@drifter402 Yup, you're right no engines. If they were to put the engines in the vid they would have to show them go through,but there's no holes. So the next step would be to have them blow apart, but there was no parts. the next step is to have them disintagrate which is impossible. So I guess they just said " let not put any engines people won't know"
How do you know this video is bullshit? ----> The plane has no engines, and the tail section does not even get touched. ...even after entering the building, the tail section is still intact. lol Why do the "Debunkers" always leave their ass open?
Where is the Pentagon wall? Where are the two 757 engines? Where is the second floor that the 757 is also supposed to have slice through according to eyewitness Captain Lincoln Liebner, who rescued nine persons inside the Pentagon?
This computer simulation is a fraud, just like the trolling Merlin5x5!
The Pentagon wall, the two 757 engines, and the second floor are INSIDE this simulation, they are just rendered with transparent color. Their impact on the 757 is being calculated, just not shown, because it would block our view.
I mean, if you want an accurate simulation, we can put a Pentagon roof on this video, and not see a thing, lol.
@brian78045. What do you mean by where is the wall? there were parts from the door,landing gear,shell,engine,wheel rims, etc...all available to see online and presented in court documents.
Of course you are not into the truth so why waste anyone's time..
That is not what the damage to the building says. The direction the plane was traveling and the perfectly sheared building face without fire damage inside the spaces exactly where this animation shows the plane crashing into conflict with each other. Come on, if 9/11 was true please give valid scientific explanations ... like the remodeling contractor left a perfect control seam across the whole monolithic concrete building, even the roof, and forgot to add the structural connections and steel.
DID you even READ the Pentagon Building Performance report?
The Limestone facade was pushed back 8 feet, before breaking into the 20 foot hole. The windows are 5 feet wide, 8 feet high, and 10 feet apart, and the 757 took out TWO windows. Due the math.
Only a Twoofer would think the facade has a hole like a black painted on tunnel in a cartoon.
I do not believe the investigation. The flight path, approach angle, and the building damage conflict. I'm sorry you do not know what your looking at. Look at the perfect shear across the whole building without any cracked or broken concrete, no broken connections, no steel retrofit, the roofing and limestone is perfecly sheared, materials overlap. There is no damage, fire, blast, from the second to fifth floor on sheared face, directly in angle plane traveled to inner ring. 757? No, TLAM.
From Truther websites, the 757 was radio altimetered at 650 feet over a mile and a half out. Apply Tan(650/8000) =3.7 degrees. NORMAL landing glide path = 3 to 5 degrees, with most 3.
Take a look at a map of Wash. DC. The 757 came in at 45 deg to the WESTERN wall. Early Truther websites identified it as the SOUTHEAST Wall.
Now trace backward 330 degrees in two turns, 60 and 270, and you get the potomac river.
What most Truther Websites did NOT know is that Hani Hanjour never took any flight instrument / navigation training.
He only knew how to point and fly, basically. SO, to get to washington from dulles, you turn east, toward the morning sun, and find the potomac river, follow it up and OVER Arlington, it's a hill, to where the Pentagon is, in foggy bottom.
You turn to avoid RR airport (60), then turn 270 to attack, both coached by freeways. Looking at a map is a PILOT skill.
You have me mistaken for some other fool .... The story about this guy in a cave or on his nuclear satellite phone from 200 stories below ground with super commando terrorists, that roam the country, and the globe under CIA and FBI watch, then get away to pull off the greatest crime of all time, all still free. Not all DNA identified but all passengers DNA has been? What about the two hijack attempts connected to 9/11 on 9/13/2001? How many hijackers Merlin? 13? 15? 19? 20? 28, 29? Jose?
Oh, and if you had an engineering background, you should know that legacy concrete and stone buildings were built in segments, because concrete and stone expand and contract.
It's not a monolithic building at all, is it?
The pentagon, has a wikipedia page, you should read it.
The Scientific explanation of the Pentagon is pretty simple, a 757 hit it. A missile, or whatever is your fantasy, would have to be 120 tons at 500 mph.
Joints and building materials are all staggered. Concrete Bunker style buildings, nor any other reinforced concrete structure has one control seam at one point across the entire structure. Monolithic pours are staggered, The cold seam? would have heavy bearing below. No Rebar is seen exposed. There would be no strength when load or lateral force is applied. The building would "fall over" exactly like you saw. Remember, The building had a 7 year interior structural steel retrofit also. More pics
Sorry, the PUBLIC TOUR of the Pentagon, which I have been on, identifies 5 different segments, which are largely independent of each other. Think of it as 5 different wedge shaped buildings, close together.
The Indiana Limestone facade uses 18x18x24, 200 lb blocks, which is backed by a supporting reinforced concrete wall 24 inches thick. The Pentagon was built during the days when the German Bismarck was roaming the atlantic.
The wall was not 24 inches thick at the exterior face. Look at the pictures again. The windows are the original double hung wood framed windows, with 1/4 tempered glass, a 4 inch void and another blast insert that is no thicker than 3/8 of an inch. I have picturres of the windows up close. The exterior walls including limestone are no more than 12" thick. The windows are recessed 4 inches, a 2 inch double hung original wood frame window with 1/4" tempered, 4 inch void, 1/2" fixed window insert.
Your argument is with the History of the Pentagon, which is the DOD site documenting the materials used at the Pentagon.
They state the windows are 5 foot wide, and 8 foot high, separated by 10 feet of wall, the story height at 14 feet, one inch, the windows as being blast resistant, and the INCREASED strength of the Pentagon renovation project.
Maybe they got it wrong, or possibly you are.
The Pentagon is only 3-5 miles from the sea, they built it as a fortress first.
You actually have pictures of the wall at cutaway available to you right now. The Exterior wall is no thicker than 12". Look. The same Contractor that remodeled the building for 7 years, also got the contract to fix the damage. I am not very impressed with their work to say the least. They were actually working on that area of the building on 9/11, luckily no construction workers were injured, mainly bookeepers and accountants marked for death ...... See September 10, 2001 Pentagon.
I would suggest to you that you simply read the History of the Pentagon website. Or any of a dozen books on the pentagon, and how it's built. I haven't seen ANY source that puts their walls at less then three feet.
SO, may I suggest to you that what you saw was the inner masonry wall that is INSIDE the external walls?
Unless you think 18x18x24 foot Indiana Limestone is only 12 inches thick.
The building sheared not at the wedge as you say, 5 different sections, it sheared mid point on the face. From a second explosion, acording to the 9/11 Commission Report, The biggest quack science fiction novel I have ever read.
"between the first-floor slab on grade and the second floor" Means something different than just "between the first and second floor". Saying "first-floor SLAB" means ground level. So in other words its saying it hit between ground level and the second floor. Which is why it says "for the most part". Because we know some of it hit the second floor.
I think we've come to a stand still here. I think we both know what the other one is saying.
"bryankelly, who said most of the object didn't impact the first floor?"
No one explicitly stated that. But what I was doing was arguing the inherent implication that the wording "between the first and second floor" states. It needed to be clarified that the majority of it hit the bottom floor.
Yes dude. column 14 on the second floor, get over it. I've never denied that. NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, denied that. Here I'll even help you out. Column 18-20 was damaged on the second floor too. tinyurl*com/3dez3g
Even still. The plane itself impacted the bottom floor. tinyurl*com/38do2h
Remember, this conversation started with the implication that this study is fake because it doesn't address the second floor. I was merely stating that the second floor is of minimal importance, because once again only the 14th column was fully destroyed. But as I've since learned, this study DOES include the second floor, just not in this small clip. So the conversation is irrelevant anyway.
How, when I've already said "the fuselage tail...hit the second floor" do you come up with I "insist" the plane "didn't impact the second floor"? You're engaging in purposeful manipulative straw man and red herring arg'. I don't know how you can live with yrself being so blatantly deceitful with such a tragic topic. I've been very clear in my arg's and all you do is misrepresent them to fit your personal needs. It only shows your need to manipulate truth to win. Good for you.
NOPE! Straw man! Having minimal damage to the second floor does not mean it "impacted BETWEEN the 1st and 2nd floors." It impacted the bottom floor and minimal impact (only one column) was of the second floor.
Wow, FEMA says, "The impact upon the west facade removed first-floor columns from column line 10-14. First-floor exterior columns on column lines 9, 15, 16 and 17 were severely damaged, perhaps to the point of loosing all capacity."
Thats columns 9 through 17 on the bottum floor. And you want to say that one column on the second floor is crucial to this animation? Thats the topic. Not whether one column was hit, because we've both already said it was.
You are completely incapable of comprehending anything you read past a 6th grade thinking level. The second floor was not crucial to the crash. I accept FEMA and NIST reports. And they prove my argument and this video. YOUR QUOTES prove MY ARGUMENT. You're thinking is pathetic. And you sir are in denial.
neither one of those quotes from nist or fema provides evidence of your claim that "Flight 77's fuselage impacted BETWEEN the 1st and 2nd floors"
The nose cone, the majority of the fuselage, the wings out until the engines all hit the bottom floor. Thus the plane impacted on the bottom floor. When the plane was well into the building the vertical stabilizer, the fuselage tail, the starboard wing past the engine where the only pieces that hit the second floor.
what I think is funny is that you base your whole argument that the video is a fraud based on the ideal that the second floor was crucial to the impact. I call you out on it, so you do some research and only find out that ONE column, only ONE column on the second floor was damaged. Its as if you forgot what the initial argument was and so you post evidence supporting the video instead.
"Flight 77's fuselage impacted BETWEEN the 1st and 2nd floors!"
No it did not. I'm not in denial, i obviously just know more about it than you do. Because the fuselage sure as hell DID NOT hit "BETWEEN the 1st and 2nd floors"
just because the video ends in 5 sec doesn't mean the simulation does. and flight 77 mostly enters on the bottom floor, only the starboard wing and the vertical stabilizer hits anything higher. of course this is the only way Purdue could explain the damage because thats the exact way it happened. pass it on, you're a moron.
LOL HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAAAAAAAAAA
48mmwatch 2 months ago
Has anybody seen the engines of the plane in this simulation? Think about it. Titan-Carbon maybe was "powdered" before the crash?
Stanley2009Cubic 4 months ago
They need to stop getting uni kids working on this and listened to the peer-reviewed scientist at A+E.
stratocaster539 4 months ago
This is old debunked non scientific crap.
stratocaster539 4 months ago
what about the four-tonne chunks of titanium known as engines on the wings?
eastvalley80 6 months ago
I wonder what this animation would've looked like if they'd bothered to model the reinforced concrete wall the plane smashed into.
xtcongo 6 months ago
nice cartoon!
townsvillefield 6 months ago
somebody forgot the engines.
MrDuspaghi 7 months ago
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yeah right, all these videos are the same....COMPUTER bullshit show the REAL fucking plane hitting !!!!
zoobizzit 7 months ago
funnt frog
11903311 9 months ago
THIS IS BULLSHIT. MAN THE TAIL ENTER PERFECTLY AND THERE R NO ENGINES
drifter402 9 months ago
@drifter402 Yup, you're right no engines. If they were to put the engines in the vid they would have to show them go through,but there's no holes. So the next step would be to have them blow apart, but there was no parts. the next step is to have them disintagrate which is impossible. So I guess they just said " let not put any engines people won't know"
eugenemr 8 months ago
How do you know this video is bullshit? ----> The plane has no engines, and the tail section does not even get touched. ...even after entering the building, the tail section is still intact. lol Why do the "Debunkers" always leave their ass open?
Born2Flesh 9 months ago
Yeah, I'm sure the Pentagon didn't have any cameras to record this event.
lefrauens 11 months ago
this is the most watched and secure bulding in the usa,
SHOW ME THE VIDEO IF THE PLANE CRASHING, SHOW ME THE VIDEO OF EVEN THE PLANE, a bunch of cameras and only just 5 useless frames>?
bullshit
911 was an inside out
fuck you cheney
andrew09211 1 year ago
???
bartfart42 1 year ago
Where is the Pentagon wall? Where are the two 757 engines? Where is the second floor that the 757 is also supposed to have slice through according to eyewitness Captain Lincoln Liebner, who rescued nine persons inside the Pentagon?
This computer simulation is a fraud, just like the trolling Merlin5x5!
brian78045 1 year ago
I forgot to mention that the 757's tail fin goes right through the non-existent Pentagon wall intact! LOL!
brian78045 1 year ago
@brian78045
The Pentagon wall, the two 757 engines, and the second floor are INSIDE this simulation, they are just rendered with transparent color. Their impact on the 757 is being calculated, just not shown, because it would block our view.
I mean, if you want an accurate simulation, we can put a Pentagon roof on this video, and not see a thing, lol.
Merlin5x5 1 year ago
@brian78045. What do you mean by where is the wall? there were parts from the door,landing gear,shell,engine,wheel rims, etc...all available to see online and presented in court documents.
Of course you are not into the truth so why waste anyone's time..
JLaw012 1 year ago
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You are full of shit.
Born2Flesh 9 months ago
That is not what the damage to the building says. The direction the plane was traveling and the perfectly sheared building face without fire damage inside the spaces exactly where this animation shows the plane crashing into conflict with each other. Come on, if 9/11 was true please give valid scientific explanations ... like the remodeling contractor left a perfect control seam across the whole monolithic concrete building, even the roof, and forgot to add the structural connections and steel.
superiorgreen 2 years ago
@superiorgreen
DID you even READ the Pentagon Building Performance report?
The Limestone facade was pushed back 8 feet, before breaking into the 20 foot hole. The windows are 5 feet wide, 8 feet high, and 10 feet apart, and the 757 took out TWO windows. Due the math.
Only a Twoofer would think the facade has a hole like a black painted on tunnel in a cartoon.
Really, guy, do SOME research.
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Merlin5x5 2 years ago
Comedy. I have been an engineer and a licensed contractor for over 15 years. I know exactly what I see.
superiorgreen 2 years ago
@superiorgreen
OK, then, the Pentagon BPR says how many columns were damaged?
Oh engineer?
Merlin5x5 2 years ago
I do not believe the investigation. The flight path, approach angle, and the building damage conflict. I'm sorry you do not know what your looking at. Look at the perfect shear across the whole building without any cracked or broken concrete, no broken connections, no steel retrofit, the roofing and limestone is perfecly sheared, materials overlap. There is no damage, fire, blast, from the second to fifth floor on sheared face, directly in angle plane traveled to inner ring. 757? No, TLAM.
superiorgreen 2 years ago
@superiorgreen
LMAO, you really have to get out more.
From Truther websites, the 757 was radio altimetered at 650 feet over a mile and a half out. Apply Tan(650/8000) =3.7 degrees. NORMAL landing glide path = 3 to 5 degrees, with most 3.
Take a look at a map of Wash. DC. The 757 came in at 45 deg to the WESTERN wall. Early Truther websites identified it as the SOUTHEAST Wall.
Now trace backward 330 degrees in two turns, 60 and 270, and you get the potomac river.
Pretty simple.
Merlin5x5 2 years ago
@superiorgreen
What most Truther Websites did NOT know is that Hani Hanjour never took any flight instrument / navigation training.
He only knew how to point and fly, basically. SO, to get to washington from dulles, you turn east, toward the morning sun, and find the potomac river, follow it up and OVER Arlington, it's a hill, to where the Pentagon is, in foggy bottom.
You turn to avoid RR airport (60), then turn 270 to attack, both coached by freeways. Looking at a map is a PILOT skill.
Merlin5x5 2 years ago
You have me mistaken for some other fool .... The story about this guy in a cave or on his nuclear satellite phone from 200 stories below ground with super commando terrorists, that roam the country, and the globe under CIA and FBI watch, then get away to pull off the greatest crime of all time, all still free. Not all DNA identified but all passengers DNA has been? What about the two hijack attempts connected to 9/11 on 9/13/2001? How many hijackers Merlin? 13? 15? 19? 20? 28, 29? Jose?
superiorgreen 2 years ago
@superiorgreen
That's odd, Hitler was in a bunker, and was planning to attack the US with a sub orbital bomber in the 1940s.
Stalin was a recluse in a three room office, when he murdered as many as 15 million Ukranians and Cheznyans.
I would say there are 19 hijackers, have you heard anyone claim any other number?
Maybe that's because nobody has.
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Merlin5x5 2 years ago
Hani ...... Such a lie. Who is he? A CIA asset?
superiorgreen 2 years ago
@superiorgreen
Oh, and if you had an engineering background, you should know that legacy concrete and stone buildings were built in segments, because concrete and stone expand and contract.
It's not a monolithic building at all, is it?
The pentagon, has a wikipedia page, you should read it.
The Scientific explanation of the Pentagon is pretty simple, a 757 hit it. A missile, or whatever is your fantasy, would have to be 120 tons at 500 mph.
Merlin5x5 2 years ago
Joints and building materials are all staggered. Concrete Bunker style buildings, nor any other reinforced concrete structure has one control seam at one point across the entire structure. Monolithic pours are staggered, The cold seam? would have heavy bearing below. No Rebar is seen exposed. There would be no strength when load or lateral force is applied. The building would "fall over" exactly like you saw. Remember, The building had a 7 year interior structural steel retrofit also. More pics
superiorgreen 2 years ago
@superiorgreen
Sorry, the PUBLIC TOUR of the Pentagon, which I have been on, identifies 5 different segments, which are largely independent of each other. Think of it as 5 different wedge shaped buildings, close together.
The Indiana Limestone facade uses 18x18x24, 200 lb blocks, which is backed by a supporting reinforced concrete wall 24 inches thick. The Pentagon was built during the days when the German Bismarck was roaming the atlantic.
That makes 42 inches of wall.
Ever build one?
Merlin5x5 2 years ago
The wall was not 24 inches thick at the exterior face. Look at the pictures again. The windows are the original double hung wood framed windows, with 1/4 tempered glass, a 4 inch void and another blast insert that is no thicker than 3/8 of an inch. I have picturres of the windows up close. The exterior walls including limestone are no more than 12" thick. The windows are recessed 4 inches, a 2 inch double hung original wood frame window with 1/4" tempered, 4 inch void, 1/2" fixed window insert.
superiorgreen 2 years ago
@superiorgreen
Your argument is with the History of the Pentagon, which is the DOD site documenting the materials used at the Pentagon.
They state the windows are 5 foot wide, and 8 foot high, separated by 10 feet of wall, the story height at 14 feet, one inch, the windows as being blast resistant, and the INCREASED strength of the Pentagon renovation project.
Maybe they got it wrong, or possibly you are.
The Pentagon is only 3-5 miles from the sea, they built it as a fortress first.
Merlin5x5 2 years ago
You actually have pictures of the wall at cutaway available to you right now. The Exterior wall is no thicker than 12". Look. The same Contractor that remodeled the building for 7 years, also got the contract to fix the damage. I am not very impressed with their work to say the least. They were actually working on that area of the building on 9/11, luckily no construction workers were injured, mainly bookeepers and accountants marked for death ...... See September 10, 2001 Pentagon.
superiorgreen 2 years ago
@superiorgreen
I would suggest to you that you simply read the History of the Pentagon website. Or any of a dozen books on the pentagon, and how it's built. I haven't seen ANY source that puts their walls at less then three feet.
SO, may I suggest to you that what you saw was the inner masonry wall that is INSIDE the external walls?
Unless you think 18x18x24 foot Indiana Limestone is only 12 inches thick.
I kinda doubt it.
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Merlin5x5 2 years ago
The building sheared not at the wedge as you say, 5 different sections, it sheared mid point on the face. From a second explosion, acording to the 9/11 Commission Report, The biggest quack science fiction novel I have ever read.
superiorgreen 2 years ago
i think it's pretty much accepted as fact that a plane never hit the pentagon.
and why haven't we done something about it.???????????????????????????????????????????????
we all know what has to happen, get ready you'll know when..
dekonfrost7 2 years ago
whers black box? ther indistructable..
EvilPandaStudios101 2 years ago
"That is completely flawd i am afraid. No wings even went into the building, or even made an indentation."
Well, at least they made up for it with their ridiculous WTC simulation.
CACBCCCU 3 years ago 2
This is an official clip from the pentagon report isnt it?
WHERE ARE THE ENGINES????
LOL
fecking amateurs.
911=self inflicted
TR7Blunt 3 years ago 2
That is completely flawd i am afraid. No wings even went into the building, or even made an indentation.
swanseaboy 3 years ago
Of course it is flawd, no plane hit the fucking thing
keflar5 3 years ago 2
No, there is video that shows the wall falling after the object hit the pentagon.
rea1001 3 years ago
i think whoever still thinks an aircraft of that size that was flown by a terorist that wasnt even able to fly a cesna is stupid and ignorant
kaoticsm 3 years ago
"between the first-floor slab on grade and the second floor" Means something different than just "between the first and second floor". Saying "first-floor SLAB" means ground level. So in other words its saying it hit between ground level and the second floor. Which is why it says "for the most part". Because we know some of it hit the second floor.
I think we've come to a stand still here. I think we both know what the other one is saying.
bryankelly 4 years ago
"bryankelly, who said most of the object didn't impact the first floor?"
No one explicitly stated that. But what I was doing was arguing the inherent implication that the wording "between the first and second floor" states. It needed to be clarified that the majority of it hit the bottom floor.
bryankelly 4 years ago
Yes dude. column 14 on the second floor, get over it. I've never denied that. NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, denied that. Here I'll even help you out. Column 18-20 was damaged on the second floor too. tinyurl*com/3dez3g
Even still. The plane itself impacted the bottom floor. tinyurl*com/38do2h
I'm sorry you can't comprehend that concept.
bryankelly 4 years ago
Remember, this conversation started with the implication that this study is fake because it doesn't address the second floor. I was merely stating that the second floor is of minimal importance, because once again only the 14th column was fully destroyed. But as I've since learned, this study DOES include the second floor, just not in this small clip. So the conversation is irrelevant anyway.
bryankelly 4 years ago
How, when I've already said "the fuselage tail...hit the second floor" do you come up with I "insist" the plane "didn't impact the second floor"? You're engaging in purposeful manipulative straw man and red herring arg'. I don't know how you can live with yrself being so blatantly deceitful with such a tragic topic. I've been very clear in my arg's and all you do is misrepresent them to fit your personal needs. It only shows your need to manipulate truth to win. Good for you.
bryankelly 4 years ago
NOPE! Straw man! Having minimal damage to the second floor does not mean it "impacted BETWEEN the 1st and 2nd floors." It impacted the bottom floor and minimal impact (only one column) was of the second floor.
bryankelly 4 years ago
Wow, FEMA says, "The impact upon the west facade removed first-floor columns from column line 10-14. First-floor exterior columns on column lines 9, 15, 16 and 17 were severely damaged, perhaps to the point of loosing all capacity."
Thats columns 9 through 17 on the bottum floor. And you want to say that one column on the second floor is crucial to this animation? Thats the topic. Not whether one column was hit, because we've both already said it was.
bryankelly 4 years ago
You are completely incapable of comprehending anything you read past a 6th grade thinking level. The second floor was not crucial to the crash. I accept FEMA and NIST reports. And they prove my argument and this video. YOUR QUOTES prove MY ARGUMENT. You're thinking is pathetic. And you sir are in denial.
bryankelly 4 years ago
neither one of those quotes from nist or fema provides evidence of your claim that "Flight 77's fuselage impacted BETWEEN the 1st and 2nd floors"
The nose cone, the majority of the fuselage, the wings out until the engines all hit the bottom floor. Thus the plane impacted on the bottom floor. When the plane was well into the building the vertical stabilizer, the fuselage tail, the starboard wing past the engine where the only pieces that hit the second floor.
bryankelly 4 years ago
what I think is funny is that you base your whole argument that the video is a fraud based on the ideal that the second floor was crucial to the impact. I call you out on it, so you do some research and only find out that ONE column, only ONE column on the second floor was damaged. Its as if you forgot what the initial argument was and so you post evidence supporting the video instead.
bryankelly 4 years ago
"Flight 77's fuselage impacted BETWEEN the 1st and 2nd floors!"
No it did not. I'm not in denial, i obviously just know more about it than you do. Because the fuselage sure as hell DID NOT hit "BETWEEN the 1st and 2nd floors"
bryankelly 4 years ago
just because the video ends in 5 sec doesn't mean the simulation does. and flight 77 mostly enters on the bottom floor, only the starboard wing and the vertical stabilizer hits anything higher. of course this is the only way Purdue could explain the damage because thats the exact way it happened. pass it on, you're a moron.
bryankelly 4 years ago
LOL... the the shit they expect us to swallow. This is sheer propaganda. It has NOTHING in common with flight 77, except for the flight name.
djjimi 4 years ago
ugh...nasty
poor missle
villhiemdeverm2 4 years ago