Funny how some bloody fools fail to see technique even in the side that theyre fan-boying. Paper tigers always gotta rile it up. Way to look like a fool.
oh..dont think that chinese only use bronze sword..thats not true. if you want to compare japanese and chinese during the same era, they both use carbon steel. one might be much effective cutting, another might be better for stabbing. china would be a great nation and respected by japan if they didnt lose to the manchurians lol.
The katana can be stronger but strength of sword makes no difference. The user's techniques depends on all. The Chinese has a capable ability of endurance in a sword fight. Kung Fu is an element in everything including the sword.
@malevolenceXXXensues The way the steel of the katana was forged was much stronger than the jian. when completed the katana would be overfolded 1024 times, also the blade itself not only was made of stronger sharper steel than the jain but was much thicker and would cleave through the other. the jian was very flimsy, which had its advantages with certain flicking movements but the sword was weaker. there are many discover channel specials that go over this. I hope that explains it.
@Alchemist1330 this breakthrough with blade smithing was discovered in china during the tang dynasty, the jian during that time were not like the modern examples which are seen in standard martial arts equipment today. they were stiff steel blades much like the old fencing swords of the renaissance period of europe, their are two handed versions of the jian as well. by the way look up the sword of king guojian on youtube and maybe you'll see the reason i question your argument.
@malevolenceXXXensues interesting video, yet his sword was made of bronze which is a much weaker (though still very strong) metal than steel. Also i'm a fencer and have done rapier fencing and the swords are still strong yet bend easily, thats what i meant when i said flimsy, though i'm still not convince how a katana is not much stronger and shaper and wouldn't cleave the other sword. I think the Jian is Awesome but the Katana is much stonger and sharper.
@Alchemist1330 his sword is layered with chromium...which is much stronger than anysword during that time ever existed, also the sword is much thick compare to katana.
@jack99889988 It is true that Japanese has swords of steel more durable than Chinese, but the Chinese are capable of withstanding against Japanese attacks with their techniques combined with sword skills.
@anikid0392 nono..the sword in this film (the chinese one) is not used in real warfare in ancient china. that sword is usually carried by nobelman, rich families, swordsmith families..and etc. or a symbol of higher than farmer class..(idk if u understand what i'm talking about) if u understand..in real warfare they dont go dance around (evade) with sword skills, they usually carry lance, ge, ji, longsword (swords that doesnt flex at all) to battle.
@anikid0392 but japan is different, samurai use katana no matter if they are wearing armor or not. often when two samurai fights against each other both with armor...tend to cut oppent's exposed areas or until one's blade shatter to pieces. thats why they are building better and better swords until the western barbarians (whats what they call it during that time) change the rule of the traditional tactics---guns.
@TheBloodyBlackJackal Stop being a pompous asshole. Riki Harada is actually very skillful at demonstrating swordsmanship compared to most other contemporary Japanese martial art actors.
Also, yes, this is a Chinese movie. In a Japanese movie, you would see the Japanese character win - such as in Zatoichi vs. the One Armed Swordsman. Not only that, but this is basically an instance of the protagonist - Gordon Liu - winning a fight, and you're making too much of it.
@genox6 Rofl, I am being a pompous asshole, because I commented on their idiotic portrail of the samurai???
So what if its a chinese movie? Sure, the chinese guy wins; that doesn't mean they should make the samurai look like some raging brute. In Jet Li does Jet Li look like he totally outclasses the big bad or does he get pummeled around a bit till he gets in his serious and determined mode. In FF7 Sepheroth was the bad guy, they didn't make him out to be a brute that swings randomly
@genox6 No, cloud had to get pummeled around a bit first; and even when he won it was a close call. I see this as disrespectfull in terms of culture; and anti-climactic in terms of story. I mean seriously? Whats so dramatic about the main character winning a fight with a brute who swings randomly?
@genox6 "you would see the Japanese character win - such as in Zatoichi vs. the One Armed Swordsman." You missed the point... The one armed swordsman didn't show up as a psychotic brute, but rather a handicapped badass who faught a better handicapped badass...
@Taprekriger in chinese martial arts you focus on building spiritual energy (ki) and somehow releasing it through your fists or weapons if ur using one which is supposed to prevent it from breaking........... or so they say in anime. -_-
the samurai always beat the chinese warriors, and the mongolions and the persians killed the chinese warriors and raped all their woman and then when they tried that with the samurai they got crushed
@ravisdb The mongolian invasion was doomed twice because they lost 75% of their troops in a storm. I think Japan was lucky twice because they had the weathergods on their side. Samurai combat was one on one. Mongolian combat was attack as a horde. The japanese would have been overrun. They were not used to that type of warfare.
@Whatever79 despite the storm they were actually still out numbered in teh second fight, and I believe the first fight as welll. Anyways, those are not the same samurai made famous during the 1500's in fact those samurai still used tachi which are extremely curved and worn blade facing down.
They both have advantages the katana is strong enough to cut through bone but it is heavyer than the Chinese swords but the with the Chinese sword you can cut faster but with less damage
Most samurais/ninjas used both the katana and wakazashi, the wakazashi was usually shorter than the katana (some Mortal Kombat buffs might know this but the legendary character from Mortal Kombat, Scorpion, was similar to this traditional layout he had a straight "ninja sword" and a wakazashi and even in some games he used both) the wakazashi was the traditional way of honorable suicide, if defeated in battle the warrior would pulled the blade from its sheath and impale themselves in the torso.
@40OldeEnglish the Japanese way of the sword is like this improved chinese way of sword(for the japanese it is) well I am not so sure who will win in a duel, but for me it is the japanese.
@lookherenow2 I disagree this is assumption. There were many many chinese schools of the sword, some of course better than others, just as was in Japan. Japan was actually heavily influenced by chinese culture and envious. The thing about china is, much like medieval europe there was constant war and exchange of ideas. as such their weapons evolved , though not as advanced as europe, where japanese weapons changed very little due to self imposed isolation
@40OldeEnglish Ok but it is hard to judge which will win, I train In kendo and iado (the Japanese way of the sword) Maybe I will manage to find someone who is about the same level as me, and do a friendly duel with him/her.
ive trained in kendo for years and i would give it to the katana as the weapon of choice but i can choose a side here its just on who chooses the right move like a game of chess
@TheBloodyHoliday I would take the katana due to two hand usage and length in a straight fight, but in armor the Jian or any straight sword is far superior due to better piercing ability
The fact that they managed to intergrate the two styles ino this fight speaks marvels. I think both styles are great. Yes this is a chinese film and the hero did win. But getting into a argument over the strength of the sword is redundent when you witness the skill employed by both actors. Kudos to master Liu Chia Liang for having that vision. Whats better Choping or piercing? Depends on who lands their blow first.
This is Chinese film no Japanese ever wins and are always villians in japanese film its the complete oposite Japanese are more real like zatoichi ,tachi katana would of broken Chinese sword, Chinese sword is swifter and more agile while traditional kenjutsu and kendo are more few strikes relying on katana for dealing major damage
@UR2SL0 the Jian wouldn't break off because (if it is well forged) it would be flexible and strong, and I am not sure but I have heard that in the very beginning, the chinese brought smithing to japan, and such crafts often don't grow less skilled in the years.
i'm sure this was the longest duel the samurai has ever been apart of lol! From matches lasting only seconds to a dragged out 2:41.
And course this is just a movie, but even if by a miracle some how some way this could happen, the samurai would be like...."dude.....you're suppose to dead like forever ago!, just stick your chin out and lemme chop your face!" lol
In a real fight on average I'd give it to the katana wield because it is way easier to master and be deadly with, but if it comes to high level stuff I'd give it to the jian master because there is more things you can do with it. It's like Aikido vs taijiquan or karate vs shaolin.
@DigitalExplosives Cutting air with a well-tempered blade will create a vacuum for a fraction of a second. This doesn't happen with every, tiny movement of your blade, tho.
no offence but the chinese guy sux because he didnt even know how to use chinese sword , by the method he use to block his sword would have shatter long ago at the first clash with the katana .
@GoHardMG=What? Overrated? I doubt it, the katana is the finest sword ever made. The samurai are trained in the art of kenjutsu and iaijutsu and live by the code of bushido and rely on The Book of Five Rings which is written by Miyamoto Musashi.
@knightsofstjoan2004 that really cool sounds like u know a lot about samurai. I know much history some Japanese history, i love history. But I find samurai to be overrated they seem to always be defeated by foreign enemies, im guessing its because they aren't use to fighting people that are non samurai which its pretty bad. I mean they got defeated by the Koreans and the almost got invaded by the Mongols, lucky japan had the divine wind and it destroyed the Mongol fleet.
@GoHardMG There are some flaws in your historical reference. The Samurai were defeated because of a fatal mistake made in naval warfare, not to mention the large amounts of aid the Ming Dynasty gave to the Koreans at the time. The Mongols were successfully repelled at the hands of the Samurai in the FIRST invasion of 1274. The Japanese then built a wall along the shore which caused the massive Mongol invasion force to get stuck in 1281 in which Divine Winds annihilated most of them.
@knightsofstjoan2004 the katana was far from perfect and it's wielders were the same. kenjutsu, Iaijutsu and the code of bushido; none of this actually matters that was all superficial stuff, what does actually matter are those who will live and die. It's more about the individuals than it is about fighting styles or their code of ethics besides some samurai didn't even follow it, some of them lived like us today, fucked who they wanted to fuck, killed who they wanted to kill.
Intense....the chinese blade(jian) is weaker and cant take many hits without shattering...its like an extension of your bones you must handle it as a part of yourself or risk breaking it
The japanese was doomed from the start - he was wearing the dark clothes of a villain and did not shave whereas the chinese was clean shaven and was wearing the bright coloured clothes of a hero ...
Ah... the wonderful world of predictable films ...
@calmandhard1 Yeah, agreed. Being a life long practitioner kind of ruins films like this for me too. There were MANY times when the Chinese swordsman was locked into a position when he could have been cut a little be a simple flick of the wrist. I especially liked when this "Samurai" was just starring at the ground for a couple of seconds around 1:20. LoL seriously? Wtf was that about?
@calmandhard1 yeah if you actually watched the flick...that pretty much the trend through the whole damn thing, he manages to beat all of the Japanese. no real tensions of course...and it is a Chinese flick >.>
I'd ike to see a japanese created movie like this! lol. it' be a lot shorter most likely.
@calmandhard1 yeah this pretty much shows how the chinese felt of the japanese invasions in the 40's but you already know that. i just wish theres a vid out there with an honorable duel between a japanese and chinese warrior without any bias
@NinjaRed5000 It can't be said that this movie is totally in the mold of "Chinese will always be Japanese." Heroes of the East is actually seen as going against the grain of Chinese films at the time. Yes, the Chinese fighter wins, but he does earn the respect of his Japanese opponents, and vice versa. The ending of the movie shows this quite well.
@AndyRaslan Morons sans arguments ... and a sense of humour ... are invalid.
Hence your circular logic and shallow arguments ipso facto are invalid, and thus by Latae sententiae you have had your quick comeback rights revoked forthwith.
@dragonboy666666 a katana was meant for cutting flesh and clothing not sword on sword if they were real swords both blades would be considerably knicked
@MrTurkche Yeah, you heard wrong. Katanas are in fact very strong. Anyway, both the katana and the jian are awesome swords and the winner depends entirely on the user and his/her level of skill, not the weapon they use.
@MrTurkche First off, wrong, the katana is know for the strength of it's steel, the reason swordfights were short is because they were so fast, that someone slipped up and someone got the cut in.
A sword is only as good as it's wielder, or else it's just a shape metal object used for poking and slashing people. Chinese techniques are more flexible and better then of the Japanese, but the Katana sword is more powerful then the Tai Chi sword. In the wrong hand though, the Katana can prove to be useless against the Taichi sword, which is more swift, if used correctly.
In China, Damascus was known as the only steel that could cut through jade. So india made the best swords originally, and they are the parents of all martial arts! Kalipahari/Kalaripayattu is the oldest martial art! and was spread throughout asia through Bhoddiharma and made is as far into the shaolin temples
@Eso1 lies...do you think only the shaolin temples know how to fight? china is fricken huge man....dont kid yourself with some information written on paper or wikipedia.
@Eso1 you can argue as much as you like and i respect your opinions but i stand by what i said. facts can sometimes be proven wrong and paper is ..just paper.. just like the bible.
@Eso1 Japanese's DNA also is far relative to Chinese's DNA but it is a little bit closer to Korea. Get youir facts that Korean came from central Asia, not from CHina as well. Through times, some chinese immagrations went to Korea and mixed with Korean. Same thing happned to Korea when Japanese pirates rapes Korean woman. One more thing i want you to know that Ainu people just live in Hokkaido not in main land of Japan, true Japanese people was form Jomon period.
@KudaKomi Ainu are the natives of japan. Even the Jomon are considered to have come from northeastern asia, and the ainu aswell share some dna with the nivkh people of far east russia. The yayoi then came after the jomon, period. Either way they are all from Lemuria.
@Eso1 you are right onething. SHaolin kungfu truly was developed through Zen which was brought to China from India. Second, Japanese is Japanese and Chinese is Chinese. Chinese people has a lot of ethnic people and mixed races. Even you can see the differences between many regions in China. In ancient times, Japanese was called Wako( Japanese short pirates) because Japanese was short and not tall any at all. It was called by Chinese and other countries when they faced those pirates.
Wootz Damascus originated in India somewhere between 200 - 500 A.D. and was later exported throughout the Middle east and the Orient. Wootz, being the material from which wootz Damascus was made from, was simply a high grade of iron ore steel that contained beneficial impurities that gave it its unique characteristics the unique characteristics being the pattern which appeared on the steel, which had both light and dark areas, and also the steel's unusual strength and flexibility.
Other nations. Comparatively speaking it was like the mongol swords of iron. Iron rusts easily, did not take/hold an edge very well, and was heavy. The differential tempering techniques and sandwhiching of steels hard/soft, were however not created by the japanese. Persian bladesmiths have been using a dasmascus wootz steel technique for thousands of years. It was told that a Persian Damascus sword could cut through that of its European's counterpart.
They developed the Katana, with the edge up, it was superior to the Tachi when it came to ground fighting and dueling. Because the Tachi was much longer, more pronounced curve, and with the development of Iaido, the edge up Katana was much faster to draw for close combat off horses. When it comes to better quality blades, it is because the bladesmiths began using differential tempering, they needed to since the metal ore on Japan is very impure and produced lower quality swords compared to other
Get you're facts straight people, First of, the japanese were chinese. The native japanese were the Ainu people. Yes japan has indigenous natives like america does. Second before they even began using the curved sword they used the Chokutō. And it was brought there from China and also used in Korea. During the mongol invasion they saw the effectiveness of the curved blade and horseback warfare, and they developed the Tachi sword, which was carried edge down. But then they developed the Katana.
@Goobermanlawl Doesn't matter how good the sword is, at the end of the day, if either swords swipe your neck, it's over. In terms of skill, the chinese guy's sword is traditionally a piercing sword not slashing while a katana is, you can stab a lot quicker than slash. Fencing is the Art of the sword because piercing is the best and quickest way to kill.
Why are comment boards like this always full of people arguing over which style of what is better. Surely it all comes down to the odds resting on the shoulders of the individuals involved. Films will never be an accurate representation of any real battle/fight because often they need to avoid the guiding principles of accurate lethality or incapacitating power, prioritising drama over reality. That being the entire point of fiction and fantasy portrayed to an audience.
bro....avery cunt knows that back in those days a samurai warrior 1 on 1 was unbeatable ... the end. plus chinese are pussies whos only marshial art is tai chi.
@dimzer111 Every cunt also knows that back in those days Samurais got smashed by rifleman, hence why Japan were too weak to resist western occupation.
@Aerosil4 Actually in the 1500's thousands of samurai under Hideyoshi used rifles in conquest as ranged weapons....even when he attempted to ovethrow Ming Dynasty in China via Korea. Rifles were discarded because of VERY slow reload time and unreliability in wet weather. They just relied on crossbow and bow/arrow.
yeah and they could smash tanks with those blades and block bullets too! Did you hear that their blades where made from meteorite steel too? Truly super human guys that no other human of any other nation could ever beat!
I hate how all the weeaboos become so much more vocal in these Heroes of the East clips. I like Japan as well, but can't you guys just stop jerking off to it and saying how great and cultured Japan is?
this is a movie, so it is a choreographed fight. the choreographers & actors did it very well, you can distinguish clearly between Japanese & Chinese sword fighting styles. I couldn´t say who would win in a real fight, but I think it would be much shorter than this (if there were no rules). one of the first blows would be already decisive even if it doesn´t kill the opponent. It all depends on the skill, speed & nerves of the fighter. and to a small degree it is also luck.
In real life a Japanese Samurai would defeat a Chinese Warrior! The Katana is the best sword in the world and it would easily take it that Chinese blade!
@TomTomSATNAV3000 i've been doing kenjitsu and kendo for most of my life. it is true that the katana is the best word in the world, however that does not mean the samurai have the best sword techniques. i have to admit that chinese sword techniques are superior to japanese, even if we do have a better sword.
Funny how some bloody fools fail to see technique even in the side that theyre fan-boying. Paper tigers always gotta rile it up. Way to look like a fool.
drunkenironrabbit2 16 hours ago
Not a very good scene. It looks like they both aim for each-other's sabre instead of each-other's bodies.
remnant24 2 weeks ago
chinese guy would have been dead in three moves.
Scylvendi1813 2 weeks ago
oh..dont think that chinese only use bronze sword..thats not true. if you want to compare japanese and chinese during the same era, they both use carbon steel. one might be much effective cutting, another might be better for stabbing. china would be a great nation and respected by japan if they didnt lose to the manchurians lol.
jack99889988 2 weeks ago
The katana can be stronger but strength of sword makes no difference. The user's techniques depends on all. The Chinese has a capable ability of endurance in a sword fight. Kung Fu is an element in everything including the sword.
anikid0392 2 weeks ago 3
Its a nice movie. They should make more of those.
LegendsXXboy 3 weeks ago
I'm sorry but the katana would cut right through the jian, it would be over in 2 seconds
Alchemist1330 1 month ago
@Alchemist1330 can you give us a good reason why?
malevolenceXXXensues 4 weeks ago
@malevolenceXXXensues The way the steel of the katana was forged was much stronger than the jian. when completed the katana would be overfolded 1024 times, also the blade itself not only was made of stronger sharper steel than the jain but was much thicker and would cleave through the other. the jian was very flimsy, which had its advantages with certain flicking movements but the sword was weaker. there are many discover channel specials that go over this. I hope that explains it.
Alchemist1330 3 weeks ago
@Alchemist1330 this breakthrough with blade smithing was discovered in china during the tang dynasty, the jian during that time were not like the modern examples which are seen in standard martial arts equipment today. they were stiff steel blades much like the old fencing swords of the renaissance period of europe, their are two handed versions of the jian as well. by the way look up the sword of king guojian on youtube and maybe you'll see the reason i question your argument.
malevolenceXXXensues 3 weeks ago
@malevolenceXXXensues interesting video, yet his sword was made of bronze which is a much weaker (though still very strong) metal than steel. Also i'm a fencer and have done rapier fencing and the swords are still strong yet bend easily, thats what i meant when i said flimsy, though i'm still not convince how a katana is not much stronger and shaper and wouldn't cleave the other sword. I think the Jian is Awesome but the Katana is much stonger and sharper.
Alchemist1330 3 weeks ago
@Alchemist1330 perhaps it would've been more believable if gordon liu was wielding a bagua dao instead
malevolenceXXXensues 3 weeks ago
@Alchemist1330 his sword is layered with chromium...which is much stronger than anysword during that time ever existed, also the sword is much thick compare to katana.
jack99889988 3 weeks ago
@jack99889988 It is true that Japanese has swords of steel more durable than Chinese, but the Chinese are capable of withstanding against Japanese attacks with their techniques combined with sword skills.
anikid0392 2 weeks ago
@anikid0392 nono..the sword in this film (the chinese one) is not used in real warfare in ancient china. that sword is usually carried by nobelman, rich families, swordsmith families..and etc. or a symbol of higher than farmer class..(idk if u understand what i'm talking about) if u understand..in real warfare they dont go dance around (evade) with sword skills, they usually carry lance, ge, ji, longsword (swords that doesnt flex at all) to battle.
jack99889988 2 weeks ago
@anikid0392 but japan is different, samurai use katana no matter if they are wearing armor or not. often when two samurai fights against each other both with armor...tend to cut oppent's exposed areas or until one's blade shatter to pieces. thats why they are building better and better swords until the western barbarians (whats what they call it during that time) change the rule of the traditional tactics---guns.
jack99889988 2 weeks ago
Pfft, I love how they make the Japanese guy some brute that strikes randomly... Must be a chinese movie...
TheBloodyBlackJackal 1 month ago 4
@TheBloodyBlackJackal its a chinese movie!
chinese often make japanese bad...
kidchino2 4 weeks ago
@TheBloodyBlackJackal Stop being a pompous asshole. Riki Harada is actually very skillful at demonstrating swordsmanship compared to most other contemporary Japanese martial art actors.
Also, yes, this is a Chinese movie. In a Japanese movie, you would see the Japanese character win - such as in Zatoichi vs. the One Armed Swordsman. Not only that, but this is basically an instance of the protagonist - Gordon Liu - winning a fight, and you're making too much of it.
genox6 1 week ago
@genox6 Rofl, I am being a pompous asshole, because I commented on their idiotic portrail of the samurai???
So what if its a chinese movie? Sure, the chinese guy wins; that doesn't mean they should make the samurai look like some raging brute. In Jet Li does Jet Li look like he totally outclasses the big bad or does he get pummeled around a bit till he gets in his serious and determined mode. In FF7 Sepheroth was the bad guy, they didn't make him out to be a brute that swings randomly
TheBloodyBlackJackal 6 days ago
@genox6 No, cloud had to get pummeled around a bit first; and even when he won it was a close call. I see this as disrespectfull in terms of culture; and anti-climactic in terms of story. I mean seriously? Whats so dramatic about the main character winning a fight with a brute who swings randomly?
TheBloodyBlackJackal 6 days ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@genox6 "you would see the Japanese character win - such as in Zatoichi vs. the One Armed Swordsman." You missed the point... The one armed swordsman didn't show up as a psychotic brute, but rather a handicapped badass who faught a better handicapped badass...
TheBloodyBlackJackal 6 days ago
@TheBloodyBlackJackal That wont be a chinese movie besause thats not a Broadsword, thats a Gim, tottally diffrent .
killerboy56 4 days ago
@killerboy56 ????
TheBloodyBlackJackal 4 days ago
Thankfully for Japan, China has no interest in measuring military might with them anymore, outside from period kung fu movies.
Lestat220289 1 month ago
1:28...he says "fuck" :P
Taprekriger 1 month ago
@Taprekriger lol, I wonder how many times he actually said that
killere2009 1 month ago
Why didn't the chinese guys sword break??? We all know their blades are made of shit and the Katana is as hard as...very hard :L
Taprekriger 1 month ago
@Taprekriger in chinese martial arts you focus on building spiritual energy (ki) and somehow releasing it through your fists or weapons if ur using one which is supposed to prevent it from breaking........... or so they say in anime. -_-
nightsied 1 month ago
@nightsied
Ki (Kee) would be Japanese (energy) where Chinese is Chi (Chee)
DeannaMarie0Krysta 1 month ago
@Taprekriger it really depends on who makes them
malevolenceXXXensues 4 weeks ago
Please! Can I borrow these sharp sword to fillet a small FISH.
songarkng1 1 month ago
toshiro mifune would lay the smack down on these fools.
ravisdb 1 month ago
the samurai always beat the chinese warriors, and the mongolions and the persians killed the chinese warriors and raped all their woman and then when they tried that with the samurai they got crushed
ravisdb 1 month ago
@ravisdb Keep believing on that bro
Thomazbr 1 month ago
@ravisdb The mongolian invasion was doomed twice because they lost 75% of their troops in a storm. I think Japan was lucky twice because they had the weathergods on their side. Samurai combat was one on one. Mongolian combat was attack as a horde. The japanese would have been overrun. They were not used to that type of warfare.
Whatever79 1 month ago
@Whatever79 despite the storm they were actually still out numbered in teh second fight, and I believe the first fight as welll. Anyways, those are not the same samurai made famous during the 1500's in fact those samurai still used tachi which are extremely curved and worn blade facing down.
TheBloodyBlackJackal 1 month ago
gano el chino :D
thekillerroland 1 month ago
Send Toshiro Mifune to reinforce the Jap side!!
saurabhCherished 2 months ago
ไม่ได้ว่าเพลงกระบี่จีนด้อยกว่าของญี่ปุ่นหรอกนะ
แต่ในคลิปนี้ดาบญี่ปุ่นทั้งฟันทั้งแทงเข้าไปหลายดอกแล้ว : )
moji157 2 months ago
They both have advantages the katana is strong enough to cut through bone but it is heavyer than the Chinese swords but the with the Chinese sword you can cut faster but with less damage
ZombiesNinjaHawk 2 months ago
Most samurais/ninjas used both the katana and wakazashi, the wakazashi was usually shorter than the katana (some Mortal Kombat buffs might know this but the legendary character from Mortal Kombat, Scorpion, was similar to this traditional layout he had a straight "ninja sword" and a wakazashi and even in some games he used both) the wakazashi was the traditional way of honorable suicide, if defeated in battle the warrior would pulled the blade from its sheath and impale themselves in the torso.
JohnMarshton777 2 months ago
F-A-L-S-E
this movie is maked by a chinese , and the japanese don't have the Musashi's style so...because is a chinese movie the jpanese is defeated
432fuuzz 2 months ago in playlist Japanese/ Chinese Entertainment (also- other)
Comment removed
WAsucksblackducks 2 months ago
I hope the result of this perpetual feud plays out in reality as it does here. Looks well on its way.
ChowMeinChowdown 2 months ago
i have no comemts ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ CHINESE GUY WINs YAH, YAH!.
songarkng1 2 months ago
Eight stroke style! Kick Ass.Double sided over single sided sword every time.
762foryou 2 months ago
you can tell the Chinese was going to win fron the start by the stupid lame chinese opera music in the background.
angellicvoices 3 months ago
hahahah.japan and china have had many wars.
gethsoftware 3 months ago
Xianghua vs. Mitsurugi?!
Symphonia69 3 months ago
so unreal...
am not jap but for me their way of the sword is more skillful than the Chinese way
lookherenow2 3 months ago
@lookherenow2 based on what exactly?
40OldeEnglish 2 months ago
@40OldeEnglish the Japanese way of the sword is like this improved chinese way of sword(for the japanese it is) well I am not so sure who will win in a duel, but for me it is the japanese.
Don't forget it is just a movie...
lookherenow2 2 months ago
@lookherenow2 I disagree this is assumption. There were many many chinese schools of the sword, some of course better than others, just as was in Japan. Japan was actually heavily influenced by chinese culture and envious. The thing about china is, much like medieval europe there was constant war and exchange of ideas. as such their weapons evolved , though not as advanced as europe, where japanese weapons changed very little due to self imposed isolation
40OldeEnglish 2 months ago
Comment removed
lookherenow2 2 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@40OldeEnglish Ok but it is hard to judge which will win, I train In kendo and iado (the Japanese way of the sword) Maybe I will manage to find someone who is about the same level as me, and do a friendly duel with him/her.
lookherenow2 2 months ago
ive trained in kendo for years and i would give it to the katana as the weapon of choice but i can choose a side here its just on who chooses the right move like a game of chess
TheBloodyHoliday 3 months ago
@TheBloodyHoliday I would take the katana due to two hand usage and length in a straight fight, but in armor the Jian or any straight sword is far superior due to better piercing ability
40OldeEnglish 2 months ago
アホ
7daikokusan 3 months ago
is the portrayed japanese guy white lol?
OfficialRuneMSGeek 3 months ago
@goath yes Jian is forged but wakizashi and tachi katana wer folded multiple
Times, many katana have been shown in youtube to cut bullets can you imagine Chinese jian doing the same
UR2SL0 4 months ago
the sound effects remind me of one of those little plastic swords where you press a button and they make sounds.
neothedarc 4 months ago
The fact that they managed to intergrate the two styles ino this fight speaks marvels. I think both styles are great. Yes this is a chinese film and the hero did win. But getting into a argument over the strength of the sword is redundent when you witness the skill employed by both actors. Kudos to master Liu Chia Liang for having that vision. Whats better Choping or piercing? Depends on who lands their blow first.
solreavir 4 months ago
This is Chinese film no Japanese ever wins and are always villians in japanese film its the complete oposite Japanese are more real like zatoichi ,tachi katana would of broken Chinese sword, Chinese sword is swifter and more agile while traditional kenjutsu and kendo are more few strikes relying on katana for dealing major damage
UR2SL0 4 months ago
@UR2SL0 the Jian wouldn't break off because (if it is well forged) it would be flexible and strong, and I am not sure but I have heard that in the very beginning, the chinese brought smithing to japan, and such crafts often don't grow less skilled in the years.
gaoth88 4 months ago
Chinese is Better than most
japanese is Inexperienced
DRAGONCHUN 4 months ago 3
@DRAGONCHUN
lol you judge for a movie you see?
jin54363 2 weeks ago
i'm sure this was the longest duel the samurai has ever been apart of lol! From matches lasting only seconds to a dragged out 2:41.
And course this is just a movie, but even if by a miracle some how some way this could happen, the samurai would be like...."dude.....you're suppose to dead like forever ago!, just stick your chin out and lemme chop your face!" lol
bellumblade1 4 months ago
Gordon Liu, wow he was so young here.
AsurasWrath 4 months ago in playlist Samurai and fighting stuff
In a real fight on average I'd give it to the katana wield because it is way easier to master and be deadly with, but if it comes to high level stuff I'd give it to the jian master because there is more things you can do with it. It's like Aikido vs taijiquan or karate vs shaolin.
mizong84 5 months ago 5
some say the sound is created when the swords cut space and time
DigitalExplosives 5 months ago
@DigitalExplosives Cutting air with a well-tempered blade will create a vacuum for a fraction of a second. This doesn't happen with every, tiny movement of your blade, tho.
tarrker 5 months ago
no offence but the chinese guy sux because he didnt even know how to use chinese sword , by the method he use to block his sword would have shatter long ago at the first clash with the katana .
jiahan22 5 months ago
Samurai and katanas are over rated.
GoHardMG 5 months ago
@GoHardMG=What? Overrated? I doubt it, the katana is the finest sword ever made. The samurai are trained in the art of kenjutsu and iaijutsu and live by the code of bushido and rely on The Book of Five Rings which is written by Miyamoto Musashi.
knightsofstjoan2004 5 months ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 that really cool sounds like u know a lot about samurai. I know much history some Japanese history, i love history. But I find samurai to be overrated they seem to always be defeated by foreign enemies, im guessing its because they aren't use to fighting people that are non samurai which its pretty bad. I mean they got defeated by the Koreans and the almost got invaded by the Mongols, lucky japan had the divine wind and it destroyed the Mongol fleet.
GoHardMG 5 months ago
@GoHardMG There are some flaws in your historical reference. The Samurai were defeated because of a fatal mistake made in naval warfare, not to mention the large amounts of aid the Ming Dynasty gave to the Koreans at the time. The Mongols were successfully repelled at the hands of the Samurai in the FIRST invasion of 1274. The Japanese then built a wall along the shore which caused the massive Mongol invasion force to get stuck in 1281 in which Divine Winds annihilated most of them.
aa3gunner 5 months ago
@aa3gunner im still on it, samurai are overate.
GoHardMG 5 months ago
@knightsofstjoan2004 the katana was far from perfect and it's wielders were the same. kenjutsu, Iaijutsu and the code of bushido; none of this actually matters that was all superficial stuff, what does actually matter are those who will live and die. It's more about the individuals than it is about fighting styles or their code of ethics besides some samurai didn't even follow it, some of them lived like us today, fucked who they wanted to fuck, killed who they wanted to kill.
malevolenceXXXensues 4 weeks ago
Intense....the chinese blade(jian) is weaker and cant take many hits without shattering...its like an extension of your bones you must handle it as a part of yourself or risk breaking it
PeterParkerisded 5 months ago
@PeterParkerisded jian= defensive
katana=offensive
malevolenceXXXensues 5 months ago 11
@malevolenceXXXensues
katana is used with an wakizashi , and wakizashi=defensive so katana + wakizashi = invincible
432fuuzz 2 months ago in playlist Japanese/ Chinese Entertainment (also- other)
@432fuuzz i think that style was only used by musashi and the two were probably never used together in traditional japanese sword arts
malevolenceXXXensues 2 months ago
Comment removed
Shuukyou 4 weeks ago
gun rules，idoits
czlhaha 5 months ago
@MrTurkche What the hell are you talking about?!? You need to hang out in israel, bring some turkish delight over there.
Eso1 5 months ago
The japanese was doomed from the start - he was wearing the dark clothes of a villain and did not shave whereas the chinese was clean shaven and was wearing the bright coloured clothes of a hero ...
Ah... the wonderful world of predictable films ...
If only real fights were as predictable...
calmandhard1 5 months ago 39
@calmandhard1 Yeah, agreed. Being a life long practitioner kind of ruins films like this for me too. There were MANY times when the Chinese swordsman was locked into a position when he could have been cut a little be a simple flick of the wrist. I especially liked when this "Samurai" was just starring at the ground for a couple of seconds around 1:20. LoL seriously? Wtf was that about?
tarrker 5 months ago
@tarrker You are spot on - The Katana in the hands of an expert can do much more than is shown here.
calmandhard1 5 months ago
@calmandhard1 It IS the ULTIMATE sword, it has so MANY advantages over EVERY sword out there, way better steel, folded over 1000 times, etc.
Mirdala 4 months ago
@calmandhard1 yeah if you actually watched the flick...that pretty much the trend through the whole damn thing, he manages to beat all of the Japanese. no real tensions of course...and it is a Chinese flick >.>
I'd ike to see a japanese created movie like this! lol. it' be a lot shorter most likely.
bellumblade1 4 months ago
@calmandhard1
lesson learnt, shave before you fight
qwiqwi 4 months ago
@qwiqwi
And remember to wear bright clothes ...
Darth Vader thought that Black was ... the new black, and look wajt happened to him.
If only the real fights I have fought was won by personal hygiene and happy coloured clothes, then everything would have been SO much easier ,-D
calmandhard1 4 months ago
@calmandhard1 and that's a chinese movie. it's predictable that the bad guy will be the japanese one lol
joleghost 4 months ago
@calmandhard1 yeah this pretty much shows how the chinese felt of the japanese invasions in the 40's but you already know that. i just wish theres a vid out there with an honorable duel between a japanese and chinese warrior without any bias
NinjaRed5000 3 months ago
@NinjaRed5000 It can't be said that this movie is totally in the mold of "Chinese will always be Japanese." Heroes of the East is actually seen as going against the grain of Chinese films at the time. Yes, the Chinese fighter wins, but he does earn the respect of his Japanese opponents, and vice versa. The ending of the movie shows this quite well.
BaiLong45 3 months ago
@BaiLong45 oh cool, thnx for that man
NinjaRed5000 3 months ago
@calmandhard1 Beards are badass. Your argument is invalid.
AndyRaslan 1 month ago
@AndyRaslan Morons sans arguments ... and a sense of humour ... are invalid.
Hence your circular logic and shallow arguments ipso facto are invalid, and thus by Latae sententiae you have had your quick comeback rights revoked forthwith.
QED
oh .. and as always:
Have Nice Day ,-D
And a happy christmas....
Ho Ho Ho - Now I have a Katana
calmandhard1 1 month ago
48 people were just too slow for the sword :D
gengis125 5 months ago
obviously that is not a real katana, otherwise it would have sliced through that chinese sword
dragonboy666666 5 months ago
@dragonboy666666 a katana was meant for cutting flesh and clothing not sword on sword if they were real swords both blades would be considerably knicked
malevolenceXXXensues 5 months ago
fucking chinese movie industry
LuuAnhTu1990 6 months ago
im...sooo glad we have guns now....lol
touchen 6 months ago
No way he would win the samurai in these conditions. This is even faker than Deadliest Warrior.
halafradrimx 6 months ago
masterfully choreographed, must have been very dangerous for
the actors
cawabunga360 6 months ago
@MrTurkche Yeah, you heard wrong. Katanas are in fact very strong. Anyway, both the katana and the jian are awesome swords and the winner depends entirely on the user and his/her level of skill, not the weapon they use.
Wright805 6 months ago
sounds like an old N64 game xD
MasterOfFlash92 6 months ago
Coward Chinks!!
KakuAndy 6 months ago
japanese fucks chinese sucks terrorist china!
ataturkisTurk 6 months ago
Japanese face= fierce!!!
utopia726 6 months ago
one handed swords aren't meant for wars that blade is for gentlemen use only
scottyi88 6 months ago
Blades are good for,
c-u-t-t-i-n-g.. b-u-t-t-e-r.
Firearms:
Romeo
Uniform
Lima
Echo
wingdingism 6 months ago
The Shaolin styles will win every time.
jetflock 6 months ago
@MrTurkche First off, wrong, the katana is know for the strength of it's steel, the reason swordfights were short is because they were so fast, that someone slipped up and someone got the cut in.
ninjakid6 6 months ago
win or lose is at the director hands hahaha
TheSeptian69 6 months ago
Chinese have SKILLZ
missngbrownie 6 months ago
@MrTurkche You heard wrong, do better research
FerretJohn 6 months ago
hey Gaijins, it's not KITANE or KATANER
sijotakane 6 months ago
Defeated! Chinese pwns!
anikid0392 7 months ago
@anikid0392 just a movie
twwarrior333 6 months ago
thats the dude from shogun assasin
sinduda 7 months ago
@sinduda nope.
NYCPulpHero 7 months ago
Funny how people can't really spell "Katana" :>
Bexilulz 7 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
the japs has the best sword, but we chinese have the SKILL.
samkf100 7 months ago
Comment removed
samkf100 7 months ago
That cocky bastard is a disgrace to the Emperor and his family. I demand he commit hara-kiri NOW!
OverlordRaxusReaper 7 months ago
great but i like the kitana better
ConkerBFDman 7 months ago
@ConkerBFDman katana you idiot. KATANA
NYCPulpHero 7 months ago
and nobady cant stop my bidenheander no fucking kataner
fuck yeahhh
jenssmal 7 months ago
@jenssmal KATANA and NOBODY. fucking idiot.
NYCPulpHero 7 months ago
@NYCPulpHero soooo... i give a fuck
jenssmal 7 months ago
The choreography in this is brilliant.
crazydude606 7 months ago
A sword is only as good as it's wielder, or else it's just a shape metal object used for poking and slashing people. Chinese techniques are more flexible and better then of the Japanese, but the Katana sword is more powerful then the Tai Chi sword. In the wrong hand though, the Katana can prove to be useless against the Taichi sword, which is more swift, if used correctly.
johnnythao 7 months ago
@johnnythao id prefer the flexibility of the jians techniques
elgostine 7 months ago
Just wanna say also, that i don't take sides, i don't do or study any martial arts. I just lift weights and study alot of Asia's history =D
Eso1 7 months ago
In China, Damascus was known as the only steel that could cut through jade. So india made the best swords originally, and they are the parents of all martial arts! Kalipahari/Kalaripayattu is the oldest martial art! and was spread throughout asia through Bhoddiharma and made is as far into the shaolin temples
Eso1 7 months ago
@Eso1 lies...do you think only the shaolin temples know how to fight? china is fricken huge man....dont kid yourself with some information written on paper or wikipedia.
ShuyuKoukin 7 months ago
@ShuyuKoukin Karate came from kung fu.
Look at the deadly hands of ninjitsu exercises. They are yoga exercises brought to japan by buddhist prilgrims.
I don't speak or write lies, i only go by facts.
Do you know where Penchak Silat originated?! or the precursor to krabi krabong?!
Eso1 7 months ago
@Eso1 you can argue as much as you like and i respect your opinions but i stand by what i said. facts can sometimes be proven wrong and paper is ..just paper.. just like the bible.
ShuyuKoukin 7 months ago
@Eso1
Its worth noting that ninjas hardly ever got they're man. Most of the time they were running around the bottom of toilets shooting darts at butts.
jetflock 6 months ago
@Eso1 Japanese's DNA also is far relative to Chinese's DNA but it is a little bit closer to Korea. Get youir facts that Korean came from central Asia, not from CHina as well. Through times, some chinese immagrations went to Korea and mixed with Korean. Same thing happned to Korea when Japanese pirates rapes Korean woman. One more thing i want you to know that Ainu people just live in Hokkaido not in main land of Japan, true Japanese people was form Jomon period.
KudaKomi 6 months ago
@KudaKomi Ainu are the natives of japan. Even the Jomon are considered to have come from northeastern asia, and the ainu aswell share some dna with the nivkh people of far east russia. The yayoi then came after the jomon, period. Either way they are all from Lemuria.
Eso1 5 months ago
Comment removed
KudaKomi 6 months ago
@Eso1 you are right onething. SHaolin kungfu truly was developed through Zen which was brought to China from India. Second, Japanese is Japanese and Chinese is Chinese. Chinese people has a lot of ethnic people and mixed races. Even you can see the differences between many regions in China. In ancient times, Japanese was called Wako( Japanese short pirates) because Japanese was short and not tall any at all. It was called by Chinese and other countries when they faced those pirates.
KudaKomi 6 months ago
Wootz Damascus originated in India somewhere between 200 - 500 A.D. and was later exported throughout the Middle east and the Orient. Wootz, being the material from which wootz Damascus was made from, was simply a high grade of iron ore steel that contained beneficial impurities that gave it its unique characteristics the unique characteristics being the pattern which appeared on the steel, which had both light and dark areas, and also the steel's unusual strength and flexibility.
Eso1 7 months ago
Other nations. Comparatively speaking it was like the mongol swords of iron. Iron rusts easily, did not take/hold an edge very well, and was heavy. The differential tempering techniques and sandwhiching of steels hard/soft, were however not created by the japanese. Persian bladesmiths have been using a dasmascus wootz steel technique for thousands of years. It was told that a Persian Damascus sword could cut through that of its European's counterpart.
Eso1 7 months ago
They developed the Katana, with the edge up, it was superior to the Tachi when it came to ground fighting and dueling. Because the Tachi was much longer, more pronounced curve, and with the development of Iaido, the edge up Katana was much faster to draw for close combat off horses. When it comes to better quality blades, it is because the bladesmiths began using differential tempering, they needed to since the metal ore on Japan is very impure and produced lower quality swords compared to other
Eso1 7 months ago
Get you're facts straight people, First of, the japanese were chinese. The native japanese were the Ainu people. Yes japan has indigenous natives like america does. Second before they even began using the curved sword they used the Chokutō. And it was brought there from China and also used in Korea. During the mongol invasion they saw the effectiveness of the curved blade and horseback warfare, and they developed the Tachi sword, which was carried edge down. But then they developed the Katana.
Eso1 7 months ago
@Goobermanlawl Doesn't matter how good the sword is, at the end of the day, if either swords swipe your neck, it's over. In terms of skill, the chinese guy's sword is traditionally a piercing sword not slashing while a katana is, you can stab a lot quicker than slash. Fencing is the Art of the sword because piercing is the best and quickest way to kill.
Aerosil4 7 months ago
Ichigo will pwned them all
VongolaAQW223 7 months ago
PL OBSERVE IN 1.04.THAT CHINESE MAN WAS A DEAD MEAT IN REAL FIGHT.HE LOST HIS BALANCES AND NOT IN DEFENCE STANCE
ali4330 7 months ago
GORDAN LIU FTW!
Sorrow514 7 months ago
Why are comment boards like this always full of people arguing over which style of what is better. Surely it all comes down to the odds resting on the shoulders of the individuals involved. Films will never be an accurate representation of any real battle/fight because often they need to avoid the guiding principles of accurate lethality or incapacitating power, prioritising drama over reality. That being the entire point of fiction and fantasy portrayed to an audience.
wildvenisson 7 months ago
bro....avery cunt knows that back in those days a samurai warrior 1 on 1 was unbeatable ... the end. plus chinese are pussies whos only marshial art is tai chi.
dimzer111 7 months ago
@dimzer111 Every cunt also knows that back in those days Samurais got smashed by rifleman, hence why Japan were too weak to resist western occupation.
Aerosil4 7 months ago
@Aerosil4 yeh but im talking about melee weapons samurais were unbeatable
dimzer111 7 months ago
@Aerosil4 Actually in the 1500's thousands of samurai under Hideyoshi used rifles in conquest as ranged weapons....even when he attempted to ovethrow Ming Dynasty in China via Korea. Rifles were discarded because of VERY slow reload time and unreliability in wet weather. They just relied on crossbow and bow/arrow.
aa3gunner 7 months ago
@dimzer111
yeah and they could smash tanks with those blades and block bullets too! Did you hear that their blades where made from meteorite steel too? Truly super human guys that no other human of any other nation could ever beat!
isolahti 7 months ago
chinese propaganda!
iprimateman 8 months ago
what does he say at 1:37?
xDRipperTickle 8 months ago
Japanese guy was gonna offer his sword...
Samurai-- Please accept gift. :)
Gordon-- Go away. Kthxbye.
Samurai-- :'(
jeffdoeskungfu 8 months ago
the japanese samurai look so girly, no offense.
TheEarthhuman 8 months ago
Well, the Samurai has a weird style to say the least.
runlevel0 8 months ago
japanese ppl are secretly racist and egotistical in nature. they pervey freaks too. Best to wipe them off like the Holocaust
8989tom8989 9 months ago
@8989tom8989 and your one big ugly fagget
ViViD4i 8 months ago
chinese >japanese
8989tom8989 9 months ago
I hate how all the weeaboos become so much more vocal in these Heroes of the East clips. I like Japan as well, but can't you guys just stop jerking off to it and saying how great and cultured Japan is?
woogum10 9 months ago
So whos chinese and whos japanese?
TheBold707 9 months ago
vs chuck norris....I dunno aye
MsBrodster 9 months ago
i love how the sound effects are always a little off, for some reason it lets me know that im watching a real cheesy old chinese martial arts movie
harrysonofbob 9 months ago
who the hall the japanese or the chinese?
lol
pini1221 9 months ago
@pini1221 The guy with the katana is the Japanese guy ,of course
GentlemanGhost1 9 months ago
this is a movie, so it is a choreographed fight. the choreographers & actors did it very well, you can distinguish clearly between Japanese & Chinese sword fighting styles. I couldn´t say who would win in a real fight, but I think it would be much shorter than this (if there were no rules). one of the first blows would be already decisive even if it doesn´t kill the opponent. It all depends on the skill, speed & nerves of the fighter. and to a small degree it is also luck.
still, great scene
harpiyon 9 months ago
Just injoy the danm movie and stop talking so much!!!!
centrodocumentaljar 9 months ago
In real life a Japanese Samurai would defeat a Chinese Warrior! The Katana is the best sword in the world and it would easily take it that Chinese blade!
TomTomSATNAV3000 9 months ago
@TomTomSATNAV3000 i've been doing kenjitsu and kendo for most of my life. it is true that the katana is the best word in the world, however that does not mean the samurai have the best sword techniques. i have to admit that chinese sword techniques are superior to japanese, even if we do have a better sword.
naruto1993123 9 months ago