Water To Gas Hoax EXPOSED! What Some People Do To Make A Buck!

[koncertLive]

You know what else has made it to TV. HHO mass transit vehicles paid for by our tax dollars. I hate it when people like you make face value arguments. I understand both sides of the debate but I know that we can make hho gas at home for extremely cheap. What I havent seen is someone make it on the fly in the vehicle and prove the performance. If California can put it on a Bus I can put it in my car. All I need is an HHO fuel station cause I dont live in Cali. We call that infrastructure .

[rstevewarmorycom]

@koncertLive "Making it on the fly" is as stupid as using

your battery to charge another battery and using THAT one

to run your electric car. You lose by the transfer, now twice!

[koncertLive]

@rstevewarmorycom Ive seen some mighty claims of as much as 45lpm in a pickup truck but he failed to provide a mpg increase. You are partly right about the loss of transfer. If you would have said, "as for now". Because if you think any other way they win!

[rstevewarmorycom]

@koncertLive They don't "win", they steal. They don't

CARE about "winning". If somebody ever invented a

REAL "free energy" scheme, it would destroy their

business!!

[dick117]

I'm starting to think this Me102288 is the Kaiser Soze of trolls. I refuse to believe anyone can be so ignorant. Well played sir.

[Me102288]

@dick117 was a joke lol I'm sure if we could acually get them to work "on demand" half the idiots on the planet would still be calling it a scam :-)

[dick117]

@Me102288 Are you still going on? You're not even coherent.

[Me102288]

@dick117 or the opposite, your dumb as a post. needless to say, my information is coming from nasa and REAL World info, you might wanna stick your head back in the hole if you dont want to learn the truth :-\

[dick117]

@Me102288 Well good for you. Have fun with your water car and hoverboard.

[rstevewarmorycom]

@dick117 You're merely a disinformationalist serving

these charlatans, you're probably chief among them.

You make no sense intentionally to take up the time

of honest scientists trying to tell people the truth about

you.

[Me102288]

@me2b1 but you couldn't have seen... one of those.. there a scam, so they just cant be real because I said so..

Hmm government sounds like my mom. Oh well, never listened to her and look were I am now

p.s. you'll never catch him, he's got 4 cases of water in his back seat.. dat boys gunna lap you 5 billion times over :-)

[tdebat]

oil company's must be feeling it in their pockets otherwise they would not be putting propaganda like this!!

[Me102288]

@tdebat true. and to think NASA tested the BMW Hydrogen 7 and PASSED IT....

The BMW H7 runs on hydrogen.. 100% hydrogen.. given its from a liquid hydrogen tank, but now think about an accelerent in the hydrogen..like oxygen... oh.. thats HHO ( the USA patent is under a Dr. Browns) lol

come to think of it, I havent used any gasoline for my riding lawnmower in the last 3 years

glad to see another has seen the truth.

[tdebat]

@Me102288 - NASA has been using hydrogen as fuel since the 50's, just shows how long the people have been deceived! if gasoline was a better fuel NASA would use it! cheers to HHO

[Me102288]

@tdebat wow that long and the goverment controling the gas prices are still trying to denie it works.. oh right they're trying to keep people buying gasoline.. go fig. So they get richer by poluting the planet.. its obvious its worth billions so ya, I'd bet they would kill to keep the cash rolling in... Stan Meyers ? food poisoning? hmm

[JosephKrammer]

How about the Japanese company [genepax] that's making them already? Is that a hoax also?. I'm not arguing, just looking for answers. Thanks.

[smiles1969able]

na its actually real ya dick

[Lazy726]

Its not a Hoax. HHO is flammable just as gasoline is. I have tested this myself with a simple 12 volt laptop plug and 2 steel poles no advanced design just a simple test. And the HHO produced made a nice bang. For gasoline its Air/Fuel 14:1

for HHO its 18:1 So you do need more air to make the bang but its not a problem at all. If we could create enough HHO at once we could run a car on HHO alone

[Me102288]

@SinistaMace true, and hho is 2 parts hyrogen 1 part oxygen, and oxygen is flamable on its own lol.. so its 100x more powerfull, technically need 50 x less then you need gasoline to run same engine

[nationalpride]

Instead of trying to get us to your site, why don't you prove its a hoax on here?

[Desertphile]

@nationalpride ; "why don't you prove its a hoax on here? "

Idiot. The burden of proof is not on the skeptics.

[nationalpride]

@Desertphile

I agree it's probably a hoax; however, what I mean is, don't send us on a wild goose chase through their website.

[Me102288]

@nationalpride BMW Hydrogen7 tested at nasa, passed.. runs competelley on hydrogen. PROOF..

Nasa calls hydrogen a fuel. ask them why they've been using it for years in the space shuttle.

Oh and last, I'm not a seller or dealer of these ELECTROLYSIS devices...

[Me102288]

@nationalpride websites that boldly say save 90% on fuel with water are probably scams, like a lot of other scams... doesnt mean it cant be done by a respectable salesman who actually installs it correctly.

its already proven a combustion engine runs on it. What more can you prove? well, compare the 2.. engine running on 100% gasoline? or 100% Hydrogen

So what do you think now about simply switching 50% of the Hydrogen with 50% of the gasoline now that you know both will succeed?

[Me102288]

@nationalpride they cant, we already know it runs an engine entirely on hydrogen, they best part will be when we can make enough to do exactly that "on demand" from water.

[ABaumstumpf]

u realy think everthing on TV is true? have u seen godzilla?

[aaronrnelson22]

HHO generators are a scam when trying to increase a cars MPG. Don't put it in your car, it doesn't work, and it is extremely dangerous!

[TinJED]

I am running a little HHO generator made out of 20 gage 316 S.S. sheet metal angle inside of a plastic coffee can (I am on a low budget) I just want everyone out there to know that you can improve your mileage and performance with a little thought.

[lynel1985]

running an engine solely on water? not likely in our lifetime, but using water to enhance combustion, done and done and not a scam.

[noimw]

HHO does NOT enhance combustion, does not make the gasoline burn faster or slower or more complete. Just more BULLSHIT from the HHO peddlers. They are all SCAMS.

FACT: It will always take more power to make the hydrogen then

the hydrogen will give back, without Exception.

[lynel1985]

so if an engine has an irratic idle and hho is added to the inlet tract and the engine then can stablise its revs and idle smoothly, what has the HHO done? Im not saying there is benefit to it, but it has an effect, just like adding any other fuel source to the inlet. maybe your interpretation of enhance is different to mine. I dont beleive in over untiy but there is efficency to be gained somewhere

[noimw]

It's called putting a "Band-Aid" on a problem.

Be better to fix the problem than just covering it up.

On most vehicles HHO can only supply about 1/1,000 of the fuel & air needed to run the engine. Then you have to subtract the amount of extra power the alternator pulled from the engine to make the hydrogen.

Better driving habits (lighter foot) can make up for the decrease in MPG caused by an HHO system.

Yes, that's right decrease in MPG.

[lynel1985]

nothing is better for a car then a full remap of the stock ecu or a standalone ecu for fuel efficeincy. Ive done the sums, i know it takes something along the lines of 45litres per minute to IDLE a 2998cc engine (thats a minimum). Just needs a renewable/inexpensive way of producing hho, or H to make it effective. Getting better fuel economy from HHO is a joke, we can all agree.

[Me102288]

@noimw lol boy are you wrong, then again, you probably dont know it only tales 1.48 volts to start the electrolysis, ppl dont put 2 and 2 together... A: electrolysis generates hho. B: hho is 100x more explosive then gasoline.. C: COMBUSTION ENGINES run on COMBUSTABLE FUEL... do the math, the only answer is how much hho do I need to run my engine. your not running your car on water, your cutting the gas by replacing some of it with an alternative... why is the so hard to understand lol

[dick117]

@Me102288 The "math"? Okay (E from combustion) - (E to split H2O) + 0.3(E from burning H) = (Less E than you started with). And that's assuming electrolysis is 100% efficient.

I don't think "HHO" believers realize how ridiculous this concept is. If you could get more energy out than you put in then we could just line up a thousand of these kits, repeatedly stepping up the energy output so that a 9V battery is powering Las Vegas.

[Me102288]

@dick117 lol BMW Hydrogen 7 runs on hydrogen .. lol your dead wrong, hydrogen alone can run a vehicle, not those stupid getting energy from h2 forming back with oxygen generating elictricity crap Fuel cells.

Yes we should be being used more, but the government wants us to pay for gasoline so they'll continue not telling you. Meanwhile more and more people who work on cars or racing will tell you flat out.. It aint just plug and play.

[dick117]

@Me102288 No one said hydrogen can't run a car. If something burns you can design a car to run on it. That alone isn't enough to support these HHO perpetual motion scams. As far as this government conspiracy, hydrogen is HEAVILY subsidised. It sells for $5/gal(equivalent) but costs $50/gal to produce. If you want to see what a viable hydrogen future looks like, look up Daniel Nocera's research at MIT.

I'm not sure what the rest of your comment referred to.

[Me102288]

@dick117 MIT? Electrolysis has been known for a lot longer then that... MIT is about 75 years behind what simple humans have made.. lol why do you thing Trucking Fleets are outfitting there whole fleet with HHO generaters? Its obviously saving them money on diesel. :-) this entire planet should be using it by 2020 or the gasoline will cost $20 a Litre and the polution so thick we choke on it..

1 gallon of gas takes 6KW to produce, HHO = 0.8KW

[dick117]

@Me102288 Why are the HHO peddlers' websites and youtube videos the only media outlets that say fleets endorse HHO? I'm not sure what strawman you're talking to when you say MIT just discovered electrolysis. BTW electrolysis has been around for billions of years in plants(not 75). Nocera has reproduced the plant enzyme that splits water.

Commercial electrolysers are about 80% efficient. If "HHO" systems are better(over 100% efficient apparently) then you should start your own fueling station.

[Me102288]

@dick117 bah peddlers are fraudulent in the first place.. no matter what the try and con you with. MIT? the Industry.. I know electrolysis was found dating back 1000's of years ago

Fuel Station? Hell no, the basis I'min, is energy generation with no consequence's to the earth or us the fleets of transport trucks are catching on because they can save money on fuel. The civilians being lied to and scamed with continue paying for fuel.. its exactly what the oil companys want you to do

[Lokivoid]

@Me102288

When hydrogen under goes a exothermic reaction with oxygen it forms a compound. Wile this reaction is vary energetic when it comes to thermal energy. It does not generate much pressure outside of that created by thermal expansion. Infact it losses pressure becuse of the compounds formed. Now when you take a complex compound like petro and decompose it it generates a large amount of pressure low heat.

[Lokivoid]

@Me102288

A combustion engine runes on pressure, does not like heat. If you somehow mannaged to create enough hydrogen to power (and it would take alot, becuse as stated befor HHO generates more heat than pressure) a CSB the engine would knock and cease due the thermal stress. Not to mention it takes more energy to split Hydrogen and water then you will get back out from it (1.48 volts means nothing, as theres also ampree to account for) sorry but thats physics for you.

[Me102288]

@Lokivoid yes, pressure from controled explosions. and you'll find heating based entirely on the fuel.

You really should study up on hydrogen, it puts out much less heat because the reaction is exactly 9x faster then gasoline. You look at gasoline vehicles and they are designed with coolent systems to counteract it.

Hydrogen combusted in a sealed contain exibits not just explosion but the opposite right after, vacuum.

where the heat go? its consumed when H2 is combining back with o2

[Lokivoid]

@Me102288

"it puts out much less heat because the reaction is exactly 9x " No Just becuse the reaction rate is faster does not amount of less thermal energy sorry it does not work that way. "You look at gasoline vehicles and they are designed with coolent systems to counteract it." I think you need to look up what a engine blocks cooling system is designed for and its limitations. I have a ASE master certifcation (A1 through A8) I think i allready know how a "gasoline vehicle" works.

[Me102288]

@Lokivoid so your saying thermodynamics go out the window? Well you might be great with engines but not understand an atomic fuel.

Ok here goes, when an explosion happens with Hydrogen, Hydrogen is a biproduct, this is exactly why burning it creates water, this whole process of exploding create heat yes, but when its combining back with oxygen its reversed, it takes the heat to form back into water . and its exactly 1 to 1 it cant creates more heat then it takes to form h2o

[Lokivoid]

@Me102288

I dont think you understand thermodynamics, Its based around the total NET energy not just thermal energy. In order to burn the H2O molcule you would have to split it (Putting energy in), when combusted it returns back to water (your also making a asumption that all the hydrogen and oxygen atoms will reform into the H2o molacule.) The net energy of the combustion will not be greater than what was put in. The net energy is not limited to thermal energy, as it transitions forms.

[Me102288]

@Lokivoid LOL THERMO = HEAT..... lol quite the oppsite of what you just said...

and we all know you can release energy with heat.. Its called a BATTERY... you dont see electric moters obeying every law of thermodynamycs either.

[Lokivoid]

@Me102288

However the laws of thermodynamics states such a vehical would not run. Simply becuse it takes energy to perform eletrolysis than you can gain from it. If powered by the alternator you have to also take into account Lenz's law. Where the alternator's mechanical resistance will increase based on the load, In short the greater the electrical load you place on it more energy it takes to turn. plus the energy to make the vehical move.

[Me102288]

@Lokivoid and we advance in technology.. you truly think the guy who wrote that rule new the future? the law was based on what they knew THEN.

NOW, we have marine alternators that put out Kilowatts power at low rpm.. and low and behold theyre the same bolt pattern as standard electromagnet cored alternater.

I wonder what we'll learn tomorow, could brake another all binding rule that some guy stated 200 years ago :-o

[Lokivoid]

@Me102288

RPM does not mean anything, Torque and RPM are interchangable, and 1kilowatt (1000 watts) is nothing impressive. and as stated above lenz law still applies. "you truly think the guy who wrote that rule new the future", They are laws for a reason, they have a substantiual amount of evidence supporting them. There has not been ONE validated (As in the scientific method, peer review) claim of anyone ever breaking the law of conservation.

[Me102288]

@Lokivoid yes it does make a great deal when we can replace old alternaters the have to be at high rpm to generate any electricity at all.. this means the engine has to consume LESS fuel in the process of making more energy.

I guess Columbus had a really good laugh when prooved the world was round.

"they" have evidence.. lol.. sorry, did you know we knew with massive ammounts of evidense that the only way to find life is water... now we found life in very acidic liquid with no water.

[dick117]

@Lokivoid Well stated, but you're wasting your efforts on a troll. Notice how Me102288 never addresses the points you make which smack down his claims and then jumps to some other inane half baked stance.

[Me102288]

@dick117 ok then go argue with Nasa.. they state hydrogen as a fuel and use it as such. if you dont believe in it go argue with them and call them scammers or trolls. lol

[Me102288]

@dick117 because he cant smack down the truth

Half the crap spued from peoples mouths before then learn it has already been done, I'm not the one arfgueing the truth stands if you can make enough hho, an Internal Combustion engine WILL run on it, BMW did it on hydrogen alone, the car is avaible to buy a bmw'main website,,  its the Hydrpogen 7 model.. thats runs solely on hydrogen... not hydrogen and the accelerant pure oxygen. :-) have no idea why ppl deny it

[Me102288]

@dick117 ps, which claims. the one from nasa, or the one from BMW showing a stock gasoline burning engine they make run on ydrogen alone..

right dude.. my "claims" are not mine, I'm repeating the truth from other nationally recognized industries.

[Me102288]

@Lokivoid lol Nasa's proven Hydrogen violates th 2nd law of thermodynamics

it doesnt transfer heat as fast as it burns.. it has no time to. I'd figure the guy who wrote that guy didnt know shit about what we'd find in the future.

since the speech " to err is human" doesnt clue you in.. we are capable of making mistakes.. that means no "law" written by a human can be 100% correct

some guy 30 years from now could find a entirely different solution for fuel...

noone knows that, but its possible

[Me102288]

@Lokivoid is no mechanical resistance in a Magnetic bearing, permananent magnet alternater, 0 copgging, 0 torque required..

but why u say? Because they were design for marine vehicles whick cant aford to lose horsepower on a damn alternator

LOOK UP the word COG in alternaters and you know. they were made for it...

beside the point, if the engine is running, its putting out power...if it putting out power.. its generating Hydrogen..get it..NOT Over unity, just evens out 1 to 1

[rstevewarmorycom]

@Me102288 Your problem is PRECISELY that you don''t know

how to do math. Hydrogen takes EXACTLY as much energy to

free it from oxygen as it yields when burned with oxygen. The

energy to free it comes from your engine's electrical system

which runs off your engine. Therefore the amount of hydrogen

that it could produce would be, at most, exactly what the

engine puts out, leaving NO extra energy to push your car!

It's a scam, people, and the guy who thought it up served time

for it in California.

[Me102288]

@rstevewarmorycom your kidding right? you think feeding a flame to heat oil enough to seperate, example gasoline from it.. That takes 6000 watts per gallon, look it up, its the truth, and yes I thought it was more effecient, guess not, and you do NOT get 1 gallon of gasoline per gallon of oil, more like 35 to 45 % oil sands are up to 60% But you look at electrolysis, 100% of the water will split into hho, I get 1.5 litres PER MINUTE of HHO at 48volt at 2 amps, 96 watts so 241 watts per gallon

[rstevewarmorycom]

@Me102288 6000 Watts per gallon is nonsense, a Watt is NOT

a unit of energy, but of the rate of energy delivery. "Watts per

gallon" is a meaningless nonsense term. Second, you're confused.

No one was discussing petroleum here, merely hydrogen burning.

And 1.5 Liters/min? That's not enough to do more than go "pop"

ONCE!. It's certainly not enough to have any significant effect on

a car's mileage. And whatever you DO get, you've first stolen it

from your engine's power by loading the alternator.

[Me102288]

@rstevewarmorycom your right, its the measure of units of energy. then again I'd think most know that.

Now go look up how much energy is required to REFINE 1 gallon of gasoline from oil and you'll see I indeed was right because I looked it up. Unless of coarse you dont think there's an eqaution to calctulate the BTU is took to run the flame to refine it.. If you wish to they're on wikipedia. Can find the effeciency of Electrolysis and crude oil refining to.

[rstevewarmorycom]

@Me102288 None of that petroleum stuff is relevent here. We're

talking about gasoline, a pretty well-understood substance, and

hydrogen, another such substance. Electrolysis produces some

heat, so it is not 100% efficient. Only the work done to the hydrogen

gets incorporated in the form of an amount of hydrogen. But the

amount of electricity and hydrogen we're talking about from your

device is WAAAAAY to small to have any significant effect on

mileage.

[Me102288]

@rstevewarmorycom ooh .. you just realized I'll tellibng the truth, its takes 25x LESS energy to split water then to refine gasoline..

yes it heats up.. but its already 25x less heat then used to refine fuel. lol you dont get it do you.. why are fleets of tranport trucks equiping these generaters... to lose money so they can go broke faster... ya that must be it...

I have no Idea why you'd think it doesnt work.. at its very basics, adding an accelerent to fuel = you require less fuel

[rstevewarmorycom]

@Me102288 You desperately need an education in physics.

You're blathering nonsense, you don't even do the calculation

correctly. And no, no fleets are installing these. If they did they

would go out of business from the cost with no return.

[rstevewarmorycom]

@Me102288 Not ONLY that, but the load on your alternator also

loads and slows the engine, stealing energy from it to make the

electricity to electrolyze hydrogen. That's like trying to lift yourself

into the air by your belt, don't work. So you can't get back more than

you used and furthermore you can't even do THAT well, because

of heat losses. Changing one form of energy into another is ALWAYS

a lossy proposition, it can't happen WITHOUT loss. That's the 2nd

law of thermodynamics.

[Me102288]

@rstevewarmorycom true, a lot less then a standard alternater but yes there's always some. then again it can already turn the standard one fine, what would be the problem with turning a slightly easier to turn alternator..

quick question have you ever built or modified engines? ran them on any other fuel beside pump gas?

I build big blocks over 400 cubic inch.. if you honestly think an engine thats pushing over 1000 pounds of torque cant turn an alternator? your right it can spin 4 lol

[rstevewarmorycom]

@Me102288 You really don't understand physics, it must all seem

like merely opinion to you, you don't grasp a thing about science.

You seem singularly unaware of the truth of even the most basic

mathematics. It's like somebody told you not to step in front of

a bus, and you asked if a semi would be alright.

[Me102288]

@rstevewarmorycom ya I do, but physics go out the window when you see (and feel) a hydrogen explosion..

funny how a hydrogen explosion didnt burn me, yet Ive been burnt in gas fires before.. yes gas FIRE not explotion, gasoline isn't explosive its flammable.. Have you ever handled hydrogen? had a bit explode near your skin? you feel pressure but barely any heat. Perhaps then you'd understand you need to start thinking more on the line's of the Atomic nature of hydrogen.

[rstevewarmorycom]

@Me102288 Yep, hydrogen at standard temperature and

pressure has an extremely low caloric content, which is why

a non-highly-pressurized system like the ones in question

cannot have any significant effect on mileage. Not enough

calories. It would take POUNDS of hydrogen to make a difference.

And remember, a mole of hydrogen, 2 GRAMS, takes up

22.4 Liters!! That's less than a 200th of a pound. The tank

for the amount of hydrogen required would be ten times the

size of the car!

[Me102288]

@rstevewarmorycom wow good thing we dont measure explotions with calories.

Hope you find out why we measure explosions by the foot pound scale when drag racer deal with fuel to air ratios, it all boils down to how much horsepower the engine acheives on the fuel.

Cant find my ratio chart, but I figure 140 octane Hydrogen would be in with the Top Fuel or nitromethanol class..

like I said before, you have to handle it to realize just how many times more powerfull it is then science explains

[rstevewarmorycom]

@Me102288 Well, chemists do! And sure, hydrogen would work

great, IN LIQUID FORM!! At standard temp and pressure it would

take several tank trucks full to get you the quarter mile! You see,

2 grams of hydrogen takes up 22.4 Liters of space. To have enough

would take LOTS of space, and you'd look stupid dragging a balloon

200 feet long behind your dragster. The Saturn V moon rocket ran

on Hydrogen for its second stage, LIQUID hydrogen.

[dick117]

@rstevewarmorycom Save your energy dude. You've fed that troll for long enough. And if Me102288 isn't a troll then he's beyond help. According to these idiots, the laws of thermodynamics are just a ruse put in place by opec and standard oil. They probably think gravity is a conspiracy put in place by the airline industry.

[rstevewarmorycom]

@dick117 Well, somebody has to protect all these ninnies from being

taken by these swindlers, and someone with a degree in physics is

just the guy. If I really believed that these morons were beyond help

I might join the republicans and try to get rich off them myself, because

then I'd figure, what the hell, they're going to get eaten anyway.

[koncertLive]

@rstevewarmorycom Can I step in front of an HHO Bus they use for mass transit in California?

[rstevewarmorycom]

@koncertLive It's H2, not "HHO". HHO is nothing

but nascent hydrogen and oxygen produced by both

sides of an electrolyser mixed, it can be used to make

a hydrogen torch, but you can't make enough of it in

a mason jar to make a difference to your car's mileage.

[rstevewarmorycom]

@koncertLive UC Davis had a hydrogen bus for a while, it used a

Manganese Matrix to store the hydrogen as a hydride

at low pressure, and the vessel had to be heated a little

to drive the hydrogen back out, and then to fill it you had

to chill it, swapped tanks with a forklift, big pain in ass.

[paladain55]

@Me102288 actually no, that is not how it works. how you are stating goes against physics and says its over 100% efficient. What it does is increases the flame speed of the combustion and helps it burn entirely since normal gasoline engines are only about 20 to 25% efficient and it does that by injecting pure oxygen and hydrogen directly into the air intake. Gasoline by itself in liquid form is not flammable and it has to be oxidized for it to be flammable, and the kit helps it happen

[6630mcdo]

@noimw Then aren't hydrogen cars scams from Ford??????

[Me102288]

@6630mcdo dunno, theres one from BMW called the hydrogen 7 (that actually runs on hydrogen)

[MrRuzo214]

@noimw The alternator produces more electricity that the engine needs and that's where you get the electricity from to power the hho generator. Try it and decide for yourselves.

[rstevewarmorycom]

@MrRuzo214 Do you even know how an automotive

charging system works? The alternator is turned on

when the battery voltage drops. It uses only the extra

gas it needs. If you run more electrical stuff it runs the

alternator more often and uses your gasoline to make

the additional current. If you make hydrogen with it that

has the energy that came from your gasoline, it robs

your car of mileage and then gives some of it back, a

net LOSS!!

[DreamPharaoh]

At 14 years old I created this concept - my science teacher laughed at me (and rightfully so because there were no gas price issues at that time) and so the science project was never submitted. Please correct me if I am wrong, but is this another "I-am-a-christian-so-I-do-not-­give-a-fuck-about-the-earth-ar­ound-me-video?" Or a redneck-nigger-republican-vide­o?