper was elected. Canada is facing it's worst deficit in history. It definitely doesn't seem like all that "hardcore left propaganda" is working, because evidently there are more right-wing Harper nuthuggers than anyone had anticipated.
Actually, the deficit is far from the largest in history. As of April , it is about 2% of GDP (adjusted relative to the size of the economy, rather than the nominal amount which is virtually meaningless). The Liberal Party is dead, I would rather take the Harper Conservatives over tax and spend Jack. You criticize Harper for cutting programs (which he hasn't if you read the budget), yet complain he can't balance the budget when the other parties are pushing for more spending.
Ummm, funny thing is Harper has been outspending the Liberals, mainly due to the pointless and futile war in Afghanistan. He also wants to spend $29 billion on fighter jets (it may not say this amount on the budget but this is the approximate cost it will take to purchase and maintain said jets). Also, you're wrong--the deficit IS the largest in Canadian history. We're talking actual amount here, not percentages.
"the deficit IS the largest in Canadian history. We're talking actual amount here, not percentages."
By making that statement, you are comparing the value of money today to money in the past, and they are not the same and need to be adjusted. Using the nominal deficit is useless, because inflation will always lead to perpetually larger surpluses and deficits. By using nominal amounts, you are arguing that a dollar today is equal to a dollar in 1950 or 1900, which is incorrect.
I blame Harper for cutting programs (which he has if you read the long list of programs he has cut...) while simultaneously wasting our tax dollars on arms spending and funding the war in Afghanistan. That's what I blame him for. I'm sure it'd be a lot easier to balance the budget if we weren't out in the Middle East shooting brown people, don't you think? Government spending is much higher than the Liberals who preceded him, and yet cuts are being made to social programs Why is that
"Government spending is much higher than the Liberals who preceded him, and yet cuts are being made to social programs"
That is an oxymoron, you can criticize Harper for spending too much or not enough, but not both. That's like saying something is too tall, and also too short. Pick one and you will make a lot more sense. If you don't like him for how he allocates spending, then that's another story altogether.
That's an oxymoron because...? I was actually criticizing how he allocates spending, lol. But, just to make the discussion a little more interesting, I'll venture to say that I CAN criticize Harper for spending too much if he's spending too much on the wrong thing. Not only that, but he's spending more altogether than the Liberals who preceded him--the same Liberals who DIDN'T make as many cuts to social programs. Maintaining one is a lot cheaper than the other, it seems.
"That is an oxymoron, you can criticize Harper for spending too much or not enough, but not both."
How is it an oxymoron to complain about Harper wasting too much money on all the WRONG things while not spending any money whatsoever on things that actually matter? Do you even know what the word oxymoron is, or is it something you heard someone smart use once?
Hes also lived in America and much of his connections and allegiance is there, no one said Toronto was part of America but if you have seen the ethnic make up and cultural degeneracy and backwardness and incredibly extreme and rising migrant crime rate.
Soon New Yorker will be saying "Hey this place is getting like Toronto".
Also reread what was said, and everyone else, watch the liberal inherently dishonest brain at work.
Also no the Neo Cons are just as much a cancer as the Libs
@Silentsam7532 Iggy are you fucking madd or just a liberal lover... did you ever watch him in the house of commons.. fighting and arguing over nothing, even Jack would agree for what he thought was right... Iggy would just fight it because he can.. he had no stance..
@Baseshocks He was the most educated person running at the time. I wil admit I knew little else besides that about him.
My main reason for supporting him were his education level and his experience abroad. I also found that there was no good attacks against him. The only attacks were trying to make him sound pro-American and un-Canadian, when history showed something quite different. he spent most of his time in Europe.
Harper is just a nightmare. He is ruining Canada's name.
@Silentsam7532 How is he ruining Canada? He is the only politician to speak of Canada's Arctic since Diefenbaker. He has set trade deals with India, China and Brazil, he is promoting Canadian business to do business in other nations too not just the U.S. The budget deficit was due to the recession, the Liberals wanted him to spend a lot more then he did... He is a bit of a Doushebag at times and i do not agree with everything he does, continued.
@Baseshocks When I say he I mean the conservatives as a whole of course.
First the cuts that forced them to cut monitoring of the Ozone in the arctic was a huge blow to the worlds scientific community. We gathered 60% of that data.
His policies on crime are backwards and foolish. He is wasting money on prisons. The jets are the other obvious joke.
He is too often trying to lead us to an American way though. I hate to think of Canada being more like America.
@Baseshocks He has done some good things I will admit. I just feel he does more damage than good. I like dropping the long gun registry, and I like trading with Asia more. We need to have more economic freedom, and to cut our ties to that sinking rock called America.
no i think he didn't mention majority in public because people wouldn't understand what he means and people like this... would make stories like this one... DUH
@maxxmatt11 yes but people would take it like he is going for world domination... jeez so what everyone is acting like the world is over.. it doesn't mean he isn't willing to work with other parties!! it's just that he couldn't get ANYTHING passed because the other parties were being jackass' and then on top of that complain about the budget and then force harper to be in contempt of parliament so we could have this EXPENSIVE election that took millions of $ no point. Karma now he has majority!
The other parties had a right to complain about the budget. Harper has been cutting social programs left right and center, but wants to spend $29 billion on fighter jets. FIGHTER JETS. Just because he can "get things done" with a majority doesn't mean it's for the benefit of Canadians. I'd rather have him sit on his ass and do nothing until we vote someone else in next election instead of letting him turn Canada into a right-wing mini-America.
@maxxmatt11 instead now the things harper wanted to get done can get done... he's not looking to make drastic changes or anger the public... this is politics it doesn't work that way even if he wanted to he couldn't because people would get angry and the next election I'm sure he would like to stay on top not become the liberals hahaha. If he messes up he knows NDP is going to sweep the votes. he will play safe he will be a good leader. He's a smart politician he knows what's up.
@MsPaparatz Look at american politics, only after 8 damn years of bush did they realize they were literally being disgustingly abused. Bush has destroyed so many good policies and put so many bad ones in that it nearly because a police states. one more major attack on us soil and he probably would have declared a state of emergency and taken over the country. I dont want to see good policies and checks in our government die.
@MsPaparatz so why is he against gay marriage, for mandatory minimums, and against marijuana decriminalization, but rather harsher sentences? (All things the majority of canada have differing opinions on). Also, what about usage-based internet billing...........
anyone that votes conservative is a bigget and thinks anyone that isn't rich is a piece of shit. ndp need there chance 144 years of the conservatives and the liberals is enough
I've been looking for this clip for a while now! The dictator in him comes out through his body language (usually we just see it in his words and actions.)
MsPaparatz - assuming the Ms = woman - how could you - or any woman vote for the party that has decimated women's rights, defunded everything to do with women's safety, AND killed pay equity legislation?
No woman - and no parent of a girl child - should even consider voting for the CON ...I do not understand how one could even consider it.
I disagree with the annotation at the end of the video. The NDP is ahead of the Liberals in support now. So now it's more like a vote for the Liberals = a vote for the Conservatives.
Harper is the furthest thing from Canadian, you are very misinformed don't believe the shit that spews from his mouth do your own research. He is selling Canada out piece by piece, he sells off all our resources, he wants to destroy health care,
Vote harper.... he is real he reps canada ... he is canadian and proud canadian. You can argue any gov sucks truth is im happy with harper he got us through a huge recession, he is as real as a politician can be. I seen LAYTON and IGNATEIF tonight on tv dressing up in cultural stuff to kiss ass for votes then i see harper in a canadian jacket no gimics tellin it like it is whether ur black white brown chinese.... gimics are so pathetic! BE REAL! or get lost! HARPER <3 <3 <3
It's wonderfully hilarious that Liberal supporters could think that this makes their case. You're resorting to dropping made up inflammatory "quotes" on the video because he's not saying anything wrong. Beautiful. Then you proceed with the arrogant entitlement of NDP support. (Who are now leading the Liberals in some polls thereby reversing the logic) Voting Liberal? Don't throw your vote away!! I wish every Canadian would watch this critically. Fail.
WOW..As a American citizen immune to the Nazi like Propaganda and subversion of the voters opiions I feel both Frightened yet also relieved. We are not alone in the B.S. The Claiming Liberals are Socialists? Communists and??Space Aliens from the Planet Zoltran (I cannot verify that accusation but I assure you it will eventually be made.In a Time where our Economy falls,the Elected by MAObama Won with a large Majority,and they still Block Progress and blame it on the Black man.Its depressing
He sounds like a tyrant. Under the cover of privacy he always gives his true intentions a walk and it is always frightening. It seems that for most Canadians, the main issue in the election is a healthy economy which they believe overrides everything else (including our freedoms and care for each other,). I hope Canadians aren't as shallow and unengaged as the rest of the world continues to remind us all. Sometimes the truth hurts.
If you haven't read Lawrence Martin's book, "Harperland: The Politics of Control," you must before you vote. Mr. Martin provides a portrait of a controlling and secretive man who has been quietly changing our political system in ways most Canadians would find shocking. Get a copy of this book in audio from Post Hypnotic Press's web site today!
For a while- due to our PM's calm and cool temperament (High EQ) I have argued that he needs to generate the 'feeling' that he wants the role as PM and now even further- a majority government. I believe this is the first time I have tapped into that much prayed for energy on this clip. It's normal, sane, and the right thing to want, be intrinsically infused with unction to insist, and must be publically verbalized again and again. If he didn't insist this I would think- "Where's the passion?"
For a while- due to our PM's calm and cool temperament (High EQ) I have argued that he needs to generate the 'feeling' that he wants the role as PM and now even further- a majority government. I believe this is the first time I have tapped into that much prayed for energy on this clip. It's normal, sane, and the right thing to want, be intrinsically infused with unction to insist, and must be publically verbalized again and again. If he didn't insist this I would think- "Where's the passion?"
I do not agree completely with any of the Parties, but I'll vote for Harper over Layton, Ignatieff, or Duceppe. The opposition has now forced a fourth election in seven years. Canada declared it wanted Harper in as Prime minister three times. The opposition needs to realize Canada does not want more elections! We want the opposition to wait it's turn and support the government that is currently in power.
@redrosegirl1994 I find it funny that you think there is a diff between Harper and Ignatieff, their both just puppets who's only goal is to get one or the other of them into office .... imagine you're watching a puppet show and at the end of the show you have to say which puppet you liked better, which is all moot because both puppets are at the end of the strings of the same puppet master
The NDP is the only party that truly represents Canadian Working class people. the Liberals have brought in Michael Ignatieff from the US because the Americains want to make sure that no mater what way the ellection goes (Harper or Ignatieff) they will control the Canadian gvt. and we all know who realy controls the US gvt. The NDP is our only hope to keeping Canada Canada!!!
@MARKDASHARK41 you hypocrite tell us the Québec sovereignty is unimportant, but you defend Canada sovereignty. Canadian government control Québec govenrment! We don't want that! We don't want American to control us and we don't want Canadian to control us. We want freedom and independence, we want to be master of our own destiny. You obviously can't understand that, for this reason Canada deserve to be annexed into the USA. Just so you understand how we Quebecers feel...
So what's the problem? Of course he wants a majority! Every party running wants a majority. He has a philosophy and an agenda that more support support than an other agenda, and that is why he is Prime Minister. And, every policy change that he has advanced in this country has been with the support of other parties. That's how it works in this Parliament. And all the polls seem to indicate that support for his leadership is growing, not diminishing. Personally, I hope he gets a majority!
I don't care if Harper get a majority, he is hated in Québec, if he is elected it will help the separatist cause. I support the Bloc Québécois. Vive le Québec Libre!
@Patriote17 yea....that's all canada needs, a dangerous french canadian nationalist/separatist movement. it's pure nationalism! admit it. its dangerous and unnecessary, the majority of canadians love quebec and love its unique French heritage culture. i LOVE it! but thats my point, it practically IS a whole other country already....no need to separate unless you're a nationalist or a racist, or you don't like people because they speak different language than you!
@Freethinker12341 if you think Canada should be a distinct country from the USA, you are a racist! Independence is dangerous and unecessary. The USA have the same language and culture as you. You don't need to be a distinct country unless you are a British nationalist or a racist. If the majority of the people in America vote for war, you have no choice to follow! They are more then you, they decide, it's democracy. You are not a distinct nation, you have no right! Accept it! (sarcasm)
@Patriote17 If the majority of people in a independent Quebec voted for something, but the people of lets say the majority of sept isles did not support it ? Should Sept Iles form an independent country ? Or is that just how democracy works ?
@ryan84160 friend you do not seem to understand that we Quebecers are a disinct nation with a distinct language, culture and history. Historicly we have been invaded and annexed by force. Our people never voted to be part of the Canadian federation. The people of Sept-îles are not a distinct nation, they do not see themselves as such. Beside there is a big difference between a city of 25,000 people and a Nation of 8 millions.
@Patriote17 No, YOU were not invaded by anyone. Some of your ancestor may have been, but your ancestors are also guilty of annexing land by force for the French colonial empire. So if ,hypothetically,Sept-iles did decide to become independent this would not be legitimate ? A nation is an arbitrarily defined, imaginary community.
@ryan84160 the English invaded us, slaughtered almost half our population, deported the Acadians. They send blanket infested with smallpox to our natives ally to exterminate them! We resisted the invasion during 7 years, in a war that you English named "French and Indian war". Because 90% of Natives American were ally with us, I am myself a Métis! Québec have been invaded and annexed by force. You want us to foget history only because your ancestors commited crime against mankind! Fuck You!
@Patriote17 YOU were not invaded by anyone!! NO single person is alive that can say they were invaded by the english. "We resisted" YOU didn't do a goddamn thing! " Québec have been invaded and annexed by force" Yes, true but New France was invaded and annexed by the French who then used the natives as slaves and imported African slaves.
@Patriote17 "your ancestors committed crime against mankind"everyone person on the earth has millions of ancestors, I am pretty sure at least some of them have committed crimes. However my ancestors did not do anything to your ancestors as I am 3/4 Irish and 1/4 French. Even if I was of English ancestry, who the fuck cares ? People are NOT responsible for what their ancestors did.
@ryan84160 you said our people were never invaded by anyone. Just admit the fact that the English invaded us, deported the Acadian and exterminated the Natives! Admit it! If you refuse to admit it or try to deffend what the British did, I will associate you to their crime whatever your origin. You are Irish but you defend a British imperialist system wich make you British! Vive le Québec Lire!
@Patriote17 Either you don't understand English or you are blatantly fucking retarded. I never said Britain did not do these things. I never defended anything any colonial power has done be it British,Dutch,Spanish,French,Portuguese,French,Belgian,Italian,Japan or any other country. I am of mostly Irish ancestry, the English did some horrible things to my ancestors in the past , but I would have to be a special find of retard to hold the British responsible today.
@ryan84160 friend you clearly said that we were never invaded by anyone. We were invaded by the British, it is an historical fact. Irish who live in Ireland still hold the British responsable. They fighted the British in 1916-1921, they established the Irish republic. The IRA is still active in N.Ireland. Truth is, the Irish are 100x more violent and extremist right now then us Quebecers. IRA blew up a bomb yesterday, they killed 2 police officers last weak...
@Patriote17 You are so fucking stupid. I did not say that New France was not invaded, I said that YOU or any other person alive today was not invaded by anyone. "The IRA is still active in N.Ireland." Yes, and they are irrational,nationalistic terrorists. I would be careful about justifying your own irrational nationalism by pointing the the IRA.
@ryan84160 I speak about the IRA because you speak like if the Irish are perfect being who do not hold the British responsable. Irish people are more violent then Quebecers right now, FLQ is death in Québec, IRA is not death in Ireland. So don't use the Irish as an exemple of kindness and forgiveness. They obviously still hold a grudge against the British, they were invaded in the 1000's and they are not oppresed right now, but they still commit terrorist act...
@Patriote17 When did I say the Irish are perfect ? You are putting words in my mouth left right and center. I was speaking only about my self as a person of Irish ancestry. "they were invaded in the 1000's and they are not oppresed right now, but they still commit terrorist act..." When you use the word "they" it makes it seem like you are saying all Irish people. This is a tiny percentage of Irish people that use terrorism.
@Patriote17 I think you have no argument. You might as well get pissed at your French self for using your native ancestors as slaves. Anyone that attaches his/her identity to something as vaguely defined as a "nation" is a very weak individual.
@ryan84160 no, by defintion a nation is a group of people who share similar language and culture. A nation and a state is not the same thing. Québec is not a nation, Quebecers people are a nation. I should have said part of the Quebecers nation. We want Québec to become a Nation-State. We are already a nation inside the Canadian federation. To be part of our nation, of our people, you must speak our language and respect our cutture. If you don't you are a stranger or a tourist.
@ryan84160 unfortunatly this is not up to you to decide. Your opinion on Québec independence is completly irrelevant, even if 100% of you English-Canadian would oppose Québec independence, it would not stop us...
Why "must" they speak the language ? This is cultural imperialism being imposed on the people that lived there before the French arrived. If a native can only speak his/her native language then he is a stanger of tourist in his/her own land? This is nothing but nationalistic supremacism.
@ryan84160 cultural imperialism? You are hilarious. 95% of the country on this earth practice what you call cultural imperialism. Few country practice multiculturalism! it is not my problem if you Canadian have absolutly no distinct culture. We in Québec have a distinct language and culture, we will deffend it. Beside you should stop trying to speak in natives name, I am Métis and I say Fuck You! Canada commited a lot of crime against the natives, you are not in a position to make us lesson.
@Patriote17 "95% of the country on this earth practice what you call cultural imperialism." So that makes it right ? Because 95% of the worlds population does something automatically makes it right ? Is this really your argument ?
"Beside you should stop trying to speak in natives name, I am Métis and I say Fuck You! " I am not trying to speak for natives,I am sure natives have thousands of different opinions.I am simply telling you what happened and the fact isthe French used them as slaves.
@ryan84160 French were ally with 90% of the natives of N.America, they signed treaty, forged alliance and they even intermarried. Some French obviously had black or Iroquois slaves, Iroquois had French slaves too. Iroquois were enemy. My point is that the French didn't put their natives allies into slavery. French free all the Iroquois slaves they had during the great peace of 1701. Beside the majority of the slaves in New France were own by the catholic church. The church is not "the French".
@Patriote17 Because some French intermarried is hardly an argument that the natives were not porrly treated by the French. The Spanish inter married in MUCH larger numbers than the French did, but no one in their right mind would say this is evidence the natives were treated well by the Spanish.
If the Church (which was made up of French people) can not be called the French, then the British crown can not be called the "English".
@ryan84160 French never betray their ally, they never settle on a land whitout treaty, they never exterminated a native nation. Spanish exterminated many nation, french did not do that, The church is a big and independent organisation composed of French, Irish, Italian, Spanish, ect. The church cannot be associated to one nation. English crown can easily be associated to the English. English still support the English monarchy.
@ryan84160 in 250 years of history, New France had approximately 10,000 slaves. Half were own by Natives american, so the French and catholic church barely own 5000 slaves during the 200 years of the history of New France. The historian Marcel Trudel claim there was 4185 slaves in Québec from 1534 to 1834. It is nothing compared to the millions of slaves of the United States. 1/3 of the people in the english colony were slaves, 1/10000 of the people in New France were slaves.
@Patriote17 Of course it was it nothing compared to the English southern colonies because there was not the plantation system of the south. If there was there would have been just as many slaves. The French colonial empire had absolutely no problem with slavery .
@Patriote17 My point was not to say that they had just as many. I was simply try to illustrate the point that you should not look at history through your nationalist lenses. New France was not heaven on earth where everyone got along in peace and love. There were many horrible things that went on there just as in most other places in the world.
@ryan84160 if the Canadians and the Americans have the right to be independent, Quebecers have that right too. Everybody that have eyes and ears know that Québecers are a distinct nation. We are 8 millions of people and we have the ressources and infrastructures needed to be independent.
@Patriote17 Quebec has the right to be Independent if it votes to become Independent. Although so far this has his has failed twice. I am not saying that Quebec can never become Independent, just that if it does it is based on the worst, most irrational way a person can think about his/her place in the world which is ethnic nationalism.
@Patriote17 If every people that formed a "nation" under this definition were to form a state,Europe would consist of many hundreds of tiny states. France,Spain and Italy would be split into about 20 or 30 different pieces and even Quebec would be split into multiple pieces.
@ryan84160 English-Canadian believe language and culture is not a reason for a people to be independent, but you believe being loyal to England and the the Queen is a reason to be indepedent from the USA. You have no logic, you people are irrational monarchist nationalist, Canada must be annexed to the United-States!
@Patriote17 Quebec shares the same language as France , so why should Quebec be Independent from France ?
"irrational monarchist nationalist" I am non of these things. I do not attach my identity to my country. I don't wave the flag. A nation is not an appropriate institution for a human being to love simply because he/she belongs to one by pure accident of birth. I have more affinity towards a Chinese person that share my beliefs than I do for a member of my own nation that does not.
@ryan84160 They are not part of the Québecer nation because they have their own nations, is it so hard to understand. They are the first nations. They can be part of our nation if they want, but they have their own languague and culture to protect, it is their choice and I respect it. All natives in Québec speak french anyways, few of them still speak natives language. Only the Mohawks are english speaking.
@Patriote17 So then every native nation in Quebec should have the right to sovereignty and form their own nation state right ?
"it is our right to impose the french language on immigrants." Why is it your right to impose French on immigrants? The natives did not impose native languages on the French when they were immigrants. I think they should learn French just to get along in everyday life but it is not your right to force people to do anything.
@ryan84160 if they want yes, Mohawks are already fully independent. Québec police have absolutly no authority in Mohawks reservation. However only their reservation can be independent. 10,000 people cannot make strong nation. In the past natives were ally with our people because our ancestors respected their language and culture, they were treated as equal. The French adapted to natives life. The coureur des bois are a good exemple of that.
@Patriote17 If Native nations(or any region for that matter) would have the right not separate from Quebec and form their own independent state or remain in Canada then at least you would have a logically consistent.
"they were treated as equal" You are just simply not being intellectually honest. You start with own preconceived notion of what you wished would have happened and then make up the history to conform to this.
@ryan84160 do you know how to read your own language. I said they can be independent if they want, they can declare independent the land they own now, their reservation, they can establish a govenrment and laws that we will respect. But before the best for them is to negociate for more land, estblished economic and social association with Québec. This is negociation between Québec and Natives nations. They have all the right to declare independent the land were they live and offically own.
@Patriote17 Do you know how to read ? Where did I say you did not support this ? In fact I was supporting what you said for at least being somewhat logically consistent.
@Patriote17 Your romanticised version of history where the natives and the colonizers lived in complete and utter peace and were treated as full equals simply did not happen.When the French first arrived they used the natives as slaves and the natives would attack French towns and the French would attack back.
When studying history we should always stick to the facts and not make up or leave out parts because it conflicts with our romantic version of what we would like to have happened.
@ryan84160 you obviously don't know history. French were not perfect, they served their own interest. But they have been able to establish treaty, economic and social alliance with the big majority of the natives in N.America. Anyways I believe Canadian and American have no right to make us lecture about the natives, look at yourself. Historicly New-France was paradize compared to British North America, but it was obviously a shity and corrupted world according to our 2010's standard.
@Patriote17 You have a very distorted view of history my friend. France was a European colonial power and they served their own interest as you said. Everywhere else on earth where the French went the native population was treated appallingly and they rebelled against the French in China, India, Africa,Indochina and Haiti.When it comes to slave colonies in the Americas Haiti was the absolute worst of the worst.
@ryan84160 our country is Québec, not France, I associate Canada to the British because it is the residu of the British empire, because the Queen is still the head of state of Canada. I don't associate the USA to the British. Canadian fighted during the Boers war and contributed to te concentration camps there. Quebecer did not fight arround the world in the name of France, we don't care about France. We probably would have rebelled against them just like the USA rebelled against the British...
@Patriote17 But the "nation" of Quebec was founded by French people from France,so you still have not answered my question. I am probably one of the most strong republicans in all of Canada. I despise the very idea of royalty and monarchy. However, Canada is NOT Britain, the Queen is the Queen of 16 different countries individually.
@ryan84160 Québec have absolutly no link with France since 1759, but Canada is British federation, a constitutional monarchy, the Queen of England is the head of states of Canada and commander in chief of the Canadian army. Canada is part of the commonwealth, residu of the British empire. You associate us with France for racial reason, I associate Canada to Britain for political reason.
@Patriote17 Are you fucking dense?I never associated Quebec with France ever.I said that New France WAS a French colony.
Yes,she is the head of state of Canada(hopefully for not too much longer),but she has virtually no power to do anything at all.The commonwealth of nations is not the British empire.It is a volountary organization of members of the former British empire.The vast majority of it members are republics.It is similar to La Francophonie which is made up mostly former French colonies
@Patriote17 Why are we expected to believe that everywhere else on the earth the French colonial empire expanded into it was nothing but slavery,exploitation and imperialism, but when it comes to New France we are expected to believe it was a relative paradise on earth? Could it be that you are just viewing history through nationalistic/romantic lenses ?
@Patriote17 How the fuck did you come to the conclusion that I am a Canadian nationalist ? I would really like to know. You are just making accusation without supporting it with a shred of evidence.
@ryan84160 you seem to oppose Québec independence for Canadian naitonalist reason. If you would not be a Canadian nationalist, you would not care if Québec become independent. You don't live in Québec, but you oppose our independence because it would destroy your beautifull Canada. American don't care if we become independent, it change nothing to the USA.
@Patriote17 How can I be a Canadian nationalist when I don't even believe that Canada is a Nation ? Canada is simply a country that is a federation, that consists of many different nations, many different ethnicities, from all over the world. If a majority of Quebecers wanted to leave and become a country, I wouldnt lose any sleep as I don't attach my identity to the flag of Canada. It is ONLY nationalism the I oppose weather it is Black,Arab, Jewish,White, Quebec or American Jingoism.
@ryan84160 I respect you. You are intelligent enough to understand that Canada is a federation composed of different nations. The majority of Canadians do not seem to understand that. They see Canada as an english nation, they are proud of their flag, their symbol, ect. Many Canadians say, "We" defeated "You" on the plain. I heard that many time, they associate themselves to past British crime. Truth is British invaded the old "Canada" and commited crime against the "Canadiens".
@Patriote17 These types of people are completely and utterly fucking retarded and I oppose them just as much as I do any other type of nationalist. First why would associate yourself with imperialism? And second it is the mark of an very weak minded individual to claim the glory of an event in which they had absolutely NOTHING do with.
@ryan84160 it is impossible to be a Québec nationalist and a Canadian federalist at the same time, the Québec nation is not really defended whitin Canada. You are suppose to respect and defend the nations of Canada. Also you try to include all nation of this earth wihtin the federation. Multiculturalism is a failure. Quebecers are a nation, we have a language and culture to protect, immigrant, American, Chinese, ect, ect, have to adapt to our language and culture if they want to live in Québec.
@Patriote17 Why would want to be any type nationalist is beyond me.
I always hear people talk about how multiculturalism is a failure and I just never understand why they say this. When you say that immigrants" must adopt our culture", what exactly do you mean ? Can Italian immigrants not practise Italian culture cook Italian food open Italian restaurants ? Can Chinese immigrants not listen to traditional Mandarin music or cook Cantonese food ?
@Patriote17 I don't know you would want to be any type of nationalist. I am a humanist, humanism and nationalism are just about as opposite as you can get in my opinion. As Albert Einstein once brilliantly put it, "nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind".
@Patriote17 What do you mean when you say that immigrants "must adopt our culture" Can an Italian immigrant not have any Italian culture or open and Italian food restaurant ? Can a Chinese immigrant not speak Mandarin or Cantonese listen to traditional Chinese music or cook Chinese food ? As long as they respect human rights and the law, why do you have a right to tell people they must conform to your view of what the culture should be ?
@Patriote17 In my town every year we have a multicultural festival. People play their traditional music and dace and cook ethnic food and other things like this. Would you be opposed to people doing these things and if so would you actually use the force of law to ban people form doing things? If you are not opposed to these things, then what do you mean by "multiculturalism" ?
@ryan84160 I speak français, english and español. I have a lot of respect for other people culture. but I know if the immigrant don't try to adapt to Québec language and culture, they will isolate themselves. This have nothing to do with cultural festival, we want immigrant to learn french and to go in french school. They can speak their language, share their culture and cook their food, but we want them to respect Québec language and culture.
@Patriote17 But that is not multiculturalism, at least not how I see it. Multiculturalism to me means anyone has the right keep their any aspect of their culture they wish as long as it is not illegal( honour killing). We must not forgot that European languages and cultures are also immigrant cultures in this land. We do not have the right to tell people they must change everything to become exactly like us.
@Patriote17 However, I don't think that multiculturalism should mean that people of different cultures should have special rules applied only to them. Recently the Quebec NA did not allow some Sikh men to enter the building with their traditional kirpan knives. I think this is absolutely justified. This is obviously for public safety reasons and it should apply to everyone equally.
@ryan84160 I hate nationalist hypocrite like you who claim to be anti-nationaist. You are a English-Canadian nationalist, why do you want Canada to be a distinct country from to the United States. You are not distinct from the American, you are only independent because you love to kiss the queen ass, because you are British Nationalist! Ethnic nationalism? I am of Métis origin, so fuck you! Our nation is base on language and culture not on race it is you the racist who hate the French...
@Patriote17 "why do you want Canada to be a distinct" Why are you putting words in my fucking mouth ?
Canada and the U.S.A have a lot of things in common and some things that are different.
The word "distinct" is such an arbitrary bullshit word. Every place on the earth has distinction and similarities with other nations. Is Wallonia not distinct from France ? yes it is . Does it also have a lot in common with France. Yes it does.
@Patriote17 "you love to kiss the queen ass" When did I ever say I supported the monarchy ? I am republican.
You are so fucking retarded. Ethnicity is not race. Ethnicity and Nation are from the same root word and mean almost exactly the same thing. Hispanic is an ethnicity. there are black, white,native and mestizo Hispanics. Francophone Quebecers are an ethnicity, therefore you are an ethnic nationalist.
@ryan84160 Natives are not tourist or stangers, they are not part of the Quebecers nation, why? Because they have their own nations, they are the first nations and they obviously have special right. Like I said when english speak about the natives it is because they have no argument, you Canadian and American fucking whiped them out, it was a genocide. It is not us who created the reservation. Like I said you are not in a position to make us lesson about the natives...
@Patriote17 I am fully aware of how the natives were treated under the British and Americans, However I do not share even 1 % of the responsibility. Neither do you or any other Quebecer share the responsibility of using natives or blacks as slaves.
@ryan84160 you imposed the english language and culture on us for hundreds of years and now you dare criticizing us only because we want to protect our language and culture. What Canada do in Québec, is economic, social and cultural imperialism!
@Patriote17 I am not defending anything the British did, why can you not understand this ? If it is wrong for the british to impose their language on you it is wrong for you to impose your language on anyone else. It is that simple. You can not use the argument of "well the British did it to us in the past".
@ryan84160 it is our right to impose the french language on immigrants. We welcome them in a place were they can have have a lot of social service, free health care, free eduction, we only ask that they learn our language, we don't oppress them. Law 101 is only for signalisaiton and public school, people can speak the language they want. All Québec public school teach the english language anyways. I started learning english at school when I was 8 years old.
@ryan84160 when I say "we were invaded", I speak about the Quebecers people, my ancestors included, I speak about us as a Nation. I did not say that I was invaded personnaly. It is like if a French say, we French people were invaded by the Nazi. Would you call him stupid? French were invaded by the nazi it is an historical fact. Saying that is not stupidity.
@Patriote17 Of course there are still many people alive that were ACTUALLY invaded by the Nazis.Even still, the people of Germany can not be held responsible for this. A so called "nation" can not be guilty of anything. Only individuals within the so called "nation".
@ryan84160 shut up dude. Nation like individual are always held responsable for their crime. That does not means the nation must be judged and punished, but it will always be held responsable...
@ryan84160 do you know why nation like individual are always held responsable for their crime? Because if your nation commit a crime, it is your duty to try to stop it. Those who do not try to stop the crime of their nation are accomplice of the crime, even if they do not take part in the crime direcly...
@Patriote17 We don't put the son of a murderer in prison for the crimes his father committed. The son is 100% innocent. He is a completely new individual and is in no way connected to what his father did.
You might as well get pissed off at the Italians for invading and conquering your Celtic Gaulish ancestors during the Roman times.
@ryan84160 I do not care about those old war, France is free and independant now, Québec is not. I have nothing against english people, I respect those who support our cause and I hate those who don't, it is political not racial. English people who live in Québec speak french and support our independence are my brothers.
@Patriote17" English people who live in Québec speak french and support our independence are my brothers." but they cant be part of your "nation".
"France is free and independant " What about the Corsicans, the Catalans, the Basques ,the Occitans, the Bretons, the French Flemish? are all these people "free and independent "?
@ryan84160 you are really stupid. I support the Corsicans, the Basques, the Bretons, ect, you presume to much. If I consider the English who live in Québec, speak french and support our independence as my brothers, logicly I also consider them as part of the Québec Nation. Honestly you have no argument.
@ryan84160 Canada is not a real country, it is a British federation, the Queen of England is the head of state of Canada. You have no right to be in the Army or make politic in Canada if you don't swear alligeance to the Queen of England. Canada is the residue of the British empire. It means you are the same nation who invaded us and annexed us in the past. It is the only reason we are part of Canada, because the British annexed us by force!
@Silentsam7532 I agree with you. I'm tried
Of these Liberal appointed judges here in Canada. My cousin had a man beat the crap
Out of him. Got on top of him looked him in
The eye and said I'm going to kill you and then stabbed him. He's lucky to be alive. The Liberal judge gave him 18 months.
Scottish036 1 month ago
Secession is illegal under the constitution of Canada, but it's been used as a FRONT for decades to replace Confederation by force with the system of the NWO, which is the European Union system. Google this -- 'Sarkozy Scamming Quebec's Hoodwinked Separatists HCC'
crazyforcanada 2 months ago
@crazyforcanada - like all the traitors before him, Harper has never denounced the criminally illegal sitting & voting of separatists in our Parliament and Legislatures (i.e., necessarily all under void oaths), because they are a TOOL used as a FRONT by the Fed which is controlled by Power Corporation and others who are dictating the integration-annexation of Canada into the NAU. They need the 'separatists' as a PRETEXT to politically dismantle Canada once the integration is done!
crazyforcanada 2 months ago
What a hypocrite. Harper is using millions of federal tax dollars to finance radical communists (who originated radical separatists) in Quebec. Google this -- "RED" HARPER? CANADA'S FED FINANCING QUEBEC RADICAL COMMUNISTS
crazyforcanada 2 months ago
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One thing you can be sure of....Harper is a FASCIST.
TheSilverWatch 3 months ago
Vote NDP=a vote or Conservatives?I voted for NDP(Jack Layton R.I.P)because we need a change for in Canada and move on forward.How can we do that with Harper's majority government?Harper is going to do what ever the hell he want's to do with Canada and we as Canadian's can't do anything about any new law's that he seem's fit to propose.Crime in Canada is at it's lowest and he want's to make these new bill's and spend "Billion's" on the" WAR on DRUG's".Canada will feel the pinch real soon.
milkboner666 3 months ago 3
What a great game of D&D they all play. And isn't it cool how they awarded Snake Face and his minions a majority government. It would have been even cooler if nobody had voted back in May and he was STILL awarded a majority government. Now that's a game of D&D. Brush the wool out of your eyes people.
millicentbistander 3 months ago
HARPER IS BAD!!!
milkman981 5 months ago
C mon you guys, Harper may not be the best prime minister but liberals and NDP voters have to admit he is far more liberal than conservatives in the US.
He is okay in a lot of ways and at least is making sure we have a stable economy in midst of a recession.
johanexxxx 5 months ago
harper is NWO scum
kellyjplante71 5 months ago 14
I really can't stress enough that, at this time in parliament FUCKING SEPARATISTS had 3rd party status. You don't like Harper?..... then SHUT THE FUCK UP and go join your god damn Liberal/Separatists friends you political invalid!
Defiant2379 6 months ago
@Defiant2379 its funny because the people behind harper are the people behind the seperatists, problem reaction solution. order out of chaos, we are being invaded.
mothman64 6 months ago
People hate Harper for practically no reason. He may not be the greatest Prime Minister, but he's well-spoken, he does know what he's talking about (even if you don't agree with it), and he's been willing to work with the other parties, but no one has ever wanted to work with him. Ever.
And he's the only one that gives a damn about our military. For fucks sake, their budget has only doubled since WW2. That's pathetic! So many casualties could have been avoided if they spent more. Fucking asshats
AngryIntellectual 6 months ago
@AngryIntellectual Most of the lashes on Harper are mindless. Their are some policies i do not agree with too. But when these people rave they do not say why they are mad.. they just call him a war monger because he is replacing rusted out military equipment... lol. Canada is the 10th richest nation on the planet to spend 30 billion out of 1.4 trillion a year on defense is peanuts and yet people still go nuts?? Spain, even Australia spends more.. they are not warmongers...
Baseshocks 1 month ago
@AngryIntellectual Canada is its own nation, we do not need to keep behind the U.S, Proper defense spending for us and our allies Dutch, Australia, New Zealand etc.. Harper has banned corporate and union donations to political party's he limited personal donations to $1100 for one person to stop corruption. Changing rules that senate members have to be voted in... after all this people call him a fascist and corporate controlled? These people who rant are fucking slow....
Baseshocks 1 month ago
what a douche.
ssizzlejr 6 months ago
Divide and conquer. Those with eyes see what has been done to us ... what we did and continue to do to ourselves.
Independent0bserver 7 months ago
Fascism is as gentle as denying a comment on a youtube video. Or as violent as dealing with protesters at the G20 in Toronto. Or in the case of Net Neutrality, Corporations like Bell Canada, Rogers, Shaw, Videotron, even small Co-op telcos operations like Quadro Communications in Kirkton Ontario can fool around with reality to suit there Corporate Fascist purposes. We really need to address the problem of Corporate Fascism in Canada. To do this we MUST HAVE Proportional Representation.
Forgineers 8 months ago in playlist 88 years old stand - up to the Harper Government
HMMM...
Look at who is wrong.
The anti-Canadians, block, are nearly dead.
Liberals got bitch slapped.
Ragging brainwashed dumb ass know-nothing kids voted NDP.
The intelligent won the election. And they voted for Harper.
TheCreatorOf4 8 months ago 2
And a majority is what we got! Maybe this is the way to go....no more sqawking in the sand box.
68buickwildcat 9 months ago
Bye Bye Iggy, back to America where you belong.
I was hoping for liberals to rule over Canada and continue there SponsorShip Scandals again whilst they blame everyone else bar their own for massive corruption.
Maybe that civil war would come sooner then and we could kick out the third world and all foreign interests that now own Canada, like 85% of the media belonging to American mega corps and all being hardcore left propaganda.
Or how the left sold all our resources to China
CelticAngloPress 9 months ago 8
@CelticAngloPress Stupid stupid stupid. Fact check some shit next time. 85% comes from where? no where because its not true. also selling our resources to china??? we have a NAFTA agreement that says we must sell 51% off our oil to the united fucking states. get your shit straight
maxxmatt11 9 months ago
@CelticAngloPress
You're a fucking idiot. Canada's has been at its absolute BEST financially under the liberals. They erased a $42 billion debt and built up a huge surplus for Canada's economy--that is, until Harper was elected. Canada is facing it's worst deficit in history. It definitely doesn't seem like all that "hardcore left propaganda" is working, because evidently there are more right-wing Harper nuthuggers than anyone had anticipated.
ChrisnSnoop 8 months ago
@ChrisnSnoop
Actually, the deficit is far from the largest in history. As of April , it is about 2% of GDP (adjusted relative to the size of the economy, rather than the nominal amount which is virtually meaningless). The Liberal Party is dead, I would rather take the Harper Conservatives over tax and spend Jack. You criticize Harper for cutting programs (which he hasn't if you read the budget), yet complain he can't balance the budget when the other parties are pushing for more spending.
edmoil12 8 months ago
@edmoil12
Ummm, funny thing is Harper has been outspending the Liberals, mainly due to the pointless and futile war in Afghanistan. He also wants to spend $29 billion on fighter jets (it may not say this amount on the budget but this is the approximate cost it will take to purchase and maintain said jets). Also, you're wrong--the deficit IS the largest in Canadian history. We're talking actual amount here, not percentages.
ChrisnSnoop 8 months ago
@ChrisnSnoop
"the deficit IS the largest in Canadian history. We're talking actual amount here, not percentages."
By making that statement, you are comparing the value of money today to money in the past, and they are not the same and need to be adjusted. Using the nominal deficit is useless, because inflation will always lead to perpetually larger surpluses and deficits. By using nominal amounts, you are arguing that a dollar today is equal to a dollar in 1950 or 1900, which is incorrect.
edmoil12 8 months ago
@edmoil12
Your statement on the deficit and inflation, etc. is a good point though. I concede to that.
ChrisnSnoop 8 months ago
@edmoil12 even if you take inflation into account the deficit today still heavily outweighs deficits in previous decades
suchafool990 8 months ago
@edmoil12
I blame Harper for cutting programs (which he has if you read the long list of programs he has cut...) while simultaneously wasting our tax dollars on arms spending and funding the war in Afghanistan. That's what I blame him for. I'm sure it'd be a lot easier to balance the budget if we weren't out in the Middle East shooting brown people, don't you think? Government spending is much higher than the Liberals who preceded him, and yet cuts are being made to social programs Why is that
ChrisnSnoop 8 months ago
@ChrisnSnoop
"Government spending is much higher than the Liberals who preceded him, and yet cuts are being made to social programs"
That is an oxymoron, you can criticize Harper for spending too much or not enough, but not both. That's like saying something is too tall, and also too short. Pick one and you will make a lot more sense. If you don't like him for how he allocates spending, then that's another story altogether.
edmoil12 8 months ago
@edmoil12
That's an oxymoron because...? I was actually criticizing how he allocates spending, lol. But, just to make the discussion a little more interesting, I'll venture to say that I CAN criticize Harper for spending too much if he's spending too much on the wrong thing. Not only that, but he's spending more altogether than the Liberals who preceded him--the same Liberals who DIDN'T make as many cuts to social programs. Maintaining one is a lot cheaper than the other, it seems.
ChrisnSnoop 8 months ago
@edmoil12
"That is an oxymoron, you can criticize Harper for spending too much or not enough, but not both."
How is it an oxymoron to complain about Harper wasting too much money on all the WRONG things while not spending any money whatsoever on things that actually matter? Do you even know what the word oxymoron is, or is it something you heard someone smart use once?
InexplicableHat 8 months ago
@CelticAngloPress Except he's teaching in the University of Toronto. Or is Toronto part of America now?
capefeather 5 months ago
@capefeather
Hes also lived in America and much of his connections and allegiance is there, no one said Toronto was part of America but if you have seen the ethnic make up and cultural degeneracy and backwardness and incredibly extreme and rising migrant crime rate.
Soon New Yorker will be saying "Hey this place is getting like Toronto".
Also reread what was said, and everyone else, watch the liberal inherently dishonest brain at work.
Also no the Neo Cons are just as much a cancer as the Libs
CelticAngloPress 5 months ago
@CelticAngloPress Maybe when you learn to start making sense in writing, I'll come back to you on whatever the hell you just said :)
capefeather 5 months ago
@capefeather
Oh I'm sure, of course, back to you dwindling cave of heathens liberal degenerate, or w/e third world shithole you where spat out of.
CelticAngloPress 5 months ago
not sure if serious
capefeather 5 months ago
@capefeather Harper threatened revenge on Parliament and slagged most of our population, I don't consider that a joke.
BoredomCorner 2 months ago
@BoredomCorner Oh, that comment was in response CeltinAngloPress. Looking at his profile he seems to be some kind of white supremacist...
capefeather 2 months ago
@BoredomCorner what revenge? do you have a link....
Baseshocks 1 month ago
@CelticAngloPress Wow and Conservatives wonder why they're called intolerant fundies?
BoredomCorner 2 months ago
@CelticAngloPress Funny, you sure talk like a Neo-Con.
BoredomCorner 2 months ago
@BoredomCorner
Both "New Left" and "Neo Cons" are Marxists/Trotskyites and warmongers/degenerates.
learn2history.
CelticAngloPress 2 months ago
@CelticAngloPress Iggy was our best candidate. He was in no way American and the conservatives did a good job of pushing that bullshit on the people.
Iggy spent far more of his career in Europe than America. Just teaching in other countries doesn't make you less Canadian though.
Iggy was the best educate with the best ideas. He was the least invovled with big buisness.
Instead we put the puppet of America, and big buisness, in a majority government. Harper is the worst thing that could happen.
Silentsam7532 3 months ago 4
@Silentsam7532 Iggy are you fucking madd or just a liberal lover... did you ever watch him in the house of commons.. fighting and arguing over nothing, even Jack would agree for what he thought was right... Iggy would just fight it because he can.. he had no stance..
Baseshocks 1 month ago
@Baseshocks He was the most educated person running at the time. I wil admit I knew little else besides that about him.
My main reason for supporting him were his education level and his experience abroad. I also found that there was no good attacks against him. The only attacks were trying to make him sound pro-American and un-Canadian, when history showed something quite different. he spent most of his time in Europe.
Harper is just a nightmare. He is ruining Canada's name.
Silentsam7532 1 month ago
@Silentsam7532 How is he ruining Canada? He is the only politician to speak of Canada's Arctic since Diefenbaker. He has set trade deals with India, China and Brazil, he is promoting Canadian business to do business in other nations too not just the U.S. The budget deficit was due to the recession, the Liberals wanted him to spend a lot more then he did... He is a bit of a Doushebag at times and i do not agree with everything he does, continued.
Baseshocks 1 month ago
@Silentsam7532 But he is the best/only politician at the moment who can do the job. In what way is he ruining Canada's reputation?
Baseshocks 1 month ago
@Baseshocks When I say he I mean the conservatives as a whole of course.
First the cuts that forced them to cut monitoring of the Ozone in the arctic was a huge blow to the worlds scientific community. We gathered 60% of that data.
His policies on crime are backwards and foolish. He is wasting money on prisons. The jets are the other obvious joke.
He is too often trying to lead us to an American way though. I hate to think of Canada being more like America.
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Silentsam7532 1 month ago
@Baseshocks He has done some good things I will admit. I just feel he does more damage than good. I like dropping the long gun registry, and I like trading with Asia more. We need to have more economic freedom, and to cut our ties to that sinking rock called America.
Silentsam7532 1 month ago
no i think he didn't mention majority in public because people wouldn't understand what he means and people like this... would make stories like this one... DUH
MsPaparatz 9 months ago
@MsPaparatz It means he no longer has anything stopping him from doing anything he wants.
maxxmatt11 9 months ago
@maxxmatt11 yes but people would take it like he is going for world domination... jeez so what everyone is acting like the world is over.. it doesn't mean he isn't willing to work with other parties!! it's just that he couldn't get ANYTHING passed because the other parties were being jackass' and then on top of that complain about the budget and then force harper to be in contempt of parliament so we could have this EXPENSIVE election that took millions of $ no point. Karma now he has majority!
MsPaparatz 8 months ago
@MsPaparatz
The other parties had a right to complain about the budget. Harper has been cutting social programs left right and center, but wants to spend $29 billion on fighter jets. FIGHTER JETS. Just because he can "get things done" with a majority doesn't mean it's for the benefit of Canadians. I'd rather have him sit on his ass and do nothing until we vote someone else in next election instead of letting him turn Canada into a right-wing mini-America.
ChrisnSnoop 8 months ago
@maxxmatt11 instead now the things harper wanted to get done can get done... he's not looking to make drastic changes or anger the public... this is politics it doesn't work that way even if he wanted to he couldn't because people would get angry and the next election I'm sure he would like to stay on top not become the liberals hahaha. If he messes up he knows NDP is going to sweep the votes. he will play safe he will be a good leader. He's a smart politician he knows what's up.
MsPaparatz 8 months ago
@MsPaparatz Look at american politics, only after 8 damn years of bush did they realize they were literally being disgustingly abused. Bush has destroyed so many good policies and put so many bad ones in that it nearly because a police states. one more major attack on us soil and he probably would have declared a state of emergency and taken over the country. I dont want to see good policies and checks in our government die.
maxxmatt11 8 months ago
@MsPaparatz so why is he against gay marriage, for mandatory minimums, and against marijuana decriminalization, but rather harsher sentences? (All things the majority of canada have differing opinions on). Also, what about usage-based internet billing...........
Forgineers 8 months ago in playlist 88 years old stand - up to the Harper Government
liberals are no different than the pukes in the big picture.
11ts11 9 months ago
anyone that votes conservative is a bigget and thinks anyone that isn't rich is a piece of shit. ndp need there chance 144 years of the conservatives and the liberals is enough
mmmford 9 months ago 2
I've been looking for this clip for a while now! The dictator in him comes out through his body language (usually we just see it in his words and actions.)
Neurolanis 9 months ago 2
MsPaparatz - assuming the Ms = woman - how could you - or any woman vote for the party that has decimated women's rights, defunded everything to do with women's safety, AND killed pay equity legislation?
No woman - and no parent of a girl child - should even consider voting for the CON ...I do not understand how one could even consider it.
flitcsa 9 months ago
what a douche.
drvibes05 9 months ago
I disagree with the annotation at the end of the video. The NDP is ahead of the Liberals in support now. So now it's more like a vote for the Liberals = a vote for the Conservatives.
KasumiRouge 9 months ago
Harper is the furthest thing from Canadian, you are very misinformed don't believe the shit that spews from his mouth do your own research. He is selling Canada out piece by piece, he sells off all our resources, he wants to destroy health care,
frankevans84 9 months ago
Vote harper.... he is real he reps canada ... he is canadian and proud canadian. You can argue any gov sucks truth is im happy with harper he got us through a huge recession, he is as real as a politician can be. I seen LAYTON and IGNATEIF tonight on tv dressing up in cultural stuff to kiss ass for votes then i see harper in a canadian jacket no gimics tellin it like it is whether ur black white brown chinese.... gimics are so pathetic! BE REAL! or get lost! HARPER <3 <3 <3
MsPaparatz 9 months ago
It's wonderfully hilarious that Liberal supporters could think that this makes their case. You're resorting to dropping made up inflammatory "quotes" on the video because he's not saying anything wrong. Beautiful. Then you proceed with the arrogant entitlement of NDP support. (Who are now leading the Liberals in some polls thereby reversing the logic) Voting Liberal? Don't throw your vote away!! I wish every Canadian would watch this critically. Fail.
MisterFusion113 9 months ago
WOW..As a American citizen immune to the Nazi like Propaganda and subversion of the voters opiions I feel both Frightened yet also relieved. We are not alone in the B.S. The Claiming Liberals are Socialists? Communists and??Space Aliens from the Planet Zoltran (I cannot verify that accusation but I assure you it will eventually be made.In a Time where our Economy falls,the Elected by MAObama Won with a large Majority,and they still Block Progress and blame it on the Black man.Its depressing
DepressionTested 9 months ago
He sounds like a tyrant. Under the cover of privacy he always gives his true intentions a walk and it is always frightening. It seems that for most Canadians, the main issue in the election is a healthy economy which they believe overrides everything else (including our freedoms and care for each other,). I hope Canadians aren't as shallow and unengaged as the rest of the world continues to remind us all. Sometimes the truth hurts.
cliflejeune 9 months ago
If you haven't read Lawrence Martin's book, "Harperland: The Politics of Control," you must before you vote. Mr. Martin provides a portrait of a controlling and secretive man who has been quietly changing our political system in ways most Canadians would find shocking. Get a copy of this book in audio from Post Hypnotic Press's web site today!
PostHypnoticPress 9 months ago
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For a while- due to our PM's calm and cool temperament (High EQ) I have argued that he needs to generate the 'feeling' that he wants the role as PM and now even further- a majority government. I believe this is the first time I have tapped into that much prayed for energy on this clip. It's normal, sane, and the right thing to want, be intrinsically infused with unction to insist, and must be publically verbalized again and again. If he didn't insist this I would think- "Where's the passion?"
KamVanH 9 months ago
For a while- due to our PM's calm and cool temperament (High EQ) I have argued that he needs to generate the 'feeling' that he wants the role as PM and now even further- a majority government. I believe this is the first time I have tapped into that much prayed for energy on this clip. It's normal, sane, and the right thing to want, be intrinsically infused with unction to insist, and must be publically verbalized again and again. If he didn't insist this I would think- "Where's the passion?"
KamVanH 9 months ago
I do not agree completely with any of the Parties, but I'll vote for Harper over Layton, Ignatieff, or Duceppe. The opposition has now forced a fourth election in seven years. Canada declared it wanted Harper in as Prime minister three times. The opposition needs to realize Canada does not want more elections! We want the opposition to wait it's turn and support the government that is currently in power.
redrosegirl1994 9 months ago
@redrosegirl1994 I find it funny that you think there is a diff between Harper and Ignatieff, their both just puppets who's only goal is to get one or the other of them into office .... imagine you're watching a puppet show and at the end of the show you have to say which puppet you liked better, which is all moot because both puppets are at the end of the strings of the same puppet master
Jesusplant 9 months ago
The NDP is the only party that truly represents Canadian Working class people. the Liberals have brought in Michael Ignatieff from the US because the Americains want to make sure that no mater what way the ellection goes (Harper or Ignatieff) they will control the Canadian gvt. and we all know who realy controls the US gvt. The NDP is our only hope to keeping Canada Canada!!!
MARKDASHARK41 9 months ago
@MARKDASHARK41 you hypocrite tell us the Québec sovereignty is unimportant, but you defend Canada sovereignty. Canadian government control Québec govenrment! We don't want that! We don't want American to control us and we don't want Canadian to control us. We want freedom and independence, we want to be master of our own destiny. You obviously can't understand that, for this reason Canada deserve to be annexed into the USA. Just so you understand how we Quebecers feel...
Patriote17 9 months ago
@Patriote17 How can you use the word "we" ? Replace the word "we" with "some of us".
ryan84160 9 months ago
So what's the problem? Of course he wants a majority! Every party running wants a majority. He has a philosophy and an agenda that more support support than an other agenda, and that is why he is Prime Minister. And, every policy change that he has advanced in this country has been with the support of other parties. That's how it works in this Parliament. And all the polls seem to indicate that support for his leadership is growing, not diminishing. Personally, I hope he gets a majority!
tpaull 9 months ago
good thing hes a minority
raykid1 9 months ago
I don't care if Harper get a majority, he is hated in Québec, if he is elected it will help the separatist cause. I support the Bloc Québécois. Vive le Québec Libre!
Patriote17 9 months ago
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Freethinker12341 9 months ago
@Patriote17 yea....that's all canada needs, a dangerous french canadian nationalist/separatist movement. it's pure nationalism! admit it. its dangerous and unnecessary, the majority of canadians love quebec and love its unique French heritage culture. i LOVE it! but thats my point, it practically IS a whole other country already....no need to separate unless you're a nationalist or a racist, or you don't like people because they speak different language than you!
Freethinker12341 9 months ago
@Freethinker12341 if you think Canada should be a distinct country from the USA, you are a racist! Independence is dangerous and unecessary. The USA have the same language and culture as you. You don't need to be a distinct country unless you are a British nationalist or a racist. If the majority of the people in America vote for war, you have no choice to follow! They are more then you, they decide, it's democracy. You are not a distinct nation, you have no right! Accept it! (sarcasm)
Patriote17 9 months ago
@Patriote17 If the majority of people in a independent Quebec voted for something, but the people of lets say the majority of sept isles did not support it ? Should Sept Iles form an independent country ? Or is that just how democracy works ?
ryan84160 9 months ago
@ryan84160 friend you do not seem to understand that we Quebecers are a disinct nation with a distinct language, culture and history. Historicly we have been invaded and annexed by force. Our people never voted to be part of the Canadian federation. The people of Sept-îles are not a distinct nation, they do not see themselves as such. Beside there is a big difference between a city of 25,000 people and a Nation of 8 millions.
Patriote17 9 months ago
@Patriote17 No, YOU were not invaded by anyone. Some of your ancestor may have been, but your ancestors are also guilty of annexing land by force for the French colonial empire. So if ,hypothetically,Sept-iles did decide to become independent this would not be legitimate ? A nation is an arbitrarily defined, imaginary community.
ryan84160 9 months ago
@ryan84160 the English invaded us, slaughtered almost half our population, deported the Acadians. They send blanket infested with smallpox to our natives ally to exterminate them! We resisted the invasion during 7 years, in a war that you English named "French and Indian war". Because 90% of Natives American were ally with us, I am myself a Métis! Québec have been invaded and annexed by force. You want us to foget history only because your ancestors commited crime against mankind! Fuck You!
Patriote17 9 months ago
@Patriote17 YOU were not invaded by anyone!! NO single person is alive that can say they were invaded by the english. "We resisted" YOU didn't do a goddamn thing! " Québec have been invaded and annexed by force" Yes, true but New France was invaded and annexed by the French who then used the natives as slaves and imported African slaves.
ryan84160 9 months ago
@Patriote17 "your ancestors committed crime against mankind"everyone person on the earth has millions of ancestors, I am pretty sure at least some of them have committed crimes. However my ancestors did not do anything to your ancestors as I am 3/4 Irish and 1/4 French. Even if I was of English ancestry, who the fuck cares ? People are NOT responsible for what their ancestors did.
ryan84160 9 months ago
@ryan84160 you said our people were never invaded by anyone. Just admit the fact that the English invaded us, deported the Acadian and exterminated the Natives! Admit it! If you refuse to admit it or try to deffend what the British did, I will associate you to their crime whatever your origin. You are Irish but you defend a British imperialist system wich make you British! Vive le Québec Lire!
Patriote17 9 months ago
@Patriote17 Either you don't understand English or you are blatantly fucking retarded. I never said Britain did not do these things. I never defended anything any colonial power has done be it British,Dutch,Spanish,French,Portuguese,French,Belgian,Italian,Japan or any other country. I am of mostly Irish ancestry, the English did some horrible things to my ancestors in the past , but I would have to be a special find of retard to hold the British responsible today.
ryan84160 9 months ago
@ryan84160 friend you clearly said that we were never invaded by anyone. We were invaded by the British, it is an historical fact. Irish who live in Ireland still hold the British responsable. They fighted the British in 1916-1921, they established the Irish republic. The IRA is still active in N.Ireland. Truth is, the Irish are 100x more violent and extremist right now then us Quebecers. IRA blew up a bomb yesterday, they killed 2 police officers last weak...
Patriote17 9 months ago
@Patriote17 You are so fucking stupid. I did not say that New France was not invaded, I said that YOU or any other person alive today was not invaded by anyone. "The IRA is still active in N.Ireland." Yes, and they are irrational,nationalistic terrorists. I would be careful about justifying your own irrational nationalism by pointing the the IRA.
ryan84160 9 months ago
@ryan84160 I speak about the IRA because you speak like if the Irish are perfect being who do not hold the British responsable. Irish people are more violent then Quebecers right now, FLQ is death in Québec, IRA is not death in Ireland. So don't use the Irish as an exemple of kindness and forgiveness. They obviously still hold a grudge against the British, they were invaded in the 1000's and they are not oppresed right now, but they still commit terrorist act...
Patriote17 9 months ago
@Patriote17 When did I say the Irish are perfect ? You are putting words in my mouth left right and center. I was speaking only about my self as a person of Irish ancestry. "they were invaded in the 1000's and they are not oppresed right now, but they still commit terrorist act..." When you use the word "they" it makes it seem like you are saying all Irish people. This is a tiny percentage of Irish people that use terrorism.
ryan84160 9 months ago
@ryan84160 ok now I am tired of writing in english, learn french, then we'll talk...
Patriote17 9 months ago
@Patriote17 I think you have no argument. You might as well get pissed at your French self for using your native ancestors as slaves. Anyone that attaches his/her identity to something as vaguely defined as a "nation" is a very weak individual.
ryan84160 9 months ago
@Patriote17 And English Quebecers obviously don't share the language,history,culture or ancestry, so they could never be apart of your "nation",
ryan84160 9 months ago
@ryan84160 no, by defintion a nation is a group of people who share similar language and culture. A nation and a state is not the same thing. Québec is not a nation, Quebecers people are a nation. I should have said part of the Quebecers nation. We want Québec to become a Nation-State. We are already a nation inside the Canadian federation. To be part of our nation, of our people, you must speak our language and respect our cutture. If you don't you are a stranger or a tourist.
Patriote17 9 months ago
@Patriote17 Quebec would never ever ever be a nation state, Quebec is made up of many so called nations just as France is.
ryan84160 9 months ago
@ryan84160 unfortunatly this is not up to you to decide. Your opinion on Québec independence is completly irrelevant, even if 100% of you English-Canadian would oppose Québec independence, it would not stop us...
Patriote17 9 months ago
Why "must" they speak the language ? This is cultural imperialism being imposed on the people that lived there before the French arrived. If a native can only speak his/her native language then he is a stanger of tourist in his/her own land? This is nothing but nationalistic supremacism.
ryan84160 9 months ago
@ryan84160 cultural imperialism? You are hilarious. 95% of the country on this earth practice what you call cultural imperialism. Few country practice multiculturalism! it is not my problem if you Canadian have absolutly no distinct culture. We in Québec have a distinct language and culture, we will deffend it. Beside you should stop trying to speak in natives name, I am Métis and I say Fuck You! Canada commited a lot of crime against the natives, you are not in a position to make us lesson.
Patriote17 9 months ago
@Patriote17 "95% of the country on this earth practice what you call cultural imperialism." So that makes it right ? Because 95% of the worlds population does something automatically makes it right ? Is this really your argument ?
"Beside you should stop trying to speak in natives name, I am Métis and I say Fuck You! " I am not trying to speak for natives,I am sure natives have thousands of different opinions.I am simply telling you what happened and the fact isthe French used them as slaves.
ryan84160 9 months ago
@ryan84160 French were ally with 90% of the natives of N.America, they signed treaty, forged alliance and they even intermarried. Some French obviously had black or Iroquois slaves, Iroquois had French slaves too. Iroquois were enemy. My point is that the French didn't put their natives allies into slavery. French free all the Iroquois slaves they had during the great peace of 1701. Beside the majority of the slaves in New France were own by the catholic church. The church is not "the French".
Patriote17 9 months ago
@Patriote17 Because some French intermarried is hardly an argument that the natives were not porrly treated by the French. The Spanish inter married in MUCH larger numbers than the French did, but no one in their right mind would say this is evidence the natives were treated well by the Spanish.
If the Church (which was made up of French people) can not be called the French, then the British crown can not be called the "English".
ryan84160 9 months ago
@ryan84160 French never betray their ally, they never settle on a land whitout treaty, they never exterminated a native nation. Spanish exterminated many nation, french did not do that, The church is a big and independent organisation composed of French, Irish, Italian, Spanish, ect. The church cannot be associated to one nation. English crown can easily be associated to the English. English still support the English monarchy.
Patriote17 9 months ago
@Patriote17Most slaves were owned by the French aristocrats. Slavery was made legal in New France by Louis XIV.
ryan84160 9 months ago
@ryan84160 in 250 years of history, New France had approximately 10,000 slaves. Half were own by Natives american, so the French and catholic church barely own 5000 slaves during the 200 years of the history of New France. The historian Marcel Trudel claim there was 4185 slaves in Québec from 1534 to 1834. It is nothing compared to the millions of slaves of the United States. 1/3 of the people in the english colony were slaves, 1/10000 of the people in New France were slaves.
Patriote17 9 months ago
@Patriote17 Of course it was it nothing compared to the English southern colonies because there was not the plantation system of the south. If there was there would have been just as many slaves. The French colonial empire had absolutely no problem with slavery .
ryan84160 9 months ago
@Patriote17 My point was not to say that they had just as many. I was simply try to illustrate the point that you should not look at history through your nationalist lenses. New France was not heaven on earth where everyone got along in peace and love. There were many horrible things that went on there just as in most other places in the world.
ryan84160 9 months ago
@ryan84160 if the Canadians and the Americans have the right to be independent, Quebecers have that right too. Everybody that have eyes and ears know that Québecers are a distinct nation. We are 8 millions of people and we have the ressources and infrastructures needed to be independent.
Patriote17 9 months ago
@Patriote17 Quebec has the right to be Independent if it votes to become Independent. Although so far this has his has failed twice. I am not saying that Quebec can never become Independent, just that if it does it is based on the worst, most irrational way a person can think about his/her place in the world which is ethnic nationalism.
ryan84160 9 months ago
@Patriote17 If every people that formed a "nation" under this definition were to form a state,Europe would consist of many hundreds of tiny states. France,Spain and Italy would be split into about 20 or 30 different pieces and even Quebec would be split into multiple pieces.
ryan84160 9 months ago
@ryan84160 what you say is ridiculous...
Patriote17 9 months ago
@ryan84160 English-Canadian believe language and culture is not a reason for a people to be independent, but you believe being loyal to England and the the Queen is a reason to be indepedent from the USA. You have no logic, you people are irrational monarchist nationalist, Canada must be annexed to the United-States!
Patriote17 9 months ago
@Patriote17 Quebec shares the same language as France , so why should Quebec be Independent from France ?
"irrational monarchist nationalist" I am non of these things. I do not attach my identity to my country. I don't wave the flag. A nation is not an appropriate institution for a human being to love simply because he/she belongs to one by pure accident of birth. I have more affinity towards a Chinese person that share my beliefs than I do for a member of my own nation that does not.
ryan84160 9 months ago
@Patriote17 I am not a monarchist, quit putting words in my mouth.
ryan84160 9 months ago
@Patriote17 Why don't you answer my question? Would a native that can only speak his/her native language be considered part of your nation ?
ryan84160 9 months ago
@ryan84160 They are not part of the Québecer nation because they have their own nations, is it so hard to understand. They are the first nations. They can be part of our nation if they want, but they have their own languague and culture to protect, it is their choice and I respect it. All natives in Québec speak french anyways, few of them still speak natives language. Only the Mohawks are english speaking.
Patriote17 9 months ago
@Patriote17 So then every native nation in Quebec should have the right to sovereignty and form their own nation state right ?
"it is our right to impose the french language on immigrants." Why is it your right to impose French on immigrants? The natives did not impose native languages on the French when they were immigrants. I think they should learn French just to get along in everyday life but it is not your right to force people to do anything.
ryan84160 9 months ago
@ryan84160 if they want yes, Mohawks are already fully independent. Québec police have absolutly no authority in Mohawks reservation. However only their reservation can be independent. 10,000 people cannot make strong nation. In the past natives were ally with our people because our ancestors respected their language and culture, they were treated as equal. The French adapted to natives life. The coureur des bois are a good exemple of that.
Patriote17 9 months ago
@Patriote17 If Native nations(or any region for that matter) would have the right not separate from Quebec and form their own independent state or remain in Canada then at least you would have a logically consistent.
"they were treated as equal" You are just simply not being intellectually honest. You start with own preconceived notion of what you wished would have happened and then make up the history to conform to this.
ryan84160 9 months ago
@ryan84160 do you know how to read your own language. I said they can be independent if they want, they can declare independent the land they own now, their reservation, they can establish a govenrment and laws that we will respect. But before the best for them is to negociate for more land, estblished economic and social association with Québec. This is negociation between Québec and Natives nations. They have all the right to declare independent the land were they live and offically own.
Patriote17 9 months ago
@Patriote17 Do you know how to read ? Where did I say you did not support this ? In fact I was supporting what you said for at least being somewhat logically consistent.
ryan84160 9 months ago
@Patriote17 Your romanticised version of history where the natives and the colonizers lived in complete and utter peace and were treated as full equals simply did not happen.When the French first arrived they used the natives as slaves and the natives would attack French towns and the French would attack back.
When studying history we should always stick to the facts and not make up or leave out parts because it conflicts with our romantic version of what we would like to have happened.
ryan84160 9 months ago
@ryan84160 you obviously don't know history. French were not perfect, they served their own interest. But they have been able to establish treaty, economic and social alliance with the big majority of the natives in N.America. Anyways I believe Canadian and American have no right to make us lecture about the natives, look at yourself. Historicly New-France was paradize compared to British North America, but it was obviously a shity and corrupted world according to our 2010's standard.
Patriote17 9 months ago
@Patriote17 You have a very distorted view of history my friend. France was a European colonial power and they served their own interest as you said. Everywhere else on earth where the French went the native population was treated appallingly and they rebelled against the French in China, India, Africa,Indochina and Haiti.When it comes to slave colonies in the Americas Haiti was the absolute worst of the worst.
ryan84160 9 months ago
@ryan84160 our country is Québec, not France, I associate Canada to the British because it is the residu of the British empire, because the Queen is still the head of state of Canada. I don't associate the USA to the British. Canadian fighted during the Boers war and contributed to te concentration camps there. Quebecer did not fight arround the world in the name of France, we don't care about France. We probably would have rebelled against them just like the USA rebelled against the British...
Patriote17 9 months ago
@Patriote17 But the "nation" of Quebec was founded by French people from France,so you still have not answered my question. I am probably one of the most strong republicans in all of Canada. I despise the very idea of royalty and monarchy. However, Canada is NOT Britain, the Queen is the Queen of 16 different countries individually.
ryan84160 9 months ago
@ryan84160 Québec have absolutly no link with France since 1759, but Canada is British federation, a constitutional monarchy, the Queen of England is the head of states of Canada and commander in chief of the Canadian army. Canada is part of the commonwealth, residu of the British empire. You associate us with France for racial reason, I associate Canada to Britain for political reason.
Patriote17 9 months ago
@Patriote17 Are you fucking dense?I never associated Quebec with France ever.I said that New France WAS a French colony.
Yes,she is the head of state of Canada(hopefully for not too much longer),but she has virtually no power to do anything at all.The commonwealth of nations is not the British empire.It is a volountary organization of members of the former British empire.The vast majority of it members are republics.It is similar to La Francophonie which is made up mostly former French colonies
ryan84160 9 months ago
@Patriote17 Why are we expected to believe that everywhere else on the earth the French colonial empire expanded into it was nothing but slavery,exploitation and imperialism, but when it comes to New France we are expected to believe it was a relative paradise on earth? Could it be that you are just viewing history through nationalistic/romantic lenses ?
ryan84160 9 months ago
@ryan84160 your historical ignorance and English-Canadian nationalism is not my problem. Vive le Québec Libre! Nous Vaincrons!
Patriote17 9 months ago
@Patriote17 How the fuck did you come to the conclusion that I am a Canadian nationalist ? I would really like to know. You are just making accusation without supporting it with a shred of evidence.
ryan84160 9 months ago
@ryan84160 you seem to oppose Québec independence for Canadian naitonalist reason. If you would not be a Canadian nationalist, you would not care if Québec become independent. You don't live in Québec, but you oppose our independence because it would destroy your beautifull Canada. American don't care if we become independent, it change nothing to the USA.
Patriote17 9 months ago
@Patriote17 How can I be a Canadian nationalist when I don't even believe that Canada is a Nation ? Canada is simply a country that is a federation, that consists of many different nations, many different ethnicities, from all over the world. If a majority of Quebecers wanted to leave and become a country, I wouldnt lose any sleep as I don't attach my identity to the flag of Canada. It is ONLY nationalism the I oppose weather it is Black,Arab, Jewish,White, Quebec or American Jingoism.
ryan84160 9 months ago
@ryan84160 I respect you. You are intelligent enough to understand that Canada is a federation composed of different nations. The majority of Canadians do not seem to understand that. They see Canada as an english nation, they are proud of their flag, their symbol, ect. Many Canadians say, "We" defeated "You" on the plain. I heard that many time, they associate themselves to past British crime. Truth is British invaded the old "Canada" and commited crime against the "Canadiens".
Patriote17 9 months ago
@Patriote17 These types of people are completely and utterly fucking retarded and I oppose them just as much as I do any other type of nationalist. First why would associate yourself with imperialism? And second it is the mark of an very weak minded individual to claim the glory of an event in which they had absolutely NOTHING do with.
ryan84160 9 months ago
@ryan84160 it is impossible to be a Québec nationalist and a Canadian federalist at the same time, the Québec nation is not really defended whitin Canada. You are suppose to respect and defend the nations of Canada. Also you try to include all nation of this earth wihtin the federation. Multiculturalism is a failure. Quebecers are a nation, we have a language and culture to protect, immigrant, American, Chinese, ect, ect, have to adapt to our language and culture if they want to live in Québec.
Patriote17 9 months ago
@Patriote17 Why would want to be any type nationalist is beyond me.
I always hear people talk about how multiculturalism is a failure and I just never understand why they say this. When you say that immigrants" must adopt our culture", what exactly do you mean ? Can Italian immigrants not practise Italian culture cook Italian food open Italian restaurants ? Can Chinese immigrants not listen to traditional Mandarin music or cook Cantonese food ?
ryan84160 9 months ago
@Patriote17 I don't know you would want to be any type of nationalist. I am a humanist, humanism and nationalism are just about as opposite as you can get in my opinion. As Albert Einstein once brilliantly put it, "nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind".
ryan84160 9 months ago
@Patriote17 What do you mean when you say that immigrants "must adopt our culture" Can an Italian immigrant not have any Italian culture or open and Italian food restaurant ? Can a Chinese immigrant not speak Mandarin or Cantonese listen to traditional Chinese music or cook Chinese food ? As long as they respect human rights and the law, why do you have a right to tell people they must conform to your view of what the culture should be ?
ryan84160 9 months ago
@Patriote17 In my town every year we have a multicultural festival. People play their traditional music and dace and cook ethnic food and other things like this. Would you be opposed to people doing these things and if so would you actually use the force of law to ban people form doing things? If you are not opposed to these things, then what do you mean by "multiculturalism" ?
ryan84160 9 months ago
@ryan84160 I speak français, english and español. I have a lot of respect for other people culture. but I know if the immigrant don't try to adapt to Québec language and culture, they will isolate themselves. This have nothing to do with cultural festival, we want immigrant to learn french and to go in french school. They can speak their language, share their culture and cook their food, but we want them to respect Québec language and culture.
Patriote17 9 months ago
@Patriote17 But that is not multiculturalism, at least not how I see it. Multiculturalism to me means anyone has the right keep their any aspect of their culture they wish as long as it is not illegal( honour killing). We must not forgot that European languages and cultures are also immigrant cultures in this land. We do not have the right to tell people they must change everything to become exactly like us.
ryan84160 9 months ago 2
@Patriote17 However, I don't think that multiculturalism should mean that people of different cultures should have special rules applied only to them. Recently the Quebec NA did not allow some Sikh men to enter the building with their traditional kirpan knives. I think this is absolutely justified. This is obviously for public safety reasons and it should apply to everyone equally.
ryan84160 9 months ago 2
@ryan84160 I hate nationalist hypocrite like you who claim to be anti-nationaist. You are a English-Canadian nationalist, why do you want Canada to be a distinct country from to the United States. You are not distinct from the American, you are only independent because you love to kiss the queen ass, because you are British Nationalist! Ethnic nationalism? I am of Métis origin, so fuck you! Our nation is base on language and culture not on race it is you the racist who hate the French...
Patriote17 9 months ago
@Patriote17 "why do you want Canada to be a distinct" Why are you putting words in my fucking mouth ?
Canada and the U.S.A have a lot of things in common and some things that are different.
The word "distinct" is such an arbitrary bullshit word. Every place on the earth has distinction and similarities with other nations. Is Wallonia not distinct from France ? yes it is . Does it also have a lot in common with France. Yes it does.
ryan84160 9 months ago
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@Patriote17 "you love to kiss the queen ass" When did I ever say I supported the monarchy ? I am republican.
You are so fucking retarded. Ethnicity is not race. Ethnicity and Nation are from the same root word and mean almost exactly the same thing. Hispanic is an ethnicity. there are black, white,native and mestizo Hispanics. Francophone Quebecers are an ethnicity, therefore you are an ethnic nationalist.
ryan84160 9 months ago
@Patriote17 When have I EVER said that I hate the French. You keep putting words in my mouth.
In fact I love the French people,French history and what the French republic stands for.
ryan84160 9 months ago
@ryan84160 you only oppose Québec independence because you are a Canadian nationalist, so shut up.
Patriote17 9 months ago
@ryan84160 Natives are not tourist or stangers, they are not part of the Quebecers nation, why? Because they have their own nations, they are the first nations and they obviously have special right. Like I said when english speak about the natives it is because they have no argument, you Canadian and American fucking whiped them out, it was a genocide. It is not us who created the reservation. Like I said you are not in a position to make us lesson about the natives...
Patriote17 9 months ago
@Patriote17 I am fully aware of how the natives were treated under the British and Americans, However I do not share even 1 % of the responsibility. Neither do you or any other Quebecer share the responsibility of using natives or blacks as slaves.
ryan84160 9 months ago
@ryan84160 you imposed the english language and culture on us for hundreds of years and now you dare criticizing us only because we want to protect our language and culture. What Canada do in Québec, is economic, social and cultural imperialism!
Patriote17 9 months ago
@Patriote17 I am not defending anything the British did, why can you not understand this ? If it is wrong for the british to impose their language on you it is wrong for you to impose your language on anyone else. It is that simple. You can not use the argument of "well the British did it to us in the past".
ryan84160 9 months ago
@ryan84160 it is our right to impose the french language on immigrants. We welcome them in a place were they can have have a lot of social service, free health care, free eduction, we only ask that they learn our language, we don't oppress them. Law 101 is only for signalisaiton and public school, people can speak the language they want. All Québec public school teach the english language anyways. I started learning english at school when I was 8 years old.
Patriote17 9 months ago
@ryan84160 when I say "we were invaded", I speak about the Quebecers people, my ancestors included, I speak about us as a Nation. I did not say that I was invaded personnaly. It is like if a French say, we French people were invaded by the Nazi. Would you call him stupid? French were invaded by the nazi it is an historical fact. Saying that is not stupidity.
Patriote17 9 months ago
@Patriote17 Of course there are still many people alive that were ACTUALLY invaded by the Nazis.Even still, the people of Germany can not be held responsible for this. A so called "nation" can not be guilty of anything. Only individuals within the so called "nation".
ryan84160 9 months ago
@ryan84160 shut up dude. Nation like individual are always held responsable for their crime. That does not means the nation must be judged and punished, but it will always be held responsable...
Patriote17 9 months ago
@ryan84160 do you know why nation like individual are always held responsable for their crime? Because if your nation commit a crime, it is your duty to try to stop it. Those who do not try to stop the crime of their nation are accomplice of the crime, even if they do not take part in the crime direcly...
Patriote17 9 months ago
@Patriote17 We don't put the son of a murderer in prison for the crimes his father committed. The son is 100% innocent. He is a completely new individual and is in no way connected to what his father did.
You might as well get pissed off at the Italians for invading and conquering your Celtic Gaulish ancestors during the Roman times.
ryan84160 9 months ago
@ryan84160 I do not care about those old war, France is free and independant now, Québec is not. I have nothing against english people, I respect those who support our cause and I hate those who don't, it is political not racial. English people who live in Québec speak french and support our independence are my brothers.
Patriote17 9 months ago
@Patriote17" English people who live in Québec speak french and support our independence are my brothers." but they cant be part of your "nation".
"France is free and independant " What about the Corsicans, the Catalans, the Basques ,the Occitans, the Bretons, the French Flemish? are all these people "free and independent "?
ryan84160 9 months ago
@ryan84160 you are really stupid. I support the Corsicans, the Basques, the Bretons, ect, you presume to much. If I consider the English who live in Québec, speak french and support our independence as my brothers, logicly I also consider them as part of the Québec Nation. Honestly you have no argument.
Patriote17 9 months ago
@ryan84160 Canada is not a real country, it is a British federation, the Queen of England is the head of state of Canada. You have no right to be in the Army or make politic in Canada if you don't swear alligeance to the Queen of England. Canada is the residue of the British empire. It means you are the same nation who invaded us and annexed us in the past. It is the only reason we are part of Canada, because the British annexed us by force!
Patriote17 9 months ago
@Patriote17 And the only reason Quebec exists is because is because the French annexed the land by force.
ryan84160 9 months ago