We have the right to start a pro-hetero-marriage club. We have the right not to be brain washed and bullied into exchanging the truth for a lie. We have the right to keep our traditional values. We have the right to choose our own path. We have a right to believe in only one relationship type. We have the right to choose God!
@charlamain2209 I'm a white woman married to a black man. Should people who are against interracial marriage have the right to forbid interracial couples from getting married?
@elgmalone No, the difference is that to forbid interracial couples would be discrimination to not want to marry someone of the same sex can be backed by the bible however once they obtain the right to marriage then the Government denies people the right to acknowledge what's in the bible. Business's, and people in government offices are forced to accept it weather they want to or not. cnt.
@charlamain2209 Those who claim that the races should be separate in the bible are wrong and one can shoot their argument down through scholarly analysis of the single bible verse that they use to try and justify their belief. Where homosexuality is concerned religious scholars from both sides could argue weather the bible condones it or condemns it till they are blue in the face and come to no solid conclusion. cnt.
@charlamain2209 At best what I would like to see if both sides thoughts and feelings be respected. However I don't see that happening. My state just last year granted civil unions and almost immediately a couple targeted a bed and breakfast who's owners turned them away for religious reasons.
@charlamain2209 So what if it's in the bible? If it's your bible and you want to follow that than don't marry someone of the same sex. Don't shove the bible down my throat and don't make your religion my law.
@elgmalone Yes but if I own a business shouldn't I have the right to refuse service if someone is asking me to go against my faith? That is what happened to the bed and breakfast owners in my state. They were asked if they would host a civil union in some space they rent out and they turned the couple down because it goes against their faith. Now according to certain people just because they are a business they should ignore their faith.
@charlamain2209 No you shouldn't have that right. You're not allowed to discriminate if you're running a business. If you can't handle that then get into a different line of work. Sorry but I just don't accept "I'm allowed to be a bigot because I'm a Christian." as a valid excuse.
@elgmalone Then that limits what jobs a Christian can do. If there is no excuse, if a person faith can't be recognized then they are just as oppressed as you claim to be. certain jobs a christian would have to seek out a christian based employer yet you would probably still target them because the only private life your believe in is your own.
@charlamain2209 Why shouldn't a KKK member be allowed to discriminate against black people? It's a protestant organization. They believe white protestants are god's chosen people? Why shouldn't they be allowed to run a business where they openly discriminate against black people? You just can't use your religion as an excuse to discriminate against a group of people who make you uncomfortable. And it is an excuse. The bible condones slavery. Why is that not ok? ...
@elgmalone wrong the bible does not condone slavery, at least not American Slavery. Slavery in the bible was I think, a result of wars, as well as indentured servitude. Several hero's of the bible were slaves. David was taken from his home and forced to serve in the court of the king who conquered his country, the same goes for Nehemiah. Joseph was sold into slavery by his brothers, because they were jealous. cnt.
@charlamain2209 The bible also speaks about Love, the KKK does not promote love, as far as slavery in the bible was concerned God instructed the Jew's to treat their slaves/servants with compassion. The KKK does not teach compassion for anyone except for protestant Whites. That is why it is not okay for them to own a business and discriminate.
@elgmalone let me ask you this, was what we did to the Indian's right? We forced them onto reservations, put cotton fabrics on their children, forced them to go to white mans schools, and forbid them to speak their native tongues. Many people thought that was what was best for them. They didn't believe in our way's yet we forced them into what we considered civilized society. cnt.
@charlamain2209 So telling a business owner that they have to accept anyone who walks through their door because it's societies way, isn't that the same thing that we did to the Indians?
@charlamain2209 The bottom line is no one is stopping you from running a business. It's not legal to discriminate based on race, gender, beliefe, or sexual orientation. I'm an atheist but I honestly think there should be an exception made in the case of religious organizations only because it seems religions are against it. But you're not talking about running a religious organization and you can't just pick and choose who you can provide service to. ...
@charlamain2209 What you don't seem to understand is that there are bigots of all kinds who hate different people for different reasons. You seem to understand that it's not ok to discriminate against people because of race. I'm sure you understand it's not ok because of sex. You certainly don't believe people should be discriminated against due to religion. But homosexuality seems to bother you personally, so in your book to discriminate against homosexuals is just fine.
@charlamain2209 ... my mom told me when she was a child businesses had signs up stating "No blacks allowed" or "We serve whites only". Black people had to go to separate businesses. Are you saying we should do the same for same sex and heterosexual weddings? Maybe the owners of that business should put up a sign stating "Only straights can wed here." That paints an ugly picture doesn't it?
@charlamain2209 That isn't the same situation at all. No it wasn't right. But we came on to someone else's land and just took over. It wasn't like we were living here the whole time and spent years accepting the fact that we didn't have the same rights as the Native Americans and finally demanded those rights from those who oppressed us. So I don't see the difference here. Homosexuals aren't new. I have a cousin who is in her 60s who married a man because she felt...
@charlamain2209 I'm not sure what happened to my last response to this. Some how it didn't get posted. But yes what we did to the Indian's was wrong. But That isn't the same situation. Homosexuality isn't new. I have a cousin who is in her 60s who has been living with her partner for over 30 years. She was married to a man, which she only did because at the time that's what you were supposed to do, but there was never a doubt that it just wasn't right. What we did to ...
@charlamain2209 the Indian's is walk onto their land and took over. We weren't already living here among them. They didn't spend years depriving us of our rights. They didn't force us to live in secrecy or tell us we couldn't get married. We didn't rise up against oppressors and finally demand our rights. So I don't see how this situation relates to that at all.
@charlamain2209 There are plenty of Christians who have no problems with homosexuals. There are plenty of Christians who are homosexuals. So it's not your religion, it's you. You're a bigot who uses religion as an excuse. If you don't like homosexuality than that's your opinion, but be honest about it. And just because you have the freedom in this country to be a bigot doesn't mean you can run a business and open discriminate against people.
@elgmalone Okay yes there are different denomination in the Christian Religion some that do accept homosexuality other don't so it's not just me. The general definition of a bigot describe's everyone as a whole as a bigot. It's anyone who is partial to a race, philosophy, or a religion. This idea of Bigotry only promote neutrality. Basically your a bigot if you care about what others wish to do under your own roof.
@charlamain2209 You don't see that happening because your thoughts and feelings are that people should be denied basic human rights because it goes against your faith. Marriage doesn't belong to Christianity or any other religion, it belongs to the people.
@elgmalone Why should I be denied the right to express my faith. It doesn't make sense for a country to allow a person to believe but then turn around and say that they can't express their faith in any public forum such as a business. Then according to your thoughts and feelings the baker who refused to write happy birthday Hitler on a child's birthday cake was wrong, because he denied the parents of that child a basic human right based on their faith, on their morals and values.
@charlamain2209 Let's put it this way. Suppose I, an atheist, chose to open a private school. Personally I'm not thrilled with the idea of my kid going out into the world getting all kinds of crazy ideas put in his head by Christians who may tell him horror stories of going to hell or trying to convince him that evolution is not correct and god used intelligent design. Should I be able to ask parents who want to admit their children into the school what religion they are ...
@elgmalone If it's a private school and that's what you want then you are entitled to that right. That is why there are Christian schools and Even catholic schools so that the school can be selective about who attends the school and or selective about what their children are taught.
@charlamain2209 ... and then deny them based on the fact that their Christian teachings and maybe even some of their behavior might be disturbing to me?
@charlamain2209 Mormons perform what's called a "sealing ceremony" so a married couple will be sealed in the after life after death. I think that's really strange behavior. Should I be able to open a bed and breakfast and ask couples if they are Mormon and if they've performed a sealing ceremony and if they have, be able to deny them? Or do you think you're the only one who should be able to pick and choose who to discriminate against because you're a Christian?
@elgmalone It might be kind of rude to ask them outright if they are morman and you are completely misunderstanding the situation. This couple approached the bed and breakfast owners about Performing a civil union ceremony on their property. Why should they be forced to allow something that they disagree with to occur on their property.cnt.
@charlamain2209 So if you do not believe what the Mormon do and a couple were to ask to rent out a space for such a facility you should have the right to say no to the couple. I would not support anyone from turning anyone away from lodgings and it could also leave a person open to lawsuit and or manslaughter charges for turning away someone who is tired and they wind up in an accident due to lack of sleep.
@charlamain2209 basically what I am advocating is the bed and breakfast owners right to refuse to allow any sort of ceremonies that they do not believe in to be conducted on their property I am not advocating for them to be allowed to turn away a same sex couple or a couple of a differing faith or race lodging for the night.
@cbsteffen LOL! This is CA. The land of bastardized languages. Half of our streets have Spanish names and even Spanish speakers mangle the pronounciations. Not because they can't say it correctly, but simply because when you grow up here you tend to learn an accepted pronounciation and use it. I used to live 5 minutes away from Ventura Blvd. and NO ONE pronounces that word correctly.
We have the right to start a pro-hetero-marriage club. We have the right not to be brain washed and bullied into exchanging the truth for a lie. We have the right to keep our traditional values. We have the right to choose our own path. We have a right to believe in only one relationship type. We have the right to choose God!
charlamain2209 6 months ago
@charlamain2209 I'm a white woman married to a black man. Should people who are against interracial marriage have the right to forbid interracial couples from getting married?
elgmalone 2 months ago 2
@elgmalone No, the difference is that to forbid interracial couples would be discrimination to not want to marry someone of the same sex can be backed by the bible however once they obtain the right to marriage then the Government denies people the right to acknowledge what's in the bible. Business's, and people in government offices are forced to accept it weather they want to or not. cnt.
charlamain2209 1 month ago
@charlamain2209 Those who claim that the races should be separate in the bible are wrong and one can shoot their argument down through scholarly analysis of the single bible verse that they use to try and justify their belief. Where homosexuality is concerned religious scholars from both sides could argue weather the bible condones it or condemns it till they are blue in the face and come to no solid conclusion. cnt.
charlamain2209 1 month ago
@charlamain2209 At best what I would like to see if both sides thoughts and feelings be respected. However I don't see that happening. My state just last year granted civil unions and almost immediately a couple targeted a bed and breakfast who's owners turned them away for religious reasons.
charlamain2209 1 month ago
@charlamain2209 So what if it's in the bible? If it's your bible and you want to follow that than don't marry someone of the same sex. Don't shove the bible down my throat and don't make your religion my law.
elgmalone 1 month ago 2
@elgmalone Yes but if I own a business shouldn't I have the right to refuse service if someone is asking me to go against my faith? That is what happened to the bed and breakfast owners in my state. They were asked if they would host a civil union in some space they rent out and they turned the couple down because it goes against their faith. Now according to certain people just because they are a business they should ignore their faith.
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@charlamain2209 No you shouldn't have that right. You're not allowed to discriminate if you're running a business. If you can't handle that then get into a different line of work. Sorry but I just don't accept "I'm allowed to be a bigot because I'm a Christian." as a valid excuse.
elgmalone 1 month ago 2
@elgmalone Then that limits what jobs a Christian can do. If there is no excuse, if a person faith can't be recognized then they are just as oppressed as you claim to be. certain jobs a christian would have to seek out a christian based employer yet you would probably still target them because the only private life your believe in is your own.
charlamain2209 1 month ago
@charlamain2209 Why shouldn't a KKK member be allowed to discriminate against black people? It's a protestant organization. They believe white protestants are god's chosen people? Why shouldn't they be allowed to run a business where they openly discriminate against black people? You just can't use your religion as an excuse to discriminate against a group of people who make you uncomfortable. And it is an excuse. The bible condones slavery. Why is that not ok? ...
elgmalone 1 month ago
@elgmalone wrong the bible does not condone slavery, at least not American Slavery. Slavery in the bible was I think, a result of wars, as well as indentured servitude. Several hero's of the bible were slaves. David was taken from his home and forced to serve in the court of the king who conquered his country, the same goes for Nehemiah. Joseph was sold into slavery by his brothers, because they were jealous. cnt.
charlamain2209 1 month ago
@charlamain2209 The bible also speaks about Love, the KKK does not promote love, as far as slavery in the bible was concerned God instructed the Jew's to treat their slaves/servants with compassion. The KKK does not teach compassion for anyone except for protestant Whites. That is why it is not okay for them to own a business and discriminate.
charlamain2209 1 month ago
@elgmalone let me ask you this, was what we did to the Indian's right? We forced them onto reservations, put cotton fabrics on their children, forced them to go to white mans schools, and forbid them to speak their native tongues. Many people thought that was what was best for them. They didn't believe in our way's yet we forced them into what we considered civilized society. cnt.
charlamain2209 1 month ago
@charlamain2209 So telling a business owner that they have to accept anyone who walks through their door because it's societies way, isn't that the same thing that we did to the Indians?
charlamain2209 1 month ago
@charlamain2209 The bottom line is no one is stopping you from running a business. It's not legal to discriminate based on race, gender, beliefe, or sexual orientation. I'm an atheist but I honestly think there should be an exception made in the case of religious organizations only because it seems religions are against it. But you're not talking about running a religious organization and you can't just pick and choose who you can provide service to. ...
elgmalone 1 month ago
@charlamain2209 ... either you provide that particular service or you don't. Either they allow wedding ceremonies on their premises or they don't.
elgmalone 1 month ago
@charlamain2209 What you don't seem to understand is that there are bigots of all kinds who hate different people for different reasons. You seem to understand that it's not ok to discriminate against people because of race. I'm sure you understand it's not ok because of sex. You certainly don't believe people should be discriminated against due to religion. But homosexuality seems to bother you personally, so in your book to discriminate against homosexuals is just fine.
elgmalone 1 month ago
@charlamain2209 ... my mom told me when she was a child businesses had signs up stating "No blacks allowed" or "We serve whites only". Black people had to go to separate businesses. Are you saying we should do the same for same sex and heterosexual weddings? Maybe the owners of that business should put up a sign stating "Only straights can wed here." That paints an ugly picture doesn't it?
elgmalone 1 month ago
@charlamain2209 That isn't the same situation at all. No it wasn't right. But we came on to someone else's land and just took over. It wasn't like we were living here the whole time and spent years accepting the fact that we didn't have the same rights as the Native Americans and finally demanded those rights from those who oppressed us. So I don't see the difference here. Homosexuals aren't new. I have a cousin who is in her 60s who married a man because she felt...
elgmalone 1 month ago
@charlamain2209 I'm not sure what happened to my last response to this. Some how it didn't get posted. But yes what we did to the Indian's was wrong. But That isn't the same situation. Homosexuality isn't new. I have a cousin who is in her 60s who has been living with her partner for over 30 years. She was married to a man, which she only did because at the time that's what you were supposed to do, but there was never a doubt that it just wasn't right. What we did to ...
elgmalone 1 month ago
@charlamain2209 the Indian's is walk onto their land and took over. We weren't already living here among them. They didn't spend years depriving us of our rights. They didn't force us to live in secrecy or tell us we couldn't get married. We didn't rise up against oppressors and finally demand our rights. So I don't see how this situation relates to that at all.
elgmalone 1 month ago
@charlamain2209 There are plenty of Christians who have no problems with homosexuals. There are plenty of Christians who are homosexuals. So it's not your religion, it's you. You're a bigot who uses religion as an excuse. If you don't like homosexuality than that's your opinion, but be honest about it. And just because you have the freedom in this country to be a bigot doesn't mean you can run a business and open discriminate against people.
elgmalone 1 month ago
@elgmalone Okay yes there are different denomination in the Christian Religion some that do accept homosexuality other don't so it's not just me. The general definition of a bigot describe's everyone as a whole as a bigot. It's anyone who is partial to a race, philosophy, or a religion. This idea of Bigotry only promote neutrality. Basically your a bigot if you care about what others wish to do under your own roof.
charlamain2209 1 month ago
@charlamain2209 You don't see that happening because your thoughts and feelings are that people should be denied basic human rights because it goes against your faith. Marriage doesn't belong to Christianity or any other religion, it belongs to the people.
elgmalone 1 month ago 2
@elgmalone Why should I be denied the right to express my faith. It doesn't make sense for a country to allow a person to believe but then turn around and say that they can't express their faith in any public forum such as a business. Then according to your thoughts and feelings the baker who refused to write happy birthday Hitler on a child's birthday cake was wrong, because he denied the parents of that child a basic human right based on their faith, on their morals and values.
charlamain2209 1 month ago
@charlamain2209 Let's put it this way. Suppose I, an atheist, chose to open a private school. Personally I'm not thrilled with the idea of my kid going out into the world getting all kinds of crazy ideas put in his head by Christians who may tell him horror stories of going to hell or trying to convince him that evolution is not correct and god used intelligent design. Should I be able to ask parents who want to admit their children into the school what religion they are ...
elgmalone 1 month ago
@elgmalone If it's a private school and that's what you want then you are entitled to that right. That is why there are Christian schools and Even catholic schools so that the school can be selective about who attends the school and or selective about what their children are taught.
charlamain2209 1 month ago
@charlamain2209 They can be selective about what they teach. But it's illegal for them to select children based on race or religion.
elgmalone 4 weeks ago
@charlamain2209 ... and then deny them based on the fact that their Christian teachings and maybe even some of their behavior might be disturbing to me?
elgmalone 1 month ago
@charlamain2209 Mormons perform what's called a "sealing ceremony" so a married couple will be sealed in the after life after death. I think that's really strange behavior. Should I be able to open a bed and breakfast and ask couples if they are Mormon and if they've performed a sealing ceremony and if they have, be able to deny them? Or do you think you're the only one who should be able to pick and choose who to discriminate against because you're a Christian?
elgmalone 1 month ago
@elgmalone It might be kind of rude to ask them outright if they are morman and you are completely misunderstanding the situation. This couple approached the bed and breakfast owners about Performing a civil union ceremony on their property. Why should they be forced to allow something that they disagree with to occur on their property.cnt.
charlamain2209 1 month ago
@charlamain2209 So if you do not believe what the Mormon do and a couple were to ask to rent out a space for such a facility you should have the right to say no to the couple. I would not support anyone from turning anyone away from lodgings and it could also leave a person open to lawsuit and or manslaughter charges for turning away someone who is tired and they wind up in an accident due to lack of sleep.
charlamain2209 1 month ago
@charlamain2209 basically what I am advocating is the bed and breakfast owners right to refuse to allow any sort of ceremonies that they do not believe in to be conducted on their property I am not advocating for them to be allowed to turn away a same sex couple or a couple of a differing faith or race lodging for the night.
charlamain2209 1 month ago
I'm not saying you're wrong, but don't you think that Lambda should be pronounced LAHM-da?
cbsteffen 2 years ago
@cbsteffen LOL! This is CA. The land of bastardized languages. Half of our streets have Spanish names and even Spanish speakers mangle the pronounciations. Not because they can't say it correctly, but simply because when you grow up here you tend to learn an accepted pronounciation and use it. I used to live 5 minutes away from Ventura Blvd. and NO ONE pronounces that word correctly.
elgmalone 2 months ago
Great video!!
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