You can! Louieismore than willing toanswer anyquestiopns, maybeeven invite you to go there to train for a while,100's of articles, videos onyoutube, very educational.
I did my first wide, low back squat yesterday, & not only am I feeling it in my glutes, & hips today, but in my upper back to, & I love it......& yes I usually do high narrow squats.
daniel grabowski does not do wide stance squats, moreover, unlike the jacked guys from WSB, the guy is natural and squats more than those WSB guys... i'd say these are bollocks.
Im a strength coach and Olympic Style Lifter/trainer......I have my athlete use the olympic style stance for normal front and back squats.....but on our light squat day (dynamic) I throw in box squats wide stance.....it absolutely helps with flexibility and abductor/adductor activation
i want to see a westside powerlifter or any american powerlifer who follows the conjugate system, do a high bar, narrow to medium stance, no suit, no wraps, no belt, olympic back squat to below parallel, and have it be comparable to pat mendes or rob adell. all this talk by louie says that wide develops narrow, so lets see it then. Mendes and Adell are squat freaks, and they are not powerlifters
@hybridman if they wanted to, they would. they dont want to, so they dont. simple. both lifting sports have tremendous squatters. it time everyone from both worlds gave credit whereit is due.sure, no one is denying the multi ply squats arent asdeep as a lot of single ply squats, but even so, its a LOT of weight to handle.
@1rockoe i agree that wide converts to in but in doesnt covert to wide. but at the very end when he talks about their different body types pertaining to squat coverting to deadlift what does that difference between them mean? wouldnt anyone doing squats covert to deadlift bc of muscle group similaries?
@rogue8853 he said to the man that his physique [not louie's] if he came in andtrained the squat his deadlift would go up too. i think he's refering to this guy cause he hasnt got a lot of hard powerlifting training under hisbelt. but yes, if u train hams, glutes, low back, abs hard both will go up. This depends on each person's bodytype, etc. we all know diofferent training will affect different people. i dont underastand why people criticise westside, etc. Different strokes 4 different folks!!
@1rockoe ok thats what i thought. didnt know if he meant bc hes taller and leaner or something. im not a fan of westsides box squatting as much with a SUPER wide stance bc it seems more for geared lifting. but maybe not. or the emph. to squat toes forward. but hes smart and knows his stuff. love ripp, wendler, and simmons though
@rogue8853 i lift rawAND in gear [single ply] and i train this way all the time and both raw and geared have been both going up now for several years. the key is to know where your weaknessed are. the box squat and comp squat [ipf] are different exercises. i dont believe its more for geared lifting. the westside guys train to maximise their lifts WEARING GEAR, so i think thats where people think that their training only increases gearlifting, because thats all westside do.
@rogue8853 its bad for you if you do it incorectly. like any exercise, you can get hurt if you do it with bad technique. only meant for gear? i dont think so, this all depoends on your body structure. there's only one way to find out, and that is to give it a try for several months and see how you go.
@hybridman i dont believe much in what LS says, for now. i have comparison to any other lifters coz nobody from wsb camp is at IPF and competes at the highest level there, so its hard to say if they would be as good as they are without that much juice they spike themselves in their asses.
I think this segment is the most informative and has the most useful information of all as far as squatting, deadlifting, and general sprinting and athletic movements are concerned. Wish I knew this 30 years ago when I first started lifting. Thanks Lou for all your help and information.
Nippon1971 should probably be worrying about his own things and not looking at everybodys "faults" Do your sport the way you do it and every man to himself ....If powerlifters want to lift the way they do its the way they do it for their sport its what their federations rule as 3 white lights ..
External rotation to squat ??? Is that a new discovery to human anatomy ???. You mean to tell us Louie that the bone by the quadriceps rotate ?? Man.....what the hell are U talking about ?? Your squaters can not even execute a deep ass to grass squat!!!
@Nippon1971 one of us needs to send u an anatomy and physiology book. the hip is a ball joint so of course it rotates. the direction and anatomy of the glutes are NOT straight down, but slanted at a nearly 45 degree angle. also the gluteus medius and gluteus minimus can help a squat. squatting wide requires strength in all glutess. box squatting is HARDER than normal squatting and makes you more explosive. also, the quads will activate just the same in all stances.
@SplinterCellFugitive OK then westside suqatters according to what you say, they should be squat (back squat) an easy 800lbs WITHOUT squat gimmicks...Never the less, I never saw one doing this. What do I mean ? Click on this title on youtube : " 800 pound / 363 kg Squat - ATG 100% RAW " and honesly tell me if any westside squatter can do that RAW....I seriousle doubt that !!!
@Nippon1971 no one can squat ultra wide raw, they train ultra wide with briefs on to build there close stance raw squat. Pay attention listen with your ears not your personal opinion so you can use this to build strength, speed or muscle or all of the above
@SplinterCellFugitive My only query was concerning the form of executing squat really....Yes I'm sure there are people who squat a lot raw too but with which form my question would be......
@Nippon1971 squatting wider is harder since it requires more flexibility. I suppose if you have really strong hips the wide woulc be as easy as close. Westside trains wide most of the time but they also train close and reap the benefits of everything
@Nippon1971 I'm truly sorry you feel that way but personally the man is a genius I myself squat ass to grass so you won't see me squatting 700 raw anytime soon but Louie's system is correct if you use it properly
@Nippon1971 so if you disagree with his methods give him a call at westside and explain it to him, he's a reasonable guy and he's never to busy to prove a point. You have a good argument stick to your heart and tell the man what you really think
If Louie has so gifted squaters I'd die to see a segment with his lifters doing FRONT SQUAT with ass to grass form !! Then we see how good they are !!! Remember now that front squat is a bitch to do !! Let's see how Louie's extraterrestrial form of squat can deal with the most demanding squat exercise......come on Louie show us !!!
he's probably talking about inthe usa. but yes, that dude is a freak! i have seenvideos of top powerlifters squatting powerlifting wide [much wider than olympic lifters squat wide] in the 700's raw for 3 - 5 reps, deep].
Olympic lifters can not squat ???? WHAT ???? Well, Husein Raza of Iran can squat Olympic style = ass to grass with 330kg = 726 lbs WITHOUT GEAR like knee wraps, suits or some stupid things like these, for 2 reps !! Also front squat the same way 280kg = 616 lbs !! NONE powerlifter ever squat that !!! So the comment was out of order !!
@Nippon1971 I'm pretty sure Donnie Thompson, Chad Aichs, Marc Bartley, Matt Wenning etc, all 1000+ lb equipped squatters can hit more than 700 lbs raw bro. so no I believe your comment is out of order. Gear does alot for you, but if you don't have base strength you can't squat big.
@GoPioneersLaser0 You mean they can squat deep ? Ass to grass with 700lbs ?? I seriously doubt that !! Besides my comment was not if these guys you mentioned can squat big or not, my comment was first that Louie said that: "Olympic lifters can not squat "...primarily for that....
@GoPioneersLaser0 For instance can they (Donnie Thompson, Chad Aichs, Marc Bartley, Matt Wenning - that you mentioned) squat like this : Click at the title of a video called "800 pound / 363 kg Squat - ATG 100% RAW"
@Nippon1971 I'd be willing to bet that they could do something similar to that in their prime. and hell I can hit a 455 oly squat and I suck so I'd say yes somebody who can post over 1000 in a powersquat can oly squat 700. like Louie said in the video, wide squats will make your tight squats better. The man knows what the hell he's talking about.
@GoPioneersLaser0 So this is what squat is, not some wide stance, half squat movement. I mean Olympic lifters rely on their legs o lift 2 times their weight overhead. It's a silly and out of order comment to say "Olympic lifters can not squat" !!!
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Monsterchief300 2 weeks ago
DAMN WORD.
bigmuscleify 3 weeks ago
You can! Louieismore than willing toanswer anyquestiopns, maybeeven invite you to go there to train for a while,100's of articles, videos onyoutube, very educational.
1rockoe 1 month ago
i wish i could have a guy like this teach me how to squat :(
kvnd7331 1 month ago
generally, the wider the better, but u will hav to experiment to see whats best 4 u. some people are more suited to extra wide, ans ome are not.
1rockoe 2 months ago
how wide should your stance be?
matt3227 2 months ago in playlist Louie Simmons
I did my first wide, low back squat yesterday, & not only am I feeling it in my glutes, & hips today, but in my upper back to, & I love it......& yes I usually do high narrow squats.
lgsintheparty 3 months ago
daniel grabowski does not do wide stance squats, moreover, unlike the jacked guys from WSB, the guy is natural and squats more than those WSB guys... i'd say these are bollocks.
xghoulx 3 months ago
Im a strength coach and Olympic Style Lifter/trainer......I have my athlete use the olympic style stance for normal front and back squats.....but on our light squat day (dynamic) I throw in box squats wide stance.....it absolutely helps with flexibility and abductor/adductor activation
hzlwdcntrlftbll 4 months ago
i want to see a westside powerlifter or any american powerlifer who follows the conjugate system, do a high bar, narrow to medium stance, no suit, no wraps, no belt, olympic back squat to below parallel, and have it be comparable to pat mendes or rob adell. all this talk by louie says that wide develops narrow, so lets see it then. Mendes and Adell are squat freaks, and they are not powerlifters
hybridman 4 months ago
@hybridman if they wanted to, they would. they dont want to, so they dont. simple. both lifting sports have tremendous squatters. it time everyone from both worlds gave credit whereit is due.sure, no one is denying the multi ply squats arent asdeep as a lot of single ply squats, but even so, its a LOT of weight to handle.
1rockoe 4 months ago 5
@1rockoe i agree that wide converts to in but in doesnt covert to wide. but at the very end when he talks about their different body types pertaining to squat coverting to deadlift what does that difference between them mean? wouldnt anyone doing squats covert to deadlift bc of muscle group similaries?
rogue8853 3 months ago
@rogue8853 he said to the man that his physique [not louie's] if he came in andtrained the squat his deadlift would go up too. i think he's refering to this guy cause he hasnt got a lot of hard powerlifting training under hisbelt. but yes, if u train hams, glutes, low back, abs hard both will go up. This depends on each person's bodytype, etc. we all know diofferent training will affect different people. i dont underastand why people criticise westside, etc. Different strokes 4 different folks!!
1rockoe 3 months ago
@1rockoe ok thats what i thought. didnt know if he meant bc hes taller and leaner or something. im not a fan of westsides box squatting as much with a SUPER wide stance bc it seems more for geared lifting. but maybe not. or the emph. to squat toes forward. but hes smart and knows his stuff. love ripp, wendler, and simmons though
rogue8853 3 months ago
@rogue8853 i lift rawAND in gear [single ply] and i train this way all the time and both raw and geared have been both going up now for several years. the key is to know where your weaknessed are. the box squat and comp squat [ipf] are different exercises. i dont believe its more for geared lifting. the westside guys train to maximise their lifts WEARING GEAR, so i think thats where people think that their training only increases gearlifting, because thats all westside do.
1rockoe 3 months ago
ok ive heard that doing super wide squats in the PL squat is bad for you and only meant for gear. but gear or no gear, a wide stance is better?
rogue8853 2 months ago
@rogue8853 its bad for you if you do it incorectly. like any exercise, you can get hurt if you do it with bad technique. only meant for gear? i dont think so, this all depoends on your body structure. there's only one way to find out, and that is to give it a try for several months and see how you go.
1rockoe 2 months ago
@hybridman i dont believe much in what LS says, for now. i have comparison to any other lifters coz nobody from wsb camp is at IPF and competes at the highest level there, so its hard to say if they would be as good as they are without that much juice they spike themselves in their asses.
xghoulx 3 months ago
I think this segment is the most informative and has the most useful information of all as far as squatting, deadlifting, and general sprinting and athletic movements are concerned. Wish I knew this 30 years ago when I first started lifting. Thanks Lou for all your help and information.
tajsports10 6 months ago 2
in short, wide stance squatting kills close stance and requires MORE flexibility.
SplinterCellFugitive 6 months ago
exactly, each to their own. even if some of the squats arent as deep as otherfeds, there is no doubting they are very strong dudes!
1rockoe 7 months ago 5
Nippon1971 should probably be worrying about his own things and not looking at everybodys "faults" Do your sport the way you do it and every man to himself ....If powerlifters want to lift the way they do its the way they do it for their sport its what their federations rule as 3 white lights ..
guitarhumper15 7 months ago
External rotation to squat ??? Is that a new discovery to human anatomy ???. You mean to tell us Louie that the bone by the quadriceps rotate ?? Man.....what the hell are U talking about ?? Your squaters can not even execute a deep ass to grass squat!!!
Nippon1971 7 months ago
@Nippon1971 one of us needs to send u an anatomy and physiology book. the hip is a ball joint so of course it rotates. the direction and anatomy of the glutes are NOT straight down, but slanted at a nearly 45 degree angle. also the gluteus medius and gluteus minimus can help a squat. squatting wide requires strength in all glutess. box squatting is HARDER than normal squatting and makes you more explosive. also, the quads will activate just the same in all stances.
SplinterCellFugitive 6 months ago
@SplinterCellFugitive OK then westside suqatters according to what you say, they should be squat (back squat) an easy 800lbs WITHOUT squat gimmicks...Never the less, I never saw one doing this. What do I mean ? Click on this title on youtube : " 800 pound / 363 kg Squat - ATG 100% RAW " and honesly tell me if any westside squatter can do that RAW....I seriousle doubt that !!!
Nippon1971 6 months ago
@Nippon1971 no one can squat ultra wide raw, they train ultra wide with briefs on to build there close stance raw squat. Pay attention listen with your ears not your personal opinion so you can use this to build strength, speed or muscle or all of the above
wilgates9 6 months ago
@Nippon1971 Phil Harrington squatted 745 raw. with gear he goes over 900, but these men can indeed squat alot raw.
SplinterCellFugitive 3 months ago
@SplinterCellFugitive My only query was concerning the form of executing squat really....Yes I'm sure there are people who squat a lot raw too but with which form my question would be......
Nippon1971 3 months ago
@Nippon1971 squatting wider is harder since it requires more flexibility. I suppose if you have really strong hips the wide woulc be as easy as close. Westside trains wide most of the time but they also train close and reap the benefits of everything
SplinterCellFugitive 3 months ago
@Nippon1971 I'm truly sorry you feel that way but personally the man is a genius I myself squat ass to grass so you won't see me squatting 700 raw anytime soon but Louie's system is correct if you use it properly
wilgates9 6 months ago
@wilgates9 Maybe the system he uses is correct...But it's so no no no the squat style he use to call it "squat"......
Nippon1971 5 months ago
@Nippon1971 so if you disagree with his methods give him a call at westside and explain it to him, he's a reasonable guy and he's never to busy to prove a point. You have a good argument stick to your heart and tell the man what you really think
wilgates9 5 months ago
@wilgates9 Well I'd say I'm a bit far far from him and besides, I comment here my opinion and share other people's opinion.....
Nippon1971 5 months ago
@Nippon1971 OK dude no problem
wilgates9 5 months ago
If Louie has so gifted squaters I'd die to see a segment with his lifters doing FRONT SQUAT with ass to grass form !! Then we see how good they are !!! Remember now that front squat is a bitch to do !! Let's see how Louie's extraterrestrial form of squat can deal with the most demanding squat exercise......come on Louie show us !!!
Nippon1971 7 months ago
he's probably talking about inthe usa. but yes, that dude is a freak! i have seenvideos of top powerlifters squatting powerlifting wide [much wider than olympic lifters squat wide] in the 700's raw for 3 - 5 reps, deep].
1rockoe 8 months ago 2
Olympic lifters can not squat ???? WHAT ???? Well, Husein Raza of Iran can squat Olympic style = ass to grass with 330kg = 726 lbs WITHOUT GEAR like knee wraps, suits or some stupid things like these, for 2 reps !! Also front squat the same way 280kg = 616 lbs !! NONE powerlifter ever squat that !!! So the comment was out of order !!
Nippon1971 8 months ago
@Nippon1971 I'm pretty sure Donnie Thompson, Chad Aichs, Marc Bartley, Matt Wenning etc, all 1000+ lb equipped squatters can hit more than 700 lbs raw bro. so no I believe your comment is out of order. Gear does alot for you, but if you don't have base strength you can't squat big.
GoPioneersLaser0 8 months ago
@GoPioneersLaser0 You mean they can squat deep ? Ass to grass with 700lbs ?? I seriously doubt that !! Besides my comment was not if these guys you mentioned can squat big or not, my comment was first that Louie said that: "Olympic lifters can not squat "...primarily for that....
Nippon1971 8 months ago
@GoPioneersLaser0 For instance can they (Donnie Thompson, Chad Aichs, Marc Bartley, Matt Wenning - that you mentioned) squat like this : Click at the title of a video called "800 pound / 363 kg Squat - ATG 100% RAW"
Nippon1971 8 months ago
@Nippon1971 I'd be willing to bet that they could do something similar to that in their prime. and hell I can hit a 455 oly squat and I suck so I'd say yes somebody who can post over 1000 in a powersquat can oly squat 700. like Louie said in the video, wide squats will make your tight squats better. The man knows what the hell he's talking about.
GoPioneersLaser0 8 months ago
@GoPioneersLaser0 that being said that Broz dude is fucking impressive
GoPioneersLaser0 8 months ago
@GoPioneersLaser0 For a personal reason I'd disagree with Louie but hey...that's what you tube is all about !! exchanging ideas !!!
Nippon1971 8 months ago
@Nippon1971 I agree with that tumbs up. Hell to me it don't matter if you're an Oly lifter, Powerlifter, or a Strongman, its all fuckin awesome.
GoPioneersLaser0 8 months ago
@GoPioneersLaser0 So this is what squat is, not some wide stance, half squat movement. I mean Olympic lifters rely on their legs o lift 2 times their weight overhead. It's a silly and out of order comment to say "Olympic lifters can not squat" !!!
Nippon1971 8 months ago
hi,
in my experience, no and yes.
mark
1rockoe 9 months ago
does this hold true for sumo deadlifts? also does going wider activate more hip drive?
lllogical 9 months ago
@lllogical It has alot to to do with leverage, preference, and body make up.
sjm39 8 months ago