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  • I'm confused, why did they do that, this video only covers what, and not why?

    Without the why, forming an opinion about it is arrogant, since you first must understand motives, before accusations are justified. Unless the accusations are about motives : /

  • most of my videos have more information in the sidebar, as this one does

    this is a short video by design--it is not intended to cover every point

    perhaps it is up to you to explore the 'why'

  • @pennilesscripple Alright, and thanks :)

  • Well, fuck me runnin'!

  • yoigg

  • holy shit thats messed up!

  • Love your perspective. *****

  • When are the Zerzan broadcasts?

  • tuesday nights at 10 pm eastern time, 7 pm pacific time

    the shows are also archived after they are aired

    (see sidebar)

    i wish there were more shows like his--it's a real antidote to the mainstream onslaught, very healing

  • Thanks for the link! Yeah, hearing a different story is what we all need.

  • yeah or the same stories in a saner context

  • Allowing children to learn by observation and experience not just sitting in a room and being told what's real is a good remedy to mother culture's voice.

  • yes i think about that a lot, and i know you do with your little sweetpea

    my childhood was spent mainly in backyards and woods, doing 'nothing'

    i learned a lot

  • aw.. damn! they took out all the words with the real things in life and put in this fake plastic stuff....ugh

  • yes, ugh

  • Christian-related words like "bishop," "chapel," "disciple," "minister," "sin," and "devil," have been replaced by words like "blog," "biodegradable," "MP3 player," "democratic," and "celebrity," in the 2007 edition of the popular children's dictionary in the United Kingdom.

    i*am certain if anyone desired to fund the added printing of their choice of words, that Oxford Junior would be happy to include them, i*am also very certain Mother*Nature is happy to just have less paper being used.

  • the same amount of paper is being used....

    the key issue isn't the 'eco-friendliness' of the book, or that the people who publish the book are somehow wrong

    the key issue is how increasingly technologized our society is becoming, and what we are losing in the process

  • yes*indeed, that is WHY i*point out that the fundamental control of religion is one of those loses, and the book is eco/socially conscious by limiting is size & pointing children toward greater access to truth and information, after all they will not find your opinion in any mainstream book or dictionary, the "key issue" is seeing both the positive & negative aspects to something and then building support for the positive in alternative ways to embrace the change for the good of all humanity.

  • i see no positive aspects to the continued growth of industrial technology, nor to the loss of words such as 'disciple' or 'devil'

    it's clear people have greater access to information--but to truth? well, if access to truth is found in stillness and quiet, then clearly they have *less* access to it

    so people won't have the vocabulary to talk about nature or about spiritual experience, just about machines?

    i will not embrace this change, as it is not 'for the good of all humanity'

  • The issue for some is what's being lost, the issue for*me is what's being gained, for every lose there is a positive gain, if our collective focus is upon that gain... it is then made greater than the lose.

    It is in the nature of silence that one will find their truth, and in the nature of humanity that they are given the courage, grace, beauty and strength to share that truth.

    While the nature of all, offers unlimited venue from which to embrace he'r...

    The choice is yours to profit or lose.

  • i'm not sure i understand your meaning, peaceprofit

    there is nothing positive about the natural being usurped by the technological--this story is yet another example of how experience is becoming increasingly hollow, fragmented, and mediated

    if i were taken from my home and imprisonsed, i wouldn't focus on the "positive" gain, i would focus on the loss of my freedom, and do everything i could to regain it

  • There is always positive in everything, seeing it is not always the choice everyone makes, especially when looking at the short term view overlaid with negative thoughts and language.

    From reading your comments over time, you seem to focus mostly upon not having the freedom you desire, so perhaps you can't be imprisoned from them, or have imprisoned your*self already.....

    Either way the perspective on experience you share with many, is your choice to focus and limit that experience.

  • you know what, peaceprofit? it just occurred to me that the issue is not that something is being lost.

    the issue is that we are being robbed.

  • i*agree yet it not who is stealing or what, it is who is allowing the theft to take place and how, all of which every*one shares responsibility for.

    Life is the freedom to excel, pass or fail, the true measure of success rest within one's own personal view of that freedom.

    If the world is an asylum, run by the inmates, there is no way to know what sanity is

    Until.... those who stand only with peace speak.

    12*Minutes + 13*Months = World4Peace

    Display your Heart of Peace

    PeaceProfit@Twitter

  • also, knowing what i know about publishing houses, i'm certain the reduction in size was for financial reasons, not ecological ones, but that being 'ecologically conscious' is a good way to spin the changes for pr

  • yes*indeed, which is WHY i*said i*am certain they would be happy to accept funding for additional printing, and perhaps WHY you choose to ignore my meaning and place your own opinion of a PR aspect to my/their intent.

    Ones vision extends as far as one's attitude allows...

  • and i also don't understand what you're getting at here, either, pp. we seem to be talking from two different planets.

    first, oxford publishing is a corporation, not a charity.

    second, i *think* i got your meaning--you think we should all embrace technological 'progress.' so i didn't ignore it, although i may have misunderstood it.

    however, i refuse to embrace technological 'progress', as i see where it comes from, & where it's taking us, & i say we don't need it.

    & i'm not alone.

  • different planets NO different conclusions YES

    i*find it very strange that you deny acceptance of technological progress, while using that progress in nearly every aspect of your life especially to misunderstand my point of view & continually reading words into my comments such as "charity" & "progress" - which shift the meaning of the points i*am attempting to make, i*am obviously (& knowingly so) not very good at offering a coherent clarity to many people whom i*know should understand MY*BAD

  • as i said, i can see the roots of industrial technology (violence and exploitation) as well as its fruits (increasing immiseration on multiple levels), and that is why i reject it wholeheartedly.

    i have no intention of shifting the meaning of the points you are trying to make, only trying to understand them and respond.

    as for my use of technology, i'm just rattling my cup on the bars of my cage....

  • "cup on the bars" yes*indeed, as are we all ;)

    cutting back the bush is worth the effort, as the roots will support an entirely different plant, while the seed is simply a genetic copy that will require more time, energy and effort to raise than man*kind has left for its completion....

    for the destruction or salvation of this planet hangs on a very short window of opportunity at this late juncture.

  • not sure i follow your entire metaphor, but if you want to cut back the bush, have at it. because industrial civiliization is based on violence and domination at the very root, however, i say we need to abandon it altogether.

    it's harmful, it doesn't work, and it can't be 'fixed.' if it could be fixed, why then all the well-meaning people throughout history would have done so by now.

    and yes we are at a very critical point--that is the only reason why i even bother with youtube

  • i*agree it can't be "fixed" yet it can*be changed without the need to destroy or abandon the true roots, just the root cause of its nurture & growth, FEAR. for the true roots of industrial civilization are common*unity & the desire to profit toward equality

    That we*have allowed fear to distort & control its development and growth, is a responsibility that can*be owned, changed & improved to benefit the planet

    Cut it back return to the root of its culture origins, the profit of the common good

  • and.... the "well-meaning people throughout history" HAVE BEEN DOING SO, just as WE are N.O.W. the difference today, the planet is about to kick our ass & so the lack of will & intelligent thinking & action is rapidly losing favor, FEAR is losing its cold, heartless grip... Humanity will prevail if this continues to be the case, learning to cooperate with each, the other & the planet.

  • and... yes*if - "we need to abandon it altogether" - i*will be right there with those who take up the process, as that is where my skills and knowledge rest, for nature offers he'r very best and demands only the same in return, something i*have been living all*ways...

  • Is this a joke? (I am asking this in earnest, because I find this unbelievable in any society, especially ours, and that voice was sort of weird.)

    So if it's a joke, ha ha. But if it's real, just shoot me.

  • not a joke

    (see sidebar)

    and i don't want to shoot you :o)

  • so blackberry goes and "electronic blackberry" is added? that is foolish!

    have you noticed how the word "effect"

    has been replaced by "impact" and the

    word "important" has been replaced

    by "key".......did you know beavers have

    been reintroduced in scotland the

    salmon fishermen aren,t happy but

    i figure they,ll be really annoyed when

    they bring back wolves and bears :)

  • oh don't get me started, lapis

    yeah everything is an impact now

    have you noticed the death of the preposition?

    the splitting of compound nouns?

    yes i saw that beavers are being reintroduced in scotland--they used to be gigantic, which would *really* frighten the fishermen

    i had a beaver friend who used to race me in the lake

    actually, he just paced me--he was much faster than i could ever hope to be, but he just liked the game

    i miss him....

    nice to see you, lapis

  • I gave up on language when I first heard someone say "pwn" in a conversation.

    not to fear, there are still some words that will never lose meaning, like freedom, justice and equality...oh wait.

    I guess we'll just have to settle with Justifiable homicide.

  • I like that they deleted "blackberry" in exchange for "electronic blackberry." I'm much more likely to use a tree for email anyhow, I'm ok with the change.

    When the deleted word was "beaver" I thought this video was going in an entirely different direction. Oops.

  • Oh Lord! What is the world coming 2? Now the young ones will have no idea what a beaver is...

  • but, but, but, but, but, but, but, the dictionary says civilization is advacement!

    d'oh!

  • jesus fucking christ.

  • funny that's exactly what i said

  • Fahrenheit 451.

    Twenty-six of us can get together and each memorize one section of the dictionary so that the children will know what we're talking about when nature and dictionaries are gone.

    Beavers and polar bears.

    And sycamore trees.

    Clean water.

    And fresh air.

  • Well, even the dictionaries we have are filled with the opinion of mother culture, so I think we need to teach our children about the real world ourselves.

  • oh, is that all we have to do?

    i'll get right on memorizing the Zs.

  • good plan, reliable

  • Wow.

  • wtf?

    Not my Dictionary!!!

  • beaver is better than broadband kids...

  • heh

  • Read 1984 - this is EXACTLY what they're doing, they are distorting the language to artificially push out concepts such as Truth, Integrity, Freedom and Nature from the collective mind. This shit doesn't happen over night, we are *gradually* molded by this form of mind control. And it works well when you distract the mind with disney, sex, drugs and the rest of what's known as "culture" here in Babylon.

    Babylon fall.

  • ya see tags ;^)

    topple every tower

    thanks beatnuk

  • Clovers are out..Well we are out of luck!

    Indeed ignorance can't be well educated also.

    Far out short and sweet..and sour!

    Great video!

  • Why am I not surprised? For anything to change we need to convince 270 million Americans to turn off their TV. It only tells lies.

  • lol "gee, aw that says it all"

  • when the word 'revolution' is removed,

    assume its all over but the cryin !

    (thanx for making the video i wish i made)

  • yoiggg i don't wanna see that day

    (well it's about time

    practically every video you make i wish i had made)

  • worse, when 'revolution' is used by every other ad campaign or used to describe the minute changes in industrial production, or the new fixtures in a department store- that's when the word can be dead or suffocating under a pile of emptiness.

  • great point, mike

    like we've been robbed of the words 'sustainable' and 'green'

    or like i saw a sign on a beauty parlor the other day that said 'be the change you wish to see'

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    Enter the text in the image to continue posting. gUESS what the word was i had to spell in the box ? revolution !?!

    may the word rest in pieces,

    bring on the soulution !

  • yeS!

  • this really saddens me =(

  • me too, sammie

  • Maybe they took those words out because everyone knows what an acorn and a beaver and a clover are? just maybe?

  • oh queen you remind me of myself :P

    'fraid not....

  • Is this for real? WOW

    Herons on the verge of extinction -who needs to know what they are!

  • surely you cannot be serious? please, please tell me you are joking.

  • she is joking. check out her videos. she loves the plants and the critters with all of her heart.

  • I guess maybe it sounded like I wasn't being sarcastic. Sorry! I just had a long visit with a bunch of herons (at a zoo) this week.

  • Whew! I am glad to hear that =)

  • hmmm.. somethings wrong here....

  • I'd question why they took words out and not just added the new ones in.

  • i read an article on this and the people running the book take out words with declning currency. so a word used by a generation or two ago is not usually included in new editions.

  • yeah so it's descriptive, not proscriptive

    either way it's tragic

    perhaps it's even more tragic being descriptive, because if it were proscriptive at least we could shake our fists at the tyrants

    it's one thing to lose a word like 'jitterbug' or 'groovy'

    but it's entirely different to lose a word like 'heron' or 'beaver'

  • i know too many people that 'can't live without blackberries'. i don't want a future where kids scarcely know what real blackberries (god damn, i have to actually write that) are.

    it's also interesting that these things are called after blackberry or apple.

    on a side note, in a couple weeks ill have the magically subversive pleasure of rummaging through raspberries and blackberries near this office park where the dilberts work.

  • that just sux.

  • yep

    just makes me even more aware of how language creates culture, and more committed to not letting the culture "train" me

  • that says it all... what's of value are the things we use and interact with the most.

  • yeah

    key word: "things"

  • it is interesting that the world has become an object for us to manipulate and lost it's status as a subject, a living breathing interactive force to engage. i've worked as volunteer for years with young people and i've always been surprised when the 'belief' that words themselves contain meaning is expressed.the meanings reside within us, and words are merely pointing sticks or representative of what we wish to point to and yet the confusion remains there. the "power" of language is daunting.

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