This means that if you happen to meet a hot virgin chick that is out of your league, you can have her so long as you rape her, she can be bought for fifty sheckles of silver. This could be seen as a bargain for a guy who is crazy about a chick, and the Lord okays it!
@doubleestark well of course the whole premise is that a girl is her fathers property until marriage then her husbands....if you rape her she has been defiled so she has no value as a wife. In thier "cultural context" they were chauvinistic morons....so frankly any man who defends such a position claiming it was "right" then is a pathetic waste of a penis. Ask if he would allow his daughter to marry her rapist just so long as the rapist coughed up the dough....
When I pointed this out to some christian the other day, he said the original hebrew didn't really mean rape. He said the hebrew word used meant "lie down" and that it was probably voluntary sex. I told him he was an idiot and that even if it was voluntary sex the woman is still forced into marriage without any say in the matter. It's obvious that it's about rape, though.
@omgwtfbbqxD He just made it up as an excuse cause he never really had a good answer for your question. Remember that shitty bible says his words are real and that they are forever. So why is rape not allowed in today's society, even though this god said it's ok?
I'm atheist and I agree with you, but I do find it interesting to note that I've heard it said that a possible reason laws like this may have been created is because in the sexphobic patriarchal culture a raped woman would be so looked down on that she would not have anyone else able to support her, so it was a way of holding the rapist accountable for her care...
Could they have made the Holy Babble more disgusting than it is? If it were somehow even more gut wrenching sickening, would people still claim it to be true?
Show me the wording that says that she had to marry the one that seized her. Show that the word translated rape means rape as we know it and not just sex with a boyfriend with no struggle.
There is no command for her to marry him and no command for the father to consent to the marriage. There is no indication that she would be stoned for she broke no command. BUt u reveal your own bias and your hostility towards God which means that unless things change you will experience eternal misery.
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The word rape is a horrible transliteration by NIV....take it from the Original KJV and you see it clearly is consensual...
25 But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die. (HE RAPED HERE >>> YAHWEH SAYS DEATH)
28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; ( CONSENSUAL PRE MARITAL SEX ) simple enough huh?
@KnowImillian The word rape is a horrible transliteration by NIV....take it from the Original KJV and you see it clearly is consensual...
25 But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die. (HE RAPED HERE >>> YAHWEH SAYS DEATH)
28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; ( CONSENSUAL PRE MARITAL SEX ) simple enough huh?
@airwax22 You miss the part where betrothed means engaged to be married. So, no it wasn't a bad translation (you should know the difference between translation and transliteration. They don't mean the same thing).
The punishment for getting caught raping an engaged woman is death. The punishment for raping a single woman - is marriage to the single woman. Also, consider that in this culture a single woman was likely a virgin - punishment for raping a virgin is marriage. Could God be more just?
@57worldwide - Geez you're a moron...Okay lemme break it down for you simple minded idiots one more time - (first off , a Transliteration is a subset of the science of hermeneutics. It is a form of translation, and is the practice of converting a text from one script into another. The NIV is predominantly a "transliteration" or what is commonly refered to as a "thought for thought" rendering verses a "word for word" translation as is the King James.) Got that Dummie????
@airwax22 You are right (in the sense that it does not say there was force in the sexual act), but you are only punished with death if you rape an engaged or married woman. There is NO punishment of death if you are caught raping a virgin (if you can find the verse pointing to where raping a virgin, who is not engaged, is punished with anything other than marriage in 22:28-29, show me where I can find it).
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@TheHeidelbergKid I found a link by google searching it. But when you click on the link it says the video was removed for violating Youtube's terms of service. :/
You were never a christian, you were always a fraud. ANd u will remain a fraud for u are what ever u believe is presently in ur best interest. You will wilt in the light and I expect u to run soon.
1. Most? Most when? Now or then? And the word is not rape but seize.
2. Young girls were the only ones not married and young girls remained with the family
3. She mustve deliverately went off on her own.
4. She would have had to meet the man alone in order for this to take place ....
...bc marriage was very important for the survival of a young woman and virginity was an essential to being marriable.
Yall are twisted and deserve hell. All you vain attempt to charge God will fail for if an idiot like me can disarm your lies how much more the infinitely wise creator at the judgment.
@j919or That doesn't change the fact that this is sick. Surely, the most intelligent being in the universe could have thought of a better way. No one is twisting anything, you're just making excuses for something that is obviously sick. Perhaps if your daughter got raped and was forced to do this, you wouldn't make excuses.
"Yall are twisted and deserve hell. "
Because we don't agree with your holy book...we deserve hell? That's the god of the bible for you. Do as I say or burn.
You judge from a non cultural non involved viewpoint. You apply modern standards to the ancient world. There is alot that they knew about their world that we dont know. BTW you deserve hell bc u choose to remain in a state of hatred towards God, forever justifying that state for eternity.
@j919or If you lived in those times, you'd say that it was right for your daughter to marry her rapist? This god of love is above the laws of the land. If it was sick now, it's sick then. Correction, you can't hate something you don't believe in. That's just as ridiculous as me hating the tooth fairy. Also, I don't choose what I believe in. No one does. Btw, which god? There are hundreds of beliefs (gods).
A person deserves to be tortured for simply not believing in the existence of a being?
@j919or If you lived in those times, you'd say that it was right for your daughter to marry her rapist? This god of love is above the laws of the land. If it was sick now, it's sick then. Correction, you can't hate something you don't believe in. That's just as ridiculous as me hating the tooth fairy. Also, I don't choose what I believe in. No one does. Btw, which god? There are hundreds of beliefs (gods).
@1bzoe You know little. It wasnt a crime to marry a non virgin. Adultery was harmful to the spouse and to the community and to the children. The maiden wasnt forced to marry the rapist. And there is a likelyhood that the rapist was a boyfriend.
You reveal ur bias by spouting these misconceptions and show that God must ban you to hell and ur destructive essense.
Yes I probably would bc the likelihood is that the rapist was a boyfriend and that it was like the equivalent of a shot gun wedding in the mountains of west virginia.
Sick now sick then? You know nothing of ancient cultures and customs. Some lands eat dog and cat while other find that absolutely disgusting.
You like the idea of self rule and hate the idea of a God that has the right to control ur life. Admit it! You arre under the illusion that u r ur own god.
@j919or What? Most rapists are not boyfriends. I'm talking about the typical rapist and you know that but you're afraid to answer.
People progress as a society as we learn more. At one time, it was ok to own slaves (something that's in the bible). It seems that your delusion (god) changes according to how society changes.
Lol yeah, typical Christian. Thinks he knows everything about me. I used to be a Christian. Beliefs don't change based on choice. Facts and evidence changes beliefs.
@1bzoe You were never a christian, you were always a fraud. ANd u will remain a fraud for u are what ever u believe is presently in ur best interest. You will wilt in the light and I expect u to run soon.
1. Most? Most when? Now or then? And the word is not rape but seize.
2. Young girls were the only ones not married and young girls remained with the family
3. She mustve deliverately went off on her own.
4. She would have had to meet the man alone in order for this to take place ....
@1bzoe Slavery? Its morally nuetral. Its the attitude of the act that makes it evil or good. but u claim that God changes according ot society? Of course He does. Circumstances change and people change. God meets people at their level and works to bring them towards righteousness.
1. Dietary commands change for food conditions change
2. Family arrangements and responsibilities change
@j919or "Slavery? Its morally nuetral. Its the attitude of the act that makes it evil or good." Care to explain that?
God meets people at their level? Where does it say that in the bible (or anything similar to that)? People adjust their belief systems based on the time (not the other way around). MAN MADE GOD in his image and there is no proof to the contrary.
Don't ignore my question about rape. That's just as frustrating as people ignoring questions about human sacrafice.
@1bzoe j919or is the last person you ever want to talk to. He redefines words, claims what he wants to be moral to be moral, and what he wants to be evil to be evil to meet his purpose. He says that he turned to God because he realized how evil he was, but the truth is that evil (arrogance) is still there, its just taken different form, and now he feels he has God on his side so he doesn't need to feel bad. There is no hope for him. Save yourself the trouble and leave him alone.
@j919or No, you were the one who stopped talking to me. And I'm just letting him know the he has a better chance of throwing the entire Pacific Ocean to the top of Mt. Everest before there is even the slightest chance of reasoning with you.
@JackDavid6405 ""you're an 8 year old."" And thank you for showing all readers that you have no argument except ad hominem attacks. I answered your allegation that I lacked reason with several reasons, arguments and evidences and all you could muster was the above? Typical of an unbeliever. He loves the dark and throwing mud. Now stand up like a man and tell us what the true bible's meaning of rape is in the video. Next tell us why u think she had to marry the one that seized her.
@j919or You did not answer my allegations. You were the one who attacked me with nothing but ad hominem with all those "translations" of yours, which were nothing but class A examples of what I was talking about earlier. You love to redefine anything to fit your own purposes, because that's all you're capable of mustering. You're the one who loves his own arrogance in believing God is on his side in all things, and believes throwing around nothing but insults and lies is proof of anything.
@j919or " tell us what the true bible's meaning of rape is in the video."
That a girl who was raped had to marry her rapist, and her dad got paid 50 sheckles for it. But you already knew that didn't you? You're just afraid of admitting how wrong and terrible God was, because that means you'll have to admit how wrong and terrible you are. So you say it's something else so you and God don't look so bad anymore.
@JackDavid6405 ""girl who was raped had to marry her rapist, ""
Show me the wording that says that she had to marry the one that seized her. Show that the word translated rape means rape as we know it and not just sex with a boyfriend with no struggle.
@j919or You're interpreting the bible the way you want it. I find it funny how everything good in the bible is taken exactly how it's written, but anything that is sick and twisted, theist make excuses. You have no right to ever tell someone that defends the koran that it's a sick book. They make as much excuses as you do. You choose to ignore certain things and make excuses because you were told that this "god" who we can't see or hear is good.And to make matters worse, you ignore my questions.
@j919or It's something nearly every modern day Christian does lol. You ignore every evil thing that "God" and/or Jesus said in the Bible, and not just the Old Testament. For instance, are you against slavery? If so, you contrast Jesus' word, which said, "Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ." To be honest, the only difference between you guys and the Arab extremists is that they actually take their holy book seriously.
@deadshot1995 "" you contrast Jesus' word, which said, "Slaves, obey your earthly masters""
Nah. Dont run away yet, for you arent finished exposing urself as wilfull illiterate. Jesus doesnt endorse slavery. He tells believers how to react to it. He doesnt endorse persecution but tells believers how to react to it. "Rejoice and be exceedingly glad" mt5.12.
@j919or What do you mean prove it? It's as clear as day. You take everything that can be looked on as bad and interpret it in some other way like the rapist passage and then take good things and take it for what it is. No different than a Muslim that defends the koran or a person that defends Hitler. I'm done with you, because much like other Christians, you're intellectually dishonest, not to mention the fact that I'm also getting the idea that you're not even mature enough to take serious.
@j919or "tell us why u think she had to marry the one that seized her."
Because the "cultured" (as you put it) men of that time believed a woman was worthless to get married to if she wasn't a virgin, and therefore had to marry her rapist. And then they claimed God said the same thing so they could feel more reassured about themselves.
@1bzoe Slavery is a human work arrangement. If the master is cool then the slave loves it. If the master is abusive, the slave hates it. Kids are slaves too. They cant just do what they want and come and go as they please. if the parents are cool great and most kids find security in that slave arrangement. ALso there are different levels of slavery. Slaves could sue their masters in some arrangements in the ancient world. And I answered ur rape questions. Read my comments.
@j919or Slaves have no rights. You killed a slave, it was fine. You kill your kid, you're going to jail buddy. A slave is someone's property so you're wrong.
No you did not answer it. You discussed rape in terms of boyfriends and i pointed out that most rape victims are not raped by their bf. Answer my question concerning a crazed man off the street raping your daughter. This is just one in many examples of things in the bible people have to do mental backflips to explain. I want an answer.
@1bzoe I agree that there are different levels of slavery and different levels of slave owners. Show where it was fine ot murder a slave.
I showed that the context reveals that this young girl marrying her "seizer" implies but does not demand that the one that seized her be a rapist and was most likely a bf.
Further, the one that seized her had to marry her but she did not have to marry him for the command is to the seizer not the girl and her father.
@1bzoe I agree that there are different levels of slavery and different levels of slave owners. Show where it was fine ot murder a slave.
I showed that the context reveals that this young girl marrying her "seizer" implies but does not demand that the one that seized her be a rapist and was most likely a bf.
Further, the one that seized her had to marry her but she did not have to marry him for the command is to the seizer not the girl and her father.
@j919or " Show where it was fine to murder a slave." I'm going to pretend I didn't read that. I personally don't think anyone can be that ignorant.
You showed nothing. That is an assumption you want to be the case although the passage doesn't support it. The girl didn't have to marry her rapist? "He MUST marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives." Where does it say that she had a choice? Excuses, excuses. "Darkness"? How old are you..10?
@1dekidejo ""she dosent mary him she will be stoned ""
There is no command for her to marry him and no command for the father to consent to the marriage. There is no indication that she would be stoned for she broke no command. BUt u reveal your own bias and your hostility towards God which means that unless things change you will experience eternal misery.
@j919or Virginity was an essential to being marriable, because non-virgins(or anyone misconstrued to not be a virgin) would be stoned to death on their wedding night.
Who's rule was that?
By the way, someone who accepts absolutely heinous things as perfectly moral, would be far more deserving of hell in my book, than someone who isn't willing to turn their better moral judgement off. But an unending hell in itself, is completely unjust, and only would be created by a wicked deity.
@xQuciferx ""not be a virgin) would be stoned to death ""
This was more of the preventative against adultery. The woman committed adultery bc she wasnt a virgin on the wedding night. Adultery was punished by stoning. Sex produced new life and new life was not to be messed with by messing with the vehicle namely marriage. Remember the one year betrothal period preceded the consumation of marriage.
@j919or You can't commit adultery before marriage. Nor is it a crime worth stoning to death for, or any punishment arranged by anyone else than the couple involved. The point is that, the biblical god set up the system of making virginity a requirement for marriage, so forcing a rape victim to marry the rapist wasn't really to her benefit. Yes she would have a hard time marrying and surviving because of it, but it's that god that made the rules that made so hard for her in the first place.
@xQuciferx You know little. It wasnt a crime to marry a non virgin. Adultery was harmful to the spouse and to the community and to the children. The maiden wasnt forced to marry the rapist. And there is a likelyhood that the rapist was a boyfriend.
You reveal ur bias by spouting these misconceptions and show that God must ban you to hell and ur destructive essense.
Yawn. Yall know nothing of ancient culture and custom and understanding what is written w/o addition of assumptions. First the word rape is best translated seize and it is unlikely that a girl would be alone unless she had some sort of relationship with the man.
Next, it no where says that she must marry the man. Also the father has the right to refusal for no where does it say the father has to take the 50. Rather this was the mitigation of the damages that if u have sex u must follow thru
@lilkrn13 That's why you find it amusing? Where has he tried to "prove the bible wrong"? It seems like he's just pointing out how absurd this particular passage of the Bible is...
Would you say that commanding a rapist to marry his victim is wrong?
No, he's just telling you that you have to be a sick bastard or completely oblivious of what the bible actually says to believe god is a perfect, just being.
@lilkrn13 The bible's been proved wrong in so many different areas its not even funny. I think the only thing they haven't found wrong yet is "the". But even though its been shot to hell, all the mindless followers just plug their ears, cover their eyes, and go "lalalalalala" genesis is completely wrong, so no flood, not original sin, no jesus, and you're not supposed to steal, but you've stolen all of your holidays.
@lilkrn13 What you have to realise is, when a Christian states "The Bible is the perfect source of morality," we only need to find ONE example that contradicts it in order to prove the statement completely false. We're not trying to prove the entire bible wrong, we're just trying to make people realise that it is incredibly stupid to assume that the bible is at all necessary in today's society. Science and secularism are far more useful.
This is assuming the lies that are constantly given to Jesus who is God, and it is unfair to the max. Just judge yourself, and be safe when Gods light shines. It it so bloody simple.That is all you have to do. Then thank God when he saves you. Doing this slander against God who you think is bad in the old will only hurt the one slandering Gods name. No slanderers in heaven remember that.
It's a stupid law, but in that cultural context, it would have been difficult for a rape victim to find a husband and probably difficult for a woman without a husband to survive or be respected. They were also VERY big on making sure people had descendants; they were probably more focused on making sure the men had sons, but a woman being able to have a child raised by his/her father was likely a priority as well.
When I put this verse to a creationist he said, it is just because the man is reminded of his crime. I said your a fucking idiot and obviously have no concept of what it would do to the woman and also no realization that the man would be like hell yeah! That kind of law opens it up to go and rape girls for the sake of marrying them. Disgusting like the majority of the bible, old and new.
That is the law in Indian cultural context too. It is either get married to rapist or both the victim and the rapist suffer the death penalty. The rapist will be killed by the people and the victim will be asked to commit suicide or live a life of isolation for the rest of your life but most girls commit suicide even before asked. Of course that is not the law of the Government of India , it is the law of the people of India ( when I say the people of India I do not mean just Hindus)
@sagar246246 well there are a lot of those 'isolated' villages in India and many city people still have that mentality but are unable to do anything because of the laws protecting the victims.Things are not as bad as they were 100 years ago , things but improvements are still required
@Numfarh and when thinking in that moral system, and the first objective is to help her, instead of to hurt him, then this is an appropriate "solution"
All the muslims I know work in corner stores or hookah bars. They usually give free gifts to the girls that come in. I think that they think that if she accepts the gift, she's down for some sex.
I was debating a theist the other day and when I said that the bible condones rape,incest,etc etc. I was told " No it most certainly does not!" I then mentioned a few verses and was told " Ohhh well there is your problem, that is old test" and then they went on to tell me how fucked up my skew on the bible was. If I only had the brains to believe in the new and improved friendly, fuzzy jesus. I could see the TRUE light of their god. BWahaha ,, Brain washed fools,,LOL
who knew the first Hebrews and YAWEH was white? lol some dimwittted people need to get their facts straight!!!!!! o my you are so funny !!!!!!!! polluting people's minds!!!!
@tgz1000 Not quite. I'm afraid it'll have to be a woman you rape, and she can't be pledged to be married — otherwise you and/or she will suffer the consequences.
This video has really opened my eyes. I don't need to ask a girls father for permission to marry his daughter. All I need to do is to rape a girl I like and we'll be married for life.
It'll probably be best to rape a young girls. It'll be easier. >:)
hehe i dont believe but i think it was meant that HE has to support her and just cant leave her all by herself. And i also think it was meant that the woman can be against it, it isnt said if she cannot say no.
When Christians say you are taking a verse out of context or interpreting it wrongly; what they really mean is you are not putting the right spin on it to make it say what they want to hear.
"Oh stop crying, girl!" LMFAO! Absolutely brilliant, even if it is a little insensitive to those of us who got stuck married to nagging whores simply because we raped them.
If I recall correctly, the scripture did not say "raped" but had something to do with fornication (sex out of wedlock). Just sayin'. Also, the father can stop the marriage. She does not HAVE to marry the man. Anyways, was ancient Britain any better? Doubt it.
Nicely done. Brutal but straight up. Do the "happy" couple still get a honeymoon to enjoy their "wedded bliss" and how do you reckon they'll go with the in-laws now? I like the "if they're discovered" clause there too. If they're not .. then what? its okay or something?
yes yes who are we to question the laws by the creator of the universe...rape any woman you like and you get her, and thats why teen pregnancy is going so high because its only way for girls not to marry some rapist by losing their virginity early
@realpolodon Okay, since you are so familiar with the Law, what were those two instances of lawbreaking? And why do you think the Babylonian Talmud did not originate in Babylon....did they think the name sounded cool? Why did the Jews affix the name of their lunar calendar with the names of Babylonian gods? (The calendar of Moses was based upon the Egyptian calendar, not the Babylonian.)
@realpolodon YEHOWSHUA Christ disagreed with the TALMUD, not the Torah. He broke none of YAHWEH'S Laws and commandments, but only those traditions of men that Talmudic Judaism, which is a corrupt counterfeit religion out of Babylon and still is, taught. If you can't understand theological concepts like this, I suggest you find another hobby instead of trying to refute things you have no understanding of. Your time is better spent elsewhere.
@ViperstudiosNG Let's see here...you, presumably with little or no understanding of ancient Hebrew, are denying what the original Hebrew is stating, which I just told you, in favor of an erroneous translation/understanding of it...because to accept the real meaning, you would be denying yourself fodder for mockery, and you certainly do not want that. You want to be able to ridicule what it says. In doing so, you show you are incapable of understanding.
Hah, ha! The real ancient Hebrew text says "shakab", which means to have intercourse with....nowhere does it say it was forced! I'd like to find this atheist Bible everyone seems to use that has wacky translations that are nothing like the actual Hebrew text. It apparently is quite hilarious!
@PZG4SS Er.. you are wrong... if you read the entire passage its pretty clear this is talking about rape. Also are you claiming that all the modern translations are wrong and you are right?
@pubuman It might be talking about that in YOUR mind, but since I just told you that the Hebrew does not say rape at all, it proves you are an ignorant git! Even the King James doesn't say that. The only two versions I have that say "rape" are the Good News and the Living Bible, both of which are terrible translations altogether. I'm sure the NIV says that, too...because it's the worst of all. "Modern" does not equal "accurate" by far. They're usually more corrupt, in fact.
@PZG4SS King James version says, "lay hold on her, and lie with her". How could that be interpreted as anything but rape?
And let's say it's not rape - so what? I thought marriage was about love. How does being forced to marry someone you don't love benefit anyone?
Finally, since these translations are supposedly causing so much trouble, why then did your god think it was a good idea to give humans many languages?
@TheGreaterSatan Even many Christians assume that God actually "wrote" the Bible...and non-Christians are very willing to comply with this notion simply because of the errant translations make it look foolish or ridiculous! Because a bunch of people decide to translate scripture texts in a particular fashion does not mean you can place words in the original writers' mouths and then criticize them for it. Think about the time period the KJV was written and ponder how they treated women.
@TheGreaterSatan What you need to do, as I probably suggested before, is to look at the original languages the text was written in. But I am sure you do not want to do that, because it would require actual work...and it's easier to be academically lazy and dishonest just to maintain your point of view. You are comfortable with that point of view. It is man's charge to be accurate when translating texts....you can't blame the people who created the languages just because you can't understand it.
@PZG4SS I don't know Hebrew. Neither does the majority of people who have ever lived and are going to live, and it's absurd that the alleged creator of the universe expects us all to learn one specific language just so we can find out what he wants of us.
This "read it in Hebrew" argument is self-defeating. It proves that these texts only apply to certain people of a certain time in a certain location, and are not at all universal.
@PZG4SS You do realize that the people who put together the various bibles are theists just like you? That they have spent many many years learning the original Hebrew? That they care a great deal about putting together the most accurate translation that they can? Why then does every bible contain this passage? Because it is in the original Hebrew, that's why. The only recourse to this argument is to claim that the people you charge with creating your Bible are frauds and lunatics.
Yes, because using translations made by dozens of Christian scholars working together instead of learning a new language so that you can do your own translation is academically lazy and dishonest.
I say that by using that accusation in cases in which experts agree on what the original text says and the critics are using the same interpretation, it is YOU who is being intellectually lazy.
But does not inerrancy mean that the Bible does not err in fulfilling its purpose which is to reveal the nature of God. And if that is the purpose of the Bible, then one must take the Bible as a whole. If Jesus says the greatest law is love God and love your neighbor, why should Christians follow any of the edicts given in the OT by prophets (who all christians agree were sinners)? Many of the actions of the OT prophets are an example of what not to do.
This law tends to be difficult for to understand or relate to because of the promiscuity of our culture. Since we reject sexual purity for the one we love, we not only find this law useless but perhaps distort it.
It may be his obligation, but she still has no choice in the matter as "He can never divorce her as long as he lives".
Granted not every girl would react the way the one in this vid did (even though we would consider it odd today), but still, she still technically has no choice, because by law HE cannot divorce her ever.
of course, the Kingdom of Heaven must be taken by violence.
doubleestark 1 week ago
This means that if you happen to meet a hot virgin chick that is out of your league, you can have her so long as you rape her, she can be bought for fifty sheckles of silver. This could be seen as a bargain for a guy who is crazy about a chick, and the Lord okays it!
doubleestark 1 week ago
Out of curiosity, I checked up how much is a shekel - turns out to be approx. 10.5 grams of silver.
silver is about $25 a troy ounce ($25 per 31 grams) today
So 50 shekels works out to be about $425.
So rape a virgin and you get to marry her if you pay her dad $425 - not a bad deal really.
Not bad for the rapist anyway.
richo61 4 days ago
@doubleestark well of course the whole premise is that a girl is her fathers property until marriage then her husbands....if you rape her she has been defiled so she has no value as a wife. In thier "cultural context" they were chauvinistic morons....so frankly any man who defends such a position claiming it was "right" then is a pathetic waste of a penis. Ask if he would allow his daughter to marry her rapist just so long as the rapist coughed up the dough....
OkamsRazer 3 days ago
When I pointed this out to some christian the other day, he said the original hebrew didn't really mean rape. He said the hebrew word used meant "lie down" and that it was probably voluntary sex. I told him he was an idiot and that even if it was voluntary sex the woman is still forced into marriage without any say in the matter. It's obvious that it's about rape, though.
omgwtfbbqxD 1 week ago
@omgwtfbbqxD He just made it up as an excuse cause he never really had a good answer for your question. Remember that shitty bible says his words are real and that they are forever. So why is rape not allowed in today's society, even though this god said it's ok?
mybrolockie 1 week ago
I'm atheist and I agree with you, but I do find it interesting to note that I've heard it said that a possible reason laws like this may have been created is because in the sexphobic patriarchal culture a raped woman would be so looked down on that she would not have anyone else able to support her, so it was a way of holding the rapist accountable for her care...
HelFKiernan 1 week ago
All sins will be judged in the end.
GriiiiiiinD 1 month ago
That is why I do not get why women in 21st cetury adhere to abrahamic religions at all.
Baranius1 2 months ago 14
Could they have made the Holy Babble more disgusting than it is? If it were somehow even more gut wrenching sickening, would people still claim it to be true?
Strangerinasland 2 months ago
Great video, this scripture condones the most abusive bahavior it is sick.
karlbuttler 2 months ago
Great video,it represents abuse on the sickest level.
karlbuttler 2 months ago
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""girl who was raped had to marry her rapist, ""
Show me the wording that says that she had to marry the one that seized her. Show that the word translated rape means rape as we know it and not just sex with a boyfriend with no struggle.
j919or 2 months ago
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""she dosent mary him she will be stoned ""
There is no command for her to marry him and no command for the father to consent to the marriage. There is no indication that she would be stoned for she broke no command. BUt u reveal your own bias and your hostility towards God which means that unless things change you will experience eternal misery.
j919or 2 months ago
@KnowImillian - only thing you are out of is Tampons you sick CHILD MOLESTING FAGGOT... Yeah Ive seen your page YOU SICKO... You better get out of here before someone else finds you and KILLS YOUR ASS...
airwax22 3 months ago
@KnowImillian ---THATS NEW SCHOOL " Ii-talian " Fucker...
airwax22 3 months ago
@KnowImillian - Just checked out your youtube page ... Anthony David ??? Your a FUCKING FAGGOT...YAHWEH SAYS DEATH BITCH .... HAAAAAA HAAAAAAA HHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAA>>>>>
airwax22 3 months ago
@KnowImillian - Point and Case ...
airwax22 3 months ago
@KnowImillian - Your comments are juvinile ... and if you took the time to read below..You would see the proof .. Asswipe
airwax22 3 months ago
@KnowImillian - What the Hell are you even trying to say ?
airwax22 3 months ago
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The word rape is a horrible transliteration by NIV....take it from the Original KJV and you see it clearly is consensual...
25 But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die. (HE RAPED HERE >>> YAHWEH SAYS DEATH)
28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; ( CONSENSUAL PRE MARITAL SEX ) simple enough huh?
airwax22 3 months ago
@KnowImillian The word rape is a horrible transliteration by NIV....take it from the Original KJV and you see it clearly is consensual...
25 But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die. (HE RAPED HERE >>> YAHWEH SAYS DEATH)
28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; ( CONSENSUAL PRE MARITAL SEX ) simple enough huh?
airwax22 3 months ago
@airwax22 You miss the part where betrothed means engaged to be married. So, no it wasn't a bad translation (you should know the difference between translation and transliteration. They don't mean the same thing).
The punishment for getting caught raping an engaged woman is death. The punishment for raping a single woman - is marriage to the single woman. Also, consider that in this culture a single woman was likely a virgin - punishment for raping a virgin is marriage. Could God be more just?
57worldwide 3 months ago
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@57worldwide - Geez you're a moron...Okay lemme break it down for you simple minded idiots one more time - (first off , a Transliteration is a subset of the science of hermeneutics. It is a form of translation, and is the practice of converting a text from one script into another. The NIV is predominantly a "transliteration" or what is commonly refered to as a "thought for thought" rendering verses a "word for word" translation as is the King James.) Got that Dummie????
airwax22 3 months ago
@57worldwide - Do you see the words "FORCE HER" anywhere in verse 28 - you completely missed the key point YOU IDIOT !!!
airwax22 3 months ago
@airwax22 You are right (in the sense that it does not say there was force in the sexual act), but you are only punished with death if you rape an engaged or married woman. There is NO punishment of death if you are caught raping a virgin (if you can find the verse pointing to where raping a virgin, who is not engaged, is punished with anything other than marriage in 22:28-29, show me where I can find it).
57worldwide 3 months ago
so if you wrote a book about what every athiest did,you would be on the same book.
truth hurts,but was this book from athiests or man.
to discredit God send the athiest .mmmmm
also the bible is double ended and has so many loopholes ,just like modern day criminal layers would write.
so is your father god an athiest.?
mickwillie1 3 months ago
Where did part 1 go?
ScienceWillPrevail 3 months ago in playlist NonStampCollector entire catalogue - in reverse order 8
@ScienceWillPrevail I waas looking 4 it to
karlbuttler 2 months ago
THESE CARTOONS ARE GREAT!! NOT TO MENTION NSC STYLE OF ''NO STONE LEFT UNTURNED-OVER STATED-IN YOUR FACE SHIT..EITHER WAY FOLKS THIS SHIT IS PROGRESSIVE...I STUDIED ALL TYPES OF SHIT FOR YEARS....WHO IS YAH??SOUNDS MORE LIKE A DRAGON GOD.............
TheboiwhocouldfLY 3 months ago
Question: what happened to Yahweh's Perfect Justice Part 1?
TheHeidelbergKid 3 months ago 26
@TheHeidelbergKid I found a link by google searching it. But when you click on the link it says the video was removed for violating Youtube's terms of service. :/
StMattofDurham 1 month ago
o.O; People in their day must have been pretty horney if screwing out in the street was a regular matter!
Amashkitotamoes 3 months ago
You were never a christian, you were always a fraud. ANd u will remain a fraud for u are what ever u believe is presently in ur best interest. You will wilt in the light and I expect u to run soon.
1. Most? Most when? Now or then? And the word is not rape but seize.
2. Young girls were the only ones not married and young girls remained with the family
3. She mustve deliverately went off on her own.
4. She would have had to meet the man alone in order for this to take place ....
j919or 3 months ago
...bc marriage was very important for the survival of a young woman and virginity was an essential to being marriable.
Yall are twisted and deserve hell. All you vain attempt to charge God will fail for if an idiot like me can disarm your lies how much more the infinitely wise creator at the judgment.
j919or 4 months ago
@j919or That doesn't change the fact that this is sick. Surely, the most intelligent being in the universe could have thought of a better way. No one is twisting anything, you're just making excuses for something that is obviously sick. Perhaps if your daughter got raped and was forced to do this, you wouldn't make excuses.
"Yall are twisted and deserve hell. "
Because we don't agree with your holy book...we deserve hell? That's the god of the bible for you. Do as I say or burn.
1bzoe 4 months ago
@1bzoe ""fact that this is sick.""
You judge from a non cultural non involved viewpoint. You apply modern standards to the ancient world. There is alot that they knew about their world that we dont know. BTW you deserve hell bc u choose to remain in a state of hatred towards God, forever justifying that state for eternity.
j919or 4 months ago
@j919or If you lived in those times, you'd say that it was right for your daughter to marry her rapist? This god of love is above the laws of the land. If it was sick now, it's sick then. Correction, you can't hate something you don't believe in. That's just as ridiculous as me hating the tooth fairy. Also, I don't choose what I believe in. No one does. Btw, which god? There are hundreds of beliefs (gods).
A person deserves to be tortured for simply not believing in the existence of a being?
1bzoe 4 months ago
@j919or If you lived in those times, you'd say that it was right for your daughter to marry her rapist? This god of love is above the laws of the land. If it was sick now, it's sick then. Correction, you can't hate something you don't believe in. That's just as ridiculous as me hating the tooth fairy. Also, I don't choose what I believe in. No one does. Btw, which god? There are hundreds of beliefs (gods).
1bzoe 4 months ago
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@1bzoe You know little. It wasnt a crime to marry a non virgin. Adultery was harmful to the spouse and to the community and to the children. The maiden wasnt forced to marry the rapist. And there is a likelyhood that the rapist was a boyfriend.
You reveal ur bias by spouting these misconceptions and show that God must ban you to hell and ur destructive essense.
j919or 3 months ago
Yes I probably would bc the likelihood is that the rapist was a boyfriend and that it was like the equivalent of a shot gun wedding in the mountains of west virginia.
Sick now sick then? You know nothing of ancient cultures and customs. Some lands eat dog and cat while other find that absolutely disgusting.
You like the idea of self rule and hate the idea of a God that has the right to control ur life. Admit it! You arre under the illusion that u r ur own god.
j919or 3 months ago
@j919or What? Most rapists are not boyfriends. I'm talking about the typical rapist and you know that but you're afraid to answer.
People progress as a society as we learn more. At one time, it was ok to own slaves (something that's in the bible). It seems that your delusion (god) changes according to how society changes.
Lol yeah, typical Christian. Thinks he knows everything about me. I used to be a Christian. Beliefs don't change based on choice. Facts and evidence changes beliefs.
1bzoe 3 months ago
@1bzoe You were never a christian, you were always a fraud. ANd u will remain a fraud for u are what ever u believe is presently in ur best interest. You will wilt in the light and I expect u to run soon.
1. Most? Most when? Now or then? And the word is not rape but seize.
2. Young girls were the only ones not married and young girls remained with the family
3. She mustve deliverately went off on her own.
4. She would have had to meet the man alone in order for this to take place ....
j919or 3 months ago
@1bzoe Slavery? Its morally nuetral. Its the attitude of the act that makes it evil or good. but u claim that God changes according ot society? Of course He does. Circumstances change and people change. God meets people at their level and works to bring them towards righteousness.
1. Dietary commands change for food conditions change
2. Family arrangements and responsibilities change
3. God works within these human structures
j919or 3 months ago
@j919or "Slavery? Its morally nuetral. Its the attitude of the act that makes it evil or good." Care to explain that?
God meets people at their level? Where does it say that in the bible (or anything similar to that)? People adjust their belief systems based on the time (not the other way around). MAN MADE GOD in his image and there is no proof to the contrary.
Don't ignore my question about rape. That's just as frustrating as people ignoring questions about human sacrafice.
1bzoe 3 months ago
@1bzoe j919or is the last person you ever want to talk to. He redefines words, claims what he wants to be moral to be moral, and what he wants to be evil to be evil to meet his purpose. He says that he turned to God because he realized how evil he was, but the truth is that evil (arrogance) is still there, its just taken different form, and now he feels he has God on his side so he doesn't need to feel bad. There is no hope for him. Save yourself the trouble and leave him alone.
JackDavid6405 3 months ago
@JackDavid6405 ""Save yourself the trouble and leave him alone.""
Translation: Jack ran away bc he was exposed and he wants you to run with him
j919or 3 months ago
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JackDavid6405 3 months ago
@j919or No, you were the one who stopped talking to me. And I'm just letting him know the he has a better chance of throwing the entire Pacific Ocean to the top of Mt. Everest before there is even the slightest chance of reasoning with you.
JackDavid6405 3 months ago
@JackDavid6405 ""slightest chance of reasoning with you.""
Translation: dont bother trying to deceive him, he is of the truth. look for others that are doubting truth and looking ot hide in the dark.
j919or 3 months ago
@j919or Thank you for proving to me that you're an 8 year old.
JackDavid6405 3 months ago
@JackDavid6405 ""you're an 8 year old."" And thank you for showing all readers that you have no argument except ad hominem attacks. I answered your allegation that I lacked reason with several reasons, arguments and evidences and all you could muster was the above? Typical of an unbeliever. He loves the dark and throwing mud. Now stand up like a man and tell us what the true bible's meaning of rape is in the video. Next tell us why u think she had to marry the one that seized her.
j919or 3 months ago
@j919or You did not answer my allegations. You were the one who attacked me with nothing but ad hominem with all those "translations" of yours, which were nothing but class A examples of what I was talking about earlier. You love to redefine anything to fit your own purposes, because that's all you're capable of mustering. You're the one who loves his own arrogance in believing God is on his side in all things, and believes throwing around nothing but insults and lies is proof of anything.
JackDavid6405 3 months ago
@j919or " tell us what the true bible's meaning of rape is in the video."
That a girl who was raped had to marry her rapist, and her dad got paid 50 sheckles for it. But you already knew that didn't you? You're just afraid of admitting how wrong and terrible God was, because that means you'll have to admit how wrong and terrible you are. So you say it's something else so you and God don't look so bad anymore.
JackDavid6405 3 months ago
@JackDavid6405 ""girl who was raped had to marry her rapist, ""
Show me the wording that says that she had to marry the one that seized her. Show that the word translated rape means rape as we know it and not just sex with a boyfriend with no struggle.
j919or 3 months ago
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JackDavid6405 3 months ago
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@j919or "Show me the wording that says that she had to marry the one that seized her"
Deut 22: 29 ...He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives
"Show that the word translated rape means rape as we know it and not just sex with a boyfriend with no struggle."
Deut 22:28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered...
Ta-dah.
JackDavid6405 3 months ago
@j919or You're interpreting the bible the way you want it. I find it funny how everything good in the bible is taken exactly how it's written, but anything that is sick and twisted, theist make excuses. You have no right to ever tell someone that defends the koran that it's a sick book. They make as much excuses as you do. You choose to ignore certain things and make excuses because you were told that this "god" who we can't see or hear is good.And to make matters worse, you ignore my questions.
1bzoe 3 months ago
@1bzoe ""interpreting the bible the way you want it.""
Prove it!
j919or 3 months ago
@j919or It's something nearly every modern day Christian does lol. You ignore every evil thing that "God" and/or Jesus said in the Bible, and not just the Old Testament. For instance, are you against slavery? If so, you contrast Jesus' word, which said, "Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ." To be honest, the only difference between you guys and the Arab extremists is that they actually take their holy book seriously.
deadshot1995 3 months ago
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@deadshot1995 "" you contrast Jesus' word, which said, "Slaves, obey your earthly masters""
Nah. Dont run away yet, for you arent finished exposing urself as wilfull illiterate. Jesus doesnt endorse slavery. He tells believers how to react to it. He doesnt endorse persecution but tells believers how to react to it. "Rejoice and be exceedingly glad" mt5.12.
j919or 3 months ago
@j919or What do you mean prove it? It's as clear as day. You take everything that can be looked on as bad and interpret it in some other way like the rapist passage and then take good things and take it for what it is. No different than a Muslim that defends the koran or a person that defends Hitler. I'm done with you, because much like other Christians, you're intellectually dishonest, not to mention the fact that I'm also getting the idea that you're not even mature enough to take serious.
1bzoe 3 months ago
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@1bzoe ""You take everything that can be looked on as bad and interpret it in some other way"
Youre just mad cuz I correct your distortions of the text. Take your marbles and go home, baby! LOL!
j919or 3 months ago
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""You did not answer my allegations.""
Restate ur allegations then. And ill recrush them.
j919or 3 months ago
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JackDavid6405 3 months ago
@j919or "tell us why u think she had to marry the one that seized her."
Because the "cultured" (as you put it) men of that time believed a woman was worthless to get married to if she wasn't a virgin, and therefore had to marry her rapist. And then they claimed God said the same thing so they could feel more reassured about themselves.
JackDavid6405 3 months ago
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""He redefines words, claims what he wants to be moral to be moral, and what he wants to be evil to be evil to meet his purpose.""
1. What words did i redefine?
2. Where did i say i want to be moral?
3. Where did i say i want to be evil?
4. Jack is so confused and no wonder for he is a child of satan that is unwilling to repent and turn to God and be set free.
j919or 3 months ago
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JackDavid6405 3 months ago
@1bzoe Slavery is a human work arrangement. If the master is cool then the slave loves it. If the master is abusive, the slave hates it. Kids are slaves too. They cant just do what they want and come and go as they please. if the parents are cool great and most kids find security in that slave arrangement. ALso there are different levels of slavery. Slaves could sue their masters in some arrangements in the ancient world. And I answered ur rape questions. Read my comments.
j919or 3 months ago
@j919or Slaves have no rights. You killed a slave, it was fine. You kill your kid, you're going to jail buddy. A slave is someone's property so you're wrong.
No you did not answer it. You discussed rape in terms of boyfriends and i pointed out that most rape victims are not raped by their bf. Answer my question concerning a crazed man off the street raping your daughter. This is just one in many examples of things in the bible people have to do mental backflips to explain. I want an answer.
1bzoe 3 months ago
@1bzoe I agree that there are different levels of slavery and different levels of slave owners. Show where it was fine ot murder a slave.
I showed that the context reveals that this young girl marrying her "seizer" implies but does not demand that the one that seized her be a rapist and was most likely a bf.
Further, the one that seized her had to marry her but she did not have to marry him for the command is to the seizer not the girl and her father.
The darkness fails again.
j919or 3 months ago
@1bzoe I agree that there are different levels of slavery and different levels of slave owners. Show where it was fine ot murder a slave.
I showed that the context reveals that this young girl marrying her "seizer" implies but does not demand that the one that seized her be a rapist and was most likely a bf.
Further, the one that seized her had to marry her but she did not have to marry him for the command is to the seizer not the girl and her father.
The darkness fails again.
j919or 3 months ago
@j919or " Show where it was fine to murder a slave." I'm going to pretend I didn't read that. I personally don't think anyone can be that ignorant.
You showed nothing. That is an assumption you want to be the case although the passage doesn't support it. The girl didn't have to marry her rapist? "He MUST marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives." Where does it say that she had a choice? Excuses, excuses. "Darkness"? How old are you..10?
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1bzoe 3 months ago
@1bzoe "How old are you..10?"
I told you.
JackDavid6405 3 months ago
@JackDavid6405 If Im 10 then you and your atheist gurus arguments have just been crushed by a 10 year old.
j919or 3 months ago
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@j919or No they weren't.
JackDavid6405 3 months ago
@JackDavid6405 I can't take my conversation with him serious.
1bzoe 3 months ago
@1bzoe if she dosent mary him she will be stoned to death
1dekidejo 3 months ago
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@1dekidejo ""she dosent mary him she will be stoned ""
There is no command for her to marry him and no command for the father to consent to the marriage. There is no indication that she would be stoned for she broke no command. BUt u reveal your own bias and your hostility towards God which means that unless things change you will experience eternal misery.
j919or 3 months ago
@j919or Virginity was an essential to being marriable, because non-virgins(or anyone misconstrued to not be a virgin) would be stoned to death on their wedding night.
Who's rule was that?
By the way, someone who accepts absolutely heinous things as perfectly moral, would be far more deserving of hell in my book, than someone who isn't willing to turn their better moral judgement off. But an unending hell in itself, is completely unjust, and only would be created by a wicked deity.
xQuciferx 4 months ago
@xQuciferx ""not be a virgin) would be stoned to death ""
This was more of the preventative against adultery. The woman committed adultery bc she wasnt a virgin on the wedding night. Adultery was punished by stoning. Sex produced new life and new life was not to be messed with by messing with the vehicle namely marriage. Remember the one year betrothal period preceded the consumation of marriage.
j919or 4 months ago
@j919or You can't commit adultery before marriage. Nor is it a crime worth stoning to death for, or any punishment arranged by anyone else than the couple involved. The point is that, the biblical god set up the system of making virginity a requirement for marriage, so forcing a rape victim to marry the rapist wasn't really to her benefit. Yes she would have a hard time marrying and surviving because of it, but it's that god that made the rules that made so hard for her in the first place.
xQuciferx 3 months ago
@xQuciferx You know little. It wasnt a crime to marry a non virgin. Adultery was harmful to the spouse and to the community and to the children. The maiden wasnt forced to marry the rapist. And there is a likelyhood that the rapist was a boyfriend.
You reveal ur bias by spouting these misconceptions and show that God must ban you to hell and ur destructive essense.
j919or 3 months ago
Yawn. Yall know nothing of ancient culture and custom and understanding what is written w/o addition of assumptions. First the word rape is best translated seize and it is unlikely that a girl would be alone unless she had some sort of relationship with the man.
Next, it no where says that she must marry the man. Also the father has the right to refusal for no where does it say the father has to take the 50. Rather this was the mitigation of the damages that if u have sex u must follow thru
j919or 4 months ago
I find this amusing. Scholarly scientists can't prove the bible wrong anywhere, but you think you're able to. lol.
lilkrn13 5 months ago
@lilkrn13 That's why you find it amusing? Where has he tried to "prove the bible wrong"? It seems like he's just pointing out how absurd this particular passage of the Bible is...
Would you say that commanding a rapist to marry his victim is wrong?
masonhymas 5 months ago
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No, he's just telling you that you have to be a sick bastard or completely oblivious of what the bible actually says to believe god is a perfect, just being.
narutofan9999 5 months ago
@lilkrn13 The bible's been proved wrong in so many different areas its not even funny. I think the only thing they haven't found wrong yet is "the". But even though its been shot to hell, all the mindless followers just plug their ears, cover their eyes, and go "lalalalalala" genesis is completely wrong, so no flood, not original sin, no jesus, and you're not supposed to steal, but you've stolen all of your holidays.
recyard12x 5 months ago
@recyard12x ""bible's been proved wrong ""
I challenge u to debate this with me.
j919or 4 months ago
@lilkrn13 What you have to realise is, when a Christian states "The Bible is the perfect source of morality," we only need to find ONE example that contradicts it in order to prove the statement completely false. We're not trying to prove the entire bible wrong, we're just trying to make people realise that it is incredibly stupid to assume that the bible is at all necessary in today's society. Science and secularism are far more useful.
gradonCHEESE 4 months ago
@lilkrn13 your ignorance is amusing
sean32laf 4 months ago
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This is assuming the lies that are constantly given to Jesus who is God, and it is unfair to the max. Just judge yourself, and be safe when Gods light shines. It it so bloody simple.That is all you have to do. Then thank God when he saves you. Doing this slander against God who you think is bad in the old will only hurt the one slandering Gods name. No slanderers in heaven remember that.
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kobidobidog 5 months ago
It's a stupid law, but in that cultural context, it would have been difficult for a rape victim to find a husband and probably difficult for a woman without a husband to survive or be respected. They were also VERY big on making sure people had descendants; they were probably more focused on making sure the men had sons, but a woman being able to have a child raised by his/her father was likely a priority as well.
tifforo1 5 months ago
where is part one
ru2able 6 months ago
When I put this verse to a creationist he said, it is just because the man is reminded of his crime. I said your a fucking idiot and obviously have no concept of what it would do to the woman and also no realization that the man would be like hell yeah! That kind of law opens it up to go and rape girls for the sake of marrying them. Disgusting like the majority of the bible, old and new.
UnholyMagpye 6 months ago
That is the law in Indian cultural context too. It is either get married to rapist or both the victim and the rapist suffer the death penalty. The rapist will be killed by the people and the victim will be asked to commit suicide or live a life of isolation for the rest of your life but most girls commit suicide even before asked. Of course that is not the law of the Government of India , it is the law of the people of India ( when I say the people of India I do not mean just Hindus)
Saikomac 6 months ago
@Saikomac it happens in only the most isolated and backward villages
sagar246246 6 months ago
@sagar246246 well there are a lot of those 'isolated' villages in India and many city people still have that mentality but are unable to do anything because of the laws protecting the victims.Things are not as bad as they were 100 years ago , things but improvements are still required
Saikomac 5 months ago
Even if it was just talking about premarital sex and not rape, it is still terrible.
MeepullStewray 6 months ago
@Lewis5020 no, absolutely not agreeing.
the bible and the christian belief, just like most others, have relevance in today's society.
this very youtube video proves it - we spend our time discussing the bible. = relevance (:
(not even taking into account those millions of people who believe in any religion, which thus has an impact on our world)
you may argue that there is no god and he has no relevance on todays world, but the belief in him is, without any doubt, of relevance :)
katsamuein 6 months ago
@Numfarh and when thinking in that moral system, and the first objective is to help her, instead of to hurt him, then this is an appropriate "solution"
katsamuein 6 months ago
@Numfarh
do you know, why in some countries they still punish the girl which was raped, instead of the guy who did it?
which seems completely retarded from our point of view?
because we think in terms of 'guilt', "who wanted what? so who is to punish?"
they think about 'shame', "what did they do"?
in their system its "sex happened, punish them", in ours "sex happened, she didnt want it, punish him"
ours is more sophisticated, but ppl were not always thinking that way..
katsamuein 6 months ago
where in the name of almighty Beelzebub (worshipping Satan is sooo mainstream), is part 1!?!!!
TheOnlyAttrition 6 months ago
@katsamuein
Math.
Cubelarooso 6 months ago
You forget that jesus, according to the belief, is god himself. So jesus is changing laws he made.
D77M79 7 months ago
wth happened to part 1?
malinhares 7 months ago
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This video is typical of the ignorant anti-Christian filth that get's put online. See below for a complete rebuttal
aliveinfaith7.blogspot.com/2011/06/does-bible-say-woman-must-marry-her.html
MrTmapp 7 months ago
Guess you better be careful who you rape.
The law is harsh.
nakedscrewmonkey 7 months ago
That woman in the video looked like she was asking for it anyways.
chadd990 8 months ago
@chadd990
Just ask 90 percent of all muslims. They think that in every way! It's ridiculous.
MardasMan 7 months ago
@MardasMan
All the muslims I know work in corner stores or hookah bars. They usually give free gifts to the girls that come in. I think that they think that if she accepts the gift, she's down for some sex.
chadd990 7 months ago
god needs to have a bit of fin dont he lol and lets not forget hes a pedo making boys and girls ready for sex at 11!!
cruiseylee 8 months ago
man i want a suit like the rapist had
isrealjason 8 months ago
old testament, new testament....same fucking evil god
choongd 9 months ago 8
@choongd
Nah, the OT one treats people harshly on Earth, while the NT one treats them harshly after death.
tifforo1 5 months ago
I was debating a theist the other day and when I said that the bible condones rape,incest,etc etc. I was told " No it most certainly does not!" I then mentioned a few verses and was told " Ohhh well there is your problem, that is old test" and then they went on to tell me how fucked up my skew on the bible was. If I only had the brains to believe in the new and improved friendly, fuzzy jesus. I could see the TRUE light of their god. BWahaha ,, Brain washed fools,,LOL
carpnter2000 9 months ago
who knew the first Hebrews and YAWEH was white? lol some dimwittted people need to get their facts straight!!!!!! o my you are so funny !!!!!!!! polluting people's minds!!!!
13zeba 9 months ago
"...in our cultural context..." Ha!
Aeschylus 9 months ago
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wedeservethetruth121 9 months ago
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wedeservethetruth121 9 months ago
Damn, I should have raped Jessica Alba years ago. :/
xXWraithSoldierXx 10 months ago 33
@xXWraithSoldierXx It has to be a virgin
1234yersiman 10 months ago
@1234yersiman I know. I would have raped her a day before she lost her virginity. xD
xXWraithSoldierXx 10 months ago
@xXWraithSoldierXx do you have 50 shekels of silver :)
SF1PxTHESTANDARDxx 6 months ago
wow, so if you're lonely and you know it... just fucking rape someone! that way you'll have a wife!
tgz1000 11 months ago
@tgz1000 Not quite. I'm afraid it'll have to be a woman you rape, and she can't be pledged to be married — otherwise you and/or she will suffer the consequences.
sashavboyd 11 months ago
Ummm do nickels count as silver? Cus there's this girl.....
unlimitedchikara 11 months ago
Wow, my faith is seriously screwed up.
xxxR2Fxxx 11 months ago
That's Christian morality for you.
gupsphoo 11 months ago
These laws are good for men. They are perfect.
Females should be married off once they are able to have children (puberty) and obey their husband in all things.
simcityesque 11 months ago
where is part one? and is it the one where the judge gives his son to be tortured for the nazi murderer?
DieTheDeath 1 year ago
If it's in the Bible then it's all good.
This video has really opened my eyes. I don't need to ask a girls father for permission to marry his daughter. All I need to do is to rape a girl I like and we'll be married for life.
It'll probably be best to rape a young girls. It'll be easier. >:)
IDislikeYourStatus 1 year ago 5
@IDislikeYourStatus
Don't forget that you have to come up with about $850 worth of silver.
tifforo1 5 months ago
talk about an easy way to get married Angelina Jolie and she cant divorce you forever yes! lol XD
jacobpaprotskiy 1 year ago 3
hehe i dont believe but i think it was meant that HE has to support her and just cant leave her all by herself. And i also think it was meant that the woman can be against it, it isnt said if she cannot say no.
gr8Sweetfox 1 year ago
When Christians say you are taking a verse out of context or interpreting it wrongly; what they really mean is you are not putting the right spin on it to make it say what they want to hear.
sweetsweatyfeet 1 year ago 4
@realpolodon so christians aren't meant to take the bible seriously? then why follow it and praise God at all?
ViperstudiosNG 1 year ago
Vectors on his shirt?
prgalois 1 year ago
"Oh stop crying, girl!" LMFAO! Absolutely brilliant, even if it is a little insensitive to those of us who got stuck married to nagging whores simply because we raped them.
q1000101 1 year ago
If I recall correctly, the scripture did not say "raped" but had something to do with fornication (sex out of wedlock). Just sayin'. Also, the father can stop the marriage. She does not HAVE to marry the man. Anyways, was ancient Britain any better? Doubt it.
brianpadraic 1 year ago
@brianpadraic the NIV version of the bible says RAPE
zipitup75 1 year ago
That is Fuckin Retarded
Unholy69original 1 year ago
Nicely done. Brutal but straight up. Do the "happy" couple still get a honeymoon to enjoy their "wedded bliss" and how do you reckon they'll go with the in-laws now? I like the "if they're discovered" clause there too. If they're not .. then what? its okay or something?
Astrostevo 1 year ago
yes yes who are we to question the laws by the creator of the universe...rape any woman you like and you get her, and thats why teen pregnancy is going so high because its only way for girls not to marry some rapist by losing their virginity early
atttt5 1 year ago
@realpolodon Okay, since you are so familiar with the Law, what were those two instances of lawbreaking? And why do you think the Babylonian Talmud did not originate in Babylon....did they think the name sounded cool? Why did the Jews affix the name of their lunar calendar with the names of Babylonian gods? (The calendar of Moses was based upon the Egyptian calendar, not the Babylonian.)
PZG4SS 1 year ago
@realpolodon YEHOWSHUA Christ disagreed with the TALMUD, not the Torah. He broke none of YAHWEH'S Laws and commandments, but only those traditions of men that Talmudic Judaism, which is a corrupt counterfeit religion out of Babylon and still is, taught. If you can't understand theological concepts like this, I suggest you find another hobby instead of trying to refute things you have no understanding of. Your time is better spent elsewhere.
PZG4SS 1 year ago
@PZG4SS I think what you mean is stop exposing our religion for what it is, your making us look bad so go away.
ViperstudiosNG 1 year ago
@ViperstudiosNG Let's see here...you, presumably with little or no understanding of ancient Hebrew, are denying what the original Hebrew is stating, which I just told you, in favor of an erroneous translation/understanding of it...because to accept the real meaning, you would be denying yourself fodder for mockery, and you certainly do not want that. You want to be able to ridicule what it says. In doing so, you show you are incapable of understanding.
PZG4SS 1 year ago
Hah, ha! The real ancient Hebrew text says "shakab", which means to have intercourse with....nowhere does it say it was forced! I'd like to find this atheist Bible everyone seems to use that has wacky translations that are nothing like the actual Hebrew text. It apparently is quite hilarious!
PZG4SS 1 year ago
@PZG4SS Er.. you are wrong... if you read the entire passage its pretty clear this is talking about rape. Also are you claiming that all the modern translations are wrong and you are right?
pubuman 1 year ago 39
@pubuman It might be talking about that in YOUR mind, but since I just told you that the Hebrew does not say rape at all, it proves you are an ignorant git! Even the King James doesn't say that. The only two versions I have that say "rape" are the Good News and the Living Bible, both of which are terrible translations altogether. I'm sure the NIV says that, too...because it's the worst of all. "Modern" does not equal "accurate" by far. They're usually more corrupt, in fact.
PZG4SS 1 year ago
@PZG4SS King James version says, "lay hold on her, and lie with her". How could that be interpreted as anything but rape?
And let's say it's not rape - so what? I thought marriage was about love. How does being forced to marry someone you don't love benefit anyone?
Finally, since these translations are supposedly causing so much trouble, why then did your god think it was a good idea to give humans many languages?
TheGreaterSatan 11 months ago
@TheGreaterSatan Even many Christians assume that God actually "wrote" the Bible...and non-Christians are very willing to comply with this notion simply because of the errant translations make it look foolish or ridiculous! Because a bunch of people decide to translate scripture texts in a particular fashion does not mean you can place words in the original writers' mouths and then criticize them for it. Think about the time period the KJV was written and ponder how they treated women.
PZG4SS 11 months ago
@PZG4SS
That's a good point, but EVERY translation makes it clear that Deuteronomy 22:25-29 is about rape.
tifforo1 5 months ago
@TheGreaterSatan What you need to do, as I probably suggested before, is to look at the original languages the text was written in. But I am sure you do not want to do that, because it would require actual work...and it's easier to be academically lazy and dishonest just to maintain your point of view. You are comfortable with that point of view. It is man's charge to be accurate when translating texts....you can't blame the people who created the languages just because you can't understand it.
PZG4SS 11 months ago
@PZG4SS I don't know Hebrew. Neither does the majority of people who have ever lived and are going to live, and it's absurd that the alleged creator of the universe expects us all to learn one specific language just so we can find out what he wants of us.
This "read it in Hebrew" argument is self-defeating. It proves that these texts only apply to certain people of a certain time in a certain location, and are not at all universal.
TheGreaterSatan 11 months ago 9
@PZG4SS Learning Hebrew would be a pretty big foot in the door don't you think?
pineconesaresmallnow 10 months ago
@PZG4SS You do realize that the people who put together the various bibles are theists just like you? That they have spent many many years learning the original Hebrew? That they care a great deal about putting together the most accurate translation that they can? Why then does every bible contain this passage? Because it is in the original Hebrew, that's why. The only recourse to this argument is to claim that the people you charge with creating your Bible are frauds and lunatics.
seleroan 10 months ago
@PZG4SS
Yes, because using translations made by dozens of Christian scholars working together instead of learning a new language so that you can do your own translation is academically lazy and dishonest.
I say that by using that accusation in cases in which experts agree on what the original text says and the critics are using the same interpretation, it is YOU who is being intellectually lazy.
tifforo1 5 months ago
@realpolodon
But does not inerrancy mean that the Bible does not err in fulfilling its purpose which is to reveal the nature of God. And if that is the purpose of the Bible, then one must take the Bible as a whole. If Jesus says the greatest law is love God and love your neighbor, why should Christians follow any of the edicts given in the OT by prophets (who all christians agree were sinners)? Many of the actions of the OT prophets are an example of what not to do.
rhomas913 1 year ago
Objection!
Frodo2433 1 year ago
HAHAHAHAHA how do you even argue this? it says it right there in plain ink. JESUS CHRIST! :D
(*I find myself laughing hysterically as I write this)
jippzmcghee 1 year ago
meh, no god made these laws. they were obviously written by some humans.
crazydudetz 1 year ago
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This law tends to be difficult for to understand or relate to because of the promiscuity of our culture. Since we reject sexual purity for the one we love, we not only find this law useless but perhaps distort it.
highwind8124 1 year ago
1:12 - "not that you have a choice anyway"
That's the assumption that actually makes the whole argument fall apart.
The passage is specifically phrased "he must marry her", not the other way around, as in it his obligation.
In 2 Samuel 13:16, Tamar practically begs for the protection of this law, and she is filled with such grief and shame.
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highwind8124 1 year ago
@highwind8124
It may be his obligation, but she still has no choice in the matter as "He can never divorce her as long as he lives".
Granted not every girl would react the way the one in this vid did (even though we would consider it odd today), but still, she still technically has no choice, because by law HE cannot divorce her ever.
SmashBroDx 1 year ago